HONDA Motorcycle RECALL? | RIGHT CRANKCASE Defect | HONDA INNOVA GARAGE | ANF125 | WAVE | 2010
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2020
- HONDA Motorcycle RECALL That NEVER Announced?
My engine failed after only 39,000km due to manufacturing process fatal failure at the right crankcase.
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Hi, Great Video! Is the 2013 model be affected as well? Do you recommend to do the fixup before the destruction take place?
Hi, and thank you so much for your blessings. Apparently, there are currently insufficient data on the extent of the motorcycles that damaged, the Honda manufacturer denies it. Apparently, to my estimations, in a particular year model, 2010 probably sure, maybe a year before, there was a severe malfunction in Crankcase production
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Apparently there are significant number of the motorcycles that suffered from the malfunction developed and total engine failure around 40,000 km. Probably not all were severely damaged, but according to the reports from the field I receive, apparently there are a very large amount of engines destroyed due to this defective crankcase at very low mileage. The manufacturer denies, but relatively early on, the manufacturer apparently
stopped production of the ANF series? I'm apparently talking about the ANF series. That fault
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it means a complete total loss of the motorcycle, because it is not worth paying for a repair that costs more than the value of the scooter. I repaired it myself because it's a hobby for me.
The manufacturer would had to admit the malfunction and compensate the affected customers, but the manufacturer denies. Shame Shame Shame!
Honda sold thousands of Innovas here in Greece both the carburetor model from 2003 to 2007 and from 2007 to 2012 the PGM-FI model. They are not bad bikes but they don't have the same reliability as the previous Honda Astrea Grand/Supra 100cc models. These 100cc bikes were literally beasts when it came to reliability. The Innova series is notorious for the crank and piston rod problems they had. The new Supra-X 125 is said to have this problem fixed though.
Honda made a small mistake with the Innova engine...they used a big stroke (57.8mm) and a gearbox with long speeds. This made the Innova a little slower when it comes to acceleration but had better torque at low RPM range and better fuel economy, compared to other 125cc bikes (like the Suzuki Address 125).
Now the problem is that, when for example you are on the 3rd gear, you have a passenger with you too, the speedo is at about 65km/h and you open the throttle the engine finds it difficult to push all this weight due to the stroke being big and the gearbox long. This results in the bearings of the crank and the rod being damaged after for about 25.000 or 30.000 km.
One common "lifehack" some people do here is to replace the front sprocket with a smaller one so the engine doesn't have a tough time to push the motorbike.
That is exaclty what i said in another comment i am Greek and an owner also ... More problems the model has that what you describe but ok ..
Honda underbones in our Country crashed in sales and people did not trust honda thats why people turned to the yamaha T135 LC also the yamaha crypton 110 sells like crazy while the astrea grand 110 barely scratches the yamaha in sales it has exactly to do with the innova being bad making honda look bad and with the Crypton X making yamaha look better ...
Hi, thank you very much for sharing, and for the detail, thank you very much!
In my opinion, a matter of reasonableness, there is a connection of silence between garages and the Honda firm.
What you say happened to Innova in Greece is the same as what I was told happened to the "WAVE" models in the East. According to your reports the engine was destroyed around 40,000 km. You offer a number of reasons, and I do not rule out any of them, just claim that the source is the same source: aluminum chips that ground in the engine!!! At my engine they destroyed only the bearings, and at your engines they destroyed more things. Because grinding an aluminum chip causes load and heating, and if the engine is under load (because there is a long climbing road, or because "passenger with you", perhaps an entire family) then the heat and disturbance to the oil flow causes the other damages mentioned here.
I did not overload my engine with climbing road etc, so I did not suffer indirect damage as a result of overheating.
The question being asked is: Are there other mechanic amateurs like me that opened the crankcase and found the problem I found?
?
5:46
Because this is, in my opinion, the problem that is causing the same "decrease in reliability" in this particular model, and in this particular production series.
And it is possible to be more specific: Did you also have aluminum chips in the strainer
?
1:07?
it has happended to me but in a form of powder alumunium powder and minor chipping it didnt destroy any bearings but we had to clean with my mechanic all the oil circulation system and oil pump and change oil many times till the chips had fallen of and powder removed with many oil changes he scrapped all the aluminium coating especially the one you showed and he left onl the steel underneath it thus saving the bike because he grinded all the aluminium casting that wherw about to fall of thus SAVING the bime that now has made it to 100k km
@@paminta143
Start your check here: Did you also have aluminum chips in the strainer
?
1:07
But even that is not what will help you, as it did not help to me. You do not open the BIG opening of the engine just to check an engine that is currently running properly. I guess in some cases, on other motorcycles from the same faulty series, the aluminum disintegration was stopped before significant damage was done, and then there is no reason to open the engine.
Great video, thanks. My 2011 carburetor model now on 55 000 kilometers and stil on the original battery, chain and sprockets. I haven't touched the carburetor yet and replaced the spark plug once. Original air cleaner stil like new. No oil consumption with great fuel consumption and reliability is tops. Haven't seen the inside of a workshop, all maintenance I performed myself with the help of your videos and Hayes Workshop manual.
Hi. My Dear friend. Thanks for sharing, I am glad to hear that you have a good experience from the motorcycle, I also enjoy it very very much.
It is possible that you did not strain the engine at all? and perhaps the aluminum has finished being shredded, and currently without causing damage that can be seen? And maybe in 2011 the crankcase from the defective series ran out, and you have a crankcase from a normal crankcase production series?
The main question is:
Did you also have aluminum chips in the strainer
?
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I opened the engine for the first time to check the oil strainer on 50 000 kilometers and there were just a tiny bit of clutch material caught in the strainer. Yes from day one my goal was to drive in such a way as to get an average of 60 kilometers to the liter fuel consumption, I'm on 62 kilometers per liter average for the 55 000 kilometers covered. I also used fully synthetic Castrol motorcycle oil for the greatest part of the 55k. I traveled up to 530 kilometers in one day and most of the 55k is open road kilometers
@@peetjvdm
Hi, if your strainer was free of aluminum chips it is a sign that your engine does not suffer from a defective crankcase with the type of defect I described. CUB is a bulletproof motorcycle. The type of oil is not the one involved in the defect I found.
Interesting!
If I ever strip my Innova engine down I will look for this problem.
Thank you from the UK
Hello & Thank you very much
I tend to believe that this is a large series of defective INNOVA motorcycles? which the manufacturer did not collect for repair? alternatively, did not offer customers monetary compensation? In my case the manufacturer did not take responsibility for the serious defect in the manufacture. If I understood correctly the WAVE series marketed in the East suffered from an engine collapse at low mileage, when it was not clear why, And maybe that's the reason I found? Or Maybe I misunderstood! ?The manufacturer denies that there is, or has been a problem, in my opinion, is not suitable for Honda, it is very strange.
It is noted here in Greece that the innova was a wreck at low mileage for a variety of reasons i made in other comments 40k units sold to my country i am also an owner and i am dissatisfied by it along with many people who own it it had connecting rod issues , faulty cam tensioners, bad oil pump and bad costume
also bad shock absorbers in the front led to broken headlights and plastics at the front headlights ...
also if you run it many miles continuently with iut stop it would burn the copper coil electricity producer leaving only the battery to feed electricity to the bike after a while it would shut down due to no electricity
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling poor casting I would guess
@@ArcturanMegadonkey
The problem is not with the alloy, the problem is with the machine that connects the metal ring (the bearing housing), to the casting of the aluminum. The connection is also a type of injection molding. And the filler, the solder, which is also aluminum, this material slipped and formed an aluminum-sheet that Can not resist vibrations
(see illustration at)
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and
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and therefore crumbled into the engine.
A factory worker was supposed to grinding the aluminum-sheet("foil"), and instead he moved the defective part for further assembly. This is a serious malfunction. The factory sold new engines with a fundamental defect from the production, such engines had no chance of living a normal lifespan. To sell a new product when there is a defect from the factory, to demand for it the full price of a new, it is also immoral and unfair. That's not how reputable businesses work. And if it happened, it can happen even to the best business, so please take responsibility and give a compensation. Honda Japan denies. Shame Shame Shame.
Sorry for many comments ..
My mechanic because i have the 2007 injection model is a general and not a honda mechanic we noticed the problem in 1:07 chips way smaller and aluminium powder in the oil the mechanic cleaned all the oil circulation and oil pump (that failed and was changed soon after)
he went in to grind all the aluminium coating with a tiny grinder he grinded the aluminium coating and especially the one part you showed leaving only the steel underneath it he saved the bike that now has 100k kilometers so yes i have faced the problem
Mechanic said that the aluminum coating on the crankcase is there to make the oil drop down faster because of the smooth surface to be collected faster and circulated again ...
I have a carb version 2004 U.K. model Honda Innova ,still running like a Swiss watch. Only failure was speed sensor at around 15 ,000 miles ,replaced .only other expense is normal wear & tear service items ,plus fuel & oil . Bike is now over 18 years old . If they are ridden hard at higher speeds for long distances without stopping to rest & cool engine ,they can suffer from main bearings spinning in the crack case . This is due to the small capacity of oil ,or incorrect fuel getting too thin ,especially in hot climates of Europe & places like Israel . The bikes don’t give trouble if ridden a more moderate speeds such as 50 mph (. 80 kph ) & rested every 20 to 30 miles for coffee or cigarette break . Some riders overload these little bikes & expect to ride them flat out ,for hundreds of miles ( or Kilometres ) without resting the little 125cc 9•3 Hp engines ,& then wonder why the main bearings or big ends fail . I am not saying that has happened in your case ,as it is possible for even Honda’s to have the odd issue or faulty batch of components slip through factory quality control .
Hey. And thanks for the detailed response. My engine collapsed due to a manufacturing defect.
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There is no problem to ride it non-stop at all. On my long rides I break down long before my Innova. So once every half hour I take a break, and then I don't get tired, and my back and ass don't hurt.
When I'm riding for long distance I try to drive 70-80 km/h.
Once I got to ride at noon on a particularly hot day, on my way to Jerusalem: Riding uphill in 2nd gear, at a speed of about 40 km/h, therefore relatively also at high rpm with a weak headwind because the speed is slow.
It was very easy to feel when the engine needs a rest, you feel that the power decreases.
Anyone who adds gas at this stage to compensate the less power destroys the engine! What needs to be done is to reduce the load, rev down the gas, and even if necessary pull over and let the engine cool down.
So I stood aside in a shady place, took a break for fifteen minutes, maybe half an hour, it was really hot.
It's an air-cooled engine, so in hot weather the rider must be careful when applying the power, and must reduce load, and reduce speed. This is true for any air cooled engine.
What's so fun about the Innova engine is that it's a small engine, so it has fewer screws, and the weight is light so you don't need levers for it. The parts are available, and also very cheap. I didn't plan to open an engine at 40K km, but if there is an engine that is easy to repair, it is this engine.
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling If you go on a see a few of the old forums ,there is cases of riders suffering with main bearing spinning in the crankcase . This is due to some riders ,riding them flat out ,for long distances without resting the engine sufficiently . As you are a careful rider ,& service your bike regular ,it’s obviously a bad batch of bearings on your model . As these bikes are so economical & cheap on fuel a lot of riders tend to expect them to perform beyond their limitations . Once the main bearing spins in the crankcase journal ,causing them to wear oval ,they are usually only fit for scrap . This has been reported even on well cared for Innova’s at mileages above 30 ,000 miles . The good thing about these little step thru bikes ,is the engines can be rebuilt inexpensively on a coffee table ,with improvised tools .
@@maskedavenger2578
" This has been reported even on well cared for Innova’s at mileages above 30 ,000 miles"
Look, there is something very strange about the design of Innova/Wave engine. The cooling fins of the engine head could be longer.
In my opinion, our particular engine is more sensitive to the issue of overheating. Maybe they built it for countries where the weather is cooler? What I do know is that you are right, Innova owners claim that the engine (regardless of the type of problem I had), does not reach respectable miles.
So maybe this is the defect I found, maybe it's the short cooling fins, but surely there is something that is beyond users who assume that the engine can be abused without paying the price of destroying the engine.
Our engine requires a more gentle treatment compared to other Cub engines. That's how I understand it.
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling The Innova is also known as the Wave in the Far East & also sold in 100cc 110cc & 125 variants the new Honda 125 cub & CT 125 trail bike variant . The 100 cc Wave has the same styling as the Innova / wave but with 100cc version of Honda c 90 cub . I have noticed the 125 wave / Innova’s built for country’s such as Thailand 'have different jets in carburettors for less top speed & economy . I found this out when ordering a spare carburettor kit for my 2004 Innova . It arrived with 125 wave stamped on package . This had led me to believe that the later injected waves for Far Eastern markets were also fuelled for less top speed & more economy . The Innova name being for European & Israeli markets with higher top end & slightly less fuel economy .I myself tend to ride my 2004 carbed Innova at speeds up to 50 mph ( 80 kph ) with the occasional burst up to about 60 mph ( 100 kph ) . I change the oil to the correct grade & clean the centrifugal oil filter & screen as per service schedule & also check valves . The only sign of engine wear ,is a bit of centrifugal clutch rattle of clutch shoes at idle ,which is common on centrifugal clutches on cub type motorcycles & auto twist & go scooters . The only reason I could see for poor air cooling is that the Innova & wave leg shields & fairing plus extra Euro spec gubbins surrounding the engine ,could be restricting the air flow more than the old type classic Honda cubs had to endure .. Also in Thailand & the Far East ,there are thousands of parts both Honda & after market for these bikes & even 16 year old girls ,can strip these cub type bikes down & fit & balance a crank virtually blindfolded for a few dollars . I would usually reckon on at least a top end overhaul at around 30,000 miles & full engine overhaul at 40- 50, 000 well serviced & looked after miles on a 125 cc or Cub type motorcycle . If the bike is to be a long term keeper .👍
Yes I think they should recall it. I think it's a flimsy, defective, shoddy construction. I feel contempt towards the Honda company.
Hello everybody.
let's recover this topic.
According to the information I got, there are two types of engine in the Innova 125i. The engine whose numbering starts with JC37E-5000001 which was from 2007 to 2009, and the JC37E-2100001 engine which was from 2010 to 2012. The problems of aluminum splinters that destroy the crankshaft bearings are in both types of engines or specifically in the engine from 2010 to 2012?
thanks for your answer.
I am describing at the video a private case, my case, but from testimonies that have come to me, and claims that written here by other commenters, a different picture emerges: I am not the only one whose engine fails at low mileage for mysterious reasons.
Also statistically, the nature of the fault, a fault in a component that is in the production of a machine, serial production of aluminum castings, such a nature of a fault does not make sense that I am a single case.
Honda never took responsibility for the incident, and never acknowledged the problem.
But in the lawsuit I filed against the local Honda agency I was awarded a nice monetary compensation. The trial took place in 2020, when it was clear that the warranty was no longer valid, and my claims were about manufacturing negligence, already that in 2010 I received a motorcycle with fundamental and substantial damage, etc
Regarding the model. My Innova is from 2010. Engine number starts with 210****.
Langsung subribe
From what i understand and know ( i am an owner too of the model) the alluminium alloy used for the coating of the engine due to heat and holes in the ground was at first cracked and then chunks slipped of in the bearing damaging it ... this problem at only 39k miles is extremly shameful for a honda underbone famed for quality and its now an isolated case of a defect at the material i have seen it in dozens of innova bikes in my country too i have the 2007 model
however i have seen this problem at later miles over 50k the most usual is the chain tensioner which is changed to a manual one and a connecting rod failure due to large gear the innova uses 15/35 here in Greece we change it to 14/35 because of this problem however more problems have seen at this model i can discuss it with you to tell me your view about the problem shown in the video and overall for the model
we love you man many people have seen your videos in Greece the chain tensioner is the peoples favorite because its easy and it fixes the most common problem this model has the chain tensioner issue!
Hi.
I really appreciate what you write, thank you very much.
The 14/35 ratio is the normal ratio, unlike what you write, I do not know any other reliability problem in my Innova.
I do not know a problem with the chain tensioner, and it is possible that the problems you describe are related to the aluminum petitons circulating in the engine. For me, the aluminum chips only hit the bearings. It is possible that they will cause significant damage to other components as well, at my Innova that didn't happen.
To the best of my knowledge the marketing of underbone has stopped in the Western world, not because of credibility issues, but because the West is willing to pay more to get more. The underbone motorcycles have air-cooled engines, they are relatively low power.
If you can contact people who will upload pictures of the crankcase to the cloud, with a problem similar to the problem I foundand
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, if they can give us the links to those pictures, it will be very interesting. Talking and arguing without evidence is nice, but does not really add to the discussion. thank you very much.
unfortunetly i havent got any pictures but trust me as you can see there is another comment from another Greek who say exactly what i say with the connecting rod issue and others he also says that thousands were sold here ... Trust me i know what i am saying i just couldnt prove it as you requested me im sorry
@@perisorfanos1400
OK. You have my video as proof, the question is if you could also see aluminum chips in your strainer? if so, you probably also have a defective crankcase, do you saw an aluminum chips in your strainer?
look here
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Do you?
@@perisorfanos1400
My friend I apologize, I did not mean to doubt your honesty. I also try to be careful and accurate not to hurt Honda beyond what they have already been hurt. In my opinion this is a classic case that obliges Honda Japan to take responsibility, declare the problem "Recall", and give monetary compensation (because this repair is very expensive and not worthwhile, a lot of work time).The Honda manufacturer denies and this is a very big shame for them !!!
yes i have seen in my bike aluminium chips in the strainer my mechanic told me who is a general mechanic that fixes bikes and has no relation with honda that aluminium chips had fallen of due to pot holes that the bike hitted when travelling made cracks in the aluminium ... in fact all my crank case is like this with deep white cuts but the chipping was minor ...
he cleaned all the oil passages and oil circulation system because aluminium powder not exactly chips had contaminated it
Beyond that the chipping had occured in many innova bikes
Hello Tamir. I'm in Portugal and I also own a 2009 Honda Innova 125i. My Innova has now covered 26,000 km. I have always used Motul 7100 synthetic oil. I like to travel long distances here in my country, sometimes 300 km's in a day with the bike loaded with camping equipment. I never go over 80 km/h speed, most of the time I roll at 70 km/h. As you probably know, here in Portugal, in summer, temperatures often exceed 40ºC. So I'm very apprehensive that your movie here on youtube. I love my Innova as it is extremely easy to drive, very light and with very low fuel consumption. The question I ask you is: after the repair you made to the engine, was it reliable? Thanks for the answer.
Hello Luis from Portugal, and thanks for all the nice words. The malfunction described in that video is typical in my opinion of a faulty series that came out in 2010. You use quality oil and that is of course very good. The repair I made was done according to the book, and I am confident that it will hold for a very long time, as if the engine came out of the Honda factory. The motorcycle is built simple, so it was also relatively easy to replace all the engine bearings, this is part of its charm. The treatments are very simple, it is no problem to get spare parts, which are in themselves relatively cheap, even the working time is short, DIY on CUBS it is fun and enjoyable.
By the way reliability, even for the repair of the bearings replacement I went in to it like it was planned, I had enough time to get organized on it. For 11 years it never came out that I got stuck on the road, I wish it just go on like this forever.
Enjoy your travels, and ride carefully and safely. Tamir.
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling thank you Tamir for your prompt reply. I will continue to enjoy km's with my Innova. Next year, I will travel around my country, Portugal, along its entire border in approximately 2000 km in 20 days.
Tamir, I forgot to thank you for the fabulous videos you put here on youtube. Nobody in the world puts videos on youtube about motorcycle maintenance like you. What you do is public service. thanks.
@@luiscosta5988
Thanks again to my friend Luis from Portugal. My channel is unique, not exclusive, there are far better ones than me with productions at the level of a professional studio, both in the lighting lamps and in the quality and quantity of the cameras. And yes, I do what I do because I have fun, a hobby, and of course the interest of the fans and those who enjoy my materials, it's a great pleasure.
The Honda Innova-Cub is without a doubt the number one motorcycle in the world, second to none. In the city it is particularly noticeable, but even when coming with him on trips, the return exceeds the investment on several levels, like being said: Size Does Not Matter.
ua-cam.com/video/QcWMCoP__Lc/v-deo.html
Your bike is running good as you are riding it sensibly & having mechanical empathy ,by realising it’s only a small engine & not built for constant top speeds for long distances ,especially in hot climates . My 125 cc U.K. carb (20O4 ) model is 18 years old & still runs like a Swiss watch ,only faulty speed sensor replaced about 15 ,000 miles a few years ago . I run my Innova on Rock oil or Motul 10 / 30 oil & change every 1,000 miles ( 1,600 km’s ) . I never ride it more than 30 miles without allowing the engine to rest & cool ,or at full throttle for more than a mile or two on odd occasions .
Honda innova Replace camshaft bearings video?
Hi, have not yet created such a video, try these two:
ua-cam.com/video/K6QcCGBgcEE/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/WzLBDsCVNSw/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/H2REQEB7tK8/v-deo.html
I want remove bearings from camshaft
@@fayze2130
It is possible. But you will have to do it alone (I have never seen a movie like this on UA-cam). Read the bearing data from the existing bearings. Order a new bearings. You will need a suitable tool to extractor the bearings. The new ones should be inserted with pressure only on the inner ring.
In motorcycle spare parts stores you will find for sale only the full set. The original Honda part(O.E.M) is relatively expensive.
For an aftermarket part, for a full set, see here:
www.aliexpress.com/item/32906425045.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4dQMz0l4
For a closer look at the part you can watch this video:
ua-cam.com/video/UoOnjzCFeqg/v-deo.html
Just please, to be clear, I share the knowledge, your decisions you make are on your sole responsibility. Thank you very much.
I now have a chance to measure them.
Open deep groove ball bearings
61905 D=42 d-=25 B=9
61902 D=28 d-=15 B=7
Thats sound exactly the same as my neighbour bike. His bike is around 2017 or 2020 i dont remember exactly. He use his bike for online taxi or ojek online in indonesia here. So the bike cover lot of distance in one day and heat soak in the jammed traffic and very hard to start in the morning. While mine from 2006 don't have that noise although i have some noise that i'm still figuring out where it comes. Shame honda for their poor quality of their newer model!
Hi sir, hello Indonesia.
All major patents are now expired, today everyone is copying everyone else, and brand value is declining.
The principles of quality engineering of the past, are the same principles, but all manufacturers try to lower costs, to compete for customers. In my understanding, this is a revolution led by the Chinese, the Chinese are experts in the cheapest and best quality relative to the money. Today all brands have aligned with the principle of "good value for money".
Isn't it?
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling @MyINNOVAMotorcycling yes the quality lowered severely until recently, honda has launch their new chassis called esaf in their 110cc called honda beat and vario 160 scooter. Lot of in the internet found the chassis will split in half. We Indonesians tired with this and jokes this as a special feature from honda as their scooter is foldable 😂.
Thanks for your helpful video i hope i can rebuild my 150.000 km old bike so i can keep stay away from brand new bike for their reliability issue.
@@adnanmizfary654
Everything has advantages and disadvantages. Of course you can buy premium 125 motorcycles and pay more. If you pay less then you get less. All brands are like that. If you repair an engine yourself, it also does not guarantee a more reliable engine than the one built at the factory. Faults are a static matter. It guarantees enjoyment and satisfaction if you like DIY. It's a nice hobby.
What model Is ur motorcycle??
Honda INNOVA 125i Model 2010
Engine Typ: JC37E
My honda supra x helmin 125 they have the exactly same symptoms. I have only 16.000 kilometers. From the first time I found aluminum pieces. Very sadly. Greetings from Greece
Hello Dimis from Greece!
If you are under warranty, make good use of it.
If you do not hear the chirping of grasshoppers from your bearings
4:50,
and it is a stable condition, try to switch to full synthetic motorcycle oil, maybe your engine will handle nicely the role of aluminum shredder, alternatively, with quality oil there is a chance it will take a long time until you engine develop a total failure in his bearings.
If you are under warranty, make good use of it.
I buy it November 2016 and don't have any warranty. The local Honda technician says "don't worry, it's normal " ! Very sadly and I think I'm very stupid buyer. Sorry, my English is very poor. Hey I have a idea: in my city I have one river! What you say? To drop it in the river and buy a bicycle? 😜
I hear many metallical sounds, especially in the hot summer days, many! Avoid to make kilometers when the temperature is over 35 degrees Celsius because the sound of motor it's very loud. I use Castrol lubricant 10 50 to lower sounds. Very good oil but the creepy sounds is still excist. Especially with second passenger, especially to make kilometers outside of my city. When the temperature is 20 to 30 degrees everything is working well. Mysterious machine 😜😜😜😜
@@dimisdnc710
The local Honda technician says "don't worry, it's normal"
BUT No, that's not normal!
They told me also a various excuses, and not so respectable ones.
It did not change my relationship to Honda brand, I like it a lot, And recently I bought an Honda CBR250RD model 2013. Other manufacturers in similar situations unfortunately do not behave differently. This is the facts of life, I continue to receive service from them even today, a very professional staff and a very kind attitude
in my case, I went to court with them and they at least paid me the expenses of the parts I replaced for the repair 9:20. In court sometimes you successful sometimes you fail, and sometimes something in between (as in my case).
If your bearings have not yet started to make noise like grasshoppers, try to go up in the quality of the oil, and hope for the best.
@@dimisdnc710
You claim:
"When the temperature is 20 to 30 degrees everything is working well".
This is an air-cooled engine, obviously on very hot days it should not be overloaded, maybe your problem is that you strain it too much it Hot Day?
I do not know what that means "Castrol lubricant 10 50"?
You must have oil written on it specially for motorcycles.
And I also recommended that you switch to full synthetic oil.
Maybe the suspicious damage at this point is reversible?
agood machine shop should be able to pin housing in 2 places with pins thats what we did in aviation gearboxes
sorry I did not understand
@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling we removed liner machined case to take a new one precision fit and drilled and pinned new one has to be sligtly bigger than standard ami
@@martingarland9217
Honda knows very well how to make the crankcase, the left crankcase is perfectly good. look at:
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@@MyINNOVAMotorcycling i worked in aircraft aviation and they were proper engines not toys
@@martingarland9217
Mr. Honda, the "first lord," he was an aeronautical engineer, and no doubt he was a genius engineer. I admirer his way. The genius CUB that Mr. Honda designed and produced is the "father" of the Honda-firm and it paved the way for many successful years ahead. Mr. Honda would have been ashamed if he had heard that a malfunction of the kind that had happened to me was denied. The Japanese have a long of Good and Great reputation in the years, a reputation of honor, I admire them as a nation. I do not know what happened here, it is certainly not in the opinion of a senior manager at Honda. A very strange story. It's embarrassing for me too.
innova here in Greece i am an owner of it i had this bike since 65k km and now is 99k i havent expirienced it since i am the 3rd owner however innova as a model is one of the worst here in the market and it damaged the reputation of the honda company in the underbone category i have faced numerous problems my self ... its a low quality bike with bad market reputation especially with those who wotk on it as delivery guys ...
My view is that it one of the worst underbones produced by honda ... problems i have faced ...
faulty cam chain tensioner, 1 missing tooth from a gear which moves the cam chain was broken
1 fautly oil pump it was so weak it nearly destroyed the bike ... 1 set of valves needed change because they where worn out... 1 producer of electricity you know the copper coil electricity producing thing ...
and of course bad costume for the bike rattling platsics broken on the head light
To get set of perspective this bike i own and you own has these problems 39k km yours while all the yamaha T135 LC has had an outstanding performance compared to the innova many bikes made 200k and 300k kms befire they were worn out
as for your problem it has to do with the low manifucturing quality and aluminium alloys being so low quality yet the bikes original price was high ... its because honda wants more profits cutting from quality costs
this thing you filmed is just a shame for such a company
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience. Thank you.
I with the original chain, original gears, original clutch pads, No problem with the oil pump. So beyond the DISASTER in the CRANKCASE, I did not experience unreliability. During the 10 years of owner's, and during 43,000Km, I did not get stuck with My Innova on the road.
What happened with the CRANKCASE is indeed a great shame to the Honda manufacturer.
here in Greece its a very popular model 40k units of the innova where sold so we know and we have tested it is faulty ... Compared to earlier honda underbones as the c50 , honda 100cc , (2000s model) the innova is a downgrade as a quality yamaha bikes are valued better in the underbone categories being the most reliable and with the least problems ...
To get a scale of how many people where dissasfied with the model after it the sales of honda bikes in the underbone category crashed ... A lot of it had to do with competition and better models imported such as the T135 LC yamaha various chinese ones that proved that they worth their money and from Sym scooters ...
yamaha is good but expesnive in underbones honda is expensive and people dont trust the company in underbones any more (big bikes sell a lot)
the most valued i this category as a company is Sym proving reliable and value for money
for 10 years is has surpassed honda and yamaha is sales in small bikes but not in the larger ones but they are getting close to defeating them in every category
Hi. I point to a specific problem, and you write in general. If significant quantities of Innova were purchased in Greece, do you know of a particular type of problem that I describe at
5:46.
Otherwise your posts are ostensibly dragged into marketing competition between competing firms, and do not help in understanding the dimensions of the real problem. Try asking and checking if there was anyone in your area who opened the crankcase in Innova and found the problem I describe in the video at
5:46
The aluminum alloy in the Innova engine is high quality, the problem is not related to the aluminum alloy. Thank you very much.
Yes i know that problem exists in many bikes but i cant prove it with photos there are videos of mechanics who say what i say for the innova but they are in Greek and need translation
@@perisorfanos1400
My dear friend, it is agreed that there is a problem with the Innova, the big question is what is the source of the problem. Look, this is what I wrote today to another respondent from Greece, please read:
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What you say happened to Innova in Greece is the same as what I was told happened to the "WAVE" models in the East. According to your reports the engine was destroyed around 40,000 km. You offer a number of reasons, and I do not rule out any of them, just claim that the source is the same source:
An Aluminum chips that ground in the engine!!!!!!!
At my engine they destroyed only the bearings, and at your engines they destroyed more things. Because grinding an aluminum chip causes load and heating, and if the engine is under load (because there is a long climbing road, or because "passenger with you", perhaps an entire family) then the heat and disturbance to the oil flow causes the other damages mentioned here.
I did not overload my engine with climbing road etc, so I did not suffer indirect damage as a result of overheating.
The question being asked is: Are there other mechanic amateurs like me that opened the crankcase and found the problem I found?
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5:46
Because this is, in my opinion, the problem that is causing the same "decrease in reliability" in this particular model, and in this particular production series.
And it is possible to be more specific: Did you also have aluminum chips in the strainer
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1: 07?
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טבעות מושב למסב נשפכות לתבנית בלחץ, הבהוב מותר היה צורך לנקות בעזרת מגרד בן שלוש כנופיות
כן, פועל היצור היה צריך לגרד או להשחיז את העודפים שגלשו, ולא להעביר את החלק להמשך הרכבה בלי טיפול מתאים בתקלה.
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@@alexkolyshkin1658
זה נכון שהיצור בתאילנד, אבל אין להתבלבל. הידע הפיקוח והחותמת היא של המפעל הראשי ביפן. בתנאי הפיקוח היפני על המפעל בתאילנד, למפעל בתאילנד יש את כל היכולת לייצר "הונדה" באיכות המקורית. קורה, גם אצל הטובים ביותר, שתקלה גוררת תקלה ויוצא משערי המפעל מוצר פגום. הבושה הגדולה היא לא במוצר הפגום, הבושה הגדולה כאן היא בהכחשה, הבושה היא בטיפול הלקוי מול הלקוחות. הונדה היו צריכים להודות בסדרה הפגומה ולפצות את הלקוחות בכסף. לפחות ככה מצופה מחברה מכובדת מאוד מאוד כמו הונדה. חברה שדגל האיכות הוא מאפיין בולט אצלה, וגם מתומחר ככה ללקוח. על קטנוע הונדה שילמתי יותר לעומת מותגים פחות איכותיים שעולים פחות. ככה לדעתי.