I am sure you’ve noticed that while I am not Roman Catholic, or Greek Orthodox (I am actually an Assemblies of God pastor in any of you were curious), I think it is incredibly important to understand the history of the church and how we ended up where we are as a movement. Sometimes as Protestants (and especially Pentecostals such as myself) we have a tendency to throw out the baby with the bath water out of fear of looking “Catholic” or “Orthodox.” I think many of us would be surprised as we study church history how many of their practices actually have roots dating back to only decades after the resurrection of Christ. My point here isn’t that I agree (I don’t) with all of their practices, however, I do believe in many ways, they have some things right and we have some things wrong. The only way to learn those things is through dialogue, study, and humility. I have been greatly enriched as a Christian, and even a Pentecostal Pastor through my relationship with Roman Catholics, and Greek Orthodox friends. Mutual respect goes a long way in learning and understanding. My channel is dedicated to pressing into hard issues, which is why you will find a vast array of bibles (some outright heresy like the Cepher, others on the fringe) with commentaries from theological standpoints I would disagree (The MacArthur Study Bible comes to mind.) but I want to learn. With all that said the Orthodox Study Bible is a fantastic addition to my library and I remain committed to reviewing material that press into difficult issues. Here are places you can purchase this bible: Amazon: (affiliate) amzn.to/3i3xgF0 SVS Press (currently out of stock, but a great place for Orthodox resources: svspress.com/the-orthodox-study-bible-leathersoft-cover/ Ancient Faith Store: store.ancientfaith.com/orthodox-study-bible-ancient-faith-edition
What version do you use for your church? I have some AOG background and strongly agree that we need to be somewhat learned in the church fathers as well…
It would be great if you did different types of reviews such as going through a few of the text of the actual bible and the commentary so that it can present to us a better informed idea of the bible we may be interested in.
Totally agree. I’m a Baptist raised as an Anglo-Catholic. Agree with you totally Tim. Church history belongs to us all. I love listening to sermons from the Oriental Orthodox (Coptic) Church. Their faith is wonderful and truly tested in the fires of persecution. The artwork in this Bible is beautiful. BTW. Just saw a video by an Old Testament scholar saying Goliath’s height was in fact 4 cubits and a span as this bible says. This is interesting if correct as he would not be 9 feet tall but just under 7 feet I think. Keep up the great work - love your videos. 😍🇦🇺🙏👍
Glory to Jesus Christ! Thank you for that succinct overview of this publication. And with such respect. I was raised Catholic & attended Catholic schools, but started attending a Protestant Church as a teenager. Then went on to a Evangelical College. Now I'm Orthodox. I was not a theology major, but have had Catechism, Bible (Old & New T), and theology classes, even youth min classes through an Orthodox seminary. The Ancient Fathers teaching have so much wisdom, and didn't mince words. They lived and spoke the teachings of Christ without fear. I love reading the footnotes now! And sometimes I sit with three different Bibles when preparing lessons! In the OSB (hardcover) the Psalms list the corresponding # for KJV.
I had a bonded leather one from Nelson, years ago, but from some odd reason I gave it away, wished I would have kept it. However, if someone is getting blessed by it, then it is worth it.
Nice review. Love your friendly and edifying approach with respect to other Christian churches. Just in case, Ancient Faith also offers a hardcover version which is also smyth-sewn and comes with one ribbon.
I have the Orthodox Study Bible. Unfortunately the paper is very thin, and there are weird print blotches on some pages. A rebind would only get you partially to the premium space.
As an orthodox Christian I struggle a being orthodox in my family while there Protestant, but to be honest your one of the few Protestant that I respect that is willing to be open minded and learn more of what they believe , I just subbed
Great Review, I'm from Brazil and this bible is not avaible in any place near me, so this video showing the bible on hands is really helpful. Thank you, keep the great work and God bless you.
Purchased this Bible a few weeks ago used for $65 with shipping. Amazing book and I love to use it when my New American Bible or Douay-Rhames are unclear this one is an amazing reference resource.
I don’t like how there’s not many orthodox bibles to choose from in the English language. I have the Thomas nelson one, but want to get the other one, which is a bit out of my price range at the moment, to read comfortably in my lap
R D - As a slight counterpoint to that, I am now a Baptist but raised Anglo-Catholic. We Baptists are most often in the Septuagint and not so much in the NT. 😂😅. I loved the focus amongst Catholics of the NT. We can all learn from each other, after all we’re all brethren in Christ.
@@sandracoombs2255 Very true Sandra, I really admire the way Protestants are such scholars in the bible and hope that more Catholics get to know the bible so well.
Really enjoy your reviews and channel, let me say thete should be more people line yourself. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Jewish, we all started in the same boat and we all believe in all the same things with a few differences, we should remember we are all Christians and believe in God and Jesus and not go against one another but help each other. Just a quick question is there a Catholic Study Bible with notes on a large print like 10 plus and in leather or leather soft? God Bless
Thanks for this video! I don't agree with everything this Bible has either, but I do agree with you on the fact that we all need to study and learn it all! I got this Bible for $46 trade in credit at my local book store and I can't wait to read it! Very interesting! Edit: But I have a question: in your opinion as a pastor, is this a practical and useful study Bible for evangelical protestants? I bought it to learn more about Christ and His history, but I'm already noticing plenty of changed/different verses in the old testament...for example: Proverbs 31 is slightly off by 1 verse and verse 20 in the OSB is completely changed. Is this normal?
I can't stand that thin paper it's so thin you can read the reverse of the page Either do it justice or not print at all I would gladly pay double for a proper print
It’s not Apocrypha, it’s called Deuterocanon. It was never called Apocrypha until 4 centuries later with Jerome, then later a few followers of Jerome, including the Protestants who followed Jerome in his thinking.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviewsWhen presenting the Orthodox Bible review, if you open it up, it’ll explain the proto-canon and deuterocanon as the OT. They don’t use the term “apocrypha” for those Scriptures. That is a 4-5th Century Jerome innovation which was a departure from the whole Church prior, and few Roman Catholics and all Protestants adopted (Jerome’s new innovation of Hebrew Verity, debunked at Qumran findings). I wasn’t barking orders. Just pointing out what the Bible you’re explaining says and how it’s been understood by the whole Church. You could be bearing false witness to call it “apocrypha.”
As a Protestant, anything beyond the 66 books is apocryphal. I understand that Catholics and Orthodox consider it deuterocanon and other works the apocrypha. I stand by the tradition I follow.
Thank you for this review Tim! How do you find the text bleed/show through issue in the Ancient Faith and Thomas Nelson OSBs? Is one better than the other, or are both about the same? Thank you🙂
It’s about the same. The AF is a sewn binding so that’s a bit better. Thomas Nelson was working on a better one and delayed the project. Not sure when they will pick it back up.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews Thank you! I've got the Thomas Nelson hardcover version, but find it hard to read with the ghosting, tight margins and line spacing. I'll wait until the new Thomas Nelson ones come out to see if the opacity and layout has improved. Thanks again! 😀
As an Orthodox Catholic Christian my biggest complaint with the Ancient Faith CSB is the removal of "St." as a prefix on the commentaries. It's important when a few of those commentators were condemned at Ecumenical Councils (Origen, Didymus the Blind) The commentary also seems lazily slopped together from the catena phone app (which has a lot more commentaries). I do like the pages on heresies (especially those all too common amongst modern heterodox groups). There are a few places (John 6) where patristic commentary that universally disagrees with baptist/radical reformation theology is conspicuously absent. Using the masoretic for as the basis of the OT is also weird since it didn't even exist when these commentators lived.
They used the NKJV as the base, but when the Septuagint disagrees it goes wit that. I’m pretty sure I explained that in my first video about this bible.
I am sure you’ve noticed that while I am not Roman Catholic, or Greek Orthodox (I am actually an Assemblies of God pastor in any of you were curious), I think it is incredibly important to understand the history of the church and how we ended up where we are as a movement. Sometimes as Protestants (and especially Pentecostals such as myself) we have a tendency to throw out the baby with the bath water out of fear of looking “Catholic” or “Orthodox.” I think many of us would be surprised as we study church history how many of their practices actually have roots dating back to only decades after the resurrection of Christ.
My point here isn’t that I agree (I don’t) with all of their practices, however, I do believe in many ways, they have some things right and we have some things wrong. The only way to learn those things is through dialogue, study, and humility. I have been greatly enriched as a Christian, and even a Pentecostal Pastor through my relationship with Roman Catholics, and Greek Orthodox friends. Mutual respect goes a long way in learning and understanding.
My channel is dedicated to pressing into hard issues, which is why you will find a vast array of bibles (some outright heresy like the Cepher, others on the fringe) with commentaries from theological standpoints I would disagree (The MacArthur Study Bible comes to mind.) but I want to learn. With all that said the Orthodox Study Bible is a fantastic addition to my library and I remain committed to reviewing material that press into difficult issues. Here are places you can purchase this bible:
Amazon: (affiliate)
amzn.to/3i3xgF0
SVS Press (currently out of stock, but a great place for Orthodox resources:
svspress.com/the-orthodox-study-bible-leathersoft-cover/
Ancient Faith Store:
store.ancientfaith.com/orthodox-study-bible-ancient-faith-edition
What version do you use for your church? I have some AOG background and strongly agree that we need to be somewhat learned in the church fathers as well…
Moved from the ESV to the NKJV this year and love it.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews how many congregants do you have? And what has been the feedback? And why the change?
It would be great if you did different types of reviews such as going through a few of the text of the actual bible and the commentary so that it can present to us a better informed idea of the bible we may be interested in.
Totally agree. I’m a Baptist raised as an Anglo-Catholic. Agree with you totally Tim. Church history belongs to us all. I love listening to sermons from the Oriental Orthodox (Coptic) Church. Their faith is wonderful and truly tested in the fires of persecution. The artwork in this Bible is beautiful. BTW. Just saw a video by an Old Testament scholar saying Goliath’s height was in fact 4 cubits and a span as this bible says. This is interesting if correct as he would not be 9 feet tall but just under 7 feet I think. Keep up the great work - love your videos. 😍🇦🇺🙏👍
Glory to Jesus Christ!
Thank you for that succinct overview of this publication. And with such respect. I was raised Catholic & attended Catholic schools, but started attending a Protestant Church as a teenager. Then went on to a Evangelical College. Now I'm Orthodox. I was not a theology major, but have had Catechism, Bible (Old & New T), and theology classes, even youth min classes through an Orthodox seminary. The Ancient Fathers teaching have so much wisdom, and didn't mince words. They lived and spoke the teachings of Christ without fear.
I love reading the footnotes now! And sometimes I sit with three different Bibles when preparing lessons! In the OSB (hardcover) the Psalms list the corresponding # for KJV.
Amen Tim 🙏. Let's build up one another, yessir
I had a bonded leather one from Nelson, years ago, but from some odd reason I gave it away, wished I would have kept it. However, if someone is getting blessed by it, then it is worth it.
Nice review. Love your friendly and edifying approach with respect to other Christian churches. Just in case, Ancient Faith also offers a hardcover version which is also smyth-sewn and comes with one ribbon.
Very interesting Bible Tim, and great wisdom there at the end. Thank you for sharing this one.
I wish Schuyler would make a premium Orthodox Bible
Perhaps a rebind?
Schuyler? What bible do they make?
Their RSV comes with an extended canon option, not an Orthodox centered Bible but universally used by both Orthodox and Catholics.
I have the Orthodox Study Bible. Unfortunately the paper is very thin, and there are weird print blotches on some pages. A rebind would only get you partially to the premium space.
I would buy a sewn Comfort Print edition if Thomas Nelson decided to print one.
As an orthodox Christian I struggle a being orthodox in my family while there Protestant, but to be honest your one of the few Protestant that I respect that is willing to be open minded and learn more of what they believe , I just subbed
The footnotes are what make this Bible, especially the first version. Thanks
…and the articles, of course. And the prayers!
Love this one - one of my favorites! Thanks for the review.
Great Review, I'm from Brazil and this bible is not avaible in any place near me, so this video showing the bible on hands is really helpful. Thank you, keep the great work and God bless you.
Good review and excellent statement! I am a Southern Baptist pastor who went to two Pentecostal seminaries, one by CoG and the other by AG.
Nice!
Purchased this Bible a few weeks ago used for $65 with shipping. Amazing book and I love to use it when my New American Bible or Douay-Rhames are unclear this one is an amazing reference resource.
Very nice review and very respectful.
I don’t like how there’s not many orthodox bibles to choose from in the English language. I have the Thomas nelson one, but want to get the other one, which is a bit out of my price range at the moment, to read comfortably in my lap
You’re right there are several Catholic Options but very few for the Orthodox. SVS Press has some nice study tools.
Would be nice if you could get it in a SHUYLER OR A ALLEN bible.
Or even a nice Premier Collection.
As a Catholic I wish we used the Septuagint more. It's a pity there aren't more Orthodox bibles in print.
The Septuagint is quite underutilized in my opinion.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews Very true, it was after all the scripture used most often in the early church
R D - As a slight counterpoint to that, I am now a Baptist but raised Anglo-Catholic. We Baptists are most often in the Septuagint and not so much in the NT. 😂😅. I loved the focus amongst Catholics of the NT. We can all learn from each other, after all we’re all brethren in Christ.
@@sandracoombs2255 Very true Sandra, I really admire the way Protestants are such scholars in the bible and hope that more Catholics get to know the bible so well.
@@jaqian Thanks R D 😊👍
Hi, why the papers are so thin? I can see writings of the back of the page. It's not easy to read. :(
Camera makes it look worse than it is.
Amen! ☦️
Really enjoy your reviews and channel, let me say thete should be more people line yourself. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Jewish, we all started in the same boat and we all believe in all the same things with a few differences, we should remember we are all Christians and believe in God and Jesus and not go against one another but help each other.
Just a quick question is there a Catholic Study Bible with notes on a large print like 10 plus and in leather or leather soft?
God Bless
Answered this on your other comment. Not sure the layout but this is the most popular option.
is the paper quality the same in both versions of these bibles? the hardcover and leather soft?
Yes. The paper is not the best feature. Thin and not very opaque.
Are the pages on this version thicker than the other one?
Not really.
Thanks for this video! I don't agree with everything this Bible has either, but I do agree with you on the fact that we all need to study and learn it all! I got this Bible for $46 trade in credit at my local book store and I can't wait to read it! Very interesting!
Edit: But I have a question: in your opinion as a pastor, is this a practical and useful study Bible for evangelical protestants? I bought it to learn more about Christ and His history, but I'm already noticing plenty of changed/different verses in the old testament...for example: Proverbs 31 is slightly off by 1 verse and verse 20 in the OSB is completely changed. Is this normal?
@@nonnymoose6260 Thank you, I will do some more research and read it a little more.
Would you say the ancient faith will hold up over time? I am looking to buy it and hoping to make it my forever bible
The Ancient Faith edition yes. The Thomas Nelson one no. Make sure you know what you are buying.
@ Thank you so much for the quick response!
I can't stand that thin paper it's so thin you can read the reverse of the page
Either do it justice or not print at all
I would gladly pay double for a proper print
The paper is pretty thin but I’ve never really been bothered reading it.
Was the commentary the same for the Thomas Nelson hardcover vs Ancient Faith leather?
Yes.
Smooth.
I wish some publisher would make a bible with REAL paper, Not this rice paper garbage. I would pay top dollar for this bible in real paper.
It would be super thick and hard to switch between the papers But That’s on you brother.
☦️
It’s not Apocrypha, it’s called Deuterocanon. It was never called Apocrypha until 4 centuries later with Jerome, then later a few followers of Jerome, including the Protestants who followed Jerome in his thinking.
I’ll call it what I want, thank you.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviewsWhen presenting the Orthodox Bible review, if you open it up, it’ll explain the proto-canon and deuterocanon as the OT. They don’t use the term “apocrypha” for those Scriptures. That is a 4-5th Century Jerome innovation which was a departure from the whole Church prior, and few Roman Catholics and all Protestants adopted (Jerome’s new innovation of Hebrew Verity, debunked at Qumran findings).
I wasn’t barking orders. Just pointing out what the Bible you’re explaining says and how it’s been understood by the whole Church. You could be bearing false witness to call it “apocrypha.”
As a Protestant, anything beyond the 66 books is apocryphal. I understand that Catholics and Orthodox consider it deuterocanon and other works the apocrypha. I stand by the tradition I follow.
Thank you for this review Tim! How do you find the text bleed/show through issue in the Ancient Faith and Thomas Nelson OSBs? Is one better than the other, or are both about the same? Thank you🙂
It’s about the same. The AF is a sewn binding so that’s a bit better. Thomas Nelson was working on a better one and delayed the project. Not sure when they will pick it back up.
@@anickelsworthbiblereviews Thank you! I've got the Thomas Nelson hardcover version, but find it hard to read with the ghosting, tight margins and line spacing. I'll wait until the new Thomas Nelson ones come out to see if the opacity and layout has improved. Thanks again! 😀
Meh! Slightly off topic. I WISH Holman would make their Ancient Faith Study Bible in something other than CSB.
Yeah, I also wish they had committed to the earlier church fathers more as well.
As an Orthodox Catholic Christian my biggest complaint with the Ancient Faith CSB is the removal of "St." as a prefix on the commentaries.
It's important when a few of those commentators were condemned at Ecumenical Councils (Origen, Didymus the Blind) The commentary also seems lazily slopped together from the catena phone app (which has a lot more commentaries).
I do like the pages on heresies (especially those all too common amongst modern heterodox groups).
There are a few places (John 6) where patristic commentary that universally disagrees with baptist/radical reformation theology is conspicuously absent.
Using the masoretic for as the basis of the OT is also weird since it didn't even exist when these commentators lived.
Kjv vs nkj
NKJV (New King James Version)
Removes “Christ” 1 time.
Removes “Lord” 66 times.
Removes “Jesus” 2 times.
Removes “hell” 22 times.
Removes “heaven” 50 times.
Removes “Blood of Christ”/“The Blood” 23 times.
Removes “salvation” 2 times.
🙄
another review said they used nkjv for the ot and not tge septuigant
They used the NKJV as the base, but when the Septuagint disagrees it goes wit that. I’m pretty sure I explained that in my first video about this bible.
Actually it was this video I mentioned it.