Are There Ancient Pictish Artefacts Hidden In This Scottish Cave? | Time Team
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- Wemyss Caves, on the shore of the Firth of Forth, have been a famous landmark for centuries. Legend has it that they were occupied by the mysterious Pictish people who scared the Romans into building Hadrian's Wall; subsequently, they were home to medieval Christian hermits and later to Jacobean nobles. Now the caves are under serious threat from erosion; the sea is already lapping at the cliff just below the cave line.
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Oh, I miss Mick Aston so much. It’s been 9 years since he died and every episode I watch after that, his presence is so missed by me. A wonderful, funny, extremely knowledgeable and intelligent man. Loved by people who never even met him, I’m sure he never knew how much he meant to many of us.
im a new viewer and i did not know he passed, so sad he was a very smart individual and very inspiring in his work ethic. May he Rest In Peace and live on forever in the rich history of Time Team 💚
Oh no! I was not aware that he had passed. Such a great person in so many ways. His legacy only continues to build after his life. I'm happy to be a part of it even if it was after his time.
Well I'm not alone with that I see. I miss Victor Ambrus too
I binged from the start of the series a year ago and was crushed when heard the news of his passing.
@@thehairyhominid9972 I remembered hearing that he had died, it was the middle of the night here in Australia and my son told me when I got up. I actually started to cry, and had never met him. But when you see them in your lounge room for years on tv you feel like you do know them and become quite attached emotionally. And he was such a nice bloke, and hated bureaucracy and ridiculous red tape for projects, or orders from people in suits who knew nothing about archaeology. Left us too soon and still missed along with those great jumpers of his! He was a treasure himself!!
Hello: As a senior, living on SS, I have little in the way of financial resources, but I feel blessed to have access to such High quality educational history. Probably no other time in history, when this would be possible.
That also includes me
If you really want to blow your mind research flat earth. I know it sounds crazy but it's the absolute truth. Water finds its own level. I looked into it because thought it was stupid, now I actually feel stupid for ever believing we are on a spinning ball. Just think logically with your own mind. What we have all been indoctrinated doesn't make any sense if you actually think about it. The reason they have done this is to hide the existence of God. Anyways God bless 🙌 and take care
@@crizzbear1977 Crizz...time to get back on the meds.
@@TheDesertwalker lol, find me a flight manual not based on flat non-rotating Earth and when you fail, you might be the that needs meds realizing you've been lied to our entire lives. I used to think and feel the same way you did so no hard feelings
Ain't it wonderful! God bless you.
Phil Harding is just the best! He can dig like a madman - is there anyone, anywhere, faster than him? Yet he isn't just digging and ignoring what he pulls out of his trenches. Even with his speed he still manages to locate important finds and does a more-than-credible job of making sense of them. PLUS - he isn't afraid to say when he can't make sense of something. A lot of experts think they'll damage their reputations if they concede that they are stumped by something. Not Phil. He is incredibly pragmatic. Then again, he is great at putting forth ideas to attempt to explain his finds, even outlandish ones, and doesn't seem put out when those ideas are proven wrong. He is truly seeking the truth, whether it supports his ideas or not. He is willing to change his theories based on the facts before him. I have been impressed by his style for years, and every episode he impresses me more. Then to top it all off, he's got a really great sense of humor, loves to kid around with the other Time Team members, and seems to get along with everyone. Perfect for a television show.
You don't sound like a satanic bad biker lol
@@johnp9402 My bike is badass. I'm not. But I get to feel badass when I ride! And I am an atheist, like Mick Aston, so the "number of the beast" is a joke.
Phil is the best. I wanna hoist pints with him.
I agree with you on most points, however ... Their strip-mining "archaeology" utterly ignores preservation in favor of ratings and it is abominable.
Mind you, I am still here watching!
I wish they showed more care for preserving these incredible finds. It's the BBC - if they wanted, they could pay off whomever to have as much digging time necessary.
@@trixiecox6433 Phil is always talking about using his finds to date a site. He has explained many times that this is done via a number of methods. Some that come immediately to mind are; radio carbon dating of organic materials; stratigraphy where you find a date for an item like a potshard, that can be identified by an expert, then determine the age of other finds by their relative position within the layers of soil; and dendrochronology, i.e. tree ring dating of wooden materials. I am sure there are others, but you get the idea. What all that means is that he isn't just digging recklessly and tossing away valuable materials which would then be forever lost. No, Phil and all the others place their found material into those plastic trays, which are first displayed to the cameras, then transported to the appropriate laboratory or museum for cataloging and preservation. We are not treated to a lot of the background activity, but if you look behind the speakers in many interview shots, you'll see folks with boards carefully recording the finds in the pits/trenches. Those are people from the laboratory or museum to which the finds will eventually be transported and who take control of the site after Time Team does what they do. Again, many things happen to these sites after the Time Team episode stops filming. The point of all this is that the team is made up of experienced archaeologists who are aware of what needs to be done to make their digs, or at least their portion of the digs, legitimate. We only see the exciting parts on TV or UA-cam.
Sorry to be so long winded, but I felt that the integrity of the Time Team methods needed to be defended against any complaints that they were "sloppy" in their efforts to learn the truth. I don't mean to be critical of your comment, either. I appreciate what you had to say, I just needed to add my piece. Please don't take what I said personally.
A hardhat is a curse-ed pain-in-the-neck until you forget you have it on and bash it into a big ole iron pipe or some such other beast.
Great episode, Fun to watch it again.
Amazing that so many people enjoy and listen to these stories about traces from the past. It's like digging a garden with an audience!
Brilliant. I've been fascinated with the Picts for decades, ever since I was a child. It's a shame that we can only romanticise the meanings behind their art, language and culture. When in reality, the fish and the serpent could just be signs of ownership, meaning 'Fish Clan; this cave is ours, keep out'.
Love this - my father’s family was actually from Wemyss and I visited the caves and saw some of these carving, so this brings it all to life.
It always amazes me with finds like this which we have to somehow interpret and then I think of the Aborigines in Australia who are able to tell/interpret what many thousand years old paintings mean - and who can, thru tales told by their ancestors, can still talk about a volcanic eruption that happened 12,000 years ago
It amazes me, that you would believe that the "Aborigines" miraculously have an uninterrupted/unadulterated oral history reaching back thousands of years or any understanding of their individual and/or collective history.
They do not.
@@John.Flower.Productions They do not , he says.. expecting to be believed I assume, based only on .. well nothing really.
12000 years ago, the whole world went through an immense disaster period, not long lasting, but extremely devastating. I would not be surprised if that is what their stories are really about.
Fun fact, those disasters, worldchanging, mapchanging, DNA changing events, happens every 12000 years.. We are on the brink of the next one, and this is supported by solid evidence.
@@John.Flower.ProductionsIt amazes me how condescending you are. Australian archaeologists and geologists have been working with Aborigines to explore that history.
@@alicemilne1444 _Australian archaeologists_ are almost as useful/necessary as breasts on an alligator.
They should attempt to secure the funding necessary to work in Antarctica; at least there is a slight possibility of finding something on that continent.
@@John.Flower.Productions I suspect you don't know what archeologists actually do. They explore human beings' interactions with their environment. The Brewarinna fish traps in New South Wales are considered to be among the oldest human constructions known to date.
The Antarctic has been under ice for 35 million years. Homo sapiens has only been around for 300,000. So there won't be any human things to find there.
Used to play in these caves all the time as a bairn :)
I love the regular team they have on this series & honestly I've been a huge fan of Tony's for years. The only thing I hate about this series is they only have 3 days time. 3 days time is never enough time to respectfully do a dig justice. Especially when they encounter something grand like Phil did in this episode. As much as I'd love to learn the secrets this cave holds I'm glad Phil had the integrity to stop digging.
you know: they could stay at one location for the remainder of their carreer.... : )
yes a heartbreak but "we are Out of here" is good also. work for young master's and maybe phd all set je sème à tout vent ...
I feel the same way. I would love to see them on a site for a month! 😊
someone should crowdfund a revisit to these locations if still possible and hire some archaeologists.
Yeah sorry but it just WOULD NOT work. This is primarily a TV show. 3 days is more than enough.
3 days is a short time but most of these people are also lecturers and professors and so can't take too much time off from their "day job". They had to fit these digs around their schedules. Plus, once the 3 days are up, other archaeologists would come and finish digging and recording. History wasn't lost as soon as those 3 days were up.
Kingdom Of The Picts...I 💘 this!! I am Scottish and Cherokee. 🇺🇸
This series is so interesting! Don’t end it anytime soon!!!
This is one of the coolest videos I have ever seen. Well done y’all well done!
Distant future archaeologists commenting; if only the later generations hadn't distrupted it, we could have learned so much more about this burning car era...
The land of my ancestors, Scotland, and Ireland. Wish I could have made it home for a visit before I go toes up.
Well, it’s ow 4 hours later. Are you still with us ? 😜
I’ll bet you aren’t the oldest one watching.🥸
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How do you know who your ancestors are? In the past two years I discovered my father was born a Hartlieb. His blood brothers I share y-DNA had the name of Shervington. I no longer believe the children my x-wife had are mine. It becomes problematic to be certain beyond six generations to prove anyone's ancestory. According to DNA services, I am mostly Scots-Irish, but all my ancestors for 15 generations ON PAPER are places in the US geography. My home is a place with my name on the deed and people who think I am more important to them then the President of the US. I think I "made it home for a visit." Some thinking we are the offspring of ancient alien astronauts. Do you think your "home" is extraterrestial?
@@JohnLloydScharf yeah, but with most Irish clans, you can trace the history of your clan by name. Should be the same with Scottish clans. The Irish didn't start recording their history until 800, so you're screwed on anything before that... 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️...
@@JohnLloydScharf Aren't you just a gem, bet you're just a blast to live with Mr. Schart
I found out through DNA testing I am 4% Scotish. I might not be able to find my ancestor, but I am enjoying watching this video.
Yolanda, if you were 8%, you would spell it Scottish, lol ..... just teasing.
The people must have entered the cave and enjoyed a pict-nic.
Always astounding when ancient objects don't seem to deteriorate the same way as the exact same materials w even better preservation methods and modern tech
They wouldn't have lived where they carved these symbols.
A cave is a special place, a liminal place between worlds, which is why sacred symbols and motifs are carved there.
It's a sacred space.
That is very much my thought as well . Probably caves were seen as a gateway to the Underworld . Plenty of reference to this in ancient mythology. Few other people seemed to have picked up on this idea though, and just see caves as being used purely as shelters from the weather .
Amazing finds. So glad they are being recorded before the sea reclaims them.
Just imagine all the glorious things that ARE under the sea's along most of the shorelines all across the word !
the sea isn't going to reclaim them. not anytime in the next 2000 years. I actually get irritated with this episode because Tony keeps playing up the climate hysteria for the dullards who act like they only had 12hours before the sea washed it away. Look on google maps. You can easily find several years worth of aerial photos of the Wemyss area. This episode was filmed in 2005, looks exactly the same now, 18years later.And it will look exactly the same 18 years hence.
@@maxdecphoenix I imagine you get irritated by a lot of things. Go out, get a degree, and educate us "dullards", why don't you?
@@freedpeeb I don't need a degree to look at this episode and then look at photos of the same area twenty years later and see no change, and reason they may have had a bit more time than they presumed based on their 'education'.
Hate how the historian lady was going to talk about what the Picts looked like, when she was interrupted and we never heard what she was going to say.
So Phil goes into a huge hole and dig more holes. He must be as happy as a clam.
Thank you for the video!
I can confirm the caves haven't been swollowed up by the rising sea levels lol... It's exactly the same still
The Plymouth stone proves sea levels aren't changing.
Bravo @ Always enjoy !
Very interesting.. Thanks for posting this video.
I love this show so much.
Another great episode
Thanks for posting.
You may find Pictish artifacts in that Scottish cave...along with several species of small furry animals! 😉 very informative entertaining show love historical shows like this.
“The picts must have been very small to draw at that level!”
Why is it no one ever thinks it might just be a pict kid’s drawing?
Or the artist laying on his/her side...
"Mom! Dhar is drawing on the cave wall again!" Why not?
Ever notice that when they find this sort of stuff, they seem to just assume a man did it, never a child or a woman?
@@jmontgomery1178 LOL thanks!
@@elirien4264 In an age where hardly anyone could write, let alone have the skills and tools to carve into stone, such trades were likely exclusively male. We live in a world where hard objects for cutting into stone are easy to come by. Back then such tools would have been super rare and not given to children to play with. Sure some children may have scratched something on stone with a sharp rock once but those scratches have long since worn off. The marks which last for centuries are made by things like hammer and chisel, specialist tools which would have been guarded well by the owner.
This is an awesome video.
It should be mentioned that the Picts are also the RH negative race. Ppl who have Pict bloodline (Scot/Irish) are most likely to be RH negative.
That's worth knowing, thanks!
Me!
That's very interesting . . .
@Alieff Farwell not sure about royalty but its considered an anomaly. I researched later on life as i am rh negative and found that the rh stands for the Rhesus monkey, some ppl have the Rhesus monkey protein on their blood cells hence positive and some don't hence scratching they dang head Lol. However the Picts were rh negative and so therefore you will find that most of the people that are negative come from that region of the country and tend to be fair in hair and eyes. Interesting lil fact.
Maternal Weems grandmother. I do have RH Negative blood. Visited those very caves about 4 years ago.
"Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict" - Pink Floyd
Lol. Good one
@@baronesselsavonfreytag-lor1134 Your UA-cam name is quite striking.
@@TechGorilla1987 An interesting character in art history if you want to read about her.
@@baronesselsavonfreytag-lor1134 Did your original reply disappear??
@@TechGorilla1987 Yes
Jolly good show!
"Not enough to wash a dirty hermit."
Great video.
One thing we know about the Picts is that they were scary to fight. Who else did the Romans just decide to wall off and call it quits?
Logistics. In fact evidence of Roman occupation throughout the highlands is becoming evident.
It was just to expensive for to little return.
The Romans built many border defenses, with the same intent.
Search:
*Roman Limes*
Excellent!
Love this channel ،
If you were trying to find a cave or tunnel that leads to a castle, why would you not start at the castle, looking for any possible sign of a tunnel inside?
Somebody owns the castle so not a starting point.
Love from the old lady in Texas may God bless you always and forever
Now I know why people worry about sealevels! They only have 3 days left!
oh...did I get that wrong?
I asked Greta T, AL Gore and AOC. They think you may not have three days.
@@brianhillis3701 According to Al Gore those three days were in 2010!
These guys are terrible at Pict- tionary.
It wwould fun to find out that that was a classroom where young pupils. made the drawing as part of their education. Lol
Phil Harding is the best there ever was or ever will be!
Love hearing the Kiwi accent in the episodes!
I've never heard of the "History Hit" service until about 2 weeks ago when I found this channel. The quality of what I've seen here makes me want to check it out. If it's on par with this, I'll sub
The lack of evidence that the pics lived in the caves could be from the residents who came after them cleaning up the debris and tossing it out.
I’ve had that happen to my belongings too!
Usually some righteous women in a emotional outburst goes on a cleaning frenzy !
Finding evidence in caves must be a huge challenge as surely the new residents would have cleaned out all the rubbish left behind from previous use and they would have tried to improve the situation they were living in. Even now with all the latest technology, lots of guesswork. I'd love to see a series about those who moved in after Time Team had done their three days and posed so many new questions. 20 minutes broadcast footage for each day has never been enough for me and I wonder how many classic moments have never been seen.
@@bouncybaby5577 Archaeological dating is mainly based on trash/debris.
There is always plenty leftover from every age of habitation.
Time team needs to go help the guy's on Oak Island 😆
Interesting how iron age sites in Scandinavia are getting further from the sea.
Scandinavia was pressed down by the ice masses and is still rebounding.
Couldn't the lighting be better. Very interesting but disappointed at not being able to see the carvings well enough and camera hardly on them 2 secs before its whipped away .
at least you don't have to worry about rain, squalls & drizzle shutting your dig down ...
Thank you..
love it
Is it possible that the bedrock they encountered in the first cave was actually them digging down and standing on the 'table' top work area they fashioned the nails on? Maybe there was more space to dig down closer to the walls where the carvings were? Just a thought 🙂
@Football Fan GGMU well, that's not very nice.
no it was carbon dated: 200 - 400 aD.
Nice vids Just noticed the toilet brush beard on Tony Robinson. What does he look like :)
"It's almost as if I were to say 'God bless you'..."
Citation needed
Love Time Team and finding an episode that I have not seen is exciting. However the caves triggered my claustrophobia and I could not watch past 10 minutes. For the rest that can watch please enjoy.
I know what you mean. The underwater archaeology is what gets to me😓
@@yellowwoodstraveler I agree! Anything that takes place in or under the water freaks me out. I have drowned twice. Once at age 8 and again at 14 ... in the same lake! As a result, I don't even like to take baths! Visit an aquarium? Oh HELL no!
Dang, I’m sorry but I feel you- if there are too many depictions of snakes, I gotta turn it off.
@@badbiker666 I nearly drowned as a kid 2x as well. For many years I was nervous around water. Snorkeling was a disaster because you can get water in the tube. THEN I tried Scuba!!! So quiet, so peaceful, so not stressful. You are the one in control. And I have been so overwhelmed with the beauty of this other world, that I was moved to pray down there!!! Give it a try if you ever get the chance.
@@cruisepaige I didn't "almost" drown. I had to be revived both times. I couldn't possibly give SCUBA a try. The Detroit Zoo has an exhibit where the public walkway goes underwater so that the critters (I can't remember which ones) are literally all around you. I suffered a severe panic attack and had to be carried out. And I was completely dry. So you can imagine how terrified I would be if I attempted to go under water. I have improved. I can now actually get in a pool without hyperventilating, but putting my face in the water is not going to happen. I believe that actually going fully under water would stop my heart. So ... no thanks.
Does anyone know if they ever went back to these digs? Any idea of any more digs in this area?
Thank you for not being all wrapped up in making a name for yourself in the digging community.
Great Video, Thanks.
Those are some VERY big pieces of rock!
Dig it all up
The cliff above the cave opening must have eroded since the bronze age. The cave opening back in the bronze age was likely some distance into the the sea.
It's too bad that the editor of this episode thought we wouldn't watch if there weren't obnoxious music playing constantly in the background. If I end up not watching all the way to the end, that music will be exactly why.
I want Nick’s sweater and matching hat…lol
Been here, seen this.
That "snake"carving in the cave looked alot like the pattern on the silver piece.
They have found a number of repeated images in Pictish art which tells us it wasn't just random drawings.
When was this episode recorded?
S12 E8 - "Picts and Hermits: Cave Dwellers of Fife", 20 February 2005
The party layer 3:42 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They should have titled this show "grabbing at straws".
Won’t be the first time the see covered that land, won’t be the last.
that castle needs work on that big, zig zag gap to prevent it'a imminent collapse
Pictish cave enthusiast -- "You lot! Stop carving fish all over this pristine cave!"
The shell ruble layers should be from the Storegga Slide, @ 6100 bce.
I enjoy this program but I really want to enjoy it a lot more and this ridiculous rushed three days gets on my nerves so bad. Good science cannot be rushed.
Wonder what production/play/show Tony was in during this series that he had the soul patch on steroids... hehe
the tunnel at the back of the cave looks like a fire was put there..possible chimney to the surface long ago maybe
That thumbnail of Phil is choice 😂
0:58 The Firth of Forth has several hundred years to go.
TIME TEAM SEASON 12 EPISODE 8 because Odyssey won't put this information on their post, for some reason.
Rising sea levels? Seas are rising 2mm / year, the continents are drifting apart 25mm/ year, the moon is drifting away at 37 mm / year. By the time the sea rises 10 meters there won't be any tides! You've got bigger problems to worry about.
The seas rising combined with the greater intensity of storms is eroding the land around the caves which is why they are in danger.
How neatly does the refill need to be done ? It would take a lot longer than 3 days !!
They would have been sea bearers...shell fish and fish...back in those days ...the oceans were abundant...
Now very abundant with trash and chemicals, aren't us humans just wonderful, caring intellectuals......we HAVE lost our way many decades ago, sad that things WILL be getting a whole LOT worse. Best wishes now.
Maybe the fish carving was a way to size up the catch...nope: too small- toss it back.
Why is it not available to watch in Scotland?
Guy just called it ad free n hit us with the odessy easy homer
These caves are very very old and in past they sometimes buried people in such places. Caves used to be sacred places for burials ans sacred ancient teachings and initiations when coming of age and also shamanism and healing. Then they have built on top of them and been used as dwellings and then even later in turn, a huge castle built on top of it. Those in power used to build churches and castles on top of such sacred places as they hold mystique and at times are power places, energy points. This reminds me of Culzean Castle in Scotland where that castle also was built on top of caves. Often we see cathedrals, and castles around Great Britain, and elsewhere, are built on energy points or 'power places' of the ancient people. A lot of castles are unfortunately even built on ancient burial mounds. Think there have been a collapse of the cave/burial mound by the building of the cave. This looks like the way Norse men used to live and bury their dead. The rune they found is a telling image. Many Norse men where persecuted by the church and or Romans pushing up through Europe so they fled further up north, ending up on the isles of England and Scotland. The jewelry really look like Norse jewelry. It is not christian burial it is older. Burial mounds have standing stones inside the mounds, hence the skeletons that were found and exposed by the water eroding it. It really sounds like Norse men living here. Interesting dig. x
Wonder weather anyone has thought about building a bulkhead out in the water and tying into the hillsides, to protect the cave’s and beach.
Still waiting for a Spondana Ingen Aingtech episode.
It is perfect camouflage...
where was the health and safety in the Well cave? hard hats people!!
If it's a real issue of importance, setting a arbitrary 3 day time limit is ridiculous. you need to do important things slowly and carefully without watching a stupid clock
That was Rolled silver, Not hammered silver. Dents and streaks look very different. Then during the "recreation" no attempts at annealing were made resulting in cracks forming. To make a silver earing like that you engrave with a chisel onto thin rolled silver. As a historical documentary maybe do a bit more research into the history of silver/metal working. Romans used stone rollers tightened together using rope, and the technology originated in the bronze age with copper jewelry. (I am aware this was not filmed recently, just bothered by the harsh inaccuracies regarding basic metalwork coming from the mouth of a supposed expert.)
I look forward to your upcoming podcast on the art and craft of Pictish silver smithing - please cite your sources. It was about the art dummy.
@@crinolynneendymion8755 Excellent comment, except for calling him or her a name like a 6 yr old would......nasty narcissist you !! Sorry people have failed you in your youth and you continued the madness.
@@crinolynneendymion8755 He doesn't seem to be a dummy, dummy.
would have made a great little homestead with crops and fishing and a cave to live in. Seems pretty obvious to me TBH.
The sea has been rising sin e the end of the ice age...
Brigid's well could be a foot wash or small baptism pool.
The greatest thing the Piks should be remembered for is their ability to see off the bloody Romans! In fact they were terrified of them! The greatest of the Britons!
Picts
What a dreadful shame not to have enough time to do a more thorough search!
All their digs are usually taken over by local archeologists.
ok, can we not guess that If they had the time to create art of any kind suggests something closer to a structured society than Romans gave them credit for ?
If they ain't romans they are not civilized. Rome ruled and the picts were an unruly bunch. There is thought that Hadrian's wall built by the Romans was to keep the picts on the Northern side. They must have been a bother.