No way hahaha the CEO appoints the head of leasing to be the company president and they want to have all leasing trucks? Your crazy hahahaha Seen that coming as soon as rob appointed him as president. Really sad the direction prime is moving. I’ve decided after I finish this lease in January I’m out. Going to Walmart for better pay and benefits, not to mention more hometime. Keep up the videos, still enjoying them 👍 stay safe 💯
Sadly it's true... I just got a call from one of the fleet managers today. I've been waiting for a TnT trainer for 2 weeks and just got matched today. He told me that basically lease Is mandatory and that I'd I wanna go company I'd have to sit on the wait list
Man I’m so glad I left prime few months ago. Found local company in Cali making more money hauling Double flatbeds than I did leasing with prime and hell of a lot less stress. Prime has gone down hill so fast in the last 2-3 years. When I was there I always recommended students to go company first before going lease. Either way I’ll be waiting for Prime to eventually go under.
Sounds like prime is going broke and can't afford to pay their truck payments on their own. Or they just see more opportunities to take money from drivers without giving benifits
So glad I got out of leasing when I did. I was only there a year and a half and left when I noticed a decline in my paychecks and the BS that was about to come. I now just got a job as a OTR driver making $1.10 a mile! Much happier so far.
Yea it's crazy, I've been waiting at home for 2 weeks now for a TnT trainer.. I finally for a call today from a fleet manager and he basically told me that lease is going to be mandatory 😡😡 I told him I've had no intention of going lease from the start. So when I'm done with TnT if they don't want to work with me or make me wait for months for a company truck then looks like I'll be going to a different company
@timtravels116 true haha, I'm already looking at other companies too if worse comes to worse. Just not sure which company will take me with only 30k miles under my belt
@@usarmy11B17 Usually it’s how many months and some companies only require 3 months. Or you could go through their refresher program. You’d be surprised how just a few months of experience opens doors in trucking as long as you haven’t wrecked/gotten tix
Prime wants to be a truck dealer more than a freight moving company. Last I heard a bit before I left in June, prime only had about 10% company drivers. Many of which who were making more than lease drivers. Prime wants lease drivers cus you don’t have to offer any benefits and you get to take whatever you want off the load you offer. And they prob charge more for the truck than it’s worth. Prime being a good employer is the biggest scam in the trucking industry
It's perfect, a training company That you have to lease a truck from For at least a year or pay Thousands, for your c. D. L. Money they know the newbies don't have They just need to keep the revolving door spinning And they make the big$$$
And another thing I just thought of. Every Friday we pretty much have the head of every department at prime attend the “safety” meeting. Except for who? Thats right the appointed president of the company aka the head of leasing. He has only made one appearance that I’ve seen. Now that he is the president of the company why isn’t he there every meeting? It’s kind of a slap in the face when every other department head is there but him. Just goes to show the direction prime is heading and it’s a shame.
Remember March 11 FLSA final ruling? I believe that that rule has had zero effect on any company anywhere in America. I feel like it’s just business as usual. I enjoy your videos. Stay safe, sir.
Same thing with getting paid detention, imagine calling a lawyer and demand everyday they work your case 2-4 hours everyday before you begin paying them, they’ll politely ask you to go away
It's seems to me that Prime needs to restructure the pay scale for lease trainers. Obviously, the current one is keeping good and capable lease ops from training. Company drivers will soon be making more money as trainers than the lease ops did. I feel Prime should be responsible for their employees pay including claims towards truck their employee caused. It's such a lopsided system where the Lease Op is responsible for everything for the "privilege" to train. Just paying their employee salary would encourage lease ops to train.
prime is a good starter company, after that your better off going to go find a small fleet based out of your state or atleast close to it. its plenty amazing other companies out there
I get wanting to get a cdl there as a newbie you drink the koolaid im so glad i went with cfi and had a awesome experience.no auto restriction and trainer and trainee sleep at the same time. So you dont need to drive while trainer is sleep.I moved on cause it was just to get my cdl there.stood one year
With social security you will always get back less than you put in. Its objectivlty better to not pay in if possible and then save that money. In reality it doesnt work out like that due to people who get paid under the table not understanding math and not saving and also usually making less. This includes lease drivers What he says at 17:20 is spot on
@@renesanchez2210 You’re making assumptions about SS that aren’t always true. My grandmother collected SS for 35 years. I guarantee she got way more than she put in. It’s also a fallacy that people will save on their own.
I just finished my TnT this week and was looking to go company solo...I saw firsthand how they screw good lease drivers. So now I wonder if I just go with another company and fork over that $4600 fee for not completing a year.
@@timtravels116 yea, I've looked at it that way as well. My backing is terrible though, but I figure I'll practice when I can when I go solo. Just looks like I'll be soloing somewhere other than Prime. Thanks for the reply, Terry.
@@tooksie I hear ya, but I can't team for another 9 months (and by can't, I mean I hate it and won't do it). Just ain't no way. And I'm not getting into a lease this early on. So I feel like I ain't got any other options.
I am Prime lease operator.... Prime used to be a family business, but it is now a self-serving corporation that eats its own... This comment is based upon my personal experience and observations. The leadership is totally clueless and voided of any empathy. Everyone works the bare minimum to get their paycheck, and the rest simply don't matter!!! Prime has a very toxic working environment, and I would strongly suggest to stay away from Prime at the moment!
Medicare eligibility at age 55 would cost “less than zero”. Treating people proactively 10 years earlier would lessen the huge bills that come due when underserved 65 year olds enter our Medicare/National Health Service
Actually when you think about it if they are going to implement any new rules and have people quit now would be the time to do it just like what they are doing with the cameras right now
@@timtravels116 naw man you got it all wrong. They see everything. Just like everyone knows to snitch on drivers allegedly doing anything in Springfield. They know everything
You can. But as a W-2 employee the employer pays for half and you pay for the other half. That’s just one of the many ways they reduce costs by misclassifying employees as independent contractors
Tim, your great guy and everything but what does it matter if prime goes to all lease or not you guys are driving yourselves crazy just like the camera when they decided to put them in the truck
@@jimc8802 Yes. But that’s one of the reasons why companies want to classify people as 1099 contractors. They get out of WC, SS matching, and unemployment taxes.
I think Prime will look very different come Jan 1st, 25. they’re requiring all trucks operating under prime’s authority to have the cameras by 12/31/24 which means all those company guys are gonna need to come in and make a decision. The Co drivers with pets/spouses that they paid the deposits on. Wonder if Prime will refund it.
@@timtravels116 in Canada there are limited doctors.. I have a friend that needs surgery for a nerve but can't get the surgery until he is 55 years old.. I'm glad you got coverage Tim
@@DerekMatzeg But you act like care isn’t rationed in the U.S. It is AND it’s tremendously expensive. The U.S. has the highest cost per person for medical care and the lowest life expectancy of any industrialized nation.
under IRS code for an independent contractor it locks like prime is not meeting the behavioral test or the equipment test behavioral test failed do to you have no dot number and therefor can not move freight with out prime telling where and when equipment test do to them telling you what kind of truck how its equipped you can drive A large reason prime is now as big as it is . Is because CR England got called on this about 15 years ago and lost there ability to lease trucks and fined millions of dollars same thing could happen again
I am doing the advance Fleet right now. They told me that they’re taking two of my trucks and then two weeks later they’ll take the other two I have my own drivers and my own trucks. I was trying to see if you know anyone that are on the advance, fleet team with four trucks or more and how are they doing, and how much are they making a week per Truck?
Then UA-camrs look like clowns when they make videos putting out false info 😆 they addressed this in the safety meeting that it’s only a temporary solution for what sounded like a lack of equipment issue that the expected to resolve itself in about 3-4 weeks 🤷🏻♂️
@@keithh8149 So what I said is true. Thanks for confirming that. I admire your faith in what Prime promulgates at the Pep Rally. I mean, it makes sense because everyone knows there’s this huge shortage of trucks on the market. And Prime, being as tiny as they are, certainly has no market or forecasting power. So yeah, it checks out.
@@timtravels116 You know what’s sad man. The fact that people can’t admit when they are being lied too by their place of employment. They already lied about the cameras, and now they’re here!! Makes you wonder what other lies are being told. I got lucky and got in right before they started that mandatory team ish. I value my privacy and don’t want it encroached upon. Period! But every other day I get messages from the FM pushing teams hard. I came here after being lied to at Stevens, and honestly this company is way better, but if you start forcing me to team, then I have all my endorsements, just waiting on TWIC, and won’t have an issue going elsewhere. Thank you Tim for putting out the truth that no one wants to hear.
Can’t be lack of equipment when they have hundreds of trucks sitting in the yards empty. Even when they had no trucks during Covid this rule was never implemented so something is stirring up
Yeah sad days for prime. Not the company thing so much. But the other factors here lately. The fact they want to treat lease op as company. Ect. 12 year's at prime will not last much longer
Would this make for a loophole in the 1 year contract for those still within their 1 year? Since they can’t go company as a solo? Just curious. That isn’t me, I’ve been here 3 years.
I'm a sleeper driver teaming and I get 1.01 a mile only split the miles we drive we run 6000 mile so I gelt paid on 3000 miles and gross 3800 to 4200 as a company driver
@@AStriz62486 So Prime has already told small fleet owners that unless they trained someone they can’t hire them to be in their fleet from a company position at Prime. So any company driver wanting better pay has to lease (if that’s better pay) or go to another carrier.
@@owneroplife7005 You may want to start at the beginning of my channel. Yeah I talk about Prime, but they’re huge and newsworthy. And apparently you like videos about Prime too! Thanks for watching.
I’m so disappointed in what prime has become, it’s sad. Robert let his minions take control and they’re going to run it into the ground.
No way hahaha the CEO appoints the head of leasing to be the company president and they want to have all leasing trucks? Your crazy hahahaha
Seen that coming as soon as rob appointed him as president. Really sad the direction prime is moving. I’ve decided after I finish this lease in January I’m out. Going to Walmart for better pay and benefits, not to mention more hometime. Keep up the videos, still enjoying them 👍 stay safe 💯
Sadly it's true... I just got a call from one of the fleet managers today. I've been waiting for a TnT trainer for 2 weeks and just got matched today. He told me that basically lease Is mandatory and that I'd I wanna go company I'd have to sit on the wait list
Man I’m so glad I left prime few months ago. Found local company in Cali making more money hauling Double flatbeds than I did leasing with prime and hell of a lot less stress. Prime has gone down hill so fast in the last 2-3 years. When I was there I always recommended students to go company first before going lease. Either way I’ll be waiting for Prime to eventually go under.
Sounds like prime is going broke and can't afford to pay their truck payments on their own. Or they just see more opportunities to take money from drivers without giving benifits
So glad I got out of leasing when I did. I was only there a year and a half and left when I noticed a decline in my paychecks and the BS that was about to come. I now just got a job as a OTR driver making $1.10 a mile! Much happier so far.
Yea it's crazy, I've been waiting at home for 2 weeks now for a TnT trainer.. I finally for a call today from a fleet manager and he basically told me that lease is going to be mandatory 😡😡 I told him I've had no intention of going lease from the start. So when I'm done with TnT if they don't want to work with me or make me wait for months for a company truck then looks like I'll be going to a different company
@@usarmy11B17 When you finish TNT you should be on the guarantee as long as you’re available. If they don’t pay, file for unemployment.
@timtravels116 true haha, I'm already looking at other companies too if worse comes to worse. Just not sure which company will take me with only 30k miles under my belt
@@usarmy11B17 Usually it’s how many months and some companies only require 3 months. Or you could go through their refresher program. You’d be surprised how just a few months of experience opens doors in trucking as long as you haven’t wrecked/gotten tix
Another enjoyable video Terry
Prime wants to be a truck dealer more than a freight moving company. Last I heard a bit before I left in June, prime only had about 10% company drivers. Many of which who were making more than lease drivers.
Prime wants lease drivers cus you don’t have to offer any benefits and you get to take whatever you want off the load you offer. And they prob charge more for the truck than it’s worth.
Prime being a good employer is the biggest scam in the trucking industry
Pretty profitable scheme. Ask those Russians out of Chicago with their scam leasing. It's pretty much the same BS.
no rate con?
It's perfect, a training company That you have to lease a truck from For at least a year or pay Thousands, for your c. D. L. Money they know the newbies don't have They just need to keep the revolving door spinning And they make the big$$$
@@indo3052 nope. Just what they tell you
@@Blacktopcowboy i thought u had a legal right to see the ratecon?
And another thing I just thought of. Every Friday we pretty much have the head of every department at prime attend the “safety” meeting. Except for who? Thats right the appointed president of the company aka the head of leasing. He has only made one appearance that I’ve seen. Now that he is the president of the company why isn’t he there every meeting? It’s kind of a slap in the face when every other department head is there but him. Just goes to show the direction prime is heading and it’s a shame.
Remember March 11 FLSA final ruling? I believe that that rule has had zero effect on any company anywhere in America. I feel like it’s just business as usual. I enjoy your videos. Stay safe, sir.
Lol. So much hype behind it too lol
Management will definitely be automated before truck drivers
Thanks Terry once again for the good info. Stay safe.
Same thing with getting paid detention, imagine calling a lawyer and demand everyday they work your case 2-4 hours everyday before you begin paying them, they’ll politely ask you to go away
It's seems to me that Prime needs to restructure the pay scale for lease trainers. Obviously, the current one is keeping good and capable lease ops from training. Company drivers will soon be making more money as trainers than the lease ops did. I feel Prime should be responsible for their employees pay including claims towards truck their employee caused. It's such a lopsided system where the Lease Op is responsible for everything for the "privilege" to train. Just paying their employee salary would encourage lease ops to train.
prime is a good starter company, after that your better off going to go find a small fleet based out of your state or atleast close to it. its plenty amazing other companies out there
I get wanting to get a cdl there as a newbie you drink the koolaid im so glad i went with cfi and had a awesome experience.no auto restriction and trainer and trainee sleep at the same time. So you dont need to drive while trainer is sleep.I moved on cause it was just to get my cdl there.stood one year
With social security you will always get back less than you put in. Its objectivlty better to not pay in if possible and then save that money.
In reality it doesnt work out like that due to people who get paid under the table not understanding math and not saving and also usually making less.
This includes lease drivers
What he says at 17:20 is spot on
@@renesanchez2210 You’re making assumptions about SS that aren’t always true. My grandmother collected SS for 35 years. I guarantee she got way more than she put in.
It’s also a fallacy that people will save on their own.
I just finished my TnT this week and was looking to go company solo...I saw firsthand how they screw good lease drivers. So now I wonder if I just go with another company and fork over that $4600 fee for not completing a year.
@@AmexL That’s a decent price for CDL training.
@@timtravels116 yea, I've looked at it that way as well. My backing is terrible though, but I figure I'll practice when I can when I go solo. Just looks like I'll be soloing somewhere other than Prime. Thanks for the reply, Terry.
@@AmexLbacking takes time finish your year company that tnt time counts
@@tooksie I hear ya, but I can't team for another 9 months (and by can't, I mean I hate it and won't do it). Just ain't no way. And I'm not getting into a lease this early on. So I feel like I ain't got any other options.
Shits fucked up. They about to pass down all their problems to the lease ops because when lease ops fail they can care less, prime still gets paid
@@RoadrunnerG Successful businesses and rich people get and stay that way using OPM. Other People’s Money
@@timtravels116 always.
Prime was an all lease company for many year. They didnt have company trucks until they bought out Rocor back in 2003 or 2004.
Crazy.....I would not lease for a carrier...only buy my tuck and contract loads
I've already accepted that I'll be working forever or a homeless elderly person when the time comes. I am completely HECKED.
I am Prime lease operator....
Prime used to be a family business, but it is now a self-serving corporation that eats its own...
This comment is based upon my personal experience and observations.
The leadership is totally clueless and voided of any empathy. Everyone works the bare minimum to get their paycheck, and the rest simply don't matter!!!
Prime has a very toxic working environment, and I would strongly suggest to stay away from Prime at the moment!
Medicare eligibility at age 55 would cost “less than zero”. Treating people proactively 10 years earlier would lessen the huge bills that come due when underserved 65 year olds enter our Medicare/National Health Service
Actually when you think about it if they are going to implement any new rules and have people quit now would be the time to do it just like what they are doing with the cameras right now
The mothership has a drone parked above you
@@BigMoney23223 Not in the cave. I only make videos in secure areas.
@@timtravels116 naw man you got it all wrong. They see everything. Just like everyone knows to snitch on drivers allegedly doing anything in Springfield. They know everything
As an independent contractor, a person can still pay into social security, correct? Are you saying 1099 employees are not required to pay in SS?
Absolutely. You pay the individual share plus self-employment tax.
You can. But as a W-2 employee the employer pays for half and you pay for the other half. That’s just one of the many ways they reduce costs by misclassifying employees as independent contractors
Tim, your great guy and everything but what does it matter if prime goes to all lease or not you guys are driving yourselves crazy just like the camera when they decided to put them in the truck
@@Sunshinemano627 well, it definitely doesn’t matter to me, however, it does to lots of other people.
Doesn’t self employment tax substitute for social security
@@jimc8802 Yes. Sorta. It’s the share that would’ve been paid by the employer.
@@timtravels116 it goes to your ss
@@jimc8802 Yes. But that’s one of the reasons why companies want to classify people as 1099 contractors. They get out of WC, SS matching, and unemployment taxes.
The thing about prime, how the hell are they making money 😂. Between the lawsuits and drivers just going madmax on the innocent folks on the highways.
I think Prime will look very different come Jan 1st, 25. they’re requiring all trucks operating under prime’s authority to have the cameras by 12/31/24 which means all those company guys are gonna need to come in and make a decision. The Co drivers with pets/spouses that they paid the deposits on. Wonder if Prime will refund it.
Awesome 😎 video Tim.. @TimTravels you don't want the Canadian health care system.. Its trash 🗑️... Be safe on the road 🛣️ Keep the 📰🗞️ coming... 👍
@@DerekMatzeg I have “socialized” healthcare and it works fine. Sort of. And it’s dirt cheap.
@@timtravels116 in Canada there are limited doctors.. I have a friend that needs surgery for a nerve but can't get the surgery until he is 55 years old.. I'm glad you got coverage Tim
@@DerekMatzeg But you act like care isn’t rationed in the U.S. It is AND it’s tremendously expensive. The U.S. has the highest cost per person for medical care and the lowest life expectancy of any industrialized nation.
under IRS code for an independent contractor it locks like prime is not meeting the behavioral test or the equipment test behavioral test failed do to you have no dot number and therefor can not move freight with out prime telling where and when equipment test do to them telling you what kind of truck how its equipped you can drive A large reason prime is now as big as it is . Is because CR England got called on this about 15 years ago and lost there ability to lease trucks and fined millions of dollars same thing could happen again
I am doing the advance Fleet right now. They told me that they’re taking two of my trucks and then two weeks later they’ll take the other two I have my own drivers and my own trucks. I was trying to see if you know anyone that are on the advance, fleet team with four trucks or more and how are they doing, and how much are they making a week per Truck?
@@user-nt4gc5if9h I don’t.
Then UA-camrs look like clowns when they make videos putting out false info 😆 they addressed this in the safety meeting that it’s only a temporary solution for what sounded like a lack of equipment issue that the expected to resolve itself in about 3-4 weeks 🤷🏻♂️
@@keithh8149 So what I said is true. Thanks for confirming that.
I admire your faith in what Prime promulgates at the Pep Rally. I mean, it makes sense because everyone knows there’s this huge shortage of trucks on the market. And Prime, being as tiny as they are, certainly has no market or forecasting power. So yeah, it checks out.
@@timtravels116 You know what’s sad man. The fact that people can’t admit when they are being lied too by their place of employment. They already lied about the cameras, and now they’re here!! Makes you wonder what other lies are being told. I got lucky and got in right before they started that mandatory team ish. I value my privacy and don’t want it encroached upon. Period! But every other day I get messages from the FM pushing teams hard. I came here after being lied to at Stevens, and honestly this company is way better, but if you start forcing me to team, then I have all my endorsements, just waiting on TWIC, and won’t have an issue going elsewhere. Thank you Tim for putting out the truth that no one wants to hear.
Can’t be lack of equipment when they have hundreds of trucks sitting in the yards empty. Even when they had no trucks during Covid this rule was never implemented so something is stirring up
Yeah sad days for prime. Not the company thing so much. But the other factors here lately. The fact they want to treat lease op as company. Ect. 12 year's at prime will not last much longer
Would this make for a loophole in the 1 year contract for those still within their 1 year? Since they can’t go company as a solo? Just curious. That isn’t me, I’ve been here 3 years.
@@kristi6486 Probably not.
I am on SSDI. I would love to find an (OTR) trucking job that paid under the table. I can't ever work in OTR trucking due to income limits for SSDI.
Make your own. Get authority and have your entity get paid. Then pay yourself W-2 below the limits. Perfectly legal.
@timtravels116 how much does authority and every related cost? I'm guessing 1-2 k a month? But I'm guessing I have no idea
you want to kill people driving with a disability? that's pretty degenerate.
I'm a sleeper driver teaming and I get 1.01 a mile only split the miles we drive we run 6000 mile so I gelt paid on 3000 miles and gross 3800 to 4200 as a company driver
Math ain't adding up. You get paid a dollar a mile and get paid for 3k of them? How do you gross 3.8k to 4.2k?
What company?
@@PhucYuBichlol. Sounded good initially though lol
How will this affect drivers with small fleets who have company drivers in their trucks
@@AStriz62486 So Prime has already told small fleet owners that unless they trained someone they can’t hire them to be in their fleet from a company position at Prime. So any company driver wanting better pay has to lease (if that’s better pay) or go to another carrier.
@@timtravels116not entirely true. Anyone upgrading can go to a minifleet instead of leasing, or going company team.
Hey I emailed you, wondering if you could answer a question. 🙋♂️
Young terry the great
not a lawyer so could be missing something
They started lease only so that won't be anything new
#whatintarnation
no company drivers what a bought inter-modal
Do u think prime is gonna go public?
@@indo3052 I’ve said no, but I’ve been wrong before.
Your company only hire those Justin beber robot boys better star get some fat free Vaseline for that bumpy ride
^^ found the angry front facing camera lease only Prime employee. ^^
Wrong
This is not even legal.... sorry.... i don't believe it
Why isn't it legal?
This guy can't stop talking about prime lol
@@owneroplife7005 You may want to start at the beginning of my channel. Yeah I talk about Prime, but they’re huge and newsworthy. And apparently you like videos about Prime too! Thanks for watching.
@@timtravels116 And yet here he is. Go figure. Good info as usual.
I think it’s common to talk about previous work places that you worked especially if you worked there for a decent duration.
dang, why does Charles Barley keep talking about basketball? he doesnt work for the NBA. IT'S SO CRAZY IT MAKES NO SENSE.
I hope that what your saying is false
@@southbound141 Prime is going all lease at some point. Just a question of when. They’ll deny it right up until it happens.
For God's sake don't listen to this guy.
@@terryh6304 You do. Why wouldn’t you want other people to?