I watched Tim Price's go and this go and I feel the commentators were kind to Boyd Martin. A 17yo experienced 5* horse that has been around such courses was clearly showing it knew what needed to be done. What I felt was the Rider was more tired as at times the upper torso was waving back and forth, so much yanking on reins, and not balanced, not in sync with the horse. That run out was all rider and Boyd's hands were not giving any good direction and Tsetserleg was too close to make a good jump. The horse made a good decision, why, because it is experienced. It is not a green horse. By now it knows what works, what does not and what it can do to make it work. To say that the horse was tired ignores that it still had a lively trot after the finish. As Eventers learn, the horse reflects the rider and what I saw reflected was either or both a tired mind or a tired body of the rider. Watch Tim Price, most times small adjustments to the fence, staying centered, and in one moment accepting the horses decision for striding and working with it, not forcing something else. The commentators were kind (they are paid for that), this was not a good ride and I would praise the horse for getting the human over the line safely, despite the rider. Fans may differ, but I ponder, what does the Rider feel?
@@2008foxhunter Thank you. I do not do Instagram so I cannot see those comments. I do know he posted here, on UA-cam, without comments so....If he said "I didn't give my partner a good ride, I was not as focused as I could be".well then, good on Boyd. If at any point he finds fault with the horse, then not so good Boyd. Maybe, just maybe Boyd starts to think, it became a paycheck, not a passion, time to step back because then...then it is not fair to the horse he rides. Eventing was about the partnership of rider/horse, not more about the contest, not about the monetary reward. I followed Boyd for years, I cannot say today what horse he has any strong connection with, he rides too many. This is what I see, Boyd is a Jockey, he rides for a paycheck, not for passion. This is the world of Eventing today, I do not have to respect it, just accept then mainly (at the top level) ignore it. The Team that won today, the team in second, that was passion, that was partnership.
@@bucc5062 he did basically say that. He said he didn't give Thomas the ride he deserved and that he himself was off mentally. It was a very kind explanation and he clearly loves the horse.
Well I give all credit to the horse and would say that the rider simply was not with him and made the horses round far more work than it could have been. Quite a surprise to see such a scrappy and ugly round by an advanced rider.
Boyd won gold for two countries. He’s the absolute crème de la crème. A long rein gives the horse room to use himself better. The horse was a tad flat in the beginning of the round which made Boyd really work for every step. The goal is time and accuracy without wasting your horse so you have enough left for stadium jumping. It’s not supposed to be pretty, there’s a dressage phase for that.
Seriously? He gave him plenty of rein and didn’t interfere with the horse’s mouth at all, think I heard them say the horse was 17 so nice and experienced, I thought it was a great ride actually.
Those jumps are actually pushing the horses beyond their limits,don,t believe me, do some homework, cross country is a dangerous sport at this level, lovely feeling of air as you go for jump omg that says it all, higher, harder , horse a little tired ,it's energy sapping, !that compare has no compassion at all, Thought polo was hard on horses, but nothing compared to jumping at this level in xc, in this competition for a place or ribbon worth a few ££ , cost to horse,pitiful😊 Making who,s dream come true ?, poor horses just a plac
He’s an incredibly experienced horse, and so is the rider. I’m here trying to learn a bit about eventing, so rest assured the horse was comfortable, held back some even. To add, definitely not say it can’t be dangerous. It takes a lot of will to do most things on a horse, it takes a lot of will and eagerness in the horse to make it to this level, and and certain both rider and horse have certainly known rough falls before.
@@smackaroo4159 anything can go wrong. It doesn't matter how skilled the horse and rider are, all it takes is one bad distance and it could be serious injury. We need to start putting our horses first, above money or fame, honesty don't you see how unreasonable some of these jumps are??
@@bigbigratTHANK YOU! I agree 100%. I think course designers are building insane obstacles for the entertainment and thrill of the spectators (and maybe the riders) without taking the welfare of the horses into account! This is why I HATE top level eventing. Asking WAY too much of the horses and creating many potentially disastrous situations
@XxGhostLvrxX i can not believe you make this claim. Bears used to 'dance ' in the circus. Not because they loved it, but because they were beaten again and again until the realized there was no escape to their faith. If a horse refuses or even shows doubt to jump these insane jumps they get whiped. The rider is not even hiding this. Abuse like that happens in all horse'sports'. It is horrible abuse and humans stand on the site watching and cheering. Excuse my English.
@@meike7507 you have never owned a horse have you 😂😂😂, you think you are going to teach a horse anything by whipping it 😂😂, you think the bond they share that they can pick up on each other's slightest movements is developed by whipping 😂😂
I can't believe Tsetserleg is 17. Such an amazing horse
Wow that is just a stamina infested course! Props to the riders for knowing when to hold their horses back.
I watched Tim Price's go and this go and I feel the commentators were kind to Boyd Martin. A 17yo experienced 5* horse that has been around such courses was clearly showing it knew what needed to be done. What I felt was the Rider was more tired as at times the upper torso was waving back and forth, so much yanking on reins, and not balanced, not in sync with the horse. That run out was all rider and Boyd's hands were not giving any good direction and Tsetserleg was too close to make a good jump. The horse made a good decision, why, because it is experienced. It is not a green horse. By now it knows what works, what does not and what it can do to make it work.
To say that the horse was tired ignores that it still had a lively trot after the finish. As Eventers learn, the horse reflects the rider and what I saw reflected was either or both a tired mind or a tired body of the rider. Watch Tim Price, most times small adjustments to the fence, staying centered, and in one moment accepting the horses decision for striding and working with it, not forcing something else.
The commentators were kind (they are paid for that), this was not a good ride and I would praise the horse for getting the human over the line safely, despite the rider. Fans may differ, but I ponder, what does the Rider feel?
Boyd addressed his cross country ride on Instagram last Saturday. I suggest if you’re genuinely interested in his thoughts to look there…
@@2008foxhunter Thank you. I do not do Instagram so I cannot see those comments. I do know he posted here, on UA-cam, without comments so....If he said "I didn't give my partner a good ride, I was not as focused as I could be".well then, good on Boyd. If at any point he finds fault with the horse, then not so good Boyd.
Maybe, just maybe Boyd starts to think, it became a paycheck, not a passion, time to step back because then...then it is not fair to the horse he rides.
Eventing was about the partnership of rider/horse, not more about the contest, not about the monetary reward. I followed Boyd for years, I cannot say today what horse he has any strong connection with, he rides too many.
This is what I see, Boyd is a Jockey, he rides for a paycheck, not for passion. This is the world of Eventing today, I do not have to respect it, just accept then mainly (at the top level) ignore it. The Team that won today, the team in second, that was passion, that was partnership.
The horse was outstanding, especially when you consider that he is a smaller horse and 17years old. The rider was definitely tired at the end.
@@bucc5062 he did basically say that. He said he didn't give Thomas the ride he deserved and that he himself was off mentally. It was a very kind explanation and he clearly loves the horse.
Written by a non-rider.
The badminton Cross country circuit is always way too hard and extremely dangerous for both the horses and riders. Ridiculous
I would think a big issue would be all the PEOPLE. Wow so maybe potential problems there. These horses need to be super focused.
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Well I give all credit to the horse and would say that the rider simply was not with him and made the horses round far more work than it could have been. Quite a surprise to see such a scrappy and ugly round by an advanced rider.
Unless you've tried riding the course at Badminton then you can't criticise.
Boyd won gold for two countries. He’s the absolute crème de la crème.
A long rein gives the horse room to use himself better. The horse was a tad flat in the beginning of the round which made Boyd really work for every step. The goal is time and accuracy without wasting your horse so you have enough left for stadium jumping. It’s not supposed to be pretty, there’s a dressage phase for that.
Seriously? He gave him plenty of rein and didn’t interfere with the horse’s mouth at all, think I heard them say the horse was 17 so nice and experienced, I thought it was a great ride actually.
@geegee: Do you practice being ignorant and judgemental? Or does it just come naturally? Troll elsewhere. The grown ups are talking.
Sounds to me like you have never ridden Badminton....😂
Didn’t Martin cross his line when he came out of the water and made a right handed circle before he jumped the log?
Think I saw this twice, so glad someone else noticed!
The log out was numbered separately so no penalty for crossing tracks
Welcome to the opinionated ignoramus section of equestrian comments. This is a safe place to spout off on things you know nothing about.
Stellar. Unbelievable
What is this game?
If the video sped up? It looks so choppy.
Those jumps are actually pushing the horses beyond their limits,don,t believe me, do some homework, cross country is a dangerous sport at this level, lovely feeling of air as you go for jump omg that says it all, higher, harder , horse a little tired ,it's energy sapping, !that compare has no compassion at all,
Thought polo was hard on horses, but nothing compared to jumping at this level in xc, in this competition for a place or ribbon worth a few ££ , cost to horse,pitiful😊
Making who,s dream come true ?, poor horses just a plac
I would love if a rider would mic themselves up and wear a go pro, and post it. You KNOW they talk to their beasts almost the whole way!
What an exhausting course, amazing.
Better to finish safely ....
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jesus christ what a death trap
He’s an incredibly experienced horse, and so is the rider. I’m here trying to learn a bit about eventing, so rest assured the horse was comfortable, held back some even.
To add, definitely not say it can’t be dangerous. It takes a lot of will to do most things on a horse, it takes a lot of will and eagerness in the horse to make it to this level, and and certain both rider and horse have certainly known rough falls before.
Agreed.. and has happened for a tired horse pushed, end result can be catastrophic.
@@smackaroo4159 anything can go wrong. It doesn't matter how skilled the horse and rider are, all it takes is one bad distance and it could be serious injury. We need to start putting our horses first, above money or fame, honesty don't you see how unreasonable some of these jumps are??
@@bigbigratTHANK YOU! I agree 100%. I think course designers are building insane obstacles for the entertainment and thrill of the spectators (and maybe the riders) without taking the welfare of the horses into account! This is why I HATE top level eventing. Asking WAY too much of the horses and creating many potentially disastrous situations
@@margauxnodvin7478 absolutely
It’s not abuse the horses actually love doing this. And if they didn’t they would tell us meaning refusals and trying to get the rider off
I can not believe it is still acceptable to abuse animals like this
What do you mean the horses love it, have you ever owned a horse b4
It’s not abuse the horses actually love doing this. And if they didn’t they would tell us meaning refusals and trying to get the rider off
@XxGhostLvrxX i can not believe you make this claim. Bears used to 'dance ' in the circus. Not because they loved it, but because they were beaten again and again until the realized there was no escape to their faith. If a horse refuses or even shows doubt to jump these insane jumps they get whiped. The rider is not even hiding this. Abuse like that happens in all horse'sports'. It is horrible abuse and humans stand on the site watching and cheering. Excuse my English.
@@meike7507 you have never owned a horse have you 😂😂😂, you think you are going to teach a horse anything by whipping it 😂😂, you think the bond they share that they can pick up on each other's slightest movements is developed by whipping 😂😂
@rugbystories3344 i don't have to own a horse to reconize abuse or human stupidity around this matter.
Disgusting what people do to horses!
Tell me you don’t know anything about horses with telling me you know nothing about horses. Smh people will do anything to make us look bad
Cruel cruel
The commenters just yammer non-stop. My advice is turn sound off.
what an awful rider - bad with his hands bad with his seat- poor horse
put a bridle and saddle on megin rapanoe, and you could ride her all over this course too! :)