Teslas need to add a "towing mode" where the gross weight of the trailer is known, the type of load is selected (bike racks, rear boxes, actual trailers, etc.) so the car can correctly calculate estimated driving distance and also account for the different driving dynamics.
Thanks for your video. Yes, you can tow with a Model 3. My wife and I went on our honeymoon last spring, with a Model 3 towing a 1200 Lb. Teardrop trailer. Had the time of our lives going all over the Southwest. 10 weeks and 8,000 miles later, our average was 465 Kwh/mi. Would do it again in a heartbeat.
@@shadmonk we charged overnight at campgrounds, and during the day we stopped at superchargers. By the time we made lunch and used the bathroom, we were charged up.
Towhitches on Model 3 are indeed delivered in Europe... and have been for some time... Mine with a factory fitted towhitch was delivered ind Sept. 2019
Consumption depends very much on speed and size of the trailer. Dont go with 65, use 55 mph. Tesla Björn tested a lot of trailers, consumption varies a lot depending on size. And towing in Europe means often max 50 mph...
You keep mentioning the weight of the trailer, but that's less important unless you are in hilly area than the drag coefficient. The power required goes up to the cubed power versus velocity. So going 65 mph on a highway with a trailer is a bad idea, you should be going 55 mph or go on the back roads if you want range.
Right you are. Keeping your speed down, even when not towing, or trying hypermiling techniques can greatly improve mileage distances on battery! I had a Bolt EV until it was totalled, and I was getting 300 miles by just driving more conservatively, or don't Californians know how to do that? LOL
Yes, and that just makes it unrealistic here in the US. If you're not going at least 65 on the interstate you will piss off a lot of other drivers. The problem is aero.
@@rogerheuckeroth7456 Yup, but if speed can be given a secondary importance consider side roads instead of the interstate. It might take you longer, but I have found the drive more enjoyable and interesting to say nothing about how less stressful it is. :)
I towed a 5x8 enclosed U-Haul trailer from Columbia MO to Paso Robles CA with my LR RWD Model 3. I lost a third or 33% of my range. I did not have any problem reaching the next Supercharger and only needed to unhook the trailer once. MANY things impact the range achieved from terrain to wind resistance to ambient temperature. If you need to tow on a regular basis with your Model 3, you will adapt to the reduced range and plan accordingly. When we owned a 5th Wheel RV, we towed it with a gasoline powered truck. We had to adapt frequency of stops because of the extra consumption. Again, we adapted. A Better Route Planner was invaluable when making the above described trip because of its ability to enter the real world consumption results into the trip calculations.
Let me tell you about Norway: We pay so much for the fuel that only a few wants to invest in a large gas guzzling pickup truck, but settle for a reasonable family car or suv, with a toe hitch for those few times when we need to get something really big, and mostly we can get it delivered for a small fee, anyway. The few really big American pickups are usually owned by US car lovers or companies with special deliveries. The toe hitch also gives us the ability to have a camper caravan, for our holidays, but motorhomes gets more popular each year.
also most people own their homes and dont rent, lots of houses with gardens that need maintaining, lots of people also have cabins where they might need to transport stuff over large distances so having a hitch is so important for so many people. before the model X you would constantly hear people say they couldn't have a EV because it doesn't have a hitch.
I've seen a lot of Testa towing tests with those bulky, square-shaped trailers, but none with an aerodynamic-shaped one. It should be nice to see how much difference aerodynamics makes.
Yeah, an Aero Trailer Test would be great! I wish we could get a trailer hitch for the SR+ here in Canada. We would probably use some kind of rack that Bjorn Nyland tested on the SR+. It would be awesome for road trips.
Added a Stealth hitch to my P3D. My results were just about spot on with what Ben experienced. Tweeted Elon concerned about the lack of pull through chargers, especially with the Cybertruck coming.
I got the EcoHitch installed for me a year ago to use my Thule 4-bike rack a couple of times a year. On the highway it took a hit of about 30% on range. I like that it is completely hidden with nothing visible or affecting aerodynamics when not in use.
I have been towing with a MitSubishi PHEV in Washington state north of Seattle. There is not much battery range on the PHEV, but towing at 65 on the freeway is definitely going to eat up the battery. I generally stay off the freeways if I can (use side roads) and tow at 55. It s amazing what difference 10 miles per hour makes. I know Californians like to travel fast, but try slowing down and range will improve a LOT!!
The main thing ive noticed in all tesla and ev reviews are that you have to plan your trip and expect the worst situation to happen in terms of range, and you also have to keep on calculating and plan for the possibilty of changing course to get to a charger if you're using more power than was expected. I guess it makes for a more stressful and much longer long distance trip especially when towing
Our MX P90DL came with the trailer hitch option new. In 4 years I have not connected it once. The 3 times I needed a trailer during that time we used our F-150 to do the towing. The trailer option on the MX is just an emergency backup if ever needed. That said, I guess I need to connect it and pull a trailer just to check that everything is working properly. I just felt that it being a Tesla that of course it would work the first time and every time. Just sharing our story.
With my used 2015 Nissan Leaf, I am able to haul a small amount of firewood. This is possible because it is a hatchback and I don't have to haul the wood far. The interior is also a black cloth. This allows dust and dirt to not show up.
My wife and I are about to take a long road trip in our Tesla model 3 dual motor and our dirt bikes. From Akron to Moab! We've pulled them to a place we ride about 30 miles away a couple of times now, but hard to get an average of stats that way. It didn't seem too bad, about 20 worse w/hrs per mile. Wish us good travels! : )
Thank you for the bit at the 7:00 mark. Im in the market to replace my pickup with a tesla given the distance I commute to work, but still want to race motorcycles on the weekends and the possibility of pulling a trailer has been top of my mind in if it will be feasible or not. This and the Engineering Explained video are helping a ton.
Trailers are great. Not all vehicles are meant for all purposes. But for occasional use, I think this is fantastic. There are also small light weight trailers for motorcycles that can be used but that just adds another trunk. Trailer efficiency (aerodynamics and rolling friction) and keeping a proper tongue weight are all important in doing a successful trailer pull! Good vid, keep it up! -- btw my Smart ForTwo ED gets 3.4 to 4 mi/kwh for normal driving. 2.6 is the worst I have seen in my using HVAC and going through the hills around here. ... So at your 78% efficiency you are getting about 4mi/kwh. But my little car is NOT aerodynamic at all but still great fun for a first 'toy' EV (it was also cheap!). Also the trailer you were pulling could only be made worse by putting a 4x8 plywood on the rear as more of a wind brake. A teardrop trailer with smooth undercarriage weighing the same would be an interesting comparison.
I live in Europe, and my family owns a trailer for over 30 years now. We use it to old junk to the junkyard, furniture and other big or dirty stuff. Here the speed limit with a trailer is 80 Km/h or about 50 mph even on highways. Drag is the biggest drain on your batteries, and just dropping from 65 mph to 50 makes the consumption go down a lot, even in ICE cars.
Tow hitch mounted bike racks are common in Europe - much more efficient than putting bikes on the roof. We're slowly getting into pickups / utes / trucks (depending on your country) but as working vehicles as an alternative to vans (Transit / VW T6 etc)
Just got a 2020 Tesla Model Y, Two Motor, Long Range Battery with Factory Class 2 Hitch and Roof Rack. How heavy a trailer can it tow? This model is rated for 3,500 lbs. T@B is 14 feet and only 1,800 lbs. dry weight. Pulling this trailer Reduces Tesla Range (311miles) an average of over 40%. Can go about 100 to 130 miles on a full charge. But long-range distance travel is easily doable with Tesla online trip/charger planning. Also can use other charging networks in a pinch. Staying in a park or camp site with power helps. Most destination are level 2 and not much help. Happy Tesla Trailering.
In Germany we have "trailer" spots at the supercharger sides, also the model 3 with the tow hitch got delivered end of last year already tho its only available for Longrange and Standart
Many places in Europe (or maybe just the UK) limit speed while towing. This is one of the reasons why the same car has a higher tow rating in Europe than it would in North America.
I had a the EcoHitch installed for $770 including the hitch and all parts and labor and I use it for a bike rack, Best addition to the car! My CT will be for towing a camper!
I can confirm Tow-hitch model 3 in europe. My dad took delivery of his in mid december.works fine, we towed a huge box container with a consumption of 280wh/km at speeds of up to 90 km/h
One of the first things I did when I bought my Chevy Volt was installed a hitch so I can carry my bikes to races in the mountains or other states like Wyoming. It does cut down on a little aerodynamics but it has worked for six plus years now
Interesting issue regarding having to unhitch the trailer to supercharge. Maybe they should design them so that you can pull in and drive off (i.e. a clear area in front of and behind) the charger, like a petrol station?
Thanks for your vid. For me towing was one of the unknowns. I was gonna get model y, but now I know that it will suck for towing... Thank you for saving my money
Got a P3D- with a tow hitch since september 2019 (Belgium), best of the two worlds :). But recently got a system warning (red sign)...lot of water going into the electrical plug (oriented downward). Following vehicle's certificate, the maximum limit on tow hitch is 25kg (verticaly) and 500kg in traction. Less than a LR (750..900kg?).
@@elmoo88 it's also called a stealth, go check around. It's a perf without the perf package (lowered, brakes, 20" and spoiler). From time to time some were available during 2019 "in stock". I have track mode and a tow hitch 😘
Would be a real hassle here in the midwest chargers and camp grounds can be a whole lot more then 70 miles away. But when we use a trailer were more likely pulling something way heavier then 3000 lbs so a pickup is still required. Hope the Tesla CyberTruck has better towing capabilities. Most trailers here are generally the Goose-neck style pulling 3 or 4 tons isn't uncommon.
This is a great point, thank you for making me aware of it. The incredible range teslas get these days is incredibly fragile. Batteries are still dogshit compared to gas in terms of the energy/weight ratio. The only way EVs are scraping by is because of their incredible efficiency. From now on, when I think of what I will use my future tesla for, I will think thrice if its even physically possible.
@@madskillz1o1 Watching youtube videos and talking to tesla owners I did realize that THERE IS a lack of real-world range. I mean, just look how every single tesla owner has a lot of excuse when actually driving. Model 3's battery weighs half a ton AND holds only 2 gallon of gas worth of energy.
Done it on a MS85 in Oz...short distance mainly.not an issue for range but ..however as a comparison nice to see the losses on a comparable ICE car...thinking no one has done that before as the metering for Mileage has not been as good enough in the past....
I'll do a test when I get my Model Y. Although I don't plan on towing very far with that. Until the Cybertruck comes in, I will be towing with a diesel truck. One thing that does not make a lot of sense with all the tests that I have seen is that a truck may go from 18 mpg to 12 MPG when towing which is about 66%, but most of the EV tests that I have seen have the EVs take much bigger hits in efficiency. Does not bode well for getting rid of diesel trucks in the near term in my opinion.
When I first heard of the Cybertruck my first thought was yes I can finally justify buying a truck and 29’ Travel trailer. Unfortunately that’s not a thing... yet. Between your data and TFL the fast lane trucks article about range towing a heavy trailer it sounds like a nightmare. I’d only really want to be able to tow about 150 miles with the CyberTruck but even with the triple motor long range I don’t think I could even get to the coast and back or to the mountains and back with a 7500# travel trailer. Hope the future makes this more realistic
TeNgaere it’s the might that is a problem. I can buy a Ram or Ford for the $60k the Cybertruck costs and have no range issues. My hope was to have a fun efficient vehicle for around town and car trips without trailer that could also tow a travel trailer short distances... just not that short.
Not sure what to think at this point as I preordered 500+ range Cybertruck hoping to build a truck camper and tow a small trailer with all the toys ( dirt bikes, bicycles, portable kitchen, etc). So do we need for some one to develop a trailer platform with additional battery storage/capacity? Will the truck have ability to be changed from secondary battery bank. Should we start a separate discussion regarding this topic?
@@MyUtubeScott Great thought about pulling extra batteries on a trailer. I wonder if that'd be a net gain (extra weight towed) or a net loss due to the extra weight. I'd think net gain, but it's really hard to say. Plus the trailer would be pretty spendy with a full powerwall or two on the bottom. On the bright side, you could have it be a pop-up trailer and put a full high-watt panel on the roof which could be moved and angled at the sun while at your destination to re-charge if only slightly.
In NZ we love towing things, sedan and trailer or ute etc. Very common at least half of all cars I would estimate have a tow bar (though I imagine that is dropping with new car purchases now days).
The other difference between Europe and the US is that many European countries forbid most aftermarket changes to your vehicle, including adding a tow hitch. That being the case, you've got to have the car manufacturer add it or its not legal.
I did it(install hitch) with my Tesla Model 3. The plan is to do 2 mountain bikes on a bike rack, then ultimately my dirt bike, my street bike, my electric mountain bike on a trailer W/Honda Generator EU2200i. Total weight will be about 1200 lbs. Look me up.
Another advantage of pulling a camping trailer is you can easily find campsites with full hookups. A NEMA 14-50 outlet will charge a Model 3 at ~26 miles per hour.
My use case would be some version of the Cybertruck pulling a 30-foot gooseneck with 5-8 large round bales (1800 lbs each). My source of hay is typically 30 to 60 miles away, and I'm in central Nebraska. Between lack of infrastructure in rural Nebraska and the range in such cases, I'll likely be dumping fuel in the super duty for a while yet.
I left my house to go camping not towing anything. Just me in the car and my cargo area full of camping gear. I drove 123 miles up the mountains to my campsite. I left the house with a full charge of 310, I got to my campsite 123 miles later and only had 95 miles left on my charge. I used 215 charge miles to go 123 driving miles. it was up hill most of the way from 1400ft to 7800ft elevation. On the return trip down hill most of the way I used 66 charge miles to go the 123 miles return trip. I asked myself if I was towing a small trailer I probably would not make it without stopping and charging somewhere on the way. I would have no doubt the return trip I would make it. I guess the point is I can't tow a small trailer going up the mountain without stopping for a charge.
You can rent various kinds of trailers at most gasstations in The Netherlands. Pretty easy when you need to transport stuff that does not fit into your car. There people driving pick up trucks like Ford or Dodge, but they are not common. A few days a guy drove his white big Ford pick up truck into city hall of my local town. Must have been angry at some city employee or the major 😂
Unfortunately long distance towing is still the Achilles heel of EVs, especially Teslas. Teslas get a large part of their efficiency from aerodynamics, reduced vehicle weight and reduced rolling resistance. Add back poor aerodynamics, increased weight and increased rolling resistance by adding a trailer to your package and yes, your mileage will suffer significantly. The reduced efficiency is hardly noticeable in a gas or diesel guzzler because it's already so inefficient that adding a little more goes largely undetected.
You hit the nail on the head. To make a BEV tow vehicle there is no getting around the need for a massive pool of energy and that's going to be a massive battery pack.
I've had my hitch for a year and noticed immediately traveling to Mammoth with our e-mtn bikes that it most definitely cuts into the range. You also receive a constant warning that your rear sensors aren't available. Tesla should add a setting to allow for a bike rack or towing to correct this.
5:07 That Norway thing. I think ordinary drivers sign up to a delivery service. Bjorn Nyland in the pic used to do it a lot, but I think he eventually stopped. Sadly, I've forgotten what he used to call it. I believe it works like this - if drivers are taking a road trip in a particular direction, they can take parcels and deliver them on the way, and it helps pay for the trip. It's quite a cool thing, but as far as I can see, it relies a lot on honesty. Then again, it everyone is mutually honest, everyone benefits. BTW Ben, I was interested to read your introduction piece "The Lightning Rods" in the new Fully Charged Guidebook to EVs and Clean Energy. 👍
Great video. You should do the exact same test with a comparable gasoline car and see what kind of efficiency loss you get on that as well. The range suffers on those too. It is not like gasoline cars can tow without requiring more energy.
The difference for a gas car is that the only issue you have to deal with is increased cost. You use more fuel towing, but it will not limit where you can go and if you can make it somewhere. It will not make a significant difference, if any, in the amount of time to get there either. If the nearest charger is 130 miles away and you need to go 100 miles then return home what will you do? Many scenarios with other distances between chargers, if it is cold, have a steep incline into a headwind you might never make it to the next charger. Or will have to stop at every charger because you'll never make it to the next one which means drive an hour and a half, charge an hour (remember, with your range only a third to a half you'll need to charge to 100% (not 80%) in order to make it) and hope you don't have to share one or wait for one. On a 700 mile trip one way then 700 miles back think of how much longer and trouble it would be in an ev than in a gas vehicle that might have to stop for 3-5 minutes two times extra at a multitude of gas stations of choice whenever they wanted (not when the have to). That's the difference.
EV owners shouldn't complain about the reduction in distance when towing. It happens with my Tacoma all the time. If I drive carefully I can get ~22mpg on the highway but when I'm towing a trailer (usually in the 2000-lb range) my range drops in half. I'm lucky to get 11-12mpg, reducing my speed and using my gears properly. The only way I see this issue addressed for EVs would be to have a partially powered trailer to supplement the vehicle powertrain. Yes, that would increase the cost of the trailer but I see it as a second locomotive when pulling a long train.
Great video mate. I am in the UK and just got my M3LR with Tow Hitch. This was a helpful video and going to purchase a trailer for camping etc. I sold the family BMW X5, so a trailer seems logical!!!
OWalter14 in ...Ive seen many authorities stating that America, altering the vehicle only voids the warranty if it can be shown that the problem with the car was caused by the unauthorized action.
Did you look into what kind of gross vehicle weight the Model 3 would be able to handle with a tow hitch? It has the power to pull stuff, but what kind of weight can the actual car handle?
Do you still not get the tow hitch in the US at this time? Jan 2021. That would be ironic since mine has it and is US made (I live in Sweden). To me it makes sense to at least give the option for all markets regardless.
I often drive my Model X 100D with a big (but quite aerodynamic) trailer and 2 racing bikes from Switzerland to Spain or Italy. I get about 210 km range, which is not ideal, but allows to hop to the next Superchargers here in Europe. Therefore: not ideal yet but clearly feasible also for long trip once you get used to it :)
i live in Europe and i would get the tow hitch. not only because of camping and or shopping furniture but in my future i would like to build my own house and having the option to get a trailer to tow lumber or something like that around would be great... but it would be limited use.
Guys at TFL had the same issue with the MX, long distance towing mostly unrealistic at this point, Tesla will have to address this by the time Cybertruck's are rolling down the hwy.
Another excellent video but, IMHO, it would be more convenient if you would use "miles per kWh" or at least show the conversion in subtitles. For me 3.215 miles/kWh is easier to work with, especially when quickly calculating range in my head, than is 311 Wh/mile. Coming from the ICE world people are conditioned to think in "distance units per energy units" (as in MPG), than it is for the opposite. Not a big deal, just a thought. Anyway, I'm surprised that your Model 3 averages only 3.2 miles/kWh. after 60k miles my wife's Leaf has an average of 4.2 miles/kWh. You must live in a mountainous area.
I wonder if we will see an update to this as cybertruck comes closer or once it’s released, I’d think that not updating your range calculations for a trailer would be a huge problem for a truck
Do you think the Cybertruck will be similar to your findings? I’m in Utah with mountains. In my Spark EV I use about 14-15 miles coming home from work which is 21 miles.
TY for sharing, I am not a trailer guy , so my first thought has been .. how much mpg and therefor mileage to you get out of an ICE car while towing that load ? please Free the data :-)
This is one of the reasons I’m starting to second guess My future purchase of a cypertruck. I run a landscape business and haul many different types of size trailers and weights. Even with the 500mile cypertruck the range wouldn’t be enough towing. Sadly this is where I think having some hydrogen vehicles would be helpful since they can be quickly refilled. Only problem is there’s no network of stations yet.
Teslanomics with Ben Sullins but we do know that the cybertruck won't be towing 500 miles. Nor 400, and i would highly doubt 300. Physics is physics and cost is cost, and neither tesla nor any other ev manufacturer is going to be able to provide the quantity of batteries needed on a platform robust enough to tow 10,000+ lbs for any great distance in the real world (350+miles) at a cost of $50-60k.
I think the electric towing issue is def a problem for the cars, I hope that the trucks will be a bit better. I think someone should build cargo and other hauling trailers with battery packs and possibly add motor that is controlled by the EV towing to help boast. There are a couple guys out there that did that with a Tesla and Toyota RAV4. Maybe add Regen to trailer as well.
Great video as always. I’m hoping to trade my ginormous SUV in on a used X later this year, which ironically will mean *more* towing for me as I won’t have the cargo space. I’d love to see someone do a vid on towing a small, low-profile utility trailer or flatbed and see how that compares that big 3000lb (relative) monster. I’m keeping my expectations low, but still, worth the trade off.
Maybe because of the model 3 charging speeds. I hope model Y can tow more and that it can get even better efficiency. Even without the supercharger v3 it charges so fast. How much can the model Y tow?
The only place it’s common to buy a huge expensive pickup instead of a towbar (hitch) is the US. Everyone else in the world just uses a trailer on the rare occasion a load is required. Adding an after purchase tow bar is common, and firms specialise in it. Some people however do tow boats or caravans so Tesla is currently not viable.
Recently went snowboarding with 3 friends. They were disappointed when I drove my Touareg and not the Model 3. Sorry, guys, no room for boards and us in the Model 3. I'd certainly get a towing package just for ability to take bikes / rear rack of bulky stuff.
Trailer is a very catch all term/word. It could be: a camper, flatbed, single/dual or triple axel or even one that weighs more than the car itself, a horse trailer, aerodynamic or not etc..
Time to start making trailers aerodynamic! I would like to know how much the range changes if you used a flatbed type with the same weight or added a faring of sorts to make the front of the trailer cut into the wind instead of effectively a flat wall sticking up and being dragged behind your car.
Thanks so much for this! Have been thinking of doing this with my Model 3. What affect does this have on the warranty? What about the electrical hookup for lights and turn signals? Thanks Ben!
Awesome video. Ben, could you please do a video about Cybertruck towing range estimates? That’s going to be a huge deal if their 300mi range goes down to 150 while towing. That’s horrible in the truck world and I’m really hoping they put a huge battery or new battery tech or gears in the truck to improve this issue. I also live in San Diego and towing a camper or trailer with camping gear on family adventures to Yosemite etc is going to make it break for me and Cybertruck. I also have dirt bikes so my friends and I are anxiously waiting to see what she can do. If it can tow 10,000+ lbs but only go 100 miles that’s basically worthless for trips of any kind. I think Elon has a solution up his sleeve.
Teslas need to add a "towing mode" where the gross weight of the trailer is known, the type of load is selected (bike racks, rear boxes, actual trailers, etc.) so the car can correctly calculate estimated driving distance and also account for the different driving dynamics.
David Watts - exactly! Tow Mode. You need to suggest this on Tesla twitter. Then the software can readjust it’s estimate of range.
Thanks for your video. Yes, you can tow with a Model 3. My wife and I went on our honeymoon last spring, with a Model 3 towing a 1200 Lb. Teardrop trailer. Had the time of our lives going all over the Southwest. 10 weeks and 8,000 miles later, our average was 465 Kwh/mi. Would do it again in a heartbeat.
how do u manage to charge when going on long trips like that?
@@shadmonk we charged overnight at campgrounds, and during the day we stopped at superchargers. By the time we made lunch and used the bathroom, we were charged up.
Sounds like alot of fun 😁 I'm guessing a standard range would not work in that situation.
I saw a guy disconnect his model 3 trailer in seconds, charge up at my supercharger, then attach the trailer back in a minute. It was impressive.
Will glad to see you here.
He's probably had lots of practice if he tows often and far enough. :)
If it was Spring of 2019, it might have been me, LOL.
Towhitches on Model 3 are indeed delivered in Europe... and have been for some time... Mine with a factory fitted towhitch was delivered ind Sept. 2019
My European friend lied to me!
@@BenSullinsOfficial Probably not living in NO/S/DK...
Mine also in sep 2019. st+ model 3 Belgium
@@BenSullinsOfficial I've seen a Model 3 in the Netherlands with a tow-bar mounted bike rack in August last year
Portugal has a few
Consumption depends very much on speed and size of the trailer. Dont go with 65, use 55 mph. Tesla Björn tested a lot of trailers, consumption varies a lot depending on size. And towing in Europe means often max 50 mph...
You keep mentioning the weight of the trailer, but that's less important unless you are in hilly area than the drag coefficient. The power required goes up to the cubed power versus velocity. So going 65 mph on a highway with a trailer is a bad idea, you should be going 55 mph or go on the back roads if you want range.
Right you are. Keeping your speed down, even when not towing, or trying hypermiling techniques can greatly improve mileage distances on battery! I had a Bolt EV until it was totalled, and I was getting 300 miles by just driving more conservatively, or don't Californians know how to do that? LOL
Yes, and that just makes it unrealistic here in the US. If you're not going at least 65 on the interstate you will piss off a lot of other drivers. The problem is aero.
@@rogerheuckeroth7456 Yup, but if speed can be given a secondary importance consider side roads instead of the interstate. It might take you longer, but I have found the drive more enjoyable and interesting to say nothing about how less stressful it is. :)
@@rogerheuckeroth7456 western states have a largely ignored 55 MPH limit when towing!
I towed a 5x8 enclosed U-Haul trailer from Columbia MO to Paso Robles CA with my LR RWD Model 3. I lost a third or 33% of my range. I did not have any problem reaching the next Supercharger and only needed to unhook the trailer once. MANY things impact the range achieved from terrain to wind resistance to ambient temperature. If you need to tow on a regular basis with your Model 3, you will adapt to the reduced range and plan accordingly. When we owned a 5th Wheel RV, we towed it with a gasoline powered truck. We had to adapt frequency of stops because of the extra consumption. Again, we adapted. A Better Route Planner was invaluable when making the above described trip because of its ability to enter the real world consumption results into the trip calculations.
Let me tell you about Norway: We pay so much for the fuel that only a few wants to invest in a large gas guzzling pickup truck, but settle for a reasonable family car or suv, with a toe hitch for those few times when we need to get something really big, and mostly we can get it delivered for a small fee, anyway. The few really big American pickups are usually owned by US car lovers or companies with special deliveries. The toe hitch also gives us the ability to have a camper caravan, for our holidays, but motorhomes gets more popular each year.
also most people own their homes and dont rent, lots of houses with gardens that need maintaining, lots of people also have cabins where they might need to transport stuff over large distances so having a hitch is so important for so many people. before the model X you would constantly hear people say they couldn't have a EV because it doesn't have a hitch.
@@TheMegaLarsen True, as well.
I've seen a lot of Testa towing tests with those bulky, square-shaped trailers, but none with an aerodynamic-shaped one. It should be nice to see how much difference aerodynamics makes.
yes, exactly what i was thinking. just test an empty trailer vs a loaded trailer to see if the problem is wheel friction or aerodynamics
Be nice to see one with an Airstream trailer.
@@mikkellegaardjensen6165 an empty trailer would have much less friction. The right test is with an aerodynamic trailer.
Yeah, an Aero Trailer Test would be great! I wish we could get a trailer hitch for the SR+ here in Canada. We would probably use some kind of rack that Bjorn Nyland tested on the SR+. It would be awesome for road trips.
it wont be much, maybe 25% better
Added a Stealth hitch to my P3D. My results were just about spot on with what Ben experienced. Tweeted Elon concerned about the lack of pull through chargers, especially with the Cybertruck coming.
I got the EcoHitch installed for me a year ago to use my Thule 4-bike rack a couple of times a year. On the highway it took a hit of about 30% on range. I like that it is completely hidden with nothing visible or affecting aerodynamics when not in use.
I have been towing with a MitSubishi PHEV in Washington state north of Seattle. There is not much battery range on the PHEV, but towing at 65 on the freeway is definitely going to eat up the battery. I generally stay off the freeways if I can (use side roads) and tow at 55. It s amazing what difference 10 miles per hour makes. I know Californians like to travel fast, but try slowing down and range will improve a LOT!!
The main thing ive noticed in all tesla and ev reviews are that you have to plan your trip and expect the worst situation to happen in terms of range, and you also have to keep on calculating and plan for the possibilty of changing course to get to a charger if you're using more power than was expected. I guess it makes for a more stressful and much longer long distance trip especially when towing
Our MX P90DL came with the trailer hitch option new. In 4 years I have not connected it once. The 3 times I needed a trailer during that time we used our F-150 to do the towing. The trailer option on the MX is just an emergency backup if ever needed. That said, I guess I need to connect it and pull a trailer just to check that everything is working properly. I just felt that it being a Tesla that of course it would work the first time and every time. Just sharing our story.
With my used 2015 Nissan Leaf, I am able to haul a small amount of firewood. This is possible because it is a hatchback and I don't have to haul the wood far. The interior is also a black cloth. This allows dust and dirt to not show up.
My wife and I are about to take a long road trip in our Tesla model 3 dual motor and our dirt bikes.
From Akron to Moab!
We've pulled them to a place we ride about 30 miles away a couple of times now, but hard to get an average of stats that way. It didn't seem too bad, about 20 worse w/hrs per mile.
Wish us good travels! : )
I’ve had a Model 3 with tow hitch in Europe for >9 months
So do I...
Someone was wrong lol I guess people in Europe do have it now.
what trailer do you have?
@@YansMallas Brenderup
Came to watch after Ben said no one watched this video on OLF. I'm here for you ;-).
Thank you 🙏
I didn't even know it dropped. UA-cam is dumb sometimes
Same here, as a huuuge data geek I’m loving the Chanel so far (working my way backwards through OLF)
Thank you for the bit at the 7:00 mark. Im in the market to replace my pickup with a tesla given the distance I commute to work, but still want to race motorcycles on the weekends and the possibility of pulling a trailer has been top of my mind in if it will be feasible or not. This and the Engineering Explained video are helping a ton.
Trailers are great. Not all vehicles are meant for all purposes. But for occasional use, I think this is fantastic. There are also small light weight trailers for motorcycles that can be used but that just adds another trunk. Trailer efficiency (aerodynamics and rolling friction) and keeping a proper tongue weight are all important in doing a successful trailer pull! Good vid, keep it up! -- btw my Smart ForTwo ED gets 3.4 to 4 mi/kwh for normal driving. 2.6 is the worst I have seen in my using HVAC and going through the hills around here. ... So at your 78% efficiency you are getting about 4mi/kwh. But my little car is NOT aerodynamic at all but still great fun for a first 'toy' EV (it was also cheap!). Also the trailer you were pulling could only be made worse by putting a 4x8 plywood on the rear as more of a wind brake. A teardrop trailer with smooth undercarriage weighing the same would be an interesting comparison.
I live in Europe, and my family owns a trailer for over 30 years now. We use it to old junk to the junkyard, furniture and other big or dirty stuff. Here the speed limit with a trailer is 80 Km/h or about 50 mph even on highways. Drag is the biggest drain on your batteries, and just dropping from 65 mph to 50 makes the consumption go down a lot, even in ICE cars.
Tow hitch mounted bike racks are common in Europe - much more efficient than putting bikes on the roof. We're slowly getting into pickups / utes / trucks (depending on your country) but as working vehicles as an alternative to vans (Transit / VW T6 etc)
Just got a 2020 Tesla Model Y, Two Motor, Long Range Battery with Factory Class 2 Hitch and Roof Rack.
How heavy a trailer can it tow?
This model is rated for 3,500 lbs. T@B is 14 feet and only 1,800 lbs. dry weight.
Pulling this trailer Reduces Tesla Range (311miles) an average of over 40%.
Can go about 100 to 130 miles on a full charge.
But long-range distance travel is easily doable with Tesla online trip/charger planning. Also can use other charging networks in a pinch. Staying in a park or camp site with power helps. Most destination are level 2 and not much help.
Happy Tesla Trailering.
It's about time someone does this
In Germany we have "trailer" spots at the supercharger sides, also the model 3 with the tow hitch got delivered end of last year already tho its only available for Longrange and Standart
Many places in Europe (or maybe just the UK) limit speed while towing. This is one of the reasons why the same car has a higher tow rating in Europe than it would in North America.
I had a the EcoHitch installed for $770 including the hitch and all parts and labor and I use it for a bike rack, Best addition to the car! My CT will be for towing a camper!
I installed mine for $400. did you add wiring for trailer lights?
The hitch alone is $400. I paid someone to install it. I did not add the wiring...yet.
I can confirm Tow-hitch model 3 in europe. My dad took delivery of his in mid december.works fine, we towed a huge box container with a consumption of 280wh/km at speeds of up to 90 km/h
One of the first things I did when I bought my Chevy Volt was installed a hitch so I can carry my bikes to races in the mountains or other states like Wyoming. It does cut down on a little aerodynamics but it has worked for six plus years now
tow hitch is awesome!
I have a Model 3 in Ireland (Feb 2020) and got it with a tow hitch. It's pretty nifty.
My M3 (September 2019, Switzerland) has a tow hitch (removable).
Interesting issue regarding having to unhitch the trailer to supercharge. Maybe they should design them so that you can pull in and drive off (i.e. a clear area in front of and behind) the charger, like a petrol station?
Some are like that, but I don't think it was intentional
Great video, thank you. We live in Chicago but just happened to drive past that man-made, indoor ski hill @5:18 last month near Schipol airport!
Thanks for your vid. For me towing was one of the unknowns. I was gonna get model y, but now I know that it will suck for towing... Thank you for saving my money
Got a P3D- with a tow hitch since september 2019 (Belgium), best of the two worlds :).
But recently got a system warning (red sign)...lot of water going into the electrical plug (oriented downward).
Following vehicle's certificate, the maximum limit on tow hitch is 25kg (verticaly) and 500kg in traction.
Less than a LR (750..900kg?).
P with tow hitch is not possible... Maybe you have a Base P :)
@@elmoo88 it's also called a stealth, go check around. It's a perf without the perf package (lowered, brakes, 20" and spoiler). From time to time some were available during 2019 "in stock".
I have track mode and a tow hitch 😘
Some campgrounds have 30-50A power at RV spots. You could charge with an adapter. I believe Jehu has used campground power on his Samba.
Would be a real hassle here in the midwest chargers and camp grounds can be a whole lot more then 70 miles away. But when we use a trailer were more likely pulling something way heavier then 3000 lbs so a pickup is still required. Hope the Tesla CyberTruck has better towing capabilities. Most trailers here are generally the Goose-neck style pulling 3 or 4 tons isn't uncommon.
As far as I can tell, the more aerodynamically efficient the vehicle, the greater the relative hit of adding external accessories or a trailer.
This is a great point, thank you for making me aware of it. The incredible range teslas get these days is incredibly fragile. Batteries are still dogshit compared to gas in terms of the energy/weight ratio. The only way EVs are scraping by is because of their incredible efficiency. From now on, when I think of what I will use my future tesla for, I will think thrice if its even physically possible.
@@madskillz1o1 Watching youtube videos and talking to tesla owners I did realize that THERE IS a lack of real-world range. I mean, just look how every single tesla owner has a lot of excuse when actually driving. Model 3's battery weighs half a ton AND holds only 2 gallon of gas worth of energy.
Done it on a MS85 in Oz...short distance mainly.not an issue for range but ..however as a comparison nice to see the losses on a comparable ICE car...thinking no one has done that before as the metering for Mileage has not been as good enough in the past....
I'll do a test when I get my Model Y. Although I don't plan on towing very far with that. Until the Cybertruck comes in, I will be towing with a diesel truck. One thing that does not make a lot of sense with all the tests that I have seen is that a truck may go from 18 mpg to 12 MPG when towing which is about 66%, but most of the EV tests that I have seen have the EVs take much bigger hits in efficiency. Does not bode well for getting rid of diesel trucks in the near term in my opinion.
When I first heard of the Cybertruck my first thought was yes I can finally justify buying a truck and 29’ Travel trailer. Unfortunately that’s not a thing... yet. Between your data and TFL the fast lane trucks article about range towing a heavy trailer it sounds like a nightmare. I’d only really want to be able to tow about 150 miles with the CyberTruck but even with the triple motor long range I don’t think I could even get to the coast and back or to the mountains and back with a 7500# travel trailer. Hope the future makes this more realistic
With a 2,000 lb travel trailer, like a T@B, you might be able to do that distance just fine.
TeNgaere it’s the might that is a problem. I can buy a Ram or Ford for the $60k the Cybertruck costs and have no range issues. My hope was to have a fun efficient vehicle for around town and car trips without trailer that could also tow a travel trailer short distances... just not that short.
Not sure what to think at this point as I preordered 500+ range Cybertruck hoping to build a truck camper and tow a small trailer with all the toys ( dirt bikes, bicycles, portable kitchen, etc).
So do we need for some one to develop a trailer platform with additional battery storage/capacity?
Will the truck have ability to be changed from secondary battery bank.
Should we start a separate discussion regarding this topic?
@@MyUtubeScott Great thought about pulling extra batteries on a trailer. I wonder if that'd be a net gain (extra weight towed) or a net loss due to the extra weight. I'd think net gain, but it's really hard to say. Plus the trailer would be pretty spendy with a full powerwall or two on the bottom. On the bright side, you could have it be a pop-up trailer and put a full high-watt panel on the roof which could be moved and angled at the sun while at your destination to re-charge if only slightly.
When you use an f150 etc. the fuel economy doesn't get worse...does it?? They don't have dual fuel tank options for no reason ! ! !
In NZ we love towing things, sedan and trailer or ute etc. Very common at least half of all cars I would estimate have a tow bar (though I imagine that is dropping with new car purchases now days).
This is perfect timing. I've been researching other people who have installed a hitch to tow trailers.
The other difference between Europe and the US is that many European countries forbid most aftermarket changes to your vehicle, including adding a tow hitch. That being the case, you've got to have the car manufacturer add it or its not legal.
I did it(install hitch) with my Tesla Model 3. The plan is to do 2 mountain bikes on a bike rack, then ultimately my dirt bike, my street bike, my electric mountain bike on a trailer W/Honda Generator EU2200i. Total weight will be about 1200 lbs. Look me up.
Another advantage of pulling a camping trailer is you can easily find campsites with full hookups. A NEMA 14-50 outlet will charge a Model 3 at ~26 miles per hour.
Unfortunately if you are towing anything of any real size (like, for instance, for camping) you'll get a third of that in real world range.
My use case would be some version of the Cybertruck pulling a 30-foot gooseneck with 5-8 large round bales (1800 lbs each). My source of hay is typically 30 to 60 miles away, and I'm in central Nebraska. Between lack of infrastructure in rural Nebraska and the range in such cases, I'll likely be dumping fuel in the super duty for a while yet.
I left my house to go camping not towing anything. Just me in the car and my cargo area full of camping gear. I drove 123 miles up the mountains to my campsite. I left the house with a full charge of 310, I got to my campsite 123 miles later and only had 95 miles left on my charge. I used 215 charge miles to go 123 driving miles. it was up hill most of the way from 1400ft to 7800ft elevation. On the return trip down hill most of the way I used 66 charge miles to go the 123 miles return trip. I asked myself if I was towing a small trailer I probably would not make it without stopping and charging somewhere on the way. I would have no doubt the return trip I would make it. I guess the point is I can't tow a small trailer going up the mountain without stopping for a charge.
You can rent various kinds of trailers at most gasstations in The Netherlands. Pretty easy when you need to transport stuff that does not fit into your car. There people driving pick up trucks like Ford or Dodge, but they are not common. A few days a guy drove his white big Ford pick up truck into city hall of my local town. Must have been angry at some city employee or the major 😂
Just came back from The Netherlands and agree, you all use trailers instead of SUV's and pickup trucks.
Unfortunately long distance towing is still the Achilles heel of EVs, especially Teslas. Teslas get a large part of their efficiency from aerodynamics, reduced vehicle weight and reduced rolling resistance. Add back poor aerodynamics, increased weight and increased rolling resistance by adding a trailer to your package and yes, your mileage will suffer significantly. The reduced efficiency is hardly noticeable in a gas or diesel guzzler because it's already so inefficient that adding a little more goes largely undetected.
You hit the nail on the head. To make a BEV tow vehicle there is no getting around the need for a massive pool of energy and that's going to be a massive battery pack.
Exactly!
Hi, you show a clip of someone towing a camper but don't seem to credit the source. Could you let me know what this is so I could take a look please?
I've had my hitch for a year and noticed immediately traveling to Mammoth with our e-mtn bikes that it most definitely cuts into the range. You also receive a constant warning that your rear sensors aren't available. Tesla should add a setting to allow for a bike rack or towing to correct this.
5:07 That Norway thing. I think ordinary drivers sign up to a delivery service. Bjorn Nyland in the pic used to do it a lot, but I think he eventually stopped. Sadly, I've forgotten what he used to call it. I believe it works like this - if drivers are taking a road trip in a particular direction, they can take parcels and deliver them on the way, and it helps pay for the trip. It's quite a cool thing, but as far as I can see, it relies a lot on honesty. Then again, it everyone is mutually honest, everyone benefits.
BTW Ben, I was interested to read your introduction piece "The Lightning Rods" in the new Fully Charged Guidebook to EVs and Clean Energy. 👍
Great video. You should do the exact same test with a comparable gasoline car and see what kind of efficiency loss you get on that as well. The range suffers on those too. It is not like gasoline cars can tow without requiring more energy.
The difference for a gas car is that the only issue you have to deal with is increased cost. You use more fuel towing, but it will not limit where you can go and if you can make it somewhere. It will not make a significant difference, if any, in the amount of time to get there either. If the nearest charger is 130 miles away and you need to go 100 miles then return home what will you do? Many scenarios with other distances between chargers, if it is cold, have a steep incline into a headwind you might never make it to the next charger. Or will have to stop at every charger because you'll never make it to the next one which means drive an hour and a half, charge an hour (remember, with your range only a third to a half you'll need to charge to 100% (not 80%) in order to make it) and hope you don't have to share one or wait for one. On a 700 mile trip one way then 700 miles back think of how much longer and trouble it would be in an ev than in a gas vehicle that might have to stop for 3-5 minutes two times extra at a multitude of gas stations of choice whenever they wanted (not when the have to). That's the difference.
@@stupidas9466 Well said. I wonder if we will ever get to change everything to electric or some applications will have to stay with IC engines...
EV owners shouldn't complain about the reduction in distance when towing. It happens with my Tacoma all the time. If I drive carefully I can get ~22mpg on the highway but when I'm towing a trailer (usually in the 2000-lb range) my range drops in half. I'm lucky to get 11-12mpg, reducing my speed and using my gears properly. The only way I see this issue addressed for EVs would be to have a partially powered trailer to supplement the vehicle powertrain. Yes, that would increase the cost of the trailer but I see it as a second locomotive when pulling a long train.
Can’t get OEM bar in Australia yet or wiring harness. There is a good opportunity to have a regen trailer brake system for the cyber truck.
Great video mate. I am in the UK and just got my M3LR with Tow Hitch. This was a helpful video and going to purchase a trailer for camping etc. I sold the family BMW X5, so a trailer seems logical!!!
The manual says towing is not recommended. Wont this void the drivetrain warranty?
OWalter14 in ...Ive seen many authorities stating that America, altering the vehicle only voids the warranty if it can be shown that the problem with the car was caused by the unauthorized action.
Did you look into what kind of gross vehicle weight the Model 3 would be able to handle with a tow hitch? It has the power to pull stuff, but what kind of weight can the actual car handle?
Do you still not get the tow hitch in the US at this time? Jan 2021. That would be ironic since mine has it and is US made (I live in Sweden). To me it makes sense to at least give the option for all markets regardless.
What wiring did you use for the taillights? What is the best solution there for brake lights?
I often drive my Model X 100D with a big (but quite aerodynamic) trailer and 2 racing bikes from Switzerland to Spain or Italy. I get about 210 km range, which is not ideal, but allows to hop to the next Superchargers here in Europe.
Therefore: not ideal yet but clearly feasible also for long trip once you get used to it :)
Great video! My family works with someone who owns a model 3 performance that is red. Great videos you have. Have a great day Ben Sullins.
i live in Europe and i would get the tow hitch. not only because of camping and or shopping furniture but in my future i would like to build my own house and having the option to get a trailer to tow lumber or something like that around would be great... but it would be limited use.
They have delivered Model 3 with tow hitch in Europe since May last year. I got mine yesterday with a tow hitch.
If you want photos/video let me know. The hook itself is removable with a key and comes in a nice bag.
Guys at TFL had the same issue with the MX, long distance towing mostly unrealistic at this point, Tesla will have to address this by the time Cybertruck's are rolling down the hwy.
They already have...600mi range for a 150mi trip. Ok?
Thanks for testing this. Very interesting and a sneak peek into how the Cyber Truck will fair.
I got my model 3 about a week ago and the tow hitch was in the trunk. The tow hitch was optional and I live in Iceland
I have been towing my sled in -20C weather. Range is around 200-220km
Another excellent video but, IMHO, it would be more convenient if you would use "miles per kWh" or at least show the conversion in subtitles. For me 3.215 miles/kWh is easier to work with, especially when quickly calculating range in my head, than is 311 Wh/mile. Coming from the ICE world people are conditioned to think in "distance units per energy units" (as in MPG), than it is for the opposite. Not a big deal, just a thought. Anyway, I'm surprised that your Model 3 averages only 3.2 miles/kWh. after 60k miles my wife's Leaf has an average of 4.2 miles/kWh. You must live in a mountainous area.
I don’t have the Kerge to make a cut in an expensive bumper like that. The factory should make a cut out so it’s easy to do.
I wonder if we will see an update to this as cybertruck comes closer or once it’s released, I’d think that not updating your range calculations for a trailer would be a huge problem for a truck
Do you think the Cybertruck will be similar to your findings? I’m in Utah with mountains. In my Spark EV I use about 14-15 miles coming home from work which is 21 miles.
Good test. I was looking for that. If you guys could drop the miles so we can all speak to each other without conversions it would be neat ..... :)
TY for sharing, I am not a trailer guy , so my first thought has been .. how much mpg and therefor mileage to you get out of an ICE car while towing that load ? please Free the data :-)
This is one of the reasons I’m starting to second guess My future purchase of a cypertruck. I run a landscape business and haul many different types of size trailers and weights. Even with the 500mile cypertruck the range wouldn’t be enough towing. Sadly this is where I think having some hydrogen vehicles would be helpful since they can be quickly refilled. Only problem is there’s no network of stations yet.
wait and see, still tons of details we don't know about the cybertruck
Teslanomics with Ben Sullins but we do know that the cybertruck won't be towing 500 miles. Nor 400, and i would highly doubt 300. Physics is physics and cost is cost, and neither tesla nor any other ev manufacturer is going to be able to provide the quantity of batteries needed on a platform robust enough to tow 10,000+ lbs for any great distance in the real world (350+miles) at a cost of $50-60k.
Rented a trailer for my spark EV the other day. So nice.
I think the electric towing issue is def a problem for the cars, I hope that the trucks will be a bit better. I think someone should build cargo and other hauling trailers with battery packs and possibly add motor that is controlled by the EV towing to help boast. There are a couple guys out there that did that with a Tesla and Toyota RAV4. Maybe add Regen to trailer as well.
The solution is simple. Bigger battery on the tow vehicle. If they had an option for a 1000 mile rated Cybertruck, I would buy it.
Love the math been wondering about the cybertruck definitely getting the 500+ range 😎🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️
Great video as always. I’m hoping to trade my ginormous SUV in on a used X later this year, which ironically will mean *more* towing for me as I won’t have the cargo space. I’d love to see someone do a vid on towing a small, low-profile utility trailer or flatbed and see how that compares that big 3000lb (relative) monster. I’m keeping my expectations low, but still, worth the trade off.
I am curious what will happen with the Telsa truck since it should be able to carry stuff
Most trailers are so square in front, they just work as a huge air brake for you, compared to the Tesla which is very airflow effecive.
i have a Model 3 with tow hitch in Denmark since Sept. 2019
Maybe because of the model 3 charging speeds. I hope model Y can tow more and that it can get even better efficiency. Even without the supercharger v3 it charges so fast. How much can the model Y tow?
The only place it’s common to buy a huge expensive pickup instead of a towbar (hitch) is the US. Everyone else in the world just uses a trailer on the rare occasion a load is required. Adding an after purchase tow bar is common, and firms specialise in it. Some people however do tow boats or caravans so Tesla is currently not viable.
I thought you said there would be a link to your hitch kit in the show notes, but I don't see one???
there now, sorry!
We're going to run into this problem this summer. I won't do it, but I'll have someone else install it.
Recently went snowboarding with 3 friends. They were disappointed when I drove my Touareg and not the Model 3. Sorry, guys, no room for boards and us in the Model 3. I'd certainly get a towing package just for ability to take bikes / rear rack of bulky stuff.
My problem with a bike rack on the tow hitch is that the bike interferes with the rear camera.
Great video Ben - I hope to be over your way in a few months setting up rental ops - any chance I can rent your 3 for a few weeks?
We do need a tow bar for the tip run and the occasional camping trips. So a car for us would not be useful unless it can tow a trailer
Trailer is a very catch all term/word. It could be: a camper, flatbed, single/dual or triple axel or even one that weighs more than the car itself, a horse trailer, aerodynamic or not etc..
Hey Ben, I didn't see a link to the Model 3 hitch you showed in the video notes.
doh! just added it, thanks for catching that
Here in Denmark I hear about a lot of deliveries of model 3's with a tow hitch for a while now.
Looking to pull with the Model Y. No info that I have found yet.
What about the electrical plug for the trailer? It is not compulsory in the US?
I custom installed that, there are kits available online now
Time to start making trailers aerodynamic!
I would like to know how much the range changes if you used a flatbed type with the same weight or added a faring of sorts to make the front of the trailer cut into the wind instead of effectively a flat wall sticking up and being dragged behind your car.
Thanks so much for this! Have been thinking of doing this with my Model 3. What affect does this have on the warranty? What about the electrical hookup for lights and turn signals? Thanks Ben!
I saw some folks online that found an after market brake light hookup. We custom wired mine
@@BenSullinsOfficial what about the warranty?
Awesome video. Ben, could you please do a video about Cybertruck towing range estimates? That’s going to be a huge deal if their 300mi range goes down to 150 while towing. That’s horrible in the truck world and I’m really hoping they put a huge battery or new battery tech or gears in the truck to improve this issue. I also live in San Diego and towing a camper or trailer with camping gear on family adventures to Yosemite etc is going to make it break for me and Cybertruck. I also have dirt bikes so my friends and I are anxiously waiting to see what she can do. If it can tow 10,000+ lbs but only go 100 miles that’s basically worthless for trips of any kind. I think Elon has a solution up his sleeve.
Yes! I can't wait to tow with my Model Y! I'm happy to take it slow and enjoy the trip.
Which trim is this cat? Can you tow with model 3 standard ? Thanks