Ben Hogan - Ball Position - Part 1
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- In part 1 we study Ben Hogan and Ball position. If you want to see the full series of Ben Hogan videos head over to our Playlist section and choose Ben Hogan The Lost Fundamentals of Hogan to see all 17 videos.
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That drawing finally explained. Thanks.
Glad it helped!
My 17 year old son started golfing 2 years ago, and read this book, and now won his PGA jr state championships! It works! He has Won over 20 Golf Tournaments in high school and around the country!
👏👏👏
Hi Coach, thanks for your feedback. It sounds like your boy is making rapid progress!
I think the “Radial Ball Position” and “Aiming the Shaft” will really help his journey.
Kind regards,
Luther.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🏆Congratulation!!! greetings from Santiago Chile 🇨🇱
Thank you - I trust your boy is enjoying life and that his game is developing well. God bless - Luther 😇👍🏌️♂️
Hi Mo - have you followed all of my “Lost Fundamentals of Hogan” DVD?
If not it’s in the playlist section of my UA-cam channel’s front page.
Like you, I’m sure Mr.Hogan had many secrets (some of which applied to him)
You’ve clarified the Hogan alignment very, very well. Thank you.
Thank you Evan for your kind comment. I’m glad you liked it and wishing you a very Happy New Year!
Luther,
Don’t know that I have the ability to put this into practice but I love the clarity of your explanation , and your production values.
Thanks TrueBlue222 - thank you for your feedback.
I’m 100% sure you can apply this to good effect. The key is to set up absolutely parallel and then “move round the circle”.
It also helps to use a 3-wood off a tee for draw and Driver off a low tee for fade.
Remember also to focus on “sending” a fade and “shaping” a draw.
I’m sure this will work for you - kind regards, Luther.
That just cleared up a bunch for me thanks. Ive struggled with this one thing particularly, and it can be a real pain. Awesome video.
Three things need to be considered to understand the two approaches: 1) as clubs length change so does the angle of the hosel and shaft when the club is resting at its nominal loft angle; 2) if you open or close the stance where your arm and hands bottom out in the swing RELATIVE TO THE POSITION OF FRONT FOOT changes, and: 3) as clubs get longer they take more time to rotate down around the hands to the ball.
When using a constant parallel stance the lead arm and hand will bottom out in their swing arc at the same place relative to the front foot. That being the case if you want to deliver the golf club to the ball at its nominal loft angle the club head will be different distances away from the body and behind the front foot due for different clubs due to the differences in shaft length and hosel/shaft angle. That is why as hosel / shaft angle increases as club are more lofted with shorter shafts the variable that changes to ensure consistent swing action is the BALL POSITION RELATIVE TO FRONT FOOT. The simple way to prove his is to keep swing mechanics constant in terms of where hands bottom out in swing arc relative to front foot and observe where each club positioned at nominal loft hits the ground. The inconsistent variable golfers create if using constant parallel stance and constant ball position (as suggested by Nicklaus) is that they don’t deliver the club to the ball at its nominal loft/shaft/hosel angle. In order to make contact with the ball placed near front heel they must deliver the shorter clubs with shafts more vertical than nominal adding loft to the club in the process.
In Hogan’s method the variable which changes with club is the stance angle: parallel for mid-iron (e.g. 7i), closed for longer, open for shorter. What you will observe when doing that is the position of the hands at the bottom of their swing arc, relative to the position of front foot, changes. When you close the stance the hands will bottom out in their arc further back from the front foot than when parallel and when stance is opened the hands bottom out closer to the front foot. Why did Hogan do this? Review point #3 above. He realized that the longer shafted clubs take longer to swing down around the hands to impact than the shorter ones and require a wider swing arc. Closing and the opening the stance allowed Hogan to keep his swing mechanics the same; where hands were at impact relative to body when club swung down around them for all clubs. The closed stance put hands further back from fixed ball ball position as club head whipped around them on the longer shafts, the open stance moved the hands closer to the fixed ball position with the change in stance compensating for the differences in shaft length by moving position of hands bottoming out in their arc further back or closer to ball. This can be see by observation and experimentation which is how I figured it out.
If you have a chronic slice or fade action on shots with longer clubs try keeping the swing mechanics and ball position the same by closing the stance relative to target (which will also require a face adjustment closed a bit and aiming a bit more inside of center on the ball). It should help straighten out the shots by moving your hands back relative to the ball through impact. It works because what puts slice / fade spin on a ball is usually the result of the hands being too far forward at impact and the hands pushing the face open.
Very complicated for me
Best video on this I have ever seen!
I never tire of watching Mr. Hogan swing a golf club. Pure artistry, pure magic!
Oh thank you, Luther! I remember seeing this 50 years ago when I started playing golf for the very first time, and you’re definitely correct on the confusing part and stance itself is not boxed like what it described in the picture.
I've been teaching Ben Hogan's book/method for over 40 years. Luther Blacklock's explanation is exactly what I have been saying. Of the two schools on ball position, this one, Ben Hogan's, is better because you aren't moving the ball all over the place. Your body gets used to the ball being in one place and then you adjust your swing to the lie (up hill, down hill, side hill, and special wedges).
Hi Golfhound - thank you for your kind feedback and I’m delighted you enjoyed this specific video.
Thanks for subscribing- please tell all your friends and pupils.
Kind regards,
Luther.
I'm 50 yrs old and been golfing since I was 12. My first lessons were based on these principles. Since then I have added my own twist to things and developed some bad habits over the years. After watching this yesterday I went to the range and applied these principles to my game along with a change in my grip. I'm happy to say my driver is straightened out and longer than before and my irons are going straight. Thanks for posting this!
Hi Kevin / as a Coach it is so rewarding to get such feedback and to hear that subscribers are able to take the info on board and then take it to the course.
I believe that the “Radial” ball position is still one of golfs hidden secrets.
Keep us informed as to your progress,
Kind regards,
Luther
Hi Kevin - thanks for your interesting feedback.
One point - if the ball is constant left heel or left armpit. If the stance then narrows it in effect moves the ball
back in the stance.
Wishing you a great golfing season in 2024,
Kind regards, Luther,
You're a genius. I have read that book a 100 times and never saw how the close and open stance made it progressive. THANKS!
Glad it helped!
Brilliant explanation, this makes so much sense! Highly appreciated.
You're very welcome!
Another fantastic video.
Clearly and simply explained 👍
Glad you liked it!
Love the persimmon wood. I have a new TSR 2 driver. It’s much harder working the ball right to left and vice versa. Maybe even more so with the newer game improvement irons today.
So much has made sense since I found this, similarly Steve Elkington talked about chipping opposite the left heel and not back in the stance in a YT video. Its been a real light bulb moment for me. Thank you !
to clarify, Elk shows how with a narrow stance it looks like the ball is back in the stance, but if you take the right leg away its opposite the left heel always as the stance is open.
Hi Mark - thanks for your kind feedback - I’m glad to switch on the light for you. The Elk is one of my heroes - unusual to have a great player who is also a great coach.
VERY creative! I love that you're using an old wood head driver. Can you imagine if Mr. Hogan and the other greats of his day had today's clubs/balls??!!!!
Great video! Very well produced. There is also a third school of thought. You position the ball in your stance according to the lie you have. If the ball is sitting down in the rough, play it back. If it's a tight lie in the fairway maybe center of the stance. If you're in the first cut where the ball is sitting up a little, play it a little more forward. If it's on a tee play it off your left heel. If the wind is behind you and you want to hit it extra high, tee it up higher and play it off your left toe, etc... and anything in between. 😁
Wonderfully done video here! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!
Glad you enjoyed it!
in my 60s and why am I only finding this out now?!? off to try it out.
Every Success. Let us know how you got on.
Very well explained … I just ordered this book and it didn’t make sense till u explained it I’m gonna read it again and give this another go … we’ll done
Light goes off!! Awesome thanks
Hi Badge - I’m glad you found the clip helpful; thanks for the feedback too👍
I used to play to a 4 hcp and the best golf that I ever followed reading Hogan's book and playing with Powerbilt Persimmon woods, Hogan Apex PC irons from the mid 80s, and balata balls.
I learned to become a champion golfer by reading and following Ben Hogan's teachings of Power Golf !!!!!!!! Illustrations of Ben Hogan's swing and even putting stroke in Power Golf was the absolute best teaching method in the world of golf. Every beginning golfer should follow Ben Hogan's style of playing golf.
Hi William - thank you for your encouraging feedback and that you are a fan of the great man.
Have you seen my playlist with my “Lost Fundamentals of Hogan“ DVD ?
Wishing you a great golfing season in 2024 - Kind regards
Luther
Super video, thank you. I love your respect by calling him ‘Mr Hogan’. Nice touch.
Thank you very much!
What a beautiful summary! Thank you
Hello Jay - thank you for your encouraging feedback- I trust your
scores are improving!
Kind regards,
Luther.
I am senior high handicap golfer. I have just used this foot position and my driver is now going straight and my 5 irons has a slight draw! (Never been able to draw before even after a course of lessons last year)
Fantastic Keep at it and enjoy my lessons. Take a look at the playlists might be useful for you
Great video great lesson and Mr Hogan was probably the greatest ball striker.
Indeed!
Don’t miss the approach on setup. 2 hands on the club, slightly open feeling shoulder and arm triangle. Left elbow on the side of the torso at bottom of rib cage. Right arm higher at wrists and elbow slightly more in front, forearms even. No reaching with left or right arms but fully extended without locking. Good video representation.
Very clear explanation, thanks Luther
Glad you liked it
Great channel all round... Quality
Hi “German” - thank you for your kind remarks and for subscribing - Luther
Great visual!!!
Thanks Ed for your kind feedback - I hope it leads to better results on the golf course,
Kind regards,
Luther.
Couple of solid swings there!
Thank you Johan - trust you are finding the videos helpful.
Kind regards,
Luther.
As a beginner, I read Mr Hogan's book and also Lesson Tee by Jack Nicklaus. Both advocate a constant ball position at the left heel, so I too learned to play this way. It worked great when I was young but after I turned 50 it became increasingly difficult to play the ball at the left heel (except driver and woods). Now my ball position is progressive. David Leadbetter says in his book that you should always place the ball across from your left armpit. That only worked for me for the driver; for the narrow wedge stance the ball feels like it is waaay out there towards the target. One more point: While visually it is easiest to align the ball relative to your feet, in reality what matters more is where the ball is in relation to your upper body.
Hi Vivek - thank you for your interesting feedback and thoughtful points.
One point - a ball constant left heel or left armpit - if you narrow the stance it effectively moves the ball back in the stance. Widening the stance effectively
moves the ball forward forward in the stance.
Thanks for subscribing- much appreciated- Luther
@@lutherblacklockgolfcom absolutely correct. Thanks.
Very good point about the ball position in relation to a line drawn across the toes.
Hi jonknust9784 - thanks for your encouraging feedback and wishing you a very Happy New Year - Luther.
Great video, not only educational, but also entertainment-wise 👌
Thanks Thomas 👍🏌️♂️😇
Once I realized what you did here!!! hahaha very thankful for you! also you explain it so well.
Had just played and was given this realization for my own game after watching your video!
Thanks Cdub for your encouraging feedback and for subscribing. I’m always thrilled to hear that my videos are helping golfers on the course. Keep it going!
Kind regards,
Luther.
Makes sense. Cool optics.
Thanks Tony for your kind feedback and I’m glad you like the way in which we shot these Hogan videos.
Wishing you a very Happy Christmas and great golf in the New Year!
Luther.
Cool production.
Thank you - it was quite an investment!
Excellent presentation! I’ve read and reviewed this wonderful book many times and have followed Mr. Hogan’s guidance for a number of years. Your demonstration of his foot position principles is spot on. The initial address “Constant” brings the proper squaring up for direction and the “Progressive” position allows for proper swing movement.
Thank you for this excellent video!
Hi Alan- thanks for your encouraging feedback. I’m glad you find the content interesting and also fully understand the content.
Appreciate your subscribing- God bless, Luther
My favorite was @ 2:00...The line up across his nuttt..toes.....hahahahaha!!!
You beat me to the punch. Thought that was what I heard also, so I checked the comments to see if anyone else caught that. Lol.
@@daneedler Lol....
Brilliant...thank you.
great explanation love it! I wonder what mr hogan would think about my jumbomax ultralight grips and one-length irons
Mr Hogan was a Guinness! It's undeniable! I have read his book several times and learn something each time I do! Thank you for your video and congratulations on your breakthrough insight!
I always thought of Hogan as more of an Amstel.
@@tomgrady6383 By all means yes drink to the champion!
@@georgerickard4864 You mean champignon?!
Well reading Hogans book hasn’t improved your spelling , Hogan may have been a golfing genius but a “Guinness “ I don’t think so !!
Very nice video - thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Well done
I used to try to follow that book, but I couldn't get it. Hogan is my favorite golfer of all. That ending of the video where there's three of you hitting and the music is so cool.
Hi Steve - thanks for your encouraging feedback, I’m glad you like my “triple” exposure” of my homage to Mr. Hogan.
Wishing you a very Happy Christmas and great golf in 2024!
Luther.
Discovered this channel a couple weeks ago and am learning how to hit shots, thank you. My question in regards to the radial ball position is do the shoulders change angle according to the change in position of the feet? Thank you kind sir.
Hi Mark - thank you for your question and feedback,
Because the ball position is “progressive” the level of the shoulders is therefore progressive.
For the right handed that means the shoulders are fairly level with a wedge, inclined with a 6-iron and most inclined
with a Driver.
By inclined I mean left shoulder higher than the right.
The right shoulder is always going to be a touch lower than the left shoulder due to the right hand being below the left hand.
Kind regards and thanks for subscribing - please tell all your golfing friends about my channel 😊🏌️♂️👍
If all else fails, read the instructions. Part B) after the diagram is NOT what he said. Everyone please read the book- pages 106-107. It was said in simplistic terms. The diagram in the closing pages of Lessons is explained simply, the shorter the arc, the less time to clear the left hip (short irons). He opened his feet and hips to give them a head start to clear the hips with shorter irons shorter arc. He explained in this situation, accuracy was more important than power. The 5 iron was the tipping point one way or the other. Stance at shoulder width, square- right foot not restricting a full backswing, thus the arc was just long enough that there would be enough time to clear the hips. For longer irons through the driver, he pulled his right foot back to help make the fullest backswing with the upper body pulling the hips with minimal restriction- the hips indeed were already setup fractionally turned back . Due to the longer arc, there was more time to rotate through and clear the hips- taking advantage of increased power longer irons and woods required, without giving up the woeful “head start” he created by pushing his right foot forward (thus starting the hip turn back by the hips being partially turned back away from the target before the swing began). Please note his live swings, his upper body was lined where he wanted to start it regardless of the lower body being open or closed. It’s in the book. Let’s not manipulate what Mr. Hogan painstakingly described by not truly and accurately explaining what he was saying and manipulating what he so freely gave to us to fit a personal narrative. This is in fact, why he never told all the other things he felt were either fundamental or otherwise useful- because he knew they’d be misunderstood. This I know for a fact through my mentor, Larry Nelson, who spent a great deal of time with Mr. Hogan at Shady Oaks and was told many things never written- for which some have been graciously passed on to me from Mr. Hogan to Larry or Lee Trevino, whom Mr. Hogan also spent a lot of time with and was close with Larry as well. My swing lineage is quite direct to Mr. Hogan himself with small degrees of separation. For the same reason, I will go to my grave not telling what I know Mr. Hogan had to say I inherited. It will be misused as it it is here because he couldn’t or wouldn’t fully explain it to the masses so it would be misunderstood, thus be harmful. Mr. Hogan did have his “secrets”, they will remain so for the 99.999%. This is fundamental teaching malpractice. This is what Mr. Hogan feared.
Dear Michael - thank you for your feedback and I appreciate your deep knowledge of Mr. Hogan.
There is so much information surrounding Mr. Hogan and the vast majority of readers of his book will be unaware of the intricacies that you are.
All I can do is comment on MrHogan’s teaching as written and illustrate.
A case in point is Mr. Hogan’s “pane of glass” on Page 78 - the glass is resting on his shoulders. Yet, he confirms on page 79 that the swing plane runs from the ball THROUGH the shoulders.
In my experience if the stance is open or closed whilst the shoulders are parallel to target line, the shoulders will be open through impact.
I d like to point out that Mr.Hogan’s square right foot and out-turned left foot in all shots created a restricted, open hip alignment. Millions of golfers develop a twinge in their right hip due to this Biomechanical distortion.
Finally, as a Hogan devotee, I’m sure that Mr.Hogan would be uncomfortable about his deification and any unhealthy reverence for what is simply a book written via a journalist with wonderful illustrations by Ravielli.
Dear Sir - your rudeness is unnecessary.
On Page 78 the pane of glass is resting on Mr. Hogan’s shoulders.
So why on page 79 does he state that the swing plane runs from the ball and THROUGH the shoulders and gives us a second drawing showing a black dotted line from the ball through the top of the sternum.
The Upper Sternum is some 3 to 4 inches lower than the resting point of the glass ON the shoulders.
My written work on Hogan and my DVD “The Lost Fundamentals of Hogan” led to my receiving “Master” PGA Professional status in 2007. I have been a PGA qualified coach since 1973.
I am totally OK with people taking issue with my opinions - they are sincere and thoughtful and many P.G.A. colleagues have confirmed their validity.
I am happy to receive your feedback, but no need to be disrespectful-
Sincerely,
Luther
@@lookmil107 you need a new hobby. The game is better off without bullies and trolls.
Brilliant !
Hi Mike - thank you for your kind feedback. I hope you find the tips helpful and lead you to lower scores on the golf course.
Please tell all your golfing pals about this channel - it helps us to create more content if people like & subscribe
our clips.
Kind regards,
Luther.
This is how I have addressed the ball for years. It seems a very natural and efficient stance series. Unfortunately, I don't get the same results as BH. lol
Fantastic...
Hi William - thanks for your encouraging feedback.
Wishing you a very Happy New Year,
Luther
Wow thats just changed things for me 👍
Hi Joe - thank you for your kind feedback. I’m sure it will help you with all your shots on the course.
Keep us informed!
Kind regards,
Luther.
Nice swing
Ben had the BEST swing ever. Watch & pay particular attention to his right elbow. That's the key.
Hi “J Diehl- thank you for your comment and feed back. Indeed Mr Hogan’s right elbow in the downswing was close to his hip during impact. Typical of a short man with long arms hitting a draw shot.
Thanks for your interest and for subscribing to the channel,
Kind regards,
Luther.
I like the example of the ball at the left heel and just adjusting your leg position.
Thank you TGS for your kind feedback - I’m glad you are enjoying the content.
Kind regards,
Luther
I started hitting my wedges and 8 and 9 iron using this method and as long as I keep the weight left I hit them dead straight.
The arm hang drill helps with how close to the ball to stand. But definitely play a closed stance with driver
Hi Sethro TV - thanks for your feedback- I trust you are enjoying the vids and it’s helping your game 👍
Kind regards,
Luther
Nothing new but refreshingly different presentation.
Nothing new ? I’ve never seen anyone point out that Mr. Hogan appeared to play every club constantly opposite inside his left heel.
The fact that he was closed with a Driver, square with a 6-iron and open with a wedge meant that in practical terms his ball position was “progressive”.
Thanks for your feedback and I’m pleased you approve of the presentation,
Kind regards, Luther.
@@lutherblacklockgolfcom Well, an older player like me has read just about everything ever published. Palmer and Allis advocated the ball position "triangle". Of course, if the ball is kept in "one place" the stance width moves the low point fore or aft.
Good luck with the channel. It's hard to stand out on UA-cam but yours does.
I know this video is a bit older now but hopefully you get to see my questions.
1. How are the shoulders lined up in relation to the stance taken? For example when addressing the driver the stance is closed. Are the shoulders also supposed to be closed or are they aligned to the target line? Same question for short irons and being open?
2. Depending on the answer of the first question, should the club face at address always point down your target line or be reset once you adjust for your closed or open stance for any club that doesn’t require a square stance?
Thank you.
Hi Dennis - thank you for your questions.
The shoulders should indeed be aligned left for fadespin shots and drawspin should be aligned left.
The clubface MUST be square to the swing path because it’s the path that creates the shape. It’s a major mistake to turn the clubface back to the target - not good if you’re behind a tree!
Hope that clears things up - thanks for subscribing and please tell all your golfing buddies about my channel.
Kind regards, Luther.
What I find, now that I'm over 60, is that due to lack of turn over the years, when driving or long irons, I moved my right foot back & closed my stance, maybe 5% closed which helped my contact with the ball as well as gaining distance.
Hi WwIk - thank you for your feedback and observation.
I think it’s a great idea to close your stance mildly - especially if you move “RADIALLY” around the circle to your left. This keeps the ball position inside left heel correctly - if you just pull your right foot back it has the effect of moving the ball outside your left foot.
Hope this is helpful and thanks for subscribing- Luther.
Very interesting Luther. The shoulders are always aligned with the feet, correct? Then was he putting cut spin on the wedge?
Hi John - no one can slice a wedge more than a few feet - so, you’re entitled to try!
By playing short irons ( SI to 8-iron) with fadespin it eradicates the pull shot and makes the ball stop more quickly.
Hope this helps,
Luth
Logan’s method always worked best for me. Less thinking involved
Best golf book ever written
Hi Tony - thanks for your feedback and I totally agree with you about Mr.Hogan’s book being the best.
I wonder what other books you’d put in your Top10 ?
Thanks again for engaging,
Kind regards,
Luther
Harvey Pencik books were a great read. After Hogan’s book, I feel almost all others are a variation on his.
Nice video! Although the triple framed shot didn’t have the closed stance for the driver, camera angle.
I noticed that right away too.
Hi - Personally I blame my camera man for not being in three places at the same time.
Seriously, the amount of open or closed stance is very subtle when using the “Radial Ball Position”.
Either of the two stances would be very little, even if the camera was ideally positioned.
Thanks for your interest and for subscribing- kind regards, Luther.
(First thought) . Your video is a great history lesson.
( Second thought). As you know these men were swinging Hickory shaft clubs. Todays equipment and teaching professionals dont recommend those multiple stances. I have Tiger's swing photos...they had Mr. Hogan's.
Hi Michael - thanks for your feedback and comments.
I believe that the transition from hickory to steel was bridged by the Hogan, Snead and Nelson era.
Hickory shafts were too volatile due to large amounts of torque in the shaft - in the early 1900’s we see a more upright, wristy type swing.
The athletic, rotational type swing as employed by Hogan would be too explosive for a wooden shaft we’d club.
Re: Ball position as declared by Hogan is visually constant but progressive in relation to his swing path.
If you want confirmation of this, try hitting some Driver shots from a central ball position and some sand irons opposite the left instep.
If the stance is pointed either right or left where are the shoulders and club face aligned? At the target or at the body alignment? Very confusing.
This is the first time I've seen this and this is one of the things l struggle with. To me, it doesn't make sense to move the ball forward or backward because the length of the arms is still the same no matter what the club length is in your hands. Also, the body can be open up a little when we get to the shorter irons and close on longer irons and driver. l am going to do this and thank you.
Thank you for your very kind feedback. I’m really pleased that it has explained the correct use of golf ball position, from Wedge thru Driver.
Trust it works for you in the new 2024 season!
Kind regards, Luther.
Great
Thanks
Just remember the clubs they used back then are very different than the ones we use now. Ball position may be different too.
Stick 2 mini golf clown!
Hi John - have I upset you? Luther
@@lutherblacklockgolfcom No, you didn't upset him. He is just trying to sound like he has pondered the issue for years and, while smoking his pipe in his study, has concluded that he has some mystic insight into the golf swing. He is likely a 28 handicap and tries a different swing every time he sees a video titled, "Add 20 yards to your irons with this one simple trick!" I remember being shown the basics of this lesson years ago, and this was a great refresher. Love the hat.
Does this mean that Mr. Hogan’s ball flight, based upon this illustrated set up would be a draw for longer clubs, straight for mid length clubs, and fade for shorter clubs?
Hi oomph1 - Thank you for your question. Yes, I think this is a principle that applies to all of us.
However, we could apply fade-spin to a Driver and 6-iron by opening the stance radially. The important point is that whatever shot you are hitting the ball position is “progressive” from central with the wedge through to left heel with the Driver.
Hope this helps and thanks again for subscribing - Luther.
Cool
So am i tight in thinking in theory, the left toes always remains parallel to the target but the right foot adjusts? Thanks for the video
Hi Edward- thank you for your question.
Mr.Hogan’s ball position was visually constant but his distance from the ball varied according to the length of the club.
We must realise that whilst the ball was visually constant inside left heel - he was closed with his Driver, square with his 6-iron and open with his wedge.
In practical terms Mr.Hogan played his wedge from the centre of his stance, 6-iron was left centre and Driver inside left instep - in other words he was visually constant ball position BUT absolutely progressive when relating ball position to swing path.
Sorry for long explanation - on the course finally check your Radial ball position AND THEN HIT THR SHOT 👍🏌️♀️😇
@luther blacklock golf appreciate the response 😊
Thanks 😊
No problem 😊
Your swing is pretty close to Hogan’s. Do you shoot in the sixties often like he did?
Hi Ken - I don’t play a lot these days: always happy to shoot around par on a good day.
Thanks for your interest and subscribing - kind regards, Luther.
Watched other videos and Hogan had a closed stance with slightly open hips and shoulders, yet you say he always played with a square stance. Which is it?
Hi Marty - this piece explains that Mr. Hogan utilised an “open” stance with a wedge, a “square” stance with a 6-iron and a “closed” stance with a Driver.
I have seen film of him applying the above but with a “square” shoulder line. Over Mr. Hogans long career things evolved so my observations are about his book - “The Modern Fundamentals of Golf”.
Thank you for your interest and your question,
Kind regards,
Luther
20 plus years of this game , and in my opinion from the Bible of golf. I actually understand another level of this book and it's exactly my problem. I've been listening to this book, but not understanding.
Luther can u explain the release of the hands from the top of the swing
Hi Joe - it’s as natural as using a tennis racquet. Try hitting little shots with your right hand only - improvise different shots. Then hit shots with the same club but as creatively and as far as possible. Then add your left hand and see an increase in power and distance. Hand release isn’t caused by conscious thought but by creativity and improvisation.
Hope this helps, Luther 👍
@@lutherblacklockgolfcom does ur right foot stay down at impact? Thanks
Hi Joe - it is something that occurs instinctively- I wouldn’t teach it directly - it’s the result of a good shot rather than the cause. It is also a response to the shape of the shot you are trying to hit - I wouldn’t recommend it as a conscious swing thought personally.
Thanks for your question- Kind regards - Luther.
thanks
You're welcome!
I was expecting to see Ben Hogan
This was Hogan understanding the concept of D plane long before launch monitors.
great swing this guy has, i wish he'd play hogan in movies and documentaries, not the usual hackers they use
Hi JD - thanks for your kind words. In mimicking Mr. Hogan with a persimmon Driver it made me realise how strong he must have been.
I might have the White cap and grey cardigan but only in my dreams might I have Mr. Hogans downswing and impact!
Thanks for subscribing and I hope you find the vids helpful,
Kind regards,
Luth,
Love this. I wish I'd seen more instruction on Hogan's stance a long time ago. It would have saved a world of messing around with different swing thoughts etc. Thank you.
Thank you Steve for your encouraging feedback- I trust your scores are improving!
Kind regards,
Luther.
It took me a minute to understand how the ball was positioned more to the center when using the different irons but now I get it. It's all about how you either utilize a closed or open stance instead of a square stance for every club. Genius.
You make it very Ben Hogan😅
Thank you Henry - I’m pleased you are finding the videos helpful,
Kind regards,
Luther.
This all assumes you are using a custom fitted set of clubs.
Yes indeed David - Thank you for your kind feedback and wishing you a very Happy Christmas and great golf in the New Year,
Luther.
Foot position should be based on an individual physique and limitations not a book.
Hi Max - I appreciate your point.
Text books in all disciplines present ideal, orthodox principles. They are the starting point that allows us to then make allowance for individual limitations, physiques and abilities.
For example; it’s by understanding what a square blade is that allows us to appreciate an “open” or “ closed” face.
We are not obliged to use a “square” face - in fact we might never use it but it still stands as a reference point.
Hope that is of help or interest and thanks for making contact,
Kind regards,
Luther
It's widely known (apparently by no one here) that the great Hogan did not write this book. Yet you guys act as if this is scripture. Get a life, the golf swing is a lot less complicated than you are making it out to be. Find out what works for you, then do it. That said, good presentation Luther.
Thank you Tee Gee - there are so many urban myths surrounding Hogan.
Personally, I think that it’s quite a short read with about 25% on the grip.
Hogan was interviewed some decades after its first impression and asked if he’d change anything- apparently he was happy with it as it was.
As a coach of nearly 50 years it has been my mission to study all and every
Fad or theory.
Rather like a Formula 1 mechanic, I need to know how every nut and bolt functions - the Driver has only the steering wheel and a gear box to control.
Can I assure you that I never, never teach the golf swing directly - every improvement is made by teaching the shot and via improvising drills.
My mantra is to “Teach the Shot - the Swings for Free”.
As a PGA Master Professional I’ve got a life and I use it professionally to distil golf to just a pre-shot routine and an instinctive improvisation of the desired shot - I think you’ll find that my life’s study distils down so as to fit on a small “post it” note.
PREPARE - LOAD - RELEASE
Is that simple enough for you?
Thanks for your feed back and testy but light hearted interaction,
Please keep them coming - Kind regards,
Luther.
@@lutherblacklockgolfcom Wow great reply, worth a sub *Click, subbed* To be clear, my comment was directed at the commenters. Your
PREPARE - LOAD - RELEASE is divinely simple. Each player will have to experiment and work out those moves, with proper understanding. No one obsesses over how to swing a hammer to a nail, yet place a golf ball in front of a club and the average hacker is gobsmacked. Good on you for simplifying the process, cheers ⛳🏌🏻♂
Thanks TeeGee - please do keep in touch once in a while; I like being kept on my toes!
if Ray Mears taught golf