I just watched Pete with Danny and then happened on this video of yours, a perfect complement to the first. I think this explanation of the right forearm rotation of yours helps a lot. Nice work.
Have been looking for this. Saw your previous video with Pete Cowen and did not fully grasp “spinning your right forearm”. Saw this video this morning and with a slightly different explanation, where’s the forearm pointing etc. Tried it out on the range today. And you know what? It worked so so well I couldn’t believe it. As many times before, I actually believe I’ve got it. By the way, I have the same issues you seem to have but this made the whole difference. I can’t thank you enough for publishing this. Best regards Olle
I understand the confusion. It's hard to explain a feeling and everyone is at different levels when they recieve instruction/advice. For me, Mr. Cowen's right arm technique/ thought is pure gold. The feeling of pushing "twisting" under tension to maintain wrist angle has kept me from rushing the down swing and pushing through the swing puts me balanced over my left leg with good form for compression.
Great job Andy in explaining Pete Cowen's spinning right arm move! I have been working on forearm rotation in my swing and it seems to be getting me more quality shots with better ball compression. Well Done Andy! Keep up the good work!!
Makes sense to me. I also have the same traits as you getting club stuck behind and hips thrusting forwards. I also find my arms don’t extend through the ball and collapse too quickly after impact resulting in a low pull shot.
It’s very very easy to understand IF you already have your basic swing rotation in place. Works absolutely perfectly for me, you have to isolate your forearm in the movement and the problem with most people is that they’re not athletic enough to do that. Also if you’re someone who overthinks your swing movements, it’ll be hard for you to get.
Andy great explanation of the “Pete Cowen” Spinning the trail arm / re how the lower right forearm rotation should happen in the downswing. I was following along nicely. Then you did the holding the tray position at the top of your backswing and turned your fingers to face the target. This bit lost me? Could you explain why the fingers should point to the target. It like you twisted / rotated your right forearm to achieve this? People should also realise it’s not just about twisting your right forearm down into the ball whilst retaining your right wrist in the set condition, it’s the whole of your right side which has the effect of clearing your left side out of the way as you do so. Including posting up onto your lead side & then moving into extension. I must admit I’m more of an Exit Left guy but Pete also covers this angle in his “Cack Handed” demonstration from the last delivery position. That was also an awesome Pete Cowen video.
Excellent explanation Andy. I have been adopting Pete's (and your own) swing teaching into my swing since January. The 'turning of the right forearm down' has really been the 'eureka' moment for me when it comes to consistent ball striking (and I've been playing off and on for 30 years - playing off 7)
Man! I saw possibly the video that you’re referring to where Pete Cowen’s “spinning” came from. I saw it on Danny Maude’s vid. Admittedly, at first, it was confusing. By after a couple of minutes it made complete sense. Tough part for me is the pulling across action after the “spin.” But you explained it well. 🥂
A brilliant video which explains it very clearly. Are you able to do a video on delivery positions for different shots using this approach? (Fade/ draw, high/ low) please
Get your driver , and make it a ice hockey stick and make like your hitting a puck , you get the feeling that way, I also think more emphasis should put on the right hand feeling as opposed to the forearm , that’s how i found the feeling by the hinge feeling I experienced in my right hand
You demonstrate this with your right forearm pointed toward the target and from down the line view it is up over the left arm at address. It also appears your right hand is in a "weaker" position. The right forearm position would seem it necessitates the right arm spin to square at impact. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Like the explanation, & have been playing about with it. Do you have a feel for what the left hand is doing when right is doing this. It may click better with me, it feels like down cocking whilst turning on the left hand. Wondered if that is way off the mark or not.
Hi Andy, please help, can you help me to understand the trail arm fingers point to target at the top of the backswing? It looks like most good golfers get to the top having folded the trail arm (it’s sitting down) and looks like they are in a holding a tray position with your fingers pointing behind them. You seem to be saying the same when you describe trail inner forearm points forwards to the face in camera at the top. But then you confused it by talking about rotating your forearm to where fingers point to the target. Do you really do that in your backswing? If so when and how does that fingers pointing to target forearm rotation happen?
I’m really intrigued by this Andy, being a chronic early extender (in the golf sense) 😳 Would you say palm to the sky (top/transition phase of the swing) and then palm to the ground (thought the hit phase). Couple that with a sit/drop of hips during the transition phase. Is a good path to being rid of the dreaded early extension? Suffered so much in recent years with big slice blocks and duck hooks.
Andy great explanation. This resonates with me so much. If you didn’t rotate the wrist and with the open face could this shot feel solid or close to pure and be a 5 to 10 degree push to push slice? Would this then be worse on longer clubs?
It was having lessons with Andy that changed my understanding of the golf swing. I’ve gone from frustrated duffing hacker to reasonably good ball striker. Don’t waste your time, get lessons from him now. A thousand times more helpful than new clubs and less costly.
Ben looking at this concept lately and your explanation adds clarity, also Peat's comments about the front arm connection to the body mechanically in concert with this is helping me.
If not rotating your forearm on the downswing results in an open face then by definition you’ve rotated the face open on the backswing not kept it square. That might be the missing piece. Most teaching says to keep the face square and if you do and spin the arm look out left.
The golf swing is a circle. The body rotates, the clubhead therefore rotates in conjunction with that circle. The forearms, hips, chest, etc etc also rotate with that circle. Many ams dont do all of this. And only doing some of it is what causes bad shots
I'm definitely the hack that's not rotated the hips open at impact so I've relied on timing dumping the angles in order to square the face. Imagine how much I've got practice to play off 4 with that kind of action. Too bad this information wasn't presented to me 35 years ago.
At address I set up with my inner elbow pointing forward and the lower trail forearm does point to the target. Using the analogy of using a steering wheel to represent the golf swing in the backswing you turn your steering wheel to the right. In the initial stage of the downswing the arms fall as you shift pressure into the lead side. But before you come back to the ball. You do need to turn the steering wheel back towards the left to get it back to square. No post impact you release your forearms and turn the steering wheel to the left in the follow through. My basic understanding of what Pete Cowen / and Andy are saying is there is a nuance to this turning the steering wheel back to the left in the sense of placing greater emphasis on maintaining the set / hinged trail wrist and more active “spinning the trail lower forearm down as the trail arm straightens out down into delivery.
If the forearm does not spin the hands wrists require a tremendous amount of timing. Returning the forearm spinning down the line as at address with less wrists requires less timing and creates good ball compression and fight with less effort. From the age of 9 years now 77 years old playing golf and owning a golf range, having employed golf teaching professionals. I have many discussions that their teaching style only teaches to apply wrists from the top of the down swing. That the power and control comes from the right fore arm and the body and weight rotation in balance. With the club reaching hip hight tipping point down the line. But no the all said I was wrong. Then how come on the golf course they could never beat me. I would explain after 4 years as a boy caddie 4 rounds a week and 20 hours pratice a week. At the age of 13 years reaching a 508 par 5 was no problem. I would get told off by the club professional my job was to caddy not teach golf to the members and band from the putting green betting my skills against the members for a few extra dollars a week. Please note I have only ever played golf all my life for self enjoyment. I've watched some if the greats play golf and yet to see the perfect consistent swing. And seen the perfect golf shot with imperfect swings but the greats have great mental control which unfortunately I don't have that grey matter behind the eyes.
Only thing I would be careful with this explanation is that it will create too much focus on the right/trail side of the body. Most beginners should really only focus on the left/leading side of the body until they are fundamentally solid. Also you should incorporate some drills to ingrain this. Definitely think you should focus more on the left arm. Most golfers are 15 caps and worse. They need fundamentals not advanced release techniques
I think I've finally got this by thinking solely of the right hand in a connected swing. The takeaway being very key to setting it all up. For me everything else just happens.
This is not what pete was saying to danny maude , the point there was very much returning the right hand thats still hinged into the ball so the power that is contained can be unleashed squarely without any need to manipulate the clubface by either holding off or early release , this was very clear . The right hand position you are demonstrating would be producing a high cut for example , having an extended or unhinged wrist defeats the object . If you wish to just create a decent path for the right forearm then pull the club while holding the elbow , pete was advocating holding the elbow , forearm and wrist from the top until nine oclock then rotating the forearm down and round to impact without uncocking the wrist or manipulating it at all , this delivers a compressed right hand into impact . I hate to deviate but would suggest feeling a pull down and round with the left hand into the ball at the same time to prevent the wing effect a right hit can bring and prevent dragging the club also .
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I just watched Pete with Danny and then happened on this video of yours, a perfect complement to the first. I think this explanation of the right forearm rotation of yours helps a lot. Nice work.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Have been looking for this. Saw your previous video with Pete Cowen and did not fully grasp “spinning your right forearm”. Saw this video this morning and with a slightly different explanation, where’s the forearm pointing etc. Tried it out on the range today. And you know what? It worked so so well I couldn’t believe it. As many times before, I actually believe I’ve got it. By the way, I have the same issues you seem to have but this made the whole difference. I can’t thank you enough for publishing this. Best regards Olle
I understand the confusion. It's hard to explain a feeling and everyone is at different levels when they recieve instruction/advice. For me, Mr. Cowen's right arm technique/ thought is pure gold. The feeling of pushing "twisting" under tension to maintain wrist angle has kept me from rushing the down swing and pushing through the swing puts me balanced over my left leg with good form for compression.
Feel like pushing yourself out of a pool but with one arm.
Great job Andy in explaining Pete Cowen's spinning right arm move! I have been working on forearm rotation in my swing and it seems to be getting me more quality shots with better ball compression. Well Done Andy! Keep up the good work!!
Makes sense to me. I also have the same traits as you getting club stuck behind and hips thrusting forwards. I also find my arms don’t extend through the ball and collapse too quickly after impact resulting in a low pull shot.
THANK YOU!! This made it so much easier to understand and implement what Mr. Cowen teaches.
Glad it was helpful!
It’s very very easy to understand IF you already have your basic swing rotation in place. Works absolutely perfectly for me, you have to isolate your forearm in the movement and the problem with most people is that they’re not athletic enough to do that.
Also if you’re someone who overthinks your swing movements, it’ll be hard for you to get.
Andy great explanation of the “Pete Cowen” Spinning the trail arm / re how the lower right forearm rotation should happen in the downswing.
I was following along nicely. Then you did the holding the tray position at the top of your backswing and turned your fingers to face the target. This bit lost me? Could you explain why the fingers should point to the target. It like you twisted / rotated your right forearm to achieve this?
People should also realise it’s not just about twisting your right forearm down into the ball whilst retaining your right wrist in the set condition, it’s the whole of your right side which has the effect of clearing your left side out of the way as you do so. Including posting up onto your lead side & then moving into extension. I must admit I’m more of an Exit Left guy but Pete also covers this angle in his “Cack Handed” demonstration from the last delivery position. That was also an awesome Pete Cowen video.
Excellent explanation Andy. I have been adopting Pete's (and your own) swing teaching into my swing since January. The 'turning of the right forearm down' has really been the 'eureka' moment for me when it comes to consistent ball striking (and I've been playing off and on for 30 years - playing off 7)
Awesome. Great feedback and i’m Glad it working out well
Man! I saw possibly the video that you’re referring to where Pete Cowen’s “spinning” came from. I saw it on Danny Maude’s vid. Admittedly, at first, it was confusing. By after a couple of minutes it made complete sense. Tough part for me is the pulling across action after the “spin.” But you explained it well. 🥂
Ok so this gave me some good visualization about what to look for in forearm rotation. I appreciate this video. Thank you.
You're so welcome!
A brilliant video which explains it very clearly. Are you able to do a video on delivery positions for different shots using this approach? (Fade/ draw, high/ low) please
Yes sure 👌🏽
Love it!! Thank you again for further clarifyng the Cowen method of swing.
You are so welcome!
SUUUUPER description!!! Thanks a lot!
Glad it helped!
Get your driver , and make it a ice hockey stick and make like your hitting a puck , you get the feeling that way, I also think more emphasis should put on the right hand feeling as opposed to the forearm , that’s how i found the feeling by the hinge feeling I experienced in my right hand
You demonstrate this with your right forearm pointed toward the target and from down the line view it is up over the left arm at address. It also appears your right hand is in a "weaker" position. The right forearm position would seem it necessitates the right arm spin to square at impact. Am I missing something? Thanks!
Like the explanation, & have been playing about with it. Do you have a feel for what the left hand is doing when right is doing this. It may click better with me, it feels like down cocking whilst turning on the left hand. Wondered if that is way off the mark or not.
Hi Andy, please help, can you help me to understand the trail arm fingers point to target at the top of the backswing?
It looks like most good golfers get to the top having folded the trail arm (it’s sitting down) and looks like they are in a holding a tray position with your fingers pointing behind them. You seem to be saying the same when you describe trail inner forearm points forwards to the face in camera at the top. But then you confused it by talking about rotating your forearm to where fingers point to the target. Do you really do that in your backswing? If so when and how does that fingers pointing to target forearm rotation happen?
I've been struggling with this for a few weeks since a lesson. This explanation has made it "click"
Cheers 👍
Glad it helped!
That was very interesting Andy though I'm not sure I took it all on board. I'll re-watch it a few times to be sure...
Cheers
I’m really intrigued by this Andy, being a chronic early extender (in the golf sense) 😳
Would you say palm to the sky (top/transition phase of the swing) and then palm to the ground (thought the hit phase).
Couple that with a sit/drop of hips during the transition phase. Is a good path to being rid of the dreaded early extension? Suffered so much in recent years with big slice blocks and duck hooks.
Great explanation
Great video, Andy. Thanks mate!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great explanation Andy 👍.
Thank you it makes so much sense
Can't wait to try this.I was the guy who did both of the wrong ways.Thanks Andy.
Question: Cupped right wrist on finish?
Andy great explanation. This resonates with me so much. If you didn’t rotate the wrist and with the open face could this shot feel solid or close to pure and be a 5 to 10 degree push to push slice? Would this then be worse on longer clubs?
Always worse with longer clubs yes
@@andycartergolf cheers Andy
Excellent work…thank you
Good work, Andy....!
Thank you! I will send you a video on Skillest later today
This is awesome! But when I do this I come over the top. Any tips on how to avoid this over the top? Thanks!
Then presumably you are rotating your shoulders towards the target before the club sets itself on the correct path in the transition
@@andycartergolf will definitely pay more attention to that next time I go to the range. Thanks!
It was having lessons with Andy that changed my understanding of the golf swing. I’ve gone from frustrated duffing hacker to reasonably good ball striker. Don’t waste your time, get lessons from him now. A thousand times more helpful than new clubs and less costly.
Legend, great progress. Keep it going
does this apply to the driver? are there any accommodations needed?
Not at all. In essences it is just describing how the downswing works for a neutral delivery
Ben looking at this concept lately and your explanation adds clarity, also Peat's comments about the front arm connection to the body mechanically in concert with this is helping me.
Great. Glad its helping buddy
Do you have to have a fast swing speed to carry this out as the ball flight is lower
The move doesn’t encourage a low ball flight.
Great tip! I think "spinning" is the confusing point. It doesn't look like "spinning".
The term may need changing in your understanding.
It’s so awesome to learn golf from Morrissey … a little perky for the Smiths’ front man, however
I was lost now I understand
I understood and now i am lost
Super interesting….thanks
This has proper brought my flight down and proper compression then day or 2 after I couldn't do it every shot not sure why
Something different happened 1-2 days later. Got to figure out what it was
very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you!
If not rotating your forearm on the downswing results in an open face then by definition you’ve rotated the face open on the backswing not kept it square. That might be the missing piece. Most teaching says to keep the face square and if you do and spin the arm look out left.
The golf swing is a circle.
The body rotates, the clubhead therefore rotates in conjunction with that circle.
The forearms, hips, chest, etc etc also rotate with that circle. Many ams dont do all of this. And only doing some of it is what causes bad shots
In that hand drill, shouldn’t your fingers be pointed away from you at the start and not towards the camera?
I'm definitely the hack that's not rotated the hips open at impact so I've relied on timing dumping the angles in order to square the face. Imagine how much I've got practice to play off 4 with that kind of action. Too bad this information wasn't presented to me 35 years ago.
isnt the spinning right arm just a natural movement in you wanna hit the ball square? prob does this without realising it?
Exactly! But many golfers dont do whats natural
I found this to be very confusing. Does the right forearm face the target at address?
Not at address no. There is a video going into more depth about the trail arm to try and unpick some of the explanations from Pete
@@andycartergolf Thanks.. look forward to it!!
At address I set up with my inner elbow pointing forward and the lower trail forearm does point to the target. Using the analogy of using a steering wheel to represent the golf swing in the backswing you turn your steering wheel to the right. In the initial stage of the downswing the arms fall as you shift pressure into the lead side. But before you come back to the ball. You do need to turn the steering wheel back towards the left to get it back to square. No post impact you release your forearms and turn the steering wheel to the left in the follow through.
My basic understanding of what Pete Cowen / and Andy are saying is there is a nuance to this turning the steering wheel back to the left in the sense of placing greater emphasis on maintaining the set / hinged trail wrist and more active “spinning the trail lower forearm down as the trail arm straightens out down into delivery.
Andy yes the right lower forearm does point to the target at address you do so and say so in your video.
I think this is a typo?
If the forearm does not spin the hands wrists require a tremendous amount of timing. Returning the forearm spinning down the line as at address with less wrists requires less timing and creates good ball compression and fight with less effort.
From the age of 9 years now 77 years old playing golf and owning a golf range, having employed golf teaching professionals. I have many discussions that their teaching style only teaches to apply wrists from the top of the down swing. That the power and control comes from the right fore arm and the body and weight rotation in balance. With the club reaching hip hight tipping point down the line. But no the all said I was wrong. Then how come on the golf course they could never beat me.
I would explain after 4 years as a boy caddie 4 rounds a week and 20 hours pratice a week. At the age of 13 years reaching a 508 par 5 was no problem. I would get told off by the club professional my job was to caddy not teach golf to the members and band from the putting green betting my skills against the members for a few extra dollars a week. Please note I have only ever played golf all my life for self enjoyment. I've watched some if the greats play golf and yet to see the perfect consistent swing. And seen the perfect golf shot with imperfect swings but the greats have great mental control which unfortunately I don't have that grey matter behind the eyes.
"Why do I pull to the left even though my right elbow is facing the target at the moment of impact?"
Because the face isn’t pointing at the target. Maybe check your grip?
Only thing I would be careful with this explanation is that it will create too much focus on the right/trail side of the body. Most beginners should really only focus on the left/leading side of the body until they are fundamentally solid. Also you should incorporate some drills to ingrain this. Definitely think you should focus more on the left arm. Most golfers are 15 caps and worse. They need fundamentals not advanced release techniques
I think I've finally got this by thinking solely of the right hand in a connected swing. The takeaway being very key to setting it all up. For me everything else just happens.
This is not what pete was saying to danny maude , the point there was very much returning the right hand thats still hinged into the ball so the power that is contained can be unleashed squarely without any need to manipulate the clubface by either holding off or early release , this was very clear .
The right hand position you are demonstrating would be producing a high cut for example , having an extended or unhinged wrist defeats the object .
If you wish to just create a decent path for the right forearm then pull the club while holding the elbow , pete was advocating holding the elbow , forearm and wrist from the top until nine oclock then rotating the forearm down and round to impact without uncocking the wrist or manipulating it at all , this delivers a compressed right hand into impact .
I hate to deviate but would suggest feeling a pull down and round with the left hand into the ball at the same time to prevent the wing effect a right hit can bring and prevent dragging the club also .
If you want to be good at golf start when your 3 years old.
That’s very defeatist 😂
Too confusing.
That’s fine buddy, There’s many theories to follow, you need to find the one that resonates best with you.
YouR 2 swings do not match what you are saying. You show a L shaped on the setting of the back swing , but you don't do it on a full swing.
Spinning your wrist then. Okay.
No! 🫣😂😂😂
Too much “Pete Cowen” clickbait.
No clickbait. Just explaining what a lot of people don’t understand
Pete Cowen thanks to him has revealed the secret of golf swing
Pete just keeps saying the same thing when hes trying to explain something.
He’s earnt that right tbf
@@andycartergolf Fair enough. Just an observation.
@@rydaug79 it’s a correct one. Pete leaves it to us to translate for amateurs.