Post update: Jump on to the platform and immediately enter group stealth and separate the group. You can’t throw the bone piles as this interrupts stealth, I instead click and drag each bone pile into place.
I just did this with all updates in place that throw you into the cut scene as soon as you're on the prison rock. I used a warrior to shoot him with an arrow of arcane interference, which buys 1 turn of silence, from the end of the next rock back. Fight didn't trigger because I'm not on his rock. I then had my wizard jump onto the prison rock and cast silence, which kept him helpless, while I ran my melee guys up and killed him.
I was unable to move bones without triggering the cut scene, but I did find a work around. You can use a Mage Hand spell to move the bones. Mage Hand is invisible and doesn’t trigger the cut scene.
If that didn't work, try silencing him before the fight begins, then he can't summon/res anyone and that is supposed to make it a lot easier too!! Happy holidays, and I hope to see you around the channel again! @@marcio1745
Read an article that says if you have good stealth you can put one of those anti magic flowers (sussur? Can't remember spelling suddenly) in his bag by using pick pocket and it basically cheeses the fight completely
@@benjaminalexander5778 Well i'm at that point of the game and it seems the flowers are still functional, at least in my traveller's chest. I'll have to try.
yeah unfortunately they patched alot of this stuff, like casting great invisibility can only get you so close and even mage hand cant move the bones as they're too heavy
Drop a comment below with your most creative boss battle strategies! PSA: If you try something lime this, just note that you can hold one character in the dialogue while another one who isn't sneaks around
@Ramiobomb let's gooooo! A cheap way to buy games video is dropping tomorrow (g2a), I say and go over how to do it and never worry about a bad key 🔑 then in two weeks I have a bg3 video where I play the dark urge and gaslight my friend into thinking Alfira is a companion if you know where that's going
A useful trick I found was to have shadow heart use turn undead. If they turn, it gives you a lot of breathing room and I’m pretty sure they sometimes die if they fail the check
I just trigger the fight by casting a cantrip on the bones. Then you can counterspell his raise dead. You miss the cinematic interaction... but you skip getting half your party shoved off the platform on the first round.
@@OfficialDlonem So from the upper platform I use someone to range attack one of the bone piles. This triggers the fight automatically and Balthazar will "cast" the raise dead spell... then counterspell will trigger as a reaction. You don't get the XP from killing the mobs, it just cancels the raise dead spell. No mobs.
I did this a couple of minutes ago, used mage hand for the ones that were close to Balthazar, was hidden all the time and had to be very careful to not trigger cutscene
For those that cant do this bec. of the cutscene trigger or cant use mage hand or cant get one character in cutscene and other not, then you can use tactic that i used. With shadowheart at MAX RANGE POSSIBLE (very important) attact balthazar with guiding bolt Lvl3, save before each fire because sometime it start the fight and sometimes not. Once you kill him, spent some time to get all of the melee one close to you and use "Turn Undead", Sometimes it kill them, sometime just turn but it give you enough time to deal with them all. In 2 spell i had 60% of army done and then just dealt with the others.
I found out if u use invisibility plus split everyone u can walk up to him and it won't trigger the cutscene so I'm gonna use my hill giant strength potion stand in front of him and just push him and if I have that potion on me I'm pretty sure it'll launch him or I can him with my level 3 thunder smite
Me and my boyfriend have gotten to this fight and we're massively struggling - no matter what gimmicks we try, we cannot positiom any of our characters, anything without triggering the dialogue. Moment you get fown to the rock? Dialogue, doesn't even matter if we switch out of the dialoging character and use our companions to try and launch some sneak attack or anything, the moment they move to shoot or anything the dialogue just pops up and we cant do anything. Its frustrating as hell 😂
Yes, using Mage Hand is supposed to circumvent the update where they made it hard to mess around beforehand. I would also mention that fighting him before getting to this point may be the easier fight
I've been struggling with this fight and I tried to do stuff like this multiple times but I cant seem to do much of anything without triggering the dialog. As soon as I leave hiding or if Karlach throws any bones it triggers the dialog and then I get stuck in the fight as normal.
@Dlonem yeah as soon as you get close enough even as a rogue it would trigger them to join dialog. I ended up just barely winning the fight, with some spell prep.
@@OfficialDlonem I still don't get how the hell you are able to do anything before the fight. For me its is either being locked in the conversation or in the fight. I have tried everything mentioned in the comments here and I can't do it.
@@user-cx6kt3ku2f on the dialogue you can switch characters and apply a debuff that last like 2 turns+(fear,stun, silence, prone etc) you can kill him without taking any damage
Okay so I can’t find anything on it but how do you beat him in necrotic lab. I can get 2-3 characters out but cloudkill just wipes my team and he hits with ray of sickness doing about 30 damage a shot
With shadowheart at MAX RANGE POSSIBLE (very important) attact balthazar with guiding bolt Lvl3, save before each fire because sometime it start the fight and sometimes not. Once you kill him, spent some time to get all of the melee one close to you and use "Turn Undead", Sometimes it kill them, sometime just turn but it give you enough time to deal with them all. In 2 spell i had 60% of army done and then just dealt with the others.
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Post update: Jump on to the platform and immediately enter group stealth and separate the group. You can’t throw the bone piles as this interrupts stealth, I instead click and drag each bone pile into place.
Thank you so much, man!! This made the battle 20x easier!! (Literally, lol)
Yes, correct!
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I just did this with all updates in place that throw you into the cut scene as soon as you're on the prison rock. I used a warrior to shoot him with an arrow of arcane interference, which buys 1 turn of silence, from the end of the next rock back. Fight didn't trigger because I'm not on his rock. I then had my wizard jump onto the prison rock and cast silence, which kept him helpless, while I ran my melee guys up and killed him.
I love this!! Silences being used to save the day.
Silence is golden, Duct Tape is silver, Balthazar!!
I'm on that rock and then use polymorph at him then throw the sheep to oblivion
@@grapylion1255 but then, no loot.
@@grapylion1255lmao did the same😂
I was unable to move bones without triggering the cut scene, but I did find a work around. You can use a Mage Hand spell to move the bones. Mage Hand is invisible and doesn’t trigger the cut scene.
ooo - that's a very good catch!
Ayo even the hand activated the fight💀
Forget i was moving player by accident xD
DUDEEEEEEE ... I will try this tonight. So pissed with this fight
If that didn't work, try silencing him before the fight begins, then he can't summon/res anyone and that is supposed to make it a lot easier too!! Happy holidays, and I hope to see you around the channel again! @@marcio1745
Oh wow that was way easier than trying to kill them all
Read an article that says if you have good stealth you can put one of those anti magic flowers (sussur? Can't remember spelling suddenly) in his bag by using pick pocket and it basically cheeses the fight completely
oh now thats pretty dastardly!! bro literally cant use magic, haha
They must have used hacks bc they patched the glitch to be able to carry the flower from the undersark
@@benjaminalexander5778 Well i'm at that point of the game and it seems the flowers are still functional, at least in my traveller's chest. I'll have to try.
yeah unfortunately they patched alot of this stuff, like casting great invisibility can only get you so close and even mage hand cant move the bones as they're too heavy
Some people around the comments have mentioned other great ways too!
Drop a comment below with your most creative boss battle strategies!
PSA: If you try something lime this, just note that you can hold one character in the dialogue while another one who isn't sneaks around
using a silence on him can help bypass the cutscene for those not being able to do this
After realizing this scenario broke certain 2 quests I had, and had to redo this one later. This was a quick tutorial I needed to see, thanks mate!
Glad I could help! Thank you for subscribing my friend, I have a handful of BG3 related videos coming up as well
@@OfficialDlonem Based and redpilled, my man! I see you have nice content as well so that's good nuff for me as a start up sub :P.
@Ramiobomb let's gooooo! A cheap way to buy games video is dropping tomorrow (g2a), I say and go over how to do it and never worry about a bad key 🔑 then in two weeks I have a bg3 video where I play the dark urge and gaslight my friend into thinking Alfira is a companion if you know where that's going
A useful trick I found was to have shadow heart use turn undead. If they turn, it gives you a lot of breathing room and I’m pretty sure they sometimes die if they fail the check
especially if you get the damaging version of TU too!
I just trigger the fight by casting a cantrip on the bones. Then you can counterspell his raise dead. You miss the cinematic interaction... but you skip getting half your party shoved off the platform on the first round.
So explain to me with counterspell, does that mean that you can Castries dead on all of them?
@@OfficialDlonem So from the upper platform I use someone to range attack one of the bone piles. This triggers the fight automatically and Balthazar will "cast" the raise dead spell... then counterspell will trigger as a reaction. You don't get the XP from killing the mobs, it just cancels the raise dead spell. No mobs.
@@garwynrosser8907it won’t cancel the raise dead for me
This was amazing
I just threw them down at the stones and killed them
I did this a couple of minutes ago, used mage hand for the ones that were close to Balthazar, was hidden all the time and had to be very careful to not trigger cutscene
Yeah I hear this is incredibly tough to pull off lately I'm happy you're amazing hand was able to save the day
wait wait wait... How to you get to that stage without starting the cutscene? I can only freely move in that place if the fight has begun?
apparently it's been partially patched - you can use a mage hand to move the bones around since it is invisible
@@OfficialDlonem you can't, actually the game says the bones are too heavy to the invisible hand
For those that cant do this bec. of the cutscene trigger or cant use mage hand or cant get one character in cutscene and other not, then you can use tactic that i used.
With shadowheart at MAX RANGE POSSIBLE (very important) attact balthazar with guiding bolt Lvl3, save before each fire because sometime it start the fight and sometimes not. Once you kill him, spent some time to get all of the melee one close to you and use "Turn Undead", Sometimes it kill them, sometime just turn but it give you enough time to deal with them all. In 2 spell i had 60% of army done and then just dealt with the others.
I found out if u use invisibility plus split everyone u can walk up to him and it won't trigger the cutscene so I'm gonna use my hill giant strength potion stand in front of him and just push him and if I have that potion on me I'm pretty sure it'll launch him or I can him with my level 3 thunder smite
Yo that worked thank you
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@aaroncolindres3902 no problem🤘 I was just standing around figuring out what to do and was like I wonder and busted out laughing
Did you try this with Thunder Wave? I might try this with an invisibly scroll on Gale since he's the only one that knows Thunder Wave
You can also use Metamorphosis on the guy or try throwing him off the cliff...
But then you lose out on that sweet, sweet loot!!
Me and my boyfriend have gotten to this fight and we're massively struggling - no matter what gimmicks we try, we cannot positiom any of our characters, anything without triggering the dialogue. Moment you get fown to the rock? Dialogue, doesn't even matter if we switch out of the dialoging character and use our companions to try and launch some sneak attack or anything, the moment they move to shoot or anything the dialogue just pops up and we cant do anything. Its frustrating as hell 😂
Try using Mage Hand to move the bones! Or getting an early silence spell off :)
Yes, using Mage Hand is supposed to circumvent the update where they made it hard to mess around beforehand. I would also mention that fighting him before getting to this point may be the easier fight
Use fear and push him off the edge
I've been struggling with this fight and I tried to do stuff like this multiple times but I cant seem to do much of anything without triggering the dialog. As soon as I leave hiding or if Karlach throws any bones it triggers the dialog and then I get stuck in the fight as normal.
I triggered the dialogue too though, **you can swap to someone who ISNT in the dialog though**
@Dlonem yeah but it just makes them join dialog too. It's in an update. Can't cheese anymore
@@abniance really!!! Try having them sneak and THEN the switch
@Dlonem yeah as soon as you get close enough even as a rogue it would trigger them to join dialog. I ended up just barely winning the fight, with some spell prep.
I just polymorphed Balthazar into a sheep then threw him over the side of the platform.
Bah Bah Balthazar confirmed
I tried this but every time I move the bones at all it auto-starts the fight even while I'm hidden
Yeah same I'm on ps5 so not sure if it's easier on pc or what
@@Samurai_StonerNope, I'm playing it on PC and having the same problem. :/ Maybe is patched.
whip out a mage hand to move the bones, its invisible!
Have you tried using mage hand yo move them? Im pretty sure it stays invisible
I moved all the bones i could and then thunder waved them off. Made it WAY!! Easier.
Super happy you were able to do this!
I just shot an 1 explosive arrow and Balthozar flew off the cliff))))))))))))
Who knew a man so rotund would go flying so far
@@OfficialDlonem I still don't get how the hell you are able to do anything before the fight. For me its is either being locked in the conversation or in the fight. I have tried everything mentioned in the comments here and I can't do it.
LOL, really? You'd think he would weigh more
I just sneaked attacked him with the group
No way so you were literally able to just tap One Tap and pretty much and not have to worry about the Army because of that
@@sulfasan4299 i feared him and killed before he can summon
@@VictorHTC that's a good one too
@@VictorHTC how? He summons out of turn, right?
@@user-cx6kt3ku2f on the dialogue you can switch characters and apply a debuff that last like 2 turns+(fear,stun, silence, prone etc) you can kill him without taking any damage
DAFQ? doing that triggers the dam fight. it WON'T let me do that
Someone else just the other day mentioned they were able to do this! There are other good ideas being floated in the comments too!
All you need is to have counterspell available.
And that prevents the spell or all the undead fight for you
I think if it catches quick enough it will stop him from raising all the dead I did it once by luck
How do you make karlach on fire around her?
you use a soul coin
@@TheQiaoli @halogod666 As you can see, I was prepped for this fight
For some reason, i can counter balthazars ressurection spell with counterspell
so... you resurrect the skellys instead?
Do you get different exp from shoving the bones before they get resurrected vs killing the skeletons after they get resurrected?
I've never fought him here. I always kill him immediately after talking to him. Smack him with a sussar great sword and he's an easy kill.
Ooo - nasty! That's a good one, because then he's silenced at least for one turn. Nice!
@@OfficialDlonem especially nice when done with either a paladin or maybe a fighter with high level enlarge buff
Okay so I can’t find anything on it but how do you beat him in necrotic lab. I can get 2-3 characters out but cloudkill just wipes my team and he hits with ray of sickness doing about 30 damage a shot
With the new update on ps5 it’s impossible as soon you are moving the cinematic start so …
Oh interesting, have you seen some of the other comments
Brilliant!
I appreciate you, Jezebel! Hope to see you again around the channel :-)
But you can give him a whack **whiff** 💀
A WHACK!
Nah but that was brilliant fr ggs lol
Does this fight yield more xp than fighting him in his room in the gauntlet?
if you kill all the skeletons there is a good chance
Mind explaining how you didn't trigger the conversation? It's impossible to not unless modded.
Interesting!! I'm beginning to suspect that it was latched which is depressing
@@OfficialDlonem I can only assume this methodology has been patched out for the PS5. Shame!
Just silence him then kill him with burst
now thats what i'd call a "Dastardly Quick Way to Defeat Balthazar" haha!
That makes no sense. How would you go all around the battlefield gathering them without triggering the fight?
With shadowheart at MAX RANGE POSSIBLE (very important) attact balthazar with guiding bolt Lvl3, save before each fire because sometime it start the fight and sometimes not. Once you kill him, spent some time to get all of the melee one close to you and use "Turn Undead", Sometimes it kill them, sometime just turn but it give you enough time to deal with them all. In 2 spell i had 60% of army done and then just dealt with the others.
is this a thing nov 2024?
@@keithsnapp3021 check some of the comments out, the specific thing in the video isn't 100% true
@ gotchuu thank you man 🙏
This doesn’t look fun in the slightest
It was actually pretty chill and satisfying to see ALL of those skellys fly off the cliff haha