Restoring a Vintage Junghans Watch - What Could Go Wrong?
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2023
- Here we have a Junghans 80 movement. My first time working on a Junghans, this movement has a manufacturing span from 1930s -1950s. Sit back and enjoy the challenges this one throws up!
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What a beautiful job ! 👍🏻👏🏻🙏 My father is smiling down at the restoration of his old Junghans. The photo is him wearing it in 1953 in Cleveland,Ohio area . He died in 1980 .
This is wonderful and I hope you feel I did this watch justice. Its a lovely watch with a very loud tick! (which is reassuring although in the middle of the night its amplified)
Your father had very good taste. Hopefully I can get this jewel repaired on the Omega to see that one running again.
Mike, that was such an amazing repair. I like how you addressed all the issues. My heart stopped when I saw that ratchet screw head shear off! Truly a watch worthy of your time and a nice story too.
Thanks Chris, I didnt think this was my best work! make do and mend rather than find new and replace.. Made for some entertainment though. Thanks for watching I always appreciate your feedback.
Great looking watch! Your choices for videos are excellent. Glad to find your channel!
I have a similar model, but with a J80 in silver tone and 16 jewels. It was a watch someone got in 1951 for 25 years of service in a German mining company.
Hi, Mike! My humble experience in watchmaking shows that using a toothpick and tweezers for putting jewel springs back into place is far better than using two tweezers, since metal doesn't provide enough friction for holding the spring. I sharpen a toothpick a bit and then everything goes perfectly. You might try it out some day.
The second point I came to over time is oiling the top balance jewel when the watch is not running, it's much safer to extract the jewel and lubricate it before winding up. Tiny springs may fall into the balance spring and damage it. I thought it makes a difference whether you get down to this top jewel before or after winding up, but it doesn't. So I opted for an intact balance spring in the end😊
Your channel is a very inspiring resource. You are capable of making one feel comfortable, as if one were at home watching your videos. I've been following you on the way for some time and this is my first comment😊
Thank you for your comment and tips. I think we just find out own feel on how to do things and run with it although I’m not against change but sometimes that requires learning how to do something again.
I am pleased you enjoy my channel so thank you for taking the time to write. Sorry for delay on a reply .
My very first watch was a Junghans. It was a gift from my late grandmother when I was 12 years old. Over the years it stopped working. Unfortunately, I don't remember where it has ended. In those days I must have thought it was broken, though it probably needed just service. Since I loved my granny very much it would have been a great souvenir to wear in her memory. Now it hurts to know that will never happen.
Sorry to hear this. I threw away a Casio digital I wore in my early teens. This was in 2016 months before I got into watches and it might sound silly as its a tiny kids digital watch but I really, really regretted binning it.
Hopefully your Junghans will turn up. If you dont recall throwing it away it could be at the bottom of a draw or in a box in the attic. Give it some thought as sometimes out of the blue a memory flashback may lead you to its location.
I have to say, you and wrist watch revival got me into the hobby, have been watching you guys for about 3 years, finally took the plunge about a year and a half ago and have gotten to a point where i am comfortable doing it. I have become a true seikopath like you though. you should see all the early 60s to early 70s seiko's (really love working on 7619 and 8603 and 6601 movements) that i have repaired and added to my collection. anyway thanks for convincing me that it was possible for me to actually learn how to repair watches and get proficient at it!
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Hello, that's fantastic to hear. I know I have converted many guys in this hobby but its still always pleasing to here. Marshall does some great work and man did his channel blow up in a big way. I am waiting for my turn!........ (tumble weed)
Hi Mike, nice video. I think the rate picking up in pendant up/ down is due to an increase in amplitude over time causing the hairspring to just start bouncing between the curb pins. When its negative rate it is moving in between the pins but not touching them at all. Then wait a few seconds, the amplitude picks up and the hairspring starts touching the curb pins. Hairspring active length is shortened causing the rate to increase. Two ways to fix, one get the amplitude higher overall or two, gently move the curb pins closer together with your finest tweezers being very careful not to catch the hairspring. Also a demagnisation might help.
Thank you for your insight. I will take a look at the regulation pins but it will be hard for me to see and I am hesitant of an adjustment in case it goes badly wrong. I have found on the watches I review these two positions are highly stressful and show on the timegrapher, I also think it depends on the position of the balance to the crown too. Gravity and wear all must play a part. I am happy with what I have accomplished with this one, it seems to run well and keep good enough time but there is still always that nagging in my head to solve that deviation!
@@MyRetroWatches I would leave it this time as it should improve over the next few weeks as the oil gets into all the little places where it should be and the amplitude picks up a bit. With it not being your watch and sentimental to its owner it's not worth the risk.
Great job. I love those hands just as they are and the band looks great. I wouldn't change a thing. I could ware that watch all day and I would be checking it out every few minutes.
Thank you very much!
Hey mike, i started this hobby because of your channel, Thak you and keep on 😊🖖💪👏
Thats always great to hear. I hope you are enjoying the hobby.
*Great job and the microscope work was very good. It was a pleasure to watch the bits & bytes being put together under magnification.*
Thank you.
I am impressed and fascinated by your work! Greetings from the Black Forest, 10km away from Junghans in Schramberg where the watch was made.
Thank you. You should own a Junghans being so close!
Mike what great quality that was , absolutely enjoyed every minute. It is nice to see the problems that come with dismantling & assembling because that’s what happens it’s real life stuff, your a legend thank you.
Thank you very much. Clearly you enjoyed that one !
Allways perfect Mike, good job!!! I love this repair videos, ever I learn a lot with. It’s a beautiful vintage watch, Thanks👍
Your welcome and thanks for watching
What a little beauty! (The watch, not you)
Glad it's ticking away again, as long as it works, you can go in later and change out the corroded parts. Great to see it fire into life.
Thanks Endy this is a lovely watch and I was pleased to see it run again. Nice simple movement with just one gotcha, that being a left handed screw thread on the ratchet wheel!
Great video! I'm about to start my hobby and videos like this are very important for that..
I was starting to type a comment that this thing is begging to have those hands relumed with a coffee tint when you said why you didn't in the last 2 minutes. It looks just *fantastic* on that tweed strap. I have a couple of early 60's Timex Marlins on a similar strap and it's just perfect for the era's case size & style.
Haha thats typical, I had thought about re-luming but in one sense I like things original but also this has been done well. Okay it does not glow anymore but its how Bills father would have remembered it. To put this also in perspective Bill is now 80 so this Junghans has some very old memories attached to it now.
Lovely time piece and a brilliant video!
Thank you
I would be very happy, with the end result. And the strap I agree is a winner. So great job all around. Keep safe Mike
Very nice! I always enjoy your videos.
Thank you very much!
Great video Mike. Well done again. Lovely watch. Looking forward to seeing the Omega too in due course.
Good restoration
Well done Mike, another cracking vid 👍
Thank you
Thank you for the video. What a great watch. Good luck with the Omega repair. Looking forward. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you. That was fascinating! You are well suited to the job in hand. It is good to see the enthusiasm displayed by your good self. Well done and may your mainspring go on forever!
Haha I hope I never need a rewind
Wonderful job, Mike ,and a very beautiful and interesting watch .....I still find myself holding my breath when you're fitting springs 😂👏
Glad you enjoyed it. Have no fear, did you not notice the big magnet on the top of my roll top desk at the start of the video :-)
Well done Mike. I love these restorations!
Great job, Mike! Love your videos; keep up the great work.
Excellent video, as always. I learn so much from these. Thank you
Hi Mike I find these restorations really interesting , If I tried I doubt I'd remember where all the parts go, but I expect that's where experience and practice come in.
Yes its practice and taking photos along the way so you have a record if you cant remember where the parts went. Thanks for watching this episode.
Wow a live ! Happy to be there Mike,a little bit late but there !
Very nice work and a gorgeous vintage watch. Job well done, sir. Enjoyed it very much.
Thank you kindly! Pleased you enjoyed this episode.
Great job on the watch, Mike. It a good looking watch. Thank you for the video
Vintage watch services is the professional !
He is. I have never professed to be more than a hobbyist
@MyRetroWatches Appreciate that , wondered if you maybe picked up some tips if you watch the videos ?
Mike. Mentor. Really enjoyed watching. With you every frame.
Thank you Ross
Excellent job on that watch. I love that you keep your mistakes, you're probably the only one that does.
To facilitate aligning and getting the pivots to go in the jewels in the bridges, I've tried tapping the movement holder with the tweezers and that sometimes helps. No strain on the pivots and somehow it seems to help.
Thanks for sharing.
26:45 patience, perseverance, pressure! And PERFECT! PRECIOUS
hahahaha, perspiration !
A nice watch. I think the hands look okay. If the loom was falling off, then yes reloom but it looks okay even though it doesn't last long
Nice looking watch, the good thing about that Seiko reverse threaded screw is it is marked so the next watchmaker will know what you've done and nothing wrong with a bit of creative thinking to get an otherwise broken part to work. I really enjoy the channel and am now enjoying the facebook community too
You make a good point there, I was not looking so long term with the screw other than to find something that would work! pleased you like my work on the channel and find the group useful. Always nice to get feedback.
Great video Mike. Love your videos and how you deal with the problems you come across. Never experienced a left handed screw on the rachetwheel myself. Readings on the TimeGrapher you experianced I had them too. Now looking more and more on the condition of the pivots and the teeth of the wheels. Also the jewels can ruin the beatrate.
GL and stay healthy ❤
Superb video Mike 😂😂
Live Bolton-time!!!! Wow!!!
Many thanks Mike.
I didnt know you were watching as you were messaging me at the same time mate. It was the only time I had this week to premier it. I plan to premier all my restoration views so viewers can join in the chat if they want to.
Great Job on this one!👍 Junghans vintage are one of my favorite ones!
I’ve enjoyed my first Junghans repair! More in the future hopefully
Wonderful video Mike, as always. Question: where’s the case back?
Always enjoy your videos. great work.
Thank you Sonny. They are always full of struggles but I keep learning along the way
@@MyRetroWatches The struggle and learning are my favorite part. im a tool guy so my favorite part is the repair. then the reward of a working watch !!!!!
That's a nice watch, I don't mind vintage watches that run, I will say for how it turned out, that well.
The strap works, I bought a tweed strap of ali years ago, never known what watch to put it onto.
Thanks, well now you know a tweed watch will go well with a cream or brown dial vintage watch.
The left thread Seiko screw is better than the original as it is marked and the original wasn't, so you're sure to turn it in the right way
Unrelated to this video, but do you ever work on vintage Smiths watches?? It would be great to see a restoration of an old Smiths Deluxe or an Everest!
Nice Job! I took the watchmaker's course, but still have not made the major dive in, as it would be somewhat costly for me, but I'm hoping someday that I can have a go at trying my hand at repairing my 1st watch. Always enjoy watching your videos.
I’d like to do a course but it’s finding the time to do it.
Está bonito.
I wouldn't feel too bad about the broken screw, you could see that it was broken by the by someone else as there was only a sliver of shiny metal and the rest of it looked corroded/aged.
Clearly the previous watchmaker(s) weren't using hollow ground screwdrivers or they were using the wrong size bc you can see several of the heads have damage from screwdriver cam out as you were removing them.
I really like the color of the hand, that fluorescent-equse blue color really makes the hands stand out. Turned out great. 👍👍
Yes I did notice how bad the screw heads were and just hoped no one thought it was my skill marking them up like that. Hands are just right really but its still a shame the movement under the barrel has 23 scratched into it.
The hands look perfect. Glad you did not re-lume it. There is something about that colour that suits it perfectly.
Thanks. I figured this is how Bills father had the watch so why mess with it. Had the lume been missing I may have considered but then what remained could well be radium and I dont fancy scratching that off even if the risk is small. I have already had one dance with cancer.
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Hey Mr Bolton have you ever tried curved tweezers? I find them easier to manipulate parts. Love your videos. They aren’t polished like other watchmakers who seem to never make a mistake 😅
I have some but never got into them . I would now be lost without my pair, it’s looks a snooker player and his Que loose that and you may as well give up!
A beautiful watch Mike. You can pop that one in a jiffy bag for me!
why certainly sir.
Like me broken the barrel screw Jungjans 82/1 last week. 😂😂😂
mate thats a nice restoration!! you are to critical on yourself, these old watches always have huge variations, they were never adjusted when new so would have always had some variation. Also i have noticed my weishi 1000 is not great at picking up the movement while cased and can give odd results.
Those balance shock jewels are awful things, i tend to put the chaton in then the jewel on top with some rodico after oiling. They are Junghans own shock system and the part number is 526 and 527
There are a number of this style such as ultrabloc, contrachoc all based on specific manufactures and their calibers.
you should have a patron page!!!
Thanks. The jewels were just nuts. I was actually talking to a professional on Friday and saying to him that the setting did not have a lip for the jewel to rest in place so it just slid around.
He was also quite taken back by it.
I could probably regulate a bit more out of the deviation but I don’t use watches to the second. If they are still within a minute at the end of the day for me is good enough .
I have considered Patreon or membership but I just see it as begging. Asking you all for money so I can make content. It then means I have to give you all something more to justify the income.
It takes so long just to make a video like this so making some exclusive content each month would be so much more work.
All I want is more subscribers and 1000s more views. It’s views that pay.
1,000,000 views on a video could give you £2000+ in revenue, it’s why I don’t understand massive channels on the platform like car channels I enjoy asking for money all the time. They take it in as it is . I don’t think the typical viewer has any idea how much money can be made on this platform with success.
I give a thump up! :D
thank you.
I'm just starting out so your videos are very helpful. Any suggestions on books to read?
I have not really read books, I am more of a doer rather than translate what I read into practice. I do have one book though which is good but very details and advanced in places.The Watch Repairer's Manual
Fried, Henry B
I also broke the ratchet wheel screw on the same movement once. If remember correctly it was threaded the opposite direction of what I thought it was.
This is how we always break them sadly. Most movements they are marked on the screw head with 3 slots so you know but I guess back then and being German they thought to try to catch us out!
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Under your macro lens that yoke looks massive. Lol
Would it be an idea to soak these old movements in proper release oil for 48 hours before disassembly to avoid screw shearing. After all its all going thru the cleaning system after anyway.
Ok, you convinced me to sub... I'll watch. (pun intended)
Nice pun and thanks for the sub!!
"What could go wrong?"
Mr. Murphy who laid down the law: "If anything can go wrong it will ... AND AT THE MOST INOPPORTUNE TIME" will visit?
(most folks omit the second half of Mr. Murphy's law, for some reason.)
By the way ... 'The General's Credo' is: "Mr. Murphy is (was) an optimist." 😊
Hi Mike I have just serviced a j98 now that was tricky as it seems to have the drive for the centre seconds riveted through the plate
I have seen the riveted and friction fit wheels there are (typically) special tools for that job....
Which I don't have it took literally hours to try and slide the rest in under the plate had to walk away a couple of times but hurray for microscopes
Had that happen a few times, forgotten to put on the setting lever screw only to notice once I got to the keyless works. Face palm. I would definitely replace that setting lever, if you can find one.
We all live and learn by that mistake!
If someone's noted this below, don't mind me: it looks like the barrel has a lot of end-shake when you put the bridge back on.
I would have to check as I didn’t notice to be honest. Thanks
Hello, what can be the reason for all those empty holes in the bottom plate?
Hi Mike, Great job, but where is the cleaning montage? I miss the music you add with it. 😂
I didnt do it on this, hard to explain but this was not intended to be a full length video but that changed when I got stuck on the Omega.
@@MyRetroWatches Hi Mike, But full lengths are always great from you!
stresses me out to just watch you and i have the patience of Job
No one is forcing you to watch my videos.
A hands re-lume will benefit the overall look.
They won’t be lumed. Keeping it as original as it came into me
Your barrel bridge needs repair, it has excessive wear. The barrel arbor has ovalized its bush on the bridge and possibly on the main plate too. You can punch it up with your staking set. The Chronoglide Watchmaking channel has an excellent tutorial on how to do it; It’s definitely one of the reasons for the chaotic timegrapher readings. Explore the end-shake on all the wheels, you want minimal up/down movement while each wheel still spins freely. Your Horia tool sitting up there should make short work of it. The oiling of the cap stones needs to be more precise, specifically the balance stones; they should have exactly the same amount on the lower and upper stones, a perfect circle directly in the middle. Any discrepancy in the oil amount or location will greatly affect your positional error.
Thank you for this detailed reply. I will revisit the barrel bridge to see if that is the case. Sometimes the camera angles can be deceptive.
I would certainly like to improve the positional error and improve my skills in the process.
Thank you .
Dang I didn't get a notification of your live.
Sorry Jeff. It was very last minute. I needed to post a video as the algorithm has not been kind and this was the only time this week I have to dedicate to a premier.
@MyRetroWatches no problem I still found it. It's extremely great to see some seiko screws fit other brands of watch. I have a Glashutte GUB 70.1 that I did the exact same thing to and can't find a replacement at the moment. Mine is in the main plate instead of the barrel arbor. If I can remove it from the main plate I'm going to try several other screws. I don't know why I didn't think of trying other screws from other types of watches. I do it with car parts all the time. Never figured it would work with other watches. My stinkin thinkin I guess. Lol
Could the issue have anything to do with the jewel you were having trouble with?
The balance jewel? Not sure but I would not think it would show a deviation like that one the graph.
Screws always have a tendency to loosen, which is why they are usually secured. You never really see that with watch movements (although, exceptionally, some of the screws of this Junhans watch did have springs). Why is it not necessary to secure the screws of watch movements?
I am not sure what you mean by secure. Screws are just hand tightened, you dont what to be locking the threads with anything nor do you want to over tighten. If a watch is serviced regular then screws should not really come too lose to be a problem depending on what the owner has put it through. The longer you leave them just expansion / contraction will effect there torque. In my opinion anyway.
Very interesting to watch,I have a Seiko H556 -500A,it was an 18th birthday gift from my father.The LCD works fine but not the analogue. My hobby is digital watches, have to do mine on kitchen table etc. Can you recommend a postal repairer, I don't live in the UK, local repair shop just said to old, no spares.Any help greatly appreciated.I have tried googling.
I have a guy who might be able to fix that. he is in the uk. my email is in the video description so please send me a message and I will pass on his details.
@@MyRetroWatches thanks I will
Great video I’m 70 and thinking of taken this hobby any help where to start
Buy a watch something simple like a dress watch with no day or date complications. 15 jewels or more make things a bit easier.
Good magnification that you can make your hands free, be it a visor or some loupes with a head band.
Then some tools. Drivers, tweezers and a movement holder to start with.
Just watched a 15 min video on microscope use this afternoon :)
A Devious thing from the Junghans' side to make the Ratchet Wheel Screw left handed but not mark it as such. Every Watchmaker and his dog knows to be cautious about the threading of the Crown Wheel even as it isn't marked as left threaded, but the Ratchet Wheel usually is fastened with just an ordinary Screw.
I'd call it a Trap.
I have to agree on the trap! I got away with it this time luckily.
@@MyRetroWatches The next watchmaker repairing that watch does not fall to the same trap, thanks to Seiko! 😇
#23 maybe this was Michael Jordan’s watch
Can you recommend a not too expensive, decent microscope to work on watches?
Can you paint a Galaxy watch 6 (not the classic mode) so that it's all silver?
I would have no idea
do you find your readings improve after a day or so once the oils have settled in ?
Sometimes, not always.
Maybe the number 23 was put there because the watchmaker was working on more than one watch at a time and didn't want to put the wrong barrel in.🤔
It could well be something like this. Service marks in the caseback is one thing but vandalising a movement like this is, at least in todays world frowned upon.
So did I see that both the crown and ratchet wheel were reverse thread?? Yeah, that would confuse me bad...
Yes thats exactly right and why I broke the screw I think, a moment of lapse of concentration and its all over!
@@MyRetroWatches How would you know?? Neither screw looked like it had any identification on the top! ...those are the things that terrify me...especially on a client's watch...
I would like to ask your opinion: I have a Radium alarm clock. It is complete, absolutely intact. Radiation level of this clock is about 1 uSv. (we measured it) How big is the risk level to owning such a watch? Is it risky to put it onto a shelf in a living room. Is ti better to keep it in a metal box? All this radiation thing is mistery for me. Thank you for advice in advance!
I loved the Seiko screw solution!! :)
Wrist watches, pocket watches and clocks are perfectly safe when it comes to radiation. The radiation is so microscopic that it is almost non existing. You receive more radiation from just walking on the streets. Have a good day mate.:-)
@@willyvonbusche729 Thank you!!!!
@@excdracmagyarszarnyak2398 My pleasure mate.
They are fine just leave undisturbed . It’s only ingesting the radium that could cause some adverse effects. I keep radium dials in that box while working on them so if any particles fall off I’m not mixing it. I use finger cots and always then dispose of them after contact .
I am a bit more cautious than many but I think it comes from having prostate cancer last year.
@@MyRetroWatches Quite understandable mate. Keep up the good work. Wish you all the best.
How that give thumps up if like us. You don't made bad videos 😄😄😄
Thank you.
Did I miss the cleaning?
I just didn’t film it on this one. It was not originally going to be a full length video .
@@MyRetroWatches I kept thinking I was missing something!
nice dial but look like watch has some issue rate is flutuating to much.
Yes it was and its a shame. I need to spend more time learning how to diagnose that positional error to try to correct it. Watch is 70-80 years old so I can expect it not to be perfect.
Iam from Pakistan i have a jungans wall clock which is approximately above 50 years old. If i send you a picture of this one may you tell me the year of model.
I would not know anything. I can only date this watch because of the owners father.
Great resto, not a fan of the strap you chose though.
That’s fair enough
So did you just assemble watch movement and didnt talk ?
?this was not meant or be a video I was actually filming it to be a fast forward 3 minute video to be played in the Omega video but now that is delayed for some time and because this had some interesting issues I decided to post in long form. Watch was cleaned but I didn’t film that bit.
Strap....no.
fair enough but I think it works.
OMG I can hardly watch....23 23 23 its the devils sister........
Great honest video Mike, loved it!. You've inspired me to get back to my bench!👍⌚🕰️
I’ve not been at my bench as much as I’d like too more recently .