Creality cr scan lizard vs the revopoint mini - Whats the best hobby 3d scanner going into 2023?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The future is here, and you can scan objects into your computer for under $1000, but before you spend your money on a scanner, know which one to choose!
We are comparing the creality cr-scan lizard vs the revopoint mini, both of which are the newest 3d scanners aimed at hobbyists on the market! (these are the successors to the revopoint pop2 and the cr-scan 01)
Its a close battle for the title of best scanner, but who will win?
Thanks for the comparison, I backed rhe mini without looking into revopoint enough and didn't know the flaws in the software. It's been a serious struggle and it doesn't seem like they're overly interested in fixing it at this point.. I even suggested a subscription for updates kind of model which I'm dead set against generally, but I think they just deleted my comments..
The shortcomings of each one's handheld mode were dealbreakers. Good expose. Thumbs up.
Great review bud, perfectly shows that each scanner has its own advantages and compromises.
You might wanna try CR studio.2022.5.19.0020 software, it’s the older style and whilst not quite as stable gives more options on output and processing than the newer software and gives me much better accuracy than you got.
Loving the work tho bud… new sub here!
Hey, sorry - your comment got held up in the youtube review queue, first off - thanks for checking the video out. I watch your channel a fair bit, so cool to see you here! your video on how to do the cross section planes with the intersect lines on a mesh for reverse engineering seriously changed my design workflow when dealing with 3d scans!
I have 2022.5.19 installed, i might have referred to it in the video as cr studio lite, idk if that anegdote made it into the final video. I used to use it almost exclusively, but i found the newer versions of the modern ui software to be stable enough now, though i prefer the layout of 2022.5.19. I don't think i tried comparing the accuracy on the 40mm cube between the software, so ill give that a go after the holiday madness dies down!
Hi David, do you find the older software doesn't do as much autofilling of scan files?
Fantastic video, thanks for the comparison. I got the kickstarter Lizard, intending to use for reverse engineering car parts. I have been really wanting a revo mini to try out, the scans look so promising! But had heard the software was kinda crap. I much appreciate a view into revoscan and the workflow, it looks frustrating compared to CRscan, especially with the lack of pointcloud editing. I will say it's a heck of a learning curve to getting good scans, trying to appease bothe the scanner and the software.
Again, thank you for the insightful video, my wants for the MINI have been curbed a bit.
you can try cr studio new software now, it is wayyyy much better that the old one
Great video, I had a friend help me scan a 12" tall twig with his revopoint and it took us hours to do hand held. For what I need I think the Lizzard will be the ticket. Excellent review.
Mini is designed for scanning small objects mounted on turntable. If you prefer to scan something bigger -revoscan offers Pop2 and soon will be available Range scanner
You can set the point distance in Revo Scan to get more high-accuracy models
Yep, it produces awesome resulta
My experience was different I started with the lizard and it was a chore to scan my car vent to make a replacement. I tried for a month and couldn't get any good scan data even with 3d scan spray. Then I ordered the mini and it was way easier to scan the vent. I have some good scan data now but the mini software does suck when trying to merge multiple scans. Still have the lizard but I don't think I'll be holding on to it. Going to buy the pop2 for larger scans.
Yeah I think I will buy the pop2 additional to the mini too. The mini is really good but not so much for bigger parts or car surfaces.
I think you can get a discount buying directly from Revopoint when you already have a mini too.
where you able to get the mini to work in handheld mode? i am planning to make storage bins for my vehicle
@@kitmarshall4084sorry I didn't see the reply. Yes I did get it to work in hand held mode. But the turn table is the way to go since it s better at smaller items.
Unfortunately I ended up sending back my Revo Mini. It just failed scanning too many times for me. It would lose tracking around 90% before finished. The RevoStudio was good software. It failed scanning flat white objects, Disney Infinity Characters, controller faceplate. The tracking dots on the dual axis turntable were useless. Almost every scan with the marker stickers failed. Feature seemed to be the most successful scanning mode.
I had the same issues..
I also have both. Hope revopoint improves tracking. Lizard is amazing in that aspect and mini is a headache.
I have also both. They're very different. Mini is for small objects like toys/jewelry, lizard for the bigger ones human faces (less detail needed).
Could mod a record player for a speed control and have a fancy looking scanner table setup.
Or, go wild and use a robotic arm to control the rotation of a object from any angle!
Hire a friend that doesnt drink or use caffeine if you dont have robotics is an option.
I want to scan people and scale them down for printing as scale models. I'm thinking the creality would be the best for that.
so, i have been meaning to make a video on the einstar, since i bought one over 6 months ago... but life got in the way. i would recommend it over both of these if you have the extra budget
I bought the Shining 3D Einstar. Better tracking and better software. I have the mini and the tracking is not good. You need to trick it with scanning targets. Handheld it’s almost not useable.
The POP2 is a little better because of the higher FOV but the Einstar is so easy to handle. Almost no tracking issues and it scans black objects pretty good too. Scanned car interiors this week with it.
But the einstar 3d model /result is less detailed than the mini
@@BrickBazooka i tested the Einstar for a week. You cant throw the mini and Einstar in the same bucket. They have different usage cases.
I would never scan a car trunk with the mini. With the Einstar it was super easy.
But in the end i returned it and bought the Einscan-SP because i needed something between min and Einstar.
For scanning car part or parts slightly bigger than a controller the Einstar is really good!
@@Todestelzer I know you from another post hehe. What is your application for the sp? When having mini, why would you consider sp? Sp is older and should be less accurate
@@BrickBazooka SP is more accurate but has slightly less resolution.
I use it for parts around the size of a PS controller and the software is way better. There is so much more you can do you have to watch reviews.
The mini is sometimes better than the SP. I use the SP 90% if the time. Maybe I will buy the Einstar someday too if I have more need for it.
My application is it’s a hobby of mine. I have a 3D printer, CNC and way to much electronic stuff.
I make some money with it, around 5-700€ last year but it’s still just a hobby.
Here’s a vid of something I recently build.
I needed a scanner to scan the original part to make my replacement.
USB charging ports and light switches.
Audi A6 ash try mod.
ua-cam.com/users/shortsuHMuKiS1JuE?feature=share
@Todestelzer would you say SP accuracy is a Software thing? Cause I thought SP has 0.05 accuracy and MINI 0.025. Yeah same goes for me I have a Creality Lizard for big stuff and a MINI for small objects. Im thinking about buying the SP, just because of scan experience. I saw a lot of reviews on UA-cam, that SP Scanner Software had of course more time to develop, cause it's older
Having bought the revopoint pop 1 last year, having them come out with the pop 2 a couple of weeks after getting the 1 and then having the scanner be a total shitshow as far as tracking, not liking anything black, and having multiple hours of frustration dealing with the softwares lack of use in fusing images and being total garbage makes me never considering anything revopoint ever again. For what these cost and having seen a review of the the Shining 3D Einstar the other day in which the scan is fantastic without any of the issues during the scan or using the software in which the user start to finish took about 30 minutes to get done compared with the hours of frustration, between these two and the Einstar the clear winner is the Einstar. Why bother wasting money on these which both have issues when you can spend only $200 more and get something that actually does what you want it to?
THanks, As I suspected. I just hope The Mini will keep a constant, aggressive updating schedule on both hardware and software. I will give it a year to see if there are improvements, I never buy first gen.
Very detailed and useful info. Thank you.
Any chance you would test out an Einscan SE? I know the Mini has slightly better dimensional accuracy but it would be interesting to see how they compare when the software is considered.
I'm torn on this because I backed the mini as I plan on using it to scan stuff for cars, and so far it works for the things I have scanned. However just like many scanners including some really expensive scanners like the Artec Eva has trouble with darker objects, The Artec only has trouble with glossy/ black (just add trackers not a great scan but usable) from my experience where as the scanners made more for hobbyists tend to have trouble with dark objects in general, trackers or not. I really hope the Scanner tech will get better so that the price difference can shrink just like the FDM Printers and Resin Printers have (Cost about the same now). As for the revopoint Mini, I backed the premium package which comes with a stabilizer that has yet to ship and is still in the testing phase so it sounds like they are working diligently on the freehand scanning right now I'm curious as to how much the natural human shaking while moving is causing the scanner to loose track and go crazy. I have seen some people actually scan some rather large things with it so it may be in how you prep things use more dots and odd shaped stickers and the scanning spray helps a ton. great video though.
Thanks! and yeah, the footage of me hand scanning is all very sped up (like 300%+ iirc depending on the shot). In person, i was trying to be VERY stable with it... it was a lot easier with the phone setup though, as my PC was off to the left of where i was scanning. looking at a screen in line with your scan target is much better than off to the side at a screen.
as for the mini vs the lizard, the lizard setup was way more unruly - It has that power/data split cable, which meant that one side was going over to a power strip, and the usb side over to my PC... with the scanner almost equidistant from both making a triangle. This made it a lot harder to scan than the mini, and even with that complication it did a MUCH better job.
I also am hoping the gimbal and spray will make a difference, but im fully confident the issue is primarily in the software right now. As for the dark objects, I have had some mixed results. I scanned some coffee stuff as well as a pepper grinder (both to make custom 3d printed stands) and those worked fine on the mini... I just don't think it could do light+dark in one scan. You would probably need 2 or 3 at different exposures, and then manually align them.
@@MethodicalMaker I just had a thought, given the Mini's size and how close you need to be to the object when scanning, maybe adding more dots to the object will help it track better. I bought 1/2 inch label stickers to replace the expensive black and white ones. they tend to pickup better and they are cheap so you can buy thousands for a fraction of the price of the ones that come with the mini.
@@TG-gh2su good to know about the replacement stickers. as for the density of them, i tried to aim for a spacing similar to what the turntable had on it, since i assumed they optimized the dot placement on there. ill try out some alternatives though. I also saw an android app update came out... the changelog only talks about fixing a crash, but i hope it also addressed handheld scanning. I havent had a chance to play with it yet though
@@MethodicalMaker I had to place a bunch of additional dots to the turntable to get good tracking. I think you need 6 dots visible all the time.
So scanning big parts is probably not the best usage for the mini.
I want to know the difference between these two devices and senseplus.
Same frustrations with the handheld scanning on the Mini here, loving it apart from that (and the android app not having dual axis turntable yet)
yeah, heres to hoping they are working on it. They had a package with a handheld stabilizer, so hopefully getting better SLAM tracking is p0 for them!
@@MethodicalMaker I don’t think it will get better. The problem is you need 5-6 dots visible all the time and the mini has a really small scanning area.
I have the mini but for bigger parts I will use Photogrammetry.
Just popped up to say I watch this video for a second or third time. I have a Revopoint Mini scanner. And as you say, the tracking of the software SUCKS absolutely. They need to completely overhaul it. Will they have something like Creality software (yeah, I know about Creality are being sued for stealing some significant part of it) along with their excellent hardware, it could be the ideal home 3D scanner, but I don't really believe they will. Made a post on Revopoint forum with linking in your video (the part you made a try free hand scan of the vise) along with the other videos, where people complain about Revopoint tracking. Hope to push them a bit, maybe they'll pay some attention to the software issues.
Yeah, i got my handheld scanning gimbal in the mail last week, i have been busy with work so haven't had a chance to mess with it yet, but im hoping that the software plays better with it, but unless it has some internal sensors that report back to the software (which, i really doubt), i don't think its going to add too much benefit.
anyway, if it does, ill try to do a follow up video
It seems that neither are worth buying. Both have major issues at this point in time. Has anyone found a more pricy one which works well?
The scan lizards connector isn’t proprietary, it’s a standard LEMO style connector. Had one on both my red cameras. The can be bought easily but genuine lemo is expensive.
oh! thanks for sharing! i leaned something new :)
I think the result still stands, I doubt finding a replacement cable would be easy, but a replacement USB cable is 2 day shipped on amazon for 10 bucks!
with that being said, i do really like the feel of the LEMO connector, and might try to source some cheap ones for future projects!
@@MethodicalMaker Ya definitely the result still stands. Finding LEMO to USB probably not an Amazon purchase.
As soon as I opened the box that was actually the thing that impressed me the most, as you never see LEMO in consumer grade anything.
That's good to know, that was a major concern when I got my Lizard
I'm really not sure why creality doesn't let you change the fusion quality in the new software or the automatic process for the old software. Manually selecting 6 for the fusion quality in the old software gets such better results. They are hamstringing their product for no reason.
Спасибо. Самый лучший обзор этих устройств.👍
thanks
What I learned: both scanners kinda suck and I should keep waiting for the tech to improve.
I was going to buy the mini, but read that is is not designed for "bigger" objects (tracking loss?)
I plan to use it on car parts, from engine blocks to small brackets (20mm to 400mm sizes)
It seems the Pop2 would be better suited for this, but with a lower resolution.
Anyone have experiences with scanning large objects with the mini?
Just spent 8 hours trying to scan a 5 qt oil bottle with a mini. Nothing worked - it lost tracking and I tried lots of different ways. Just ordered a pop2 which is built for larger objects. Amazon said I should get it in two days, so I should be able to complete the project for a client in time. I am going to use the scan with 3DS Max to generate artwork for a catalog for VR Racing (commercial project). I usually build 3D models for projects, or buy them on turbosquid, but the complex shape of the oil bottle would be a pain to model completely accurately, so I am trying scanning. I will probably keep the mini for scanning smaller objects with more precision for future projects.
@@tguthery4 Thank you for your answer.
I saw someone on UA-cam scanning a whole cylinder head with the mini and the result were very good. I will try and research some more on this subject
if remember correctly creality was getting sued for this scanner and had to stop production for a few months. still shocked scanning tech hasnt evolved much in ten years
They were, it made the kickstarter process very annoying. they took everyones money, and then the news about the lawsuit came out the next day. It was radio silence for a month, and then a single email came out basically saying "you either agree to a refund, you you go to this pledgebox site and move your pledge over to it". I did the latter, but a lot of people were sketched out and just opted for the refund. It was another month+ of not hearing anything about my order, and then it just showed up on my doorstep one day.
I assume the process would be a lot smoother now though.
Do you know if the creality software allows one to combine scans from the scan lizard and cr scan 01? Since the two scanners have different size limits and resolution, i was thinking this could allow scanning of a large object with the cr scan 01 and addition of detail features with the scan lizard.
If you cannot in the crstudia app, you can for sure in external software
Hello, I bought the lizard scanner a few weeks ago and I still haven't been able to connect to my old PC, I'll have to buy a laptop PC, what specifications do you recommend? graphics card, ram memory, chip . etc. Thank you .
go with what the manufacturer recommends, I didn't test it on low end components. Are you sure its not an issue with software? i assume on an old PC that it should still connect, just be very slow when scanning and processing
Well, I confess that I'm surprised with the flow of your presentation! Thanks in advance but on my side I've been trying to get a decent and usable scan with my Crealty Lyzard for several days without success! I have already installed several versions of the program that the manufacturer is constantly updating but every time I try to align the « layers » of the multi-Scan process the machine shuts down and I have to start over again !! What version of CR STUDO did you install? Thanks
2.5.2, though before i was using cr studio lite since i found it to be more stable than the other 2.x releases. Maybe give that a go? I haven't had any crashing with 2.5.2 though. Maybe see if the program uses too much ram and windows auto closes it? i imagine alignment will be more memory intensive. if thats the case, you could try adjusting your swap file settings in windows. 2.5.4 also just came out, but i havent used it yet
I agree that the object tracking may be the biggest downfall
Hi, are the inaccuracies consistent, could they be adjusted for when scanning for reproducing parts? Also, neither reach out and say buy me are there any others you have tested that overcome the bad points you found?
These are the only two i have used. The inaccuracies are not consistent, but you can do things like use 3d scanning spray to get the error margin smaller. Also, while both do have their shortcomings, its incredible that 3d scanners are attainable to the hobbyist, as just a handful of years ago, 3d scanning was something you had to DIY, or spend 5000+ usd to get.
They aren't perfect, but if you do a lot of 3d modeling / functional 3d printing where you don't have cad files to start from, having an impercise scanner will get the basic geometry captured, and you can re-create the part in cad with a pair of calipers A LOT quicker than doing it from scratch (especially when dealing with compound curves and hard to measure angles)
@@MethodicalMaker hi, thank you for your quick response.
@@H2Dwoat No worries, thanks for checking the video out! hope you find what your looking for, even if its not one of these. You might want to check out Making for Motorsport. Its a real good long form educational channel when it comes to 3d scanning. He just did a recent video reviewing another scanner targeted at hobbyests
@@MethodicalMaker hi, I’m interested in combining different natural materials such as stone and wood and am hoping to be able to scan for example a polished river stone and cnc a fitted pocket in wood to accept it. I don’t think the accuracy is there in either of the scanners. Back to the drawing board 🤓.
If I scan an object that is 4" x 4", does the 3D software read it as 4" x 4", or do I need to rescale it?
it reads it true to size. the only thing is that your object ends up not being at a 0 point, so once you import it into cad, you will have to move/rotate it to get the faces aligned with your x/y/z plane. but the size is correct!
you need scanning spray for the mini also. It is blue light tech. And red is not a color the blue can see well
revopoint has their own android app to control the turntable standalone.
Creality made a product that isn't garbage? Well, blow me down.
I get better results with the lizard to be honest
glad i didnt buy either of these in recent black friday sales
You should use a real objects to scan and not a 3d plastic print. You will see the results of the lizard will be much better and sharper. At least that is my experience with my lizard.
oh, with the calibration cube? ill have to try that. I have some 3d scan spray and a 3-2-1 block to test with now. As for the bust, that was injection molded and came with the mini - i did most of my tests with that to be honest... i took over 20 scans with each scanner when testing lighting
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You cant compare the lizzard vs the mini because they are different scanner technology.
Isn't that like saying you can't compare electric vs gas power tools? They're different technology, but you're comparing how well they do the job. The inner components don't matter.
weird, cause im pretty sure I just did
Why do you think so? Aren't they both Structured Light Scanners?
The Mini is built for high precision scanning. Handheld works great once you learn how to scan with it. A steady smooth hand is a must. I have a Mini along with 2 other scanners. It does what it was designed for at a great price. The scan quality is on par with 12K scanners. It takes lots of practice to learn how to get the best results. Fixtures, scanning spray, repeatable scanning environment (dark), markers, and jigs help a lot to get repeatable quality and accuracy. If all this is to much hassle, just buy a EinScan HX. Great scanner for what it does. Faster and easier. Just keep in mind. There is not one scanner that does it all. Most professionals have 2 to 3 scanners to cover their needs.
Try to keep 5 to 6 markers in frame when scanning items like the vice. Adding more around the object will allow you to to rotate and transition better. I know it's more setup time, but everyone needs to determine is the extra time justified. Cleaner scan means less post processing. Sometimes I'll just CAD the part out if it's faster. I hope this information helps someone.
The thing is the MINI is build to scan 50x50mm objects and the lizard for bigger parts. I would say use both.
Conclusion: both scanners are garbage
Sorry mate , but ASC is a fact standard in pointclouds, I just export the pointcloud just fine and is filtered and meshed up with almost every software. Not sure your point there, just your comment doesn't fit to the real thing.
You cannot remove point by the not included color kit as something negative, as you didn't included the scanners price either, so,.the Mini got the colour thing but the scanner is almost twice the price. By much less of that you get the colour kit, is positive can choose, in the mini you pay for it yes or yes. So just don't compare that part.
Other think I don't understand how you can valuate by the same value , 1, a thing as desing, or color kit, more when you didn't buy the colour kit, than fail in the main task of a scan, the scanning, for me cannot scan in hand held mode when it advice it, it is not only that should penalty 2 or 3 points, I just would call it a scam and the company should recall the product and they know it doesn't fit to purpose and still sold it, because for sure they tested it better than you, knew it didn't work and still sold it.and advertised it, lamentable a company do that