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@@quantpsy3565 absolutely. Zero torque on the 4.0. With minor modifications the 2.5 roasts the 4.0 as well. 4.0 belongs in a GT car like the spyder’s chassis
I've got a 718 Cayman T! The spec on the one you've got is a bit poverty which I thought is strange for a press car, but you are right about a daily, I daily mine and love it, although you are correct, this is my first Porsche. Absolutely spot on review although I disagree a little on powerband issue, but mine is a PDK so it shifts so ridiculously quickly you never notice it having to change gear often.
You totally nailed it with this review. I have a base Cayman specced up like a T as I ordered mine in 2016 when the T was not available. The comments you make are spot on. It is my first Porsche and I love it but there is lag leaving you wanting below 3k revs which is massively exasperated by the high gearing. Setting off you can rev the nuts off it in 1st but slow corners you are unlikely to drop to first so get left in 2nd with a load of lag before it picks up. Mine is manual, I guess PDK can work around this engine somewhat because it would drop to first in slow corners. You are also totally right about Sport+ - its very clever it actually keeps the throttle open (ie air) flowing through the engine when you momentarily lift off and instead cuts fuel flow. By keeping air flowing through the engine and therefore exhaust is means the turbo keeps spooled up and you can see it hovers at 0.2bar instead of 0 so when you get back on the throttle there is no lag, but it does mean you get no bangs and crackles on the overrun as there is no fuel in the exhaust to ignite.
I am confused. Quite a few people are complaining about the long gearing paired with the 4.0 GTS high-revving engine. No way to use all gears in spirited driving on public roads. So, logically, the long manual gearing paired with the 2.0 turbo's torque band sounds right. Do I miss something here?
I agree that the base 2.0 is lacking the sound you would want especially at this price point. The one I would get is the GTS 4.0 Cayman. Without a doubt it’s the best Cayman for a more street daily type of car as opposed to the much more track focused GT4. My only issue is the price. It’s starts at $90,000 before tax and dealers fees. So out the door with maybe one or two options you’re over $100,000 US. That’s quite a keep over a used clean 981 or new 718 S. For now I’ll keep driving my great sounding powerful Bullitt Mustang, although it’s not as nimble as the Cayman, it cost only $50,000.
£136pm extra gets you into a 4.0GTS.... easy choice. BUT, there's a niche for the T and it's a a spec rarity. If you're not fussed by turbo lag and the sound then it's a wicked daily.
Would you rather have a 981 Cayman S over the 718 Cayman T? They are in a similar price range. I would have thought the 718 would have more torque for a daily.
Why does everyone wants the newest model? I'd rather have a 987 or 981 Cayman than a 718. Also think the 981 is prettier but that's personal preference.
Btw, good honest review. You would think that someone with a good relationship to the Cayman would be the last person to criticize a Porsche but you're just honest. Thumbs up!
Tire sports car needs more than a four pot cylinder, only the light weight 4C or A110 can pull off a four pot in a way mass car produces struggle. If it is not six cylinder flat six, then please take it back to the factory. Nice review Sid, your opinion counts to me as a proper driver.
I think It was a fair opinion, and seeing as you've owned a few Porsche Caymans you would know what to look out for. I'm currently thinking of getting into my first Porsche Cayman 981 s so it was good to hear your views on previous Caymans. Just out of interest Sid, would you go with a a 2014 Cayman 981 s or for around the same sort of money an older 911 997.2 s?
“To be honest”, too harsh. Maybe you drove this car on a bad day. I’ve driven a lot of cars, turbo and naturally aspirated, and owned some pretty sweet cars and I would never criticize the four banger like you have done. I will say that you are not alone, there are a lot of reviewer‘s who are hung up on the “soundtrack“. To me, a driving experience is only very slightly affected by the sound of the vehicle, as long as it handles very well. The 718 Boxster at any level is an excellent car, soundtrack be damned. The car that you’re trying to help give away is a turbocharged four-cylinder Golf R and it is also an excellent car.
The cayman T makes perfect sense in China. Where everyone is buying the 2.0T cos of taxation brackets. The 2.5t is just a step up in tax. The Chinese base 718 2.0t only makes 250PS for starting price of 540,000rmb (£61.5k) the Cayman T has 300PS and starts at 640,000rmb (£72.9k). The cayman s starts at 778,000rmb ( £88.6k). The Chinese market is also stuck with the 2.5T GTS cos the 4.0 would be a huge amount of tax. These prices quoted don't include luxury car tax, and local taxes only VAT included.
Damn, Sid not holding back! Good honest review, but tbh its the sort of price point i dont normally surf in. I'd probably get the Alpina though simply for the ride and collectable/resale factor, plus it looks more special tbh
also this 1.8 turbo engine straight from Renault Megane has *so much* better sound than Cayman's 2.0 liter taken from 911 with 2-cylinders taken out and turbo added.
Is the problem that there is little competition so they didn't have to build a fantastic car? The whole VW group is all about a car for every price point, seems like this is just one of them.
There is a reason they make the smaller engines. As the cayman is still “offordable” i and many others dont want to pay 4000€ for the s and 9000 for the 4.0 to put it on the road. The T is 1800€ so i know what to pick even if the sound is crap xD.
You could get a lest gen fiesta st and an older cayman while also having money to Insure both of them for less than this car, I think that's the way to go
The tall gears are for people who are not trying to impress themselves or others. It is designed to DOWNSHIFT from 2nd to 1st , something others cannot do
@@SidNorth clearly you cannot drive dynamically. Just a bro who accelerates and then calls it a day. Stupid people with money is kind of funny. Which is you.
297 horsepower from a Porsche? All be it an entry one that is pathetic. An a35 produces more. That’s near on standard golf gti/ golf r territory ( don’t quote me on that )
100% agree....The "T" is just another marketing package that cannot compensate the many downsides of the WRX....eh...Porsche 4 cylinder engine.....Glad to have the 981 GTS.......
Hello did I always watch your vids , I have a new shape BMW 1-Series 118i sport there isn’t many reviews on the sport model so if u would like to do a review in it then your welcome , oviously now fwd but in certain conditions the back in lives to dance around , you can give it a good spanking and I’d love to be passenger , I love to have a play myself but I’d like you to do a review I will come and meet you to do it It will be a day out for me , pls get in touch thanks Sid keep up good work
Agree. Under all the complaining about the sound (better noise) of the engine, most reviewers forgot about the other things this engine unfortunatelly isn't very good at. Like you said turbo lag (lot's of it) and also the sheer unpleasant vibrations and rumblings in the back. It reminds more of a tractor than a sportscar. Porsche failed the mark on so many ends with this power unit...
I like Sid, Black/White/Brown/Yellow, whatever. I base my liking on an individual basis NOTHING else, same for my dislikes. No where I’m going? Most likely not. “All lives Matter”, let’s leave it at that.
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Truth hurts lol
Bang on ... save up & wait for the 4.0 GTS...
@@superjanesaddiction The long gearing is even more frustrating with the 4.0. That's the problem.
@@quantpsy3565 absolutely. Zero torque on the 4.0. With minor modifications the 2.5 roasts the 4.0 as well. 4.0 belongs in a GT car like the spyder’s chassis
I've got a 718 Cayman T! The spec on the one you've got is a bit poverty which I thought is strange for a press car, but you are right about a daily, I daily mine and love it, although you are correct, this is my first Porsche.
Absolutely spot on review although I disagree a little on powerband issue, but mine is a PDK so it shifts so ridiculously quickly you never notice it having to change gear often.
Indeed. I love stick shifting’ but not on the 2:0 because the power band does not match the long gear ratios
You totally nailed it with this review. I have a base Cayman specced up like a T as I ordered mine in 2016 when the T was not available. The comments you make are spot on. It is my first Porsche and I love it but there is lag leaving you wanting below 3k revs which is massively exasperated by the high gearing. Setting off you can rev the nuts off it in 1st but slow corners you are unlikely to drop to first so get left in 2nd with a load of lag before it picks up. Mine is manual, I guess PDK can work around this engine somewhat because it would drop to first in slow corners. You are also totally right about Sport+ - its very clever it actually keeps the throttle open (ie air) flowing through the engine when you momentarily lift off and instead cuts fuel flow. By keeping air flowing through the engine and therefore exhaust is means the turbo keeps spooled up and you can see it hovers at 0.2bar instead of 0 so when you get back on the throttle there is no lag, but it does mean you get no bangs and crackles on the overrun as there is no fuel in the exhaust to ignite.
I am confused. Quite a few people are complaining about the long gearing paired with the 4.0 GTS high-revving engine. No way to use all gears in spirited driving on public roads.
So, logically, the long manual gearing paired with the 2.0 turbo's torque band sounds right. Do I miss something here?
You are correct
I agree that the base 2.0 is lacking the sound you would want especially at this price point. The one I would get is the GTS 4.0 Cayman. Without a doubt it’s the best Cayman for a more street daily type of car as opposed to the much more track focused GT4. My only issue is the price. It’s starts at $90,000 before tax and dealers fees. So out the door with maybe one or two options you’re over $100,000 US. That’s quite a keep over a used clean 981 or new 718 S. For now I’ll keep driving my great sounding powerful Bullitt Mustang, although it’s not as nimble as the Cayman, it cost only $50,000.
PDK for this engine is better than manual. Keep revs above 2200rpm and it pulls like hell. The engine sounds great!
Smashing it as always Sid, glad you're back filming
Long gearing makes you work the gearbox... nobody ever said
nearly 150 miles per day? where are you going :D
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Great video Sid. Balanced and honest. What do you make of the 718 Cayman 2.5 GTS?
£136pm extra gets you into a 4.0GTS.... easy choice. BUT, there's a niche for the T and it's a a spec rarity. If you're not fussed by turbo lag and the sound then it's a wicked daily.
Would you rather have a 981 Cayman S over the 718 Cayman T? They are in a similar price range. I would have thought the 718 would have more torque for a daily.
The 718 is absolutely quicker and a better chassis, but some people value the sound more than that.
I appreciate the honest assessment. Nice review!
Why does everyone wants the newest model? I'd rather have a 987 or 981 Cayman than a 718. Also think the 981 is prettier but that's personal preference.
Btw, good honest review. You would think that someone with a good relationship to the Cayman would be the last person to criticize a Porsche but you're just honest. Thumbs up!
Also think 981 is much prettier
“If you’ve never driven any other car, you’ll be pleased” 😂👌
Tire sports car needs more than a four pot cylinder, only the light weight 4C or A110 can pull off a four pot in a way mass car produces struggle. If it is not six cylinder flat six, then please take it back to the factory. Nice review Sid, your opinion counts to me as a proper driver.
I think It was a fair opinion, and seeing as you've owned a few Porsche Caymans you would know what to look out for. I'm currently thinking of getting into my first Porsche Cayman 981 s so it was good to hear your views on previous Caymans. Just out of interest Sid, would you go with a a 2014 Cayman 981 s or for around the same sort of money an older 911 997.2 s?
“To be honest”, too harsh. Maybe you drove this car on a bad day. I’ve driven a lot of cars, turbo and naturally aspirated, and owned some pretty sweet cars and I would never criticize the four banger like you have done. I will say that you are not alone, there are a lot of reviewer‘s who are hung up on the “soundtrack“. To me, a driving experience is only very slightly affected by the sound of the vehicle, as long as it handles very well. The 718 Boxster at any level is an excellent car, soundtrack be damned. The car that you’re trying to help give away is a turbocharged four-cylinder Golf R and it is also an excellent car.
The cayman T makes perfect sense in China. Where everyone is buying the 2.0T cos of taxation brackets. The 2.5t is just a step up in tax. The Chinese base 718 2.0t only makes 250PS for starting price of 540,000rmb (£61.5k) the Cayman T has 300PS and starts at 640,000rmb (£72.9k). The cayman s starts at 778,000rmb ( £88.6k). The Chinese market is also stuck with the 2.5T GTS cos the 4.0 would be a huge amount of tax. These prices quoted don't include luxury car tax, and local taxes only VAT included.
Also with china buying so many 2.0t it allows porsche to lower it's average emissions and offer markets that super special 4.0 in the gts.
Another great video with great insight. Keep smashing it Sid lad
For around the £60k I would go used 911. Crikey you could get into a beautiful 997 Turbo for that kind of money
Damn, Sid not holding back! Good honest review, but tbh its the sort of price point i dont normally surf in. I'd probably get the Alpina though simply for the ride and collectable/resale factor, plus it looks more special tbh
also this 1.8 turbo engine straight from Renault Megane has *so much* better sound than Cayman's 2.0 liter taken from 911 with 2-cylinders taken out and turbo added.
@@paulb7207 both are 4 pots, but who cares. It's about the handling and the alpine is more fun
@@Jay-xr3sb I think you're right
Can you do an Alpine test please ?
In a really tight track, which would this actually be faster than the civic type r??
It's a no brainer. RWD mid engine vs FWD front engine.
Does this car deserve a film on our UA-cam series? What would you put it up against???
Is the problem that there is little competition so they didn't have to build a fantastic car? The whole VW group is all about a car for every price point, seems like this is just one of them.
I love your reviews. So to the point.
I’m thinking about getting a cayman s or a cayman t not sure
There is a reason they make the smaller engines. As the cayman is still “offordable” i and many others dont want to pay 4000€ for the s and 9000 for the 4.0 to put it on the road. The T is 1800€ so i know what to pick even if the sound is crap xD.
Yeah but how is it for skids?
nice hair.
Sideshow Sid
Would have an m2 comp over this tbh. Similar price bracket
You could get a lest gen fiesta st and an older cayman while also having money to Insure both of them for less than this car, I think that's the way to go
The tall gears are for people who are not trying to impress themselves or others. It is designed to DOWNSHIFT from 2nd to 1st , something others cannot do
Clearly you have no clue what you’re talking about.
@@SidNorth clearly you cannot drive dynamically. Just a bro who accelerates and then calls it a day. Stupid people with money is kind of funny. Which is you.
Annoying? Nope, just so good!
Now I’ll watch a review by an actual man
You have now solved racism by posting that at the start of your video👍
I bet you are part of the problem
@@43VirginiaSlim turns out that organization was part of the problem lmfao
All lives matter.
Man like sid always has a soft spot for a cayman
February. ...? Welcome back, have you been in opposite lock down ?
Great vid ..!
No sideways ❓
Not every video needs a skid
@@sidnorth7432 it has a skid in the picture
297 horsepower from a Porsche? All be it an entry one that is pathetic. An a35 produces more. That’s near on standard golf gti/ golf r territory ( don’t quote me on that )
Would be fine if the engine wasn't such garbage.
Fair criticism at that price level.
Exiting things coming ;)
First and only Porsche I've driven and wasn't a fan tbh
Has to be flat 6 for me. Just bought a 981 manual 😎
I was very surprised to see you on Trap Lore Ross's channel yesterday
Woooo some more Sid sends
Though many others have the exact same opinion of the Cayman/T. 😐
Decent review mate
One of my dream cars is a 718
You have low aspirations
@@SidNorth I am realistic I do not have a good job
jack dean I think he meant there’s so many better cars for the money
Brutal but so right Sid! 😂
@@sonnykinnear6319 true that's why I said one, if I bought one though it would be mapped straight away
100% agree....The "T" is just another marketing package that cannot compensate the many downsides of the WRX....eh...Porsche 4 cylinder engine.....Glad to have the 981 GTS.......
Anyone else wonder where the hell sid gets his money from for his M5 caymans and all that
Hard work and graft bro. Gotta respect that.
I can't afford one but good info and great video 👊
Hello did I always watch your vids , I have a new shape BMW 1-Series 118i sport there isn’t many reviews on the sport model so if u would like to do a review in it then your welcome , oviously now fwd but in certain conditions the back in lives to dance around , you can give it a good spanking and I’d love to be passenger , I love to have a play myself but I’d like you to do a review I will come and meet you to do it It will be a day out for me , pls get in touch thanks Sid keep up good work
Sounds like a 90s Mondeo
Still a cool car sid
Hi sid been loving the videos recently ! Why don’t you check out my vw polo, it is a really mundane car but I believe you could give it a good running
Just say sid that four pot is a load of gash lol
Came in looking for some sideways action...... leaving disappointed.
Appreciate #BLM, surprised the Cayman is so quiet, I'd rather have the previous gen considering size, styling and sound. Good review Bro
Agree. Under all the complaining about the sound (better noise) of the engine, most reviewers forgot about the other things this engine unfortunatelly isn't very good at. Like you said turbo lag (lot's of it) and also the sheer unpleasant vibrations and rumblings in the back. It reminds more of a tractor than a sportscar. Porsche failed the mark on so many ends with this power unit...
In China, 718 T doesn’t come with a LSD as standard and its also not on the option list, oh, and the car come with PDK only, racist
You need manual to get LSD
Jesus! Porsche are gonna hate you
I like Sid, Black/White/Brown/Yellow, whatever. I base my liking on an individual basis NOTHING else, same for my dislikes. No where I’m going? Most likely not. “All lives Matter”, let’s leave it at that.
SidWoke 🤮
So are you a loser if you drive this car?!
From all Porsches I like this one how it looks.
Thinking about this one or Jag f-type.
I’m a woman btw…😅
You need a haircut!
BlackLivesMatter lol hahahaha. Bye bye
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I bought my 18 year old son the Porsche Cayman gts 4.0
What a scam that this overpriced turbo laggy trash is the last of the petrol Cayman's.
I stopped watching because of your intro #️⃣