BAD NEWS for SELLERS. SXS UTV sales are COLLAPSING.
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2022
- UTV SXS sales have been declining over the last couple of months and we have not hit bottom yet. Is it time to buy and upgrade or maybe add something to your quiver? I dont think we've hit bottom yet but there are quite a few people who bought high that are now selling low.
Now that inventory and production are catching up, those temporary buyers need to unload the stop gap cars they bought and others who entered the market while they had free time are finding the use not being quite as easy now that theyve returned to work.
One mans loss is another mans gain they say. What do you think is going to happen? Have the economic winds changed?
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I sold my 2020 Kawasaki Teryx T2 this past summer. I had bigger tires, wheels, 6 inch super atv lift, all kinds of accessories. It was a great all around sxs. Hated I had to sell it. I was fortunate enough to sell it for what was owed.
@@uhhuhuhhuuuuuh2027 I’m seeing a lot of posts with people saying “I just need to get out of what’s owed”
I am looking to buy. I keep hearing the interest rates are high on Sidexsides right now! Will see what happens in the next few weeks!
Surprised it hasn't happened sooner. They cost more than actual 4x4s at this point.
Yes and no. But maybe it’s time to do a trail comparison at cost like buy a used SXS for 10k and a jeep at the same price and go rally them? 🧐
@@sxsoffroad I would go avg price for a SxS and then a Jeep of the same price. I'd say the avg SxS is much more than $10K.
@@someguy5035 well yeah, I was think something in the range would be 10 years old by both counts, maybe a little more. However, if I could go with new… what jeep package is 50k right now?
@@sxsoffroad I would go with $20K SxS vs whatever Wrangler you can get for $20K.
There are many used JK/JKU out there at that price.
If you were going to make a video on it, I would go with the average sale price of a SxS. That would appeal to the most people.
Yes. I like them on some trails but for longer term, regular use, give me a good Land Cruiser any day. Watch your buddies getting cold and wet with your heated seat on- listening to some tunes with no wind blowing in your face! It can double as a car camper at night- win/win!
Considering they've gone up to well above $40,000 for some of these SXS I am not surprised people have stopped buying them.
Breaking 50k now
Imagine, what you could build with 10-15k, let alone $50,000.
I’d rather spend extra 20 and get a truck with a heated or air conditioned cab and a windshield and doors lol
Sand rail prices
@@tysonrojas5477 Very true ..... with a crate LS-7 it's just as cheap to get 5-600 hp and more stability ........
What everyone is noticing in the UTV market is a microcosm of what is currently happening in the housing market and automotive & motorcycle markets. It is more than just a market correction. It is this ridiculously high inflation for consumer goods, energy, coupled with the a Recession. It's a perfect storm. It's not going to get better any time soon. Bottom line: people have begun to feel a real squeeze on their budgets and they have to make hard choices among these three things: Food, fuel, rent. These UTV and outdoor luxury toys will be the first to go. If your income is good now, then this is the time to tighten down the hatches and NOT upgrade or buy something else or something new, unless you have the cash laying around. Even then, best to save it, because you will never know what is around the corner, whether it's Christmas or hard times! You will see dealers, etc. going out of business, more people out of work, and more used outdoor luxury toys on sale.
well said
And yet, still vote blue
big words. you must be smert.
A very sensible write up
Economics 101 has nothing to do with red or blue
The reason prices are so high is because people that can’t afford them keep taking out loans for them. Once the “flex” of having one is gone prices will go down. Everyone and their mom has one now, it’s only a matter of time when everyone gets rid of them and there’s a flood of barely used SxSs on the market
@@machinesnmetal in 2 years time there’s going to be a flood of SxSs in the market if the economy keeps going down the shitter. THATS the time to buy. These guys paying 40k for a toy are going to be desperate for a quick 10k.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
ua-cam.com/video/RtLh5twAX1c/v-deo.html
I hope everyone remembers which dealers took care of customers and which ones took advantage.
Yea. Like Action Powersports in Wisconsin adding $2-5000 over sticker.
I want you two to also remember the 40 years of dealers selling below MSRP, but you won’t hear anyone griping about that
@@thewhiteknight02 waukesha location? That place has been awful to deal with for a long time.
United Motorsports
They are still tryin to ask 3k over sticker on 40k machines🤣
@@Barraquda27 Shut up. They can sell below MSRP because of the EXTREME markup.,
Best thing that could happen is the used market take a dump, quickly followed by the new market falling on its face for a couple of years. I realize EVERYTHING has gone up, but for what we get with any of these SxS machines the prices are just insane. That might force manufacturers to at least produce some better quality, more realistically priced offerings. Until then, they'll keep pumping out the same stuff (looking at you, Polaris) as quick as they can and keep running to the bank with high profit margins.
You are absolutely correct, the industry is doomed, and I own 2 sxs
I looked at a Polaris razor, they wanted 40k for a 2 seater 38k by the time taxes are factored 40k, I started to really look this thing over in person and noticed atrocious welds, cheap plastic everywhere, CVT transmission which sucks as far as reliability goes, at 40k I'd rather have a real gearbox, the welds that are visible on the cage were what we call dirtdivered, how did that pass quality control, it was out in the open, needless to say I would never own one with the kind of prices they have it at now, you would be better off building yourself a better one way cheaper.
I work for a brp dealership... and 100%. you're paying the price of a car for something that has extremely limited access comparatively, not to mention the longevity for something that expensive. In saying that they are a 'luxury item' and as such have a target audience.
@@brodienorton7965 this is a great statement. Luxury item for sure. I’m about to do a demographic survey on SXS owners
@@sxsoffroad awesome idea, here in Australia at least, I don't think they've caught on in the same way that the have over in the US, you're core demographics here are really defenders for farmers/hunters or people who live on the road, and mavericks for people who have the money to throw around on something that they might use a handful of times a year or the people that are racing them as an entry way to off road desert racing. There isn't really a massive public market for them like there is in the US with access to modifications, parts, communities and massive events like they have at glamis, the US Utv market s&@ts all over the Australian market
I’m in a parts department and we went from multiple doing giant accessory builds on new machines to people just trying to fix up what they have. It’s definitely going to change. Where it lands, I’m not sure, but it’s starting to sway
That’s what’s up
They are expensive to fix, there will be lots of non-runners sitting behind barns in a few years.
They are expensive for someone else to fix. Lots of good deals heading for those who can wrench.
@@lawrencelenerd3988 exactly!
It has been strange to be a motorcyclist and watching this whole thing from the outside. I was riding dirt bikes when the first three wheelers came around. Then the ATVs, then the UTVs, then the UTVs got bigger and bigger. Some of them are massive now. I have also been a water skier that has watched the PWC market evolve. Same deal there. The humble Jet Ski has turned into things the are starting to rival the size of my ski boat. I recently bought a 54" slalom trick ski on a lark. That thing is kind of fun. But I think I will always do my off road on a dedicated dirt bike and my watersports will just be me and a ski, or just my feet.
Yeah I never really understood the whole UTV thing. I think riding dirt bikes is a heck of a lot more fun, not to mention an actual workout. Hard to ride and drink beer at the same time like a UTV tho.
I agree and they have caused the closure of several riding areas in my area!!!
I like your style. Traditions never trend.
I think alot of people with broken utvs saw me in my free 4runner drive by them in moab.
I don't believe that's the sole reason sales have dropped, but definitely contributed.
Oh and I drove the freerunner home on the interstate after bashing it for 4 days.
4Runner’s that are 2runners have an extreme value still!
That might be the sole reason. I was following behind my buddies on their enduros in Moab, headed out towards Mill Canyon. It was early AM and only about 35F (March.) I had the heat on and a big smile on my face...as I adjusted my heated seats. Later that day, we end up on Shafer Trail- all good fun. Head over to Chicken Corners if you have never been and also H*lls Revenge- epic. trip #7 coming up this spring!
@@MOAB-UT we ran into bad weather as well.
When the hail started everyone with utvs piled their kids into me and my girls toyotas.
Heaters and windows make a huge difference!
What’s a four runner cost brand new fully modded?
@@danlux4954 Too much!
I’ve been into dirt bikes and atv all my life. Been dreaming of getting into Utv but just can’t afford it now that the prices are so crazy high and the economy is going to shit!!
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
ua-cam.com/video/RtLh5twAX1c/v-deo.html
Nobody wants to spend the ABSURD amount of money Polaris & Can-Am are asking for these UTV’s. It’s seriously insane
Hit the sub button. I’m going to be showing who the demographic actually is.
@@sxsoffroad retirees
When they were getting close to $20k many years ago, I stopped looking at them.
@@russmode right! I feel the same way.
@@russmode Agree ...... I paid $18k for my 2018 Rzr turbo XP and that was the end of my interest in anything "newer" ........
I was at Antlers Motorsports Saturday and must have seen 30 rides roll out of there while I was there 3 hours. That seems like a lot.
People finally getting their orders
Idk about anyone else but I was in the dealership about to trade up to a Turbo S and then at the last min. said no..... just be happy with what you have (18 XP1K). 6 months later I was laid off after 7 years with the company. Spent 10 months trying to change careers. Luckily I land a bad ass job, and recovered. But after all that uncertainty I felt like I have a new outlook on toys and extracurricular activities. This fallout and then price gouge put alot of people who normally would have upgraded, out of the market. Everyone is keeping in place what they have cause we need stability.
I’m glad you landed in a good place man
I love the last three years. We have been able to buy machines that are 4 or 5 years old with less them 300 miles on them for one third the cost of new.people buy these new and think they are going to use them lot but after two or three trips up north and they end up sitting in the garage taking up the wife's parking spot.its going to get batter on the used market for people that can pay cash
That’s right
Man I hope your right, but I still seeing supply issues due to labor shortages. Seems to be getting only worse in my area
There will be issues, we're not roaring back yet. I guarantee there will be overstock in 2023
Right. They still don't even make replacement maintenance parts for our 22' Yamaha Rmax2. Yet they keep pumping out new machines 😕
I bought two sxs this year.. one used one new. They are priced to high for sure but just like everything… prices might correct a little but if you think you’re going to pick up a sxs for chump change.. good luck.
Not chump change, that doesnt happen. but better than 6-12 months ago, for sure.
its all going down. The ford dealer offered me 17k for my 13 EcoBoost with $7500 worth of tree branch scratches down the passenger side 160k miles. that was in January. asked again last week yea $13.5k (52,995 new in 13). and as a ford and gm part dealer good luck on big and expensive parts. fuel tank 55 gallon back ordered, no one in Wisco has one (per dealer network), and the list price is $2800 for a tin box. worst part is campers were built like crap because of the so called covid because of unskilled labor (got a heart beat your hired). and people that got money thought camping and atving, boating, etc. thought it was cheap. well its not. $300 in fuel $150 for the site for 2 nights plus $250 for food. beer games sh** you always buy....opps forgot the extra shitter pipe. gotta hit the walmart bam $100 for that and ammo. yea its a $800 weekend. go to door county and spend $50 on 25 lbs of apples. not to mention loan on the rec vehicle insurance, opps I swamped my atv or I blew a turbo towing 12k when my truck is rated for 10k. just saying I've seen a lot of idiots since the (SARS) china bat in the dirty market happened. but we all know why it happened.
This is literally the best accurate description of current happenings I've read yet.
Bought 2 humvees ,17,000.00
A jeep with axels and suspension for 8,000.00 a used 4 wheeler for 6,000. Still have them all and enjoy running them all year round. The jeep and humvees sure are fun in the snow. Warm too. Side xsides just priced me out of the market years ago. There great, but I have a lot of verity and can take friends that I just can't do with one side side.
Two humvees that run!?!
@@sxsoffroad the actually both run really well. There more fun than anything else I've ever driven. I live in the desert and the cook across the desert. There not as fast as a side side but they are fast. I have a roof top tent and you can pack em to the gills with stuff.
@@sxsoffroad great channel by the way. I've had 6 sidex sides . Love em.
Interesting video. I’m watching from across the pond in the UK. It’s been a crazy time for our ATV/SXS market over here with such a lack of new stock, second hand prices inflated, etc…. I believe we’re going to see the same thing over here with the SXS market, just a bit after you guys. The other thing I’m seeing is a huge reduction in Yamaha’s dealer network, they cut at least 39 dealers from their network, some were really good dealers, all hitting their sales targets pre covid. But Yamaha UK have changed there marketing strategy and basically told dealers to buy into new marketing strategy or face being dropped. It would cost the dealer approx. £10k to do so. Some said yes they would, but we’re still dropped. Some just ducked out. Crazy times!
Not sure if you have seen Deranged Off Road but they covered this topic already. They hit on a lot of good talking points and I feel the market has come to an end as well.
I haven’t watched it, I saw that thumbnail come up on my feed. I need to check it out
That’s good for consumers!👍🏽
Now they won’t be asking above msrp
Yes
Seriously, every dealer by me has pre-sold orders and used machines for new prices.
I had an Yamaha Atv for years, bought a Yamaha Wolverine a few years ago, losing interest and the one thing I really hate about it is how loud it is, you have to scream at the person next to you. My ears ring for hours after driving it, it’s all stock and I added lists of soundproofing. Prefer the Atv now
I added a full flow exhaust to my XRS but ordered specifically a “quiet.” My old SXS was way too loud.
Not surprised, was wanting to buy a second machine and started shopping for one. What I noticed was the same machine, with the same accessories was $7000 cheaper the year before. Think I’ll wait for the economy to get reasonable again.
I'm waiting as well. Still trying to decide on a 2 seater... I kind of want to build up a 72" xrc or just a 2 seat XRS. Oddly enough though, a wildcat xx with the turbo kit and 77" long travel on 35's would probably dominate for less money...
The one thing I noticed in the past was two seat models have always seemed to be better priced then four seaters. Four seaters seem to always hold there value and not stick around for sale very long. I don’t think we’ll see manufacturers do zero percent financing as an incentive. I do think we may see 2.9 or 3.9 special financing. I ‘d be surprised if it applied to the flagship models though. There are still a ton of people, especially on the Rzr Pro R side that are waiting. Great no bs video.
Just here to update you: Just visited a SC Polaris dealership. 3.6% special financing, and the sales manager ran out to basically beg me to buy something as I was backing out of the parking lot.
Utv prices have definitely gotten out of control lately you can buy a really nice used Jeep for what they are charging for a new utv
While you’re not wrong, the experience is totally different. SXS’s are land boats
100%! Saw a USED 2018 Ranger 1000 for $25,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fucking insane!
I was the largest Polaris dealer in the nation Abernathy s Union City Tn for 65 years . I’m telling you the bottom is dropping out of all of them especially RZRs . The Utility sxs will hold their value better . All the money people have put into those sport SXS is gonna be bad . All the after market extended warranties customers bought gap and other gimmicks dealers sold at purchase time is gonna be huge losses for banks and financial company’s . Financial company’s are already backing off on money to public . The end is near on all toys as times continue to get worse.
I agree. Just saw a sweet used (300 miles) 2022 Pro R 4 ultimate with aftermarket everything for 50k, must’ve had 10k in accessories and had cut the price twice already. I’m sure that’s a “get me out of this rig for what I owe” cry for help.
My ex hubby & I bought our 07 Yamaha Rhino 450 from Abernathy’s cause the Prices in Paducah was so much higher.
I sat back with my popcorn to watch this play out. It was inevitable! Great video regarding this!
Yep, just bought a new Rzr a couple weeks ago. They had knocked $2000 off the price on one I had my eye on for a while.
Finally someone who purchased recently jumping in here! I’ve started to see some deals recently at the local big dealers
Just for fun I went on Can-Am's website and customised the most expensive Maverick Turbo X3 starting at $43,000 here in Canada. I picked ALL of the fanciest, most expensive accessories I could find and bumped the price to over $106,000 before freight, surcharges, PDI and taxes. Came to $120,000, lol!
What a deal! That’s like 15,000 usd right!? 😜
@@sxsoffroad, LOL!!
im in canada and bought my 21 xds rr for 30k plus tax. put an easy 10-12k in extras into it. roof,windshield, rear window, side windows, lower doors, door bags, 32" tires, plow, winch, bumper, custom stereo, heater, baja designs 10" and squadron pros. shit adds up fast.
@@philmonachan8007 That’s why I drive dirt bikes. Wayyy more smiles per mile at a fraction of the cost
What?????? You can buy a Raptor R for that lol. I just started looking for my first one and I thought $20k for a Can Am was insane. Wow I guess I did not realize how expensive these things are.
Been in the powersports industry for 20 yrs, People have got to realize that these machines are just toys, Really expensive hobby, Some people just can't afford it.. When families are struggling to make ends meet guess what's going to have to go first?! Yes, Atv's and UTv's, I saw this from 5 miles away 😢
Yup
RV market is crashing also.
Sounds good, looking forward to the deals.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
ua-cam.com/video/RtLh5twAX1c/v-deo.html
I hope you're right but I'm not seeing it. I have been trying to get a Teryx4 or Wolverine x4 for a while now and nobody has anything. Then when I thought I'd settle for some kind of 2 seater, there's none of those in stores either
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
ua-cam.com/video/RtLh5twAX1c/v-deo.html
I've picked my poison, a Can-Am Outlander Max due to be delivered near the end of this month. So not a SxS.
One thing I notice is that a trailer is necessary to tow a SxS of extra width & length. Add in the cost of the SxS, plus the trailer and we're talking notable expense here. The tow vehicle is usually a nice modern, read expensive, pickup and now I'm thinking there's $60,000 plus here in money spent, or likely on payments. Increase interest rates and I can see how it would be quite easy to put a damper on SxS (and other) sales.
The SxS's, atv's and utv's aren't that heavy, you don't need a pick-up to pull a trailer. Don't get me wrong, you're not going to pull a trailer with a prius.
I have been having conversations about this topic. There is some fat out there to be trimmed with setups. I’ll run through my setup in a future video and how I am trying to lower impact.
I have a 2020 Outlander 1000 max. Seats two comfortably, and I can go places in the woods that the SXS guys can’t go. You’ll enjoy it.
@@Blueknight1960 Depends where you life in Europe cars can legaly to there own GVW you can tow a UTV with a prius no problem.
Oh no! So there will be less billy bobs turning all the single track Into 4 lane highways? I'm all torn up.
100% agree
i purchased a RZR turbo S in 2019 for 26k and sold it in 2021 for 27k. didn't recoup losses on aftermarket parts but the fact i was able to sell it for more than MSRP with 2500 miles was too good of a deal for me to pass on
I'm curious of you see the market for work-oriented SxS doing the same thing. I've been keeping my eyes open for a good used 2-seat SxS with a dump bed for working in my woods. I don't need to go fast or rock crawl, I just need to get where I'm going and haul some gear with me. I do most of this with my tractor that has been modified for working in the woods. However, there are times when my trails are too soft to get out there with it, so having something lighter on the land would be helpful.
At the prices I've seen over the last couple of years, I just can't justify it. Hoping to see prices come down a bit and availability improve
Honestly a base model UTV like a ranger or defender will do what you need it to do and they have gone up but not as much. I feel like these rigs are more “one time purchase” items because they’re meant for work not fun/abuse. A crossover for me would be the commander. That’s a highly capable machine that can also work in the woods.
The working UTV class outsells the sport SXS class overall. That’s why these crossovers like the General and the Commander exist. You can work them all week and still take the family out on trails on the weekends
@@sxsoffroad Thank you for the response. This will be strictly a work-in-the-woods vehicle. The closest thing to recreation would be cruising the trails to see if repairs were needed or taking a friend on a tour of the place, so no need for crossover capabilities. My only holdup now is finding a suitable small utility UTV. (Honda 520 is on my short list) Unfortunately, no one seems to have one in stock, and the local dealers won't even let me place an order. They say they'll "let me know when one becomes available", and seem very reluctant to even give a ballpark/budgetary price.
I picked up a Tracker OX400 for the same purposes as you. It’s basically a lifted cushman utility cart with a Kawi EFI motor. When i bought it early 2021 the base prices were $5999. It’s been a good simple machine and easy for everyone to drive. Definitely not fast and the suspension is not very capable though. But even the prices on those went up 2-3k in a year.
Prices have been nuts on em for awhile
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
ua-cam.com/video/RtLh5twAX1c/v-deo.html
Not surprising when they cost as much as most people daily drivers. Sales are unsustainable at that cost.
They are definitely luxury items. The upfront cost is one thing, the aftermath is ridiculous
What do you mean by "aftermath"?
Man, I have never been able to see the big deal with the whole SXS thing. ATV’s are much more fun and way way cheaper, kids definitely like them more and it’s cheaper to get quads for the whole family to go out and ride. Bring the sport quad market back!!
My specific needs are going to get deer out of the woods, working on my property, hauling firewood that I’ve processed with my tractor and light trail riding. I had a 2018 Yamaha Viking. I have since sold it and just took delivery of my new Kubota 1120 diesel. The Kubota is def geared towards more work but its bulletproof. Plus a standard 2 year warranty no questions asked. Cargo capacity is unreal, hydraulic dump bed, Kubota diesel reliability, same fuel and oil as my Cummins 6.7 and tractor. I paid OTD 23k for it with a few options. Still pretty high, but man that things going to last YEARS.
I love those kubotas and was on the hunt for one with the snowblower/auger front attachment this year
Interesting!
I’m out of the SXS world right now but, hope to get into it in the next year!
Needless to say, I’m excited for this!
right on
I've loved watching the market evolve from the early three wheeler day through now. When the product is "HOT!", it's a happy, happy time. Watching people fall all over themselves to get that new toy, especially when it's a "limited" production, is an entertainment all its own. Of course, the inevitable "market correction" happens and it's back to scratching out a living until that next new "trend" reveals itself.
Real hoverboards maybe!?
Snowmobiles prices are going up too. Nowhere near as high or fast as UTV's/ATV's but a good 10-20% depending on brand and model.
Yes, seen it around here. Those things are godamn rocket ships. We will have some fun filming on them this winter
Bought a loaded JL 4 door rubicon with sky top for 53k out the door. Heated seats, heat, ac, power convertible top, sway bar disconnect and lockers. Sold the sxs and trailer when stuff was expensive. Jeep takes us comfortably to more places than our sxs did
So coming from a power sports dealership you are spot on. I don’t think 0% financing is coming anytime soon, but big rebates are. Believe it or not most of my customers were cash buyers. 80% of my customers who did a credit app, did not get approved.
Oh I for sure believe that.
Sea-Doo has 0 % for 60 months
I think it’s not tanking but we we are seeing a market correction on the used which got out of hand anyway . I don’t think we will see pre pandemic numbers for good 2/3 years going forward . As dealers start restocking the used market will drop . Plus it’s about that time since a lot of these new models finally seeing good turnover
Agreed. More and more dealers advertising in-stock units.
Sad truth. Thanks for sharing my add. Haha. Wish it wasn't so but the sxs market is not the only one in the tank. Everything is crashing! Looks like I'll be hanging on to that sweet XRC for a while and just enjoy it and make more content. Thanks for sharing the truth that I don't want to accept. 🤕
Thank you for jumping on and sharing!! Thought maybe I could get it gone, but I kinda want it…
Great video. You bring up a lot of good points.
Thank you! Love your channel!
@@sxsoffroad stoked you enjoy the channel man!
From someone working at a dealership, it's not just UTV's
Oh I know
Bikes too?
My local Honda dealer tried pushing a new 1000-5 on us during "Black Friday" sales and said "they won't last". We watched literally no side by sides sell during that weekend...nor have they since then. Lots are full and getting fuller. Dealers can't sell right now as the utv market is following the crashing truck market. Just sit and wait for the used sxs market to pile up and you'll get a sweet deal. It's about time for the pandflation to finally deflate.
Things had to change it could not continue like it has . Thanks for the video
Thank you for stopping by!
All I have to say is these people buying $25k - $35k toys are crazy. You can have a custom built buggy or Jeep based crawler for what they are paying for these things. The slow down is probably from gas prices hikes, interest rates doubling, and also people waiting on the midterms to see if it is going to continue to rise.
I used to have Landcruisers, one FJ 60 that I built up to handle most anything. These days it would be a 100k car. SXS is a strange market but so are boats. One thing I love is that when it does break, the repairs are easy and pretty damn cheap
Yeah, with all the parts on my Turbo S I'm probably into this thing 40k. Kinda kicking myself because last year I sold my 2007 FJ Cruiser with super low miles. Im starting to think about how insane i could have made that FJ with 40k cash (because i paid cash for the machine and parts). Could have super charged the FJ, long travel, cage, etc
@@RDA8191 i’ve got a worse story for you than that. Are used to have a 1983FJ 60. I sprung it over, snorkel kit, lockers, gears, full custom hoops, full adjustable shocks, safari did out, two bumpers everywhere, full waterproofing, you name it. I couldn’t even guess how much money I had into that thing. I sold it at a time when nobody wanted those cars. $3800. How’s that?
Try at least twice that for a full roller tube chassis. Just the motor, axles and wheels and tires are close to 25k by themselves.
I use to be in the Jeep game. My next trail rig will be a SXS- looking at the Kawasaki KRX. The power to weight ratio, ground clearance and suspension. No Jeep is going to touch that for the price.
@@1978JWJ This. ⬆️
Was on line looking at local shops inventory and prices and decided to go check a couple out , I get there and the “ internet price “ was $3000 less than what they had marked on the machine and sales man basically said oh those must’ve sold …. My ass , price gouging at its finest. Didn’t buy anything. These things are not worth 25-35000 sorry.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
ua-cam.com/video/RtLh5twAX1c/v-deo.html
Looking to purchase soon and I’m definitely gonna look at the used market first. $25k+ easy on a juiced up can am unit and that’s a bit much for me to swallow.
I have my 21 turbo S w/dynamix and with shock therapy treatment, method race wheels, 33s, bumpers, rigid lights, etc for sale and the offers have been low. Fortunately, I don’t have to sell but just wanted to move to a 4 door but I can see the market has definitely slowed.
It's hard for me to read these comments after being in the powersports business for years. Guys...girls...the entire ATV SXS bubble was driven by low interest rates and covid death anticipation. So many people are in debt up to their noses now. Couple that with housing, groceries and inflation in general and you have a recipe for disaster. And that is what you will soon see. Disaster. I personally could not believe 2 things in the last 2 years. The price people were paying and the price the bank was financing. CRAZY upon CRAZY = CRASH
I agree. Expensive campers in every other driveway and storage lots full of them. Can't imagine having a large payment for a toy.
End of the world party. Same thing happened after 9/11(not quite as bad tho). People went crazy buying their dream future toys, no mater the cost.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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@@sxsoffroad Great video brother!
@@peaceprayer595 thank you! Post it up and share it with your buddies! 🇺🇸
You can build a crazy capable Jeep for about half of what a sxs cost and drive anywhere
I never bought one and never will
Coming from a 4x4 building background (3 land cruisers, 1 Land Rover) the experience is totally different. Neither one would be a daily driver if built correctly so you’re still doing a tow rig and trailer and the expense of a break on a jeep vs a SXS is exponentially higher. All that being said, I like both 😂
Bummer...fewer people in UTV's flying around blind corners and nearly killing my family riding our quads and motorcycles.
You’ve just nailed one of my biggest concerns and fears. As a utv driver I am so cautious on blind corners and roads. I never want to be involved in that nightmare:
There has/had been way to many Newbies that have never driven anything but a car on pavement running out buying the biggest fastest SXS there is then Modding it out to the extreme then getting on the trails rutting everything out with the ruttes being wider then a dang 4-wheeler while going as fast as they can
SXS nightmares are not any fun trust me lol I ripped my Arm off in 08 from flipping my Rhino on it’s side. OPPS so I’m strictly Honda 4-wheeler now @@sxsoffroad Yeah
I’m glad some of the UTV boom is ending. Honestly at a certain point they just aren’t worth the price for the amount of use you get out of them and how poorly some models are built. Personally we went away from UTV’s and went back to ATV’s. We got a family of 4 each new atv’s for less than our previous turbo 4 seat machine. The kids are happier because they get to drive and I’m happier because I’m not constantly fixing a poorly build machine that was over priced. To each their own but this needs to correct itself.
It’ll be fine, people will keep
Buying
@@sxsoffroad I’m sure they will. Heck I’ll buy another SXS at some point. Maybe sooner than later. Cash is king and a lot of people asshole deep in debt will be unloading their sxs’s. However for now ATV’s are where it’s at for our family.
Almost every thing is crashing... its some awesome policy moves we have had lately
It’s rough out there
Biden Policies have been Fantastic for my family. Sorry you think they haven't helped yours. Maybe try tuning into factual news?
@@cptbuiltk7944 I’ve been waiting for someone to post like this. As with all things, some do well and some don’t. My business has done nothing but grow the last two years, the four before that, the 8 before that…. The only issues we ran into were not being able to hold stable pricing due to constant issues with freight and production
@@cptbuiltk7944 haha... ok so your dollars are going further now? Or is that not indicative to a good economy? I make my margins still but pass it to my customers who are forced to use my service because of legality and danger. Factual news? Like what? The providers that have been sued for lying recently? Or which
I sold my RZR in April. That was mostly because my family didn't love it like I did, but I thought the market was inflated.
It’s so important to make sure that the family life works with the hobby
Mine was stolen out of a secured storage lot with cameras a week ago..2015 rzr highlifter. Wonder how I'll make out after the insurance decides to pay out
Can you post an update when that comes through?
My GEO tracker 4x4 is much better through the woods and mud than those other things. 😁
Lol. We used to wheel a tracker. You could pick them up if they tipped over
They should start making the tracker again. Great little machine and would probably sell for less than a Polaris 4 seater.
That’s what you get for wanting 25k for a used toy. I’ve seen more kids hurt from these things than 3 wheelers. Simply because they look safe and easy like a car. I understand they are fun. But a crashing market is not gonna hurt anyone but the seller.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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Yes way to many people have gone from 4-Wheelers & along with “Newbies” that have never ridden before but SXS’s because they get a false sense of security from the Roll Cage.
I was guilty of failing for the false security when ex & I went from 4-wheelers to a SXS Rhino in 07 because in 08 I ripped my Arm off cause I flipped it
Question, where were the people riding in the video you are playing behind you while you’re talking?
That’s trail 7 Hog Canyon Kanab Utah.
Check it out here:
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I was on the fence about purchasing a Yamaha RMAX 1000 Sport last year. Now, this year the same machine is $2,800 more with no changes. Needless to say, I'm not on the fence anymore.
Yep, here they are 5k over msrp at least
yep everyone thinks its all going down, its not, manufactures like to make money they wil keep inventory where they want it, and give some rebates but will still be well above where it all started.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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Hell yes prices are crashing. These prices are ridiculous, plus you get to pay a surcharge on top of MSRP.
Not at Interstate 69 Motorsports!
Kirby power sports in Chanute ks only charges what's advertised + sales tax. Last I checked they was below MSRP.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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Doesn’t take a genius to figure this out…. They are making rigs at 45k!! Who are they marketing to?!? Not the working class anymore!
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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This is what happened to the ATV market over 15 years ago. Not surprising at all. I'm so happy I have stayed with 2 wheels all these years.
Can you believe how cheap used motorcycles have gotten? I’m talking Harley’s in particular. So strange
@@sxsoffroad Yikes Harley!!
Pretty sure saw that one coming, when a SXS costs as much or more than some trucks and only get a fraction of the miles out of them.
Sub and watch my next vid. Coming out very soon. Covers some of this and some unpopular opinions
@@sxsoffroad you got it 👍🏼. Hopefully same theory of this applies to boats cuz I’m looking to buy a nice used one next Summer.
@@JMonOutdoors I think that most people are going to be dumping toys but the question is, how many will have to deal with the blow of HOW they bought it.
@@sxsoffroad I definitely agree with your theory and reasoning man. Good informal stuff.
I love how so many want to blame it on politicians. If you over paid for something in the last three years because you just had to have it whether it be homes, automobiles, motorcycle, RV’s, side-by-side‘s bicycles you name it. That’s on you. But nobody ever wants to take responsibility for their own reckless spending. My favorite Warren Buffett quote is… be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful. The last three years, people were beating each other off with a stick to overpay for everything. So I took advantage of the market to sell most of the big ticket items I had while people were overpaying. Now I anticipate or hope to find some great deals in the near future and I will. I never overpay for anything… but I’m always right there to help people out of the stuff they can’t afford or shouldn’t have bought when they’re giving it away. 😂😂
I just sold my 2015 polaris ranger 900xp for $10000 i couldn't beleave it
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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Yup your spot on with the economy !,
Yep a year ago you could not find one. And when you did find one you payed a premium to get one new or used. There is going to be a lot of cheap stuff out there soon.
It started and continues to fall
That's great news! Maybe they will finally stop destroying the trails those of us that have been riding our entire life have enjoyed so much...overpriced turds! #sportquadsforlife!
I’d wager that trail devastation is due to more people rather than type of equipment. I use descriptive words like yours to describe my local ski area, more people have ruined it, not their ability or equipment
@@sxsoffroad It's equipment that turns single track into a road.
They have priced themselves out of the market.
Some for sure. Maybe they found who their consumer is?
What about recreational/utility utv’s? I’ve been struggling to find a Kawasaki mule.
Utility vehicles are still the number one seller. They are also kept longer than sport SXS. Even an old general is a good general.
So I have not owned a all-terrain vehicle since the Honda big red three wheeler. I went into a shop the other day and ask how much that off-road side-by-side was and he told me $30,000. No wonder.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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Im waiting for the camper trailer crash. Even before covid I was already looking at them, just didnt want to pay the excessive price and wait 3 or 4 months for it.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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The funnest machines with 4 tires are ATV's 4 wheelers...they're a lot faster more maneuverable, stop faster, weigh less for the hp, the fun factor isn't even comparable, they have 2 to 3 seater models (CanAm), better gas mileage, way easier to trailer, and a lot more benefits. And a fraction of the price to buy and maintain than a POS UTV. The only 2 ITV's worth having is the top of the line 2 seater highest hp and all the options and that will run around $40,000... and remember these things aren't mean to drive 100,000 miles. Not even close. They wear out fast! The only other utv worth having is CanAm Fully Enclosed one wit heat air heated steering wheel and seats etc now that is worth it, but the motor in that one is'nt fast at all. The spring set up is for slow utility type riding low speed, so fun factor is much lower than high HP... I see them and people aren't having the fun they have on ATV's and especially motorcycles. Motorcycles blow them both out of the water when it comes to fun. Anyway that's my rant but what do I know.
Funny you mentioned the old school ATV being better. I'm looking at them as a price point bargain compared to a SxS , UTV etc...
@@davidgarris2513 i haven’t look in awhile but just last year in my area prices on “used” 4-wheelers was outrageous! A 02 Honda Foreman 450 S was going for close to $6,000 & the rough looking 1’s was &
5,000. I contemplated. For a minute about selling my 02 for that but I couldn’t replace it for 1 with Power Steering for that price
@@melissaakanubby8774 I'll let you know what one of the John Deere dealership gives me a price tomorrow for a completely base Gator TS is. But yeah. It's crazy what used is the asking price
@@melissaakanubby8774 only one year ago, these were priced at about $7600. Today? $10,300
@@melissaakanubby8774 exactly the same machine, nothing new, but they blame it on COVID one way or another
It's kinda crashing, picked up my 2022 x3 max for 31k 2 months ago. They have dropped atleast 2k now. And the wildcat x was a good machine as long as you don't have over 1k miles. Lol! Still glad I got my x3 because I have a 5 year warranty bumper to bumper and I'm gonna work that girl this summer.
Spot on about the Kitty. It was a bittersweet day when it left
Had old 2006 can am 650 as I recall 4 wheeler no complaints, then got cheap landmaster 400 I recon it was recall honda motor again not a bad deal. We get low cost functional for working woods
Low cost, functional. Those are good words to live by
As a dirtbiker I’m glad to see them crash. I’ll feel less likely to be wiped out by you all cutting blind turns in the future should they continue to thrive.
100% agree.
Everything is crashing. Nice job Democrats 👏👏👏
Hey Bob..... news flash...its corporate greed.Put a stop to it...dont buy until they stop being greedy pigs
Don't forget the nuclear war!
My avocado's went bad because I didn't eat them. F--king democrats. If weren't for them I'd have a good life...and ripe avocado's!
👏👏
I hope Trump & Hilary hook up. Mainly just because I'd like to watch your head explode 🤯🤣😂
I moved from California to Utah sand hollow and as soon as I moved I pre ordered a polaris pro r and it took ayear for me to get it but it was worth it lol especially it being my first utv. I had pre ordered a 2022 can am x3 xrc and switched my pre order once I saw the pro r in person. My opinion but if you compare the can am x3 to the polaris xp the can am is a better machine but x3 to pro r I choose polaris. Both are amazing.
I ultimately chose can-am over Polaris because of my height. The cabin has yet to comfortable for my long legs (6’7”) the PRO changed the cabin a bit and it’s better than the old XP style, but I still feel too upright. For me, one isn’t better than the other, one fits me, my family and my riding more. Otherwise, I’d jump all over one. My hope is to build a two seat pro r crawler. It would be sort of a community car.
don't know what type of interest rates they charge for financing but imagine payments on these are gonna start weighing heavily on people's budgets
likely of they are buying now, local credit union is at 7.99
Quads are making a come back 🤘🏻
I can believe how high they gotten as well. I really wanted to pick up a couple for my kids and couldn’t believe it
@@sxsoffroad I agree. Currently hunting a stock banshee and it’s like digging for gold that you have to pay for after finding lol
@@waferzworld so crazy
@@sxsoffroad You can find older TRX90s pretty cheap and those things are pretty bulletproof
@@waferzworld good luck with the banshee search. For a decent oem, maybe piped, banshee you’re still looking at spending 6k+.
I have to disagree with you on the Wildcat 1000 I had a 2018 and it was a very very reliable machine and now I have a wildcat double x and it is a hell of a machine very reliable
I’ll take that and say that I love the double X. My wildcat broke ball joints, tie rod ends, I rebuilt the motor, and all before 1000 miles. It was great for the first few hundred.
@@sxsoffroad It broke all that? Was the quality that bad or was it the way you were abusing the machine?
@@Blueknight1960 not abuse. Here’s the saga:
The first major problem happened when I took it to Moab the first time. I went over and did a small ledge on cliffhanger and folded the steering rod down and snapped the lower ball joint. That was within about 45 minutes of me driving it off the trailer. After that was repaired, I began snapping ball joints and tie rod ends pretty regularly. I swapped out the a arms and that helped. The stock ones had bowed out by almost 2 inches. The snapping of ball joints happened one or two times every time I took it out on the trail. It became the bad luck machine. I would be going down the road and not even a rough one and it would just suddenly snap and drive me down to the ground. I nearly rolled it five or six times because of this. I got to the point where I was just too scared to drive it. It was involved in an accident at one point, everything was gone through, frame checked, and beefed up with every aftermarket part you can imagine to strengthen it up. No luck, it just kept having problems and at one point the engine seized. It turned out that the oil pump wasn’t moving things like it should have, and it burned out. 4500 bucks for a rebuild on that motor. Needless to say, I was done with it.
@@Blueknight1960 shoot me an email sxstrailfix@gmail.com and I’ll shout you some pics
@@sxsoffroad I'll trust ya, no need for pics lol.
I use can am defenders for working. It’s just absolutely insane what I’m paying for these things. I bought an hd8 dps in July of 2020. Paid 13500. Traded it last month for an hd9 dps. My trade difference was 13700. It cost me a 1.10 per mile to run that machine not including routine maintenance. At this point you could just run the 16-18K miles then just scrap them. They are disposable.
Those defenders are great workhorses and yeah; it’s almost better to run them into the ground, dealer will still give you a trade value after they’re beat to hell
I don’t mind paying for the gas that goes in my UTV, but to drive my truck to where I need to go for camping at six dollars a gallon, really eats into the budget. Glad I still have my 2019XP4T., as the new UTV are way out of price. High gas prices have not only hurt the UTV market but the RV market as well, especially when you’re getting 10 to 12 miles per gallon on your truck towing either one. Thanks a lot Joe.
I had a 28’ trailer made to haul two canam max’s so there weren’t so many trucks driving to trailheads. That thing cost me 7k, but I’d say between my buddy and I, it has saved more than 2500.00 in fuel since June.
@@sxsoffroad But where were you sleeping? My toyhauler will hold one 4 seater. If you are saving gas by not taking extra trucks and then spending $$$ on hotels I think you would still be loosing money paying for expensive hotels.
@@timl9495 super C!
UTVs have destroyed our mountains in So. Utah.
This is a very challenging statement. Can you be precise on the location of the southern utah mountains you’re speaking of? I’m part of advocacy groups who raise money and tend to trails and areas constantly. Off roading in Utah existed before SXS’s. If there is an area that has “been destroyed” please bring it to the attention of people here so that something positive can be done.
Duck Creek and all areas around it are just beat to death. Wasn't a problem untill all the Vegas people showed up. Now theres a hundred or more videos on come to Duck Creek. Place is totally trashed!
@@gladegoodrich2297 if you were to convey a message to riders, what would it be? People will read this.
Nothin I can say that will make any difference. Every year more will come and things will only get worse.
I got quoted Tuesday Nov 15
CanAm Defender HD700 base $12,500+tax and fees
CanAm 850xmr $13,800+tax+assembly $1299+.....
This ATV and buggy cost more than a motorcycle that can be ridden anywhere!
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The pricing of them is completely insane!
Sorta reminds me of rv sells in the winter time.
really want that pro r but man I don’t wanna pay 40k I’d be stupid to pay that
They are incredible machines and over the top for the average weekender. I know guys who went all in and are over 90k into them now. But… they also own business related to them so being big and flashy sells.
My dad own a 2006 Arctic Cat 500 ATV and thst thing is beat to hell but like a Honda it just doesn’t die
New machines are pricing themselves out of business. Unless you have money boiling out of your pockets $30,000 Plus for a toy is ridiculous.
Check out the vid I did yesterday, talks about the prices.
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It is about time, everyone and their mother have one and they are like buying a good pickup.
I bought my 2018 rzr turbo for $11500 sold it 6 months ago for $22k then bought the 2022 rzr pro 4 ultimate for 33k it was an awesome year.