WHAT IF...? Ep. 9 | Next Level Stupid
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2021
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As a person who's big on lore and it irritates me to no end that this show constantly contradicts its own lore
There is no excuse for that, some idiot said it was "freedom to be creative" the results shows that with no limitations they just drivel.
Blame AC Bradley, the head writer
Oh yeah the infinity stones working in other universe,s really pissed me off .
Everything probably could've been cleared up real easy if Starlord T'challa just had a one-on-one sit-down with Ultron.
You cant reason with a program. ever try reasoning with Windows 10?
Yeah im willing to admit when im wrong.
187% a miracle that's NOT the episode we got, lol.
Ultron is so much more logical than the Mad Titan, after all.
I don;t like that they're ignoring the very simple rule of an Infinity Gauntlet only working in it's home dimension. Ultron can't go destroying universes because he logically shouldn't.
The writer answered how he's using them. He powers himself, he can't use them like in his reality. It's why the time stone is just a laser blast and doesn't affect time etc.
@@tatters6623 That is the dumbest thing I've heard of. What is the point of using his power to power a stone that can't even be utilized to its full potential? That's a waste.
I was smarter before that explanation.
@@tatters6623 so why did dr strangers stone work then? Also, how was he taking over universes without the stones?
I would've just accepted that in the MCU the stones work anywhere and been happy, but the writer contradicted that and now it's an undeniable plot hole. 2 time stones were properly being used in the same universe, no self powering going on.
@@edwardrichtofen8530 HE ABSORBED ALL THE MAGIC.
The Watcher did The Simpson's Leonard Nimoy Monorail scene.
Leonard Nimoy: "Well, my work is done."
Barney: "What do you mean your work is done? You didn't do anything."
Leonard Nimoy: "He, he. Didn't I?"
**Beams up**
At least Nimoy saved Krusty from killing himself in that episode.
"No! The world needs laughter."
@@tfly999 Best line from that episode. And somehow only works well if Leonard Nimoy says it.
Starlord's biggest feat was talking down Thanos with a good argument. When the Watcher added T'challa to the team I was assuming it was because he was suppose to change Ultrons mind or something.
They seemed to be setting it up too because Ultron seemed lost after destroying his first universe. But he really didn't do anything special.
The naysayers are right. They could have just kept Peter Quill then
I found it unbearably irritating that the Guardians had to plant a bomb powered with Anulax batteries in Ego's brain to kill him. Whereas T'Challa Star-Lord simply shoots him and he's down. What a waste of Kurt Russell.
Bcs that’s not him, just a copy. His main body is still the planet
My theory is that the writters got the idea of Ultron vs Thor, Strange, CA, SL, Gamora, BW and Killmonger and they wanted to write the story around that but since they didn't realise how that doesn't work in a MULTIVERSE show they just failed since the beging.
Infinity War and Endgame has forced the MCU into the odd dichotomy of powered beings slightly stronger than the average human punching each other vs. multi-universe destroying events happening on a daily basis. Its not good entertainment trying to balance these power levels
Since Avengers 1, they handled it by having LOTS of minion characters for the various folks to fight. Of course, then the new writers didn’t get the memo.
Yeah the powerscaling is all over the place. Like how was Natasha able to do that suplex or neck throw or whatever it's called on Ultron in episode 9?
@@EB_3693 yeah and what’s funny to not to mention in the original canon like an age of Ultron she wasn’t anywhere near close to ever fighting him in a real fight Steve Rogers even struggle but he had more of a chance than she did
@@EB_3693 It's called a Head Scissor Takedown but yeah.. she shouldn't be able to someone who Universally Leagues above her... let's not even talk about her being able to kick Loki out of the way when Rogers himself literally had to Tornado kick him in the face just to make him flinch in Avengers 1.
They killed iron man 4 times in this show
He got killed by hank pym in ep3,
He was killed by a zombie in ep5
He was killed by kilmonger in ep6
He was killed by ultron in ep8
His fate is death in every universe...
Good.
I don't know why they even bother to have him in. I didn't even watch the show as saw in a commercial how they ruin Iron Man thing where he became Iron Man.
Honestly feel like Doctor Strange could have probably took on Ultron by himself.
Granted all of his big feats seemed to take effort from him so if they gave him an assist from Carol Danvers and I guess kept starlord around to pickpocket Ultron, there's no way they would have lost.
Do you know what I find really interesting in all of this? You just got to the part where Natasha corrupts Ultron with an AI/virus (?) and I was just sitting here, thinking, that the Ultron we knew from our timeline in our movie was *really* into self-improvement. He kept going through iteration after iteration of himself, upgrading himself whenever he could, however he could, to make himself stronger and more resilient... so I find it incredibly hard to believe that another Ultron, especially one that got the Infinity Stones, wouldn't have been doing the same. And having the Infinity Stones, he could be doing this without having to actually slave away trying to find new material and new tech to do this - he could teleport everywhere to find what he needed or even just conjure things into existence - or change his own existence - with the Stones to make himself a nigh-impregnable nightmare machine-god.
So why didn't he? ;D
That's one of the longest-term, biggest problems with superheroes, especially the ones from comics - power scaling. People and things get such insane powers that things often become unmanageable without resorting to similarly absurd solutions... or screwing the pooch completely by not addressing the problem or leaving gaping plot holes regardless.
They should have made the watcher in Stan Lee’s image. That would’ve been bomb.
I think he should have been Alex Jones.
Stan Lee is toaa..
Realistically, Stan Lee is BEYOND the watcher. The foundations of the entire Marvel universe (including multi-verse) are based on his ideas.
Yes, this also extends to people who are not Stan Lee but creators of Marvel entertainment.
I hoped he would show up.
Or any other watcher for that matter...
@@kfcfingerlicker9292 it sucks they are changing a sweet old man's heroic stories into violent fan fics if he came with all the messed up things like zombies and all gore stuff back then?
It is in canon that Infinity Stones only function in their own reality from which they originated from. So Ultron's stones shouldn't work in alternate universes.
Even without the poltics, the series is just medicore, it has like 2 good episodes, one great episode and the rest are bad
Which one is the "great" one?
What really saddens me is that a lot of people like this show. This will only make Marvel deliver more mediocre content.
@@darthkai8242 Are you kidding me the Zombie episode was garbage
@@darthkai8242
...Free show?!
Regardless i don't think it is. I know you mericans love your zombies to death but how does it compare to other zombie movies?! The whole attempt at comedy kinda kills the mood.
@@Ivan-uf8ud Well, that's why tastes vary between people. You think they can do better, but some people accept it as is.
The funniest bit of the episode for me is Peggy cursing with British swear words when she's being transported.
As someone who comes from Britain, it came across as laughable stereotyping. Imagine Peggy saying "Cor blimey! Fish and chips! God save the Queen!" and you'll know where I'm coming from.
So they grabbed the diet coke versions of Captain America and Star Lord, but no Hulks or (I'm loathed to say this) Captain Marvels to fight a multiple unverse destrying god tier vision?
Also why even pick Killmonger? Over Stark? Are they saying Stark wouldnt have been smart enough to figure out how to separate the stones from Ultrons body but Killmonger was?
@@budgiecat2885 Nah, it's because The Watcher has Future sight. Or smth.
Great comment. Diet Coke. I choked on mine when I read that.
ITS NOT ABOUT POWERLEVELS ITS ABOUT THE WATCHER WRITING THE STORY
@@ricardoredway True. It's also got to do with utility.
The definition of: _Thorias asking the real questions here!_
Remember when super hero cartoons were well acted, well written, wonderful escapism with no social justice nonsense in the 90s? With star shows like batman the animated series, Spiderman, justice league unlimited, and more. Pepperage Farm remembers.
Miss those days
Teen Titans and Young Justice too, those show hasn't aged a day!
@@shinjiokami yeah they have, Teen Titans Became teen titans go and that’s garbage, Season 3 of Young Justice has absolutely garbage story arcs.
@@shinjiokami
Yes they have the original Teen Titans seasons 1-5 are still good
Young Justice seasons 1-2 are still great/good
The problem is Teen Titans Go and Young Justice season 3, the former is a terrible comedy series & the latter is/was a terribly written season that wasn't worth the wait
@@natechenry
I agree the original Teen Titans and the first two seasons of Young Justice are still good
Regarding the explanation that ALT Dr. Strange was able to cast "Plot Armor" is because he's older than our Dr. Strange, the problem with that explanation IMO is that it forgets Strange was the Time Stone, which gave Strange the ability to see into the future. It doesn't appear hard to imagine that Strange could've used the Time Stone to forsee a spell that could work against the Infinity Glove.
(Keep in mind, the Stone showed Strange a future five years past his own death to see how Iron Man defeats Thanos. If you believe every choice we make creates a different universe, you'd think using the Stone to see 14,000,000 fights with Thanos would produce trillions more different universes, one that could've shown a new sorcerer supreme discovering a spell to defeat Thanos)
The explanation isn’t that he’s older, it’s he literally consumed a universe worth of energy and knowledge to power himself up.
Not that weird at all he has powers we’ve never heard of before.
What *is* weird is that Uatu felt the need to get the other guys, when Strange is basically the only dude worth anything in a fight vs Ultron.
Dont try to make sense of marvels garbage writing.
I thought it was the same protection spell from his episode, the one his good half used on himself. It needed time to prepare which is why he could use it in this episode because he knew they were getting a team together
How is Ultron using the infinity stones outside his own universe? According to the Loki show the stones only work inside the universe they come from which Ultron already destroyed. Also if his mind is made from the mind stone itself, how does Ultron/vision even operate outside his universe? My head hurts
No, they did not say anything that intelligent. They just do not work in the TVA same goes with magic. Just do not ask why the agents do not use them to capture femloki and instead use them as paper weights, they are idiots. There are more than a few instances where it proves that.
Because this show was written before Loki and the writers dont communicate outside their shows anymore
Technically the stones shown in the TVA are not inside the universe.
The best explanation I can sum up for that is space time bullshit I can barely wrap around in my own head.
I will not try and explain.
In the comics "the council of reeds" an intedementional council of Reed Richards, found that out.
so it is a 100% cannon that the infinity stones would have gone inert as soon as they left their dimension.
so that tumble through portals would have totally nerfed ALL of ultron's infinity powers.
Jesus Marvel do you even know your own fiction!? ridiculous
@@grunge2001
Also you cannot destroy the stones!!!
Because they are not fancy rocks that control certain forces they are in effect the forces themselves! Which is why they do not work outside their respective universe.
The lore was already written for them they were just too lazy to look it up.
“We all know how nerfing Thanos is their favorite pastime”
Holy shit dude you fucking totally annihilated them!
The highlight of the entire show is the Doctor Strange episode, other than that it was pretty much a skip.
The Zombie episode is also a guilty pleasure, but that’s pretty much where my praise for the show ends.
the zombie episode was the worst. All that stupid forced humor didnt work at all
@@budgiecat2885 True but that can be said for the majority of the show, only reason I gave it a slight pass is because compared to the other episodes aside from EP4 it had some semblance of stakes.
Zombie episode was a big meh to me ... TWD had beaten the zombie genre to death ... and this G rated version added nothing.
Strange episode was amazing, better than most MCU stuff overall, but other than that, What if was mediocre.
Here’s the thing with the Doctor Strange episode. Remember when he de-rotted the apple with the Time Stone? He could have gone to her corpse years later and reverted it to how she was five minutes before she died.
"... has to take his shoes off the count to 21" XD I about died, choking on my coffee, aahahahahahahaha!
I don’t get it
Yeah! This interpretation of _"What if..."_ seems like it was intended to troll Marvel fans. I'm not just referring to this episode, either.
Can't wait to hear your review of the Star Trek: Lower Decks space orgy episode.
Shouldnt Killmonger eventually die of old age making Zola the victor eventually? (unless his energy runs out first?)
Seriously he's a regular human just trying to possess the stones powers. If just wanting the stones powers gave you the powers everyone that knew of them could tap into their power.
@@toddtaylor6506 Yeah, but unless you saw Guardians of the Galaxy, the idea might seem feasible. And it’s not like these writers do research on past stuff, as has been repeatedly demonstrated.
Not only that, but the Infinity Stones ruined Hulk's arm and killed Iron Man. Yet Killmonger can wield them without breaking a sweat.
@@dannypalin9583 Really has to be sweet being someone like AC Bradley, a head writer who can write all sorts of obvious contradictions but still manage to keep her job, doesn’t it?
@@dannypalin9583 Hold on though: Killmonger didn't get to use all 6 stones to do a Snap though. Though without a specially made Infinity Gauntlet (or Loki's sythe, Ronan the Accuser's weapon) to hold them without harming the wielder (doesnt effect Ultron because he's inorganic), maybe he found a way to wield them in the same manner Thanos did with the gauntlet by way of that ultra McGuffin we know as Vibranium lol
Honestly, should have just been a episodic show with each story has a actual beginning, middle, and end, and no cliffhanger to some potential serialized series
That's what i thought they were gonna do, not this crap.
Couldn't agree with you more. One of the many parts that made me furious was when the watcher, recruits GAMORRAH and says "oh not talking to you Tony Stark"... Biggest F you to the fans ever.
"A vilain so depraved he keeps a kill count in his own skin...". And there are people who actually think this guy was the hero of the movie.
Supreme Strange is far stronger than MCU Strange. His magic is boosted due the countless dark creatures he absorbed. Simply put, even if MCU Strange can do the barrier, it wouldn't be as strong as Supreme Strange's and Thanos would have broken it easily.
This magic was only supposed to amp his power to reverse absolute point in time
@@vecnahenrycreel1300 , there’s no such thing as an absolute point in time because time is none linear, so the only way time travel would be theoretically possible if it existed in real life is if it worked off multiverse theory.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr not entirely true. That's only if the timeline is changed in the past by events that weren't supposed to occur
Supreme Strange is stupendously Strong... you could say even stronger than the Infinity Stones combined, in his own episode he was able to Conjure and absorb a fraction of Shuma-Gorath who if you know him is one of if not THE MOST POWERFUL villains that ever appeared in Marvel Comics, also he might've absorb Mephisto as well since whenever he goes all out a Demon seems to seep through him.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr MCU retconned their multiverse theory 3 times in a row. Like with time travels
The Watcher ignoring Tony Stark and not picking him when THE PERSON THAT CREATED HIM MIGHT BE USEFUL AGAINST HIM IN A FIGHT!!
Gamora being suddenly important, I know theres a missing episode..but the subtle ways this show tried to push its feminism bullshit was actually more annoying then their usual hammer fist technique.
Widow making Hawkeye basically useless and also knocking down Loki, when even CAP COULDN'T DO IT!!
Making Thor a over the top dude bro.
So much wasted on identity politics.
Like how T’Challa could have talked down Thanos if he wasn’t raised by T’Chaka.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 Ugh..that episode is just the shits.
I liked Boseman's performance and even the idea....but its garbage Gary Sue writing.
Tony Stark being useless in the new MCU?! His legacy is spit on?! I, I--!!! am not surprised anymore...I really am not. Just...really sad.
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 Yea, I thought Tony dying over and over again was a inside joke considering Starks fate in Endgame..but this episode proved they simply wanted to take all of the straight white male Avengers down a peg.
Only Spider-Man looked decent, but he was still mostly being led around the nose by the women.
So sick of this "women have to be the key to everything" writing that infest all our entertainment these days.
@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 Of course his legacy would be spit on, the character who probably had the most development of any MCU character through End Game, needs to have his grave pissed upon
The Scott Lang jar head comment literally had me crying.
This is a perfect example of the standard of quality of the writers at Marvel.
"We got an idea, but we don't have the brains nor the talent to execute it."
You know, with the way the MCU has gone, i'm sort of glad Marvel and Gazillion ended their relationship and Marvel Heroes 2016 was shut down, because What if, and Black Widow would have completely destroyed my wanting to play the game. I doubt Captain Marvel would have, simply because of End Game, but this shit certainly would have, but i do miss that game at times
I’m just glad that Marvel vs Capcom ended on Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 because I wouldn’t want this bullshit SJW writing in the most popular and beloved fighting crossover video game series of all time.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Yes, because Marvel vs Capcom Infinite didn't happen....
I'm not trying to be condescending btw, can we seriously just pretend that MvCI didn't happen?
@@williamcronshaw5262 What is Capcom vs Marvel infinity? A working title?
@@williamcronshaw5262 yes we’re going to pretend that that shit never existed just like marvel ultimate three never happened because it’s best if the World forgets about it
Aww, I miss Marvel Heroes so much though. I LOVED that game. I absolutely adored it. I miss it so much.
That said, yes, it would be an endless barrage of feminist propaganda at this point. They were already doing "women of Marvel" celebrations and the like before it died.
I don’t understand why they kept going after the Soul Stone, because as long as Ultron had the Time Stone he could just keep rewinding time to fix his mistakes.
But then again Ultron got so nerfed that 2 girls throwing frisbees was physically hurting him so who knows what anyone was thinking.
Welcome to the M-She-U.
This episode was a bit of let down after the previous episode. Makes Ultron seem just as another man in the armour, instead of a super intelligent AI with an indestructible body, etc. He behaved like a human also. He should be able to vaporize them in an instant.
But I did like Doctor Strange, it shows how strong he became with studying sorcery for centuries, absorbing the strongest beings in the universe etc.
This only confirms what we all knew, the MCU peaked around Infinity War, it's only downhill from there.
I enjoyed watching the finale episode, but I enjoyed this video even more.
Me too.. Admittedly I agree with almost everything he said, it's just; I don't really take it too seriously and honestly the plot holes didn't ruin the show (for me) completely..
That being said, I felt if the show was longer or didn't cut episodes it could have justified the build up, as entertaining as it was to watch it was a bit annoying how rushed it felt and some episodes were really unsatisfactory.. I guess the Watcher being a metaphor for the viewer was the main reason for the show being structured the way it is, is somehow relevant to how he knows more than what he says in the show.. But that could have been done better with an episode about him instead of Peggy Carter or the other filler episodes like Hank Pym and Zombies
@@FeliX-TobiYahs-C I completely agree. Well said.👍
@@FeliX-TobiYahs-C I don’t agree everything was just garbage for what if yeah you can make the excuse that they were trying to stray away keyword trying they didn’t actually stray anywhere they made a few changes but still stayed on the same path just with a different character that was in the same MCU continuity see the whole point of what if‘s are to get a little bit more crazier with their concepts I mean sometimes you can just stick to the same events but you would have to show like very very big changes that aren’t limited to anything . If I’m being honest I literally could’ve done better far far better for what if and the thing is all I would’ve had to do was a little bit of research and just get some actual talent writers to help me put the story together. Unfortunately reality is often disappointing and the MCU and marvel and Disney will forever be retarded pumping out retarded garbage that people like you just consume because you’re used to it
Totally agreed with everything you said brother. Very disappointing. Infinity stones shouldn't have worked in a different universe. The selection of heros were a total joke. Extremely lazy and poor writing. Example, Thanos with Infinity stones and Ulton with Infinity stones, less than a second, cut in half over. This episode could have been amazing, instead, woke, joke, and lame.
i am still confused at the fact that in the comics its stated infinity stones domt work outside their own universe
My take..."what if..." Is its own all-encompassing universe with several time-lines to be considered different than an actual universe. Im making shit up and putting more work into it than the writers did
Bruhhhhhh that shit irritated me cause that means in the MCU you can't be stopped if you have the stones in any universe unless bs happens.
@@shiningnight12 ye but then they downplay them acting like captain marvel can tank them
@@anosvoldigoat666 that still annoys me that the mcu went out of their way to make her OP 😑 but then make her so bland
@@skinder124 then that would mean that everything written in the Loki series is bullshit too because straight up Loki discovered a desk full of them Ultron could’ve went there at any time outside of time to the bullshit time traveling facility whatever you call it and got some of their stones. Especially if he really wanted to be all powerful very badly but again in the comics and in the main continuity for the MCU it’s already been established that they don’t work outside of their own realities or universe so unless there’s a bullshit reason for why that happened they should’ve given Ultron something much more different to work with that’s still capable of multi-versal destruction
Captain Cater ends up making people want to see the adventures of first Iron Man Steve Rogers ..... oh the glorious irony .... LMAO !!!!!
A computer virus from the 1940s some how was able to do something to an omnipotent being. Since he was all in on interfering anyhow why wasn't the Watcher snatching up any and all heroes and even villains he could find to save all of the realities ? Instead of a trying to link them I think this series would have been better off as standalone stories. The cool idea of What if isn't resolutions it's as imagination fuel ..... you don't need Captain Carter to go on to have the same life as Captain America ..
The way Ultron was handled from the very beginning (i.e. in the movie) was terrible. Whoever they got to write this stuff simply didn't understand the consequences of having an profoundly intelligent AI.
The most prominent consequence is the advent of the the technological singularity. Pitting even the most intelligent entities you could find against such technology is losing proposition with every moment that passes having any kind of success disappear exponentially. In other words by the time the avengers knew there was a problem it was already too late.
This is the case way before such an entity gets the infinity stones. With that kind of power together with the ability to convert matter into intelligence, I couldn't even begin to imagine anything that could stand against it.
Further though, the idea that such an entity would desire to destroy seems stupid in the extreme. What in practice I would expect such a depiction to reveal, is that Ultron simply created a "bad guy" caricature for those who might want to interfere with its plans to deal with. That the caricature would battle with those forces and allow them to succeed thus implying that Ultron was no longer an issue of any kind. The very best way of winning a battle is to con the opposing side into thinking they've won while you remain entirely hidden and unhindered.
With the reality stone, Ultron could easily encase any form of opposition in a pocket reality with those within it being entirely unaware of their confinement. I dare say this same result could be achieved using any of the stones.
Stupid doesn't even begin to describe how much of a lost opportunity Ultron as an opposing force could have been.
Thanks for the review, at least it saved me from having the pain of watching them fail so badly.
Yes Ultron is ultra powerful yet stuck with the same programming he had when Stark programmed him (actually Pym) of making peace. Even his intellect should have realized that killing everyone was not a path to peace.
That’s kind of how I feel about endgame I don’t believe the heroes actually one my theory is that Thanos just trick them into believing they did as a sort of perpetual dying dream just like Ultron probably did for this series because it doesn’t make any sense to make an all powerful villain and then you just dumb him down in the most stupidest way possible so that the heroes could win usually you would make a hero that scales up to that villain and everybody else is either a distraction or extra back up.
@@mattmetawolf8634 I agree. It was way too easy for Thanos to create such an environment in which the heroes think they have won when they could be simply cut off from reality or in an illusion (or both) or as you say in a perpetual dying dream.
There are variations too, where perhaps Dr Strange wanted to take control of everything and put everyone else in such an alternative world. How could a human evaluate a multitude futures and decide only one could be successful? Doesn't this rather depend on what accounted as success? Taking out loose cannons like Tony Stark might seem like a positive outcome for someone like Strange. Perhaps it was the inverse and everyone else was trapped but Stark (and Strange) was saved.
The possibilities are literally endless in this regard and the version we got was very much the dumbed down iteration. Just watch the flashy CGI and don't ask questions.
What they didn't address was how we were supposed to know if any particular presentation was actually real in some conventional sense. It was the big "How can we be sure?" that hid in plain sight.
I always thought the greatest character flaw in Ms Marvel was her casual determination of what was accurate information. It really should have been a deep personal crisis as to what the truth really was but in effect it was hand waved away as if it wasn't a problem at all.
Any hero can be fooled into becoming the villain if they are convinced they are acting on accurate information when they are not.
Ultimately all the movies fall short in this regard.
Thank god I can just watch these episodes instead of the actual ones. Your sacrifice is appreciated my guy.
I assume this Dr. Strange is way way way more powerful cause he absorbed all types of creatures.
Wait, the only reason Strange needed to sacrifice himself is because the Watcher brought in Killmonger. Without Killmonger, who did NOTHING, there is no need for the sacrifice!
Ultron in ep8: bites a galaxy in half
Ultron in ep9: is slowed down by 5 people punching him
Ok you are forgetting this Strange spent 100 of years absorbing creatures, some crazy powerful. That Squid is like a creature that lives between universes. Remember he gained enough to power to break an absolute point.
Exactly I was like why Ultron stones work in other universes but other ones have differences where they can be destroyed by means of another universe? They want their cake and eat it too
This episode was "Arrowverse Crossover" level stupid.
Really? This was way better than anything Arrow else had to offer!
you know that star lord element gun can only be use by peter quill right?
Crisis was much better honestly
@@dragon_ninja_2186 Wrong based on this explanation it’s about the same probably more on the same level as endgame just on a higher level scale with stupid
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This actually isn't that implausible comics-wise.
In an iteration of the comics, one of the ways Hank Pyme (the creator of Ultron in the comics universe) damages and slows down Ultron enough to be defeated is through creating a virus on a Commodore 64. In the comics, the explanation is that because Ultron has advanced himself so far, he has probably advanced himself to a point where regressing backwards compatibility would be too hard for him to do since advancing exponentially is easier to do than regressing exponentially. So the coding language, processing and compiling of the data from a Commodore 64 would be the equivalent of a modern day human trying to get a 1 to 1 translation of cave paintings. The way the comics explains it has just enough words to make sound plausible even if it doesn't make 100% sense.
This is actually a thing about the What If stories that I find weird and confusing. Almost every episode has some actual tie to the comics they are basing themselves on, which prove that the writers at least read the comics, but then continue to either remove or ignore other elements of that comics to tell their story. Best example; in the Zombie Marvel episode, T'Challa is captured by Vision in order to feed Wanda if she were to get too hungry. This is a direct reference to the comics in which Hank Pyme essentially smuggles, hides and then drugs T'Challa away for himself to eat later when Magneto pulls off the plan to lock all the Zombie Heroes on some alternate planet or something. Its done because Hank knows nobody is going to share any food with him so, he keep T'Challa to himself so he never gets too hungry. In the Marvel Zombie line of comics, the thing that makes the world scary/fun is that only the Heroes are actual zombies and they are the kind of zombies that have some sort of intelligence to them, so they do trick and mentally manipulate their 'prey' to get a better chance at eating them, only becoming more mindless the hungrier they get. Even the headless character is a reference because when T'Challa escapes and thinks he's run into some enemies; he throws Janet's Zombie head at them as a weapon cause she's still trying to bite him this whole time.
Yes even though it’s not that implausible due to some bullshit that happened in the comics this is a super charged Ultron with the infinity stones so technically it’s not plausible because of the fact that he has the ability to boot Zola out of his head not to mention they had every opportunity to completely make Ultron a complete big fat threat to the heroes at large but they did the same thing they did to Thanos to him make a overpowered character who the heroes don’t ever rise to the challenge no!! they sit up here and dumb the villain down exponentially to make the heroes kind of work together with some patchwork stitch together duct tape plan
Hhhhhmmmm...So a COVID-19 virus can kill Ultron.
🤨🤨🧐🧐
I couldn't bring myself to care enough to watch the final episode. I've seen all of them except this one. The Thor episode is what broke me and the following episode didn't do enough to make me care what happens after. You're a stronger man than I if you managed to cross this finish line. I just couldn't.
Why didn't the Watcher grab Clint like he did the others?
I mean imagine he turns up shortly after Nat turns up to help fight Ultron.
How about Ultron summons his army of drones instead as he goes after the Watcher again?
Now imagine Strange manages to nerf Ultron's infinity stones at a key moment and they team up on him as Clint appears getting Nat and Carter's help to shoot Ultron with the arrow.
I mean come on if you're going to want help and you ignore the one person who helped Nat build that bloody arrow?!
As it turns out, Black Widow is just as good as Clint is with archery, and she demonstrates that during the episode.
Sure is fun being a female in the M-She-U where you can just have whatever skills are required for the story, even if your character shouldn’t have them.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 i still think the Watcher and the writer's missed a trick having him rescue Clint before he died and after he fired that arrow so he'd turn up to help them.
That would help with that end sequence with him helping Nat fight on the Helicarrier with Fury discovering two formerly dead Shield operatives have returned to the fray!
@@Darkwintre Then you’d have a male character doing something interesting in the M-She-U, which they’re doing everything they can not to have. Remember when Strange got cut from Wandavision, so Agatha the villain had to teach Wanda for no good reason?
The Assholes: we're here to defeat you, Ultron! Your days of destroying universes are ov-
Ult-Vision: *Snaps.*
The Assholes: ha, we have power armor! Your snap is worthless!
UV: oh, really?
*Uses the Time Stone to rewind the plot armor and erase it.*
UV: so, you were saying?
They: he he he... can we negotiate? Maybe talk about this in a civilized way?
UV: no.
*Snaps them and his universes out of existence.*
Thank you! I have been waiting for this ending to your series on What If. I love watching your rants.
For all the new character setup they have to destroy those who came before in order to boost the new copy and paste female characters. We don't want copies of what was, we want new stories carrying on the legacy.
I have a feeling the trope of “it was all as I foresaw” that they gave the Watcher was to make it seem like he didn’t interfere and break his rule. That what he did already happened so he wasn’t interfering in the timeline he was fulfilling the timeline and thus doesn’t break his rule... technically and in a very muddled way...
But who watches the Watcher?
But isn't that the same thing that Strange did in Infinity and Endgame? He foresaw the outcome?
@@budgiecat2885 The living tribunal of course and all of the other cosmic gods Of marvel
@@jimthar17 The difference between Doctor Strange and the watcher is if we’re going by the exact same being from the comic books they’re not supposed to interfere due to being able to change reality and timelines at a whim like they did in space punisher. As for why who knows other than I guess it’s just a cosmic rule that basically life is just supposed to progress and change by itself without their help and they’re just supposed to relax and take notes. Strange on the other hand is a sorcerer supreme not to mention a magical being that’s meant to keep order like the rest of the heroes within the universe is clairvoyance only goes as far as to help make sure the outcome works the way it works and not tell it out of fear that it may not happen.
@@jimthar17 As an extra sidenote I don’t think that I’ve ever heard of the watcher ever having clairvoyance either but I might just be blinking out on a little bit of the watchers lore
You know what the greatest sin of this episode is?
It’s a ripoff of the DC CW.
It’s literally a guy gets a reality warping thingy, then people from different realities join up to stop the killer robot by shooting him with an arrow that has a computer virus on it.
That’s right, the guys writing What If, which should by all accounts the most creative and jaw dropping production Marvel has, STOLE their main plot from the Pre-Crisis Supergirl/Flash/Arrow team up episode
Ultron being able to use the infinity stones did confuse me because the infinity stones are supposed to only work in the universe they came from
I was thinking that as well. Looks like they completely ignored that fact.
Endgame Stones worked even they cane from other. Universes
@@FULANODETAL Different timeline =/= different universe
@@dylancross1039 yes they are as showed by ant man Exposition
@@FULANODETAL no they took it from different points in the timeline, creating different universes, not taking from different universes
It very funny but an infinity stones can only work in the universe where the infinity stone are from so he would need all infinite stone to destory
Peggy got such a free pass in her world. SOMEHOW the allies learn about the tesseract before Skull can start to exploit it, and for some reason Skull didn't go after it until after Peggy had been juiced, so they were able to get it away from Hydra and she never had to deal with Zola's technology. Also, she never had to fight Skull herself. She basically lived Steve's life like she's turned the settings to Game Journalist Mode and coasted through everything.
Still no idea why the fuck they needed Warmonger in the "final team".
Oh, I forgot... he is black.
WAIT... The infinity stones only work in the universe they were created in. Like, if you take the infinity stones to the universe next door, they stop working. It was best described as, the remote control for a very specific TV set. It doesn't work on any other TV. Yes. Basically the infinity stones are now Adam Sandler's "Click". That said, Ultron shouldn't be able to go from universe to universe destroying ANYTHING.
Although... I always wondered if it was possible to INVADE some other universe and have your universe EAT the other universe, that would be a way around the limitation, but I doubt the Writers came up with it.
Doctor strange Supreme is the only good thing about this show.
Remember when he used the Time Stone to bring the apple to a state before it had rot? He should have done the same to revert his love to a state before she died. She’d just remember five minutes before her death and need to catch up on the years that were rewound.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 clearly the writers weren’t thinking any of this through. This is the only Disney+ show I don’t like. I had a lot more fun watching Falcon and the winter soldier and that show is problems in itself. Loki and WV remain my favorite
@@natechenry There was a movie 2016 suicide squad. Harley Quinn was offered a magical simulacra of a family if she chose to stand aside and let innocent people suffer. She immediately turned it down, and doing so didn’t suddenly absolve her of all her crimes or having other sociopaths saying things like “They’ll never understand your sacrifice.” Harley also didn’t fly off to study the Book of the Damned afterwards.
So, Harley is less of a monster than Wanda.
@@natechenry As far as Sam Wilson, there’s a word for people who endorse attacking innocent people for political aims, and those are a kind of people you never negotiate with. Sam Wilson sympathizes with them. That alone disqualifies him from being a superhero in my book. You don’t tell politicians they have to “do better” or else more people might do awful things, or you’re helping spread the fear that people like that want.
@@natechenry Loki falls into the very common trap of “there’s a female character now so my character needs to be pathetic now so she can shine.” Suddenly the guy who was so powerful in the first Avengers movie is a clown.
But, as I posted elsewhere on this channel, I do not forgive Sylvie for her HUGE mistake of killing He Who Remains. But, her lack of intelligence doesn’t surprise me.
Out of all the episodes in this show, this one is the most annoying thing I’ve ever saw. Marvel comics is losing quality recently and failing in sales, I guess Marvel studios is slowly getting there.
I don't why, but that thumbnail makes me laugh out loud every time I see it.
Well you cant go to the past, to make your time line in the present, change.....
Steve Rodgers: The time line must have yielded to my shield, no wait, plot contrivance.
Thorias...always watching these shows...so we don't have to! Thank you for your service!!
I know these reviews much like the Super Girl reviews must require ungodly amounts of booze 🥃 to get through but they are funny as hell thanks for posting them.
You put into words what I've been feeling about this show. I so badly wanted to like it but it just faltered at ever turn. So many chances to make this unique or something exciting and new.
The Woke mentality has, by its nature, Holes in its Plots. It almost matches the Holes in the Woke Minds Heads.
@Bull Moose Its worse. They can't fathom morality at all.
Dr. Strange defense amor protective spell was putting in all the work. Like literally protect them from planet and galaxy level attacks huh? Didn't t'challa armor broke when he got flung away but now it can handle anything
This review by Thorias reminded me that, By Steve Rodgers going back in time and having a life with Peggy Carter he in essence murdered her daughter who would never be born having been fathered by another man.
If u mean sharon carter she is peggy's niece
This makes CW Crisis on infinite Earths look like watchable
Crisis On Earth X >>> COIE
Notice how Watcher recruits Gamora… but not Tony, the guy who helped make Ultron.
Welcome to the M-She-U.
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Bestest? As a fellow german I have to say: "Du kannst Superlative nicht steigern, Hans!"
@@michaeldiekmann6494 bestest evah is a registered trademark of the Anti Cultural Marxism Internet Pop Culture Critics Front, so i´d reply "Kenne Deine Pappenheimer!" Also, you might wanna watch some Doomcock vids. By the way, i only live in Germany but i´m no German. Cheers!
What If... We took all the fun and entertainment out of Marvel cartoons. DONE!
*Imagine being the person(s) to ruin generations worth of work from people who lived and died for the industry within, around, and for imaginative escape via comics in the west pre 2014. The worst part is the amount of work it'd take to either fix the industry or rebuild the reputation of it after these morons have finished with it. Really freakin sad and I REALLY feel bad for the men/women that are stuck in the trenches around this sh**.*
10:40-11:20
You are right. You see in marvel comics the infinity stones, do not work in a universe that they do not originate from. But every one seems to have forgotten this crucial detail these days.
Gender swapping a character is one of if not the most creatively laziest things you could do in a story. Making Peggy the Super Soldier instead of Steve is just so damn boring. I fell asleep faster watching that than I did watching Batman V Superman.
Doctor Strange became powerful enough to destroy his own universe and cast shields after he absorbed hundreds, if not thousands of extra-dimensional beings. At one point during the fight, he lost control and released one that looked like an octopus, that fortunately decide to fight Ultron. Besides that, the series as a whole wasn't that great.
I honestly think the octopus being from both the Carter episode and Strange episode is Shuma-Gorath. However, if that is true then it makes no sense how Carter is still sane or not working for it, as Shuma is normally beatable because a droplet of his power is in the universe. Being in his universe is not a winning battle unless your a character like Strange or Death.
@@yamadiyoo9658 Yeah, that's quite telling on how bad the power scaling is in this show.
@@Lexathos666 And that’s why I don’t like when power scalars try to bring in terrible characters to the fray or just badly written and make no sense logically I understand there are certain characters who are like that right but for the ones like a fucking robot who has the power of the infinity stones stones that only work inside their own universe that’s a problem
Conflicted i thought it was decent but i believe it was the different characters n story then u come with ur logical depiction n pointing out things i dumbed myself down to watch but i guess thats why i respect ur reviews its honest and accurate and makes one think i was laughing so much at the things u pointed out perfect review as usual so combo of bad what if and ur review works
Party Thor was the diversion for kill monger because he needed supervision. Peggy was so close to widow that she knew about her family when Steve didn't. That's what earned trust. Gamora was so killmonger didn't find out he was disposable. No one needs foresight to know killmonger was going to betray the team or that the virus was coming back or trusting hydra to save the day is a bad idea. And yes ultron and the watcher knew the crusher wouldn't work.
HOW? how? how can you watch the best episode out of every single marvel tv show and still manage to complain about it. I can't bro this episode was so good it was on quality with the movies. What are you doing with your life if you don't love this absolute awesome episode and final battle against ultron.
They leaned on the comics so hard that couldnt be asked to write it down
As far as I know the stones only work within their own universe. But because that fact destroys the premise, the writers chose to ignore it.
It simply wouldn't be the *"M-SHE-U"* without plot holes.
You know what Ultron could’ve done used the space and reality stone to make an ability which makes people shrink to half their size every time someone halves the distance between them and as one’s height reduced by half and takes double the time to walk the distance so if one’s height is a quarter of their original,it would take 4 times longer to walk the distance, If a human could think of this Ultron definitely could
You forgot, Peggy Carter didn't just do the same thing Steve would have. She did it better.
Also, infinity stones can't work outside their own universe. This whole storyline was stupid. The infinity destroyer follows the rules but the stones don't? Ugh.
I'm not sure why they got this hate for Gamora. She was absent from all the episodes other than one that involved her and somehow it was cut from the season? You can tell who they hate based on the voice actors. The original actors that don't reprise their roles are either contractually done or 'wronged' Disney somehow. Brie Larson, Chris Pratt, and Scarlet Johansson come to mind.
I'm disappointed they couldn't get James Spader to play Ultron or maybe Paul Bettany.
Thank you 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Saw the title and just stopped by to tell you that last battle was lit.
Numerous times over the course of watching this show with a friend of mine I would point out ridiculous things that didn’t make any sense and my friend would pretty much always simply say “it doesn’t matter. It’s what if.” The last time this happened was when thanos got cut in half in episode 8. From that point on I simply sat in silence and had no input or feeling on anything that happened. If nothing matters, why are we watching this? If nothing matters, what makes this not the equivalent of an anime filler arc? I mean seriously if we just chalk everything up to “it’s what if!” Then that means literally anything can happen moment to moment and there is no reason to be invested in any of it. It’s basically the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
T'Challa was able to get the soul stone because he got "soul"...
And the show is super bad?
Dr. Strange Supreme not only is a lot older and knows more magic (which they didn't say but could be easily assumed) he is also much more powerful as main universe dr Strange due to him absorbing so many different multidimensional monsters and taking their power to increase his, so that at least had some reasonability, in my mind at least.
You missed the biggest two plot holes . Strange Supreme has the power to reverse an absolute point in time, and could collapse a universe. So he could have just stopped the absolute point in all times universe and collapsed it and saved everyone else. Two the major mistake in episode 9 is that there was no arrow to use because Zola was already downloaded into an Ultron bot. In the previous episodes showed Clint using the arrow in the battle against ultron's minions. Clint shoots the eye out of one of the Ultron's bot army, and downloads Zola into the robot. So the Arrow would be useless against ultron at this point.
Just watched episode 9 and had to come here for your review.
I'm shocked you or anyone could make it through 9 episodes. I honestly forgot it was even a thing . It took all of 2 ep. for me to tune out .
It's not that they didn't stick the landing it's that they missed not only the mark but the planet itself. Wow episode 9 was bad.
So many things that bugged me...
- Black Widow being a Mary Sue (as of late but especially here), doing special stuff just as well as the other Avengers (Being a tech wiz like Tony himself, using a shield just like Steve and Peggy, shooting a bullseye like Hawkeye himself 😵)
- nobody realizing that the Soul Stone was literally the last stone they should’ve thought to steal...it should’ve been the Reality Stone
- Gamora defeats Thanos?? Fucking HOW
- Watcher thinking that Captain Carter was actually gonna be useful
- Watcher revealing himself to everyone, in every reality he went to recruit from
- Watcher just kinda not doing anything until the last second
- Watcher forever changing up Killmonger’s world by removing him
...speaking of that
- WATCHER THINKING THAT KILLMONGER WAS A GOOD CHOICE
But now, Things I loved
- Doctor Strange Supreme
- Star Lord T’Challa
- ZOMBIE WANDA 👀
- Doctor Strange Supreme
- Infinity Ultron in general (minus not using the Reality Stone too much)
- Doctor Strange Supreme
that strange absorbed other beings to gain more power
Peggy is good as Peggy. Agent Carter was a good show. We don’t need her to be something she’s not.