PT 2!!! What's The Bible Say About The Trinity?! @shamounian @StandingForTruthMinistries

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  • @demikats
    @demikats Місяць тому +1

    Have a cheerful new month my friend Albert •God bless you & yours 🙏🏻

  • @sheroldpruitt8328
    @sheroldpruitt8328 Місяць тому +1

    God Bless you brother 🙏

  • @dougbendo8817
    @dougbendo8817 Місяць тому +3

    A crucial and often overlooked contradiction within the Trinity doctrine is the attempt to reconcile the "threeness" of the persons with the "oneness" of God often leads to a diminishing of both.
    Trinitarians try to avoid the accusation of believing in three gods by claiming that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share a common essence, which is the true "God." They argue that the persons are distinct but not separate, united in this shared essence.
    However, this creates a new problem: subtracting the essence of God from his personhood leaves you with a God who is less than Himself.
    Here's why this is a logical and theological dilemma:
    Essence Defines Being: In philosophical and theological terms, essence refers to the fundamental nature or substance of something. It's what makes something what it is. If you separate God's essence from His personhood, you're essentially saying that God's being is somehow less than His essence, which is nonsensical.
    The Bible Emphasizes God's Personhood: The Scriptures consistently portray God as a personal being, not just an abstract essence. He has thoughts, feelings, will, and actions. He relates to humanity, enters into covenants, and reveals Himself through personal encounters. To divorce God's essence from His personhood is to strip Him of His very character and relational nature as revealed in the Bible.
    The Logical Consequence is a Diminished God: If God's essence is somehow "greater" or more "real" than His personhood, then the God we encounter in Scripture becomes a shadow of His true self. This creates a distance between God and humanity, making Him less knowable, less relatable, and ultimately, less worthy of our worship.
    The Trinity doctrine, in its attempt to balance unity and distinction, ultimately fails to do justice to either. It tries to avoid the accusation of polytheism by creating a "compound unity," but this construct ends up diminishing both the oneness of God and the distinctness of the persons.
    A more biblically consistent approach is to recognize:
    Scripture is clear there is no Trinity.
    1. Jesus tells us how you was GRANTED divinity By God the Father and how the Father divinity "works though" Jesus .
    John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself
    John 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.
    This is why Jesus states in John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
    1 John 5:11-12 "And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life."
    Life originates from God The Father and is mediated through the Son.
    The Father as the one true God, the ultimate source of all things, including the Son's spirit and being.
    Jesus as the Son, eternally begotten, sharing in the Father's divine nature, but distinct from and submitted to the Father.
    The Holy Spirit as the Father's active agent, carrying out His will in the world.
    This understanding allows for a genuine relationship between the Father and Son, avoids the logical contradiction of a "compound unity," and upholds the biblical portrayal of God as a personal and relational being, fully present in His creation and interacting with humanity.

  • @StandingForTruthMinistries
    @StandingForTruthMinistries Місяць тому +2

    Thanks for doing this review, brother! Excellent work! God bless.

    • @DaScripturePlug.Albert
      @DaScripturePlug.Albert  Місяць тому

      Thank you brother. I appreciate a good bit of what you do on your channel!

    • @dougbendo8817
      @dougbendo8817 Місяць тому +1

      @StandingForTruthMinistries your going to fix that trinity model and add essence to it correct with origins like talked about?

  • @dazzadizzy5308
    @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому +4

    SO in conclusion to part 1 and 2,is the trinity biblical? NO

    • @mleo2003
      @mleo2003 Місяць тому

      Only thing I conclude is you are a blind heretic who lies and didn't actually watch what was presented, nor did you address anything they or we presented either... idiot...

  • @dazzadizzy5308
    @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому +3

    HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A PERSON!!!
    If Jesus was begotten of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was a third distinct being in the Godhead, that would make the Holy Spirit Jesus Christ’s Father! Yet, even worldly churches know that is not true. Christ prayed to God His Father. “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father…” (Matthew 26:39).

    • @mleo2003
      @mleo2003 Місяць тому +1

      No, idiot, the Holy Spirit is not a "distinct BEING in the Godhead". We say the Holy Spirit is a distinct PERSON... And the Holy Spirit being God in Essence STILL makes Jesus the Son of God, and the Son of the Father, because they are ALL THE SAME ESSENCE!
      Quoting the Muslim's favorite cherry picked verse to try to support your heresy does not help you. You are STILL not fairly representing the Trinitarian position, which means you are attacking a STRAWMAN. But what else is new, you just lie to people and act like it's no big deal... demon...

  • @RabbiMalahkYah
    @RabbiMalahkYah Місяць тому +3

    " Behold, the days are coming, "
    Says the LORD ,
    " That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
    A King shall reign and prosper ,
    And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth .
    In His days Judah will be saved ,
    And Israel will dwell safely ;
    Now this is His name by which
    He will be called :
    THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS
    Jeremiah 23 : 5 - 6
    Then the Spirit lifted me up, and I heard behind me a great thunderous voice: " Blessed is the glory of the LORD from His place !"
    Ezekiel 3 : 12
    This was such a good live , that the heretics couldn't handle , so made excuses to run away , no one got blocked , a few got timed out for whatever reason (s) . Sam is just Sam with a wealth of knowledge & the ability to impart it to all who wish to learn .
    That heretic common sense Christianity is just a mouth piece with an over inflated ego , I've been on his lives & comment section many of a time only to meet with instant ad hominem,& now he's timed out his comment section ( a few months back) .
    Well peace and blessings, keep up the good work you do & blessings for you & your soon to be other half . May the Lord Bless you both ,May you both have a long & prosperous life . 🙏✝️🙏

    • @VirtuousHeretic-mi8xt
      @VirtuousHeretic-mi8xt Місяць тому

      See I told you , you doing this!!! 👉👉 🙏✝🙏 The cross is the Babylonian symbol of the false deity Tammuz !!! and you are showing reverence to it!!! You insult God by doing so ! BUT when has that ever bothered you?!!

    • @dougbendo8817
      @dougbendo8817 Місяць тому +1

      You've shared a passage from Jeremiah 23:5-6, a prophecy about a future king who will reign in righteousness, and Ezekiel 3:12, which describes the Spirit lifting up Ezekiel and hearing God's voice. You then praise Sam for his knowledge and criticize "Common Sense Christianity" for ad hominem attacks and closing comments, concluding with personal blessings. However, your interpretation of Jeremiah 23:5-6 is misguided, and your overall response relies on emotional appeals and irrelevant observations rather than substantive engagement with the scriptural arguments I've presented.
      Here's why your reasoning is flawed:
      Misinterpreting Jeremiah 23:5-6: You seem to be implying that this passage about a righteous king somehow supports the Trinity. However, the verse simply describes a future ruler from the line of David who will bring justice and peace to Israel. This prophecy finds its fulfillment in Jesus, but it doesn't say anything about a triune Godhead or the ontological relationship between the Father and Son. The fact that this king will be called "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" doesn't prove he's identical to Yahweh, the Father. The Bible often uses titles and descriptions in various ways, and we need to consider the context.
      Irrelevant Reference to Ezekiel 3:12: Citing Ezekiel 3:12, where the Spirit lifts up the prophet and he hears God's voice, adds nothing to the discussion about the Trinity. It simply describes a common way in which God communicates with and empowers His prophets. It doesn't imply that the Spirit is a co-equal person within the Godhead.
      Ad Hominem Attacks and Irrelevant Commentary: Your attacks on "Common Sense Christianity" and praise for Sam are irrelevant to the core issue of whether the Trinity is biblically sound. These comments are emotional appeals and attempts to discredit those who disagree with you without actually addressing their arguments. Your personal blessings at the end, while well-intentioned, are also irrelevant to the scriptural debate.
      Ignoring the Core Contradictions: You've failed to address the numerous scriptural inconsistencies I've presented that challenge the Trinity doctrine:
      The Father is the sole source of life, including Jesus' spirit. (John 5:26, Luke 23:46, Genesis 2:7, Job 33:4, Acts 17:25). This contradicts the Trinity's claim of Jesus possessing inherent, uncreated life.
      Jesus consistently submits to the Father's will, demonstrating a hierarchy within the Godhead. (John 14:28, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Hebrews 5:7). This contradicts the Trinity's claim of co-equality.
      Instead of resorting to misinterpretations, distractions, and ad hominem attacks, I urge you to engage with the scriptural evidence I've presented.
      I challenge you once again to:
      Explain how the Father can be the sole source of life, as Scripture consistently affirms, while Jesus also possesses inherent, uncreated life, as the Trinity claims.
      Show me where the Bible explicitly defines the Trinity as three co-equal, co-eternal persons in one God. Provide the chapter and verse, not just interpretations or assumptions.
      Engage with the verses I've presented that demonstrate Jesus' dependence on the Father and his process of "becoming" through his incarnation, death, and resurrection. Explain how these verses align with the concept of co-equality.
      A genuine pursuit of truth requires humility, open-mindedness, and a willingness to consider alternative interpretations, even those that challenge our cherished beliefs. The Bible, read consistently and honestly, supports the view of the Father as the ultimate source of all things, and Jesus as his beloved Son, eternally begotten, sharing in the Father's divine nature, but ultimately distinct from and submitted to the Father. This understanding aligns with Scripture and avoids the logical inconsistencies inherent in the Trinity doctrine.

    • @RabbiMalahkYah
      @RabbiMalahkYah Місяць тому

      @dougbendo8817 really a mere king ? Who the LORD calls , THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS; do explain which mere mortal is OUR LORD , as the English translation of the Holy Bible only uses LORD for the God ,.HaEl

    • @RabbiMalahkYah
      @RabbiMalahkYah Місяць тому

      @dougbendo8817 oh by the way , who gives two soggy sarnies what you think , your just a Mr contarian. No hope ,no life in you .

    • @mleo2003
      @mleo2003 Місяць тому

      @@VirtuousHeretic-mi8xt Dizzy Demon, stop being stupid under a new name...

  • @Verge63
    @Verge63 Місяць тому +1

    The nitwit at common sense took cheap shot at Sam S and shut down comments.

    • @DaScripturePlug.Albert
      @DaScripturePlug.Albert  Місяць тому

      lol yea he doesn’t keep his comments up. He’s just a mess to be as nice as possible.

    • @John_Robard
      @John_Robard 29 днів тому +2

      I watched his video wasn’t a cheap shot. He embarrassed Sam & his buddy. What’s his face. Sam didn’t have nothing to say, and you neither don’t have anything to say so no wonder why he muted his comments😆

  • @mleo2003
    @mleo2003 Місяць тому +6

    Dizzy Demon had to try to mouth off in the live chat, and said that "Mighty God" was Jesus, and not Yahweh.
    Isaiah 10:20-21
    20 In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no more lean on him who struck them, but will lean on 👉👉the Lord, the Holy One of Israel👈👈, in truth. 21 A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to 👉👉the mighty God👈👈.
    Scripture refutes heretics again! Isaiah, the Same Isaiah that identifies the Messiah as "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6, here calls "the Mighty God" as "the LORD, the HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL"!
    Heretics fail at trying to shoe-horn there dumb ideologies into scripture, because Scripture defends itself.

    • @dazzadizzy5308
      @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому

      Lol you puny human! YHWH is MIGHTY and is GOD , what you fail to spot in your false equivalence is Jesus BECOMES a mighty god , YHWH was at the time of Isaiah and for all eternity before , ISAIAH 9:6 is the foretelling of things to come !
      For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
      See the words "shall become..." do we not so clever pagan!
      Plus I brought up Luke 1:32 , Albert ....nearly was tempted to go there but realising if he went toe to toe with me on scriptures that I know and he doesnt , is never a good idea for Albert.
      So.
      Luke 1:32
      32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
      Truth in your face M lie o 2003 is that Jesus is to have these things GIVEN , given by who ? YHWH the Most High God elevates Jesus to King , Jesus is NOT YHWH or the Most High !!!

    • @dazzadizzy5308
      @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому

      David was a good shepherd , Jesus is a good shepherd , Father/GOD is a good shepherd .. so by you dimwits logic they must be all one in the same shepherd huh? 🤣

    • @mleo2003
      @mleo2003 Місяць тому +1

      @@dazzadizzy5308 I'm not the one who tried to claim "Mighty God" is just Jesus, but "Almighty God" is the Father. That was YOUR dumb claim, that has now BACKFIRED in your face!
      You never SHOWED where Jesus ever BECAME the Mighty God. In fact, Isaiah 9:6 DECLARES the Messiah (Jesus) IS ALREADY MIGHTY GOD! Unless you want to say he BECOMES "Wonderful, Counselor" or "Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace"???
      Isaiah 9:6 says he will be CALLED those things, not that he BECOMES those things. Even in what YOU QUOTED, the verse NEVER SAYS "shall become"!
      Stop writing your fan-fiction about Albert, no one who was there believes you...
      Nothing is GIVEN to him except the throne of his father David. Jesus, after having already HUMBLED HIMSELF, is given these things BECAUSE HE FULFILLS PROPHECY!!!
      Get over it, Jesus is called Yahweh, and equated with him, MULTIPLE TIMES in Scripture. Stop lying to people, we all see the truth of Scripture.

    • @dazzadizzy5308
      @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому +2

      You puny human! YHWH is Mighty and YHWH is God yes and JESUS becomes a Mighty God from Isaiah's foretelling ,
      ISAIAH 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
      See the key word there pagan?! It's "SHALL" as in to be the future .
      YHWH is and always was MIGHTY , YHWH is the Most High God
      Speaking of Most High here's Luke 1:32 which Albert nearly went there then realised going toe to toe with me on scripture ends with me destroying him ! so...
      Luke 1:32
      He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
      It's The Most High God YHWH that makes Jesus into a Mighty God, Jesus isnt and never was YHWH

    • @RabbiMalahkYah
      @RabbiMalahkYah Місяць тому +1

      @dazzadizzy5308 no where in scripture does it ever say Most High God , the title is God Most High . Try to prove otherwise Mr contraian , that P was hilarious though , don't worry or maybe we should he's out on house arrest 😉

  • @VirtuousHeretic-mi8xt
    @VirtuousHeretic-mi8xt Місяць тому

    I have done a simple chart for simple triple people god pagans .
    GOD ALONE MOST HIGH -------->Begets the SON
    YHWH who is the FATHER ---------->Creates the UNIVERSE
    -------> the arrow here represents God's active force ,His holy spirit , it's GOD'S means of doing things .

    • @mleo2003
      @mleo2003 Місяць тому +1

      Nice try, running away from me calling out YOUR hypocrisy, and changing usernames...
      You still making up a chart does not help. Lots of false, made up charts online, and this one sucks in quality and content.

    • @dazzadizzy5308
      @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому

      @@mleo2003 That is because your a Satanist and truth is like sunlight to a vampire! 😊

    • @dazzadizzy5308
      @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому

      @@mleo2003 Truth hurts you pagans so much!

    • @mleo2003
      @mleo2003 Місяць тому +1

      @@dazzadizzy5308 Thanks for admitting you are hopping accounts to prop up your heretical views... idiot...

    • @dazzadizzy5308
      @dazzadizzy5308 Місяць тому +1

      @@mleo2003 No one cares @Mlie2003