“For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.” - 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
So great to hear! Check out this page to see if there are any Christians near you who believe similarly - www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/membership-map/
Very well explained. However, point 6 where the content creator claims that there is only one God needs clarification. The Bible teaches that there is only one ultimate God, the creator and originator of life (YHWH) but the term God is and can be applied to others. The term is applied to Moses; Hebrew Kings; Judges; angels - even the devil. Of course, nobody is suggesting that simply being called God equates them with YHWH, but it does show that there is more than oner God/god mentioned in the Bible. (1 Cor 8:5,6). It also means that even if Jesus is called 'God' ( and you will struggle to find verses that clearly and unambiguously do this ) it does not equate him with YHWH.
@@JacobSilverdal I believe in one God with no distinction of persons - but that leads me to understand that Yahweh of the Old Testament is Jesus of the New (see Isa 40:3 and John 8:58). What is the “Son of God” to you? A nice man? An Angel?
YHVH is 1 Lord. ......He is the God of Israel. He is the God of the man and Messiah Jesus. (John 20:17) Jesus called Him, Father. .....and so did the apostles, 1 Corinthians 8:6
@@itisfinished369 ....No one has seen God, John 1:18 Thomas replied, “My lord and my god!” ....would be the correct way to translate this into English as I see it. There are many gods, but only 1 Lord God, and His name is YHVH, The God of Israel. John 10:35
@@bosse641 i don't know what to tell you dude, except you ignore a huge body of writings on this, and UA-cam comments are not place to sit there and play devil's advocate.
Genesis 1 says, "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." Then in John 1 it says, "In the beginning the WORD was WITH God and the Word was God. EVERYTHING that was made was made by the word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father. So, one verse says God created, then then the other verse says the Word who was God the Son created. Then in Genesis it says, "Let US make man in OUR image." AND in Acts 5:3 it says, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit...You have not lied to men but to God.” Titus 2:13 says, "...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ..." In Hebrews 1:8 God says, "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;" This verse has God the Father calling the Son, GOD. So, in Scripture we clearly have the Father called God, the Son (Jesus) called God, and the Holy Spirit called God. And yet Isaiah 44:6 says, "“This is what the Lord says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: 'I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is NO God.'" The Bible emphatically says the Father is God, Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God and YET Isaiah says, there is ONE God. Contradiction? No. Solution: Trinity=one God, eternally existent in three persons.
The Bible does not emphatically say that Jesus is God. But I do agree with you that Acts 5:3 calls the Holy Spirit God, because the Holy Spirit is part of who God is. It is not a separate person from the Father. Titus 2:13 is a mistranslation which mistakenly follows the Granville-Sharp rule. There are some "Trinitarian" translations which do not follow this rule and thus do not call Jesus God in Titus 2:13. Hebrews 1:8 does not turn Jesus into God, or else it would turn the OT Israelite King into God as well, who the Psalm is originally about (Psa. 45:6). We know that this Psalm was not originally about Jesus because the King being celebrated had a wife (Psa. 45:9). So, either the Israelite King was God as well (because the same words were spoken to him) and Jesus is God, which would make 4 members of the Godhead, or Hebrews 1:8 isn't calling Jesus God. And as for Isaiah 44:6, who is the "me" in the phrase "apart from ME there is no God?" Do you believe that there are three persons speaking? Do you see how since Yahweh speaks with first person singular pronouns here, Yahweh is ONE person, not three. If God was comprised of three persons they absolutely should have used "there is no God apart from US."
thanks for the video. could you please make a new video about John 8:58 and John 1:1 in one video? I'm getting angry and frustrated at trinitarians that keep bringing up those verses and thinking that our God is truine. God bless you please let them to the truth❤❤❤
Yes, I know that can be monotonous. Hopefully these help, I made a video that pretty much centers on John 1:1 here - ua-cam.com/video/wdilSjUkk0A/v-deo.html And we have one on John 8:58 - ua-cam.com/video/ryHKLdl--Gc/v-deo.html
Yes, as a Muslim who studied Christianity, this video is considered heretical due to its theology which is against the church. And anyone who is not agreeing with the Creeds of Nicaea, is no longer a Christian. Kindly correct me if I'm wrong.
@@SyafiqHadziryes correct. To a christian this is herecy, and we absolutely believe the bible is the word of God, and the word of God says Jesus Christ is God
Excuse me? Matthew is like the main book to read before you can make an accusation like that! Go back to Matthew 28:19 and stop trying to cause believers to stumble and repent
Not for everyone. The trinitarians loved it cause it gave them a green light for mass executions and oppression. They miss the good old days and come to harass anyone who disagrees with them even now.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints know that God The Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Ghost are three separate beings, and teach such. They've published this in their Articles of Faith.
There are churches all across the world, check out this webpage - www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/membership-map/ Also, Christadelphians, Jehovah's witnesses, etc... not necessarily endorsing them, but they also don't believe in the Trinity
@@jadonconstantine4930 I know the Mormons believe that but I can’t go along with the Book of Mormon. I’m not knocking them but I believe that the Bible is the only word of God.
I would love to hear your explanation on Acts 7:56 where Steven says that he saw heaven opens and the SON of man standing at the right hand of GOD? How can one person stand on the right hand of himself?
Trinis believe - we will be brothers with Yahweh. - God is a mediator between himself and man. - that God has put everything under Gods feet except God himself who put everything under Gods feet. Then God himself will be made subject to himself so that God can be all in all. The Trinity is manmade nonsense. Avoid. Not ONE verse explains or preach the Trinity let alone any apostle.
well writen👍. unfortunately, there is a lot of other problems with Christianity. i would still say I'm Christian in some sense. but the unseal version of the religion including have church gathering usealy go. is like listening to someone for hours trying to sell me sand insisting its gold.
Go read the book of Hebrews. God refers to his son as God. "But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom” God appointed his son heir of all things and is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being. God calls all the angels to worship him. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirt are 3 roles of 1 being. It’s not idolatry because it’s the worship of one God. To deny Jesus is God is to deny salvation.
@@TFett007Where is triune/trinity in Bible.....bro do u know when the word and concept trinity came in existence.....in 300 AD. what about people before 300 AD...how can they explain existence of their GOD to others... Jewish people don't believe triune god. People of Israel are believing God from ages but they don't have a single word to explain his existence 👏👏 Trinity is man made fake theory which doesn't exist in bible... Jesus said father is greater than him.... In Trinity, every one must be equal....but hierarchical difference existed between them according to bible After end, jesus will subdue to father. 1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. Trinity-man made theory.
@@TFett007 It was from Psalm 45 ,102 by author of hebrews. God is not calling jesus as god 🤦♂️... Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Psalm 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
@@Joker-mr4sv Hi, I’m interested in talking to a fellow Unitarian. In your view, who exactly is the only true Lord and King of all in heaven and on earth? Can it only be applied to Jesus, or it can also be applied to God the Father as well? Thank you.
@@nataliuselyanto210here is my chat gpt response: Biblical Unitarians generally reject traditional views of heaven and hell as eternal destinations where souls immediately go after death. Instead, they believe these concepts are often misunderstood and influenced by pagan or non-biblical ideas. Here's a summary of their perspective: Heaven and Resurrection: Biblical Unitarians typically believe that heaven is not the ultimate destination for the righteous. Instead, they emphasize the biblical promise of resurrection and eternal life on a renewed Earth under God's Kingdom. They view the idea of going to heaven at death as a misinterpretation of Scripture. Hell: Biblical Unitarians generally reject the traditional concept of hell as a place of eternal torment. They may interpret "hell" (derived from terms like Sheol, Hades, or Gehenna in the Bible) as a metaphor for the grave, destruction, or a temporary place of judgment rather than an eternal fiery realm. Influence of Paganism: Many Biblical Unitarians argue that the traditional doctrines of heaven and hell have been influenced by Greek philosophy, pagan beliefs, and non-biblical traditions that crept into Christianity over time. They focus on a future resurrection at Christ's return, where the righteous will inherit eternal life, and the unrighteous will face annihilation or some form of ultimate judgment, rather than eternal torment.
SIMPLY AWESOME JONNY YOUR GIVING ANOTHER SUPERIOR METHOD TO DESTROY THE PAGAN TRINITY THEORY.. THKYU. VERY VERY CLEAR THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT.... again thkyu BLESSINGS See yuh in the purlly gates.brother.
I'm not sure what you mean because Yahweh is a plural noun, but is used constantly with singular pronouns and verbs. Thus, many scholars call it a plural of majesty. Collective nouns are in the singular, so they are different. And that would only apply to point #1 I made, what about the other 6 points?
The main problem unitarians have is this. The Old Testament insists that God alone is creator and savior, and that God alone is worthy of worship. And yet, the New Testament uses the same language to refer to Jesus Christ, and demands that we give him the highest form of honor and worship. Unitarians typically use the "agency" argument to explain this, but agency doesn't cut it, because at the end of the day, who do you serve, who do you worship -- God, or an agent of God? The sheer amount of Old Testament language used for and applied to Christ is overwhelming. If Jesus were just a man -- even a sinless, virgin born man and the greatest agent of God who ever lived -- he would still be a creature. And the gulf between God and creatures is infinite. So in the unitarian view, a mere creature is placed alongside God, even sits on the divine throne, who has all the glory, honor, and power that God has. This is impossible! If true, it would negate the entire Old Testament. So the only answer is the Scriptural one -- that Jesus Christ is "God manifest in the flesh" (I Timothy 3:16), "the Word made flesh" (John 1:1-18). He is worthy of all glory and honor and worship (Revelation 5) because he IS God (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8). I hope this comment helps those who are on the fence about this.
God is the saviour, the one who saves. Jesus is the lamb OF GOD who is the mediator BETWEEN God and men, and is the sprinkled blood which is the covering we come under. (you did know Jesus died at Passover?) God saves by provision. Jesus saves by BEING the provision of God. We SAVE OURSELVES by RESPONDING in FAITH to Gods provision of the covering blood OF the lamb of God. A man sends a paramedic to throw a rope down a well to a drowning boy. Who saved the boy? The sender, the paramedic, the rope, or the boy who grabbed the rope? They all did, but it was the man who sent, that initiated the whole salvation. You cant say the rope is therefore equal to the man. You cant say the man and the paramedic are therefore the same being. Do you see how your logic falls apart.?
@@ken440 You're mistaken. The problem with your logic is that the New Testament doesn't talk about Jesus in the way you are describing, as some sort of "good man" or "great prophet" who happens to die for our sins so that *God* (someone other than Jesus) can save us. As if (as in your analogy) Jesus is just a "useful tool" to get the job done. It uses language that indicates God HIMSELF is somehow doing the work. We are to worship the PERSON OF JESUS (see Revelation 5). The glory and honor due to God is due also to the Son (John 5:23). Can you imagine worshipping Moses, or King David, or Isaiah? If you can, then you've completely missed the point of the Old Testament. Likewise, if you think Jesus is just a mere man, you've missed the entire point of the New Testament. Jesus is Mediator between God and man precisely because he IS BOTH God and man. The Word, which was God, became flesh. This is such a basic, fundamental principle of the New Testament Scriptures and apostolic Christianity that it's hard for me to believe that anyone can miss it. If Jesus is not God, then you are an idolater, plain and simple.
@@wordwarrior1974 who said any "MERE" word? seems you added that to do some belittling. You will perhaps read what Gabriel told Mary. Was Adam a "mere" man?
@@wordwarrior1974 your wording ... "because he IS BOTH God and man." i see that nowhere written in scripture? A few times i find reference to God working THROUGH a man, and "manifesting" in the man Jesus anointed. I see where scripture says Jesus is a man PROVEN by God, with miracles and great signs done THROUGH him.... But that he is BOTH GOD AND MAN i cant find written in scripture. Only in your comment and in various sermon notes and commentaries. And check out Deut18:18 God speaking through Moses. "I will raise a GREAT PROPHET like Moses, from AMONG YOUR BROTHERS (i.e. a human Israelite)) and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth.: This speaks of the messiah. And what does Jesus repeat two or three times in John? "I say nothing of myself, but only what my God says through me." and I do nothing but only what I see my father do. and jn8:40 "why do you seek to kill me, a MAN who has told you what I heard from my GOD." !!
It is not God referring to himself, but God referring to his Divine Council as "us." What do you do with the thousands of singular verbs and pronouns used in reference to God? 1,000's of singular pronouns > 4 OT uses of "us"
@@biblicalunitarian "Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..." Following this logic, this would mean that humanity is also made in the image of the divine council. This doesn't track with the rest of scripture which singles out God as being the sole creator of not just man, but everything else, such as in Genesis 5:1-2. More evidence of this is seen in Genesis 11:7-8, where God switches from from plural to singular, further outlining that its God speaking to Himself and not the divine council. Genesis 11:7-8: Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. As trinitarians, we don't deny God referring to Himself in a singular form. It still matches with our doctrine. It's just that, unlike you, we don't deny that God ever referred to Himself in the plural form as you did in the video.
Following your logic we must be made in the image of a tri-personal God. Do you have three persons dwelling inside of you? I don't. So, I think to understand this to mean that we must be made in the image of a multi-personal God who is talking to himself, presents problems for both of us. How I understand it is that God is talking to his divine council, and then he goes ahead and makes mankind in his image. In the very next verse, in Gen. 1:27 it uses singular verbs to describe that God "made (3rd person singular)" mankind in his image, not in "their" image. Yes, but even in your example in Gen. 11:7-8 God uses the plural, but then only "Yahweh" (singular person) goes down and scatters (singular verb) them. It is not three persons who go down and scatter them. What happened to the Holy Spirit and Jesus, did they not follow through with their plans? Also, Jesus is said to be in "the image of God" (Col. 1:15) so how does that work in your view? Only creations are made in the "image of God", the Creator himself is not made in his own image. Do you see how confusing that gets? Ultimately, I appreciate your thorough investigation of all of this, and being willing to seek the truth, but I would suggest taking a step back and look at the ultimate argument you are making. You are saying that 4 occurrences of "us" prove a Tri-personal God (even though in the very same contexts singular pronouns/verbs are used of God) and then you must ignore the thousands of times in scripture in which God is defined as a singular "person". Either God is one "person" or multiple "persons" it can't be both. Thus, I'm going to side with the thousands of times that God is referred to as one "person."
@@biblicalunitarian On your first point, this would be true if trinitarians believed in three gods instead of one. We believe that God is three persons who share one divine nature, separating Him from everything else in existence, of which we believe in His image we are made from. Secondly, your understanding of the text has no bearing on what the text actually says. Had the text been referencing the divine council, then that would've made them co-creators with God and not creations themselves, which doesn't track with the rest of scripture, such as Isaiah 44:24: "This is what the Lord says-your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: 'I am the Lord, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself.'" Thirdly, again, this would be a good point if trinitarians believed in three gods instead of one, which is a misrepresentation of the trinitarian doctrine. Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always been with the Father, as seen in: John 1:1, 14: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. and Hebrews 9:14: "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!" Fourthly, if you keep reading after verse 15, you'll find that the text talks about how He is "before all things" and how all creation was made "through Him and for Him.", indicating that the term "image of God" means something different for Him when compared to it being used form humanity. Finally, if you're going to side with the thousands of times where God is mentioned as singular, then why not also pay attention to the times where Jesus is directly called as being God as well as what the early church believed: John 20: 27-28: Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Hebrews 1:8: But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom."
@@biblicalunitarian On your first point, this would be true if trinitarians believed in three gods instead of one. We believe that God is three persons sharing one divine nature, separating them from everything in existence. Secondly, how you understand the text has no bearing on what the text actually says. If it really was the divine council mentioned in the "us" and "our part of the verse, then that would make them co-creators alongside God, which doesn't track with the rest of scripture, such as Isaiah 44:24. Thirdly, again, this would be a good point if trinitarians believed in 3 gods instead of one. Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always been with the Father, as seen in John 1:1 and Hebrews 9:14, where Jesus (the Word) is said to being with God as well as being God from the beginning, and the Holy Spirit being eternal. Fourthly, if you keep reading after verse 15, you'll find that Jesus is said to being the vehicle through which everything was created, with verse 16 saying, "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth...", pointing to the term "image of God" being used differently when referring to Jesus compared to humanity, with humanity being "made" in the image of God, and Jesus "being" the image of God. Finally, if you're going to side with the thousands of other times God is mentioned as singular, why not also pay attention to the times Jesus is directly mentioned as being God, such as in John 1:1;14, John 20:28, Titus 2:13, Phillipians 2:5-6, and 2 Peter 1:1
@@---zc4qtdoes it say “I am a triune God” anywhere in those verses or are you just inserting it cause it’s what you want it to say? Let’s see. King James Version 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Hmmm. Nothing about I’m a trinity or triune God. Or that all three are God persons. Read it sometime. Might help you come to understand Jesus he said his father is the ONLY TRUE God. Not calling him a liar are you? John 17:1 KJV. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
absolutely correct. And it explains that Joseph was NOT pharaoh. And Joseph was not egyptian royal family. And Joseph was not even egyptian. blessings. Like me you see the foreshadow God provided.
In the name of (what these three represent) - the one God, and the one Lord, through the power of the one spirit. There's nothing in Matthew 28:19 that claims the one God is three persons.
This doesn’t say I am a triune God. Just list three. Believe Jesus or don’t. Between you and God. John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I guess we’re ignoring matthew 28:19-20 now. Sounds good, there is now no place where it says father son and Holy Spirit, really got us with this video. Checkmated us trinitarians.
Mentioning three things together doesn't turn them into one God. When the Bible says that God is the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, that doesn't turn those three into one person, rather it is simply mentioning three names. To take Matthew 28:19 as a definition for God but not 1 Cor. 8:6 "For us there is one God, the Father" is eisegesis.
@@biblicalunitarianThat’s funny, tell me who the father, son and holy spirit referred to are? Let’s also say before Abraham was, I am. John8:48-59. This implies Jesus is part of the god head because the Jews were gonna stone him for blaspheming. This is a direct statement saying Jesus is God, meaning that now there are two in the God head and the Holy Spirit with its capabilities is also part of the god head. Three distinct parts, one god. What denomination are you incidentally enough?
The Father is God (1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6), the Son of God is the man Jesus the Messiah (John 20:31; 1 Tim. 2:5; Acts 2:22), and the Holy Spirit is God's spirit, it is something God possesses (Acts 2:17; 1 Cor. 2:11) not a separate being and person from God. I am not going to spend all my time defending against verses you throw out. I have already kindly addressed verses you have thrown out, but you have not addressed anything I mentioned in the video. If Jesus has a God (John 20:17) and there is only one God (1 Cor. 8:6), how can he also be God? In Trinitarianism, God (Jesus) would have a God (the Father), that makes 2 gods in your view. That is completely non-scriptural.
@@biblicalunitariangonna use your own verse against you and when I get some more time I’ll respond to more of your verses. 1 Corinthians 8:6 “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” It says But one lord, Jesus Christ whom all things came, Jesus is directly called God and given an attribute only god has. This directly shows that Jesus is god. Jesus is called lord and god is also called lord. This shows they are one together. If you accept this verse but not Trinitarianism you worship two gods which is not biblical, there is one true God.
@@biblicalunitarian Alrighty, this is the second half of my rebuttal. For the record I will be using context before and after the verses mentioned as well as references other books and verses to clarify what you misunderstand. So first of all, "The father is God, (Ive responded to Cor 8:6), Ephesians 4:6 refers to "one lord, one faith, one baptism" however in other texts like Cor 8:6 Jesus is referred to as "Lord", Jesus is also referred to as "Lord" in; 1 Corinthians 12:3-6, where it says "3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work." This clearly shows that there is a plurality of God, and it says Jesus is Lord as well. Next point you made is "The Son of God is the man Jesus the Messiah" In John 20:28 it says "Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Jesus is directly called "My Lord and MY GOD" and he doesn't deny it but instead accepts the praise. You referred to (1 Tim. 2:5), so lets take a look. It says in (1 Tim. 2:3) This is good, and pleases God our Savior" In (1 John 4:14) it says "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." but why would Jesus be called "Saviour of the world" if God is also the saviour. Because they are one in the same. Acts 2:22 is the next verse you quoted, so lets look at what comes after it. In Acts 2:34-36 says "For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35 until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” ’ 36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” ". Jesus is quite clearly here called "Lord" and funnily enough, it says "The Lord said to my Lord" this implies two, but theres only one, again proves that Jesus and God are distinct but unified under one. Overall all of these examples show Jesus is at the same level as God and therefor is God because no one can be greater than God as said in (Palms 86:8). To respond to yet another one of your points, "Holy Spirit is God's spirit, it is something God possesses" you used (Acts 2:17) which says "‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." I dont see anything that says that it isn't separate from God, simply says "My spirit" which if we're going with Unitarianism, sure but if we go according to the trinity it fits, The Holy Spirit is God, therefore "My spirit". As for (1 Cor 2:11) its the same thing, according to the God head logic it fits perfectly fine, not an argument against it. Funny enough (Romans 8:1-17) talks about how the spirit is in Jesus its also referred to as "The spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9) which unifies the spirit with Jesus and since the spirit is God that means that Jesus is also God because its HIS spirit. (1 Peter 1:11) also says "Spirit of Christ" strengthening the Spirit being fully Christ and fully God as well as being with God and Jesus. All of the verses you've given to me are taken out of context and fit your arguments only when taken out of context. Ive responded to all of the verses you've thrown at me and ive given more to you so lets see what you have to say about what Ive already said and what Im about to say. (Rev 1:5) refers to Jesus as "The ruler of the kings of earth" which means hes above the level of human, hence God. (Rev 1:8) "I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev 21:6) "'It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End'" All of these show Jesus is God. Another for you to check out if those arent enough for you (Rev 1:18-20) More over (John 1:1) "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind." In (Col. 1:24-29) the word is being talked about then it says it talks about Christ or "Jesus" as its been previously stated in the Bible which just shows that Jesus is Christ. Anyway, when it refers to the word and Christ it says "To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." So Christ being in you isn't possible for a human and when its talking about the word that just shows that Christ (Jesus) and the word are the same and IN YOU only something "Gods Spirit" can do so logically speaking that now makes Jesus equal to the Spirit and we've determined the Spirit is God, therefore they are all the same but "The Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Deut. 6:4. If I misquoted anything or took anything out of context or misused God's word I pray that he may correct me and put it on my heart to correct my statements and references. I pray that you can see clearly and accept that the Bible teaches the trinity and not Unitarianism. God Bless my friend!
The Trinity is easy to debunk .. WHO (GAVE) Christ the Revelation ? REVELATION 1:1 (Berean Literal Bible) "The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants what things it behooves to take place in quickness. And He signified it through having sent His angel to His servant, John," REVELATION 1:1 (King James Bible) "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" ** GOD - (GAVE) the Revelation to Christ. 💣 - BOOM !! Bye Bye 👋 False Trinity doctrine !!
And that should be the "alpha and omega" (A to Z) of what you should need to say to stop the false trinity thing. But they dont do any research for themselves, so they dont cotton on.
@@ken440 Right, .. And if they did, they would see who the Al'pha and the O.me'ga is .. REVELATION 1:8 says .. "I am the Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH GOD, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty." ( Aramaic Bible in Plain English ) ANSWER: Jehovah is The Al'pha and the O.me'ga .
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Do you deny this passage?
Come on, do some homework, that one was written in the AD 1500s, (1500 years after John wrote that letter) which is why its no longer in any new versions of the bible. Its agreed among scholars that it is scribal meddling. John never said that. Catholics usually bring that one out, so if you are a roman catholic believer, then you can call me a heretic. If you arent then you are a fellow heretic with me.
Revelation 1:17-18 Isaiah 9:6 Jesus calls Himself "The First and The Last" in Revelation 1:17-19. That title is ONLY reserved for God, so that scripture alone should prove to anyone that Jesus is God within The Godhead. God The Father is God, God The Son Jesus Christ is God, and God The Holy Ghost is God. Also, look at Isaiah 9:6, it says a child is born unto us and He Name will be called, Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. There's no debate in any of this, but satan will continue to use his agents as vessels to attempt to twist The Word and promote false beliefs and deceptions to devour the flock. the spirit of the antichrist is working in many of these people that deny Jesus is God, but sometimes it's best to shake the dust off the backs of our sandals as a testimony against them and let the blind continue to lead the blind. Glory be to God The Father! Glory be to God The Son! Glory be to God The Holy Spirit! Forever! Amen!
@@YHWHsGangsterDisciple its full of debate my friend. you cant see it because just like during my 40 years as a trinitarian, i was told these rock solid proofs, but was never told the alternative meanings, the ones that fitted the local context. Is9:6 for e.g. Mighty God. hmmmm? what about the next two words.. " Everlasting Father?" how can you mix up the persons, Athenasious would be furious! Jesus is either the son or the father. you cant have both. That aside... "mighty God" in the original hebrew its "el gibbor" and king Nebachadnezzer is called "el gibbor" in an earlier bible book, and there its translated "mighty warrior." I would agree the returning Jesus the lion of Judah can be titled "mighty warrior" and "father of the age" (age, not modern concept of eternal) because it refers to the age to come, when Jesus returns and rules all from jerusalem.
@@ken440 well to be honest the difference here for me is that I don't go off of what man says or what a mortal someone has told me, I remove all of that from my mind completely and read The Word of God for myself, while I allow The Holy Spirit to read it to me and minister it to me simultaneously. My teacher is The Holy Spirit, not man, not a theologian, not a scribe, not a pastor, not an administrative educationalist, etc...My translator and teacher is The Holy Spirit. And to answer your questions, Jesus is all of the titles listed in Isaiah 9:6 plus some. Also, please take under consideration that not only does God call Jesus, "The Word", but God also says that "The Word" which is Jesus, is God, and then proceeds to say that all things were created through Him. Jesus is The Word, and The Word was with God from the beginning, and The Word is God, and all things were created through and by The Word, who is Jesus, who is God. So, since we know that Jesus is The Word, and we know that The Word is God, and we know that everything was created through Him as The Word, and we know that no one can be a creator except for God, then this in fact proves that Jesus is God. The Trinity is real and true. An easy example I always tell people to imagine is this: Suppose you work for a company that has 3 owners. They each have equal share and ownership of the company. But they each provide their control over 3 different functions withing the company to maintain the company as a whole. 1 owner is in charge of finances, I owner is in charge of logistics, and 1 owner is in charge of hiring and firing. They're all equal, but with different sectors, to control one company. If you walk in to owner 1's office, you'll call him boss. If you walk in owner 2's office, you'll also call him boss. If you walk in owner 3's office, you'll also call him boss. People have to have the ability to do their best to wrap their mind around the things that our human mind has trouble fathoming, that's where The Holy Spirit comes in. He will teach you all things. So please don't think that Jesus is just some might warrior, He's truly God. Maybe if people started to think of the term God as a term that sounds singular but is utilized as a plural "whole". Kind of like the term "company". You can think of company as a singular term, as in, 1 company, but when you inspect the word and understand that it can really be a plural due to many members making up 1 company you'll enter a new understanding... As in, the whole company attended the super (multiple members), instead of, that company is successful. (Spoken as a singular). Hopefully this helps you or hopefully are least anyone out there possibly reading this. 1 GOD, 3 Members, all equal ownership, different functions working together as a whole. I can go on forever, but I'll conclude with this, also I encourage anyone to watch any of my sermons and teachings, I'm a bit rough I know, and I'm super blunt, but I'm trying to get people saved and there's limited time, so excuse me if I dislocate your shoulder because I'm trying to pull you out of a vehicle that's about to explode, I'd rather put you in shock to save your life instead of wasting time being delicate that could cost you your life. Your shoulder will be bruised but it will heal, but hey atleast you're alive, figuratively speaking of course...
Excellent points! That the word “God” never once means a tripersonal being anywhere in Scripture (and yet thousands upon thousands of times clearly means the Father) should cause all T’s to pause with their dogmatic anathemas, but…here we are. Apparently you can’t be a Christian unless you believe a false view of God and His Christ. Ridiculous, but it really is the theological state of affairs we find ourselves in. I cringe because I used to condemn others when I was Trinitarian, but now it’s painfully obvious that “Orthodoxy” breaks the clear commands of Yahweh (the Shema and others) and teachings of Jesus to uphold their manmade traditions.
I have a question about the Greek grammar and the punctuation of Philippians 2:7. Since there were no punctuations in the Greek manuscripts, is it possible that Paul's first thought in verse 6 and 7 ends at the form of a servant and a new sentence and thought would start at "being made in the likeness of men..."? Verse 8 starts with the word "And" which continues the thought from the end of verse 7. So is it more plausible that Paul would start a new sentence with "and" or that "and" is a continuation from the sentence starting in verse 7 at "being made"?
Great question. It is not crystal clear. However, my tendency would be to understand the "kai" "and" to be starting a new sentence, not just a continuation of verse 7. The reason being is that in Greek, they wouldn't really do what we do sometimes in English with lists. In English we often will say, "X, Y, and Z" but in Greek they would typically only say, "X, Y, Z" or "X, and Y, and Z." They wouldn't just put the "and" for the last phrase in the list. So, Phil. 2:7 has, "participial phrase, participial phrase, AND participial phrase." My tendency would be to say that the AND starts a new thought.
According to Jesus, in John a few chapters earlier, he explained when you see him you see the one who sent him. As the Apostle Paul wrote “God was in Christ.”
No, three verses later the writer stated he wrote this gospel to show that Jesus is the Christ. The Son of God. Thomas recognized Jesus as his Lord and the Father as his God that raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus said “I have been given all authority in heaven and Earth” he also said the Father has given all judgement to the Son for the father judges no man. Only God can judge therefore Jesus is God. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God and he is The Word made flesh and it is clear “the Word was God” and without him there was nothing made that was made. Jesus is the temple of The Father (mind) The Son (flesh) and The Holy Spirit (soul/spirit). One God, one Man, one spirit all in the person of Jesus of Nazareth who is the Christ and firstborn.
@@jaxfax220 O my God, you are so deluded. The Fact the Father had to give the Son anything shows the Son isn't God. God can give the ability to judge to whoever he wants. Everything Jesus has was given to him by the Father. God doesn't need to be given anything. Jesus is a man. God is not a man. God is a spirit. Jesus said he was not a spirit even after he was resurrected. Jesus has a God even after his resurrection. Ephesians 1:3 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ".
@@jaxfax220 Firstborn of the dead. Firstborn of the new creation. Born, died, these are things the immortal LORD God does not do. Jesus is God’s only created by the seed of the woman (begotten) son. Jesus is our elder brother, his God is our God, his Father is our Father. John 20.
@@biblicalunitarian Jesus Christ is God the father in the flesh , and he was always giving glory to his spirit , because what did Christ Jesus claim before Abraham was born I Am, and that’s Jehovahs name so do the math 🧮
@@spiritualwarriormagestry4203 I was raised a Modalist, remember that religion is only 150 years old and... Upon several years of research I realized Biblical Unitarianism, is as old as the Bible. 🤗
Oh my, this comment section really is something else, they believe Paul was a false apostle, Unitarians, what’s next your gonna tell me Muhammad was a great guy? Or that everyone goes to heaven? Geez, it’s not like we baptize people in the name of the father, son, Holy Spirit. Or that the WORD, is God, and was with God since the beginning. The research people claim to do is so one sided, there is not a single verse in the Bible that points to Jesus not being God, there are plenty that do point to that. Return to the Catholic Church, you will learn the truth, God is 1 in 3 Do you guys ever read about church fathers? Do you guys know anything other than sacred scriptures? St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Justin Martyr both expressed ideas of the trinity The only reason it wasn’t mainstream until 400 AD is because we didn’t have a council to express the idea This is one of the worst heresies, even so far as to say none of the Unitarians are saved If Paul were alive today, he would run you guys over like Jesus did to the Jews We see the triune God in the Old Testament Read proverbs 30 Or genesis 1:26 “let US make man in OUR likeness according to OUR image” even the original Hebrew agrees Isaiah 6:3 “And they were calling to one another,. ‘holy, holy, holy, is the lord the almighty, the whole earth is of his glory” threefold repetition, 3 is always seen as a number of God because he is 3, not 3 gods, but 3 essences in one God. Isaiah 48:16-Come near to me, listen to this: 'From the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time it came to be, I have been there.' And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit." In this verse, there is mention of the Lord God, the speaker (often interpreted as the Messiah), and His Spirit. this is an implicit reference to the Trinity You believe in false teachers, but not the teachers who have been ordained through a line leading back to ST. Peter! You have no follow of sacred tradition, the LORD our God has gifted many Christian’s with discernment, and seeing some of you guys not see the false teachings people have made is depressing, repent to the Lord our God, Have any of you read the gospel according to John? The most heavily researched, most evidence packed, most revealing gospel?? John 1:1 John 14:16-17, 26 1 Peter 1:2 Collisians 2:9 Revelation 1:4-5 Revelation 5:6-7 Lies and deceit is all you will learn from human lips, but from the mouth of God you will learn all, return to the Catholic Church, for the day of judgement will come any day, for nobody knows the hour, but for all we know it could be tomorrow
I agree with you that God is one God and 3 persons, The Word proves that countless amounts of times, and anyone that teaches against The Trinity is a liar and a false teacher that's led by the spirit of the antichrist. But I also must say that I disagree with you about the Catholic church. Catholicism is full of idolatry, graven images, false worship, and blasphemy, therefore, catholisim is demonic and also led by the spirit of the antichrist. God doesn't want anyone giving ANY glory or forms of glory to Mary, the saints, or angels. Praying to mary or saints or angels is a lie from the pits of hell. So, please, turn away from catholisim and begin to worship God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Ghost in Spirit and truth. Catholicism is rooted in Roman paganism and absolutely man made traditions. The consecration of the eucharist and transubstantiaton is completely blasphemous. the pope calling himself head of the church is blasphemous. Catholicism is a demonic false religion that glorifies satan and it turns people away from God Most High. Again, do not pray to Mary, do not pray to angels, and do not pray to saints, you're glorifying satan when you do that because you're supposed to pray to God in Jesus's Holy Name by The Power of The Holy Spirit. Catholicism is satanism. Catholicism puts Catholic traditions on the same level as Scripture which is an abomination. The Word of God proves this numerous amounts of times. Please seek the real truth and get deliverance. Every time you say hale Mary you're worshipping satan whether you realize it or not. Please stop, it's not too late.
@@megamix7510The Trinity is The Truth, 1 GOD in 3 persons, The Word proves this many times, but catholicism is a false religion that's rooted in Roman paganism and it gives God's due Glory to Mary, angels, and saints. God hates that and wants to spew it up like vomit. We're supposed to worship God in Spirit and truth, we're not suppose to pray to Mary or angels or saints, it's wrong and idolatry. Catholicism is just as led by the spirit of the antichrist like this guy in this video is that speaks against The Trinity. Glory be to God Most High in The Name of Jesus The Christ, by The Power of The Holy Spirit!!! Forever and ever! AMEN!!!
@@davethesid8960The Trinity is Truth! 1 GOD, 3 Persons! The scriptures prove this. But catholisim is demonic and full of blasphemous acts of idolatry, graven images, and false worship. Please do not support catholisim, it hurts God's feelings and makes Him want to vomit. He's a jealous God, and anyone that thinks it's ok to pray to Mary or pray to angels, or pray to saints is ABSOLUTLEY wrong and they're giving satan glory. The pope is an abomination and he seeks his own glory on his demonic throne. Please know the truth.
@@megamix7510 Roman Catholicism is a man made religion that serves traditions and rituals instead of God, in ancient times Constantine wanted to blend multiple territories to gain further control and increase his false power, so he blended paganism with catholisim and created this abomination that many serve today. Catholisim is a spin off of paganism with their idol worship, rituals, signifying a "queen of heaven"... graven images, their ritualistic attire and dress... the cross and crucifix is a pagan symbol used to worship their sun god. the symbol is a graven image and it was already being used in ancient times before Jesus was born. Catholics pray to the dead, that's paganism, the glorifying of a queen of heaven, that's paganism, their symbols of crosses, pine cones, the pope seated on a throne, that's paganism...it's all false worship and demonic. Christmas(Christ mass) is paganism, just like most other holidays... Especially easter... satan has figured out how to take God's Truth and twist it up so much to keep people deceived and it's heart breaking. It's difficult to say every detail that I want to over this text because I explain much better with my voice, but I'm pretty sure I've gotten atleast a good fraction of information across.
Spiritual gold man, the word of God would make alot more sense to people if this man made doctrine (the trinity) was exposed and done away with. Great sharing man!
I wonder if the uploader could comment if I am close to the mark on John 1:1 in that I think Jesus is the living word and because Jesus was a representative for God and declared God that THAT'S why "God was the Word" because Jesus spoke of God for God. ?
Yes, I do think one of the reasons John uses "Word" to describe Jesus, is because he expresses God (John 1:18). I personally think "God was the Word" would be a bad translation for reasons I've pointed out in other videos.
We love you even though you persecute us and act derogatory towards us. Last year I had a lot of time on my hands and was able to study the trinity. I prayed earnestly and fervently to God to guide my steps and open my eyes to the truth. I looked at the verses, compared interpretations, and even looked at it from an outside perspective, ie. what's more likely the case? Overwhelmingly, there was next to nothing in favour of the trinity. A lot of trinitarian 'gotchya' passages are just grossly misinterpreted. Ironing out the trinity passages, there was nothing left. I became a Biblical Unitarian not because of the obvious Unitarian passages and the incredible mental gymnastics of the trinity, but because these trinitarian passages... didn't teach a trinity. John 1:1.... definitely not a passage the Unitarians shout upon the roof tops, but when you read the start of Mark and Luke, and Johns epistles, it becomes clear how unlikely, irresponsible and absurd the trinity interpretation is of John 1:1. Same with John 8:58. I don't go to these passages and say 'actually it teaches Unitarianism', I go o these passages and say 'actually that's not what it says'. By the end of it, this doctrine of the trinity had no legs to stand on. In fact, the biggest trinitarian pillars weren't... actually... trinitarian. There left but one option left... Jesus was the Son of God, and God was the Father, no secret meaning. The trinity is not parsimonious. The trinity is not easy understanding. The trinity is unnatural to the human mind. The trinity is not rational, logical, or probable. The trinity takes philosophical training to begin to comprehend it. Biblical Unitarianism draws the line with God the Father, and Jesus the Son. Judaism vehemently rejects the idea of a triune god. If you don't agree with us, then pray for us. Pray for yourself, and analyse the two side by side, verse by verse, argument by argument.
@@JoshuaMadsen , there are too many of them, but among the issues are his questionable, confusing teachings, that lead to problems in Christianity as a whole.
“Let them know that you alone, whose name is Adonai, are the Most High over all the earth.” Tehillim (Psa) 83:19 CJB. “The earth’s kings are taking positions, leaders conspiring together, against Adonai and his anointed.” Tehillim (Psa) 2:2 CJB ““‘You are Adonai, you alone. You made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their array, the earth and all the things that are in it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve them all. The army of heaven worships you.” Nechemyah (Neh) 9:6 CJB
@@luguetm4864 are you forgetting about what it talks about in the book of Romans were the partial Harding happened to Israel? They’ve been blinded to the truth.
@@Mike-bc2wq they were blinded to the truth regarding Jesus being the Mashiah not to the truth about who is God. You cannot contradict Jesus when he said Jews know who they adore. Either Jesus said the truth or he lied.
@@Mike-bc2wq You cannot be God and the son of God at the same time. Son means Son. Why is Jesus the Son ? Acts 13:33 ...as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee Jesus was begotten, which is brought into existence by the Father, that the reason He is the Son Of God as testified by scriptures. You, trinitarians, interpret this begetting as a so-called eternally begotten. This is a non sens language not found in the Bible. Two opposite words put together to fill in the gap in your theology. If you're begotten you are not eternal and vice versa. Also you are just ignoring the fact that Mashiah means anointed. God did not anoint Himself. Trying to correct Jesus own words on Jews regarding the knowledge of the Tru God is really what you are doing. Jews know the one true God better any Christian. BUT They didn't RECOGNISE Jesus as The Mashiah of God. That all.
@@luguetm4864 you’re kind of an arrogant individual to think that you can figure out God that’s arrogance am not gonna worship God that I can know everything about because that’s what makes him God because he knows more than I do and you put together so quit being so arrogant you think you have all the answers but you know nothing nothing put in a little box that’s all you’re doing he can’t do this. He can’t do that. You can’t be gone in the sun at the same time you don’t understand it. The reason you don’t understand it is cause you don’t have the Holy Spirit help you see things in a spiritual light, get on your knees ask God to forgive you repent to your sins your arrogance and He will enlighten you answer me this who is the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament? Who is it come on, buddy answer.
Unless you believe that God, the Lamb, and the river of the water of life are all the same person in Rev 22.1, it is misleading, if not altogether inaccurate, to claim that "every time a throne is pictured throughout the Bible, there's one person seated at the throne." We also shouldn't dismiss that the Lamb is seated at the center of the throne in Rev. 7.17, in addition to the references to Jesus being at the right hand of God.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." I think its splitting hairs about the specifics of the trinity but I'm most alarmed at is 5:40 you say Jesus doesn't believe he is God. and 6:45 when you say the new testament authors don't think Jesus is God. I apologize but you are incredibly off base and incorrect. Spreading false information is dangerous to those seeking the truth and should be taken down. John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Jesus calls himself "I am" which is how God referred to himself when speaking to Moses in Exodus 3:14 John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God." John proclaimed Jesus to be God... John 20:27 "Then [Jesus] said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Thomas proclaimed Jesus to be God... 2 Peter 1:1 "To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with outs by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." Peter proclaimed Jesus to be God...
When God spoke to Moses from the angel in the burning bush He said "ego eimi ho on." which is "I am the everlasting God." So only in english does this I AM nonsense work sort of. The actual name God used in the bush was "on" not "ego eimi." So though you have been told that "I am" is a sacred name of God, it is a tradition of church, not the scriptural truth. Simple check up on the language it was translated from shows the truth. It has nothing to do with previous existence.
A corrupted verse that is not in the original text. Everyone knows but you. Go do some research and teach what the Bible actually says. Not what yall have attempted to make it say by altering the word of God. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma#:~:text=It%20may%20first%20be%20noted,additions%20to%20the%20original%20text. Still relying on lies to tell what you claim is the truth.
@@Mr.ICE-BEAR I can see you chose not the acknowledge that verse as truth. For the sake of argument let’s remove 1 John 5:7-8 from the equation. There are still plenty of verses referring to the Holy Spirit and Jesus as God. Are you saying you do not believe Jesus is Lord or what dont you agree with exactly?
@@biblicalunitarian so in your view (please correct me if I’m mistaken) the father is God and the Holy Spirit is the same thing as the father it’s just describing his spirit and Jesus is just a man.
@@air544 Essentially yes. But Trinitarians (I'm not sure if you're Trinitarian) have a habit of just calling the Jesus of Unitarianism a mere man. Yes, he is a human by nature, but I don't know one Unitarian who thinks of him in a "mere" way. He was born of a virgin, sinless, empowered by God (specially), resurrected, and sits at the right hand of God given ALL authority on heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18), and is our Lord. I certainly wouldn't call him "just a man."
@@biblicalunitarian yes I am a trinitarian I am very curious about different denominations of Christianity I try to learn in a respectful way and try to disagree in such manner.
Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons of God, Romans 8:29 He is my elder brother, a human like us all, he without sin. And his God and Father is my God and Father, amazing grace. John 20:17
Interesting. These are the same usual objections brought up that seem to ignore the preponderance of evidence for the Trinity in the Bible. These have all been answered extremely thoroughly not just now, but throughout the centuries. I’m all for the search, but I think you have to be honest with what’s actually there in the Bible and not just ignore all of the evidence that the Bible makes clear about the Trinity. Much respect to your reverence for the Word of God and how you seemingly hold it as your authority. I would say to not let your presuppositions rule over what’s actually right in front of you. God bless you man, and I mean that in all sincerity 🙏🏾
Although it should be noted that Jesus said many times that he came forth from the father. And he is the image of the invisible God. He is most definitely set apart and distinguished and unique like Adam.
The Father is God. Jesus, the Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. God is one. I say, amen, Lord. Man has no right to contradict the way God make Himself known in the Bible. God is Spirit. God is Eternal. God's Way is not human's way. God is the Creator. God is Holy. Man is a finite, created being who is sinful in his ways in this material created world. There's no way man could cage the Holy God with words and ideas like *Unitary* or *Trinity* ; just so he could make sense in his head the divine Godhead with his natural experience. God is simply God the way He says so in His Word. Humans can't limit His ways! Humans can't contradict God!
I like how you said this. I feel this is accurate because God is the head, the word being Jesus also came from God, and through Jesus's death, the holy Spirit was provided. Plus Jesus spoke both as the son as well as God. I call it the Trinity but I still see the head as the head.
@@Kofever_productions why complicates things? go straight to the source - god. why must you divide his divinity and worship a fragment of his divinity? god is god
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This is heresy. He is one being and three entities in the trinity. To believe this is to believe that God was not in heaven as Jesus was on earth. To believe this is to believe all of Jesus’s prayers were to nobody. Again this is heresy and pulling people from the one true God in the trinity. We’re all sinners, and we must all repent.. please take this video down and study true Christianity
he either did this for views, or he genuinely is lost. either way, he will need to repent. he needs to keep in mind that charlatans will be judged more severely in the next life.
God speaks always through his martyrs . In orthodoxy, people who believed in Trinity , became Holy and Saints and gained Holy “gifts” by God. Some of them gained the gift of healing, others the gift of prophecy and more …. Only Orthodoxy counts thousands of Saints who can help people with any biological needs, heal them from incurable diseases and lead them to theosis . Only saints can extract myrrh from their body/bones and they earned it by believing in Trinity. Great example is Saint Dimitrios who extracts myrrh every year in great amounts . Uncountable people got healed by this myrrh because they also believed in Trinity. That’s how God explains That’s how God teach us . We can’t understand the real meanings of New or Old Testament if the Holy Spirit isn’t present John 14:26
Respectfully, None of what you stated makes the Trinity true. God works despite human weakness. Trinitarians have also done some horrible things like murdering those who disagree with them and burning books, does that make the Trinity false? No, I think there are other reasons why it is false. I hope you are able to distinguish between good and bad reasons for believing something.
Nobody can reach God unless they do it through Jesus (John 14:6) . This is the first chain of the Trinity . The Holy Spirit is a gift of God. As soon as God gives us such a gift we cannot deny it because it would be a blasphemy (Mark 3:28) . Holy Spirit has a great importance in the Old and New Testament. We can see that Holy Spirit is the third Person/Chain of the Trinity at the moment of Christ’s’ baptism (Matthew 3:11-17) That simple The truth is that Trinity gives life , speaks straight in our souls. By denying the healing effects of saints who became vessel of the Holy Spirit and accusing others for facts that aren’t historically approved, doesn’t make people stand in the “right side of the story “ Anyone who decides to reach God , can reach Him only through Jesus by the narrow street (Matthew 7:13-14) The hardest way to reach God is through Orthodoxy and only by humiliating ourselves (Louk 18:9-14) There is no other way
Yeah buddy, you win the jackpot after 6000 years. You’re the first person to come up with this. He’s not a Trinity please. you need to do some more digging in your Bible like early believers did
If God isn't a liar and HE tells us plainly He will share His glory with no other... then what is HE doing sharing His glory with Jesus..unless Jesus is in fact God?Isaiah 42:8 KJV - I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Hebrews 1:6 KJV - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
@@ant4186 that makes for at least TWO GODS or Two Persons of God as The Father has His "Own Self". And look how The Father doesn't say "my Angels".... but "Angels of God" The Father is showing us there is more to God than just Himself--> Hebrews 1:6 KJV - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
@@ant4186 one Holy God....the Father speaksc of The..... SONS..... THRONE in HEAVEN... --> Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. The Father speaks of THE ....SONS..... KINGDOM OF HEAVEN...."THY KINGDOM".......-->Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@ant4186 since ONLY God is Holy... Holy can one blaspheme the Holy Spirit and say HE is not God? David calls The Holy Spirit "The God of Israel" that .."HE" spoke thru him. 2 SAM 23: 2The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. 3The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
0:02 yeah the God of the Bible is the God of Islam. - O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book. - O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you… - O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]? (Qur’aan)
God is singular; but consists of three essences. God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three were present at Creation and were in perfect communion long before our universe was created.
Doesn’t say that anywhere it the Bible. Eisegesis is the process of interpreting a text by introducing one's own ideas, biases, or agendas. It's also known as reading into the text. The word comes from the Greek words eis meaning "into" and exegesis.
Is to not you who has come to attack those here. They didn’t go attack you. So I see hate and anger fills your heart. Repent. You are wolves in sheep’s clothing looking to attack others.
Consider how a human can be one entity yet consist of three distinct aspects: the soul, mind, and body-three essential elements that define our existence. God created us in His image, for He too embodies three distinct characteristics. May God guide you on your journey to understanding this profound mystery.
@@christopherfaustino8318 There are multiple verses where God uses a plural form, so for unitarians, it doesn't work. However, for trinitarism, both work because God is united and triune, I'd love to debate some time ❤
🧿 The word Elohim is used thousands of times for “God”; Adonai is used hundreds of times for “Lord”; both of these words are plural nouns in Hebrew. 🧿 A number of passages speak of the “faces” or “presences” or “persons” of God (Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 4:37; and Job 13:8). 🧿 God refers to Himself as “Us,” “Our,” and “We” (Genesis 1:26, 2:18 (LXX), 3:22, 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, and 41:21-24),2 a phenomenon that is reflected in virtually every English translation. 🧿 The OT says of God, “they caused me to wander” (Genesis 20:13), “they appeared” (Genesis 35:7), “they drew nigh” (Deuteronomy 4:7), “they went” (2 Samuel 7:23), and “they judge” (Psalm 58:11). 🧿 The OT calls God our “Creators” (Ecclesiastes 12:1), “Makers” and “Husbands” (Job 35:10; Psalm 149:2; Isaiah 54:5). 🧿 The OT says that God is “holy” (Joshua 24:19; Proverbs 9:10, 30:33), another plural.
These are just from the Old Testament. If you want more of these, ask. I've organised them neatly so that you can get the point easily and also memorise it easily, but remember, you'll need something like Biblehub to not miss the plural nouns etc. “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen." - 2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV) Oops, I just *unknowingly* proved the Trinity by invoking (i.e., praying to) the trinity. The Bible's truly miraculous. Glory to the Father, Son, Holy Spirit!!!
After all those years of research and prayer you still went with your feelings, instead of the word of God. Genesis 1:26 ESV - Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Replacing words in the bible with the word trinity, proves nothing. However, it does show your ignorance of language functions and syntax. I mean I can do the same thing with the word God. John 1:1 - In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the Word was God. See what that becomes? Ridiculous argument. Also, we know that God is a spirit. John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” We also know that there is The Holy Spirit. Matthew 12:32 ESV - And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. So if God is a spirit, how can God have a spirit? Using your replacement tactic, anytime we read in the bible "the spirit of God", acording to your logic we should be reading the spirit of the spirit, and that to you makes a lot more sense, than acknowledging God, and The Holy Spirit as two persons in one God. Matthew 3:16-17 ESV - And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” The two verses right above, clearly say The Holy Spirit descended like a dove and rested on Lord Jesus, while a voice from heaven said "this is my beloved Son..." Obviously that was The Father, because the voice calls Lord Jesus, its Son. According to your logic, - that God is not triune - God descended from heaven in the form of a dove, and rested on Lord Jesus, but left His voice in heaven so He can speak from above. If that is the case, then I must ask: Is The Father knowledgeable enough to take the shape of a dove but not knowledgeable enough to also talk through the bird? Demons can posses a body, and speak through the same body. Are you saying The Father is incapable of possessing a body and speak through that body? If you are not saying that The Father is incapable of such acts, then please explain why The Father descended in the form of a dove without His voice. Also, why would Lord Jesus say to make desciples and to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Why not in the name of God? Matthew 28:18-20 ESV - And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” The kind of approach you and other "Christians" are taking, is the same approach the religious Jews, aka the Pharisees, took 2000 years ago, and missed The Messiah because they were wanting so much to be right, and everyone else to be wrong.
I did not go with my feelings, were any of my points based off of feelings? All of them were based on scripture. I'm not replacing words in the Bible, I'm replacing the word "God" with the word "Trinity" because that is the Trinitarian definition of God. This is how definitions work, you can replace a word with its definition. For example with the word "jump" which means to "push oneself off of a surface" I can replace the word with its definition. In the sentence, "Michael jumped over the puddle" I can replace with, "Michael pushed himself off of a surface over the puddle." But if you cannot replace a word with it's definition, you might have the wrong definition.
@@biblicalunitarianYou are being very dishonest. The trinitarian definition of God is not trinity. Trinity is a doctrine, not a definition. You saying that the word trinity is a definition, does not make it so. So if you want to continue deceiving yourself and others, keep thinking and keep teaching others that the word trinity is a definition. However, if you want to be sincere, but still want to continue your replacement tactic, the you can use Triune God for each of your replacements in the video. Don't pose on the internet as a Christian, if you're going to use deception to prove yourself right. Like the rest of us, you will be held accountable for your actions and words. Think deeply about that moment, and then think deeply how you are edifying the body of Christ, or rather how you are destroying it, with this false teaching which you accepted from other false teachers, and you are now regurgitating it. I am not trying to be mean to you, to tear you down, or to hate on you. On the contrary, I am harsh with you, because you are teaching a false teaching, and you are leading many astray, and that causes a lot of hurt and division in the body of Christ, and my hope is to use my words to shake you and wake you up.
@@Xhopp3r : LOL ! 'Us' doesn't mean one. It suggests more than one. That is why standard commentaries note that God is addressing others such as the Sons of God or his only-begotten Son. It does not imply a compound unity. Genesis is part of the Jewish scriptures and the Jews understand God to be a singular being, not a triune one, hence the thousands of singular peronal pronouns and verbs.
Jesus absolutely calls himself God. That's why they crucified him for blasphemy. It why he accepts worship, while angels reject worship since they are not God. John 1.1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." If Jesus Christ was God from the beginning, but was also with God, there must be a plurality of persons - how else can you be with someone you also are? Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness"; John 1.3 "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being" - while God was creating, he said "let US, in OUR image, to OUR likeness", and Jesus was present for that conversation since all things came into being through Him - it was he, and the Spirit of God (who was brooding over the waters) whom the Father was addressing.
@@xaelath7771 If he claimed this, jews would stone him. Romans didn't care about some lunatic saying he is god. Crucifiction is a punishment given to crimes against the state, such as claiming to be king of the jews.
"Is it not written that you are gods? Why then do you stone me because I say I AM THE SON OF GOD?" Dear brother, Jesus did not admit to being God. He admitted to being the Son of God. The Jews, are the ones who misunderstood Jesus, which is exactly what you are doing too.
@@xaelath7771 and Jesus called himself a "son of man." implying he is that promised descendant of Eve, who was told a seed from her would bruise the serpents head. Which in other words destroy the "works" (the head dreams up evil works) of the devil. (gen3:15. "the seed of the woman will bruise the head of the serpent.... a promise that one of Eves offspring would be the messiah.... anointed one) Eve being the flower from which mankind has sprung (after its kind).
@@johncena12366 The Jews attempted to stone Jesus multiple times, but each time he managed to escape, because it was not yet his time. So your claim actually strengthens my case. The Jews pressured Pilate into executing Jesus by calling him an enemy of Ceasar, but the reason they finally handed him over to the Romans is because, during his trial before the Sanhedrin, he claimed to be God. Then the high priest tore his clothes and said "What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?"
Just some food for thought. Written about 700-900 years prior to the existence of Jesus “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?” Proverbs 30:4 KJV Did God just attach Godly attributes to another being, and did he said it was his Son? “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6 KJV Did God say in a future event, a child will be born whom will be called "the mighty God"?
Nope, read Proverbs 30:4 carefully. "His name" refers to God who was just described (i.e. God), and "his son's name" refers to another being (likely Israel) who is not God. In the Old Testament, the Lord brought Israel into existence and named his firstborn (cf. Exod. 4:22; Deut. 14:1; 32:5-6, 18-19; Isa. 43:6; 45:11; 63:16; 64:8; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:20; Hos. 11:1). Proverbs 30:4 does not list any attributes of the son, but the attributes of God who has a son. And no, Isaiah 9:6 is not calling the future child, "the Mighty God", it is a theophoric name, a name that describes God, not the child, just as 80% of Hebrew names were. Elijah - my God is Yahweh, Joshua - Yahweh is salvation, etc. See here for more info. - www.revisedenglishversion.com/comm/Isa/9/6
@@biblicalunitarian “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.” Isaiah 53:3, 5-6, 9, 12 KJV The bible very clearly uses "He" a lot, singular, not a nation like Israel. It literally says he was burried with 2, a wicked and a poor person, who did Jesus get burried next to. You can try to run from truth all you want, I really don't see why you'd avoid it but hey, no point in debate brother. "For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them" Matt 13:17
Founded by a pagan emperor evolved over years and years. One scripture that teaches a triune God? A scripture were Jesus or the apostles taught a Trinity?
@@1trueGodtheFather I watched many scholarship videos my conslusion is Jesus didn't claim to be God. But there is something called progressive revelation. God has revelaed truths to church over time. It is a biblical view also. Here Jesus says "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." If you are right and trinity is false then you must accept Holy spirit didn't guide the church because trinity is the mainstream orthodox belief since the 4th century.
Says who? Use common sense man, How can a person be 3 persons. The Trinity is heretical and unscriptural. It also defies common sense. Not to mention logic dictates there are 2 entities and God's spirit, which isn't a person per se. It makes perfect logical sense that God is senior, Jesus is subordinate and the spirit is the vessel the almighty uses to interact with the mortal realm. .
I have been enjoying your podcasts , me and another brother have been studying this for over a year now, and we believe in Jesus being the son. But it seems you are missing the whole reason why we need to believe Jesus is the son, please teach on 1 John chapter 4&5 it warns that if we don’t believe the record that God have his only begotten son then we call God a liar. I no now you don’t want to go there but Paul warns that if we preach any other Gospel then it is cursed / double cursed. Plus there is a special reason that Jesus had to shed his blood and why it had to be blood from a man not God,one man sin entered the world and one man Rom 5:12-21. Please discuss why it had to be blood from a man and discuss why believing in the Trinity is calling God a liar.
Thanks! Not really exactly sure about your question, but Hebrews 2:17 says that Jesus had to be like us in every respect...in order to atone for sins. So, his "being human" is absolutely essential to him atoning for our sins. But there is no verse which speaks to his "diety" being necessary to atone for sins. That is a completely foreign concept to the scriptures.
There have been theological arguments for the Trinity since at least 100 AD. This means that Christians were mistaken about their dogma for thousands of years and you just happened to figure out the one thing that theological geniuses like Augustin and Aquinas overlooked or, simply put, your argument is flawed.
@@ken440 I didn’t say that. The OP claims to have “researched and prayed” to discover a major tenet of Christianity is false. This implies the OP knows scripture better than theologians like Augustine. That’s a pretty bold claim in my book.
@@wserthmar8908 OP’s claim wasn’t that the dogma of Trinity has changed from Ancient times. OP’s position is there is no Trinity. This means every major theologian (including the ones who heard the Apostles preach) were wrong on this point and somehow, the OP figured it out. That’s a pretty incredible and bold claim to make.
@@kenndemoll7859 , are you a Protestant? How could have the Reformers get it right then? They also went against some of the Catholic teachings of their time. Reformation was a big deal, and Reformed teachings became popular quite fast.
In the Tanakh, the original Hebrew texts, God is talked about with plural pronouns, though the english translation never mirror that of course. Also, though God is one being, the Godhead is three persons who share the same nature, the same authority and the same mind and thoughts. Hence why Jesus said "The Father and I are one." 2nd video of you that I watched and I wonder what kind of reverend or pastor preached to you.
first and last. A to Z. Root to leaf. Alpha to Omega. Not names, but figures of speech meaning fullness of what ever the context is. completeness from beginning to end. God is fullness of plan of redemption. Jesus is fullness of the actual act of redemption, the lamb provided BY GOD.
Yes, but in grammar we speak of a "person" as a singular being. Thus, if I say God is one person, I am using that as one "being". I am trying to use the same language that Trinitarians use, so that I can be understood. They speak of "three persons in one essence" meaning "three beings in one essence."
1) believe in the father and his unicity, that he is "the only true God", and in all the other things you need to believe as a christian, (the angels, the prophets (jesus included) , the old testament, the new testament etc...) "I am the Lord (God) , and there is no other, besides me there is no God" isaiah (45:5) 2) do good, like praying to the father alone, giving charity and fasting. and for more detail on this, read matthew 6:1-18 when you pray, do it like jesus did in matthew, by prostrating, puting your face on the ground. and for what to say, say the prayer jesus learned to his disciples: "father hallowed be thy name ... Amen" "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing" so do what jesus does!! (in the range of your capacity) now jesus is clear, "you have One Father, in Heaven" so the father is in heaven. when jesus said 'the father in in me", it is metaphorical, not literal.
@@adamuhaddadi5332 you are a charlatan. the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a gift from God and works by themselves are useless. You live a very dark life and you will regret these choices in the next life.
John 17:20-22 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: So, the answer to your question is, WE become one with Jesus and his God by believing that YHVH is the only true God, and that Jesus was sent by the only true God..... as the apostles taught.
@@loveofthetruth9398 the light of who I am is my Father (Truth,wisdom etc) those who are not with your understanding are adversary to you. Spiritual minded or carnal minded... which one controls you? The ego is the vail, the adversary, playing devils advocate.. 🤗
I think that you are on the right track, but there are a lot of holes in your theory. BUT, I also think that trinitarians have even more problems with their view.
Greetings all. The Bible references two types of unity: absolute unity and compound unity. The original Hebrew indicates God is a compound unity of three, not an absolute unity of one. The Bible term for God's compound unity is Godhead. God has both oneness and threeness. Both must balance the other.
Thats what Gabriel basically said to Mary. And Paul aggrees, saying Jesus is the "last Adam" or "second man" so do you agree the first Adam was created...?
Human sons are of the same nature as their human fathers. If Jesus is the literal Son of God, He would exist eternally like His Father. Human sons don't exist because of their human fathers, they exist because of God, specifically the Father, from whom are all things, and Jesus, through whom are all things (1 Cor. 8.6-7) and in whom all things hold together (Col. 1.17).
Jesus is directly called God in John 20:28, Titus 2:13, and Hebrews 1:8. If you're going to side with the thousands of times God is referred to as singular, why not also pay attention to the times Jesus is directly referred to as being God?
None of those verse directly call Jesus God. In John 20:28, I think Thomas is finally seeing God IN Jesus, not that Jesus IS God, because that is what Jesus had previously taught Thomas in John 14:9. Jesus never taught him that he is God. Tit. 2:13 is a mistranslation following the Granville Sharp rule, which isn't a rule at all because it has many exceptions. And Hebrews 1:8 isn't calling Jesus God because it was originally written about an Israelite king who had a wife (Psa. 45:9), so if you want to make the words turn Jesus into God, then you have to turn the Israelite King into God as well, and I don't think you want to do that. What about the verses in the video in which Jesus clearly distinguishes himself from God? How do you handle those?
@@biblicalunitarian Firstly, regarding Thomas "finally seeing God IN Jesus", this doesn't line up with John 20:28 interpretation. If we were to read it in greek (at least from an interlinear), this verse would read, "the Lord of me and the God of me". With Thomas being this explicit, it would stand to reason that Jesus would have corrected this misunderstanding as He has before, but He didn't. And although He may have not been explicit in saying "I am God", He gave various signs that He was, such as in John 10:27-28. Secondly, regarding the Granville Sharp rule, if there's an implication that verse 13 is referring to God and Jesus as separate beings, with the implication of Jesus not being God with the verse reading, "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ", then this is brought into question when Titus 1:3-4, Titus 3:4 and 6 allocates the title of "Savior" to both Jesus and God. Thirdly, regarding Hebrews 1:8, while Psalm 45:6-7 originally addressed an earthly king, the context with which it is used is different, showing how the passage finds its ultimate fulfillment in Him. The context of Hebrews 1 is to demonstrate Jesus’ superiority over angels, explicitly attributing divine titles and roles to Him, whereas Psalm 45 celebrates the majesty of a righteous king and his royal wedding. No mentioning of angels. Finally, with the verses mentioned in the video in which Jesus distinguishes Himself from God, Trinitarians do not have any problems with this. Jesus is seen referring to the Father as God and God as the Father multiple times, which doesn't conflict with our doctrine since we believe that God is 3 persons who share one divine nature in being God, as seen in places like Philippians 2:5-6, Revelation 22:13, Acts 5:3-4, and Hebrews 9:14. Not "two Gods", as you've said in the video. All in all, there seems to be a misunderstanding on what Trinitarians believe. We don't believe that the Father (who often referred to as God), the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same person. That would be more akin to modalism. Rather, we believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct people who share one divine essence, with one example being in Colossians 1:16-17
I appreciate your responses to my responses and I disagree but I do not want to go around in circles. Also none of these verses " Philippians 2:5-6, Revelation 22:13, Acts 5:3-4, and Hebrews 9:14" teach that "God is 3 persons who share one divine nature in being God" do you see that? Maybe you could contrive a doctrine out of those verses, but those verses do not teach the Trinity. I'm very familiar with what Trinitarians believe, as I studied at a Trinitarian Seminary for 4 years. I understand that Trinitarians don't have a problem with Jesus distinguishing himself from God. The problem is that Trinitarians have concocted a belief that is irrefutable in many ways. No matter how many times Jesus calls his Father God, Trinitarians will say it supports Trinitarianism because the Father is God, even though Jesus is never explicitly called God in the New Testament (John 20:28 is the closest you get and again you know my interpretation of that). This is the biblical data: Father called God - 97% of the time Jesus called God - maybe 1% of the time Holy spirit called God - 2% This is what we would expect if the Trinity were true: Father called God - 33% of the time Jesus called God - 33% of the time Holy Spirit called God - 33% of the time So, do you see how you might just be misunderstanding the 3%? BTW Biblical Unitarians believe that the Holy Spirit is God, just not a separate person from the Father, it's the power and presence of God. But, try to put yourself in the shoes of the people in the Bible. Do you think them seeing a man walking around who "has a God" (John 20:17), calls him the "Only True God" (John 17:3), calls him "greater than" he is (John 14:28), would walk away concluding that he is fully and equally God as well?
I am coming to the same conclusion. God created Jesus, which is a part of himsrlf, but a separate being. The Holy Spirit is what God bestows upon our souls.
Yes, I think the only place where biblical unitarians would push back is to say that Jesus is "a part of God". Not really sure what that means, however, Jesus does have the Holy Spirit in him so in that sense God dwells in him, but the same could also be said of believers. So, Jesus does not in any sense have the nature of God, but God certainly works through him.
I've asked it many times, He says he is the Son of God (John 10:36; 20:17) and the biblical authors say he is the son of God (Matthew 16:16; Luke 1:32).
It's kinda stupid to apply the word "person" to God in the first place, but if you're gonna do it, you might as well see 3 faces in it. Because God is multifaceted.
I have been taught that God is a spirit kind of like the wind...we see the effect of wind but we cant see the wind.Therefore no man has seen Father God. If this be true and Yeshua is god; how is it that man could see Yeshua a mortal man of flesh
If we treated the word God as a moniker instead of a name, we would have a better understanding of this issue. Jesus is God because he was begotten of the Father and not created. The Father has a name, Jehovah, like the Son has a name, Jesus. They are both God, just like a king and a prince are royalty. They are both distinct persons, but of the same substance because Jesus was begotten of the Father. Just like if a man and woman had a child, the child is of the same substance as their parents, the child is human. The Father was first, which makes Him greater than the Son, just like a king is greater than the prince. But the Father loved his only begotten Son so much that he gave Him co-rulership of the universe. This is why Christ sits on the right hand of his Father's throne in heaven. As for the Holy Spirit, we don't have much information on Him, but it is safe to assume that He is of both the Father and the Son, as it says on the Scriptures that the "Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father."
You reference Genesis 1:27 about God using "He" as in singular...but just go 1 verse before: Then God said, "Let US make human beings in OUR image, to be like US..." You missed the Trinity reference there. After that point, anytime God is mentioned, it needs to be considered a trinitarian God. This is why In Genesis 1, God makes that point, He made it a clear point.
seems its you who missed the point. In v27 it says "so he made man in HIS image..." So here we have God working through others, just as He does all through the bible, favouring the humble. In v26 He is speaking to those myriad upon myriad of His sons, the firstborn family, that some neively call "angels" (which in greek simply means messenger) So God speaks to His angelic host, "let us make" and then He does it. You dont think God (the three of them) are sitting all alone talking to him/themselves, do you?
You may find this 4-part series on God's Divine Council enlightening by Spirit & Truth Fellowship. "From the beginning, God has had a pattern of organizing positions of authority, both human and spiritual, within His creation. He never wanted to rule as a tyrant, and through His divine loving nature, He expressed His love by trusting and giving authority to His creation. We see this pattern exhibited from Genesis to Revelation." Verses: Gen. 2:15; 1:28; Deut. 16:18; Eph. 1:22; 4:11; 6:12; Matt. 28:18; 19:28; Rev. 3:4; 2Cor. 10:8; Isa 1:26; Jer. 23:4; Mal. 3:6; Ps. 7:17; Heb. 7:1; Col. 1:16 ua-cam.com/video/kmeVKcRrGLw/v-deo.html
@@ken440 I do believe that They (the Trinity) have complete fulfillment within Themselves. The God of the Bible does not require a heavenly host of angles to speak with in order to make a decision about the creation of man. It is one God with 3 separate Persons.
:Perhaps you can clarify what you mean when you say "anytime God is mentioned, it needs to be considered a trinitarian God" Does this mean the term 'God' is interchangeable with 'triuneGod'? This would seem to pose many problems as when Jesus is praying to the triune God or he is exalted to the right hand of the triune God or that he, the word, is the triune God. Doesn't make sense.
Can someone explain John 10:30? No way they stoned Jesus because he claimed to be equal to God right? like that would be really weird... How about Colossians 2:9? John 8:58? before Abraham was.. I am? Titus 2:13? Jokes aside! I'm not here to argue but rather out of curiousity. Did you check all the verses that could support that God alone is Father? Or did we just leave it as Black and White. Unitarian is correct and Trinity is wrong. Out of curiousity? can you explain Biblical Unitarian why exactly the many times did up until now Jesus blankly and straightly says He is God? Let me guess! GOD IS FATHER AND JESUS IS MAN. Okay I'm listening... let's say that's true but what about the verses mentioned tho... Also I'm not sure where to find the verses... doesn't Jesus get praised and worshipped by the people? I mean they say the only one you should worship is God but why doesn't Jesus stop them? Just out of curiousity at least hehe!~
: As for John 10 :30, Jesus clarifies in what sense he is 'one' in John 17: 20-23. Don't think you should have any problem understanding this passage(unless you think the disciples are literally one being and part of the Godhead also).
Genesis 1:2, There is a fine line between flesh and spirit, and between the two is Tehom. Revelation 9:11 Genesis 1: 3 John 8: 12 Revelation 13:8 Isaiah 44:6
Wrong. Here are just a few versus that counter this argument and there are t least 50 in the Bible alone. Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." - Why would you baptize anyone in the name of one that is not God? John 15:26 "But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me." - The Holy Spirit is truly of the Father and testifies to the Divinity of Jesus 2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. - This equalizes the parts of the Trinity This is the problem with self interpretation of the Bible. It leads you into heresy, even when the evidence is clearly right in front of you. Repent!
: "In the name of " means by the authority of as in "open in the name of the law." The law has no name, but it has authority. The spirit has no name. John 15 :26 talks of the paraclete, which is masculine and hence 'he'. However, spirit is feminine in Hebrew and neuter in Greek. 2 Cor 13 :14 actually differentiates between the Lord Jesus and God. After Pentecost when the spirit had been poured out on the community of Jesus believers, Christians could enjoy fellowship with God and each other. The verse says nothing about God being three 'persons' who are co-equal, co-eternal etc. If you bother to look at the greetings Paul send in his letter, you will see that Paul sends greetings from two, one of whom is the God of the other. Perhaps the heresy came later when the church adopted post-apostolic doctrines about the nature of God; doctrines that came from theologians schooled in pagan Greek philosophy who applied platonic language and ideas to Christianity.
That is a fallacy, an appeal to "authority" or an appeal to "tradition." Don't trust me, or church history, trust the scriptures. If you are a Protestant, you believe that 1,600 years of Church history got many things wrong.
So when the Jews trusted 2000 years of their tradition, they missed their messiah, killing him instead of embracing him. Was that what you were pointing out?
Jesus' divinity was hotly debated in first three centuries. That's why Council of Nicea gathered. Constantine wanted christians to make up their minds.
@@ken440 The Jews denied Christ (God) when he was standing face to face and blasphemed the Holy Spirit (God). They were living a life of pompous legalism that at it's core did not truly have the love of God. The Pharisees were righteous on the outside but self-serving on the inside. The Church has been alive and well for nearly 2000 years and kept the teachings and traditions of the apostles since the day of Pentecost, despite every attack of the Jews, the Muslims, and all other powers of the devil. It has survived even with the west contorting, twisting, and splitting into 40,000+ denominations by the reformers. The Holy Spirit isn't divisive. "In ONE holy catholic and apostolic church." This video is full of ancient heresies that have been dealt with over 1000 years ago. If you do not believe the Nicene Creed there really is no point in calling yourself a Christian. This is just another attempt to intellectualize and rationalize the nature of God which is something beyond human comprehension. Lord have mercy on us sinners.
If Jesus Christ is the Father did Jesus Christ pray to Himself?🤷♂ The answer is not a simple yes or no but is an understanding because if the answer is a simple yes or no the answer would be yes and no. As a man of flesh born of water and blood who suffered the weakness of the flesh the man Jesus Christ is to be considered flesh because the scriptures say, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV And as flesh, Jesus Christ who is that Spirit who is God fashioned as a man always gave glory to the Spirit and as a man of flesh He drew strength from His own heavenly Spirit setting the example for us as a man teaching us how to pray. Jesus Christ was in heaven as the Holy Spirit who is our Father and on earth as a man of flesh at the same time and even told us so. John 3:13 King James Version 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." Hebrews 10:20 King James Version 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" John 6:51 King James Version 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." 1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God --->and
Jesus is literally throughout the Old Testament! You completely missed it!The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct persons = 1 God. Not 3 Gods. There are over 60 descriptions of the Trinity where all 3 persons are present. God is mysterious, and dynamic. He can absolutely reveal himself as 3 persons. You are looking in the wrong places brother. Jesus is very clear about who he is.
well I guess God could be the flying spaghetti monster as well, all mysterious as you say, isnt that what you are implying? That truth cant be known from scripture?
Really? Is there a single scipture in the entire Bible that says God is three persons? Is there any example of Jesus or his Apostles introducing or defending the idea of a triune God.
🔥🗣If you do not know the Father and Son as "HIM", you don't know HIM. God is One Spirit who manifest in the flesh, not one of three. Trinitarians, Repent from your false 3-headed god, the Lord is One Lord, One Spirit, and One Body! God is One person, not persons! "Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV Jesus Christ reveals by revelation the Father/Spirit and Son/flesh as Him, one person who manifest in the flesh. "All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom👉the Son will reveal HIM."👀-Luke 10:22 KJV "God is👉a Spirit: and they that worship👉HIM must worship HIM👈 in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24 KJV "HIM" manifest in the flesh as the Son and is called the Son of God, not God the Son but the Son of God because God is a Spirit and is more than a man of flesh. "The first man is of the earth, earthy;👉the second man is👉the Lord from heaven." -1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV Jesus Christ is that Spirit known as "HIM" in John 4:24 above who is God our Father who is ABOVE ALL and manifest in the flesh as the Son and was in heaven and on earth at the same time. Jesus Christ, the Son of man said while on earth that He was also in heaven "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." -John 3:13 KJV Jesus Christ is One Spirit, the Spirit who is our Father in John 4:24 known as "HIM" and One body of flesh. Spirit came forth from Spirit and there is only 1 Spirit, not 2 or 3! "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL." Ephesians 4:4-6KJV "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV "By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" -Hebrews 10:20 KJV "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63 KJV Notice how the Spirit of God is interchangeable with the Spirit of Christ because it's the same 1 Spirit! "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that👉the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the👉Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." -Romans 8:9 KJV "Now the👉Lord is that Spirit: and where👉the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as👉by the Spirit of the Lord." -2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV👑 Jesus Christ is that Spirit known as "HIM" in John 4:24 who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL and HE manifest in the flesh and that is why Jesus Christ said that He was the comforter when He said, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." -John 14:18 KJV What is the name of the Spirit in you? "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that👉Jesus Christ is in you,👀except ye be reprobates?" -2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV John said, "He that cometh from above is ABOVE ALL: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is ABOVE ALL." -John 3:31 KJV Jesus Christ said, "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." -John 8:23-25 KJV "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." -Isaiah 43:10 KJV "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM HE; I am the first, I also am the last." -Isaiah 48:12 KJV Isaiah 52:6 King James Version 6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I AM HE that doth speak: behold, it is I." -Isaiah 52:6 KJV "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." -Matthew 1:23 KJV "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,👉The mighty God,👉The everlasting Father,👀 The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 9:6 KJV "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." -Hebrews 13:8 KJV “One God --->and
And what do you do with all the plural verbs and adjectives used for YHVH God? And even God himself refers to himself with plural verbs and adjectives. You can't answer this, can you? After watching this video give false teachings, I will now be making a response video. Complete ignorance of Hebrew and Greek.
: Can you provide some examples where YHWH is used with plural verbs and adjectives. Likewise with God. It's just the claim is made that thousaands of times we have singular verbs and pronouns with God.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq I have provided many examples in my other videos and I did a response video to this one with some other examples. I also wrote a book called One Trinity where I give you numerous examples from the Old Testament and from the Hebrew. Please look those up and if you have any more questions, leave me a message.
@@dralgarza : You may indeed have provided 'many examples' in your other videos, but you have produced none here. And what about the thousands of examples that we read ourselves where we find singular verbs and pronouns? Given that many standard reference works and scholars of international repute acknowledge that the idea of a triune God is NOT found in the Hebrerw scriptures, I do wonder what you know that they have all missed.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq lol I don’t have to provide any here for you when they’re all available for free online. Just take your fingers and do some Google research like you always do and you’ll find my work. Secondly, all those scholars you talk about are not Christians and are unbelievers who do not believe Jesus or the Bible. So you can keep your sources because they are useless.
@@dralgarza : I get it now. Any scholar who exposes your specious argument must be an 'unbeliever', someone who does not believe in Jesus or the Bible.
@@biblicalunitarian Muslims do believe Jesus was the messiah. Although we believe that Jesus was raised up to heaven directly by god instead of dying because of how beloved Jesus was to god.
You need to understand that when God spoke in the Old Testament, Christ and the Holy Spirit had not come to the world and introduced yet so the concept of another God would be entirely foreign to his people at that time. Albeit other gods were not foreign to men before the commandments were given to Moses. As such that when God was telling his people that there were no other gods before him, he was setting himself apart from the then false gods of that time as THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD to those under the first covenant. When the messiah came and introduced himself as the son of God, he was crucified for equaling himself to God which he did not deny. Now the messiah who himself is equal to God (see Philippians 2:6) proclaimed that THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, the same God in the OT was greater than he (see John 14:28) to whom those who believed in Christ were taught to worship in spirit and in truth. Upon his ascension the Holy Spirit was then introduced to the world (see John 16:7) in the same reverence as God insomuch that blasphemy against him would incur no forgiveness. To simply put it. God did not change. He is still the ONE TRUE GOD that those under the new covenant worship. The only truth left to be proven is if Christians were wrong to believe in Christ or if they were right. In the end the truth will be revealed. That is a matter of faith for those who believe and even to those that don’t. As per faith I choose to put mine on John 14:1 as we all wait which of us all are approved in the end.
The Litmus test is this: How were you baptized? If you were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ then you passed the Litmus test. All new converts were baptized in Jesus name in ACTS. Not even one new convert was ever baptized in any other way. If you were baptized in the titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost then you have failed and have followed the Catholic faith heresy.
its not about any slogan stated at baptism, preachers saying in jesus name or in the name of the father, the son and the spirit. the point is "in the name of...." means "in the authority of.." like saying "in the name of the law i arrest you..." or "in the kings name i bring this message.." its about AUTHORITY, and Jesus being head of the body, is the authority that fills us with Gods spirit. Its about being immersed in holy spirit.
@@jerrytucker9979 Are you saying we should disregard Jesus' commandment of Matt. 28.19 because this explicit phrasing doesn't appear in Acts? Regarding Acts 2.38, what is the name of the Lord? And what is the name of the Lord that this prophecy fulfills in Joel 2.32 / Acts 2.21?
It's a bit sad how this fails to address the meaningful arguments for God's Triune Nature. Point 2 is an exact phrasing fallacy we don't need scripture to use that language as long as it's shown to be true. If Christ accepts Worship and God is the only one worshipped it logically follows Christ is God. Point 3 fails to understand that when we say God is a trinity that's how He exists not a description of who He is as a person. Your 4th point really is some terrible exegesis. The John verse is more ambiguous sure, but still the same belief rendered in God is the belief we have in Christ, the verb there is the same. Also, the text doesn't make it clear whether it's indicative or imperative so it's a bit vague in general. Your 5th point is just egregious. Secular New Testament authors agree that a major theme throughout the New Testament is Jesus as God. Point 7 is a fun one because you just cut out half the verse where it says all things are created through Christ... I'm not even trying to hate but at least be more honest with your arguments. This type of content doesn't promote meaningful discussion at all and seems geared toward an echo chamber. You also don't engage with any historical arguments. We have many Patristic and Early Church figures in agreement that God is a Trinity, while its not as important as Scripture this is still something that needs to be addressed. Also the entire theme of John is the Deity of Christ, this is as previously mentioned agreed on even by secular scholars. What happens to that? All in all I hope you continue your study into the word and return to the fullness of faith. May the Lord Jesus Christ guide you and keep you. To Him be the glory forever.
Its logical from scripture that God is THE MOST HIGH GOD, so among those considered in the world "GODS" then only the God most high is worthy of worship (its all about the other Gods of the nations in this verse) and so as the "anointed one" promised BY God, the representative of God, then Jesus can accept worship on Gods behalf just as king David did. Comprehend?
@@ken440 David didn't accept worship on God's behalf. That's theological nonsense. I think you are thinking about chronicles using the KJV but the consensus is that the word translated as worship is actually paid homage to, which is consistent with the Hebrew as well as the narrative. Furthermore in the narrative of Chronicles David with the congregation brings sacrifices to God. In Revelations and the NT we bring Sacrifice to Christ a BIG distinction in the manner of worship/reverence.
@@davidkomzyuk David was an anointed one, and he occupied the throne of God, and he was worshipped along with YHWH. This "worship" issue is a nonsense. The business about "only God can be worshipped" is derived from the admonition to worship no other above or along with the God of Israel. Its because the other nations were worshipping "other gods" and YHWH chose Israel as His own. Its about not worshipping "other Gods!" nothing to do with worship for Gods anointed one who God raised and glorified as 2iC (seated at Gods right hand.)
@@ken440 ok simple question since you can’t agree that Christs worship was different. Can we offer true sacrifice to anyone but Yahweh? And does anyone have a priesthood aside from Yahweh?
David, thanks for your response. The point of the video was not to play defense (defend against the Trinity) but to play offense (to give reasons for Unitarianism), so yes, I didn't address many Trinitarian passages. Point 2 is not an exact phrasing fallacy, I gave three options for how God as "Trinity" could be expressed, the biblical authors don't have to use specific phrasing, they just don't ever define God as three with any set of words at all. Also, many people throughout the bible receive worship (proskuneo) so it does not logically follow that Christ is God. Point 3 - I really feel that you are missing the point. A Trinitarian's definition of God, is that he/they are a Trinity (three persons in one essence), that is who "God" is. So if that is a correct definition, you should be able to substitute the definition in for the word, and the sentence still makes sense. Yet, you cannot do this in Trinitarianism, thus, the definition must be wrong. For example, take "Jump." If I say "Bill jumped over the puddle" I can substitute the definition of the word and the sentence still makes sense: "Bill pushed himself off of the ground over the puddle." Point 4 - If you're talking about John 14:1, yes, there is one verb, nobody is questioning that, the point is that there are two objects, Jesus and God. Jesus is someone different from God. It's not "terrible exegesis" at all, in fact, it is basic exegesis. Point 5 - You didn't address the verses at all. God is clearly distinguished from Jesus consistently throughout the New Testament. And no not all Secular scholars believe that (Ehrman, Dan Mclellan, etc. ) but that doesn't really matter. Point 7 - I didn't include the second half of the verse because it is irrelevant for discussions on the Trinity (if we were talking about pre-existence it would be relevant). There is no Holy Spirit mentioned in 1 Cor. 8:6 thus, there is no Trinity. God is explicitly defined as the Father. Whether or not Jesus helped in the creation of the world, is irrelevant to him being God. There are also Unitarian theologians throughout the centuries (beginning very early, Clement of Rome), so both sides can pull the History card. Obviously the Trinity has had more followers since 381 AD but that is because it was intertwined with Rome and Unitarians were killed, and books burned.
By 400AD most of the Church was Trinitarian, because you could be burned at the stake for not believing in the Trinity, that has nothing to do with if the Bible teaches it. Let's stick to the Bible, which defines God as just the Father (1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6; John 5:44).
1 Timothy 2:5 is clear:
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
Very clear. The truth is simple.
One God, three Persons.
@@haze1123 yeah that verse just means we don’t need anyone to mediate on our behalf unless it’s Christ
Jesus is God. God can only begat God, he cannot begat anything else.
@@Badkharma21 ...God begetting God??? Madness.
“For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.” - 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6
You’re so right. Love you brother!
Thanks!
I had the same revelation. I always believed in the trinity , but by the Word I have come to know the TRUTH.
So great to hear! Check out this page to see if there are any Christians near you who believe similarly - www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/membership-map/
@@biblicalunitarian I stay in South Africa, so not many unitarians here. You're almost like a heretic if you believe that Jesus is not God here:(
@@albertadlg lol America also... But Jesus said narrow is the way!!!
Very well explained. However, point 6 where the content creator claims that there is only one God needs clarification. The Bible teaches that there is only one ultimate God, the creator and originator of life (YHWH) but the term God is and can be applied to others. The term is applied to Moses; Hebrew Kings; Judges; angels - even the devil. Of course, nobody is suggesting that simply being called God equates them with YHWH, but it does show that there is more than oner God/god mentioned in the Bible. (1 Cor 8:5,6).
It also means that even if Jesus is called 'God' ( and you will struggle to find verses that clearly and unambiguously do this ) it does not equate him with YHWH.
Thank you brother! The truth is the truth. The Father is 1 person and God alone. God leads his people back to him through his son. 🕊
@@JacobSilverdal I believe in one God with no distinction of persons - but that leads me to understand that Yahweh of the Old Testament is Jesus of the New (see Isa 40:3 and John 8:58). What is the “Son of God” to you? A nice man? An Angel?
YHVH is 1 Lord. ......He is the God of Israel. He is the God of the man and Messiah Jesus. (John 20:17) Jesus called Him, Father. .....and so did the apostles, 1 Corinthians 8:6
John20:28
@@itisfinished369 ....No one has seen God, John 1:18 Thomas replied, “My lord and my god!” ....would be the correct way to translate this into English as I see it. There are many gods, but only 1 Lord God, and His name is YHVH, The God of Israel. John 10:35
@@bosse641 you will need to repent. Even the Jews know they missed the boat with Jesus. Jesus is God made flesh. period.
@@Badkharma21 ...Jesus said that the Father is God alone. And so did the apostles. John 17:3 / 1 Corinthians 8:6 ....So they should repent also ?
@@bosse641 i don't know what to tell you dude, except you ignore a huge body of writings on this, and UA-cam comments are not place to sit there and play devil's advocate.
Genesis 1 says, "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the earth." Then in John 1 it says, "In the beginning the WORD was WITH God and the Word was God. EVERYTHING that was made was made by the word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We beheld His glory as the only begotten of the Father. So, one verse says God created, then then the other verse says the Word who was God the Son created. Then in Genesis it says, "Let US make man in OUR image."
AND in Acts 5:3 it says, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit...You have not lied to men but to God.”
Titus 2:13 says, "...looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ..."
In Hebrews 1:8 God says, "But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;" This verse has God the Father calling the Son, GOD.
So, in Scripture we clearly have the Father called God, the Son (Jesus) called God, and the Holy Spirit called God.
And yet Isaiah 44:6 says, "“This is what the Lord says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: 'I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is NO God.'"
The Bible emphatically says the Father is God, Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God and YET Isaiah says, there is ONE God. Contradiction? No. Solution: Trinity=one God, eternally existent in three persons.
The Bible does not emphatically say that Jesus is God. But I do agree with you that Acts 5:3 calls the Holy Spirit God, because the Holy Spirit is part of who God is. It is not a separate person from the Father.
Titus 2:13 is a mistranslation which mistakenly follows the Granville-Sharp rule. There are some "Trinitarian" translations which do not follow this rule and thus do not call Jesus God in Titus 2:13.
Hebrews 1:8 does not turn Jesus into God, or else it would turn the OT Israelite King into God as well, who the Psalm is originally about (Psa. 45:6). We know that this Psalm was not originally about Jesus because the King being celebrated had a wife (Psa. 45:9). So, either the Israelite King was God as well (because the same words were spoken to him) and Jesus is God, which would make 4 members of the Godhead, or Hebrews 1:8 isn't calling Jesus God.
And as for Isaiah 44:6, who is the "me" in the phrase "apart from ME there is no God?" Do you believe that there are three persons speaking? Do you see how since Yahweh speaks with first person singular pronouns here, Yahweh is ONE person, not three. If God was comprised of three persons they absolutely should have used "there is no God apart from US."
So happy videos are back, I make sure to listen to every single one. Please keep up the good work! Have a blessed day. 💯
thanks for the video. could you please make a new video about John 8:58 and John 1:1 in one video? I'm getting angry and frustrated at trinitarians that keep bringing up those verses and thinking that our God is truine. God bless you please let them to the truth❤❤❤
Yes, I know that can be monotonous. Hopefully these help, I made a video that pretty much centers on John 1:1 here - ua-cam.com/video/wdilSjUkk0A/v-deo.html
And we have one on John 8:58 - ua-cam.com/video/ryHKLdl--Gc/v-deo.html
The Trinity is not biblical it's a false teaching
This video is heretical. Trinitarianism is Biblical Christianity.
Yes, as a Muslim who studied Christianity, this video is considered heretical due to its theology which is against the church.
And anyone who is not agreeing with the Creeds of Nicaea, is no longer a Christian.
Kindly correct me if I'm wrong.
@@SyafiqHadziryes correct. To a christian this is herecy, and we absolutely believe the bible is the word of God, and the word of God says Jesus Christ is God
Excuse me? Matthew is like the main book to read before you can make an accusation like that! Go back to Matthew 28:19 and stop trying to cause believers to stumble and repent
Constantine ruined christianity big time.
he sure did. all he did was superimpose Christianity over polytheism. anyone that is a catholic is headed for a fiery time in hell.
Not for everyone. The trinitarians loved it cause it gave them a green light for mass executions and oppression. They miss the good old days and come to harass anyone who disagrees with them even now.
nice conspiracy theory
For reals.
@@hippiosit’s called history. Go read a book.
What church doesn’t teach the trinity? I’ve always sat in church wondering why people treat Jesus like god.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints know that God The Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Ghost are three separate beings, and teach such. They've published this in their Articles of Faith.
There are churches all across the world, check out this webpage - www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/membership-map/
Also, Christadelphians, Jehovah's witnesses, etc... not necessarily endorsing them, but they also don't believe in the Trinity
@@jadonconstantine4930 I know the Mormons believe that but I can’t go along with the Book of Mormon. I’m not knocking them but I believe that the Bible is the only word of God.
@@UA-camMaster1611 I understand. I hope you find what you're looking for, brother. I appreciate you not knocking us haha.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism
Several. I’m not a trinitarian.
I would love to hear your explanation on Acts 7:56 where Steven says that he saw heaven opens and the SON of man standing at the right hand of GOD? How can one person stand on the right hand of himself?
I agree with you, that Jesus is not God, he's someone different from God.
@@biblicalunitarian HE IS not GOD ?
kid, learn to use the right words on the first place. you mean , HE IS not ABBAH ?
Trinis believe
- we will be brothers with Yahweh.
- God is a mediator between himself and man.
- that God has put everything under Gods feet except God himself who put everything under Gods feet. Then God himself will be made subject to himself so that God can be all in all.
The Trinity is manmade nonsense. Avoid.
Not ONE verse explains or preach the Trinity let alone any apostle.
You cannot to mention that the Trinity is just a "mystery " of the "church" (church, not Church).
well writen👍. unfortunately, there is a lot of other problems with Christianity. i would still say I'm Christian in some sense. but the unseal version of the religion including have church gathering usealy go. is like listening to someone for hours trying to sell me sand insisting its gold.
The trinity is idolatry.
Go read the book of Hebrews. God refers to his son as God. "But of the Son he says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom” God appointed his son heir of all things and is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being. God calls all the angels to worship him.
God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirt are 3 roles of 1 being. It’s not idolatry because it’s the worship of one God. To deny Jesus is God is to deny salvation.
@@TFett007Where is triune/trinity in Bible.....bro do u know when the word and concept trinity came in existence.....in 300 AD.
what about people before 300 AD...how can they explain existence of their GOD to others...
Jewish people don't believe triune god.
People of Israel are believing God from ages but they don't have a single word to explain his existence 👏👏
Trinity is man made fake theory which doesn't exist in bible...
Jesus said father is greater than him....
In Trinity, every one must be equal....but hierarchical difference existed between them according to bible
After end, jesus will subdue to father.
1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Trinity-man made theory.
@@TFett007
It was from Psalm 45 ,102 by author of hebrews.
God is not calling jesus as god 🤦♂️...
Psalm 45:6
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Psalm 45:7
Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Psalm 102:25
Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.
@@Joker-mr4sv Hi, I’m interested in talking to a fellow Unitarian.
In your view, who exactly is the only true Lord and King of all in heaven and on earth?
Can it only be applied to Jesus, or it can also be applied to God the Father as well? Thank you.
@@nataliuselyanto210here is my chat gpt response:
Biblical Unitarians generally reject traditional views of heaven and hell as eternal destinations where souls immediately go after death. Instead, they believe these concepts are often misunderstood and influenced by pagan or non-biblical ideas. Here's a summary of their perspective:
Heaven and Resurrection: Biblical Unitarians typically believe that heaven is not the ultimate destination for the righteous. Instead, they emphasize the biblical promise of resurrection and eternal life on a renewed Earth under God's Kingdom. They view the idea of going to heaven at death as a misinterpretation of Scripture.
Hell: Biblical Unitarians generally reject the traditional concept of hell as a place of eternal torment. They may interpret "hell" (derived from terms like Sheol, Hades, or Gehenna in the Bible) as a metaphor for the grave, destruction, or a temporary place of judgment rather than an eternal fiery realm.
Influence of Paganism: Many Biblical Unitarians argue that the traditional doctrines of heaven and hell have been influenced by Greek philosophy, pagan beliefs, and non-biblical traditions that crept into Christianity over time.
They focus on a future resurrection at Christ's return, where the righteous will inherit eternal life, and the unrighteous will face annihilation or some form of ultimate judgment, rather than eternal torment.
SIMPLY AWESOME JONNY YOUR GIVING ANOTHER SUPERIOR METHOD
TO DESTROY THE PAGAN TRINITY THEORY..
THKYU. VERY VERY CLEAR THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN IT....
again thkyu BLESSINGS See yuh in the purlly gates.brother.
It seems to me that the mere existence of collective nouns undercuts 90% of your evidence and argumentation
I'm not sure what you mean because Yahweh is a plural noun, but is used constantly with singular pronouns and verbs. Thus, many scholars call it a plural of majesty. Collective nouns are in the singular, so they are different.
And that would only apply to point #1 I made, what about the other 6 points?
The main problem unitarians have is this. The Old Testament insists that God alone is creator and savior, and that God alone is worthy of worship. And yet, the New Testament uses the same language to refer to Jesus Christ, and demands that we give him the highest form of honor and worship. Unitarians typically use the "agency" argument to explain this, but agency doesn't cut it, because at the end of the day, who do you serve, who do you worship -- God, or an agent of God? The sheer amount of Old Testament language used for and applied to Christ is overwhelming. If Jesus were just a man -- even a sinless, virgin born man and the greatest agent of God who ever lived -- he would still be a creature. And the gulf between God and creatures is infinite. So in the unitarian view, a mere creature is placed alongside God, even sits on the divine throne, who has all the glory, honor, and power that God has. This is impossible! If true, it would negate the entire Old Testament. So the only answer is the Scriptural one -- that Jesus Christ is "God manifest in the flesh" (I Timothy 3:16), "the Word made flesh" (John 1:1-18). He is worthy of all glory and honor and worship (Revelation 5) because he IS God (John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8).
I hope this comment helps those who are on the fence about this.
God is the saviour, the one who saves.
Jesus is the lamb OF GOD who is the mediator BETWEEN God and men, and is the sprinkled blood which is the covering we come under. (you did know Jesus died at Passover?)
God saves by provision.
Jesus saves by BEING the provision of God.
We SAVE OURSELVES by RESPONDING in FAITH to Gods provision of the covering blood OF the lamb of God.
A man sends a paramedic to throw a rope down a well to a drowning boy.
Who saved the boy? The sender, the paramedic, the rope, or the boy who grabbed the rope? They all did, but it was the man who sent, that initiated the whole salvation. You cant say the rope is therefore equal to the man. You cant say the man and the paramedic are therefore the same being.
Do you see how your logic falls apart.?
Good points which is why it’s hard to believe with all the scriptural evidence to support Jesus being God, it’s still denied by some
@@ken440 You're mistaken. The problem with your logic is that the New Testament doesn't talk about Jesus in the way you are describing, as some sort of "good man" or "great prophet" who happens to die for our sins so that *God* (someone other than Jesus) can save us. As if (as in your analogy) Jesus is just a "useful tool" to get the job done. It uses language that indicates God HIMSELF is somehow doing the work. We are to worship the PERSON OF JESUS (see Revelation 5). The glory and honor due to God is due also to the Son (John 5:23). Can you imagine worshipping Moses, or King David, or Isaiah? If you can, then you've completely missed the point of the Old Testament.
Likewise, if you think Jesus is just a mere man, you've missed the entire point of the New Testament. Jesus is Mediator between God and man precisely because he IS BOTH God and man. The Word, which was God, became flesh. This is such a basic, fundamental principle of the New Testament Scriptures and apostolic Christianity that it's hard for me to believe that anyone can miss it. If Jesus is not God, then you are an idolater, plain and simple.
@@wordwarrior1974 who said any "MERE" word? seems you added that to do some belittling.
You will perhaps read what Gabriel told Mary.
Was Adam a "mere" man?
@@wordwarrior1974 your wording ... "because he IS BOTH God and man." i see that nowhere written in scripture?
A few times i find reference to God working THROUGH a man, and "manifesting" in the man Jesus anointed. I see where scripture says Jesus is a man PROVEN by God, with miracles and great signs done THROUGH him....
But that he is BOTH GOD AND MAN i cant find written in scripture. Only in your comment and in various sermon notes and commentaries.
And check out Deut18:18 God speaking through Moses. "I will raise a GREAT PROPHET like Moses, from AMONG YOUR BROTHERS (i.e. a human Israelite)) and I will put MY WORDS in his mouth.: This speaks of the messiah. And what does Jesus repeat two or three times in John? "I say nothing of myself, but only what my God says through me." and I do nothing but only what I see my father do. and jn8:40 "why do you seek to kill me, a MAN who has told you what I heard from my GOD." !!
0:16 There are parts where God refers to Himself in the plural form, such as in Genesis 1:26 and Genesis 3:22
It is not God referring to himself, but God referring to his Divine Council as "us." What do you do with the thousands of singular verbs and pronouns used in reference to God?
1,000's of singular pronouns > 4 OT uses of "us"
@@biblicalunitarian "Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..."
Following this logic, this would mean that humanity is also made in the image of the divine council. This doesn't track with the rest of scripture which singles out God as being the sole creator of not just man, but everything else, such as in Genesis 5:1-2.
More evidence of this is seen in Genesis 11:7-8, where God switches from from plural to singular, further outlining that its God speaking to Himself and not the divine council.
Genesis 11:7-8: Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
As trinitarians, we don't deny God referring to Himself in a singular form. It still matches with our doctrine. It's just that, unlike you, we don't deny that God ever referred to Himself in the plural form as you did in the video.
Following your logic we must be made in the image of a tri-personal God. Do you have three persons dwelling inside of you? I don't. So, I think to understand this to mean that we must be made in the image of a multi-personal God who is talking to himself, presents problems for both of us.
How I understand it is that God is talking to his divine council, and then he goes ahead and makes mankind in his image. In the very next verse, in Gen. 1:27 it uses singular verbs to describe that God "made (3rd person singular)" mankind in his image, not in "their" image.
Yes, but even in your example in Gen. 11:7-8 God uses the plural, but then only "Yahweh" (singular person) goes down and scatters (singular verb) them. It is not three persons who go down and scatter them. What happened to the Holy Spirit and Jesus, did they not follow through with their plans?
Also, Jesus is said to be in "the image of God" (Col. 1:15) so how does that work in your view? Only creations are made in the "image of God", the Creator himself is not made in his own image. Do you see how confusing that gets?
Ultimately, I appreciate your thorough investigation of all of this, and being willing to seek the truth, but I would suggest taking a step back and look at the ultimate argument you are making. You are saying that 4 occurrences of "us" prove a Tri-personal God (even though in the very same contexts singular pronouns/verbs are used of God) and then you must ignore the thousands of times in scripture in which God is defined as a singular "person". Either God is one "person" or multiple "persons" it can't be both. Thus, I'm going to side with the thousands of times that God is referred to as one "person."
@@biblicalunitarian On your first point, this would be true if trinitarians believed in
three gods instead of one. We believe that God is three persons who
share one divine nature, separating Him from everything else in
existence, of which we believe in His image we are made from.
Secondly, your understanding of the text has no bearing on what the text actually says. Had the text been referencing the divine council, then that would've made them co-creators with God and not creations themselves, which doesn't track with the rest of scripture, such as Isaiah 44:24: "This is what the Lord says-your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: 'I am the Lord, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself.'"
Thirdly, again, this would be a good point if trinitarians believed in three gods instead of one, which is a misrepresentation of the trinitarian doctrine. Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always been with the Father, as seen in:
John 1:1, 14: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
and Hebrews 9:14: "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"
Fourthly, if you keep reading after verse 15, you'll find that the text talks about how He is "before all things" and how all creation was made "through Him and for Him.", indicating that the term "image of God" means something different for Him when compared to it being used form humanity.
Finally, if you're going to side with the thousands of times where God is mentioned as singular, then why not also pay attention to the times where Jesus is directly called as being God as well as what the early church believed:
John 20: 27-28: Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Hebrews 1:8: But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom."
@@biblicalunitarian On your first point, this would be true if trinitarians believed in three gods instead of one. We believe that God is three persons sharing one divine nature, separating them from everything in existence.
Secondly, how you understand the text has no bearing on what the text actually says. If it really was the divine council mentioned in the "us" and "our part of the verse, then that would make them co-creators alongside God, which doesn't track with the rest of scripture, such as Isaiah 44:24.
Thirdly, again, this would be a good point if trinitarians believed in 3 gods instead of one. Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always been with the Father, as seen in John 1:1 and Hebrews 9:14, where Jesus (the Word) is said to being with God as well as being God from the beginning, and the Holy Spirit being eternal.
Fourthly, if you keep reading after verse 15, you'll find that Jesus is said to being the vehicle through which everything was created, with verse 16 saying, "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth...", pointing to the term "image of God" being used differently when referring to Jesus compared to humanity, with humanity being "made" in the image of God, and Jesus "being" the image of God.
Finally, if you're going to side with the thousands of other times God is mentioned as singular, why not also pay attention to the times Jesus is directly mentioned as being God, such as in John 1:1;14, John 20:28, Titus 2:13, Phillipians 2:5-6, and 2 Peter 1:1
The trinity is a man made belief.
Than what does Matthew 28:18, 19, & 20 mean?
No, it's a dogma.
Sure, sure, something a human mind can not comprehend was made by man ☠️
@@---zc4qtdoes it say “I am a triune God” anywhere in those verses or are you just inserting it cause it’s what you want it to say? Let’s see.
King James Version
19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Hmmm. Nothing about I’m a trinity or triune God. Or that all three are God persons. Read it sometime. Might help you come to understand Jesus he said his father is the ONLY TRUE God. Not calling him a liar are you?
John 17:1 KJV. These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
@@Mr.ICE-BEAR
So- does Messiah have all power OR is He a liar? ( Matt. 28:18)
Joseph and the pharoah is how I in my limited human mind understands the authoratative structure between God and Jesus
absolutely correct. And it explains that Joseph was NOT pharaoh.
And Joseph was not egyptian royal family.
And Joseph was not even egyptian.
blessings. Like me you see the foreshadow God provided.
Matthew 28:19 Therefore go make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
In the name of (what these three represent) - the one God, and the one Lord, through the power of the one spirit. There's nothing in Matthew 28:19 that claims the one God is three persons.
This doesn’t say I am a triune God. Just list three.
Believe Jesus or don’t. Between you and God.
John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE the ONLY TRUE God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
@@Atlantica0000 Jesus didn't think himself as the literal son of god.
@@johncena12366what? Of course he did. Even the Father acknowledges him as such. Read the Bible so you may know the truth.
@@Atlantica0000 actually, in the Acts, the baptism is in the name of Jesus.
I guess we’re ignoring matthew 28:19-20 now. Sounds good, there is now no place where it says father son and Holy Spirit, really got us with this video. Checkmated us trinitarians.
Mentioning three things together doesn't turn them into one God. When the Bible says that God is the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, that doesn't turn those three into one person, rather it is simply mentioning three names. To take Matthew 28:19 as a definition for God but not 1 Cor. 8:6 "For us there is one God, the Father" is eisegesis.
@@biblicalunitarianThat’s funny, tell me who the father, son and holy spirit referred to are? Let’s also say before Abraham was, I am. John8:48-59. This implies Jesus is part of the god head because the Jews were gonna stone him for blaspheming. This is a direct statement saying Jesus is God, meaning that now there are two in the God head and the Holy Spirit with its capabilities is also part of the god head. Three distinct parts, one god. What denomination are you incidentally enough?
The Father is God (1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6), the Son of God is the man Jesus the Messiah (John 20:31; 1 Tim. 2:5; Acts 2:22), and the Holy Spirit is God's spirit, it is something God possesses (Acts 2:17; 1 Cor. 2:11) not a separate being and person from God.
I am not going to spend all my time defending against verses you throw out. I have already kindly addressed verses you have thrown out, but you have not addressed anything I mentioned in the video.
If Jesus has a God (John 20:17) and there is only one God (1 Cor. 8:6), how can he also be God? In Trinitarianism, God (Jesus) would have a God (the Father), that makes 2 gods in your view. That is completely non-scriptural.
@@biblicalunitariangonna use your own verse against you and when I get some more time I’ll respond to more of your verses. 1 Corinthians 8:6 “yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” It says But one lord, Jesus Christ whom all things came, Jesus is directly called God and given an attribute only god has. This directly shows that Jesus is god. Jesus is called lord and god is also called lord. This shows they are one together. If you accept this verse but not Trinitarianism you worship two gods which is not biblical, there is one true God.
@@biblicalunitarian Alrighty, this is the second half of my rebuttal. For the record I will be using context before and after the verses mentioned as well as references other books and verses to clarify what you misunderstand.
So first of all, "The father is God, (Ive responded to Cor 8:6), Ephesians 4:6 refers to "one lord, one faith, one baptism" however in other texts like Cor 8:6 Jesus is referred to as "Lord", Jesus is also referred to as "Lord" in; 1 Corinthians 12:3-6, where it says "3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work." This clearly shows that there is a plurality of God, and it says Jesus is Lord as well.
Next point you made is "The Son of God is the man Jesus the Messiah" In John 20:28 it says "Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Jesus is directly called "My Lord and MY GOD" and he doesn't deny it but instead accepts the praise. You referred to (1 Tim. 2:5), so lets take a look. It says in (1 Tim. 2:3) This is good, and pleases God our Savior" In (1 John 4:14) it says "And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world." but why would Jesus be called "Saviour of the world" if God is also the saviour. Because they are one in the same. Acts 2:22 is the next verse you quoted, so lets look at what comes after it. In Acts 2:34-36 says "For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35 until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” ’
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.” ". Jesus is quite clearly here called "Lord" and funnily enough, it says "The Lord said to my Lord" this implies two, but theres only one, again proves that Jesus and God are distinct but unified under one. Overall all of these examples show Jesus is at the same level as God and therefor is God because no one can be greater than God as said in (Palms 86:8).
To respond to yet another one of your points, "Holy Spirit is God's spirit, it is something God possesses" you used (Acts 2:17) which says "‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." I dont see anything that says that it isn't separate from God, simply says "My spirit" which if we're going with Unitarianism, sure but if we go according to the trinity it fits, The Holy Spirit is God, therefore "My spirit". As for (1 Cor 2:11) its the same thing, according to the God head logic it fits perfectly fine, not an argument against it. Funny enough (Romans 8:1-17) talks about how the spirit is in Jesus its also referred to as "The spirit of Christ" (Romans 8:9) which unifies the spirit with Jesus and since the spirit is God that means that Jesus is also God because its HIS spirit. (1 Peter 1:11) also says "Spirit of Christ" strengthening the Spirit being fully Christ and fully God as well as being with God and Jesus.
All of the verses you've given to me are taken out of context and fit your arguments only when taken out of context. Ive responded to all of the verses you've thrown at me and ive given more to you so lets see what you have to say about what Ive already said and what Im about to say.
(Rev 1:5) refers to Jesus as "The ruler of the kings of earth" which means hes above the level of human, hence God. (Rev 1:8) "I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lord God, 'who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty" (Rev 21:6) "'It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End'" All of these show Jesus is God. Another for you to check out if those arent enough for you (Rev 1:18-20) More over (John 1:1) "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind." In (Col. 1:24-29) the word is being talked about then it says it talks about Christ or "Jesus" as its been previously stated in the Bible which just shows that Jesus is Christ. Anyway, when it refers to the word and Christ it says "To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory." So Christ being in you isn't possible for a human and when its talking about the word that just shows that Christ (Jesus) and the word are the same and IN YOU only something "Gods Spirit" can do so logically speaking that now makes Jesus equal to the Spirit and we've determined the Spirit is God, therefore they are all the same but "The Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Deut. 6:4.
If I misquoted anything or took anything out of context or misused God's word I pray that he may correct me and put it on my heart to correct my statements and references. I pray that you can see clearly and accept that the Bible teaches the trinity and not Unitarianism. God Bless my friend!
The Trinity is easy to debunk ..
WHO (GAVE) Christ the Revelation ?
REVELATION 1:1
(Berean Literal Bible)
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants what things it behooves to take place in quickness. And He signified it through having sent His angel to His servant, John,"
REVELATION 1:1
(King James Bible)
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
** GOD - (GAVE) the Revelation to Christ.
💣 - BOOM !!
Bye Bye 👋
False Trinity doctrine !!
And that should be the "alpha and omega" (A to Z) of what you should need to say to stop the false trinity thing.
But they dont do any research for themselves, so they dont cotton on.
@@ken440
Right, ..
And if they did,
they would see who the Al'pha and the O.me'ga is ..
REVELATION 1:8 says ..
"I am the Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH GOD, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty."
( Aramaic Bible in Plain English )
ANSWER:
Jehovah is
The Al'pha and the O.me'ga
.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Do you deny this passage?
Come on, do some homework, that one was written in the AD 1500s, (1500 years after John wrote that letter) which is why its no longer in any new versions of the bible. Its agreed among scholars that it is scribal meddling. John never said that. Catholics usually bring that one out, so if you are a roman catholic believer, then you can call me a heretic. If you arent then you are a fellow heretic with me.
Revelation 1:17-18
Isaiah 9:6
Jesus calls Himself "The First and The Last" in Revelation 1:17-19.
That title is ONLY reserved for God, so that scripture alone should prove to anyone that Jesus is God within The Godhead.
God The Father is God,
God The Son Jesus Christ is God, and God The Holy Ghost is God.
Also, look at Isaiah 9:6, it says a child is born unto us and He Name will be called, Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
There's no debate in any of this, but satan will continue to use his agents as vessels to attempt to twist The Word and promote false beliefs and deceptions to devour the flock.
the spirit of the antichrist is working in many of these people that deny Jesus is God, but sometimes it's best to shake the dust off the backs of our sandals as a testimony against them and let the blind continue to lead the blind.
Glory be to God The Father!
Glory be to God The Son!
Glory be to God The Holy Spirit!
Forever! Amen!
@@YHWHsGangsterDisciple its full of debate my friend. you cant see it because just like during my 40 years as a trinitarian, i was told these rock solid proofs, but was never told the alternative meanings, the ones that fitted the local context.
Is9:6 for e.g.
Mighty God. hmmmm? what about the next two words.. " Everlasting Father?" how can you mix up the persons, Athenasious would be furious! Jesus is either the son or the father. you cant have both.
That aside... "mighty God" in the original hebrew its "el gibbor" and king Nebachadnezzer is called "el gibbor" in an earlier bible book, and there its translated "mighty warrior."
I would agree the returning Jesus the lion of Judah can be titled "mighty warrior" and "father of the age" (age, not modern concept of eternal) because it refers to the age to come, when Jesus returns and rules all from jerusalem.
@@ken440 well to be honest the difference here for me is that I don't go off of what man says or what a mortal someone has told me, I remove all of that from my mind completely and read The Word of God for myself, while I allow The Holy Spirit to read it to me and minister it to me simultaneously. My teacher is The Holy Spirit, not man, not a theologian, not a scribe, not a pastor, not an administrative educationalist, etc...My translator and teacher is The Holy Spirit. And to answer your questions, Jesus is all of the titles listed in Isaiah 9:6 plus some.
Also, please take under consideration that not only does God call Jesus, "The Word", but God also says that "The Word" which is Jesus, is God, and then proceeds to say that all things were created through Him. Jesus is The Word, and The Word was with God from the beginning, and The Word is God, and all things were created through and by The Word, who is Jesus, who is God. So, since we know that Jesus is The Word, and we know that The Word is God, and we know that everything was created through Him as The Word, and we know that no one can be a creator except for God, then this in fact proves that Jesus is God. The Trinity is real and true. An easy example I always tell people to imagine is this:
Suppose you work for a company that has 3 owners. They each have equal share and ownership of the company. But they each provide their control over 3 different functions withing the company to maintain the company as a whole. 1 owner is in charge of finances, I owner is in charge of logistics, and 1 owner is in charge of hiring and firing. They're all equal, but with different sectors, to control one company. If you walk in to owner 1's office, you'll call him boss. If you walk in owner 2's office, you'll also call him boss. If you walk in owner 3's office, you'll also call him boss. People have to have the ability to do their best to wrap their mind around the things that our human mind has trouble fathoming, that's where The Holy Spirit comes in. He will teach you all things.
So please don't think that Jesus is just some might warrior, He's truly God. Maybe if people started to think of the term God as a term that sounds singular but is utilized as a plural "whole". Kind of like the term "company". You can think of company as a singular term, as in, 1 company, but when you inspect the word and understand that it can really be a plural due to many members making up 1 company you'll enter a new understanding... As in, the whole company attended the super (multiple members), instead of, that company is successful. (Spoken as a singular).
Hopefully this helps you or hopefully are least anyone out there possibly reading this.
1 GOD, 3 Members, all equal ownership, different functions working together as a whole.
I can go on forever, but I'll conclude with this, also I encourage anyone to watch any of my sermons and teachings, I'm a bit rough I know, and I'm super blunt, but I'm trying to get people saved and there's limited time, so excuse me if I dislocate your shoulder because I'm trying to pull you out of a vehicle that's about to explode, I'd rather put you in shock to save your life instead of wasting time being delicate that could cost you your life. Your shoulder will be bruised but it will heal, but hey atleast you're alive, figuratively speaking of course...
It was removed from the bible as fabrication 😂😂😂
Excellent points! That the word “God” never once means a tripersonal being anywhere in Scripture (and yet thousands upon thousands of times clearly means the Father) should cause all T’s to pause with their dogmatic anathemas, but…here we are. Apparently you can’t be a Christian unless you believe a false view of God and His Christ. Ridiculous, but it really is the theological state of affairs we find ourselves in.
I cringe because I used to condemn others when I was Trinitarian, but now it’s painfully obvious that “Orthodoxy” breaks the clear commands of Yahweh (the Shema and others) and teachings of Jesus to uphold their manmade traditions.
HEAR O' ISRAEL THE ( LORD)OUR (GOD) IS ONE (LORD). (3) PERSON, (1) GOD. DEUTERONOMY 6:4, MARK 12:29, IN COLOSSIANS 2:9
Well done. I actually ended up watching that three times in a row (no pun intended)
I have a question about the Greek grammar and the punctuation of Philippians 2:7. Since there were no punctuations in the Greek manuscripts, is it possible that Paul's first thought in verse 6 and 7 ends at the form of a servant and a new sentence and thought would start at "being made in the likeness of men..."? Verse 8 starts with the word "And" which continues the thought from the end of verse 7. So is it more plausible that Paul would start a new sentence with "and" or that "and" is a continuation from the sentence starting in verse 7 at "being made"?
Great question. It is not crystal clear. However, my tendency would be to understand the "kai" "and" to be starting a new sentence, not just a continuation of verse 7. The reason being is that in Greek, they wouldn't really do what we do sometimes in English with lists. In English we often will say, "X, Y, and Z" but in Greek they would typically only say, "X, Y, Z" or "X, and Y, and Z." They wouldn't just put the "and" for the last phrase in the list. So, Phil. 2:7 has, "participial phrase, participial phrase, AND participial phrase." My tendency would be to say that the AND starts a new thought.
@@biblicalunitarian thank you for your response.
John 20 28 and 29 shows Thomas calling Jesus as his Lord and his God.....
According to Jesus, in John a few chapters earlier, he explained when you see him you see the one who sent him.
As the Apostle Paul wrote “God was in Christ.”
No, three verses later the writer stated he wrote this gospel to show that Jesus is the Christ. The Son of God. Thomas recognized Jesus as his Lord and the Father as his God that raised Jesus from the dead.
Jesus said “I have been given all authority in heaven and Earth” he also said the Father has given all judgement to the Son for the father judges no man. Only God can judge therefore Jesus is God. Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God and he is The Word made flesh and it is clear “the Word was God” and without him there was nothing made that was made. Jesus is the temple of The Father (mind) The Son (flesh) and The Holy Spirit (soul/spirit). One God, one Man, one spirit all in the person of Jesus of Nazareth who is the Christ and firstborn.
@@jaxfax220 O my God, you are so deluded. The Fact the Father had to give the Son anything shows the Son isn't God. God can give the ability to judge to whoever he wants. Everything Jesus has was given to him by the Father. God doesn't need to be given anything. Jesus is a man. God is not a man. God is a spirit. Jesus said he was not a spirit even after he was resurrected. Jesus has a God even after his resurrection. Ephesians 1:3 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ".
@@jaxfax220 Firstborn of the dead. Firstborn of the new creation. Born, died, these are things the immortal LORD God does not do. Jesus is God’s only created by the seed of the woman (begotten) son.
Jesus is our elder brother, his God is our God, his Father is our Father. John 20.
It was going good until he said Jesus wasn’t god lol
Do you think Jesus thought he was God in John 17:3?
@@biblicalunitarian Jesus Christ is God the father in the flesh , and he was always giving glory to his spirit , because what did Christ Jesus claim before Abraham was born I Am, and that’s Jehovahs name so do the math 🧮
So you are a modalist?
@@biblicalunitarian now I am
@@spiritualwarriormagestry4203 I was raised a Modalist, remember that religion is only 150 years old and... Upon several years of research I realized Biblical Unitarianism, is as old as the Bible. 🤗
Oh my, this comment section really is something else, they believe Paul was a false apostle, Unitarians, what’s next your gonna tell me Muhammad was a great guy? Or that everyone goes to heaven? Geez, it’s not like we baptize people in the name of the father, son, Holy Spirit. Or that the WORD, is God, and was with God since the beginning. The research people claim to do is so one sided, there is not a single verse in the Bible that points to Jesus not being God, there are plenty that do point to that.
Return to the Catholic Church, you will learn the truth, God is 1 in 3
Do you guys ever read about church fathers? Do you guys know anything other than sacred scriptures?
St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Justin Martyr both expressed ideas of the trinity
The only reason it wasn’t mainstream until 400 AD is because we didn’t have a council to express the idea
This is one of the worst heresies, even so far as to say none of the Unitarians are saved
If Paul were alive today, he would run you guys over like Jesus did to the Jews
We see the triune God in the Old Testament
Read proverbs 30
Or genesis 1:26 “let US make man in OUR likeness according to OUR image” even the original Hebrew agrees
Isaiah 6:3 “And they were calling to one another,. ‘holy, holy, holy, is the lord the almighty, the whole earth is of his glory” threefold repetition, 3 is always seen as a number of God because he is 3, not 3 gods, but 3 essences in one God.
Isaiah 48:16-Come near to me, listen to this: 'From the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time it came to be, I have been there.' And now the Lord God has sent me, and his Spirit."
In this verse, there is mention of the Lord God, the speaker (often interpreted as the Messiah), and His Spirit. this is an implicit reference to the Trinity
You believe in false teachers, but not the teachers who have been ordained through a line leading back to ST. Peter! You have no follow of sacred tradition, the LORD our God has gifted many Christian’s with discernment, and seeing some of you guys not see the false teachings people have made is depressing, repent to the Lord our God,
Have any of you read the gospel according to John? The most heavily researched, most evidence packed, most revealing gospel??
John 1:1
John 14:16-17, 26
1 Peter 1:2
Collisians 2:9
Revelation 1:4-5
Revelation 5:6-7
Lies and deceit is all you will learn from human lips, but from the mouth of God you will learn all, return to the Catholic Church, for the day of judgement will come any day, for nobody knows the hour, but for all we know it could be tomorrow
This should be pinned.
I agree with you that God is one God and 3 persons, The Word proves that countless amounts of times, and anyone that teaches against The Trinity is a liar and a false teacher that's led by the spirit of the antichrist. But I also must say that I disagree with you about the Catholic church. Catholicism is full of idolatry, graven images, false worship, and blasphemy, therefore, catholisim is demonic and also led by the spirit of the antichrist.
God doesn't want anyone giving ANY glory or forms of glory to Mary, the saints, or angels. Praying to mary or saints or angels is a lie from the pits of hell. So, please, turn away from catholisim and begin to worship God The Father, God The Son, and God The Holy Ghost in Spirit and truth. Catholicism is rooted in Roman paganism and absolutely man made traditions. The consecration of the eucharist and transubstantiaton is completely blasphemous. the pope calling himself head of the church is blasphemous. Catholicism is a demonic false religion that glorifies satan and it turns people away from God Most High. Again, do not pray to Mary, do not pray to angels, and do not pray to saints, you're glorifying satan when you do that because you're supposed to pray to God in Jesus's Holy Name by The Power of The Holy Spirit.
Catholicism is satanism.
Catholicism puts Catholic traditions on the same level as Scripture which is an abomination. The Word of God proves this numerous amounts of times. Please seek the real truth and get deliverance. Every time you say hale Mary you're worshipping satan whether you realize it or not. Please stop, it's not too late.
@@megamix7510The Trinity is The Truth, 1 GOD in 3 persons, The Word proves this many times, but catholicism is a false religion that's rooted in Roman paganism and it gives God's due Glory to Mary, angels, and saints. God hates that and wants to spew it up like vomit.
We're supposed to worship God in Spirit and truth, we're not suppose to pray to Mary or angels or saints, it's wrong and idolatry. Catholicism is just as led by the spirit of the antichrist like this guy in this video is that speaks against The Trinity.
Glory be to God Most High in The Name of Jesus The Christ, by The Power of The Holy Spirit!!! Forever and ever! AMEN!!!
@@davethesid8960The Trinity is Truth! 1 GOD, 3 Persons! The scriptures prove this. But catholisim is demonic and full of blasphemous acts of idolatry, graven images, and false worship. Please do not support catholisim, it hurts God's feelings and makes Him want to vomit. He's a jealous God, and anyone that thinks it's ok to pray to Mary or pray to angels, or pray to saints is ABSOLUTLEY wrong and they're giving satan glory. The pope is an abomination and he seeks his own glory on his demonic throne. Please know the truth.
@@megamix7510 Roman Catholicism is a man made religion that serves traditions and rituals instead of God, in ancient times Constantine wanted to blend multiple territories to gain further control and increase his false power, so he blended paganism with catholisim and created this abomination that many serve today.
Catholisim is a spin off of paganism with their idol worship, rituals, signifying a "queen of heaven"... graven images, their ritualistic attire and dress... the cross and crucifix is a pagan symbol used to worship their sun god. the symbol is a graven image and it was already being used in ancient times before Jesus was born. Catholics pray to the dead, that's paganism, the glorifying of a queen of heaven, that's paganism, their symbols of crosses, pine cones, the pope seated on a throne, that's paganism...it's all false worship and demonic. Christmas(Christ mass) is paganism, just like most other holidays... Especially easter... satan has figured out how to take God's Truth and twist it up so much to keep people deceived and it's heart breaking.
It's difficult to say every detail that I want to over this text because I explain much better with my voice, but I'm pretty sure I've gotten atleast a good fraction of information across.
Spiritual gold man, the word of God would make alot more sense to people if this man made doctrine (the trinity) was exposed and done away with. Great sharing man!
I agree!
I wonder if the uploader could comment if I am close to the mark on John 1:1 in that I think Jesus is the living word and because Jesus was a representative for God and declared God that THAT'S why "God was the Word" because Jesus spoke of God for God. ?
Yes, I do think one of the reasons John uses "Word" to describe Jesus, is because he expresses God (John 1:18). I personally think "God was the Word" would be a bad translation for reasons I've pointed out in other videos.
It’s sad to see another pseudo Christian lose his way
@@Badkharma21 Trinity is Hindu, not Christian doctrine.
@@sfbmod lol not true at all. Read the Bible
@BagDiscEnergy they are ignorant, it's like talking with mormons, - pointless
@@BagDiscEnergy it's a man made word for a pagan concept. The Bible says there is only one God, not 3.
We love you even though you persecute us and act derogatory towards us.
Last year I had a lot of time on my hands and was able to study the trinity. I prayed earnestly and fervently to God to guide my steps and open my eyes to the truth. I looked at the verses, compared interpretations, and even looked at it from an outside perspective, ie. what's more likely the case? Overwhelmingly, there was next to nothing in favour of the trinity. A lot of trinitarian 'gotchya' passages are just grossly misinterpreted. Ironing out the trinity passages, there was nothing left. I became a Biblical Unitarian not because of the obvious Unitarian passages and the incredible mental gymnastics of the trinity, but because these trinitarian passages... didn't teach a trinity. John 1:1.... definitely not a passage the Unitarians shout upon the roof tops, but when you read the start of Mark and Luke, and Johns epistles, it becomes clear how unlikely, irresponsible and absurd the trinity interpretation is of John 1:1. Same with John 8:58. I don't go to these passages and say 'actually it teaches Unitarianism', I go o these passages and say 'actually that's not what it says'.
By the end of it, this doctrine of the trinity had no legs to stand on. In fact, the biggest trinitarian pillars weren't... actually... trinitarian. There left but one option left... Jesus was the Son of God, and God was the Father, no secret meaning.
The trinity is not parsimonious.
The trinity is not easy understanding.
The trinity is unnatural to the human mind.
The trinity is not rational, logical, or probable.
The trinity takes philosophical training to begin to comprehend it.
Biblical Unitarianism draws the line with God the Father, and Jesus the Son.
Judaism vehemently rejects the idea of a triune god.
If you don't agree with us, then pray for us.
Pray for yourself, and analyse the two side by side, verse by verse, argument by argument.
Dear brother,
Please read Qur'an.
Muslims firmly believe that God is one and Jesus is messenger of God
Thankyou for this teaching and for standing against the trinity!
Have you researched the issues with Paul? It's similar to stopping believing in Trinity when it comes to initial shock.
@@wserthmar8908 no I haven't, what issues are you referring to?
@@JoshuaMadsen , there are too many of them, but among the issues are his questionable, confusing teachings, that lead to problems in Christianity as a whole.
@@JoshuaMadsen youtube.com/@jesuswordsonly?feature=shared
@@JoshuaMadsen youtube.com/@jesuswordsonly?feature=shared
“Let them know that you alone, whose name is Adonai, are the Most High over all the earth.”
Tehillim (Psa) 83:19 CJB.
“The earth’s kings are taking positions, leaders conspiring together, against Adonai and his anointed.”
Tehillim (Psa) 2:2 CJB
““‘You are Adonai, you alone. You made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their array, the earth and all the things that are in it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve them all. The army of heaven worships you.”
Nechemyah (Neh) 9:6 CJB
If God is a trinity jews should knew it long time before Christianism. For Jesus Said in John 4: 22 " we (jews) Know WHO we adore".
@@luguetm4864 are you forgetting about what it talks about in the book of Romans were the partial Harding happened to Israel? They’ve been blinded to the truth.
@@Mike-bc2wq they were blinded to the truth regarding Jesus being the Mashiah not to the truth about who is God.
You cannot contradict Jesus when he said Jews know who they adore. Either Jesus said the truth or he lied.
@@luguetm4864 Jesus told the truth about everything that’s why he is God and the son of God and the Messiah
@@Mike-bc2wq You cannot be God and the son of God at the same time. Son means Son. Why is Jesus the Son ? Acts 13:33 ...as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee
Jesus was begotten, which is brought into existence by the Father, that the reason He is the Son Of God as testified by scriptures. You, trinitarians, interpret this begetting as a so-called eternally begotten. This is a non sens language not found in the Bible. Two opposite words put together to fill in the gap in your theology. If you're begotten you are not eternal and vice versa.
Also you are just ignoring the fact that Mashiah means anointed. God did not anoint Himself.
Trying to correct Jesus own words on Jews regarding the knowledge of the Tru God is really what you are doing. Jews know the one true God better any Christian. BUT They didn't RECOGNISE Jesus as The Mashiah of God. That all.
@@luguetm4864 you’re kind of an arrogant individual to think that you can figure out God that’s arrogance am not gonna worship God that I can know everything about because that’s what makes him God because he knows more than I do and you put together so quit being so arrogant you think you have all the answers but you know nothing nothing put in a little box that’s all you’re doing he can’t do this. He can’t do that. You can’t be gone in the sun at the same time you don’t understand it. The reason you don’t understand it is cause you don’t have the Holy Spirit help you see things in a spiritual light, get on your knees ask God to forgive you repent to your sins your arrogance and He will enlighten you answer me this who is the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament? Who is it come on, buddy answer.
Unless you believe that God, the Lamb, and the river of the water of life are all the same person in Rev 22.1, it is misleading, if not altogether inaccurate, to claim that "every time a throne is pictured throughout the Bible, there's one person seated at the throne." We also shouldn't dismiss that the Lamb is seated at the center of the throne in Rev. 7.17, in addition to the references to Jesus being at the right hand of God.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." I think its splitting hairs about the specifics of the trinity but I'm most alarmed at is 5:40 you say Jesus doesn't believe he is God. and 6:45 when you say the new testament authors don't think Jesus is God. I apologize but you are incredibly off base and incorrect. Spreading false information is dangerous to those seeking the truth and should be taken down.
John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Jesus calls himself "I am" which is how God referred to himself when speaking to Moses in Exodus 3:14
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God." John proclaimed Jesus to be God...
John 20:27 "Then [Jesus] said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Thomas proclaimed Jesus to be God...
2 Peter 1:1 "To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with outs by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." Peter proclaimed Jesus to be God...
When God spoke to Moses from the angel in the burning bush He said "ego eimi ho on." which is "I am the everlasting God." So only in english does this I AM nonsense work sort of. The actual name God used in the bush was "on" not "ego eimi." So though you have been told that "I am" is a sacred name of God, it is a tradition of church, not the scriptural truth. Simple check up on the language it was translated from shows the truth. It has nothing to do with previous existence.
@@TFett007 1 John 5:7 is forgery
@@ken440 Exodus was written in Hebrew. You say to check the language it was translated from but give a Greek translation of the wrong verse.
A corrupted verse that is not in the original text. Everyone knows but you. Go do some research and teach what the Bible actually says. Not what yall have attempted to make it say by altering the word of God.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma#:~:text=It%20may%20first%20be%20noted,additions%20to%20the%20original%20text.
Still relying on lies to tell what you claim is the truth.
@@Mr.ICE-BEAR I can see you chose not the acknowledge that verse as truth. For the sake of argument let’s remove 1 John 5:7-8 from the equation. There are still plenty of verses referring to the Holy Spirit and Jesus as God. Are you saying you do not believe Jesus is Lord or what dont you agree with exactly?
In your view then who is the Father the Son or the Holy Spirit?
The Father is God, the son is the Son of God (the human Messiah), and the Holy Spirit is God's spirit, not a separate person from God.
@@biblicalunitarian so in your view (please correct me if I’m mistaken) the father is God and the Holy Spirit is the same thing as the father it’s just describing his spirit and Jesus is just a man.
@@air544 Essentially yes. But Trinitarians (I'm not sure if you're Trinitarian) have a habit of just calling the Jesus of Unitarianism a mere man. Yes, he is a human by nature, but I don't know one Unitarian who thinks of him in a "mere" way. He was born of a virgin, sinless, empowered by God (specially), resurrected, and sits at the right hand of God given ALL authority on heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18), and is our Lord. I certainly wouldn't call him "just a man."
@@biblicalunitarian yes I am a trinitarian
I am very curious about different denominations of Christianity I try to learn in a respectful way and try to disagree in such manner.
@@air544 Thanks for your questions, I think what you're doing is praiseworthy
God is a family, Father and Son. We will be children of God.
Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons of God, Romans 8:29 He is my elder brother, a human like us all, he without sin. And his God and Father is my God and Father, amazing grace. John 20:17
Interesting. These are the same usual objections brought up that seem to ignore the preponderance of evidence for the Trinity in the Bible. These have all been answered extremely thoroughly not just now, but throughout the centuries. I’m all for the search, but I think you have to be honest with what’s actually there in the Bible and not just ignore all of the evidence that the Bible makes clear about the Trinity.
Much respect to your reverence for the Word of God and how you seemingly hold it as your authority. I would say to not let your presuppositions rule over what’s actually right in front of you.
God bless you man, and I mean that in all sincerity 🙏🏾
Great one bro. You have a heap of critics at work here today, not many of who can see the truth.
Although it should be noted that Jesus said many times that he came forth from the father. And he is the image of the invisible God. He is most definitely set apart and distinguished and unique like Adam.
The Father is God.
Jesus, the Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
God is one.
I say, amen, Lord.
Man has no right to contradict the way God make Himself known in the Bible.
God is Spirit. God is Eternal. God's Way is not human's way. God is the Creator. God is Holy.
Man is a finite, created being who is sinful in his ways in this material created world. There's no way man could cage the Holy God with words and ideas like *Unitary* or *Trinity* ; just so he could make sense in his head the divine Godhead with his natural experience. God is simply God the way He says so in His Word. Humans can't limit His ways! Humans can't contradict God!
I like how you said this. I feel this is accurate because God is the head, the word being Jesus also came from God, and through Jesus's death, the holy Spirit was provided. Plus Jesus spoke both as the son as well as God. I call it the Trinity but I still see the head as the head.
@@Kofever_productions why complicates things? go straight to the source - god. why must you divide his divinity and worship a fragment of his divinity? god is god
Do you guys have an online bible study group? I'm new to the faith and I want to grow spiritually with people who actually make sense.
Yes we do, please check out this page - spiritandtruthonline.org/virtual-groups/
Also, check out this map to see if there are any people close to where you live - www.unitarianchristianalliance.org/membership-map/
@@biblicalunitarian thank you, bless your hearts!
This is heresy. He is one being and three entities in the trinity. To believe this is to believe that God was not in heaven as Jesus was on earth. To believe this is to believe all of Jesus’s prayers were to nobody. Again this is heresy and pulling people from the one true God in the trinity. We’re all sinners, and we must all repent.. please take this video down and study true Christianity
he either did this for views, or he genuinely is lost. either way, he will need to repent. he needs to keep in mind that charlatans will be judged more severely in the next life.
True Christianity is what Jesus and the apostles taught. Nowhere did they teach that the one God is three persons.
@@LoveAndLiberty02 sure they did. don't be ignorant. read your bible. Christian Standard Bible or King James Version.
@@LoveAndLiberty02 they are 3in1.
@@Badkharma21any of them.
God speaks always through his martyrs . In orthodoxy, people who believed in Trinity , became Holy and Saints and gained Holy “gifts” by God. Some of them gained the gift of healing, others the gift of prophecy and more ….
Only Orthodoxy counts thousands of Saints who can help people with any biological needs, heal them from incurable diseases and lead them to theosis .
Only saints can extract myrrh from their body/bones and they earned it by believing in Trinity.
Great example is Saint Dimitrios who extracts myrrh every year in great amounts . Uncountable people got healed by this myrrh because they also believed in Trinity.
That’s how God explains
That’s how God teach us .
We can’t understand the real meanings of New or Old Testament if the Holy Spirit isn’t present John 14:26
Respectfully, None of what you stated makes the Trinity true. God works despite human weakness. Trinitarians have also done some horrible things like murdering those who disagree with them and burning books, does that make the Trinity false? No, I think there are other reasons why it is false. I hope you are able to distinguish between good and bad reasons for believing something.
Nobody can reach God unless they do it through Jesus (John 14:6) . This is the first chain of the Trinity .
The Holy Spirit is a gift of God. As soon as God gives us such a gift we cannot deny it because it would be a blasphemy (Mark 3:28) . Holy Spirit has a great importance in the Old and New Testament. We can see that Holy Spirit is the third Person/Chain of the Trinity at the moment of Christ’s’ baptism (Matthew 3:11-17)
That simple
The truth is that Trinity gives life , speaks straight in our souls.
By denying the healing effects of saints who became vessel of the Holy Spirit and accusing others for facts that aren’t historically approved, doesn’t make people stand in the “right side of the story “
Anyone who decides to reach God , can reach Him only through Jesus by the narrow street (Matthew 7:13-14)
The hardest way to reach God is through Orthodoxy and only by humiliating ourselves (Louk 18:9-14)
There is no other way
Yeah buddy, you win the jackpot after 6000 years. You’re the first person to come up with this. He’s not a Trinity please. you need to do some more digging in your Bible like early believers did
@@Mike-bc2wq why do you laugh at this belief? There's nothing wrong about seeking the truth
@@wserthmar8908 you’re not seeking!!!!
Early believers never preached trinity.
Early believers never preached trinity.
Early believers never preached trinity.
If God isn't a liar and HE tells us plainly He will share His glory with no other... then what is HE doing sharing His glory with Jesus..unless Jesus is in fact God?Isaiah 42:8 KJV - I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Hebrews 1:6 KJV - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Great point.
John 17:5 KJV
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
@@ant4186 that makes for at least TWO GODS or Two Persons of God as The Father has His "Own Self".
And look how The Father doesn't say "my Angels".... but "Angels of God"
The Father is showing us there is more to God than just Himself-->
Hebrews 1:6 KJV - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
@@davidcrane6593
Two persons communicating with each other and both are God yes.
John 10:30 KJV
I and my Father are one.
@@ant4186 one Holy God....the Father speaksc of The..... SONS..... THRONE in HEAVEN... -->
Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
The Father speaks of THE ....SONS..... KINGDOM OF HEAVEN...."THY KINGDOM".......-->Hebrews 1:8 KJV - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
@@ant4186 since ONLY God is Holy... Holy can one blaspheme the Holy Spirit and say HE is not God?
David calls The Holy Spirit "The God of Israel" that
.."HE" spoke thru him. 2 SAM 23:
2The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
3The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
0:02 yeah the God of the Bible is the God of Islam.
- O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger making clear to you much of what you used to conceal of the Scripture and overlooking much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book.
- O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you…
- O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?
(Qur’aan)
God is singular; but consists of three essences. God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three were present at Creation and were in perfect communion long before our universe was created.
Doesn’t say that anywhere it the Bible.
Eisegesis is the process of interpreting a text by introducing one's own ideas, biases, or agendas. It's also known as reading into the text. The word comes from the Greek words eis meaning "into" and exegesis.
@@Mr.ICE-BEAR get behind me Satan
@@Badkharma21you reject Jesus own words. That’s what he would say to you I agree.
Is to not you who has come to attack those here. They didn’t go attack you. So I see hate and anger fills your heart. Repent. You are wolves in sheep’s clothing looking to attack others.
Your view is still heretical according to traditional doctrine which states that God is one essence in three persons, not three essences
Consider how a human can be one entity yet consist of three distinct aspects: the soul, mind, and body-three essential elements that define our existence. God created us in His image, for He too embodies three distinct characteristics. May God guide you on your journey to understanding this profound mystery.
That’s Partialism Patrick!
God is united that's why, Trinity is the truth
What verse?is the trinity?triune?god the son.?3gods?show the verse please..
@@christopherfaustino8318 There are multiple verses where God uses a plural form, so for unitarians, it doesn't work. However, for trinitarism, both work because God is united and triune, I'd love to debate some time ❤
🧿 The word Elohim is used thousands of times for “God”; Adonai is used hundreds of times for “Lord”; both of these words are plural nouns in Hebrew.
🧿 A number of passages speak of the “faces” or “presences” or “persons” of God (Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 4:37; and Job 13:8).
🧿 God refers to Himself as “Us,” “Our,” and “We” (Genesis 1:26, 2:18 (LXX), 3:22, 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, and 41:21-24),2 a phenomenon that is reflected in virtually every English translation.
🧿 The OT says of God, “they caused me to wander” (Genesis 20:13), “they appeared” (Genesis 35:7), “they drew nigh” (Deuteronomy 4:7), “they went” (2 Samuel 7:23), and “they judge” (Psalm 58:11).
🧿 The OT calls God our “Creators” (Ecclesiastes 12:1), “Makers” and “Husbands” (Job 35:10; Psalm 149:2; Isaiah 54:5).
🧿 The OT says that God is “holy” (Joshua 24:19; Proverbs 9:10, 30:33), another plural.
Before you ask, you have to read Interlinears to realise the Hebrew words are what I'm saying they are.
And for serious people looking, not like this ignoramus in this video, analyze the following:
🔮🔮🔮The Three Creators 🔮🔮🔮
🌍 YHWH the Father = Isaiah 64:8
🌎 Word of YHWH = Psalm 33:6 (John 1:1-3)
🌏 Spirit of YHWH = Job 33:4
✨✨ God, God and God ✨✨
🪀 Genesis 48:15-16
🪀 Numbers 6:24-26
🪀 Isaiah 6:3
🪀 Isaiah 33:22
🪀 Jeremiah 33:2
🪀 Daniel 9:19
🪀 Genesis 1:27 - see the triadic nature of Moses reiterating that God created, created, created. 3 and only 3!
✨✨ Yahweh and Yahweh ✨✨
🔮 Genesis 19:24 (cf. Amos 4:10-11; Is. 13:17-19; Jer. 50:40)
🔮 Hosea 1:6-7
🔮 Exodus 19:9-20:3
🔮 Zechariah 2:8-11 (cf. Zech. 1:7-13 & 4:8-9) God sent by God like how the Word (a.k.a Angel) is sent.
✨✨ God - We, Us, Our ✨✨
📀 Genesis 1:26
📀 Genesis 2:18
📀 Genesis 3:22
📀 Genesis 11:7
📀 Isaiah 6:8
📀 Isaiah 41:21-23
✨✨ God - Our Creators ✨✨
🔮 Ecclesiastes 12:1 - Creators
🔮 Job 35:10 · Psalm 149:2 · Isaiah 54:5 - Makers and Husbands
🔮 Joshua 24:19 · Proverbs 9:10, 30:33 - The Holy Ones
🔵🔴🔵 The Angel of Yahweh🔵🔴🔵
🧿Genesis 16:7-14
🧿Genesis 22:1-2, 11-12
🧿Genesis 28:10-22 cf. Gen. 31:10-13 & Gen. 35:1
🧿Genesis 32:22-30 cf. Hosea 12:2-5
🧿Genesis 48:15-16
🪀Exodus 3:1-15
🪀Exodus 13:21 cf. Exodus 14:19
🪀Exodus 23:20-23
📀Numbers 22:31 cf. Joshua 5:13-15 & Exodus 3:2-5 (Rev. 19:12-20)
🔮Judges 6:20-23
🔮Judges 13:17-23
📀Zechariah 1:7-13 (cf. John 1:1)
⚫🔵⚫ The Spirit of Yahweh ⚫🔵⚫
✨Is He God?✨
🪀 2 Samuel 23:2-3
🪀 Acts 5:3-4
🪀 Isaiah 6:9-11 cf. Acts 28:25-27
✨Is He a Person✨
🧿 Micah 2:7
🧿 Acts 5:3
🧿 Isaiah 63:10 cf. Psalm 78:40
🧿 Ephesians 4:30
🧿 John 16:7-15
🧿 Additional readings on the Holy Spirit: Nehemiah 9:20; Job 26:13, 33:4; Psalm 104:30, 106:32-33, 139:1-24, 143:10; 2 Samuel 23:1-3; Isaiah 11:2, 40:13; Ezekiel 11:5; Micah 2:7
These are just from the Old Testament. If you want more of these, ask. I've organised them neatly so that you can get the point easily and also memorise it easily, but remember, you'll need something like Biblehub to not miss the plural nouns etc. “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen."
- 2 Corinthians 13:14 (KJV)
Oops, I just *unknowingly* proved the Trinity by invoking (i.e., praying to) the trinity. The Bible's truly miraculous. Glory to the Father, Son, Holy Spirit!!!
@@RebiwGiant-um8vp in these verses, I see no mention of the elaborate Trinitarian doctrine that was created in the 4th century
@@wserthmar8908 I'll repost my earlier comment though the fraud deleted the earlier one:
🔮🔮🔮The Three Creators🔮🔮🔮
🌍 YHWH the Father = Isaiah 64:8
🌎 Word of YHWH = Psalm 33:6 (cf. John 1:1-3)
🌏 Spirit of YHWH = Job 33:4
✨✨ God, God and God ✨✨
🪀 Genesis 48:15-16
🪀 Numbers 6:24-26
🪀 Isaiah 6:3
🪀 Isaiah 33:22
🪀 Jeremiah 33:2
🪀 Daniel 9:19
🪀 Genesis 1:27 - God created, created, created.
✨✨ Yahweh and Yahweh ✨✨
🔮 Genesis 19:24 (cf. Amos 4:10-11; Is. 13:17-19; Jer. 50:40)
🔮 Hosea 1:6-7
🔮 Exodus 19:9-20:3
🔮 Zechariah 2:8-11 (cf. Zech. 1:7-13 & 4:8-9) God sent by God like how the Word (a.k.a Angel) is sent.
✨✨ God - We, Us, Our ✨✨
📀 Genesis 1:26
📀 Genesis 2:18
📀 Genesis 3:22
📀 Genesis 11:7
📀 Isaiah 6:8
📀 Isaiah 41:21-23
✨✨ God - Our Creators ✨✨
🔮 Ecclesiastes 12:1 - Creators
🔮 Job 35:10 · Psalm 149:2 · Isaiah 54:5 - Makers and Husbands
🔮 Joshua 24:19 · Proverbs 9:10, 30:33 - The Holy Ones
🔵🔴🔵 The Angel of Yahweh🔵🔴🔵
🧿Genesis 16:7-14
🧿Genesis 22:1-2, 11-12
🧿Genesis 28:10-22 cf. Gen. 31:10-13 & Gen. 35:1
🧿Genesis 32:22-30 cf. Hosea 12:2-5
🧿Genesis 48:15-16
🪀Exodus 3:1-15
🪀Exodus 13:21 cf. Exodus 14:19
🪀Exodus 23:20-23
📀Numbers 22:31 cf. Joshua 5:13-15 & Exodus 3:2-5
🔮Judges 6:20-23
🔮Judges 13:17-23
📀Zechariah 1:7-13 (cf. John 1:1)
⚫🔵⚫ The Spirit of Yahweh ⚫🔵⚫
✨Is He God?✨
🪀 2 Samuel 23:2-3
🪀 Acts 5:3-4
🪀 Isaiah 6:9-11 cf. Acts 28:25-27
✨Is He a Person✨
🧿 Micah 2:7
🧿 Acts 5:3
🧿 Isaiah 63:10 cf. Psalm 78:40
🧿 Ephesians 4:30
🧿 John 16:7-15
🧿 Additional information: Nehemiah 9:20; Job 26:13, 33:4; Psalm 104:30, 106:32-33, 139:1-24, 143:10; 2 Samuel 23:1-3; Isaiah 11:2, 40:13; Ezekiel 11:5; Micah 2:7
After all those years of research and prayer you still went with your feelings, instead of the word of God.
Genesis 1:26 ESV - Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Replacing words in the bible with the word trinity, proves nothing.
However, it does show your ignorance of language functions and syntax.
I mean I can do the same thing with the word God.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the God, and the God was with God, and the Word was God.
See what that becomes?
Ridiculous argument.
Also, we know that God is a spirit.
John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
We also know that there is The Holy Spirit.
Matthew 12:32 ESV - And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
So if God is a spirit, how can God have a spirit?
Using your replacement tactic, anytime we read in the bible "the spirit of God", acording to your logic we should be reading the spirit of the spirit, and that to you makes a lot more sense, than acknowledging God, and The Holy Spirit as two persons in one God.
Matthew 3:16-17 ESV - And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”
The two verses right above, clearly say The Holy Spirit descended like a dove and rested on Lord Jesus, while a voice from heaven said "this is my beloved Son..."
Obviously that was The Father, because the voice calls Lord Jesus, its Son.
According to your logic, - that God is not triune - God descended from heaven in the form of a dove, and rested on Lord Jesus, but left His voice in heaven so He can speak from above.
If that is the case, then I must ask:
Is The Father knowledgeable enough to take the shape of a dove but not knowledgeable enough to also talk through the bird?
Demons can posses a body, and speak through the same body.
Are you saying The Father is incapable of possessing a body and speak through that body?
If you are not saying that The Father is incapable of such acts, then please explain why The Father descended in the form of a dove without His voice.
Also, why would Lord Jesus say to make desciples and to baptize them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Why not in the name of God?
Matthew 28:18-20 ESV - And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
The kind of approach you and other "Christians" are taking, is the same approach the religious Jews, aka the Pharisees, took 2000 years ago, and missed The Messiah because they were wanting so much to be right, and everyone else to be wrong.
I did not go with my feelings, were any of my points based off of feelings? All of them were based on scripture.
I'm not replacing words in the Bible, I'm replacing the word "God" with the word "Trinity" because that is the Trinitarian definition of God. This is how definitions work, you can replace a word with its definition.
For example with the word "jump" which means to "push oneself off of a surface" I can replace the word with its definition. In the sentence, "Michael jumped over the puddle" I can replace with, "Michael pushed himself off of a surface over the puddle."
But if you cannot replace a word with it's definition, you might have the wrong definition.
@@biblicalunitarianYou are being very dishonest.
The trinitarian definition of God is not trinity.
Trinity is a doctrine, not a definition.
You saying that the word trinity is a definition, does not make it so.
So if you want to continue deceiving yourself and others, keep thinking and keep teaching others that the word trinity is a definition.
However, if you want to be sincere, but still want to continue your replacement tactic, the you can use Triune God for each of your replacements in the video.
Don't pose on the internet as a Christian, if you're going to use deception to prove yourself right.
Like the rest of us, you will be held accountable for your actions and words.
Think deeply about that moment,
and then think deeply how you are edifying the body of Christ, or rather how you are destroying it, with this false teaching which you accepted from other false teachers, and you are now regurgitating it.
I am not trying to be mean to you, to tear you down, or to hate on you.
On the contrary, I am harsh with you, because you are teaching a false teaching, and you are leading many astray, and that causes a lot of hurt and division in the body of Christ, and my hope is to use my words to shake you and wake you up.
: Since when did "us" mean three ?
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq Since when did it mean one?
@@Xhopp3r : LOL ! 'Us' doesn't mean one. It suggests more than one. That is why standard commentaries note that God is addressing others such as the Sons of God or his only-begotten Son. It does not imply a compound unity. Genesis is part of the Jewish scriptures and the Jews understand God to be a singular being, not a triune one, hence the thousands of singular peronal pronouns and verbs.
Yeah what happens when you don’t read the whole Bible
Jesus absolutely calls himself God. That's why they crucified him for blasphemy. It why he accepts worship, while angels reject worship since they are not God.
John 1.1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." If Jesus Christ was God from the beginning, but was also with God, there must be a plurality of persons - how else can you be with someone you also are?
Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness"; John 1.3 "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being" - while God was creating, he said "let US, in OUR image, to OUR likeness", and Jesus was present for that conversation since all things came into being through Him - it was he, and the Spirit of God (who was brooding over the waters) whom the Father was addressing.
So how come Jn8:40? Acts2:22,?? 1Tim2:5???
@@xaelath7771 If he claimed this, jews would stone him. Romans didn't care about some lunatic saying he is god. Crucifiction is a punishment given to crimes against the state, such as claiming to be king of the jews.
"Is it not written that you are gods? Why then do you stone me because I say I AM THE SON OF GOD?"
Dear brother, Jesus did not admit to being God. He admitted to being the Son of God. The Jews, are the ones who misunderstood Jesus, which is exactly what you are doing too.
@@xaelath7771 and Jesus called himself a "son of man." implying he is that promised descendant of Eve, who was told a seed from her would bruise the serpents head. Which in other words destroy the "works" (the head dreams up evil works) of the devil. (gen3:15. "the seed of the woman will bruise the head of the serpent.... a promise that one of Eves offspring would be the messiah.... anointed one)
Eve being the flower from which mankind has sprung (after its kind).
@@johncena12366 The Jews attempted to stone Jesus multiple times, but each time he managed to escape, because it was not yet his time. So your claim actually strengthens my case.
The Jews pressured Pilate into executing Jesus by calling him an enemy of Ceasar, but the reason they finally handed him over to the Romans is because, during his trial before the Sanhedrin, he claimed to be God. Then the high priest tore his clothes and said "What further need do we have of witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?"
Just some food for thought. Written about 700-900 years prior to the existence of Jesus
“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?”
Proverbs 30:4 KJV
Did God just attach Godly attributes to another being, and did he said it was his Son?
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
Did God say in a future event, a child will be born whom will be called "the mighty God"?
Nope, read Proverbs 30:4 carefully. "His name" refers to God who was just described (i.e. God), and "his son's name" refers to another being (likely Israel) who is not God. In the Old Testament, the Lord brought Israel into existence and named his firstborn (cf. Exod. 4:22; Deut. 14:1; 32:5-6, 18-19; Isa. 43:6; 45:11; 63:16; 64:8; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:20; Hos. 11:1). Proverbs 30:4 does not list any attributes of the son, but the attributes of God who has a son.
And no, Isaiah 9:6 is not calling the future child, "the Mighty God", it is a theophoric name, a name that describes God, not the child, just as 80% of Hebrew names were. Elijah - my God is Yahweh, Joshua - Yahweh is salvation, etc. See here for more info. - www.revisedenglishversion.com/comm/Isa/9/6
@@biblicalunitarian “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”
Isaiah 53:3, 5-6, 9, 12 KJV
The bible very clearly uses "He" a lot, singular, not a nation like Israel. It literally says he was burried with 2, a wicked and a poor person, who did Jesus get burried next to. You can try to run from truth all you want, I really don't see why you'd avoid it but hey, no point in debate brother.
"For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them"
Matt 13:17
God is a trinity.
Father, The Son and the Holy spirit. They are all God and there is only one God.
Nice gnostic belief, too bad it isn't supported by scripture :(
Founded by a pagan emperor evolved over years and years.
One scripture that teaches a triune God? A scripture were Jesus or the apostles taught a Trinity?
@@1trueGodtheFather I watched many scholarship videos my conslusion is Jesus didn't claim to be God. But there is something called progressive revelation. God has revelaed truths to church over time. It is a biblical view also. Here Jesus says "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you."
If you are right and trinity is false then you must accept Holy spirit didn't guide the church because trinity is the mainstream orthodox belief since the 4th century.
Says who? Use common sense man, How can a person be 3 persons. The Trinity is heretical and unscriptural. It also defies common sense. Not to mention logic dictates there are 2 entities and God's spirit, which isn't a person per se. It makes perfect logical sense that God is senior, Jesus is subordinate and the spirit is the vessel the almighty uses to interact with the mortal realm. .
@@Funny1budgie The H.S. did not guide the 4th century. Satan did.... The early Church didn't believe in the trinity....
I have been enjoying your podcasts , me and another brother have been studying this for over a year now, and we believe in Jesus being the son. But it seems you are missing the whole reason why we need to believe Jesus is the son, please teach on 1 John chapter 4&5 it warns that if we don’t believe the record that God have his only begotten son then we call God a liar. I no now you don’t want to go there but Paul warns that if we preach any other Gospel then it is cursed / double cursed. Plus there is a special reason that Jesus had to shed his blood and why it had to be blood from a man not God,one man sin entered the world and one man Rom 5:12-21. Please discuss why it had to be blood from a man and discuss why believing in the Trinity is calling God a liar.
Thanks! Not really exactly sure about your question, but Hebrews 2:17 says that Jesus had to be like us in every respect...in order to atone for sins. So, his "being human" is absolutely essential to him atoning for our sins. But there is no verse which speaks to his "diety" being necessary to atone for sins. That is a completely foreign concept to the scriptures.
There have been theological arguments for the Trinity since at least 100 AD. This means that Christians were mistaken about their dogma for thousands of years and you just happened to figure out the one thing that theological geniuses like Augustin and Aquinas overlooked or, simply put, your argument is flawed.
geniuses eh? so your faith is in mans genius and not scripture?
@@ken440 I didn’t say that. The OP claims to have “researched and prayed” to discover a major tenet of Christianity is false. This implies the OP knows scripture better than theologians like Augustine. That’s a pretty bold claim in my book.
@@kenndemoll7859 Trinity was first mentioned by Tertullian, and even his Trinity was quite different to the modern concept.
@@wserthmar8908 OP’s claim wasn’t that the dogma of Trinity has changed from
Ancient times. OP’s position is there is no Trinity. This means every major theologian (including the ones who heard the Apostles preach) were wrong on this point and somehow, the OP figured it out. That’s a pretty incredible and bold claim to make.
@@kenndemoll7859 , are you a Protestant? How could have the Reformers get it right then? They also went against some of the Catholic teachings of their time. Reformation was a big deal, and Reformed teachings became popular quite fast.
In the Tanakh, the original Hebrew texts, God is talked about with plural pronouns, though the english translation never mirror that of course. Also, though God is one being, the Godhead is three persons who share the same nature, the same authority and the same mind and thoughts. Hence why Jesus said "The Father and I are one." 2nd video of you that I watched and I wonder what kind of reverend or pastor preached to you.
Isaiah 41:44 I am the first and the last
Revelation 3:8 I am the first and the last, I was dead but am alive
first and last. A to Z. Root to leaf. Alpha to Omega. Not names, but figures of speech meaning fullness of what ever the context is. completeness from beginning to end.
God is fullness of plan of redemption. Jesus is fullness of the actual act of redemption, the lamb provided BY GOD.
God never referred to Himself as a person. Persons in the Bible are humans.
Yes, but in grammar we speak of a "person" as a singular being. Thus, if I say God is one person, I am using that as one "being". I am trying to use the same language that Trinitarians use, so that I can be understood. They speak of "three persons in one essence" meaning "three beings in one essence."
How do I become one with the Father? Because Jesus said "the Father is in me" so where is he?
1) believe in the father and his unicity, that he is "the only true God", and in all the other things you need to believe as a christian, (the angels, the prophets (jesus included) , the old testament, the new testament etc...)
"I am the Lord (God) , and there is no other, besides me there is no God" isaiah (45:5)
2) do good, like praying to the father alone, giving charity and fasting.
and for more detail on this, read matthew 6:1-18
when you pray, do it like jesus did in matthew, by prostrating, puting your face on the ground. and for what to say, say the prayer jesus learned to his disciples: "father hallowed be thy name ... Amen"
"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing" so do what jesus does!! (in the range of your capacity)
now jesus is clear, "you have One Father, in Heaven" so the father is in heaven.
when jesus said 'the father in in me", it is metaphorical, not literal.
@@adamuhaddadi5332 you are a charlatan. the Bible clearly teaches that salvation is a gift from God and works by themselves are useless. You live a very dark life and you will regret these choices in the next life.
John 17:20-22 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
So, the answer to your question is, WE become one with Jesus and his God by believing that YHVH is the only true God, and that Jesus was sent by the only true God..... as the apostles taught.
@@loveofthetruth9398 the light of who I am is my Father (Truth,wisdom etc) those who are not with your understanding are adversary to you. Spiritual minded or carnal minded... which one controls you? The ego is the vail, the adversary, playing devils advocate.. 🤗
@@achildofthelight4725 I'm controlled by a "love of the truth". Jesus made it exquisitely clear, ETERNAL LIFE is at stake:
John 17:3
God cannot DIE therefore Christ cannot be God (Pagan Catholic definition)
I think that you are on the right track, but there are a lot of holes in your theory. BUT, I also think that trinitarians have even more problems with their view.
Greetings all. The Bible references two types of unity: absolute unity and compound unity. The original Hebrew indicates God is a compound unity of three, not an absolute unity of one. The Bible term for God's compound unity is Godhead. God has both oneness and threeness. Both must balance the other.
On other videos i found unitarians believe that Yeshua was created, is that what they belive?
Thats what Gabriel basically said to Mary. And Paul aggrees, saying Jesus is the "last Adam" or "second man" so do you agree the first Adam was created...?
@@ken440 Compare Isaiah 44.7-8, Revelation 1.17-18 its equality, if you state otherwise it is false teaching
@@Pietro_arch well indeed Yeshua was born. Just like all humans are born. He's called Son of Man, he is a human
Ask any trinitarian what makes Jesus a "son" if he is self existing like the Father.
Human sons are of the same nature as their human fathers. If Jesus is the literal Son of God, He would exist eternally like His Father. Human sons don't exist because of their human fathers, they exist because of God, specifically the Father, from whom are all things, and Jesus, through whom are all things (1 Cor. 8.6-7) and in whom all things hold together (Col. 1.17).
Jesus is directly called God in John 20:28, Titus 2:13, and Hebrews 1:8. If you're going to side with the thousands of times God is referred to as singular, why not also pay attention to the times Jesus is directly referred to as being God?
None of those verse directly call Jesus God. In John 20:28, I think Thomas is finally seeing God IN Jesus, not that Jesus IS God, because that is what Jesus had previously taught Thomas in John 14:9. Jesus never taught him that he is God. Tit. 2:13 is a mistranslation following the Granville Sharp rule, which isn't a rule at all because it has many exceptions. And Hebrews 1:8 isn't calling Jesus God because it was originally written about an Israelite king who had a wife (Psa. 45:9), so if you want to make the words turn Jesus into God, then you have to turn the Israelite King into God as well, and I don't think you want to do that.
What about the verses in the video in which Jesus clearly distinguishes himself from God? How do you handle those?
@@biblicalunitarian Firstly, regarding Thomas "finally seeing God IN Jesus", this doesn't line up with John 20:28 interpretation. If we were to read it in greek (at least from an interlinear), this verse would read, "the Lord of me and the God of me". With Thomas being this explicit, it would stand to reason that Jesus would have corrected this misunderstanding as He has before, but He didn't. And although He may have not been explicit in saying "I am God", He gave various signs that He was, such as in John 10:27-28.
Secondly, regarding the Granville Sharp rule, if there's an implication that verse 13 is referring to God and Jesus as separate beings, with the implication of Jesus not being God with the verse reading, "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ", then this is brought into question when Titus 1:3-4, Titus 3:4 and 6 allocates the title of "Savior" to both Jesus and God.
Thirdly, regarding Hebrews 1:8, while Psalm 45:6-7 originally addressed an earthly king, the context with which it is used is different, showing how the passage finds its ultimate fulfillment in Him. The context of Hebrews 1 is to demonstrate Jesus’ superiority over angels, explicitly attributing divine titles and roles to Him, whereas Psalm 45 celebrates the majesty of a righteous king and his royal wedding. No mentioning of angels.
Finally, with the verses mentioned in the video in which Jesus distinguishes Himself from God, Trinitarians do not have any problems with this. Jesus is seen referring to the Father as God and God as the Father multiple times, which doesn't conflict with our doctrine since we believe that God is 3 persons who share one divine nature in being God, as seen in places like Philippians 2:5-6, Revelation 22:13, Acts 5:3-4, and Hebrews 9:14. Not "two Gods", as you've said in the video.
All in all, there seems to be a misunderstanding on what Trinitarians believe. We don't believe that the Father (who often referred to as God), the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same person. That would be more akin to modalism. Rather, we believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct people who share one divine essence, with one example being in Colossians 1:16-17
I appreciate your responses to my responses and I disagree but I do not want to go around in circles.
Also none of these verses " Philippians 2:5-6, Revelation 22:13, Acts 5:3-4, and Hebrews 9:14" teach that "God is 3 persons who share one divine nature in being God" do you see that? Maybe you could contrive a doctrine out of those verses, but those verses do not teach the Trinity.
I'm very familiar with what Trinitarians believe, as I studied at a Trinitarian Seminary for 4 years. I understand that Trinitarians don't have a problem with Jesus distinguishing himself from God. The problem is that Trinitarians have concocted a belief that is irrefutable in many ways. No matter how many times Jesus calls his Father God, Trinitarians will say it supports Trinitarianism because the Father is God, even though Jesus is never explicitly called God in the New Testament (John 20:28 is the closest you get and again you know my interpretation of that).
This is the biblical data:
Father called God - 97% of the time
Jesus called God - maybe 1% of the time
Holy spirit called God - 2%
This is what we would expect if the Trinity were true:
Father called God - 33% of the time
Jesus called God - 33% of the time
Holy Spirit called God - 33% of the time
So, do you see how you might just be misunderstanding the 3%? BTW Biblical Unitarians believe that the Holy Spirit is God, just not a separate person from the Father, it's the power and presence of God.
But, try to put yourself in the shoes of the people in the Bible. Do you think them seeing a man walking around who "has a God" (John 20:17), calls him the "Only True God" (John 17:3), calls him "greater than" he is (John 14:28), would walk away concluding that he is fully and equally God as well?
John 17:5 @@biblicalunitarian
I am coming to the same conclusion. God created Jesus, which is a part of himsrlf, but a separate being. The Holy Spirit is what God bestows upon our souls.
Yes, I think the only place where biblical unitarians would push back is to say that Jesus is "a part of God". Not really sure what that means, however, Jesus does have the Holy Spirit in him so in that sense God dwells in him, but the same could also be said of believers. So, Jesus does not in any sense have the nature of God, but God certainly works through him.
So, . . . a question for you to ask is, 'Is Jesus God?' Blessings.
I've asked it many times, He says he is the Son of God (John 10:36; 20:17) and the biblical authors say he is the son of God (Matthew 16:16; Luke 1:32).
@@biblicalunitarian today i learned that a person can only have one title
If Jesus is fully God, why does he cry to someone else to save him from death? I thought God is immortal and cannot die. Surely he could save himself.
It's kinda stupid to apply the word "person" to God in the first place, but if you're gonna do it, you might as well see 3 faces in it. Because God is multifaceted.
I have been taught that God is a spirit kind of like the wind...we see the effect of wind but we cant see the wind.Therefore no man has seen Father God.
If this be true and Yeshua is god; how is it that man could see Yeshua a mortal man of flesh
I'm doing that because Trinitarians use that language, I am trying to communicate on the same wavelength.
There is a lot of things to discover
If we treated the word God as a moniker instead of a name, we would have a better understanding of this issue. Jesus is God because he was begotten of the Father and not created. The Father has a name, Jehovah, like the Son has a name, Jesus. They are both God, just like a king and a prince are royalty. They are both distinct persons, but of the same substance because Jesus was begotten of the Father. Just like if a man and woman had a child, the child is of the same substance as their parents, the child is human.
The Father was first, which makes Him greater than the Son, just like a king is greater than the prince. But the Father loved his only begotten Son so much that he gave Him co-rulership of the universe. This is why Christ sits on the right hand of his Father's throne in heaven. As for the Holy Spirit, we don't have much information on Him, but it is safe to assume that He is of both the Father and the Son, as it says on the Scriptures that the "Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father."
You reference Genesis 1:27 about God using "He" as in singular...but just go 1 verse before: Then God said, "Let US make human beings in OUR image, to be like US..." You missed the Trinity reference there. After that point, anytime God is mentioned, it needs to be considered a trinitarian God. This is why In Genesis 1, God makes that point, He made it a clear point.
seems its you who missed the point.
In v27 it says "so he made man in HIS image..."
So here we have God working through others, just as He does all through the bible, favouring the humble.
In v26 He is speaking to those myriad upon myriad of His sons, the firstborn family, that some neively call "angels" (which in greek simply means messenger)
So God speaks to His angelic host, "let us make" and then He does it.
You dont think God (the three of them) are sitting all alone talking to him/themselves, do you?
You may find this 4-part series on God's Divine Council enlightening by Spirit & Truth Fellowship. "From the beginning, God has had a pattern of organizing positions of authority, both human and spiritual, within His creation. He never wanted to rule as a tyrant, and through His divine loving nature, He expressed His love by trusting and giving authority to His creation. We see this pattern exhibited from Genesis to Revelation."
Verses: Gen. 2:15; 1:28; Deut. 16:18; Eph. 1:22; 4:11; 6:12; Matt. 28:18; 19:28; Rev. 3:4; 2Cor. 10:8; Isa 1:26; Jer. 23:4; Mal. 3:6; Ps. 7:17; Heb. 7:1; Col. 1:16
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@@ken440 I do believe that They (the Trinity) have complete fulfillment within Themselves. The God of the Bible does not require a heavenly host of angles to speak with in order to make a decision about the creation of man. It is one God with 3 separate Persons.
:Perhaps you can clarify what you mean when you say "anytime God is mentioned, it needs to be considered a trinitarian God" Does this mean the term 'God' is interchangeable with 'triuneGod'? This would seem to pose many problems as when Jesus is praying to the triune God or he is exalted to the right hand of the triune God or that he, the word, is the triune God. Doesn't make sense.
Can someone explain John 10:30? No way they stoned Jesus because he claimed to be equal to God right? like that would be really weird...
How about Colossians 2:9? John 8:58? before Abraham was.. I am?
Titus 2:13?
Jokes aside! I'm not here to argue but rather out of curiousity. Did you check all the verses that could support that God alone is Father? Or did we just leave it as Black and White. Unitarian is correct and Trinity is wrong. Out of curiousity? can you explain Biblical Unitarian why exactly the many times did up until now Jesus blankly and straightly says He is God?
Let me guess! GOD IS FATHER AND JESUS IS MAN. Okay I'm listening... let's say that's true but what about the verses mentioned tho...
Also I'm not sure where to find the verses... doesn't Jesus get praised and worshipped by the people? I mean they say the only one you should worship is God but why doesn't Jesus stop them?
Just out of curiousity at least hehe!~
: As for John 10 :30, Jesus clarifies in what sense he is 'one' in John 17: 20-23. Don't think you should have any problem understanding this passage(unless you think the disciples are literally one being and part of the Godhead also).
Genesis 1:2, There is a fine line between flesh and spirit, and between the two is Tehom. Revelation 9:11
Genesis 1: 3 John 8: 12 Revelation 13:8
Isaiah 44:6
Wrong. Here are just a few versus that counter this argument and there are t least 50 in the Bible alone.
Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." - Why would you baptize anyone in the name of one that is not God?
John 15:26 "But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me." - The Holy Spirit is truly of the Father and testifies to the Divinity of Jesus
2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. - This equalizes the parts of the Trinity
This is the problem with self interpretation of the Bible. It leads you into heresy, even when the evidence is clearly right in front of you. Repent!
: "In the name of " means by the authority of as in "open in the name of the law." The law has no name, but it has authority. The spirit has no name.
John 15 :26 talks of the paraclete, which is masculine and hence 'he'. However, spirit is feminine in Hebrew and neuter in Greek.
2 Cor 13 :14 actually differentiates between the Lord Jesus and God. After Pentecost when the spirit had been poured out on the community of Jesus believers, Christians could enjoy fellowship with God and each other. The verse says nothing about God being three 'persons' who are co-equal, co-eternal etc.
If you bother to look at the greetings Paul send in his letter, you will see that Paul sends greetings from two, one of whom is the God of the other.
Perhaps the heresy came later when the church adopted post-apostolic doctrines about the nature of God; doctrines that came from theologians schooled in pagan Greek philosophy who applied platonic language and ideas to Christianity.
Jesus said he is the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty
Why trust nearly 2000 years of church history when we can just trust some dude on UA-cam? Surely he has it right!
That is a fallacy, an appeal to "authority" or an appeal to "tradition." Don't trust me, or church history, trust the scriptures. If you are a Protestant, you believe that 1,600 years of Church history got many things wrong.
So when the Jews trusted 2000 years of their tradition, they missed their messiah, killing him instead of embracing him.
Was that what you were pointing out?
Jesus' divinity was hotly debated in first three centuries. That's why Council of Nicea gathered. Constantine wanted christians to make up their minds.
@@ken440 The Jews denied Christ (God) when he was standing face to face and blasphemed the Holy Spirit (God). They were living a life of pompous legalism that at it's core did not truly have the love of God. The Pharisees were righteous on the outside but self-serving on the inside.
The Church has been alive and well for nearly 2000 years and kept the teachings and traditions of the apostles since the day of Pentecost, despite every attack of the Jews, the Muslims, and all other powers of the devil. It has survived even with the west contorting, twisting, and splitting into 40,000+ denominations by the reformers. The Holy Spirit isn't divisive. "In ONE holy catholic and apostolic church." This video is full of ancient heresies that have been dealt with over 1000 years ago. If you do not believe the Nicene Creed there really is no point in calling yourself a Christian.
This is just another attempt to intellectualize and rationalize the nature of God which is something beyond human comprehension. Lord have mercy on us sinners.
The church gave the world their Greek Jesus and YEHOVAH ALMIGHTY GOD GAVE US HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON YESHUA OUR MESSIAH‼️ SELAH AND SHALOM
If Jesus Christ is the Father did Jesus Christ pray to Himself?🤷♂
The answer is not a simple yes or no but is an understanding because if the answer is a simple yes or no the answer would be yes and no.
As a man of flesh born of water and blood who suffered the weakness of the flesh the man Jesus Christ is to be considered flesh because the scriptures say, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV
And as flesh, Jesus Christ who is that Spirit who is God fashioned as a man always gave glory to the Spirit and as a man of flesh He drew strength from His own heavenly Spirit setting the example for us as a man teaching us how to pray.
Jesus Christ was in heaven as the Holy Spirit who is our Father and on earth as a man of flesh at the same time and even told us so.
John 3:13 King James Version 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
Hebrews 10:20 King James Version 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;"
John 6:51 King James Version 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God --->and
Jesus is literally throughout the Old Testament! You completely missed it!The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct persons = 1 God. Not 3 Gods. There are over 60 descriptions of the Trinity where all 3 persons are present. God is mysterious, and dynamic. He can absolutely reveal himself as 3 persons. You are looking in the wrong places brother. Jesus is very clear about who he is.
well I guess God could be the flying spaghetti monster as well, all mysterious as you say, isnt that what you are implying? That truth cant be known from scripture?
Made in Rome,doctrine..
Really? Is there a single scipture in the entire Bible that says God is three persons? Is there any example of Jesus or his Apostles introducing or defending the idea of a triune God.
🔥🗣If you do not know the Father and Son as "HIM", you don't know HIM. God is One Spirit who manifest in the flesh, not one of three. Trinitarians, Repent from your false 3-headed god, the Lord is One Lord, One Spirit, and One Body! God is One person, not persons! "Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?" -Job 13:8 KJV
Jesus Christ reveals by revelation the Father/Spirit and Son/flesh as Him, one person who manifest in the flesh. "All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom👉the Son will reveal HIM."👀-Luke 10:22 KJV
"God is👉a Spirit: and they that worship👉HIM must worship HIM👈 in spirit and in truth." -John 4:24 KJV
"HIM" manifest in the flesh as the Son and is called the Son of God, not God the Son but the Son of God because God is a Spirit and is more than a man of flesh.
"The first man is of the earth, earthy;👉the second man is👉the Lord from heaven." -1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
Jesus Christ is that Spirit known as "HIM" in John 4:24 above who is God our Father who is ABOVE ALL and manifest in the flesh as the Son and was in heaven and on earth at the same time.
Jesus Christ, the Son of man said while on earth that He was also in heaven "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." -John 3:13 KJV
Jesus Christ is One Spirit, the Spirit who is our Father in John 4:24 known as "HIM" and One body of flesh.
Spirit came forth from Spirit and there is only 1 Spirit, not 2 or 3! "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL." Ephesians 4:4-6KJV
"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." -John 3:6 KJV
"By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;" -Hebrews 10:20 KJV
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." -John 6:63 KJV
Notice how the Spirit of God is interchangeable with the Spirit of Christ because it's the same 1 Spirit!
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that👉the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the👉Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." -Romans 8:9 KJV
"Now the👉Lord is that Spirit: and where👉the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as👉by the Spirit of the Lord." -2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV👑
Jesus Christ is that Spirit known as "HIM" in John 4:24 who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL and HE manifest in the flesh and that is why Jesus Christ said that He was the comforter when He said, "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." -John 14:18 KJV
What is the name of the Spirit in you?
"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that👉Jesus Christ is in you,👀except ye be reprobates?" -2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV
John said, "He that cometh from above is ABOVE ALL: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is ABOVE ALL." -John 3:31 KJV
Jesus Christ said, "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning." -John 8:23-25 KJV
"Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." -Isaiah 43:10 KJV
"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM HE; I am the first, I also am the last." -Isaiah 48:12 KJV
Isaiah 52:6 King James Version 6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I AM HE that doth speak: behold, it is I." -Isaiah 52:6 KJV
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." -Matthew 1:23 KJV
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,👉The mighty God,👉The everlasting Father,👀 The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 9:6 KJV
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." -Hebrews 13:8 KJV
“One God --->and
And what do you do with all the plural verbs and adjectives used for YHVH God? And even God himself refers to himself with plural verbs and adjectives. You can't answer this, can you? After watching this video give false teachings, I will now be making a response video. Complete ignorance of Hebrew and Greek.
: Can you provide some examples where YHWH is used with plural verbs and adjectives. Likewise with God. It's just the claim is made that thousaands of times we have singular verbs and pronouns with God.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq I have provided many examples in my other videos and I did a response video to this one with some other examples. I also wrote a book called One Trinity where I give you numerous examples from the Old Testament and from the Hebrew. Please look those up and if you have any more questions, leave me a message.
@@dralgarza : You may indeed have provided 'many examples' in your other videos, but you have produced none here. And what about the thousands of examples that we read ourselves where we find singular verbs and pronouns? Given that many standard reference works and scholars of international repute acknowledge that the idea of a triune God is NOT found in the Hebrerw scriptures, I do wonder what you know that they have all missed.
@@VoiceofTruth-iv8pq lol I don’t have to provide any here for you when they’re all available for free online. Just take your fingers and do some Google research like you always do and you’ll find my work. Secondly, all those scholars you talk about are not Christians and are unbelievers who do not believe Jesus or the Bible. So you can keep your sources because they are useless.
@@dralgarza : I get it now. Any scholar who exposes your specious argument must be an 'unbeliever', someone who does not believe in Jesus or the Bible.
Reading up on immanent metaphysics may help you in your journey.
Unitarian Christian is equivalent to a Muslim or a Jew yes? 🤔
Nope, Unitarian Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah who raised from the dead, Muslims and Jews do not believe this.
@@biblicalunitarian Muslims do believe Jesus was the messiah. Although we believe that Jesus was raised up to heaven directly by god instead of dying because of how beloved Jesus was to god.
@@biblicalunitarian thanks.
@@kushdmg Yep, thanks for the clarification
You need to understand that when God spoke in the Old Testament, Christ and the Holy Spirit had not come to the world and introduced yet so the concept of another God would be entirely foreign to his people at that time. Albeit other gods were not foreign to men before the commandments were given to Moses. As such that when God was telling his people that there were no other gods before him, he was setting himself apart from the then false gods of that time
as THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD to those under the first covenant. When the messiah came and introduced himself as the son of God, he was crucified for equaling himself to God which he did not deny. Now the messiah who himself is equal to God (see Philippians 2:6) proclaimed that THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, the same God in the OT was greater than he (see John 14:28) to whom those who believed in Christ were taught to worship in spirit and in truth. Upon his ascension the Holy Spirit was then introduced to the world (see John 16:7) in the same reverence as God insomuch that blasphemy against him would incur no forgiveness. To simply put it. God did not change. He is still the ONE TRUE GOD that those under the new covenant worship. The only truth left to be proven is if Christians were wrong to believe in Christ or if they were right. In the end the truth will be revealed. That is a matter of faith for those who believe and even to those that don’t. As per faith I choose to put mine on John 14:1 as we all wait which of us all are approved in the end.
@@Laredef54 gee i wonder what Organization you're talking about 🤔
The Litmus test is this: How were you baptized? If you were baptized in the name of Jesus Christ then you passed the Litmus test. All new converts were baptized in Jesus name in ACTS. Not even one new convert was ever baptized in any other way. If you were baptized in the titles of Father, Son and Holy Ghost then you have failed and have followed the Catholic faith heresy.
its not about any slogan stated at baptism, preachers saying in jesus name or in the name of the father, the son and the spirit. the point is "in the name of...." means "in the authority of.." like saying "in the name of the law i arrest you..." or "in the kings name i bring this message.."
its about AUTHORITY, and Jesus being head of the body, is the authority that fills us with Gods spirit.
Its about being immersed in holy spirit.
Your litmus text ignores Matt.28.19 & Acts 2.21.
@@RefutingUnitarians So how many new coverts in Acts were baptized using the Matthew 28:19 formula?
@@RefutingUnitarians And when you call upon the name of the Lord then you follow thru with obedience with Acts 2:38
@@jerrytucker9979 Are you saying we should disregard Jesus' commandment of Matt. 28.19 because this explicit phrasing doesn't appear in Acts?
Regarding Acts 2.38, what is the name of the Lord? And what is the name of the Lord that this prophecy fulfills in Joel 2.32 / Acts 2.21?
The idea of a trinity was devised by church leaders in the 2nd Century, over 100 years after the time given for the crucifixion.
It's a bit sad how this fails to address the meaningful arguments for God's Triune Nature. Point 2 is an exact phrasing fallacy we don't need scripture to use that language as long as it's shown to be true. If Christ accepts Worship and God is the only one worshipped it logically follows Christ is God. Point 3 fails to understand that when we say God is a trinity that's how He exists not a description of who He is as a person. Your 4th point really is some terrible exegesis. The John verse is more ambiguous sure, but still the same belief rendered in God is the belief we have in Christ, the verb there is the same. Also, the text doesn't make it clear whether it's indicative or imperative so it's a bit vague in general. Your 5th point is just egregious. Secular New Testament authors agree that a major theme throughout the New Testament is Jesus as God. Point 7 is a fun one because you just cut out half the verse where it says all things are created through Christ... I'm not even trying to hate but at least be more honest with your arguments. This type of content doesn't promote meaningful discussion at all and seems geared toward an echo chamber. You also don't engage with any historical arguments. We have many Patristic and Early Church figures in agreement that God is a Trinity, while its not as important as Scripture this is still something that needs to be addressed. Also the entire theme of John is the Deity of Christ, this is as previously mentioned agreed on even by secular scholars. What happens to that?
All in all I hope you continue your study into the word and return to the fullness of faith. May the Lord Jesus Christ guide you and keep you. To Him be the glory forever.
Its logical from scripture that God is THE MOST HIGH GOD, so among those considered in the world "GODS" then only the God most high is worthy of worship (its all about the other Gods of the nations in this verse) and so as the "anointed one" promised BY God, the representative of God, then Jesus can accept worship on Gods behalf just as king David did.
Comprehend?
@@ken440 David didn't accept worship on God's behalf. That's theological nonsense. I think you are thinking about chronicles using the KJV but the consensus is that the word translated as worship is actually paid homage to, which is consistent with the Hebrew as well as the narrative. Furthermore in the narrative of Chronicles David with the congregation brings sacrifices to God. In Revelations and the NT we bring Sacrifice to Christ a BIG distinction in the manner of worship/reverence.
@@davidkomzyuk David was an anointed one, and he occupied the throne of God, and he was worshipped along with YHWH. This "worship" issue is a nonsense. The business about "only God can be worshipped" is derived from the admonition to worship no other above or along with the God of Israel. Its because the other nations were worshipping "other gods" and YHWH chose Israel as His own.
Its about not worshipping "other Gods!" nothing to do with worship for Gods anointed one who God raised and glorified as 2iC (seated at Gods right hand.)
@@ken440 ok simple question since you can’t agree that Christs worship was different. Can we offer true sacrifice to anyone but Yahweh? And does anyone have a priesthood aside from Yahweh?
David, thanks for your response. The point of the video was not to play defense (defend against the Trinity) but to play offense (to give reasons for Unitarianism), so yes, I didn't address many Trinitarian passages.
Point 2 is not an exact phrasing fallacy, I gave three options for how God as "Trinity" could be expressed, the biblical authors don't have to use specific phrasing, they just don't ever define God as three with any set of words at all. Also, many people throughout the bible receive worship (proskuneo) so it does not logically follow that Christ is God.
Point 3 - I really feel that you are missing the point. A Trinitarian's definition of God, is that he/they are a Trinity (three persons in one essence), that is who "God" is. So if that is a correct definition, you should be able to substitute the definition in for the word, and the sentence still makes sense. Yet, you cannot do this in Trinitarianism, thus, the definition must be wrong. For example, take "Jump." If I say "Bill jumped over the puddle" I can substitute the definition of the word and the sentence still makes sense: "Bill pushed himself off of the ground over the puddle."
Point 4 - If you're talking about John 14:1, yes, there is one verb, nobody is questioning that, the point is that there are two objects, Jesus and God. Jesus is someone different from God. It's not "terrible exegesis" at all, in fact, it is basic exegesis.
Point 5 - You didn't address the verses at all. God is clearly distinguished from Jesus consistently throughout the New Testament. And no not all Secular scholars believe that (Ehrman, Dan Mclellan, etc. ) but that doesn't really matter.
Point 7 - I didn't include the second half of the verse because it is irrelevant for discussions on the Trinity (if we were talking about pre-existence it would be relevant). There is no Holy Spirit mentioned in 1 Cor. 8:6 thus, there is no Trinity. God is explicitly defined as the Father. Whether or not Jesus helped in the creation of the world, is irrelevant to him being God.
There are also Unitarian theologians throughout the centuries (beginning very early, Clement of Rome), so both sides can pull the History card. Obviously the Trinity has had more followers since 381 AD but that is because it was intertwined with Rome and Unitarians were killed, and books burned.
Jesus said, "I AM." You're right that the trinity is a lie. However, Jesus clearly stated he is GOD.
how do you get that from Jesus simply saying "I am he" about being the messiah, the one Abraham the prophet saw and was glad?
Read on the incarnation, written like 400 some ad
By 400AD most of the Church was Trinitarian, because you could be burned at the stake for not believing in the Trinity, that has nothing to do with if the Bible teaches it. Let's stick to the Bible, which defines God as just the Father (1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6; John 5:44).