The 20XX Link Theory

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  • Опубліковано 13 жов 2024

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  • @MetiCu
    @MetiCu  2 роки тому +27

    SMASH COMMUNITY DISS TRACK: ua-cam.com/video/AkVer9igqFk/v-deo.htmlsi=AVUDiAa98m2LqBg-

    • @jacopodeldeo4308
      @jacopodeldeo4308 2 роки тому +2

      Btw you didn’t mention the ghost arrow!!

    • @TakumiJoyconBoyz
      @TakumiJoyconBoyz 11 місяців тому

      Flash forward a year and it's happening again...

    • @Hyperion856
      @Hyperion856 10 місяців тому

      Nintendo is like this kid that says "NO YOU GUYS CANT PLAY LIKE THAT WAHHH"

  • @TS6815
    @TS6815 2 роки тому +84

    *THE YEAR IS 20▲▲*

  • @spkbreadroll
    @spkbreadroll 2 роки тому +108

    my favorite part about link is that he looks like he's saying "bruh" in the character select screen

    • @jaredbowers9503
      @jaredbowers9503 2 роки тому +9

      "And here it is, Number 1 in our list of top 10 reasons to main a character"

    • @WilfredCthulu
      @WilfredCthulu 2 роки тому +5

      Link is a very breathy noise bruh boy in Melee.

  • @justindubeau334
    @justindubeau334 2 роки тому +338

    The reason link will never be viable is because he cannot perform a technique known as the sausage slide

    • @Seikuken
      @Seikuken Рік тому +14

      Aklo: “hold my beer”

    • @chullupa
      @chullupa Рік тому

      Nahahahaha

  • @nizzwarb764
    @nizzwarb764 2 роки тому +65

    All links projectiles are a means to an end. That end is getting u in the sword blender with some nair spice.

  • @ElsCRD
    @ElsCRD 2 роки тому +25

    Shoutout to RedX, he was one of the nicest guys I played friendlies with at Mainstage!

  • @docs.a.t.7161
    @docs.a.t.7161 2 роки тому +60

    I've always felt Link was destined to be the next Yoshi, in the sense that a dedicated main will one day push him really far using his own natural weird jank and stuff. If he was just a little less sluggish he'd be a really good rep I think

    • @TakumiJoyconBoyz
      @TakumiJoyconBoyz 11 місяців тому +7

      You might be right if 20RedX keeps improving. Dude can do a new really difficult tech that basically gives Link a waveshine.

    • @ikilledthemoon
      @ikilledthemoon 2 місяці тому

      Yeah that dedicated main is TAS Link, LOL. It would be cool if a developer made it so pressing down on the arrow pad converted old link to young link and back. Also if he could use A attacks while carrying a bomb and throw the bomb like a battering item with Z.

  • @RedXLink
    @RedXLink 2 роки тому +59

    Hey MetiCu thanks for crediting Germ for discovering the acid drop and for bringing some of link's more underutilized secrets to light. I really enjoyed the vid.
    That said I'd like everyone to know that bomb launching was discovered and crafted by Savestate and not Aklo. Felt the vid might be misleading in that regard.
    That's all from me, hope to see you all at a tourney someday soon.

    • @nizzwarb764
      @nizzwarb764 2 роки тому

      Anyone with a link main, check this dude's channel out. His group discussions w other link mains are super valuable.

    • @illustrious-jaco
      @illustrious-jaco 2 роки тому +3

      s/o savestate

    • @metaldrummer23-umo67
      @metaldrummer23-umo67 2 місяці тому

      Heya! It's umo. Thought it was a good video too giving props, especially to germ and acid dropping. I still remember when the linkcord was calling me dumb for saying that's acid dropping back when yinks and others were calling it fuze dashing.

  • @Litchy51
    @Litchy51 2 роки тому +47

    I love how the Goron Rolling tech is named after something actually in Zelda. It makes it seem like the move was actually intended and added by the devs to Link’s moveset.

  • @smoceany9478
    @smoceany9478 2 роки тому +42

    the 20xx G&W theory
    he gets a super wavedash
    it is called the sausage slide
    originally it was discovered by meticu who made it

  • @brushyourteeth69420
    @brushyourteeth69420 2 роки тому +62

    Now and then I run into a link on unranked who's tag is just 'link' and he destroys me every time

  • @MeesterTweester
    @MeesterTweester 2 роки тому +58

    I calculated it and Link actually is the worst overall across the series out of the original 12. He's worse than Kirby and Jigglypuff, they're low tier in 3 games but are saved by being top tier once.
    I mained Link in Smash 4, his kit has a lot of cool stuff that makes him a unique character. He has a high skill ceiling which leaves a lot of room for potential.

    • @celerity910
      @celerity910 2 роки тому +5

      Sure it ain’t DK? Except maybe Smash 4 I can’t think of any game he isn’t bottom half.

    • @jaredbowers9503
      @jaredbowers9503 2 роки тому +1

      @@celerity910 apply the same thinking to Link, except Ult instead of 4

    • @kissenklauer7011
      @kissenklauer7011 2 роки тому +18

      guys he said he calculated it

    • @plumebrisee6206
      @plumebrisee6206 2 роки тому +12

      I mean ,it's well know that the 3 worst Character in the Series overall are Ganon ,Link and Zelda ,in what is called "Triforce of the Shame"

    • @MeesterTweester
      @MeesterTweester 2 роки тому +8

      @@celerity910 DK doesn't have a bottom tier placement to pull him down and he's been mid tier twice. Link has only placed above DK in Ultimate.
      Here's the quick tier list I made of the Original 12's average tier list placement across the series
      I used the official tier list and the new Ultimate tier list pinned on /r/smashbros for lack of an official tier list
      Characters are judged by (placement-1)/(number of characters in the game-1), two decimal places because this was a quick procedure
      Pikachu 0.00, 0.32, 0.19, 0.26, 0.00 = 0.77/5 = 0.154 (S tier)
      Fox 0.27, 0.00, 0.39, 0.11, 0.23 = 1.00/5 = 0.200
      Captain Falcon 0.18, 0.20, 0.89, 0.33, 0.44 = 2.04/5 = 0.408 (A tier)
      Mario 0.55, 0.56, 0.81, 0.15, 0.16 = 2.23/5 = 0.446
      Yoshi 0.36, 0.36, 0.72, 0.61, 0.43 = 2.48/5 = 0.496
      Samus 0.64, 0.40, 0.83, 0.67, 0.47 = 3.01/5 = 0.602 (B tier)
      Luigi 1.00, 0.44, 0.72, 0.31, 0.54 = 3.01/5 = 0.602
      DK 0.73, 0.60, 0.56, 0.39, 0.94 = 3.22/5 = 0.644 (C tier)
      Ness 0.82, 0.88, 0.67, 0.50, 0.36 = 3.23/5 = 0.646
      Jigglypuff 0.45, 0.08, 0.94, 1.00, 0.81 = 3.28/5 = 0.656
      Kirby 0.09, 0.96, 0.53, 0.91, 0.95 = 3.44/5 = 0.688 (D tier)
      Link 0.91, 0.68, 0.92, 0.56, 0.49 = 3.56/5 = 0.712

  • @hennyzhi2261
    @hennyzhi2261 Рік тому +9

    I think one of the many unknown great things to happen during 2020, due to obvious reasons, was not only the creation of Slippi but the incentive for otherwise underappreciated characters to finally have a way to feed on matches even if it takes many losses to finally understand how they could actually be viable. Looking from the outside, Smash has always had this unique place of being a locals game where most of what becomes the norm has to be developed by going cross country to any number of these tournaments or events or reading external forum posts/guides written by the people who could afford to do that legwork. It's insanely valuable in itself and probably why cool narratives like the 5 gods could exist, but the data was always limited. There was a time when you had your KoreanDJ's who had to money match in order to get ahead or entire regions of the world like Japan that would be dismissed unless considerable effort was made by top players to explore those places to see what the Smash community could be like. For all the hardships this game has faced, do in no small part because Nintendo is a dinosaur to borrow Woolie's analogy, it has the best grounds to never truly die now. It has it's past glory built on the underground, where meeting people and word of mouth developed most of what the meta was initially... and now it has the traditional aspect of every other fighting game where grinding against an infinite number of faceless players from around the world, and in many of our cases getting reck for a long time till we get good, is going to challenge that offline norm for the better. It really needs both of those things to have a future. This game is far from solved and people are still passionate about it.

    • @RedXLink
      @RedXLink 8 місяців тому

      Totally agree. I've always believed that " low / mid tiers " weren't all as bad as people thought.the people that mained them just needed more time and practice to understand where there chars are weak and where they are strong

  • @flinch2440
    @flinch2440 2 роки тому +8

    link is the savior of 20XX headcanon

  • @OranguBANG
    @OranguBANG 2 роки тому +1

    Literally I'm mesmerized by your vids

  • @dbgr9875
    @dbgr9875 2 роки тому +16

    I love how almost every player name in this video was only 4 characters so their name can fit Melee's tags

  • @noahvegetables
    @noahvegetables 2 роки тому +5

    Link is a high tier and nothing will ever change my mind

  • @TheBasileman
    @TheBasileman 2 роки тому +16

    I feel like Link is similar to Samus in that they both have some very niche but powerful and hard to perform tech, making them have a lot of potential, but not getting their time to shine

    • @nahor88
      @nahor88 Рік тому +1

      Even with that tech, their weaknesses still make it hard for them to compete with the top tiers played by the best players. At the end of the day, you have to be able to consistently win neutral exchanges. It turned out that Yoshi was a good enough character, that if you mastered his tech you can go really far.

  • @PatJamma
    @PatJamma 2 роки тому +5

    I personally welcome Link as our new 20XX overlord.

  • @TheKorenji
    @TheKorenji 2 роки тому +113

    Link is basically the character that depends the most on being used by someone who knows how to use every tech in order to find success(actually, might be second to Mewtwo)... but at that point, you could just main anyone else that can do better and have an easier life, unless you're trying to prove a point or something.

    • @eftorq
      @eftorq 2 роки тому +7

      This

    • @jaredbowers9503
      @jaredbowers9503 2 роки тому +44

      The personal gratification of proving a point is too enticing

    • @nizzwarb764
      @nizzwarb764 2 роки тому +23

      The point is thus: There is so much more Melee

    • @phakepercs9599
      @phakepercs9599 2 роки тому +11

      People think tier lists are God's Laws.... Of course the most practiced characters are at the top. You ever wonder why a game that hasn't changed in almost 20 years still updates its tierlists? Any character with unique abilities/moves can be best if played by the right person.

    • @abdurahmannassar702
      @abdurahmannassar702 2 роки тому +3

      Kinda like what peanut does for Mac in ultimate

  • @pyrodemon365
    @pyrodemon365 2 роки тому +2

    bro i love your outro so fucking much, i literally say it with you everytime LOL

  • @MarMaxGaming
    @MarMaxGaming Рік тому +1

    I hope we get to see a 20-30+ minute about his rise up on competitive scene

  • @BobbyReborn
    @BobbyReborn 2 роки тому +96

    The fact Kuya, a Link main from Florida, brought M2K to game 5 in a tourney with Link shows that the d00d has potential.

    • @johnnycutterr
      @johnnycutterr 2 роки тому +1

      M2K washed confirmed???!!1!??

    • @Brent-up4qg
      @Brent-up4qg 2 роки тому +6

      @@johnnycutterr m2k lame as hell confirmed. Guess we already knew that though

    • @antagonizingusername
      @antagonizingusername 2 роки тому +8

      m2k hasn’t played melee in like two years man, you can tell by watching him play he was rusty as hell. Kuya failed to combat him ledgecamping (in a situation where ledgecamping is the worst thing for mew2king to do to get a win) and then threw the match.

    • @cvlcek144
      @cvlcek144 2 роки тому

      @@antagonizingusername It was literally impossible to damage M2K in that game because of how it works in Melee. M2K knew this. That's why there was a rule made against it. To stop opponents from stalling you out. And it only works with Sheik. The game at that point literally became unplayable for the Link player. How much about Melee mechanics do you know?

    • @AspectCave
      @AspectCave Рік тому +1

      hes filipino too :D which is pretty rare cosidering that the ph scne is so small

  • @jorgeherrera1074
    @jorgeherrera1074 Рік тому +1

    Whenever I see Aklo vs any top player he looks to have so do so much to get the same amount of damage that top tier characters can get quickly on link

  • @Elessar.
    @Elessar. Рік тому +2

    Watching this the day after Aklo won redemption rumble

  • @Keys60_
    @Keys60_ 2 роки тому +14

    I've been telling myself I will be that Link main that masters everything listed in this video for months
    I think I can do it ngl

    • @yeehaw8089
      @yeehaw8089 2 роки тому

      how’s mastering going

    • @Keys60_
      @Keys60_ 2 роки тому

      @@yeehaw8089 well
      i'm definitely better than i was 5 months ago
      that's something i guess

    • @wmj4796
      @wmj4796 2 роки тому

      nice!

    • @aceywasty
      @aceywasty 2 роки тому

      why would you learn gimmicks when you can just be good and learn the character

    • @Keys60_
      @Keys60_ 2 роки тому

      @@aceywasty yeah ive kinda realized that a month ago

  • @joemanginaa
    @joemanginaa 2 роки тому +2

    The amount of different projectiles really gives link almost unlimited options.

  • @al3isquick
    @al3isquick 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome video as always this was really interesting 👍

  • @jerenjagodzinski9651
    @jerenjagodzinski9651 2 роки тому +27

    Can you please give mr. Game and watch a super wavedash called the sausage slide?

  • @sidd8257
    @sidd8257 Місяць тому +1

    I love getting recommended this after riptide lol

  • @Rivi_Is_Here
    @Rivi_Is_Here 2 роки тому +3

    Many Links will rise to the challenge, only time will tell to see who succeeds.

  • @Choochinc
    @Choochinc 2 роки тому +9

    You didn't mention the scrub killer #39

    • @Kingsbeak
      @Kingsbeak 2 роки тому +1

      Best tech in the game

    • @nizzwarb764
      @nizzwarb764 2 роки тому +4

      Please don't reveal scrubnomicon it is a holy link main secret

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 2 роки тому +2

    Decent video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @carter5744
    @carter5744 2 роки тому +8

    THE KING IS BACK

  • @DirectorOFun
    @DirectorOFun 2 роки тому +20

    Can you please give Link a super wavedash called the Triforce trot?

  • @happymonkeyfish
    @happymonkeyfish 11 місяців тому +1

    I love that so many mid tiers are starting to get the same optimizations and discoveries that the high tiers got a while ago

  • @benstrahan5323
    @benstrahan5323 2 роки тому +2

    im lucky to have been able to meet and chill with Germ, dudes still punk

  • @virtualcolt
    @virtualcolt Рік тому

    I cannot be the only one that when selecting Link for the first time in this game heared:
    WINK

  • @jlewis4441
    @jlewis4441 2 роки тому +2

    Nice to see you uploading again!

  • @nosepdlihcnam.cmdlihc3915
    @nosepdlihcnam.cmdlihc3915 2 роки тому +3

    Link was almost banned in melee in the early 2000s :l

  • @parkermarker742
    @parkermarker742 Рік тому +2

    Link (aklo) won a major, it's starting

  • @aiden9472
    @aiden9472 2 роки тому +1

    Nice vid dude

  • @jameslazarus8991
    @jameslazarus8991 2 роки тому +4

    These videos are gold

  • @phakepercs9599
    @phakepercs9599 2 роки тому +5

    People think tier lists are God's Laws.... Of course the most practiced characters are at the top. You ever wonder why a game that hasn't changed in almost 20 years still updates its tierlists? Any character with unique abilities/moves can be best if played by the right person.

    • @QWERTY708100
      @QWERTY708100 2 роки тому

      case in point, pikachu used to be C tier until axe came along

    • @metaldrummer23-umo67
      @metaldrummer23-umo67 2 місяці тому

      Last official tier list was in 2015 afaik. I've been out of the loop if there's one newer. That's why I figured people were making their own.

    • @phakepercs9599
      @phakepercs9599 2 місяці тому

      @@metaldrummer23-umo67 The game came out in 2001.
      Also, what is an "official" tier list? They're all just theory content.

  • @writinggoose6059
    @writinggoose6059 Рік тому

    1:45 *laughs in Zelda speedruns*

  • @lorenzoricci4551
    @lorenzoricci4551 2 роки тому +1

    Duuuude i didn't know the Link wavebombshine, it looks so badass

  • @ThevenimX
    @ThevenimX 27 днів тому

    UA-cam recommended really said Zain and Aklo was predicted

  • @mkunited7439
    @mkunited7439 Місяць тому +1

    The prophecy almost came true today-link was up 2-0 against the #1 player in the world in winners final of a major

  • @carloslopez3138
    @carloslopez3138 2 роки тому +5

    GOAT IS BACK

  • @susparia4724
    @susparia4724 2 роки тому +1

    It would be awesome to see link destroying brackets

  • @sinnystyles6604
    @sinnystyles6604 2 роки тому +2

    oh hey it's me
    ROFL
    sick

    • @sinnystyles6604
      @sinnystyles6604 2 роки тому +1

      i personally call hitstun cancels bomb eats btw
      BOMBS FOR BREAKFAST

  • @jasonanno3881
    @jasonanno3881 Рік тому +1

    Tbh I think eventually there will be an Amsa for link and he’ll see some results.

  • @richardrider651
    @richardrider651 Рік тому

    Lnk has always been undergrated. I have been a Link main for 20 years now! Nothing is going to change that, I wish I knew these techniques back then .

  • @OUTOFSTAR365
    @OUTOFSTAR365 Рік тому +1

    I really love the hero of time and i would do anything to push him higher in the tier list yes anything

    • @Bruce-906
      @Bruce-906 10 місяців тому

      Nah it's dead

  • @MarketMakerGamer
    @MarketMakerGamer 2 роки тому

    damn that ending was tight

  • @clay2889
    @clay2889 9 місяців тому +1

    Still waiting for the day to come when Link goes mainstream

  • @donkylefernandez4680
    @donkylefernandez4680 2 роки тому +3

    Link isn't bad because he lacks an arsenal, he's bad because his arsenal is locked behind obscurity and character mastery.

  • @KenPlaysCatan
    @KenPlaysCatan 2 роки тому

    I found the Link you speak of, his name is Jammer and I ran into him on netplay. He has mastered everything you talk about.

  • @tylerdeshoun
    @tylerdeshoun 2 роки тому +1

    Goron roll 😂 Link is top tier

  • @adamparness6627
    @adamparness6627 2 роки тому

    This is the first time I’ve seen some of this tech my mind is blown. Melee always surprising me

  • @aceywasty
    @aceywasty 2 роки тому +31

    now I know why you randomly joined the discord... ugh

  • @whatcookgoodlook
    @whatcookgoodlook Рік тому +1

    The prophecy

  • @prescottnovelli81
    @prescottnovelli81 2 роки тому +1

    Nice video.. we all like to dream haha.
    It brought up some interesting ideas and showed some tech we didn’t know about, but cmon, we know it can’t happen 😅

  • @hinachi7694
    @hinachi7694 2 роки тому

    As a link main and huge zelda fan i like so much videos about him thank god hes good on ultimate even for tourney link is my boy till death

  • @kittybowl2242
    @kittybowl2242 Рік тому

    The year is 20LL

  • @awogbob
    @awogbob 2 роки тому +4

    Link most technical character confirmed?

  • @metaldrummer23-umo67
    @metaldrummer23-umo67 2 місяці тому

    Hello, link player umo here. Very good presentation, giving props to the proper peeps. But you should probably have said something about McNuggets/Savestate if you're talking about bomb launching

  • @E-Brightvoid
    @E-Brightvoid 2 роки тому +2

    20LU BIG LUIGI

  • @LordFartamor
    @LordFartamor Рік тому +3

    cracklo

  • @ethanmansueto6884
    @ethanmansueto6884 2 роки тому

    There are a lot of underrated characters they might just not be utilized to their full potential aka amsa

  • @blackghostcat
    @blackghostcat 2 роки тому +2

    Wouldn't hitstun cancel be more accurate if it was called knock back cancel?

  • @DankestLankJOJO
    @DankestLankJOJO 2 роки тому +2

    Sick video

  • @125conman
    @125conman 2 роки тому

    I also thought young link would be the one to get a random good placing. They're both cool though.

  • @thatracc
    @thatracc 2 роки тому

    link is so jank that he might be a hidden top tier no lie

  • @MessApathy
    @MessApathy 2 роки тому +4

    Let's gooooo

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector 2 роки тому +3

    Yes

  • @ocircles738
    @ocircles738 Рік тому

    I want to believe...

  • @AtheenArt
    @AtheenArt 2 роки тому +4

    AKLO

  • @tomazrodrigues7006
    @tomazrodrigues7006 2 роки тому

    Didn’t even mention the ghost arrow glitch

  • @Tmathh
    @Tmathh 2 роки тому

    Redx is also a norcal link

  • @billwoods7578
    @billwoods7578 2 роки тому +3

    How could you not mention that he beat Kodorin with Link in Grand Finals smh

  • @PlaZma372
    @PlaZma372 2 роки тому

    Please do a 20XX ganon

  • @kidkid146
    @kidkid146 2 роки тому

    Mid-tiers may be mid-tier, but players will get more of the fame and credit for carrying themselves instead of the characters. That's the beauty in playing a lower-tier character.

  • @xdmon1220
    @xdmon1220 2 роки тому

    so youre saying that link has P O T E N C I A L

  • @Ayahuoskar
    @Ayahuoskar 2 роки тому

    When will our hero return?

  • @jacobpod9727
    @jacobpod9727 2 роки тому +22

    Unfortunately for Link even with all this tech, there's no way he could be a top tier because this tech is all a bit niche, and Link is just overall too slow.
    Luigi on the other hand 0_0

    • @lagalil
      @lagalil 2 роки тому +2

      Luigi sucks too. Such a gimmicky character

  • @doublelizard767
    @doublelizard767 Рік тому

    Whats up with other characters being able to replicate shine lol crazy game

    • @alexa9433
      @alexa9433 Рік тому

      My friend said he was scared of link because his bomb drop sounds similar to shine.

  • @jdw159
    @jdw159 2 роки тому

    I believe

  • @AzumaRikimaru
    @AzumaRikimaru 2 роки тому

    you forgot deca grabing

  • @Fonz128
    @Fonz128 2 роки тому

    Those fighting game community nerds are the most toxic people on the internet worst than Chris Chan.

    • @Cowboybebub
      @Cowboybebub 2 роки тому +1

      he porked his mom... we just like a game...

  • @ashawesome
    @ashawesome 2 роки тому +1

    Wah

  • @5ouIs
    @5ouIs 2 роки тому +1

    As long as he's not spamming the B button, I think it would be cool to see a link main emerge some day.

    • @TrueYankeeFan
      @TrueYankeeFan 2 роки тому +6

      Link's special moves are integral to the character. There's no getting around that.

  • @leodexe
    @leodexe 2 роки тому

    American Link in SSB64 is second worst, worst SSB64 Link is AUS Link and to be fair, Japanese Link in DSB64 is viable, or at least at the same level as Melee/Smash4 Link but definitely not a low tier.

  • @mrmolasses5888
    @mrmolasses5888 2 роки тому +1

    Even though link isn’t the best character he’s definitely fun to play

  • @wispoverhere4345
    @wispoverhere4345 2 роки тому +1

    20ar-row?

  • @Jekko23
    @Jekko23 2 роки тому +1

    Can young link perform it too?

    • @jaredbowers9503
      @jaredbowers9503 2 роки тому +1

      According to my understanding, his bombs work a bit differently but maybe?

    • @Jekko23
      @Jekko23 2 роки тому +1

      @@jaredbowers9503 then maybe he can still perform acid drop, but the techs that uses bomb explosions might not work

    • @neeyawnAe
      @neeyawnAe 2 роки тому +1

      @@Jekko23 yeah he can acid drop but yl's bombs pull people in so you cannot bomb launch v.v

    • @metaldrummer23-umo67
      @metaldrummer23-umo67 2 місяці тому

      They were calling acid dropping fuze dashing years ago thinking they found a new tech

  • @Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr
    @Zx14rrrrrrrrrrr Рік тому

    Too much execution

  • @Tmathh
    @Tmathh 2 роки тому

    If u master all of that you'll be almost as good as samus lol

    • @metaldrummer23-umo67
      @metaldrummer23-umo67 2 місяці тому

      Link wins that MU

    • @Tmathh
      @Tmathh 2 місяці тому

      @@metaldrummer23-umo67 maybe still besides the point

  • @theflyingstickman4704
    @theflyingstickman4704 2 роки тому

    20KK

  • @FGC_NAM
    @FGC_NAM 2 роки тому +1

    I think Ness could genuinely have his meta expanded a whole lot further