No complaints, just praise. Even though I never played and never will for lack of resources reasons, this is definitely, a welcome back to the genre people thought it died, and to also remind us that this is the cartoon we all grew up with.
The original TMNT comic book was surprisingly gritty and brutal. I found out later that that was done on purpose, because the team was inspired by Daredevil.
Actually they were straight up a parody of Daredevil. Daredevil fights The Hand, the TNMT, fight the Foot Clan for example. Also, the reason they love pizza is because DD hates it
@@kaze66613 Also, Daredevil's master was named Stick, while the Turtles' master was named Splinter. Another fun fact; the "Teenage" & "Mutant" parts were inspired by the X-Men, whom were originally was teenaged mutants.
Also in one version of the comic, the turtles are mutated by chemicals that fall int the sewer from an accident designed to be almost identical to the one that blinded daredevil.
Basically Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird were brainstorming one night, and Eastman drew a short squat Turtle wielding nunchucks. Laird thought it was funny that slow clumsy animal like a turtle could be a ninja. So they decided to run with the idea, put some Daredevil parody in it, and that first issue sold like gangbusters. Then just kept having fun with, it’s dark gritty, while same some completely wacky with killer robots, mutants, aliens, time travel, etc. and the rest is history.
@@kaze66613 also the truck the ooze canister fell off of is literally the same truck that other chemical waste fell off that blinded Matt Murdock. They didn’t hide the fact that they were parodying Daredevil.
I will disagree with Tom on a few points: 1.) Uppercuts typically have large vertical and forward hit boxes to function as anti-airs. So naturally it stands to reason uppercut will beat a dive kick. I agree there should be a trade but you shouldn't win outright, that isn't how anti-airs in beat em ups and fighting games work. 2.) Dodging with the dodge button isn't the only way to avoid damage. Your super gives you full invincibility for the duration. You use your super to not only avoid damage, but dish it out in return. You can cancel most attacks into supers. 3.) Vertical enemies aren't that big of an issue in most stages, the only issue are the auto scrolling stages usually due to foreground art assets or a lot of visual clutter. You are certainly right in your criticism that it is a tad difficult to figure it out at a casual level, but even your average player should be able to discern fairly easily most flying enemies. Your criticisms are valid but some of it does seem to be what I am assuming to be forgetful of other mechanics even if they exist in multiple game genres. At least this is my take on it.
I was actually writing something up like this but saw your comment. I used dodge rolls liberally during my combos in order to get out of the way and beat those no hit challenges. And just spamming the jump attack move on the flying enemies kills them quickly and in one hit. I think the only enemy I have a complaint with are the giant mousers because their chomp grab has little to no wind up so you get caught very easily. I feel a couple of the criticisms were not invalid but just have come from misunderstanding like you said.
@@maxsayo yeah and it does feel cheap at times when the AI hits you, and he isn't wrong there isn't a lot of visual indication in some attacks but for the most part you have enough time to make a split second decision to attack or dodge. It also depends on the difficulty, at hard the AI is more aggressive and more prone to input reading.
I agree with this too. My usual strategy is just to jump. Also I feel like some of the other hotbox criticism comes from the fact that a lot of this is carryover from the original TMNT games which were known for being insanely difficult even on easy mode.
@@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment the good old days when one would be stuck on the technodrome because the game doesnt tell you how you throw enemies at shredder and you just had to be lucky to figure it out.
I generally agree with what you say here, too. The flying enemies all have clear indication of where they're flying above, the only annoying part with them is maybe timing your jump attacks or getting rid of them quickly (like the helicopters). But otherwise they're not hard to deal with, either use a super or just the springing jump attack. And usually the worst thing for me is when you accidentally dodge into an attack. I've personally loved the game myself, been playing it a lot with various different friends to experience it with them especially. One of those things I've always wanted to play with people but never could before.
I don't know if they added any homage for James Avery being Shredder's voice actor from the original 1987 cartoon (Rest his soul), but if they didn't, I would of loved if they had some of the background businesses be named after his roles. Like adding a restaurant called "Uncle Philip's Pillowy Mounds O' Mash." Something like that.
I never knew about the Kraang and Shredder acting like an old married couple. I was exposed to the franchise by the 2012 series where the Kraang essentially just supplied Shredder with an army of robot alien soldiers.
As someone who was born in 82' and grew up with these guys. Playing the game with my brothers online now that we are older reminds me of when we use to play Turtles 2 and Turtles in Time on the Arcade in our garage. ( Father was an arcade collector with 4 boys.) While playing I was hit with nostalgia the who time........... but something, something about the mall stage and the music hit me so hard I had to pause cause I almost started to cry cause of the huge train of emotions from my past being a latch-key kid in the 80's and 90's with my brothers. This ......... This is a true Turtles game and I could not be more proud of the developers.
0:10 The 1984 TMNT comic book was "pitched" satirically, much like Dragon Ball was a satire of its respective genre. The whole thing was a joke, spoofing Marvel's daredevil comics. The 1987 cartoon was an unironic cash grab around the memorabilia and toys. If you care, the IDW comics in recent years take the content pretty serious and tell a great story. Other than the 1990 movie, it's the best iteration. I love the turtles, even if there aren't many great representations of them, in my opinion.
I don't know if I'd say completely unironic. In fact, it almost felt like a parody of the toy based shows of the decade. They just as often broke the fourth wall as they did making fun of the retro catapult. As if to say, "Yeah, we're a sci-fi B movie, but at least we recognize the camp unlike Transformers or Thundercats or SilverHawks." That being said, the marketing did its job and it was inescapable like Real Ghostbusters or Garfield Cat. Ninja Turtles merch and clothes everywhere until Power Rangers came along and kicked their shells. Then the Pokemon craze took over. Praise for the 2003 cartoon after a 5 year break.
Fun Fact: The original comic Baxter Stockman is Black and April O'Neil is his lab assistant. Also, April is based off of Kevin Eastman's ex-fiance who was biracial.
I'm glad they decoded to Wingnut and a few other from the TV Series from the show a chance for a whole new comeback. Unlike Sonic Mania; though It may have family and nostalgic stages but these guys did the Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time treatment and weren't too afraid to truly be faithful to both the orignal show and Turtles In Time. You literally get to fight the Statue Of Libert as a robot that could've been the final boss of the original arcade It was based on but you truly get that childhood wish becoming a full reality!!!
I played the old games with 2 of my friends when we were kids, and somehow we were able to catch up and make time to play Shredder's Revenge together on Steam. We were able to beat the game on our first run (over a few days), but the two of us who are generally very good at games found normal difficulty pretty easy, while the friend who is more casual had a lot of difficulty with "depth perception," especially regarding flying enemies. The trick is to keep track of your shadow/board relative to your enemies' shadows/boards. Also, I was playing as April at first, and found her to be much better at hitting airborne enemies with her rising and dropping attacks than other characters that I tried.
Honestly. It's great to be turtles fan atm with Shredder's Revenge being so good, the new rise movie dropping in a month and the other movie we're getting in 2023 and the potential of getting The Last Ronin comic book extended.
More than hype, better than Legend...its a dream come true! For us longtime fans( whether in the 80s, 90s, 00s) its easy to see why we love this game; whether its the nods to the classic show, previous games or crazy combos...but the real magic is anyone unfamiliar with TMNT can enjoy the awesomeness of this title!
Saber, I'm really glad you brought onboard others to share thoughts on this game! Though I feel Tom was a bit nitpicky on the gameplay; but its welcomed to get some insight how it the it could improve! Great coverage everyone!
Got this game for a friend of mine so we can coop it. We both loved SOR4 and still pop into its "roguelite" missions from time to time, so this is right up our alley. I did notice what was stated here though - the minimal tells and the super armor bosses have that make them less enjoyable to fight. When I saw one of the achievements is "Not getting hit", I immediately knew trying to do that would be a real chore because of this. SOR4's bosses had minimal super armor. They only tended to have them during special attacks, and said attacks had enough wind up to allow you to dodge or move out of the way if you aren't being greedy. There was one boss that had near constant super armor, and he's labeled as the least fun one to fight (at least in my circle of friends). In Shredder's Revenge though, all the bosses (that I've fought so far) are like that one boss in SOR4. You can't really be strategically aggressive. As a youtuber named Jontron once said: "You gotta touch em a little and go!" which isn't as fun as slipping in between a boss' defenses and being rewarded with a combo opportunity like you can do in SOR4. But these are just simply negatives that shave off 1 or 2 points from a 10/10 game. I love it so far and it'll be ultra fun to coop it regardless.
The minimal tells and super armor are carryovers from the original TMNT games. Theyre intentional the Konami TMNT games are known for being insanely hard. Like the original TMNT games are what introduced the insanely difficult water level trope. The boss tells and hit boxes were never in the originals and it's weird that it was carried over, but it feels like this was done more as a nostalgia thing than anything else.
@@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment Yeah I've played the older TMNT games and they do have that similarity. It's one thing I never liked about them. At the end of the day it's more of a personal opinion about game design. Are you into being aggressive or defensive? Aggressive = SOR style, Defensive = TMNT style.
@@soulechelon2643 I agree, I genuinely feel that most of the videos criticism comes off as missing the point that the difficulty is more or less nostalgia for nostalgias sake. I do think that it's something that could have been updated to make it more modern, because I agree with you that some of it is unecessary and didn't need to be brought over. However, knowing how fanboys can be (and speaking as one myself) I know someone would have complained loudly had those elements not been brought over. But why anyone would want it brought over.... Idk, but either way ya slice it, it's an amazing play, even with it's faults (I'm just glad they wisely didn't include a water level)
Thing that surprises me most is there was no mention of how great the soundtrack is throughout the game. Tee Lopes and the sound design team all deserve a lot of credit for all of the sound and music in here because it's amazing, and hitting things sounds so satisfying. Plus the voice acting is really good, a lot of fun dialogue and funny reactions to situations you can find yourself caught in. All the detail with the enemies and players' animations is also so cool, everything is so brimming with personality. Love to see a beat 'em up game trying to break the mold this way and mix up what you'd expect.
Love all the cameos and classic lines, playing it since day 1 due to Gamepads but as someone who has watched the original series as kid really early on, I have to admit not to recognize some of the badguys that didn't receive too much screen time.
Love this game so much! I can't get enough of it. I love how the creators respected the old arcade games and built off of that to give us something similar with beautiful updates.
I played so much of Turtles in Time growing up with my 3 older brothers since it was perfect for all 4 of us to play together, really looking forward to playing this with some of them when we get around to it.
Damn Saber, you didn’t have to hit me that hard with memory. I didn’t spend my day at a gymnastics place but a cheerleading one and I have distinct memories of retreating to a corner with a game boy
For what it's worth, In Japan, these kind of beat-em-ups with this type of tilted camera and z-axis movement are called "belt-scrolling" action games, a goofy way of comparing it's movement to something more akin to a conveyer belt. Also, Tom! Speaking of belt-scrollers, there was another beat-em-up that was released at the time as Shredder's Revenge; a more conventional but amazing-feeling beat-em-up called Final Vendetta. I think Tom, who is a fan of beat-em-ups, would like it; not as much as Fight'N Rage, but certainly not a waste of time or money.
I was so stoked when this game was announced. I loved Turtles in Time back on SNES. I saw that there were pre-order bundles that had pizza hut coupons in it... I absolutely hate modern day Pizza hut, but for some reason those coupons for free pizza hut pan pizzas made me nostalgically excited.
I think it's probably one of the best nostalgia game we've had in the last ten years. Don't have any complaints, feels good and the only turtles game I like more is turtles in time.
Can definitely tell this was written by a couple of guys who aren't terribly versed on the genre in general. Happy they had fun but a lot of the complaints boil down to "I didn't pay attention or experiment with the move set". I'm a very average gamer but a definitely above average gaming enthusiast and I managed to get through the story mode with less than two death, it gives the player so many opinions to avoid damage or get the jump on an enemy.
For the record, Wingnut and Screwloose (as well as Manta Ray, who I haven't heard mentioned in association with this game) originated in the Archie Cappearances
I beat the whole game with my friend and thought this was SO GOOD! (play as April or blue or orange turtle those are the best ones) Such a Fantastic Game!!!
I would love it if they released a dlc or something where we can have more playable characters in the game like Mondo Gecko, the Neutrinos, Mona Lisa, Lotus Blossom, Metalhead etc, or fight more classic 87 villains like Slash, Leatherhead or the Rat King
was about to post the same, I believe it's cabinet. The side views aren't distorted to show full detail, but the front is still forced into the front view.
Don't think he was upset about it, merely pointing out his approach and understanding of the game genre. But he also can't fairly give a 100% experienced review of it either due to his lack of experience.
Nothing hammered that point home more than getting the Capcom Beatemup Collection and seeing just how vicious the ai of the baddies in Final Fight were.
@@Jedda678 Saber sounded a little annoyed to me. Not that I fault him for that if he was. It is a little annoying at least. And yeah, someone with more experience can definitely deliver a more concise review.
@@pmcollectorboy2929 (laughs) I remember my first contact with Final Fight back in the day , It was on an arcade cabinet and that was quite the education. Unfortunately, the beat-em-up genre is a little cheap in certain design aspects. So forcing your way through is almost unavoidable.
@@marybdrake1472 I remember playing Final fight 3 as a kid and also bringing an AI along with me to help me play through the game, even tho it was by myself I still had a blast fighting with an ally back then, I wish more modern games had an AI 2 player mode.
My family got this game just a while ago, and I we LOVED it! My little brother especially enjoyed it and has replayed it at least 4-5 times now. We even ordered pizza half way through playing lol. 😂 🍕 I do agree that the vertical enemies were a huge pain and was probably the most frustrating part for me. Personally, I was not around for the OG ninja turtles, but I still got a bunch of the references (my dad got more of them than me though). Super fun. 10/10 would play again! 👍
I was in the second I SAW this game. I couldn't explain how but I always know when a pixelart game is being made with so much love it can't help but be good
While it's cool and all, it's kinda surprising there's still so much stuff being made for a show that frankly doesn't hold up too well. Kinda wish the better shows from the franchise got more love in the game department.
They’re also coming out with one based of the the ROTMNT series! The series has beautiful animation and great characterizations so I doubt the movie will turn out bad.
@Saberspark 64 Video ideas: What the HELL is Brain Dead 13? What the HELL is Phantasmagoria? What the HELL is Night Trap? What the HELL is Phantasmagoria: A Puzzle of Flesh? What the HELL is Plumbers Don't Wear Ties?
That's exactly what I've been thinking, would've made for a good expansion to this game (though the devs have confirmed that there won't be DLC). But really a "Turtles Forever 2" anything would be cool, whether it be a game, comic, or movie.
The background looks Dimetric. I didn't really measure it out but the "top" angles look more shortened than in Iso. However, there are parts that definitely are drawn isometrically IMO
Honestly, according to legend the TMMT comics creators (yes the comic came first) discussion about creating the project was not unlike the brainstorming session that Saber pretended as a joke
I will admit that dodging took me a while to master, but once I got the hang of it I didn’t have much issue. I honestly don’t have any issue with the enemy tells. There are definitely frustrating bits but I never found obstacles that felt utterly insurmountable… except for the dinosaur stage. That stage can go right to hell.
My favorite characters to play are Raph and Casey. But they're all great! I like how they're all slightly different for different play styles. I'm too aggro, so Raph fit me well. haha
I really hate how the term "game mechanic" does not translate at greek. I tried translating it a few times and then I tried to google the translation but I didn't find any good results. for years I was confused whenever I heard this term.
Im not a fan of TMNT I just know the name and color. The foot. The ninja guy. Shredder or something like that I started playing it thanks to xbox game pass And I think its a fun game Probably will finish it by playing it time by time. Not being my principal game But a "Im bored. Lets play TMNT" I think it will be a fun experience
Realized about halfway through the video that I could figure out which one of the narrators played which turtle. I enjoyed watching it with that in context until it was practically admitted in context. Lol.
Be curious if you heard of that fan game "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Rescue-Palooza!" Play as nearly everyone from the turtles universe but mechanics are a bit closer to the 90s games that shredders revenge.
I like the game quite a bit. Tons of charm, satisfying beat-ups, great soundtrack and wonderful pixel art! And playable April!🥰 Flying enemies are a bit of a pig to deal with but overall I am solidly entertained and gripped by the gameplay.
The game looks really nice.... But I kinda hate side scrolling beat em ups.... And I think I'd need some assist/accessibility options that directly affect the core mechanics of the game.... Like maybe something that highlights which enemies are on the same plain as me so I know I'm going to hit them for sure.... Less enemies at once and more indicators of where and when they're going to attack so it's easier to avoid attacks.... And modifying how much damage I do and take...
I mean the whole series was based on what was basically a joke. artists sitting around saying "What is the most ridiculous idea we can come up with" so they took a fast thing and put it on a slow thing just for fun. Then they made a comic and then some one saw the comic said "Lets make some changes and do a cartoon"
I uh...never had any problems hitting the flying enemies...but then again for the first few hours of launch I was in the top 10 of arcade mode and also beat it with one credit sooooo
also the point of the uppercut attack is so you DON'T spam the flying kick like how that was the GOD move of the OG turtles games. Though it does over prioritize all attacks. So what happens sometimes is one may be trying to uppercut another player in 2 or more players and you get hit. Also the issue you are having with the dodge sounds more like...to be blunt you are spamming it. Also the tells are honestly pretty good...I kinda wonder if you guys are spamming
I cant say I had any of the issues mentioned. Yes I did catch the arcade cheat of enemies can cancel you move but I've accepted that arcade games cheat since the beginning.
What did y'all think of the game? Any praise or complaints?
Not yet
It's totally turtles 🤓
No complaints, just praise. Even though I never played and never will for lack of resources reasons, this is definitely, a welcome back to the genre people thought it died, and to also remind us that this is the cartoon we all grew up with.
Castle crashers still better.
It's good
COWABUNGA!! Thanks for lettin me join yall!
The original TMNT comic book was surprisingly gritty and brutal. I found out later that that was done on purpose, because the team was inspired by Daredevil.
Actually they were straight up a parody of Daredevil. Daredevil fights The Hand, the TNMT, fight the Foot Clan for example. Also, the reason they love pizza is because DD hates it
@@kaze66613 Also, Daredevil's master was named Stick, while the Turtles' master was named Splinter.
Another fun fact; the "Teenage" & "Mutant" parts were inspired by the X-Men, whom were originally was teenaged mutants.
Also in one version of the comic, the turtles are mutated by chemicals that fall int the sewer from an accident designed to be almost identical to the one that blinded daredevil.
Basically Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird were brainstorming one night, and Eastman drew a short squat Turtle wielding nunchucks. Laird thought it was funny that slow clumsy animal like a turtle could be a ninja. So they decided to run with the idea, put some Daredevil parody in it, and that first issue sold like gangbusters. Then just kept having fun with, it’s dark gritty, while same some completely wacky with killer robots, mutants, aliens, time travel, etc. and the rest is history.
@@kaze66613 also the truck the ooze canister fell off of is literally the same truck that other chemical waste fell off that blinded Matt Murdock. They didn’t hide the fact that they were parodying Daredevil.
Got the game this week. It's a great tribute to the old arcade TMNT games, but also its own thing. Most importantly, it's fun.
I will disagree with Tom on a few points:
1.) Uppercuts typically have large vertical and forward hit boxes to function as anti-airs. So naturally it stands to reason uppercut will beat a dive kick. I agree there should be a trade but you shouldn't win outright, that isn't how anti-airs in beat em ups and fighting games work.
2.) Dodging with the dodge button isn't the only way to avoid damage. Your super gives you full invincibility for the duration. You use your super to not only avoid damage, but dish it out in return. You can cancel most attacks into supers.
3.) Vertical enemies aren't that big of an issue in most stages, the only issue are the auto scrolling stages usually due to foreground art assets or a lot of visual clutter. You are certainly right in your criticism that it is a tad difficult to figure it out at a casual level, but even your average player should be able to discern fairly easily most flying enemies.
Your criticisms are valid but some of it does seem to be what I am assuming to be forgetful of other mechanics even if they exist in multiple game genres.
At least this is my take on it.
I was actually writing something up like this but saw your comment. I used dodge rolls liberally during my combos in order to get out of the way and beat those no hit challenges. And just spamming the jump attack move on the flying enemies kills them quickly and in one hit.
I think the only enemy I have a complaint with are the giant mousers because their chomp grab has little to no wind up so you get caught very easily.
I feel a couple of the criticisms were not invalid but just have come from misunderstanding like you said.
@@maxsayo yeah and it does feel cheap at times when the AI hits you, and he isn't wrong there isn't a lot of visual indication in some attacks but for the most part you have enough time to make a split second decision to attack or dodge. It also depends on the difficulty, at hard the AI is more aggressive and more prone to input reading.
I agree with this too.
My usual strategy is just to jump.
Also I feel like some of the other hotbox criticism comes from the fact that a lot of this is carryover from the original TMNT games which were known for being insanely difficult even on easy mode.
@@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment the good old days when one would be stuck on the technodrome because the game doesnt tell you how you throw enemies at shredder and you just had to be lucky to figure it out.
I generally agree with what you say here, too. The flying enemies all have clear indication of where they're flying above, the only annoying part with them is maybe timing your jump attacks or getting rid of them quickly (like the helicopters). But otherwise they're not hard to deal with, either use a super or just the springing jump attack. And usually the worst thing for me is when you accidentally dodge into an attack. I've personally loved the game myself, been playing it a lot with various different friends to experience it with them especially. One of those things I've always wanted to play with people but never could before.
I don't know if they added any homage for James Avery being Shredder's voice actor from the original 1987 cartoon (Rest his soul), but if they didn't, I would of loved if they had some of the background businesses be named after his roles.
Like adding a restaurant called
"Uncle Philip's Pillowy Mounds O' Mash." Something like that.
With tiny onions. Floating in a nice cream sauce.
@@Paiste2002Fan Oooh~
I never knew about the Kraang and Shredder acting like an old married couple. I was exposed to the franchise by the 2012 series where the Kraang essentially just supplied Shredder with an army of robot alien soldiers.
They definitely had a Megatron and Starscream abusive relationship going on.
It was Rise for me but I still love 2012
As someone who was born in 82' and grew up with these guys. Playing the game with my brothers online now that we are older reminds me of when we use to play Turtles 2 and Turtles in Time on the Arcade in our garage. ( Father was an arcade collector with 4 boys.) While playing I was hit with nostalgia the who time........... but something, something about the mall stage and the music hit me so hard I had to pause cause I almost started to cry cause of the huge train of emotions from my past being a latch-key kid in the 80's and 90's with my brothers. This ......... This is a true Turtles game and I could not be more proud of the developers.
0:10 The 1984 TMNT comic book was "pitched" satirically, much like Dragon Ball was a satire of its respective genre. The whole thing was a joke, spoofing Marvel's daredevil comics.
The 1987 cartoon was an unironic cash grab around the memorabilia and toys.
If you care, the IDW comics in recent years take the content pretty serious and tell a great story. Other than the 1990 movie, it's the best iteration. I love the turtles, even if there aren't many great representations of them, in my opinion.
What's wrong with the 2003 series?
I don't know if I'd say completely unironic. In fact, it almost felt like a parody of the toy based shows of the decade. They just as often broke the fourth wall as they did making fun of the retro catapult. As if to say, "Yeah, we're a sci-fi B movie, but at least we recognize the camp unlike Transformers or Thundercats or SilverHawks." That being said, the marketing did its job and it was inescapable like Real Ghostbusters or Garfield Cat. Ninja Turtles merch and clothes everywhere until Power Rangers came along and kicked their shells. Then the Pokemon craze took over. Praise for the 2003 cartoon after a 5 year break.
Bro.... We were like 5 years old when the cartoon came out..... People are acting like they were reading their comics back then at that age.
Fun Fact: The original comic Baxter Stockman is Black and April O'Neil is his lab assistant. Also, April is based off of Kevin Eastman's ex-fiance who was biracial.
Got the platinum for this just because I love the series so much. It's nostalgia done to perfection and I had almost everything Turtles growing up
I'm glad they decoded to Wingnut and a few other from the TV Series from the show a chance for a whole new comeback.
Unlike Sonic Mania; though It may have family and nostalgic stages but these guys did the Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time treatment and weren't too afraid to truly be faithful to both the orignal show and Turtles In Time. You literally get to fight the Statue Of Libert as a robot that could've been the final boss of the original arcade It was based on but you truly get that childhood wish becoming a full reality!!!
I played the old games with 2 of my friends when we were kids, and somehow we were able to catch up and make time to play Shredder's Revenge together on Steam. We were able to beat the game on our first run (over a few days), but the two of us who are generally very good at games found normal difficulty pretty easy, while the friend who is more casual had a lot of difficulty with "depth perception," especially regarding flying enemies. The trick is to keep track of your shadow/board relative to your enemies' shadows/boards. Also, I was playing as April at first, and found her to be much better at hitting airborne enemies with her rising and dropping attacks than other characters that I tried.
Honestly. It's great to be turtles fan atm with Shredder's Revenge being so good, the new rise movie dropping in a month and the other movie we're getting in 2023 and the potential of getting The Last Ronin comic book extended.
More than hype, better than Legend...its a dream come true! For us longtime fans( whether in the 80s, 90s, 00s) its easy to see why we love this game; whether its the nods to the classic show, previous games or crazy combos...but the real magic is anyone unfamiliar with TMNT can enjoy the awesomeness of this title!
Saber, I'm really glad you brought onboard others to share thoughts on this game! Though I feel Tom was a bit nitpicky on the gameplay; but its welcomed to get some insight how it the it could improve! Great coverage everyone!
I love how you upload this after the drop for the new rise of the teenage mutant turtles movie trailer yesterday. 💕🐢
Jax geeking out at the end is what I needed XD
Got this game for a friend of mine so we can coop it. We both loved SOR4 and still pop into its "roguelite" missions from time to time, so this is right up our alley. I did notice what was stated here though - the minimal tells and the super armor bosses have that make them less enjoyable to fight. When I saw one of the achievements is "Not getting hit", I immediately knew trying to do that would be a real chore because of this.
SOR4's bosses had minimal super armor. They only tended to have them during special attacks, and said attacks had enough wind up to allow you to dodge or move out of the way if you aren't being greedy. There was one boss that had near constant super armor, and he's labeled as the least fun one to fight (at least in my circle of friends). In Shredder's Revenge though, all the bosses (that I've fought so far) are like that one boss in SOR4. You can't really be strategically aggressive. As a youtuber named Jontron once said: "You gotta touch em a little and go!" which isn't as fun as slipping in between a boss' defenses and being rewarded with a combo opportunity like you can do in SOR4.
But these are just simply negatives that shave off 1 or 2 points from a 10/10 game. I love it so far and it'll be ultra fun to coop it regardless.
The minimal tells and super armor are carryovers from the original TMNT games.
Theyre intentional the Konami TMNT games are known for being insanely hard.
Like the original TMNT games are what introduced the insanely difficult water level trope.
The boss tells and hit boxes were never in the originals and it's weird that it was carried over, but it feels like this was done more as a nostalgia thing than anything else.
@@TheGreyTurtleEntertainment Yeah I've played the older TMNT games and they do have that similarity. It's one thing I never liked about them. At the end of the day it's more of a personal opinion about game design. Are you into being aggressive or defensive? Aggressive = SOR style, Defensive = TMNT style.
@@soulechelon2643 I agree, I genuinely feel that most of the videos criticism comes off as missing the point that the difficulty is more or less nostalgia for nostalgias sake.
I do think that it's something that could have been updated to make it more modern, because I agree with you that some of it is unecessary and didn't need to be brought over.
However, knowing how fanboys can be (and speaking as one myself) I know someone would have complained loudly had those elements not been brought over.
But why anyone would want it brought over.... Idk, but either way ya slice it, it's an amazing play, even with it's faults (I'm just glad they wisely didn't include a water level)
Can't wait for the Cowabunga collection so I can just play Tournament Fighters forever
As a mechanic. I love how this dude is messing with that car and just pulls out the engine and holds it over his head like its nothing.
22:13 I think Horny Donatello was foreshadowing 2012 Donatello.
There was no pitch. They were scouted by the producers after the success of the comics.
Aaaaye shout out to y'all for including Jax. His TMNT is incredible
Thing that surprises me most is there was no mention of how great the soundtrack is throughout the game. Tee Lopes and the sound design team all deserve a lot of credit for all of the sound and music in here because it's amazing, and hitting things sounds so satisfying. Plus the voice acting is really good, a lot of fun dialogue and funny reactions to situations you can find yourself caught in. All the detail with the enemies and players' animations is also so cool, everything is so brimming with personality. Love to see a beat 'em up game trying to break the mold this way and mix up what you'd expect.
Love all the cameos and classic lines, playing it since day 1 due to Gamepads but as someone who has watched the original series as kid really early on, I have to admit not to recognize some of the badguys that didn't receive too much screen time.
Love this game so much! I can't get enough of it. I love how the creators respected the old arcade games and built off of that to give us something similar with beautiful updates.
I played so much of Turtles in Time growing up with my 3 older brothers since it was perfect for all 4 of us to play together,
really looking forward to playing this with some of them when we get around to it.
I demand a Casey Jones variant in his business suit.
"I'M SEEKING EMPLOYMENT. "
Jax blade cameo was unexpected
This was my favorite game of all time
The TMNT was just a joke from two guys and then they realized that they had made something good in their hands
Damn Saber, you didn’t have to hit me that hard with memory. I didn’t spend my day at a gymnastics place but a cheerleading one and I have distinct memories of retreating to a corner with a game boy
Easily my favorite Ninja Turtles video game in a long time. Really looking forward to the Cowabunga Collection when it finally comes out. 🍕🐢
Jaxtheblade LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO
They had to give the turtles the Saturday Morning Makeover because holy moly those comics were brutal and not for kids
It still worked out though.
I had a lot of fun with this game, I only wish there was more.
For what it's worth, In Japan, these kind of beat-em-ups with this type of tilted camera and z-axis movement are called "belt-scrolling" action games, a goofy way of comparing it's movement to something more akin to a conveyer belt.
Also, Tom! Speaking of belt-scrollers, there was another beat-em-up that was released at the time as Shredder's Revenge; a more conventional but amazing-feeling beat-em-up called Final Vendetta. I think Tom, who is a fan of beat-em-ups, would like it; not as much as Fight'N Rage, but certainly not a waste of time or money.
My crew played it last week, quick download, hardly any storage space used.
We spammed the specials to beat the later bosses.
Never thought I’d see saber talk about Tmnt ….
*screams in joy*
I was so stoked when this game was announced. I loved Turtles in Time back on SNES. I saw that there were pre-order bundles that had pizza hut coupons in it... I absolutely hate modern day Pizza hut, but for some reason those coupons for free pizza hut pan pizzas made me nostalgically excited.
The Shredder's Revenge game kinda reminds me of that TMNT Gameboy Advance game that I played as a kid and it was based on the 2007 TMNT movie.
I think Shredder's Revenge was also worked on by the same guys who did a Gameboy Advance game of TMNT.
@@OmarAlikaj Really? I'm surprised.
This and Streets of Rage 4 are absolute must-have titles for any current or former beat em up fans. SOR4 in particular is just so stylish.
I'm going to make a supercut of Jax every time he takes a breath before he talks.
I think it's probably one of the best nostalgia game we've had in the last ten years. Don't have any complaints, feels good and the only turtles game I like more is turtles in time.
Can definitely tell this was written by a couple of guys who aren't terribly versed on the genre in general. Happy they had fun but a lot of the complaints boil down to "I didn't pay attention or experiment with the move set". I'm a very average gamer but a definitely above average gaming enthusiast and I managed to get through the story mode with less than two death, it gives the player so many opinions to avoid damage or get the jump on an enemy.
taking no hits is definitely the worst/hardest challenge in the game, everything else is challenging sure, but at least they're fair
i almost got stage 1, but Beebop hit me with a dash right before he dies, i about threw my controller.
In an alternate timeline the TMNT are a group of sewer-dwelling mutant orangutans and bonobos called the Grate Apes
For the record, Wingnut and Screwloose (as well as Manta Ray, who I haven't heard mentioned in association with this game) originated in the Archie Cappearances
Not sure I ever watched the ‘87 cartoon, but April seems like a sweetheart
Ayyy finally saberspark talks about tmnt my life is complete!
I beat the whole game with my friend and thought this was SO GOOD! (play as April or blue or orange turtle those are the best ones) Such a Fantastic Game!!!
*_"Blue or orange turtle"_*
I'm quite fond of pink rat myself.
i am also quite happy with white mask man.
I remember playing the arcade game with 3 of my brothers. Good times. Good memories.
holy moly someone that actually pronounces NES right it's hard to do it myself cuz everyone else says it differently
I would love it if they released a dlc or something where we can have more playable characters in the game like Mondo Gecko, the Neutrinos, Mona Lisa, Lotus Blossom, Metalhead etc, or fight more classic 87 villains like Slash, Leatherhead or the Rat King
I never watched the 1980's Turtles before but I still had a blast with this game.
8:54 I believe it's called either the cavalier perspective or the cabinet perspective
was about to post the same, I believe it's cabinet. The side views aren't distorted to show full detail, but the front is still forced into the front view.
Saber, pretty everyone brute forces their first beat-em-up title. That's just how it is.
It's nothing to be upset about.
Don't think he was upset about it, merely pointing out his approach and understanding of the game genre. But he also can't fairly give a 100% experienced review of it either due to his lack of experience.
Nothing hammered that point home more than getting the Capcom Beatemup Collection and seeing just how vicious the ai of the baddies in Final Fight were.
@@Jedda678 Saber sounded a little annoyed to me. Not that I fault him for that if he was. It is a little annoying at least.
And yeah, someone with more experience can definitely deliver a more concise review.
@@pmcollectorboy2929 (laughs) I remember my first contact with Final Fight back in the day , It was on an arcade cabinet and that was quite the education.
Unfortunately, the beat-em-up genre is a little cheap in certain design aspects. So forcing your way through is almost unavoidable.
@@marybdrake1472 I remember playing Final fight 3 as a kid and also bringing an AI along with me to help me play through the game, even tho it was by myself I still had a blast fighting with an ally back then, I wish more modern games had an AI 2 player mode.
Just played the game yesterday, after I binged a whole TMNT 2003 retrospective, what a coincidence
My family got this game just a while ago, and I we LOVED it! My little brother especially enjoyed it and has replayed it at least 4-5 times now. We even ordered pizza half way through playing lol. 😂 🍕
I do agree that the vertical enemies were a huge pain and was probably the most frustrating part for me. Personally, I was not around for the OG ninja turtles, but I still got a bunch of the references (my dad got more of them than me though).
Super fun. 10/10 would play again! 👍
I was in the second I SAW this game. I couldn't explain how but I always know when a pixelart game is being made with so much love it can't help but be good
Thanks for being fair here. A LOT of people and critics ignore the problems altogether because of nOsTaLgiA
Me and my friend played it for the first time on my birthday at the very start of the day and it was a blast
Waiting for the physical release at the end of August.
Says the sky enemies are hard to take out, yet his friend can defeat them with ease.
While it's cool and all, it's kinda surprising there's still so much stuff being made for a show that frankly doesn't hold up too well. Kinda wish the better shows from the franchise got more love in the game department.
I used to have a TMNT backback in the 90s. Wait, GOOD movies existed?!
They’re also coming out with one based of the the ROTMNT series! The series has beautiful animation and great characterizations so I doubt the movie will turn out bad.
Man this game looks good!
I'm glad you enjoyed it too!
Teenage mutant ninja hooplas
@Saberspark 64 Video ideas:
What the HELL is Brain Dead 13?
What the HELL is Phantasmagoria?
What the HELL is Night Trap?
What the HELL is Phantasmagoria: A Puzzle of Flesh?
What the HELL is Plumbers Don't Wear Ties?
I think they should do a kind of “Ninja Turtles multiverse” game where it pulls characters from every adaptation
That's exactly what I've been thinking, would've made for a good expansion to this game (though the devs have confirmed that there won't be DLC). But really a "Turtles Forever 2" anything would be cool, whether it be a game, comic, or movie.
The background looks Dimetric. I didn't really measure it out but the "top" angles look more shortened than in Iso. However, there are parts that definitely are drawn isometrically IMO
Honestly, according to legend the TMMT comics creators (yes the comic came first) discussion about creating the project was not unlike the brainstorming session that Saber pretended as a joke
Can’t wait for the compilation too, so far I’m digging shred’s revenge
Awesome review. This show and the movies got me into martial arts and I still love it.
I loved the game. I decided to play through as April and had an absolute blast. I need to go back and play the other characters eventually
I will admit that dodging took me a while to master, but once I got the hang of it I didn’t have much issue. I honestly don’t have any issue with the enemy tells. There are definitely frustrating bits but I never found obstacles that felt utterly insurmountable… except for the dinosaur stage. That stage can go right to hell.
I have to play this cause I am a big TMNT fan and I love TMNT games so use to playing beat Dem up games with the turtles and I miss this kinda games
Now if only they would make a game like this but with The Simpsons or The Real Ghostbusters.
I NEED this company to make a new Simpsons beat-em-up
@@weathermansam2 but they'll have to pay Disney first.
YES! Exactly what I'd like as well.
I say we get the same people who made this and see if they can make us a decent Battletoads reboot.
Damn listening to Jax breathe in between sentences makes me realize how much of this he is saying in one cut.
My brain: Saberspark is doing videogames now?
Also my brain: Anything to get him out of Rule 34 territory...
My favorite characters to play are Raph and Casey. But they're all great! I like how they're all slightly different for different play styles. I'm too aggro, so Raph fit me well. haha
I can not WAIT to play cowabunga collection and really Manhattan project again in general.
I really hate how the term "game mechanic" does not translate at greek.
I tried translating it a few times and then I tried to google the translation but I didn't find any good results.
for years I was confused whenever I heard this term.
Im not a fan of TMNT
I just know the name and color. The foot. The ninja guy. Shredder or something like that
I started playing it thanks to xbox game pass
And
I think its a fun game
Probably will finish it by playing it time by time. Not being my principal game
But a
"Im bored. Lets play TMNT"
I think it will be a fun experience
Realized about halfway through the video that I could figure out which one of the narrators played which turtle. I enjoyed watching it with that in context until it was practically admitted in context. Lol.
By which I mean Tom's dialogue was directly describing what Leonardo was doing on the screen in the boss fight footage.
Really liked the game a lot
Had some good music and the art direction was fantastic
That end clip tho...
Be curious if you heard of that fan game "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Rescue-Palooza!"
Play as nearly everyone from the turtles universe but mechanics are a bit closer to the 90s games that shredders revenge.
i wish we could blend these 2 games. the fight mechanics of SR with the stage variety and cast list of RP.
I like the game quite a bit. Tons of charm, satisfying beat-ups, great soundtrack and wonderful pixel art! And playable April!🥰
Flying enemies are a bit of a pig to deal with but overall I am solidly entertained and gripped by the gameplay.
The game looks really nice.... But I kinda hate side scrolling beat em ups....
And I think I'd need some assist/accessibility options that directly affect the core mechanics of the game.... Like maybe something that highlights which enemies are on the same plain as me so I know I'm going to hit them for sure.... Less enemies at once and more indicators of where and when they're going to attack so it's easier to avoid attacks.... And modifying how much damage I do and take...
If you hate side scrolling beat-em-ups then this game is not for you. Plain and simple.
I mean the whole series was based on what was basically a joke. artists sitting around saying "What is the most ridiculous idea we can come up with" so they took a fast thing and put it on a slow thing just for fun. Then they made a comic and then some one saw the comic said "Lets make some changes and do a cartoon"
I uh...never had any problems hitting the flying enemies...but then again for the first few hours of launch I was in the top 10 of arcade mode and also beat it with one credit sooooo
also the point of the uppercut attack is so you DON'T spam the flying kick like how that was the GOD move of the OG turtles games. Though it does over prioritize all attacks. So what happens sometimes is one may be trying to uppercut another player in 2 or more players and you get hit. Also the issue you are having with the dodge sounds more like...to be blunt you are spamming it. Also the tells are honestly pretty good...I kinda wonder if you guys are spamming
I cant say I had any of the issues mentioned. Yes I did catch the arcade cheat of enemies can cancel you move but I've accepted that arcade games cheat since the beginning.
I love the new game so much. It was so much fun beating the game. Such a good tribute to the older games 🥰🥰
17:57 I thought we were over using that word, came here to watch a TMNT review not hear ableist slurs.
It's a little on the short side, but I still like it.
This was pretty great
Where can I buy a PS4 copy of this game? Amazon and GameStop says it won’t be released until August 31st, and yet everyone seems to be playing it.