UniFi's Low-Key Affordable 10 Gigabit Switch - USW-Aggregation
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2022
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BIggest takeaway from this video is that USW-Aggregation is affordable 10gig until you become a UniFi fanboy
Haha basically!
Became a unifi fanboy. Now I'm poor.
@@sofascialistadankulamegado1781 hahahahhaa same. But still cheaper than HAM radio
@@leeedward9988 oh, you too? lol
No L3, not even Ubiquiti’s very limited implementation of L3, is a downer. I’m pretty sure the hardware supports L3 offloading. The Aggregation Pro is about triple the price if you want L3.
This is my first time seeing one of your videos, I don't give out compliments easily - but you definitely deserve one! You hit on every single one of the questions I had about this switch and did it without the annoying and cringey antics that are all too common on YT these days. You've earned a sub! Thank you.
Thank you so much for the kind words and support!
Thanks for the demo and info, jumped the gun, based on your review and feedback and now got the unifi aggregation switch. Have a great day
First time viewer of your channel. I really liked the flow. Made everything easy to understand. Easy sub. Can't wait to watch more videos. 😎
Thanks for checking out the video. I appreciate the support!
Just excellent. Subscribed. I am really glad you did mention byte/bit aspect of things which many nowadays don't get.
Haha. You’d think it would be common knowledge right? Thanks for the support!
Super high quality video for a smaller channel. Keep it up... You're likeable, knowledgable, and great and explaining
Thank you for the kind comments!
Thank you for making this video! I enjoyed it!
Thanks for checking out the video. I appreciate the support.
Hi Samir, great review, thanks! Excellent explanation about this Unifi Switch. I like that you speak fast, no need to accelerate the video. Can I mention a tiny bit suggestion? when you edit the cuts, maybe give an extra time so you can eliminate the frame when you move your hand down to put pause...
This was explained very well, great video. Thank you.
This switch suited a purpose and was named accordingly. Most UniFi stuff has 2 sfp ports, connecting more than one switch to a WAN with aggregated links or more than 2 sfp downlinks would have been impossible without this aggregate switch. It’s an important part of a redundant business ecosystem but functions just fine as a super fancy switch at home where it still suites the need of connecting many sfp devices or a few with redundant links.
I highly recommended isolating Poe switches with fiber links instead of DAC or Ethernet (especially shielded cable). Linking with DAC or shielded cable essentially makes a common ground between units which may act wonky if the whole chassis isn’t also grounded locally especially if you have any ESD protectors on a outdoor ground outside of the electrical panel circuit or are connecting separate network rooms that may be on different circuits. Not to mention if 500 watts of Poe power went the wrong way when a switch dies.
Great point about isolating PoE switches, and maybe in general if a switch is not on the same circuit as the other end of a DAC connection... essentially avoiding a ground loop. I have found that, in general, fiber may be the way to run downlinks to remote switches... avoiding the ground loop is an added bonus.
I've had mine for over a year now paired with a UDM-Pro and a 24 port pro poe switch. My main system and server sun off 10G and the poe switch connects through it as well. It just gives such a versatile way to expand a network for fairly cheap.
Totally! I think it’s a hidden gem in UniFi’s lineup.
Great video! I’ve been toying with the idea of buying the Aggregation switch once the NVR is in stock again and as my home network grows. I’ve been running cat6 since I bought my house last year and am thrilled ATT brought us true fiber a few months ago.
Keep in mind with CAT6 cables youll have to use SFP+ to RJ45 transceivers with this switch. I don’t recommend using too many of those because it gets super hot!
Excellent video !
Great video. Thank you!
I’ve got one of these in a detached office on the end of a 150 foot fiber run. Gives me a dead silent 10 gig connection back to my NAS and a place to plug in another wireless AP. Been working flawlessly for me so far. A steal at less then $300.
For sure! The price is incredible for what it can do in setups beyond what it was “intended” for!
You need to add the price of 2 transceivers, and you are now near 400$. Add 2 more and that $300 switch is now $500. And the prices inscrease if you have the 24-port.
For home use, the TP-Link TL-SX1008 8 x 10GE - RJ45 @400$ is a much better value imo.
Depends on use case. Consider a situation where most of your servers, NAS are near the switch where you’re using DAC cables (like my situation). Makes it so much cheaper than a rj45 switch.
@@TechTalkwithSamir DAC cables infer that your servers/NAS all have SFP+ ports - which in prosumer is kinda rare - unless you bought a 10GE SPF+ network card and added to your servers or have an almost enterprise level NAS.
At that point, you are beyond home usage and the 4 x 10GE SFP+ switch you are showcasing is kinda of useless. Most built-in 10GE ports are RJ45 80% of the time on appliances, thus the advantage of having a switch with 8 x 10GE-RJ45 instead of SFP+ ports. The cost of transceivers must not be discarded - and they break more often than one can think.
None of my devices has built in 10g ports. I bought cheap $30 SFP+ cards off eBay to add 10G. RJ45 10G NICs cost more too!
It is my core switch for my 10gb backbone for months now it works great
It really is an awesome switch and quite the value at $270
This was a very informative video and you are correct copper optics as well as network cards get so hot you could fry an egg on them. I'm currently working on redoing my lab and I will be going all dac or fiber it's just more efficient.
I love this switch... without question.. I am even using it in my townhouse.
Great stuff bud.. going to check this out now..
Thanks for the support!
I use this one as the core switch for my home network / homelab. It performs well, and it's fanless so it's very quiet.
For sure. This thing is a hidden gem in UniFi’s lineup.
Well done video. This helped me decide on purchasing the USW-Aggregation over the Switch Enterprise 8 PoE, and save quite bit of money in the process.
Glad I was able to help!
Really good video! I'm in the process of going to do a wiring job on my house and looking at my options. You gave me some good advice, plus questions I had regarding the jacks. I still think I might go with Cat6a for wiring, but might just stick with 1GB for now.
If you are re-wiring, pull OM3 fiber to some key rooms. I'm most comfortable with Ethernet, and it is easier to work with, but fiber is far more future proof (the same OM3 fiber that runs 1G, will also run 100G up to 100 meters), and it works better at 10G than Ethernet.
You are SO correct on Bytes vs Bits vs GiB (Gibibytes - yep, as if it's confusing enough)
Samir you are a man of many talents. First time on the channel immediately subbed, you're doing an awesome job in explanations!
Thanks for the support!
Great Video! Thanks
When I wanted to go 10Gig earlier this year, a Mikrotik CRS305 would've done the job, but it seems out of stock or stupidly marked up. I also had PFSense running in a VM on an old Mac Pro running ESXi. But there was also my unifi AC AP Lite that has been chugging along happily for years. So I got the UDM Pro, the USW-Agg (you're right, it's a horrible name for a switch as it seems to imply it only really works as an aggregation point for switches), 3 HP 10Gig SFP+ cards and 4 DAC cables.
It's been great. My compute server is able to access my storage quickly, and my workstation can access my footage quickly too.
I've since added the 16 Port POE+ switch, the LTE backup, 2 G3 Instants and have a few G3 Flex cameras to install when I can run some Cat 6. It's a great system in all, I just wish the NVR could be reconfigured as a NAS.
Great setup. UniFi is great at getting people in their ecosystem.
I recently sold my mikrotik switch for $100. I think the guy got a great deal.
I picked up this switch around the same time you did, and I still agree with all your points here. It's been a rock solid switch and, for what you get, an absolute bargain. You just can't knock an 8 port 10GB switch, let alone one compatible with all your other Unifi gear, for under $300. Absolute steal.
Totally agree! No regrets at all even till this day!
You can use regular sfp transceivers and cables between this switch and other sfp only devices, just keep to one format or the other per line (don't mix/match sfp and sfp+ cables and transceivers.)
I am doing exactly same thing with this switch, 3 truenas servers, 2 workstations , and 2 24 port Ubiquiti POE switches.
Thanks for the video
I think a lot of people went for the Pro AG or the enterprise PoE for L3 switching for users who have multiple VLANs on one switch
This is an amazing device, I have this and a UDM Pro
It really is. And at its price point, it’s really a hidden gem!
Absolutely amazing video on the topic, thank you so much :)
One quick tip for the post production, make sure you take a second before you stop talking and reaching down to hit your stop record button, I could notice it in almost every cut
Yup this particular video was really bad with that aspect. I only noticed it when I was editing and it was already too late. Thanks for the tip!
@@TechTalkwithSamir While I have your attention, I'm about to buy my first unify device for my home network. Is the UDM SE worth the additional money in your opinion over just getting the Pro?
It actually is worth it to buy the SE over the Pro because not only do you get the POE ports to power some devices, but ubiquiti has been neglecting the pro for quite a while now when it comes to software updates. The pro is very behind with its software updates. The SE is running version 3+ while the Pro hasn’t even gone to version 2.
Great video! there's been so little information about this unifi switch on youtube. thanks for making a detailed video on this switch.
I'll be byuing this switch to conenct between my nas & workstation. This will be the first unifi device i own. Any advice on other router/switch to host the controller? Planning to buy an UDM pro in future, but right now all of my money has been spent on upgrading to 10g.
cheers
Thanks for checking out my video. I’m currently making a video of the UniFi Dream Router (video coming later in the week). That might be the best single device to get started with the UniFi eco system.
I've noticed some finickiness with 10G RJ45 SFP's my Unifi Agg switch. I've seen some connection speeds at 5G. They work fine in my US 16 XG and connect at 10G.
I agree with the name. I looked at it few times in the store list but everything I was thinking "Oh, this is probably some enterprise, limited in function piece of gear to make aggregation work in big networks. Instead of regular, fully functional switch
Totally! They could have named it better to appeal to a broader crowd! Thanks for checking out the video!
I bought that switch. I think it is a great deal too!
Totally agree.
nice review!
Thank you for checking out the video.
I have one of these as my core switch for my house.
Definitely a good choice!
Cat5e is sufficient for short runs with 10G Base-T. Just watch the YT videos from the ones who tested it.
Supposedly you might get 25m on a 30m SFP to RJ45 (10G Base-T) transceiver.
Great video! One small (hopefully constructive) criticism is that the excess hand motion is quite distracting. Cheers.
Thanks. Will work on reducing that lol. Have to find the perfect balance
I have this switch. It is very good and 100% silent.
What’s the benefit over daisy chaining router > switch > NVR using the SFP ports?
Excellent video! I've been looking at this switch for a while now. I own a bunch of UniFi SPF+ modules now that I'm using with my UDM Pro SE, but I'm not getting 10GbE speeds when using the SPF+ ports on that device. Looks like a limitation of the UDM Pro. Might have to add this to the mix to add 10GbE networking into the network. Just wondering how much I care about Layer 3 Switching.
What type of speeds are you feeling with the UDM Pro SE? And how are you measuring the speeds? I’ve contemplated getting the UDM Pro SE.
Did you manually set the speed ?
Go to the port, port profile override, and select 10 gbe fdx on the second device and then on the first device.
Auto negotiation has never really worked for 10 GbE
@@nightbladexxx I’ll give that a go. Thanks. Probably should have tires that a long time ago actually.
@@nightbladexxx Dude, that's what it was! Thank you so much!
Quick question, can you connect SPF devices to the SPF+ of this SW ? I have both the 24 ports POE Pro SW (SPF+) and an older 24 port POE SW (SPF only). Also can you connect an USG Gateway pro (old SPF) to it ? What type of cables/connection would you use ?
Yup you sure can. My 24 port switch is actually a regular SFP port. I have it connected to this switch using a DAC cable for uplink.
Hi Samir, Thank you for making these awesome videos. They are super helpful. I recently upgraded my internet to a 5 Gbps connection. The problem I am facing now is that the router has only one 5 Gig port and I have a few other devices to be connected that support 5 Gig speeds. Which switch would you recommend that will allow me to use and get the 5 gig connection (wired with Cat 8 cables) to my devices. This is just for home use.
If you specifically need RJ45 switch, you can get the switch flex XG. That one can support 4 x 10Gig ports(including uplink). But if you have more than 3 devices you need to connect at those speeds, you might be looking at the switch enterprise XG 24. But that one is insanely expensive. If you can instead run fiber then getting the switch aggregation might be the best choice.
@@TechTalkwithSamir Awesome. Thank you Samir for the quick reply. I will try out the Flex XG first. I have only two devices that can support 5 Gig speeds. Rest all are 1 Gig.
Thank you so much for this video. Btw, is this a managed switch? Can you setup VLANs? Does it have a CLI? I have the TP-LINK SX3008F and am considering switching -- no pun intended lol. It has a Cisco-like CLI.
all Unifi gear if managed via a single pane of glass controller. CLI is rather limited and not for normal management.
Blurring out your private IPs was a bit funny. I got the same switch myself in my office and the Enterprise poe switch with 24 2.5G ports and 10G uplink. Super happy with it but it was pricey though.
For sure. The new enterprise switches look sweet!
I mean it's called the USW-Aggregation switch because that's it's intended purpose: An aggregation switch. The target audience is definitely not consumers but SMB's. I think the name could be misleading to someone who does not work in the IT networking space. I think all of your other points about why it might not be popular are spot on.
Sure enough tho I have a large Unifi network at my house with a crs305-1g-4s+in in my office. I think it's time to make the switch! Great video!
Quick observation... I would test editing video projects over the network vs on your NVMe. Some tasks should be much faster. The IOPS of any NMVe drive is going to crush spinning drive in a small array.
For sure! Working off the NVMe is much faster. But due to it being limited in space (video files are so large)… working off of a NAS with 10Gbe has been a good compromise (without dragging files back and forth). Thank you so much for checking out the video. Appreciate the feedback!
You can run 10Gb over CAT5e for 30m (98ft.).
Your luck varies with CAT 5e. I tried with my existing wiring and the connection periodically started dropping.
It should be noted that the 8xSFP+ Mikrotik CRS309-1G-8S+IN has the same price (MSRP $269), and has more functionality/features, including secondary power input via PoE and an RJ45 gigabit port as well as being able to run the full RouterOS. Mikrotik's switch also has a much smaller footprint.
For sure. I think Mikrotik provides a great value for the price. I love my CRS305. The only reason I got this particular UniFi switch is because it’s UniFi and integrates seamlessly with my controller. But if I didn’t care about that, I’d probably be just as satisfied with Mikrotik
its not about microtik and value....if you already have UniFi equipment, and you could seamlessly integrate new one within one control panel - would you collect 10 different vendors with their own implementation of network stack?
That was my reason for making the switch.
@@TechTalkwithSamir making the... Switch...
I just got one of these!! I love it!! Not sure if I can pick your brain on a issue I’m having with it though. So I have gig internet through spectrum which tests about 950 down and 650 up. I get those speeds when my computers are plugged into my 16port Poe switch but when they’re plugged into the 10g aggregate switch the speeds for my internet are now 950/30. Do you know how to solve this issue?
Hmm interesting. Have you tried changing your uplink cable to see if there’s an issue with it? Also is your uplink going to the other 16 port switch or is it going straight to your router?
@@TechTalkwithSamir I haven’t changed the cable but I can give that a shot. It’s plugged into the 16 port
Also another thing to check is to see if you have threat management turned on. If so, check if turning it off makes a difference.
@@TechTalkwithSamir threat management is off, I did try a new cable and plugged it into the router directly. Still no luck😞 thanks for the help though!! I’m just gonna have to get ahold of ubiquity unless if you have any other ideas
So this switch wouldn’t be a good idea to outfit a home, if the SPF to copper/RJ-45 transceivers are used. I understand an SPF uplink (switch/router) is perfectly fine… but SPF as a downlink to devices/endpoints?
Got this for the same reasons you did, plus I wanted to run 10g fiber to a shop I had built about 400ft from my house so that I could get wifi/ethernet connectivity out there. 100% agree this switch is a steal for the money.
It really is a steal!
And because of this video, now the price will skyrocket :)
Haha. I wish I had that much influence lol
I’ve been using one of these for a couple of years now and it’s great. It’s just weird that it doesn’t support L3. A real aggregation switch definitely would support L3.
It’s just a simple managed sfp+ switch
Yup. And that’s probably why it doesn’t get much attention. It misses the mark for both use cases due to the naming and functionality discrepancy
Would you recommend this on top of a Switch Enterprise with PoE?
That one is for a completely different purpose. That one can power access points and cameras over Ethernet. And it’s 2.5Gb with 48 ports. So I don’t think you can really compare this one with that. They’re meant for different purposes.
I was thinking about this switch.
Only reason why I am not convinced is, Synology 10Gb one port connection RJ45 and mac mini studio 10Gb rj45 connection. What would be the best way to go?..
For you I would recommend the Switch Flex XG assuming you don’t need more than 4 10Gig ports. That one has 4 RJ45 10 gig ports.
@@TechTalkwithSamir I’ve looked at that model on occasion, and considered it!
For my own needs I’d prefer a few extra ports, and I recently came across the Zyxel XS1930-10, which has 8x multi-gig rj45, and 2x sfp+. It’s a tad more expensive than the UniFi aggregation, but will run over cat6a (and all devices will be next to each other).
They also do a -12F that’s 10x sfp+ and 2x multi-gig rj45, and a -12HP that has 2x sfp+, 2x multi-gig, and 8x multi-gig PoE++. The latter is much more expensive needless to say!
Great video - the commercials were tooooooo long….
Green Bubbles for life!
How do you find the USG in the more modern era? I have a USG Pro and I am finding even that is quite limiting with high speed internet connections.
You will find the Unifi so much better than the Microtik. tThe Microtik is a cheap device, but it really doesn't get 10Gbps speeds, especially once you start adding functionality. Serve the home did a good review on it. Once you start adding some features, like IP Filtering and when dealing with small packet sizes it drops to below 1Gbps throughput.
My internet speed is 350mbps and with the USG as long as I turn off IDS and IPS, it doesn’t affect speeds. But I did just switch to the UDR this week. Video on it coming next week hopefully ☺️
@@TechTalkwithSamir I look forward to he UDR. I was looking at that myself as a replacement for the USG Pro, but I don't like the all in one idea as I already have Access Points and switches. I really just need a new version of the USG that can handle the speeds with IPS turned on :).
@@EsotericArctos I just received the UXG Pro to replace my USG Pro. I can’t to swap them out
I thought the same initially that “I already have APs and switches”. But then I realized that everything else that are standalone devices, costs much more anyways so having additional things built in doesn’t really hurt. Especially after factoring in the price!
Do you use jumbo frames? Just wondering if the speed you are getting is with or without jumbo frames. Thanks.
I don’t have jumbo frames enabled. The speeds I’m getting are without jumbo frames. For me the limitations are the read/write speeds of the disks I’m using so jumbo frames likely won’t improve the transfer rates. It might improve iperf performance but I think the transfer rates are saturated for me.
1 thing a lot of people overlook is the impact on the cpu/chipset which will help overall. On storage and network included.
9k vs 1500mtu = 6 times less fragmentation.
I’m just a min maxing network engineer maybe :)
@@TechTalkwithSamir Thanks for the reply! I had just saw a video by "Viatto" where he enabled jumbo frames and his performance increased, so I was curious. Though it does require making sure every device in the chain has jumbo frames enabled or the packets will get fragmented.
I’ll definitely test out jumbo frames enabled soon! Thanks Rich
Make sure you adjust it in Windows too. I is possible to set your mtu from 1514 to 9000.
Not 100% on the unifi jumbo frames anymore but if your devices can do 9000, aim to set your switch MTU to 9194 if it is possible. This will account for any encapsulation/headers you might have at play (vlan tagging etc)
Also if you do end up saturating all the time and adapt to RJ45 and have issues with the connection even after swapping out GBIC's it's because you are using a cable less than 10 meters. It's common in the enterprise which is why 10 Gig over RJ45 isn't popular in big data implementations.
I’m actually in the process of running fiber to my desktop. Video on the coming out in hopefully two weeks!!
@@TechTalkwithSamir I turned on notifications so hopefully I'll get notified to help support your channel. I do like your content so far and I might even learn something new too.
Very good video Samir, I really thought your insights were spot on. I have a full Unifi system as well but with the SFP+ there is not much here for me unless I spend a significant amount on transceivers moving this well north of $300 and even then like you discuss... not ideal to have more than a couple of them. It makes the most sense to use this as a switch aggregator as Unifi intends. And you are 100% accurate about the green text messages being "substandard" to iPhone users :D Great video!
Glad you liked the video. Thanks for your support! Let’s hope for some day when green bubbles no longer exist lol
Thank you for properly explaining Gbps VS GBps (You earned my respect and sub) Also most people don't have a fast enough storage subsystem to fully saturate 10 Gig networks. Just because you have a Gen4 NVMe drive doesn't mean you can you can write 100GB of data in about a minute and a half. I can saturate it in some of my environments but for most people 2.5-5Gbps is more realistic. We need this because we are creators and video files are HUGE. 🤓😎
Totally agree! Thanks for the support!
@@TechTalkwithSamir Of course!👍
That's computer science 101, lol. A byte is 8 bits. So any prefixes also carry that conversion factor. 1 kB = 8 kb, 1 MB = 8Mb, etc etc. This is also true among the binary prefixes as well: 1 KiB = 8 Kib, 1 MiB = 8 Mib, etc.
Sadly not many options for 2.5 or 5, at least not that I’ve seen in the past couple days. 10gbe is indeed future proofing.
@@gmontenegro9711There are plenty of 2.5Gbps options out there on the market today and for much cheaper than their 10Gbps counterparts. Just not within Ubiquiti's current lineup, you'd have to look at products from TP-Link, Netgear, Mikrotik, etc.
While I do agree 10Gbps is indeed the more future-proof option and makes sense for some people, 2.5Gbps is a much more cost-effective solution and would make more sense for *most* homes. Of course, with that said, if you're watching videos on network switches, you're probably not the average consumer 😛 I have 10Gbps in my home personally, via a mixture of Cat6 and OM3 fibre.
Hi Samir, which Synology model do you have?
Hi! I have the DS1618+. I added a Mellanox ConnectX-3 10Gig card to it to make it 10 gig compatible.
Biggest trouble is even using a multi gig SFP+ it only supports 1/10GbE. Grabbed one and now looking for an alternative.
Not sure what you mean? Can you elaborate? I’m getting multi-gig speeds with both DAC cables and fiber cables.
@@TechTalkwithSamir Have Mikrotik S+RJ10 units, which in other switches let me connect 1GbE, 2.5GbE 5GbE and 10GbE devices to it at 1/2.5/5/10GbE respectively. On the Switch Aggregator it's 1GbE or 10GbE only regardless of the support of the SFP+. There's workarounds like using those standalone SFP+ boxes, but then you also need to apply a limiter to the port on the Switch Aggregator as it assumes it's talking to 10GbE and not 2.5/5GbE. Yes most links will be 10GbE so a non-issue, but makes it difficult for a piece-by-piece migration.
I personally haven’t tried a 2.5Gbe link. I might have to give it a shot to see the same issues you’re seeing.
@@TechTalkwithSamir ServeTheHome has a great listing of which SFP+ units can do 2.5GbE/5GbE. The H!fiber unit is a special case apparently (don't own one) as it presents itself as 10GbE to many switches even if on a 2.5GbE/5GbE link, so might workout better for Ubiquiti switches (with a limiter applied).
That is not 100% incorrect. The speed can be negotiated by the transceiver, but not all transceivers have this function. I have a 2.5gb connection to a pc. The UniFi software shows a 10gb connection, and I am able to transfer at roughly the 2.5gb speed. So it does take a bit more leg work to find a good sfp, but it can be done.
Possible for sfp non plus for 1gb infrastructure?
Yup. That’s how I have my other non 10Gb switches and devices connected to this switch.
My use case is that I have a Synology rackmount NAS with an inexpensive dual SFP+ network card, and then I have my access points attached to a USW Enterprise 8 in the loft. I could have connected everything to my UDM Pro, but the switch backplane is only 1 gig, which seemed a bit undersized when I could upgrade to 3 gig fiber...
Wow 3Gbps internet. Here I am thinking my 350mbps is fast enough haha!
Seems like they could have done a half rack size easily.
You don't say if it's a L3 switch or not. Without VLAN routing it just can't go to the centre of my network
It’s an L2 switch. For my particular application that’s all I need. I think this switch is incorrectly named an “aggregation” switch. Aggregation switches should be L3 like you said.
This is a Layer 2 Aggregate switch... It is NOT designed to be a primary switch... This is designed to bridge multiple Layer 3 switches together to provide resiliency.
Regardless of what it was designed for, it’s great for connecting a few 10Gig devices in a home environment on a budget for high bandwidth applications.
It's freaking Layer 2 and that's pissing me off! Got myself a UXG-PRO to compensate hahaha my USG-4-PRO was struggling with IPS/IDS (somehow it's analyzing the packets when inter-vlan routing; not only from the WAN interface) at 250 Mbit/s
Haha!
Yup, L2 limits this device somewhat. I’ll be installing the UXG Pro soon
Unifi is fine for wifi, but for switches and routers on the cheap Mikrotik all day. Better quality better features better price.
CRS309-1G-8S+IN Cloud Router Switch 8xSFP+ $228 via streakwave - comes with dual power an extra rj45 gigabit port, it will switch all day full rate but on top of that has quite respectable routing performance to boot. Unifi is fine for the 5 things they let you do, but any time you want to do something more your sshing in to shit and you get it running and out of the blue unify breaks. Mikrotik just let's you do everything out of the box and it's all supported.
7:20 You can bend fiber sharper than you can copper repeatedly without long term damage. Fiber does have an ultra tight bending angle where it will permanently break but you have to be trying to do that and your copper cat6 likely would not survive that sort of abuse either.
I think that nobody is talking about it because it is only layer 2 switch.
That’s right. As a result it’s not ideal for an actual aggregation switch. However, for anyone that’s looking to hook up a bunch of devices to talk to each other at 10 gig speeds for a home or small business, it’s a great option!
@@TechTalkwithSamir yeah that is true. But slightly defeats the affordability part if you need to buy Unifi SFP+ modules at $70 each. You end up spending $560 plus the price of the switch.
It depends on your specific needs. If you have most of your high performance devices in the same room as your switch (like servers and NAS devices, you can just get inexpensive DAC cables and that’s all you need. But if all your devices are far away and need to have copper or fiber, then yes you’re right about the expensive SFP+ modules.
@@TechTalkwithSamir it’s a great product if it’s what you need. Personally I feel it’s a very niche product.
It’s definitely a niche product! No doubt about that.
I never had a problem with unifi stuff till I got this was a nightmare 2 weeks worth of emails and tons of videos to how to and still didn’t get working probably I sent it back
I’m curious… what issues were you having?
@@TechTalkwithSamir it would not adopt but only at random times then have to re adopt. When it did adopt it would only stay online for a few mins then go off line and not come back online go and reset it and run back then all my setting just for it to go back of line and after all that I only got half my money back becouse it worked when they tested it and I know that’s a lie cuz I stil have under my account just shows of line
Interesting. Must have been a device specific issue or maybe controller specific. Mine seems to have adopted and worked exactly like any other UniFi switch.
@@TechTalkwithSamir tell that to one of the rep sells of unifi on Amazon they only gave ma half my money back they said it worked fine. on my unifi app it said denied so there’s no way it worked for them. everthing else I have came straight from UniFi and it going stay that way
Put a dual sfp+ nic in your synology and computer. Enable multichannel and don't use link aggregation...double your 10 gbit
But won’t I be limited by my drive read/write speeds anyways?
@@TechTalkwithSamir if you have a nvme as cache drives, that helps. I have one for read and one for write and if the files are in the cache, then I get 1.4 gbit a sec.
Yea that’s what I don’t have. My synology only has one PCI-e slot and I used it for my 10Gig card.
@@TechTalkwithSamir i have a dual sfp+ nic in mine. Intel and not synology own
Mine is also not synology. I got a Mellanox one from eBay.
Hm. I understand the concern with of EOL and stuff, but I think the main reason why this is overlooked is more that the 16XG switch can be had used around 300-350$ and offers not just 12 ports instead of just 8, but also 4x 10G RJ45 ports.
It is noisy, but if you have a rack somewhere in the basement, the 16XG is simply the more flexible and better switch for just a tiny bit more money =)
Yup I definitely looked into the switch XG 16 for several years. But it was always around $600 (brand new) so I always had to contemplate and never actually ended up pulling the trigger. For this one at $279 brand new, the cost was a lot easier to swallow.
@@TechTalkwithSamir Understandable. As someone like myself that bought all his Unifi gear used off of eBay, it was a no-brainer. However, in the meanwhile 3 of the XG16s hat been replaced with the Aggregation Pro, which is also a very fine and stable switch so far.
Wow! You must have a lot of 10G devices!! I’m glad UniFi gives us a lot more options now. For a while the options were very limited for 10Gig.
@@TechTalkwithSamir Right. I wish they would finally default to offering rackmount gear for all their more "desktop" devices and switches as well, and I wish they would default to just using modular power supplies at some point, idealy with a second slot so you can set it up redundantly =D
Honest, it is not that many active devices in my stock, but I hat to not have everything attached that is cabled.
I basically have my workstation connected with 25g any my TrueNAS box connected with 2x 25g, then there is 6x 10g ports utilized by the uplinks of my other 3 switches and another port used to connect the firewall.
All the rest is more or less fiber lines that I have put into every room of the house in case I ever need it, but nothing is connected as of now. Just show and shine rather than actual use for now =D
@@TechTalkwithSamir I just picked up the XG16 locally off Craigslist for $300. It was a steal.
Pro's of UBNT: new stuff regularly, can be OK on pricing, single GUI very handy.
Sucks of UBNT: Limited options at times, huge claims of enterprise when NOT, warranty - good luck, product support is stupif forum full of questions and SFA answers, GUI crashes often, false information regularly, largelt L2 gear, not much L3, lock-in product now, EOL'ing of gear becoming issue, can't get product due to BS Early-Acces crap and made in China.
VLAN support? If not then I'll pass. Also, ithe ports are SFP+ instead of ethernet, so I need to purchase 8 modules to get ethernet connectivity? That's another $500?
Yup it has VLAN support. As for modules, it all depends on the cabling you decide to use. For me personally large majority of the devices are near the switch so I’m just using $15 DAC cables and it works beautifully. I only had to get modules for devices I needed to use RJ45 cables or fiber cables. For me it was only one device so the overall cost beyond the switch price was negligible.
Hmmm, I'll never use their routers. OpnSense or PFSense only. Unifi access points and switches are fine
*ubiquiti devices....unifi is a product line of ubiquiti not it's own brand.
Thanks
I got a mix of Aruba for 10GB and cisco catalyst for my POE.
Nope. Not layer 3. Silly to have to send traffic down to your router to cross vlans. Great for simple networks I suppose.
And that’s precisely who I recommend this to. Those with simple networks that just want to connect multiple end user devices at 10Gig speeds.
its always the cost. you can only justify 10gig networking if you make money off compute services.
Jesus, crazy hands... Tone it down a bit.
Thanks for the suggestion. Still working on the perfect balance of hand movement!
is a switch bro, not being unify is not even a reason, it does nothing else
Totally! But for some people, OCD kicks in lol
"At most gigabit"
um no. Most devices for the past year have been coming with 2.5 gigabit.
Unifi doesn't have much in 2.5g until one gets to the $$$ enterprise gear, they are missing the boat on this. Home labbers are very interested in 2.5g, but unifi is pricing them out, I'm starting to look at options outside of unifi for at least some of my switching gear.
I have the aggregation switch and it has reduced my Internet speed to all devices connected to it.
I have a 2.5Gbps Fiber connection and the aggregation switch if a device is connected to it reduces the speed dramatically and exhibits one of the following issues.
1. Download is maxed out for the SFP port linked via RJ45 to a computer or the upload is maxed out and the download is severely reduced.
PC 1. Download 940Mbps / Upload. 120Mbps
PC 2. Download 600Mbps / Upload 2450Mbps.
I have no idea what's going on :(
I thought I read that a device that's on a separate Vlan through aggregation 8 port can cause issues which would be my 10Gbps UNVR as it's on its own Vlan with cameras.
Untill you use ruckus Lol ruckus destorys unifi
Hiding intranet IP addresses. Wow, you're such a pro, man.
stop moving your hands so much! got me dizzy
This guy needs to slow down when he talks slow down dude.
I’ll try lol. Thanks for the advice
Everyone I know in the ISP industry and Consulting industry move as far away from UniFi as possible. Including myself. I would have stuck with MikroTik for networking because ever buying UniFi networking gear.
Stop moving your hands!
Thanks for the suggestion.
Please, please stop moving your hands so much!!!
Thnx for the feedback. Definitely need to find a better balance!! Learning as I go lol
This video is pretty misleading... how is it a steal when it still needs to purchase a transceiver module for every port...
Depends on your situation, for a lot of people their servers and high performance devices are close to the switch in the network room. They can use really cheap DAC cables for those and just call it a day. Of course if you are planning on operating with RJ45 only, it can add up quite fast.
Ouch... Audio is REALLY out of sync... Headache
Unifi is still trash.
Then dont use it
Move on!!
300 is not that affordable , under 100 is affordable ,,
Except it is Ubiquiti. Hard pass.
No, thanks. If you have a 10GBit/s aggregation switch, then you should be having 1-2 uplink ports of at least 25GBit/s.
Designs like this where there is no faster uplink port need to die.
I personally think this device still has a purpose. It could serve as the core switch that serves as the uplink to several 1 gig switches.
depends, if the uplink goes to udm-pro, there is no need for 25Gbit/s. Aggregation is a victim of its time, thats why there is new pro-aggregation model.