I earn 100k flying 280 hours a year! I'm a aerial applicator (crop duster). First spraying season I had 220 hours total time. Only made 25k, that's in the 2 month season, and then second season got a bigger plane and did 80k, just did my 3rd season and cleared 100k. Flying stick and rudder all day and loving every minute of it!
It also has the highest fatality rate of any flying job. And chemical exposure often so harmful it will impact your life expectancy. Roundup for example already found to cause cancer. And you are breathing this stuff every day of your career. But good luck. You will need it.
@@danhammond9066 Sorry man your actually far off, times have changed with new aircraft. Aerial Application has the second lowest fatality rate in aviation next to airlines. That's the most recent numbers. There's a reason insurance on a 1,000,000 dollar airtractor is only .8% value a year. Also chemicals have come a long ways since the old days, they are not even remotely as harmful as they used to be, far less toxic as welding fumes in nearly all cases! I have a wife and 3 kids, I wouldn't be doing it if it was as dangerous as people think it still is!
@@FWDSlip I don't know if CFI's are really getting 70K a year but I was a student at Galvin Flight School in Seattle and it's expensive. Seattle is expensive, and even if you're making 70k you're paying out the ass to live in Seattle area.
if you have 500 hours you can move to russia and abandon america and your lifetime of student debt. the entire pilot scheme is just a scam to put people in massive amounts of debt, with a job that they have already spent years to get, so instead of leaving and getting more debt and wasting their lives, they just stay as wage slaves, debt slaves. yay america
I got $6.00 per hour back in 1972 as a CFIA. But a C-150 including fuel only cost $16/hour. Inflation has definitely taken its toll. But it seems that $6 bucks per hour in 1972 is way better than $15/hour today. It seems way better. As a college student who worked as a CFIA back in 1972 only on weekends, I was one of the richest kids on campus. I would have $60-70 bucks in my wallet during the week. That's like having at least $300 or more in your wallet today. Can you imaging being a junior on a campus today have $300 bucks in your wallet at all times? Hey girls, wanna go out on a date?
@@daffidavit WOW that's crazy. It was better back in 1972 because those 6 dollars back then, today equal to $37.75 an hour.. That's crazy money for a young person haha. Today we're living on less than people back then even if the # is higher.. That's how the scam works.. In your mind you're making "more" but it buys you less. Our quality of life is worse than it was. Inflation is a hidden tax/robbery.. and that $16 an hour to operate equates to $100.68 today. Source used for this calculation was "usinflationcalculator dot c o m
Nahiyan Haq 250 You may get lucky with a pipeline patrol job , or skydiving if insurance will even let you. 250 cfi is really it , you would be surprised 300-400 even will open the pipeline , skydive. Companies are hesitant with a brand new wet Commericial pilot at 250.
Husker....I was stuck there too. Kind of a "dumb luck" thing though. A guy that had done his multi, at the same time I did (10yrs ago), had been flying missions for Wing of Mercy. He called me out of the blue, last Fall and asked if I could co-pilot for him (WoM requires 2 pilots). ABSOLUTELY!!!! I gained 30+ multi hrs in 2 months...and I didn't have to pay for it! You should look into that (WoM) or "Angel Flight". A lot of those guys already have their SIC that they fly with regularly...but you never know. The guy I flew with, his regular SIC went off to the airlines...I filled the spot! I've only flown with one other guy, when his regular SIC was not available.
Also should have mentioned...putting yourself out there for "safety pilot" for instrument students and/or those that want to conduct flights for instrument currency/proficiency in VFR conditions.. You don't have to be instrument rated. You're just there for "eyes out the window" while the pilot is under the hood/foggles. Both of you can log PIC time...for the safety pilot, your logged time is only while the pilot is "blind" though(as I understand it).
This is because there is very little general aviation outside of the America so they must hire "off of the street", funny enough they send the new recruits to the USA for training. Non-USA airlines basically have indentured servant programs, aka "ab initio" training, those contracts lock you in as an employee for several years in payment for the training; that contract has fine print and you best read it before signing. They also have a much worse safety records, some aren't even allowed to fly to US airports, they rely heavily on autopilot and those pilots lack the breadth of experience needed for emergency manual stick and rudder flying. US pilots are still heavily recruited by the top foreign airlines, Cathay, JAL, Emirates all offering sweet salary bait to [experienced] US pilots either direct or through wet lease contracts. (Again read the fine print, the pay is good but the structure is far different than in the USA. ie monthly salary and required minimum work hours(little pay for overtime), verses the US system of per pay flight hour [more work more pay]. )
This is because the US has a plethora of military trained pilots leaving the service every year. leapfrogging their way right into the airlines. This leave civilian trained pilots little option. Just another good reason to avoid being a commercial pilot in the US, imo.
I briefly looked into becoming a pilot (I LOVE flying). I understand having to pay your dues but to shell out $70k-$100k for flight school to then get paid $20k-$40k/year for, what, 5/7 years until you can build up enough flight time to be considered by a major??? Not to mention the lifestyle of being away from home for so long for that low of pay. I'm an over-the-truck driver with only 16 months experience and I make $50k-$55k (I have a bachelors degree in business but that has zero relevance). Also, the whole seniority thing...you stay at a particular airline and work your way up then either you lose your job or you chose to switch airlines and, boom, there goes your seniority! Better get used to eating pb&j again. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or have a twisted view of this career. I dunno...just doesn't seem worth the investment to me.
Rushin' Truckin' You make some great points. I’m a private pilot right now and I’m training at part 61 school working toward my commercial. Now the 20k-40k mark for a regional first officer might be true just a few years ago (I know of a former regional pilot who flew CRJs in the in the mid 2000s and he was making about that) but recently the pay has increased significantly. In 2020 most regional first officers can expect to earn around 50-60k their first year (depends a lot on the particular airline). There’s no hiding that flight school is expensive and you CAN spend 70-100k on schools like ATP, but they are really raping their students. You can save a ton of money going to a local flight school. In fact, Ive heard of guys getting their commercial done spending less than 30k (which is still a lot of money but sure beats ATP). You’re right on seniority. With airlines it’s everything. It runs your life from your schedule, to your base, to your pay. The most senior pilots obviously get the best schedules, bases, pay...The reason I responded is because I am very interested in OTR trucking. I was actually so close to enrolling in CDL training for the same reasons you already stated, but instead chose aviation as a career path. But I’m still interested in trucking and think I might just get a CDL just in case I ever lose my airline job since the aviation industry is very cyclical. I’m curious about your lifestyle and if you wouldn’t mind answering a few questions it would be much appreciated. How much time do you spend away from home in a given month? What is sleeping in a truck like? Does your company give you a per diem to cover food and other expenses while your on the job? How many hours a day do you typically spend driving? Do you have to physically unload the contents of the trailers or do you just drop them and pick them up? In general how do you like your job? Thanks
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@@johnmontello9464 Trucker here from New Jersey. I know I'm responding 2 years late. I can answer your questions. You can make tons of money here. Times change. Rates are higher and work is more. Reply back if your interested in working as a truck driver and still wanted to become a pilot. Its doable with the money you can make as a truck driver.
Get a private pilot license while doing 4 years in the military to get the post 9/11 G.I. bill and then go to a 4 year college that is also a flight school. The post 9/11 will pay for all of your classes and flight training beyond private pilot. Even more so if the school participates in the "yellow ribbon" program.
You can do it in 14 months if you get enough hours (i.e. pipeline or cfi at a busy school). But sadly the regulations have gotten to the point that the only way to get to a livable wage with aviation is the CFI ponzi scheme as most other paths (sitting right seat in a jet) doesnt count as time.
Great suggestions! There is a big variety of jobs out there, what’s important is going out to get them even if you have to move. You still have to hustle, make those phone calls, and get your foot in the door.
I never imagined I made more as a shop foreman of a metal fabrication shop than a pilot with the skill set which you described here. I was always thinking that pilots made 2 -3 times what I made per hour, not 50% less... I’m appalled at how low the wages are for pilots of this level. Pilots seem to be treated quite unfairly given their ability to keep human beings alive in the sky
These are entry level pilot jobs with below ATP ratings, and they pay what the market will bear. The cost of operating a business like this, beyond the pilots' salary, is 2-3x a metal fabrication shop, just to keep the planes in the air and to be compliant with FAA standards.
Ahah yup you're exactly right... it's shitty. Pilots are pilots for the job and not the pay. Everybody who hires pilots knows this and can pay them peanuts.
@@EatPezzzz SO? if you're already hemorrhaging money, may as well pay the people running your equipment with your customers onboard more. That or consider how useful those planes will be sitting on the ground doing nothing.
@@TheFlyingZulu And almost every pilot I've ever met has gotten so used to everyone around them knowing what they know they can't conceive of the fact that they have a skill worth being paid for. Machinists and Fabricators never have that confusion. They know what their skills are worth. And their employers know they need those skills to exist.
You forgot at least one flying job for 500-hour pilots - military pilot. With 500 hours of total flight time I had logged my first 300 hours in the F-15 Eagle. The pay is OK, the hours are long, the benefits good; plus, you get to go to exotic places, meet new people and break their stuff.
Where I work it's a three tiered structure. New instructors with little or no time start around $50-60k year, I think the next level is around 500 hours dual, and that is about $70-80k. The top tier I think you need 1000 hours dual and that is about $90k. I make $94K per year. Plus there are affordable benefits and 401k matching up to 5%.
Congratulations, you're in one of the 10 or so places in the country where the General Aviation industry has any hope of staying afloat. Get up there and start dodging clouds!
I became a CFIA at age 21 back in 1973. I soled at 16 and got my PPL at 17. My mom had to drive me to the airport in order to solo because I was too young to drive. But indeed things were different back in those days. For one, the FAA "inspector" as we called them failed me two times on my CFI flight tests. Don't get me wrong, I probably deserved it. But I heard it through the "grapevine" that the FAA inspector told somebody who finally passed me that he said "these young kids don't deserve to become flight instructors at such a young age". Today it's a little different. The age "stigmata" might be less apparent, but the failure rates for first time CFIs don't seem to be much different. It's as if it's a "right of passage" that CFIs must learn the humility of failure at least once before they can obtain the most coveted of all certificates. Don't be depressed if you fail your CFI flight test the first time. Treat it as "hell week" while trying to get into a college fraternity. I was able to get my CFI before the instrument rating because back in the early 1970s that's the way the regs were written. Today I agree a CFIA applicant should have an instrument rating even if he/she is teaching primary students. The CFI certificate is a badge of honor. The problem is some people see it only as a way to build hours and they don't seem to care about teaching new students how to fly. I've seen it myself during years gone by. If you wish to become a CFI and are getting paid for it, you owe it to your students (today they are called clients) to teach them as best you can and with all of your heart. Afterall, many people's lives depend on how well you teach your students. This advice is coming from an ageing "Boomer" who still continues to love flight instructing.
Some of his information is in accurate. You cannot fly in the right seat of a Hawker without a multi engine rating and you can log it as SIC. Flying 135 you have to be trained and certified they don’t just put anybody in the cockpit
Spencer Kaufman do you know anything about how the hours transfer to FAA regs? Cause that is an interesting route I never thought of, anyone else have suggestions for a pilot just starting and going to school for a four year degree? (Not an aviation degree)
@@mottoisnotyolo The rules have changed. You can log SIC in 135 ops in single pilot planes, as long as a co-pilot is written into their operations manual.
Justin Stanley Thank you for the response! I’m just trying to get as much information as possible while I’m in flight school about the field of aviation
What about the CFI-S rating? To get the rating you need 150 hours total and some odd amount of time as PIC of an LSA, but you can do with with just a sport, recreational, or private pilot license. No need for an instrument rating or even a commercial license EDIT: the major drawback is that you can only teach sport pilot applicants or give checkouts/flight reviews to sport pilots, a regular CFI but for sport pilots
You have to put in the time, build hours and experience. Enjoy the learning/teaching and experience. Too many people expecting to get their ratings and making 6 figures year one. If building hours is work/a chore, you shouldn’t be flying.
part 91 captain in anything from a baron to a king air part 91/135 co pilot in anything from a king air to a gulf stream you can expect 30 to 70k depending on the airplane and the fact that no two flight departments are the same and if you're lucky like me.... you wont have to shave ;) but seriously go out to that local corp flight department and ask the chief pilot if you can fly right seat. you might only make $150 bucks a day (plus expenses) but youll learn a shit ton
These pay ranges seem way off. CFI here in NC is $28-43K/year as 1099, and banner towing is super sketchy flying. A buddy did banners to build his time, was paid $15/h to fly a 172 and he hated it, basically flying at stall speed the whole time and getting dragged around with that huge tail sail....
I make more as an A&P. Now ill probably never make as much as a senior captian but i have 0 debt and make $31hr after 4 yrs. Some make $50 hr with over 15 years
@yolanda jerginson ok go work for free then. See how far that gets you. And fuck off for good measure, don't tell me what i get and don't get. You don't know me.
70,000 a year as a salary CFI?! HAHA holy cow that is so untrue I don’t know whether to laugh or be angry... no... that isn’t the average, hell thats hardly the best!! Paid by flight hours or not even if you flew 1100 flight hours in a year which I did between 2013-2014, I STILL worked a second job and got paid a grand total of... are you ready?? 34,000$ after taxes. now I’m not saying this isn’t worth it, I’m currently an airline captain and love it and can say the struggle to a livable wage and lifestyle of flying is worth it (be it 121,91,135, I’ve got friends everywhere and you’ll have friends who go everywhere too, it’s a beautiful thing)...but to sit here and lead people on that they are going to make TWICE what I did my first year as an emb175 FO in mid 2014 is not only untrue, it’s just unfair to the ignorant riding the aviation high! Shame!
@@realitybites2035 Yes, and guess what they DON'T consider an Assistant Chief or Chief Pilot. Where I was everyone at the airport was considered "Support Staff" not Professors. We were in the same category as lab services, janitorial, and the parking lot gestapo.
Probably like me they live somewhere where there isn't the absurd expendable income banging around in the economy for basically any of these industries to thrive.
Living in Florida, all these low time jobs are saturated. Now with 100LL at 10.00 a gallon, it is difficult to build time. sitting at 725 hours, CFI and trying to finish cfii, but fuel cost has made consistency impossible. So frustrating, every school wants CFI, MEI...and unless you are sponsored by a millionaire....it is becoming unreachable....hence the pilot shortage will only get worse if these fuel prices do not come down. Having a family....well just can not up and move....slowly...one flight at a time (only have 4 years before aging out of airlines....my goal)
I heard a few years ago the beach banner pilots in Northwest Florida where I lived were only making about $10-12 an hour, it was hot and miserable in those planes with long days and the planes were junk, I’m surprised none of em dropped out of the sky
The part about charter guys not being able to log SIC in single pilot planes isn't true. Read AC 135-43, As of late 2018, if it is a 135 op and the ops manual dictates a second pilot, the pilot can legally log it.
Pipeline Patrol is a tough gig and companies are getting strict. Barr Air requires 1500hrs to fly for them. Meanwhile USA Jet Airlines & Kalitta will take you at 500TT...Good luck all you out there looking!
and I just looked up their website and sure enough... they DEMAND 1500 total time to fly a c172, 182, 185, and T206s. What. A. Joke. There's no god damn way somebody with 1500 total time will be flying small planes like that.
@@TheFlyingZulu They are geared towards the older crowd who doesn't want to fly for the airlines. The reasoning behind it is pretty simple. The Chief Pilot can't fill in for everyone all the time. Having to fill in for vacations, medical leave, family happenings is tough enough. Add in pilots leaving every few months to go to the airlines once they hit their hours would make it unsustainable. The lines must by law be monitored weekly. So this adds a whole other level of pressure to get it done. If we can't fly it the ground crews must do it and the company that hired you is not happy if they have to divert their guys for non weather related matters. The idea is simply that they want long term pilots. You will be set up with your own aircraft at your base. They would let him use it in off times for personal enjoyment on occasions which was pretty cool of them. It's not for everybody. I would do it again as PIC. I run my own business and having a job I fly for two days a week and collect a paycheck I use to build up other projects I have would be cool right now. $60kish a year with benefits for flying 2 days a week in an air conditioned 182S...Really not a bad gig when you look at it that way.
Thank you Jon!! Letting people know about potential flying jobs just put you the top with me sir!! I am now stuck on your Vlog site for sure!! You are now, not just pointing out and showing us flying perspectives of yours!! Heck no,,, you are willing to give us possible job info!! Jon my man,, thank you from a bunch of us out here!! 👍👍
The jet jobs are true about the SIC time some jobs still want high multi time and CFI jobs don’t pay over 30k a year and I know this because I work in this business only some school pay very high please educate yourself before you sign anything
Veni Vidi Amavi Oh didn’t think I’d see you comment here. As I work in the airlines on three fronts I can tell you the shortage will last at least a decade.
Hey could be wrong, but the banner tow link didn’t work for me. Also, great video, thanks for the rundown. It’s nice to see things you can do part time with what you love. I for one am a pilot, but also have a job I love that’s not got anything to do with aviation, so it’s nice to learn more about things to do in aviation that doesn’t require a full job change. Maybe you could deep dive on some more of those things for videos! Thanks again!
Good advice! I'm too old now, but it's fun to see where things are these days. I laughed about your concern about not having to shave. You probably work harder trimming and shaping that nice beard than if you were clean shaven.
You said CFI's make how much? 50k-70k annually? Uh, where do they do that at? I feel like you've inaccurately framed the compensation trends. 15-20 k annually.
I recently flew with a friend's father who has a ppl and his on plane and hangar. After that flight I really liked it and I've been thinking for the past week about learning how to fly because I would love to. But the major thing with me is that I want to find something that I love to do, but also be able earn a living from it. I want to pursue flying, but I have a very vague idea of what I could do to earn money from it if I invested my time to gain the experience. I just don't want to have it as just a hobby and have to pour money into it constantly. Maybe an airline pilot, but I have no clue, and at first thought I don't know if I would enjoy flying a huge commercial plane like that. Seems like a whole new ball-park of responsibility compared to finding a stable career where I could fly something small/medium without so many passengers.
What do you think the possibility would be of combining these? So for example work as a CFI Monday - Saturday, and then on Sunday and less busy work days towing banners? Possible? Beneficial?
#6 Ferrying pilots. I was just talking to a guy that flew a plane to my airport a couple of weeks ago. This company is the biggest Cessna dealer located in Texas. Van Bortel (vanbortel.com) apparently they fly planes all over the place and even though they don’t advertise for pilots. They need pilots to Ferry planes to people for purchases. Along with picking up planes to bring them back to the company that they purchased. The company purchases and refurbishes them to flip. Might want to look into this company too. Yes you do work as a contractor. There are no benefits and they pay for all travel expenses. I forget what I was told for pay. But I think it was 200 bucks a day.
Yep I've been talking to some of those guys too, I work at an airport as a line tech and they have an office and hangar here, doesn't seem too bad of a gig at all compared to instructing
If you got your commercial rating as a pat of a degree program, look into military aviation as well. Ten year commitment, you'll be making $70K+ plus bennies for the majority of it, and you'll leave with THOUSANDS of hours(Unless you're in the Marines, then you get thrown into a Company Command billet and are stuck grounded for three of your ten years[Ask me how I know....actually don't I don't wanna talk about it])
Truer words have never been spoken Also you’ll be down for maintenance for another 2 years if your career because the usmc can’t afford the right equipment
@@dr.aviator I'm guessing FedEx feeders is the cargo equivalent of flying for the regionals, although not really, if FedEx mainline and majors want PIC time in jets. I'm not too sure about the PIC requirements for majors.
@@dr.aviator yeah, check out the C208 caption job listing on mountain air cargo website in the careers listing. They are a feeder and it appears that its 1200TT, not PIC my mistake.
@@airplanekid333 It's still a basically untenable requirement what with an hour in anything is pushing $200 with gas. 1200 hours is roughly $240,000.00. To get paid what $35k?
*thanks for this video, really helpful!! Trying to figure out if I should shoot for CFI as is typical, or go CPL and try to get onto a Part 135 through networking perhaps, I've started that a little*
Where are all these CFI gigs with this outstanding pay & benefits???? I certainly haven't come across any, not saying their not there but I think their definitely the exception to the rule.
Very recent change to FAA rules allow logging much more right seat time in 135 operations, even when two pilots are not strictly required. This is in response to both the general pilot supply and to Trump's executive order that all the Fed bureaucracies must reduce their general regulatory burden on the public.(the new IRS forms are also because of that order)
Now all they need to do is axe the medical requirement for non-PIC safety Pilots. "Oh no I'm having a diabetis-heartattack-stroke take your foggles off!" Tragedy averted.
Get there quick, Drones will be taking over that job real soon. Why ship pilots in and out to the plane when they can just fly from an office block with a Satellite uplink? When the drone needs to move you pack it up and ship it ground freight to the next place you need it to mow rows in the sky.
Great Vid !!could you do a video about the CPL license I cannot find any videos explaining or giving advise about CPL by itself without ATP ( ATPL ) also only found 1 question bank that’s only CPL so if you had any advise would be amazing!! thanks !!
Where I come from you can get into an Embraer 190 with 250hrs . And theres never been a crash caused by inexperienced pilots. I dont know what's up with usa and there strictness causing all that pilot shortage stuff
Conspiracy theorists state that there was (which there actually was) a female on that Colgan flight that was on her way to meet with Obama regarding her lawsuit against the U.S government for their involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
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I earn 100k flying 280 hours a year! I'm a aerial applicator (crop duster). First spraying season I had 220 hours total time. Only made 25k, that's in the 2 month season, and then second season got a bigger plane and did 80k, just did my 3rd season and cleared 100k. Flying stick and rudder all day and loving every minute of it!
Johnny Loewen So how did you buy a bigger plane on 25k?
@@mzaite Not purchased, I work for a company, started flying in a C188 and then got moved into a Airtractor 402 with some experience
Johnny Loewen Ahhh I gotcha. Fun job!
It also has the highest fatality rate of any flying job. And chemical exposure often so harmful it will impact your life expectancy.
Roundup for example already found to cause cancer. And you are breathing this stuff every day of your career. But good luck. You will need it.
@@danhammond9066 Sorry man your actually far off, times have changed with new aircraft. Aerial Application has the second lowest fatality rate in aviation next to airlines. That's the most recent numbers. There's a reason insurance on a 1,000,000 dollar airtractor is only .8% value a year. Also chemicals have come a long ways since the old days, they are not even remotely as harmful as they used to be, far less toxic as welding fumes in nearly all cases! I have a wife and 3 kids, I wouldn't be doing it if it was as dangerous as people think it still is!
I used to be in adult films. Like a jumper pilot, was paid by the load.
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70K as a CFI. Where is this mythical land?
Gienne Q Seattle
@@johnmangiameli Source?
@@FWDSlip I don't know if CFI's are really getting 70K a year but I was a student at Galvin Flight School in Seattle and it's expensive. Seattle is expensive, and even if you're making 70k you're paying out the ass to live in Seattle area.
If you’re saying 70k is the average for a cfi I don’t want what you’re smoking.
GA is dying. If you plan to make a career being a CFI, I suggest getting used to dog food!
The pay rate makes the shortage a lot more understandable.
if you have 500 hours you can move to russia and abandon america and your lifetime of student debt.
the entire pilot scheme is just a scam to put people in massive amounts of debt, with a job that they have already spent years to get, so instead of leaving and getting more debt and wasting their lives, they just stay as wage slaves, debt slaves. yay america
And the $200,000+ to be a commercial pilot breaks dreams for most people
There is no shortage at the good jobs.
The starting pay rate for many airlines is actually worse than some of the rates described in this video.
Starting pay $15/hr, same as Amazon warehouse work that may not even require a high school education. No wonder people don't wanna become pilots.
I got $6.00 per hour back in 1972 as a CFIA. But a C-150 including fuel only cost $16/hour. Inflation has definitely taken its toll. But it seems that $6 bucks per hour in 1972 is way better than $15/hour today. It seems way better. As a college student who worked as a CFIA back in 1972 only on weekends, I was one of the richest kids on campus. I would have $60-70 bucks in my wallet during the week. That's like having at least $300 or more in your wallet today. Can you imaging being a junior on a campus today have $300 bucks in your wallet at all times? Hey girls, wanna go out on a date?
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@@daffidavit WOW that's crazy. It was better back in 1972 because those 6 dollars back then, today equal to $37.75 an hour.. That's crazy money for a young person haha. Today we're living on less than people back then even if the # is higher.. That's how the scam works.. In your mind you're making "more" but it buys you less. Our quality of life is worse than it was. Inflation is a hidden tax/robbery..
and that $16 an hour to operate equates to $100.68 today.
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@@daffidavit thanks for sharing, shit is way harder these days, just look at how expensive university has become
You don't become a pilot for the pay... you're a pilot for the view and because you simply love flying.
Now the real question is... what are 5 pilot jobs with 250 hours?
I have 160 hours accident free and proud ...any vacancies here please ?
Nahiyan Haq 250 You may get lucky with a pipeline patrol job , or skydiving if insurance will even let you. 250 cfi is really it , you would be surprised 300-400 even will open the pipeline , skydive. Companies are hesitant with a brand new wet Commericial pilot at 250.
Caleb Niederhofer hey man any job that gets me flight time and let’s me some what live on, I am willing to do.
Part 141 you can get a commercial certificate at 190 hours I got mine at 200
Abraham Vidulich Yep , but I can’t imagine jobs other then CFI below 200hrs out there.
Good timing!!!
I just hit the 500 hour mark, this afternoon.
It's been a loooong 20 years (sad face).
Fermiticus Congrats!! Bright future ahead of ya :)
It's been 15 years and i'm stuck at 465 hours so I feel ya......
Husker Pilot no hires?
Husker....I was stuck there too.
Kind of a "dumb luck" thing though. A guy that had done his multi, at the same time I did (10yrs ago), had been flying missions for Wing of Mercy. He called me out of the blue, last Fall and asked if I could co-pilot for him (WoM requires 2 pilots). ABSOLUTELY!!!! I gained 30+ multi hrs in 2 months...and I didn't have to pay for it!
You should look into that (WoM) or "Angel Flight". A lot of those guys already have their SIC that they fly with regularly...but you never know. The guy I flew with, his regular SIC went off to the airlines...I filled the spot! I've only flown with one other guy, when his regular SIC was not available.
Also should have mentioned...putting yourself out there for "safety pilot" for instrument students and/or those that want to conduct flights for instrument currency/proficiency in VFR conditions..
You don't have to be instrument rated. You're just there for "eyes out the window" while the pilot is under the hood/foggles. Both of you can log PIC time...for the safety pilot, your logged time is only while the pilot is "blind" though(as I understand it).
Crazy how in Europe you can directly enter an airline with 200 hours having finished flight school, when comparing to the system in the US.
This is because there is very little general aviation outside of the America so they must hire "off of the street", funny enough they send the new recruits to the USA for training. Non-USA airlines basically have indentured servant programs, aka "ab initio" training, those contracts lock you in as an employee for several years in payment for the training; that contract has fine print and you best read it before signing. They also have a much worse safety records, some aren't even allowed to fly to US airports, they rely heavily on autopilot and those pilots lack the breadth of experience needed for emergency manual stick and rudder flying. US pilots are still heavily recruited by the top foreign airlines, Cathay, JAL, Emirates all offering sweet salary bait to [experienced] US pilots either direct or through wet lease contracts. (Again read the fine print, the pay is good but the structure is far different than in the USA. ie monthly salary and required minimum work hours(little pay for overtime), verses the US system of per pay flight hour [more work more pay]. )
That’s why aviation in Europe is a joke!
This is because the US has a plethora of military trained pilots leaving the service every year. leapfrogging their way right into the airlines. This leave civilian trained pilots little option. Just another good reason to avoid being a commercial pilot in the US, imo.
There’s a reason it’s been like 70+ years since an American airline company has had a plane crash
@@Professorpoptrt that’s false
I first read this as "5 pilot jobs for $500 / hour. I was like...yeah... 1)smuggling 2)smuggling 3)smuggling 4)smuggling 5)smuggling.
Dont forget smuggling
I briefly looked into becoming a pilot (I LOVE flying). I understand having to pay your dues but to shell out $70k-$100k for flight school to then get paid $20k-$40k/year for, what, 5/7 years until you can build up enough flight time to be considered by a major??? Not to mention the lifestyle of being away from home for so long for that low of pay. I'm an over-the-truck driver with only 16 months experience and I make $50k-$55k (I have a bachelors degree in business but that has zero relevance).
Also, the whole seniority thing...you stay at a particular airline and work your way up then either you lose your job or you chose to switch airlines and, boom, there goes your seniority! Better get used to eating pb&j again.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or have a twisted view of this career.
I dunno...just doesn't seem worth the investment to me.
Rushin' Truckin' You make some great points. I’m a private pilot right now and I’m training at part 61 school working toward my commercial. Now the 20k-40k mark for a regional first officer might be true just a few years ago (I know of a former regional pilot who flew CRJs in the in the mid 2000s and he was making about that) but recently the pay has increased significantly. In 2020 most regional first officers can expect to earn around 50-60k their first year (depends a lot on the particular airline). There’s no hiding that flight school is expensive and you CAN spend 70-100k on schools like ATP, but they are really raping their students. You can save a ton of money going to a local flight school. In fact, Ive heard of guys getting their commercial done spending less than 30k (which is still a lot of money but sure beats ATP). You’re right on seniority. With airlines it’s everything. It runs your life from your schedule, to your base, to your pay. The most senior pilots obviously get the best schedules, bases, pay...The reason I responded is because I am very interested in OTR trucking. I was actually so close to enrolling in CDL training for the same reasons you already stated, but instead chose aviation as a career path. But I’m still interested in trucking and think I might just get a CDL just in case I ever lose my airline job since the aviation industry is very cyclical. I’m curious about your lifestyle and if you wouldn’t mind answering a few questions it would be much appreciated. How much time do you spend away from home in a given month? What is sleeping in a truck like? Does your company give you a per diem to cover food and other expenses while your on the job? How many hours a day do you typically spend driving? Do you have to physically unload the contents of the trailers or do you just drop them and pick them up? In general how do you like your job? Thanks
Rushin' Truckin'
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@@johnmontello9464 Trucker here from New Jersey. I know I'm responding 2 years late. I can answer your questions. You can make tons of money here. Times change. Rates are higher and work is more. Reply back if your interested in working as a truck driver and still wanted to become a pilot. Its doable with the money you can make as a truck driver.
Get a private pilot license while doing 4 years in the military to get the post 9/11 G.I. bill and then go to a 4 year college that is also a flight school. The post 9/11 will pay for all of your classes and flight training beyond private pilot. Even more so if the school participates in the "yellow ribbon" program.
You can do it in 14 months if you get enough hours (i.e. pipeline or cfi at a busy school). But sadly the regulations have gotten to the point that the only way to get to a livable wage with aviation is the CFI ponzi scheme as most other paths (sitting right seat in a jet) doesnt count as time.
Great suggestions! There is a big variety of jobs out there, what’s important is going out to get them even if you have to move. You still have to hustle, make those phone calls, and get your foot in the door.
No way you'll make more then $30k a year for 90% of CFI jobs. $70K a year?? lol
I'm lucky, I make about $36k as a CFII
Absolutely, you’ve got to be out of your mind to think you’ll make half of 70k
@@marcusjohnson6412 Not necessarily. In my area one company is starting CFIs at $45K/yr.
I never imagined I made more as a shop foreman of a metal fabrication shop than a pilot with the skill set which you described here. I was always thinking that pilots made 2 -3 times what I made per hour, not 50% less...
I’m appalled at how low the wages are for pilots of this level. Pilots seem to be treated quite unfairly given their ability to keep human beings alive in the sky
These are entry level pilot jobs with below ATP ratings, and they pay what the market will bear. The cost of operating a business like this, beyond the pilots' salary, is 2-3x a metal fabrication shop, just to keep the planes in the air and to be compliant with FAA standards.
Ahah yup you're exactly right... it's shitty. Pilots are pilots for the job and not the pay. Everybody who hires pilots knows this and can pay them peanuts.
@@EatPezzzz SO? if you're already hemorrhaging money, may as well pay the people running your equipment with your customers onboard more.
That or consider how useful those planes will be sitting on the ground doing nothing.
@@TheFlyingZulu And almost every pilot I've ever met has gotten so used to everyone around them knowing what they know they can't conceive of the fact that they have a skill worth being paid for.
Machinists and Fabricators never have that confusion. They know what their skills are worth. And their employers know they need those skills to exist.
Let's see you start a business and pay your pilots double what your competitors are paying, i wonder how fast your business would go belly up.
I’m broke from ATP, looks like I’ll be staying broke
Reed Koch 41
Sorry to hear that.
Reed Koch 41 you finished ATP flight school and broke? Can't get on at a regional?
I hope you didn’t opt out on the CFI courses
@@1compaqedr8 you finish ATP with about 250 hrs total. Regionals require 1500hrs
@@wcc963 ATP guarantees you a CFI job up to 1500 hours.
You forgot at least one flying job for 500-hour pilots - military pilot. With 500 hours of total flight time I had logged my first 300 hours in the F-15 Eagle. The pay is OK, the hours are long, the benefits good; plus, you get to go to exotic places, meet new people and break their stuff.
Which flight school pays 70$k a year? At the flight school I work with in Maryland I get around 26$k and no benefits...
Where I work it's a three tiered structure. New instructors with little or no time start around $50-60k year, I think the next level is around 500 hours dual, and that is about $70-80k. The top tier I think you need 1000 hours dual and that is about $90k. I make $94K per year. Plus there are affordable benefits and 401k matching up to 5%.
Link is in the description!
I worked at a State University and made a grand $12/hr billed that they still had the gall to take State retirement funds out of.
@@Noname-iy7gj And that place would be?
@@Noname-iy7gj LOL
Interested in pursing a pilots license here in Florida. It's becoming clearer each day that it's a dream I must follow.
Go for it!
Congratulations, you're in one of the 10 or so places in the country where the General Aviation industry has any hope of staying afloat. Get up there and start dodging clouds!
@@mzaite Thanks! Can't wait!
Go for it, I'm doing my flight training in Pompano and it's such an awesome area to fly in, both geographically speaking and airspace exposure wise.
Good advice, John! You forgot flying rubber donkey sh&t out of Hong Kong! Lt. Pete Mitchell almost had to do it. 😂
Nahh, they put that on a container ship now. After the Hong Kong Rubber Dog turd market bubble of '86.
BRO... You filmed my flight school (SFS). That's awesome!
I became a CFIA at age 21 back in 1973. I soled at 16 and got my PPL at 17. My mom had to drive me to the airport in order to solo because I was too young to drive. But indeed things were different back in those days. For one, the FAA "inspector" as we called them failed me two times on my CFI flight tests. Don't get me wrong, I probably deserved it. But I heard it through the "grapevine" that the FAA inspector told somebody who finally passed me that he said "these young kids don't deserve to become flight instructors at such a young age".
Today it's a little different. The age "stigmata" might be less apparent, but the failure rates for first time CFIs don't seem to be much different. It's as if it's a "right of passage" that CFIs must learn the humility of failure at least once before they can obtain the most coveted of all certificates. Don't be depressed if you fail your CFI flight test the first time. Treat it as "hell week" while trying to get into a college fraternity.
I was able to get my CFI before the instrument rating because back in the early 1970s that's the way the regs were written. Today I agree a CFIA applicant should have an instrument rating even if he/she is teaching primary students. The CFI certificate is a badge of honor. The problem is some people see it only as a way to build hours and they don't seem to care about teaching new students how to fly. I've seen it myself during years gone by. If you wish to become a CFI and are getting paid for it, you owe it to your students (today they are called clients) to teach them as best you can and with all of your heart. Afterall, many people's lives depend on how well you teach your students. This advice is coming from an ageing "Boomer" who still continues to love flight instructing.
Your videos are all so awesome. They're inspiring me to take my flying even further. THANK YOU.
1) ballast. 2) glorified ramper 3) ‘Co-pilot’ on a 208 4) flight instructor 5) Amariflight
I got hired as a survey pilot at 350TT. Starts at 32K to 35K a year plus benefits. Average flight time 80 hours/month.
Captain Jose Omar hey captain! What was the name of the company you got hired by? I would like to become a survey pilot too!
name of company
Some of his information is in accurate. You cannot fly in the right seat of a Hawker without a multi engine rating and you can log it as SIC. Flying 135 you have to be trained and certified they don’t just put anybody in the cockpit
the 1500 hr rule fucked everything up
In Canada you can log copilot time in single crew planes such as caravans, pilatus, twins, king airs, etc., move north murican friends.
Spencer Kaufman do you know anything about how the hours transfer to FAA regs? Cause that is an interesting route I never thought of, anyone else have suggestions for a pilot just starting and going to school for a four year degree? (Not an aviation degree)
There's Pilatus aircraft enough in Canada to find an opportunity with business if you really want to fly that. Thank you
@@mottoisnotyolo The rules have changed. You can log SIC in 135 ops in single pilot planes, as long as a co-pilot is written into their operations manual.
Justin Stanley Thank you for the response! I’m just trying to get as much information as possible while I’m in flight school about the field of aviation
@@mottoisnotyolo Here is something more official.
www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_135-43.pdf
What about the CFI-S rating? To get the rating you need 150 hours total and some odd amount of time as PIC of an LSA, but you can do with with just a sport, recreational, or private pilot license. No need for an instrument rating or even a commercial license
EDIT: the major drawback is that you can only teach sport pilot applicants or give checkouts/flight reviews to sport pilots, a regular CFI but for sport pilots
You have to put in the time, build hours and experience. Enjoy the learning/teaching and experience. Too many people expecting to get their ratings and making 6 figures year one. If building hours is work/a chore, you shouldn’t be flying.
part 91 captain in anything from a baron to a king air part 91/135 co pilot in anything from a king air to a gulf stream you can expect 30 to 70k depending on the airplane and the fact that no two flight departments are the same and if you're lucky like me.... you wont have to shave ;) but seriously go out to that local corp flight department and ask the chief pilot if you can fly right seat. you might only make $150 bucks a day (plus expenses) but youll learn a shit ton
These pay ranges seem way off. CFI here in NC is $28-43K/year as 1099, and banner towing is super sketchy flying. A buddy did banners to build his time, was paid $15/h to fly a 172 and he hated it, basically flying at stall speed the whole time and getting dragged around with that huge tail sail....
Crop dusting is another one. That's where I built up flight time.
How do you go about doing I like that idea
This video aged nicely
Great video!Lots of super useful info in little time.
Not a pilot but subscribed
Happy to have ya along for the ride!
1:55 unusual attitude recovery?
Great commentary and presentation! Semper Fi
Much appreciated
Who’s watching during quarantine?😢😢🤦🏼♂️
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I make more as an A&P. Now ill probably never make as much as a senior captian but i have 0 debt and make $31hr after 4 yrs. Some make $50 hr with over 15 years
@yolanda jerginson ya i get it, but no one does their job just because we like it. We do it to make a living
@yolanda jerginson ok go work for free then. See how far that gets you. And fuck off for good measure, don't tell me what i get and don't get. You don't know me.
If you’re saying 70k is the average for a cfi I don’t want what you’re smoking
had no idea the pay was so low... amazing the skill required for this and then the pay is low!
My instructor made just over 20k last year. Get my MEI in a week, pumped to make 3x less than what i made selling phones
yea it sucks man
CFI should be first choice since thats what airlines highly prefer
Thanks for that video. Good job.
I appreciate it!
70k for CFI lol...you lost your mind
This guy reminds me of every military recruiting officer I ever talked to!
Jay jayjay OKAY SAY THE FUCKING REAL AVERAGE PAY NIGGA
70,000 a year as a salary CFI?! HAHA holy cow that is so untrue I don’t know whether to laugh or be angry... no... that isn’t the average, hell thats hardly the best!! Paid by flight hours or not even if you flew 1100 flight hours in a year which I did between 2013-2014, I STILL worked a second job and got paid a grand total of... are you ready?? 34,000$ after taxes. now I’m not saying this isn’t worth it, I’m currently an airline captain and love it and can say the struggle to a livable wage and lifestyle of flying is worth it (be it 121,91,135, I’ve got friends everywhere and you’ll have friends who go everywhere too, it’s a beautiful thing)...but to sit here and lead people on that they are going to make TWICE what I did my first year as an emb175 FO in mid 2014 is not only untrue, it’s just unfair to the ignorant riding the aviation high! Shame!
VeteranPilot I don’t think even my Assistant Chief pilots made $70k at my University. And they needed to have a Masters!
@@mzaite i saw a web site at a state aviation school and they listed professor salary at 67k a year
@@realitybites2035 Yes, and guess what they DON'T consider an Assistant Chief or Chief Pilot. Where I was everyone at the airport was considered "Support Staff" not Professors. We were in the same category as lab services, janitorial, and the parking lot gestapo.
Thank you! Very informative!
When you add up the amount it cost to become a pilot it's best to look for another career.
yeah, getting the 500hr is the problem for most pilots.
I bought a RANS S-12 for $14k. That is some cheap hour building, let me tell you!
Skorpius damn
What about Sasquatch Patrol
Good video. Very informative. Excellent video, thanks for posting.
The real question is how do you get those 500 hours?
No Body M O N E Y
What did these people dislike this for
Probably like me they live somewhere where there isn't the absurd expendable income banging around in the economy for basically any of these industries to thrive.
Some sad miserable people out there .
Haters going to hate. Working on my commercial so was informative for me.
@@salty2561 good luck
@@mzaite I mean for some people it is expendable but just like for anything else you go to work for it.
Living in Florida, all these low time jobs are saturated. Now with 100LL at 10.00 a gallon, it is difficult to build time. sitting at 725 hours, CFI and trying to finish cfii, but fuel cost has made consistency impossible. So frustrating, every school wants CFI, MEI...and unless you are sponsored by a millionaire....it is becoming unreachable....hence the pilot shortage will only get worse if these fuel prices do not come down. Having a family....well just can not up and move....slowly...one flight at a time (only have 4 years before aging out of airlines....my goal)
10 hrs of solo time here !!!! oh i qualify for Air Somalia
Try Ryan Air
Respect for Somalia Pilot's xDddd
I heard a few years ago the beach banner pilots in Northwest Florida where I lived were only making about $10-12 an hour, it was hot and miserable in those planes with long days and the planes were junk, I’m surprised none of em dropped out of the sky
Midwest4x4f150 The drag from the banner keeps em up!
I heard crop dusting was just as bad
Midwest4x4f150 I’ve heard mixed things about Areal Application, but the risk is HIGH.
Oh god that's where I live... hopefully the pay is better now because i'm getting my commercial soon and was looking into local flying jobs.
Just randomly came across this video and I’ve flown one of the cirruses in it. Sick! Good ole 855ef
The part about charter guys not being able to log SIC in single pilot planes isn't true. Read AC 135-43, As of late 2018, if it is a 135 op and the ops manual dictates a second pilot, the pilot can legally log it.
No wonder there's a pilot shortage. No one wants to spend thousands learning to fly then to earn $15 an hour
Pipeline Patrol is a tough gig and companies are getting strict. Barr Air requires 1500hrs to fly for them. Meanwhile USA Jet Airlines & Kalitta will take you at 500TT...Good luck all you out there looking!
And in 5 -10 years, it will be mostly done by drones. The big ones not the toy quad rotors.
Buwhahaha that's hilarious... 1500 hours requirement to fly up and down a pipeline? Really?
and I just looked up their website and sure enough... they DEMAND 1500 total time to fly a c172, 182, 185, and T206s. What. A. Joke. There's no god damn way somebody with 1500 total time will be flying small planes like that.
@@TheFlyingZulu They are geared towards the older crowd who doesn't want to fly for the airlines. The reasoning behind it is pretty simple. The Chief Pilot can't fill in for everyone all the time. Having to fill in for vacations, medical leave, family happenings is tough enough. Add in pilots leaving every few months to go to the airlines once they hit their hours would make it unsustainable.
The lines must by law be monitored weekly. So this adds a whole other level of pressure to get it done. If we can't fly it the ground crews must do it and the company that hired you is not happy if they have to divert their guys for non weather related matters.
The idea is simply that they want long term pilots. You will be set up with your own aircraft at your base. They would let him use it in off times for personal enjoyment on occasions which was pretty cool of them.
It's not for everybody. I would do it again as PIC. I run my own business and having a job I fly for two days a week and collect a paycheck I use to build up other projects I have would be cool right now. $60kish a year with benefits for flying 2 days a week in an air conditioned 182S...Really not a bad gig when you look at it that way.
Thank you Jon!!
Letting people know about potential flying jobs just put you the top with me sir!!
I am now stuck on your Vlog site for sure!!
You are now, not just pointing out and showing us flying perspectives of yours!!
Heck no,,, you are willing to give us possible job info!!
Jon my man,, thank you from a bunch of us out here!! 👍👍
The jet jobs are true about the SIC time some jobs still want high multi time and CFI jobs don’t pay over 30k a year and I know this because I work in this business only some school pay very high please educate yourself before you sign anything
Ho really? Man I'm getting disappointed
Can I call the “ Joe Satriani “ of the flight instructors? Great videos and awesome presentation!
For a second I thought he was the famous prankster Cassidy Campbell doing a bit.
*I think the CFI was a littleee too high on the salary quote* 😂 great video, thank you! How long do you think the pilot shortage is about to last?
Veni Vidi Amavi Oh didn’t think I’d see you comment here. As I work in the airlines on three fronts I can tell you the shortage will last at least a decade.
@@CocoEspada lol.... that comment didn't age well.
@@gama1123 lol
Great video.☺️
Hey could be wrong, but the banner tow link didn’t work for me.
Also, great video, thanks for the rundown. It’s nice to see things you can do part time with what you love. I for one am a pilot, but also have a job I love that’s not got anything to do with aviation, so it’s nice to learn more about things to do in aviation that doesn’t require a full job change. Maybe you could deep dive on some more of those things for videos! Thanks again!
Same banner link didn't work
Good advice!
I'm too old now, but it's fun to see where things are these days.
I laughed about your concern about not having to shave.
You probably work harder trimming and shaping that nice beard than if you were clean shaven.
It's more a Psychological thing. Like getting to wear comfortable clothes and never having to touch a Tie.
Very informative, thx!
Best part I don't have to shave 😎
people need to make these videos for us aussies. great video thanks
Nice information...Going on with your channel brother! Hugs
You said CFI's make how much? 50k-70k annually? Uh, where do they do that at? I feel like you've inaccurately framed the compensation trends. 15-20 k annually.
Lets say you buy a Kitfox for cheap and log a bunch of hours (for cheap), would those count?
Yes. PIC time is the same whether it is in a Cessna or a Kitfox.
That is a kick ass intro
Thought so too... I appreciate it!
Piper warrior. Amen.
I recently flew with a friend's father who has a ppl and his on plane and hangar. After that flight I really liked it and I've been thinking for the past week about learning how to fly because I would love to. But the major thing with me is that I want to find something that I love to do, but also be able earn a living from it. I want to pursue flying, but I have a very vague idea of what I could do to earn money from it if I invested my time to gain the experience. I just don't want to have it as just a hobby and have to pour money into it constantly. Maybe an airline pilot, but I have no clue, and at first thought I don't know if I would enjoy flying a huge commercial plane like that. Seems like a whole new ball-park of responsibility compared to finding a stable career where I could fly something small/medium without so many passengers.
There are plenty of great routes to take, so best of luck to you no matter which way you decide!
That’s my home airport Harvey Airfield in WA
Nice vid! And where is that skydiving facility you showed in the vid? That facility is beautiful
What do you think the possibility would be of combining these? So for example work as a CFI Monday - Saturday, and then on Sunday and less busy work days towing banners? Possible? Beneficial?
#6 Ferrying pilots.
I was just talking to a guy that flew a plane to my airport a couple of weeks ago. This company is the biggest Cessna dealer located in Texas. Van Bortel (vanbortel.com) apparently they fly planes all over the place and even though they don’t advertise for pilots. They need pilots to Ferry planes to people for purchases. Along with picking up planes to bring them back to the company that they purchased.
The company purchases and refurbishes them to flip. Might want to look into this company too.
Yes you do work as a contractor. There are no benefits and they pay for all travel expenses. I forget what I was told for pay. But I think it was 200 bucks a day.
"..they don’t advertise for pilots. They need pilots.." There's the state of the GA industry right there in a nutshell.
Yep I've been talking to some of those guys too, I work at an airport as a line tech and they have an office and hangar here, doesn't seem too bad of a gig at all compared to instructing
It took me 1000 hours to become the lowest level crappy appraiser, but you can be a flight instructor with 500? Wow. I chose the wrong path.
I am looking at microlight instructing as a semi-retirement job. You can take an instructor course with 100 hours P1.
$200/day is what I pay a handyman
If you got your commercial rating as a pat of a degree program, look into military aviation as well. Ten year commitment, you'll be making $70K+ plus bennies for the majority of it, and you'll leave with THOUSANDS of hours(Unless you're in the Marines, then you get thrown into a Company Command billet and are stuck grounded for three of your ten years[Ask me how I know....actually don't I don't wanna talk about it])
What do you think your total hours after 10 years (minus b billets) b
Truer words have never been spoken
Also you’ll be down for maintenance for another 2 years if your career because the usmc can’t afford the right equipment
@@tylermiller5189 more than 5000
might as well just get your CDL
Be careful with the flight instructing thing, there are some big name schools out there that have very poor pay and zero benefits (1099 employee).
That's every CFI job
What about cargo jobs in Caravans? Like Fed Ex feeders?
1200 hours PIC to do single pilot IFR part 135
IDI Ford Diesels they really require 1200 PIC for contracted fedex gigs?
@@dr.aviator I'm guessing FedEx feeders is the cargo equivalent of flying for the regionals, although not really, if FedEx mainline and majors want PIC time in jets. I'm not too sure about the PIC requirements for majors.
@@dr.aviator yeah, check out the C208 caption job listing on mountain air cargo website in the careers listing. They are a feeder and it appears that its 1200TT, not PIC my mistake.
@@airplanekid333 It's still a basically untenable requirement what with an hour in anything is pushing $200 with gas. 1200 hours is roughly $240,000.00. To get paid what $35k?
*thanks for this video, really helpful!! Trying to figure out if I should shoot for CFI as is typical, or go CPL and try to get onto a Part 135 through networking perhaps, I've started that a little*
Both are solid options, best of luck to you either way!!
Wow safely and pilots played not never enough time for them to give some more cash
Where are all these CFI gigs with this outstanding pay & benefits???? I certainly haven't come across any, not saying their not there but I think their definitely the exception to the rule.
Key for a job is having your Commercial license in addition to PPL.
Wow, thanks Captain...
Water is wet
Very recent change to FAA rules allow logging much more right seat time in 135 operations, even when two pilots are not strictly required. This is in response to both the general pilot supply and to Trump's executive order that all the Fed bureaucracies must reduce their general regulatory burden on the public.(the new IRS forms are also because of that order)
Now all they need to do is axe the medical requirement for non-PIC safety Pilots.
"Oh no I'm having a diabetis-heartattack-stroke take your foggles off!" Tragedy averted.
Flight Instructor is probably your best bet. For benefits money and flight hours.
Are there any pilot jobs for 180 hours 😭🥴
Aged like fine wine
Thanks man!
Sure thing!
Aperture Aviation, approximately 50k per year, 8 on 6 off, full benefits part 91 Aerial Imagery. Home base travel, hotel, rental car and per diem.
Get there quick, Drones will be taking over that job real soon. Why ship pilots in and out to the plane when they can just fly from an office block with a Satellite uplink? When the drone needs to move you pack it up and ship it ground freight to the next place you need it to mow rows in the sky.
Great Vid !!could you do a video about the CPL license I cannot find any videos explaining or giving advise about CPL by itself without ATP ( ATPL ) also only found 1 question bank that’s only CPL so if you had any advise would be amazing!! thanks !!
Delusion abounds... CFI makes 72 k a year???
Why then would anyone want to fly gor any airline???
Anything to pay off my 1000 a month loan while I work to get my R-ATP 1000 hours lol
Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow??
Where I come from you can get into an Embraer 190 with 250hrs . And theres never been a crash caused by inexperienced pilots. I dont know what's up with usa and there strictness causing all that pilot shortage stuff
Conspiracy theorists state that there was (which there actually was) a female on that Colgan flight that was on her way to meet with Obama regarding her lawsuit against the U.S government for their involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
@@maximilliangenius5572 not sure about that. But sounds interesting 😅
Are you basing the CFI pay on Lufthansa or its the average among flight schools?
nah. Not enough for LH 😄