@@TheNightowlGaming sima yi never betrays cao cao, he betrays his descendant, which sima yi deem unfit to rule. Sure they are the final winner but it's already at a state of all three kingdom kinda deteriorate, with most of the major hero died already. Guan Yu's death was followed by a bunch of great hero's death as well. Cao Cao died short after, it the ROTK, it says guan yu's death affect Cao Cao a lot, in the actual history IDK. Zhang Fei died because he was betrayed after he went on a drunk violence due to his sadness Lu Meng died shortly after Liu Bei used most of his forces to attack Wu, but failed at Yi Ling, with Huang Zhong dead and him soon after Pang De died during the battle and this is just famous general that was kinda affected by Guan Yu. A lot of great name general slowly died within 10 years, sure it wasn't caused of Guan Yu, but I said Guan Yu's death is the start of the falls of great heroes that emerges in three kingdom
In my opinion, the betrayal at Fan Castle was a master plan of Cao Cao. He knew that he couldn't handle both Shu and Wu at once, so he use Jing as bait to cause their alliance to breakdown. As Shu and Wu exhaust resources to occupy Jing, Wei can simply watch, catch their breath, and crush either kingdoms once they're weaken. This is also one of the reason Cao Cao manipulated Wu into killing Guan Yu. The reformed alliance would be shallow at best afterwards.
Interesting idea it's possible. Xu Chang the capital where the emperor was right beyond Jing province. Shu had gained a lot of momentum in the Han Zhong campaign and needed to blunt the momentum. Wu having been beaten again at He Fei were likely already angry. So more of a reason.
I think the funny bit is that though the dipiction in the games of all the betrayles Shu suffered were gut renching, anyone who is familier with the actual history and novel would that Shu had it coming. With Zhuge Liang practially trolling Zhou Yu to death taking JIng Province, Zhang Fei abusing his men, and the fact that Guan Yu straight up called Sun Quan a Bitch after tha latter requested Guan's daughter to marry one of his sons. ( Guan Yu's exact words were something along the lines of "How could a tiger's daughter marry the son of a dog?" so we all know what he ment by saying that.) Also I think a betrayal thats worth mentioning would be the one that led to Lu Bu's defeat by his own men because not only is it the best form of Karma for one who is known for betraying, but is poetic how one of China's mightiest warriors was brought down by a "back-stab."
Oh yeah i forgot they mutinied and betrayed him and thats what led to capture, the games always show him being surrounded, so thats why I didnt think of it, good point!
When Cao Cao betrays someone, it's seen as a bold move, almost admirable. But when others do it, they're often criticized as weak or disloyal. In historical accounts, Liu Biao's lack of trust in Liu Bei led to him being sent to the frontline to defend against Cao Cao. After Liu Biao's death, the province naturally passed to his favored son, Liu Cong, who promptly surrendered to Cao Cao. However, in the novel "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" (ROTK), the situation in Jin province is more complex. Originally belonging to Liu Biao, who favored Liu Bei and despised Cao Cao for his manipulation of the emperor, control of the province ultimately fell to Liu Cong due to the influence of Liu Biao's wife and top general, Cai Mao. Despite this, Liu Biao had expressed a desire for Jin province to never fall into Cao Cao's hands and for Liu Bei to protect it. The Wu kingdom's actions can be understood as strategic. They allied with a weaker lord to oppose Cao Cao, even though Cao Cao's forces were a threat to them as well. In a world where power is paramount, it was a pragmatic move for Wu. However, when Liu Bei gained strength by conquering Yi Province, the power dynamics shifted, disrupting the delicate balance among the factions. It's so much of the idea Jin Province belong to Wu because they deserve it more due to the loss in the alliance, rather than it was theirs in the first place. In actual history, Zhou Yu conquered Nanjun fair and square and he tried to use it as a starting city to attack Wei and soon fell ill and die. Lu Su didn't think they have the capability of invade Cao Cao (because they used a lot of resource and Cao Ren being a beast block it all), ceded Nanjun to Liu Bei. Ofc there is the annoyance the fact to Wu, while they are fighting super harsh battle against Cao Cao. Liu Bei's forces are just conquering the southern Jin region (Which also belong to Cao Cao), expanding their forces. Lu Su's foresight led him to prioritize the bigger picture over petty conflicts; hence, he decided to grant Nanjun to Liu Bei. This strategic move ensured that Liu Bei would be the one directly confronting Cao Cao instead of Wu. Essentially, the division resulted in Liu Bei controlling Nanjun and the western part of northern Jin, with Wu governing the eastern part. Meanwhile, Cao Cao retained control over the northern section of Jin. While Liu Bei may have viewed this as an exchange, Sun Quan perceived it as a temporary loan. I also want to point out, what Liu Bei did is actually similar to what Sun Ce did. The whole Sun family basically went to Yuan Shu to seek for shelter and help after Sun Jian died to Liu Biao. At that point, the sun family belongs to Yuan Shu forces. Sun Ce then used the Imperial jade seal to exchange for soldiers to "conquer the Wu region" for Yuan Shu, but he actually did it for himself. When Yuan Shu made a dumbass decision to claim himself the new emperor, Sun Ce just focuses on complete control of Wu instead of helping Yuan Shu out when he's getting attack by Cao Cao and Liu Bei. You can argue what Sun Ce is smart and he shouldn't allied with some dumbass traitor against the imperial Han empire, but then that also mean Liu Bei isn't stupid for conquering Southern Jin while Wu is fighting against Cao Cao. Wu can simply choose not to join the war but they felt like they deserve a piece of the cake that is Jin Province. Just FYI, the northern Jin (contested area) is far more valuable than southern Jin. It basically compare a major city vs some big towns.
Not only that but time and time again they agreed on Jing just being a borrowed region for Liu Bei until he consolidated his forces on the Riverlands. Once he gained that region + HanZhong he was due to return Jing but that never happened giving Wu even more reasons to betray them. Lu Meng was really pissed about it and hated Guan Yu to the core, first he saw Zhou Yu dying to the "trolling" done by Zhou Yu and Guan Yu disrespecting his friend and mentor, Lu Su (who was also a very kind man, they really called him a gentleman) on his weakest. Wu fought and fought and they didn't anything to show for it. On their perspective , they were owe something and Shu just spit on them on return.
Cao cao used deception to make people think han sui betrayed them forcing han sui to actually switch sides. This is one of the versions of his betrayal. There’s a whole level about it in some of the games. Very cool
The biggest betrayal in Dynasty warriors for me is when i'm getting my shit kicked on Chaos and barely managed to drive enemy away from base with 10 hp left only for my mom who's still full HP to snatch the food away and didn't even realized it
I also feel like Wan castle was a good honorable mention, it lead to the death of not only Dian Wei but also one of Cao Cao's sons. Not to mention Jia Xu joins Cao cao after the fact.
True! But in the games it was definitely cool to see because the way sima yi is portrayed in earlier games, he had that evilness about him and DW6 they finally explored, def fun to watch
If memory serves me right, Xu You was the other one who defected to Cao Cao at Guandu. I don't know about Guo To but I'm certain that Xu You revealed the location of the supplies at Wuchao. At least that's how it went in the RotTK. Love the video as always and was wondering if you'd recommend DW9E as I've been eyeing it for a while and can't decide. The last DW I played was DW8E but I've been with the series since DW2 and was sadly put off DW9 due to reviews, so would love to hear your opinion.
yeah it's Xu You, both Xu You and Guo Tu is Yuan Shao advisor, and correct he revealed the location the supplies to Cao Cao well he kinda force to make that decision because his family member got arrested by Yuan Shao subordinates, Zhang He and Gao Lan also defected to Cao Cao because they got slandered by Guo Tu who became fearful because his advice gone wrong (advising to attack Cao Cao main camp meanwhile Wuchao got raid by Cao Cao army, which make Yuan Shao split his army to attack/defense both), Well it's too many internal struggle in Yuan Shao camp compared to Cao Cao camp which relatively united, Also from what i remember before served Cao Cao, Xun Yu also served Yuan Shao (one of his brother still served Yuan Shao). cmiiw
Yeah it was Xu You im pretty sure, and for DW9E it's not bad, it's fun but it's not as good as the older games, not as immersive in my opinion but gameplay wise it's good
@@AdityaPutra-ul5xxThat was it! Thank you😊 for some reason I was mixing up Guo Tu with Tian Feng (ironically didn't betray Yuan Shao but was executed by him for alleged treachery). Got to admit Guandu was a fascinating turning point for the late Han dynasty as it was there that Yuan Shao nearly executed Liu Bei for the actions of Guan Yu and where Cao Cao nearly lost his entire army due to lack of supplies and being outnumbered. Xu You pretty much set the course of history there by intervening on Liu Bei's behalf and defecting to Cao Cao. It's why I love all things Three Kingdoms, makes A song of ice and fire look like a Dr Seuss book by comparison 😂
@@TheNightowlGamingTbf I think being fun is pretty much DW bread and butter 😂 I think I will invest in it though as I love the warriors games... Although there is WO4 or SW5 hmm 🤔 I think I'll stick with DW9E for now 😂 probably spend my first 100 hour in the character creator like I did with 8E where o decided it would be a good idea to create the entire cast of The Heroic Legend of Arslan. Which was a great idea until in a recent campaign I met Daryun on the battlefield and he damn near kicked my head in 🤣
When i saw Lu Bu at #2, i thought you are gonna do it again - "And #1 is YOU~!" 😅😅😅 OK, surprised by Zhao Yun here. Like others had explained, nope, not a betrayal at all. Zhang Fei's one was though, and a really sad one. Otherwise, I ... somehow cannot class many of them as actual betrayals (people switch sides in real life, just like pro wrestling. 😅) Like, Jiang Wei submitted only after defeat, i think? Xu You did betray the location of Wu Chao ... but Zhang He was forced to switch sides, fearing for his life. Like Xiahou Ba ... If anything, Liu Bei has to take number 1. While I can't fault him for leaving Yuan Shao (and Liu Bei was with arch-rival Gongsun Zan earlier), he also betrayed Cao Cao after Cow Cow took him under his wing. Cannot fault him for reminding Cao Cao to behead Lu Bu too ... Later, "I cannot attack my kinsman", then proceeded to attack Liu Biao's son and Liu Zhang. Someone wrote in the comments too - persuaded Sun Quan not to attack Liu Zhang earlier (I cannot remember this, but 100% possible) Refused to return Jing as promised later. "How can I be the Emperor of Han?!" and then became the emperor of (Shu-)Han. Ultimate "betrayal" is towards his own kingdom of Shu. When Liu Bei understandably wanna get revenge for Guan Yu's death, even the extremely loyal Zhao Yun remarked (in actual historical records) - "Revenge for Guan Yu is a personal matter" and attacking Wu just like that was plain wrong (and would result in ultimate defeat to Wei) ... my point is, no matter how I try to present factually that Liu Bei betrayed many people, it doesn't matter and they all still love him, ha. Liu Bei has to be number 1. 😅
Hey Nightowl. While not the point of this video, I wanted to add in that thing about Jiang Wei at 6:28 that late Shu had a few people who are badly underrated in fiction. In particular, Ma Zhong, not the one who served Wu, and Zhang Ni, not to be confused with Zhang Yi(also a fairly skilled general of Shu) were two of the best of the kingdom. Unlike fiction suggests, Zhuge Liang’s campaign in 225 did not end the uprisings in the south, and there would be several more over the next 30 years. Ma Zhong and Zhang Ni were the two main man from the 230's into the 250's in charge of putting down rebels, doing very well at this repeatedly. Because they didn't have major roles in campaigns fiction likes to focus on, although Ma Zhong did actually go with Zhuge Liang on the 231 campaign as a advisor and a elder Zhang Ni fought in the 254 campaign under Jiang Wei, where he was killed, they are mostly ignored in fiction. Historically, both were highly skilled generals and administrators, while Zhang Ni was also noted as a skilled warrior.
I guess Mi Fang and Fu Shi Ren betrayal were like conjoined with Wu betraying Guan Yu at Fan Castle. Because that's right there are like my top 10 anime betrayal and the reason why i want them to be playable characters (sad they aren't that important in the novel) And also I can't put Zhuge Dan betrayal anywhere top 10 because i feel like his betrayal is just plain stupid... Understandable but stupid
Lol very understandable and stupid, but I couldnt think of anything else, I guess liu bei betraying liu zhang but the games display it so nobly that I didnt even think about it
@@TheNightowlGaming oh i got something fun... Liu Shan betrayed Liu Bei's dreams and legacy by surrendering to Wei. From what I've seen, people were pissed.
Nah the betrayal at Fan castle is so uncalled for 😭. I remember as a kid not knowing any outcome in DW5 and seeing all the commanders either flee or die back to back and then the Lu Meng dialogue kicking off as Im struggling every objective playing Guan Ping and then seeing Guan Yu die. I was heartbroken man, Wu is my second fave and they did the dirtiest trick in the book by basically just handing all future wins to the forces of wei and all that followed. Foul play and bad leadership of Sun Quans part. Sun Ce and Sun Jian would’ve never let that slide.
yeah i was mainly going off in game depictions, in the games it is a slight betrayal but cause they make liu zhang out to be this tyrannical coward who doesnt take care of his people, it was less of a betrayal more of a justice, but i can definitely see it
Im sorry but Shu kinda deserved to get betrayed technically the kingdom itself didnt even need to exist they could have just sided with Wu to fight Wei. But they got power hungry and decided to give nothing back.
Now I need video about Emperor Bian expressions being betrayed again and again and again, starting from Dong Zhuo to Cao Pi. You were supposed to be the Emperor, dude!
I never knew Sima Yi betrayed the Cao family. I knew he went on to kill the Cao emperor after Zhuge Liang dies, but usually Pi and Cao are both dead by that point
I think you forgot to mention Ma Chao. He was betrayed by Zhang Lu after defending Chengdu. Zhang Lu tried to kill him and send his head to Cao Cao, but Ma Chao fled to Shu
Ok, The reason Eastern Wu turn on Shu Han because Guan Yu not only insult the Wu emissary, but he took their food gentry without permission. Zhang Fei was killed by his lieutenants due to his.......unfortunate outbursts. Strangely he was killed in his sleep...with his eyes open. Jiang Wei betray Cao Wei due to Ma Zun's paranoia.
Historically Sun Quan recommended this to Cao Cao before that it was still top 3 dumbest moves made by Wu. Wei was going to collapse if Guan Yu took Fan as Guan Yu only marched on Fan as people were rebelling due to being overworked however Guan Yu didn't arrive in time and Cao Ren had everyone and their families killed leading the population to go into hiding. Cao Cao was already planning on moving the emperor but was stopped by Sima Yi saying it would make him look weak and lead to more rebellions. If Guan Yu took Fan Cao Cao would have likely moved the emperor then. Shu also had returned more of Jing than Wu took themselves.
I think the three most important are probably Lu Bu betraying Dong Zhuo, Liu Bei betraying liu Zhang and Sun Quan betraying Liu Bei/Guan Yu The reason the Zhao Yun was only in 6 is because in the novel and records he doesn’t really betray in the novel I think Gongsun Zan assigns him to Liu Bei’s unit who then leaves Gongsun Zan amicably. In history Zhao Yun serves both but he ends up requesting a leave of absence for his brother’s death which is granted (so no betrayal) and Gongsun Zan and Liu bei are wiped out while hes on leave mourning his brother. He then meets up with Liu Bei in Yuan Shao’s domain So no betrayal in either case. That’s probably why he is the poster boy no major blemishes on his record.
@@TheNightowlGaming yup it was a total betrayal liu bei was supposed to help guard liu zhang from zhang lu/cao cao attacks but instead used some pretense to turn around and attack him
@@TheNightowlGaming Well Zhuge Liang’s initial plan was for Liu Bei to get Jing and Yi provinces but the ones that were actually turncoats who “offered” him Yi were Fa Zheng, Meng Da and Zhang Song. It could even be a double betrayal because earlier Sun Quan had wanted to march an army to conquer Yi but Liu Bei blocked him saying that it was not just to attack Liu Zhang (presumably because he wanted to be the one to do it) but then obviously he did just that a few years later
Guan Yu being betrayed by Wu in the Battle Of Fan Castle should be #1.
novel wise yee, in game wise mmmm sima yi doing that to cao cao back then was crazy!
for me #1 when Sima Yi betrayed Wei when he turned around at Tsao Pi n smiled I'm like dam 😂
@@TheNightowlGaming sima yi never betrays cao cao, he betrays his descendant, which sima yi deem unfit to rule. Sure they are the final winner but it's already at a state of all three kingdom kinda deteriorate, with most of the major hero died already. Guan Yu's death was followed by a bunch of great hero's death as well.
Cao Cao died short after, it the ROTK, it says guan yu's death affect Cao Cao a lot, in the actual history IDK.
Zhang Fei died because he was betrayed after he went on a drunk violence due to his sadness
Lu Meng died shortly after
Liu Bei used most of his forces to attack Wu, but failed at Yi Ling, with Huang Zhong dead and him soon after
Pang De died during the battle
and this is just famous general that was kinda affected by Guan Yu.
A lot of great name general slowly died within 10 years, sure it wasn't caused of Guan Yu, but I said Guan Yu's death is the start of the falls of great heroes that emerges in three kingdom
As a Shu fanboy yeah, completely agree lol
@@r29920831 dam nice so Huang Zhong died in Yi Ling
In my opinion, the betrayal at Fan Castle was a master plan of Cao Cao. He knew that he couldn't handle both Shu and Wu at once, so he use Jing as bait to cause their alliance to breakdown. As Shu and Wu exhaust resources to occupy Jing, Wei can simply watch, catch their breath, and crush either kingdoms once they're weaken. This is also one of the reason Cao Cao manipulated Wu into killing Guan Yu. The reformed alliance would be shallow at best afterwards.
Yeah great plan, devastating betrayal!
Interesting idea it's possible. Xu Chang the capital where the emperor was right beyond Jing province. Shu had gained a lot of momentum in the Han Zhong campaign and needed to blunt the momentum. Wu having been beaten again at He Fei were likely already angry. So more of a reason.
the plan is by Sima Yi actually
Shu betrayed Wu - Wu Dog
I think the funny bit is that though the dipiction in the games of all the betrayles Shu suffered were gut renching, anyone who is familier with the actual history and novel would that Shu had it coming. With Zhuge Liang practially trolling Zhou Yu to death taking JIng Province, Zhang Fei abusing his men, and the fact that Guan Yu straight up called Sun Quan a Bitch after tha latter requested Guan's daughter to marry one of his sons. ( Guan Yu's exact words were something along the lines of "How could a tiger's daughter marry the son of a dog?" so we all know what he ment by saying that.)
Also I think a betrayal thats worth mentioning would be the one that led to Lu Bu's defeat by his own men because not only is it the best form of Karma for one who is known for betraying, but is poetic how one of China's mightiest warriors was brought down by a "back-stab."
Oh yeah i forgot they mutinied and betrayed him and thats what led to capture, the games always show him being surrounded, so thats why I didnt think of it, good point!
When Cao Cao betrays someone, it's seen as a bold move, almost admirable. But when others do it, they're often criticized as weak or disloyal. In historical accounts, Liu Biao's lack of trust in Liu Bei led to him being sent to the frontline to defend against Cao Cao. After Liu Biao's death, the province naturally passed to his favored son, Liu Cong, who promptly surrendered to Cao Cao.
However, in the novel "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" (ROTK), the situation in Jin province is more complex. Originally belonging to Liu Biao, who favored Liu Bei and despised Cao Cao for his manipulation of the emperor, control of the province ultimately fell to Liu Cong due to the influence of Liu Biao's wife and top general, Cai Mao. Despite this, Liu Biao had expressed a desire for Jin province to never fall into Cao Cao's hands and for Liu Bei to protect it.
The Wu kingdom's actions can be understood as strategic. They allied with a weaker lord to oppose Cao Cao, even though Cao Cao's forces were a threat to them as well. In a world where power is paramount, it was a pragmatic move for Wu. However, when Liu Bei gained strength by conquering Yi Province, the power dynamics shifted, disrupting the delicate balance among the factions. It's so much of the idea Jin Province belong to Wu because they deserve it more due to the loss in the alliance, rather than it was theirs in the first place.
In actual history, Zhou Yu conquered Nanjun fair and square and he tried to use it as a starting city to attack Wei and soon fell ill and die. Lu Su didn't think they have the capability of invade Cao Cao (because they used a lot of resource and Cao Ren being a beast block it all), ceded Nanjun to Liu Bei. Ofc there is the annoyance the fact to Wu, while they are fighting super harsh battle against Cao Cao. Liu Bei's forces are just conquering the southern Jin region (Which also belong to Cao Cao), expanding their forces. Lu Su's foresight led him to prioritize the bigger picture over petty conflicts; hence, he decided to grant Nanjun to Liu Bei. This strategic move ensured that Liu Bei would be the one directly confronting Cao Cao instead of Wu. Essentially, the division resulted in Liu Bei controlling Nanjun and the western part of northern Jin, with Wu governing the eastern part. Meanwhile, Cao Cao retained control over the northern section of Jin. While Liu Bei may have viewed this as an exchange, Sun Quan perceived it as a temporary loan.
I also want to point out, what Liu Bei did is actually similar to what Sun Ce did. The whole Sun family basically went to Yuan Shu to seek for shelter and help after Sun Jian died to Liu Biao. At that point, the sun family belongs to Yuan Shu forces. Sun Ce then used the Imperial jade seal to exchange for soldiers to "conquer the Wu region" for Yuan Shu, but he actually did it for himself. When Yuan Shu made a dumbass decision to claim himself the new emperor, Sun Ce just focuses on complete control of Wu instead of helping Yuan Shu out when he's getting attack by Cao Cao and Liu Bei. You can argue what Sun Ce is smart and he shouldn't allied with some dumbass traitor against the imperial Han empire, but then that also mean Liu Bei isn't stupid for conquering Southern Jin while Wu is fighting against Cao Cao. Wu can simply choose not to join the war but they felt like they deserve a piece of the cake that is Jin Province. Just FYI, the northern Jin (contested area) is far more valuable than southern Jin. It basically compare a major city vs some big towns.
Not only that but time and time again they agreed on Jing just being a borrowed region for Liu Bei until he consolidated his forces on the Riverlands. Once he gained that region + HanZhong he was due to return Jing but that never happened giving Wu even more reasons to betray them. Lu Meng was really pissed about it and hated Guan Yu to the core, first he saw Zhou Yu dying to the "trolling" done by Zhou Yu and Guan Yu disrespecting his friend and mentor, Lu Su (who was also a very kind man, they really called him a gentleman) on his weakest.
Wu fought and fought and they didn't anything to show for it. On their perspective , they were owe something and Shu just spit on them on return.
1:13 It is historically happened. Zhong Hui and Jiang Wei became ally because... *looks of Shu fall down*
Yahhh so crazy
Cao cao used deception to make people think han sui betrayed them forcing han sui to actually switch sides. This is one of the versions of his betrayal. There’s a whole level about it in some of the games. Very cool
Ah yeah tong gate, but it was less of a betrayal and more of a clever tactic spurred by Jia Xu 😁😁
The biggest betrayal in Dynasty warriors for me is when i'm getting my shit kicked on Chaos and barely managed to drive enemy away from base with 10 hp left only for my mom who's still full HP to snatch the food away and didn't even realized it
Lol damn!
Sir, You posted this before my birthday is coming at March 30... BUT DANG THE VIDEO-😭👀
👀😁 happy early bday!
@@TheNightowlGaming thank you! :D
I also feel like Wan castle was a good honorable mention, it lead to the death of not only Dian Wei but also one of Cao Cao's sons. Not to mention Jia Xu joins Cao cao after the fact.
Yes that is a good one! But it was cao caos fault for going after the MANS WIFE! lol
@@TheNightowlGaming very true
Sima Yi betraying Cao Cao in DW6 was so not him
Even this Sima Yi portrayed both DW7 and DW8 highly respected Mengde until Cao Rui
True! But in the games it was definitely cool to see because the way sima yi is portrayed in earlier games, he had that evilness about him and DW6 they finally explored, def fun to watch
Sima Yi in that game when he had those claw weapons I knew he was gonna do some anime betrayal shit. lol
LOL 😆
If memory serves me right, Xu You was the other one who defected to Cao Cao at Guandu. I don't know about Guo To but I'm certain that Xu You revealed the location of the supplies at Wuchao. At least that's how it went in the RotTK. Love the video as always and was wondering if you'd recommend DW9E as I've been eyeing it for a while and can't decide. The last DW I played was DW8E but I've been with the series since DW2 and was sadly put off DW9 due to reviews, so would love to hear your opinion.
yeah it's Xu You, both Xu You and Guo Tu is Yuan Shao advisor, and correct he revealed the location the supplies to Cao Cao well he kinda force to make that decision because his family member got arrested by Yuan Shao subordinates,
Zhang He and Gao Lan also defected to Cao Cao because they got slandered by Guo Tu who became fearful because his advice gone wrong (advising to attack Cao Cao main camp meanwhile Wuchao got raid by Cao Cao army, which make Yuan Shao split his army to attack/defense both),
Well it's too many internal struggle in Yuan Shao camp compared to Cao Cao camp which relatively united,
Also from what i remember before served Cao Cao, Xun Yu also served Yuan Shao (one of his brother still served Yuan Shao).
cmiiw
Yeah it was Xu You im pretty sure, and for DW9E it's not bad, it's fun but it's not as good as the older games, not as immersive in my opinion but gameplay wise it's good
oh yeah i forgot about gao lan
@@AdityaPutra-ul5xxThat was it! Thank you😊 for some reason I was mixing up Guo Tu with Tian Feng (ironically didn't betray Yuan Shao but was executed by him for alleged treachery). Got to admit Guandu was a fascinating turning point for the late Han dynasty as it was there that Yuan Shao nearly executed Liu Bei for the actions of Guan Yu and where Cao Cao nearly lost his entire army due to lack of supplies and being outnumbered. Xu You pretty much set the course of history there by intervening on Liu Bei's behalf and defecting to Cao Cao. It's why I love all things Three Kingdoms, makes A song of ice and fire look like a Dr Seuss book by comparison 😂
@@TheNightowlGamingTbf I think being fun is pretty much DW bread and butter 😂 I think I will invest in it though as I love the warriors games... Although there is WO4 or SW5 hmm 🤔 I think I'll stick with DW9E for now 😂 probably spend my first 100 hour in the character creator like I did with 8E where o decided it would be a good idea to create the entire cast of The Heroic Legend of Arslan. Which was a great idea until in a recent campaign I met Daryun on the battlefield and he damn near kicked my head in 🤣
Top 10 anime betrayals
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Great video, great list!
When i saw Lu Bu at #2, i thought you are gonna do it again - "And #1 is YOU~!" 😅😅😅
OK, surprised by Zhao Yun here. Like others had explained, nope, not a betrayal at all. Zhang Fei's one was though, and a really sad one. Otherwise, I ... somehow cannot class many of them as actual betrayals (people switch sides in real life, just like pro wrestling. 😅) Like, Jiang Wei submitted only after defeat, i think? Xu You did betray the location of Wu Chao ... but Zhang He was forced to switch sides, fearing for his life. Like Xiahou Ba ...
If anything, Liu Bei has to take number 1. While I can't fault him for leaving Yuan Shao (and Liu Bei was with arch-rival Gongsun Zan earlier), he also betrayed Cao Cao after Cow Cow took him under his wing. Cannot fault him for reminding Cao Cao to behead Lu Bu too ... Later, "I cannot attack my kinsman", then proceeded to attack Liu Biao's son and Liu Zhang. Someone wrote in the comments too - persuaded Sun Quan not to attack Liu Zhang earlier (I cannot remember this, but 100% possible) Refused to return Jing as promised later. "How can I be the Emperor of Han?!" and then became the emperor of (Shu-)Han. Ultimate "betrayal" is towards his own kingdom of Shu. When Liu Bei understandably wanna get revenge for Guan Yu's death, even the extremely loyal Zhao Yun remarked (in actual historical records) - "Revenge for Guan Yu is a personal matter" and attacking Wu just like that was plain wrong (and would result in ultimate defeat to Wei) ... my point is, no matter how I try to present factually that Liu Bei betrayed many people, it doesn't matter and they all still love him, ha.
Liu Bei has to be number 1. 😅
Love the comments, and yeah definitely a hard one to make for sure and I can definitely see that with Liu Bei track record how he could be #!
Hey Nightowl. While not the point of this video, I wanted to add in that thing about Jiang Wei at 6:28 that late Shu had a few people who are badly underrated in fiction. In particular, Ma Zhong, not the one who served Wu, and Zhang Ni, not to be confused with Zhang Yi(also a fairly skilled general of Shu) were two of the best of the kingdom. Unlike fiction suggests, Zhuge Liang’s campaign in 225 did not end the uprisings in the south, and there would be several more over the next 30 years. Ma Zhong and Zhang Ni were the two main man from the 230's into the 250's in charge of putting down rebels, doing very well at this repeatedly. Because they didn't have major roles in campaigns fiction likes to focus on, although Ma Zhong did actually go with Zhuge Liang on the 231 campaign as a advisor and a elder Zhang Ni fought in the 254 campaign under Jiang Wei, where he was killed, they are mostly ignored in fiction. Historically, both were highly skilled generals and administrators, while Zhang Ni was also noted as a skilled warrior.
Nice they sound awesome, werent they the ones who got captured by Zhurong? THey sound familiar
@TheNightowlGaming I think so. That was in the novel. Edit. Looked it up. Yes that was them in the book.
I guess Mi Fang and Fu Shi Ren betrayal were like conjoined with Wu betraying Guan Yu at Fan Castle. Because that's right there are like my top 10 anime betrayal and the reason why i want them to be playable characters (sad they aren't that important in the novel)
And also I can't put Zhuge Dan betrayal anywhere top 10 because i feel like his betrayal is just plain stupid... Understandable but stupid
Lol very understandable and stupid, but I couldnt think of anything else, I guess liu bei betraying liu zhang but the games display it so nobly that I didnt even think about it
@@TheNightowlGaming oh i got something fun... Liu Shan betrayed Liu Bei's dreams and legacy by surrendering to Wei. From what I've seen, people were pissed.
Dude this guy carying youtube dynasty warriors content respect to the goat owl plus can i get pinned
Appreciate it bro!
@@TheNightowlGaming anytime
The biggest Dynasty Warriors betrayal is fucking Dynasty warriors 9
Yeah that was a let down for sure.. hopefully 10 will be better
Nah the betrayal at Fan castle is so uncalled for 😭. I remember as a kid not knowing any outcome in DW5 and seeing all the commanders either flee or die back to back and then the Lu Meng dialogue kicking off as Im struggling every objective playing Guan Ping and then seeing Guan Yu die. I was heartbroken man, Wu is my second fave and they did the dirtiest trick in the book by basically just handing all future wins to the forces of wei and all that followed. Foul play and bad leadership of Sun Quans part. Sun Ce and Sun Jian would’ve never let that slide.
Yeah that was crazy! Cause that cutscene you dont think he's gonna die and then he falls! ah good times
Neither would Sun Shang Xiang if she became leader of Wu
@@RedDusk369 True True. Sun Quan kinda killed Wu I think.
You're delusional.. It is Shu that lacked integrity in their alliance with Wu.. Shu needed Wu more than Wu needed Shu
So you're saying Wu would've won the battle of Chi Bi all on their own?
I thought may be you should have mentioned Liu Zhang betrayed by Liu Bei
yeah i was mainly going off in game depictions, in the games it is a slight betrayal but cause they make liu zhang out to be this tyrannical coward who doesnt take care of his people, it was less of a betrayal more of a justice, but i can definitely see it
Sima Yi even in all the older games you just saw the look on his face, you knew he was gonna betray you even as a first time player of the games
he had that dawg in him
Sima Yi is definitely number 1 for me too. I enjoyed playing through the Lu Bu betrayals, ive forgotten which game it was though
Haha let's go!
Im sorry but Shu kinda deserved to get betrayed technically the kingdom itself didnt even need to exist they could have just sided with Wu to fight Wei. But they got power hungry and decided to give nothing back.
Yeah definitely might've been deserved still sucked regardless
About Guandu. It was Xu You. The other guy is Gao Lan, who joined with Zhang He. Guo Tu stayed with Yuan Tan for later.
Ahhh yeah I knew it was somethin like that 😁😁
@@TheNightowlGaming you're welcome man... :)
Now I need video about Emperor Bian expressions being betrayed again and again and again, starting from Dong Zhuo to Cao Pi. You were supposed to be the Emperor, dude!
Top Tier List. Lu Bu betraying everyone is on brand for him. 😂😂
LOL typical Lu Bu
I never knew Sima Yi betrayed the Cao family. I knew he went on to kill the Cao emperor after Zhuge Liang dies, but usually Pi and Cao are both dead by that point
historically he never did that! just was a hypothetical branch in the earlier games !
@@TheNightowlGaming oh OK that makes sense. It's a shame the later games don't focus a lot on his rivalry with Zhuge Liang
10:32 YO THAT ACTING WAS A**!!
Yah the VA in 9 is... yeah...
Dw9 as a whole is a**
Blame Koei becoming Cheap Mother Fuckers.
I think you forgot to mention Ma Chao. He was betrayed by Zhang Lu after defending Chengdu. Zhang Lu tried to kill him and send his head to Cao Cao, but Ma Chao fled to Shu
right this list is about people who betrayed others, ig Zhang Lu is okay but its just not significant enough imo
Ok, The reason Eastern Wu turn on Shu Han because Guan Yu not only insult the Wu emissary, but he took their food gentry without permission. Zhang Fei was killed by his lieutenants due to his.......unfortunate outbursts. Strangely he was killed in his sleep...with his eyes open. Jiang Wei betray Cao Wei due to Ma Zun's paranoia.
Historically Sun Quan recommended this to Cao Cao before that it was still top 3 dumbest moves made by Wu. Wei was going to collapse if Guan Yu took Fan as Guan Yu only marched on Fan as people were rebelling due to being overworked however Guan Yu didn't arrive in time and Cao Ren had everyone and their families killed leading the population to go into hiding. Cao Cao was already planning on moving the emperor but was stopped by Sima Yi saying it would make him look weak and lead to more rebellions. If Guan Yu took Fan Cao Cao would have likely moved the emperor then.
Shu also had returned more of Jing than Wu took themselves.
Yeah definitely a controversial move in the story and it led to the downfall of the era, imo
lui bei should have made Guan Yu n Zhang Fei bodyguards
dude, Zhao Yun didnt betray Gongsun Zan @,@ not even in the Dynasty Warriors series did Zhao Yun betray Gongsun Zan
Gongsun Zan is beaten by Yuan Shao and Zhao Yun had no where to go but find Liu Bei to serve
Only person who lu bu didnt betrayvis the one person who betrayed him
I think the three most important are probably Lu Bu betraying Dong Zhuo, Liu Bei betraying liu Zhang and Sun Quan betraying Liu Bei/Guan Yu
The reason the Zhao Yun was only in 6 is because in the novel and records he doesn’t really betray in the novel I think Gongsun Zan assigns him to Liu Bei’s unit who then leaves Gongsun Zan amicably.
In history Zhao Yun serves both but he ends up requesting a leave of absence for his brother’s death which is granted (so no betrayal) and Gongsun Zan and Liu bei are wiped out while hes on leave mourning his brother. He then meets up with Liu Bei in Yuan Shao’s domain
So no betrayal in either case. That’s probably why he is the poster boy no major blemishes on his record.
liu bei betraying zhang I didnt even think of, it was a betrayal right? Cause he said he wasn't going to attack them but then did ?
@@TheNightowlGaming yup it was a total betrayal liu bei was supposed to help guard liu zhang from zhang lu/cao cao attacks but instead used some pretense to turn around and attack him
was that zhuge liang or fa zhengs fault for convincing him to do so?@@tonys9397
@@TheNightowlGaming Well Zhuge Liang’s initial plan was for Liu Bei to get Jing and Yi provinces but the ones that were actually turncoats who “offered” him Yi were Fa Zheng, Meng Da and Zhang Song.
It could even be a double betrayal because earlier Sun Quan had wanted to march an army to conquer Yi but Liu Bei blocked him saying that it was not just to attack Liu Zhang (presumably because he wanted to be the one to do it) but then obviously he did just that a few years later
damn the games do not display it like that lmaoo@@tonys9397
9:43 #WUDIDNOTHINGWRONG 😤
Sima Yi didn’t betray Cao Cao or Cao Pi. Cao Cao died of a brain tumor
in the hypotheticals he does 🤙
i high key HATE jiang wei
they literally have so many tactions and jiang wei wasn't
even that good of a taction to be honest
The #1 betrayal is definitely Fan Castle for me. Sima yi killing Cao Cao is way out of his character. The dude adored Cao Cao. Hated the others tho
it was a cool hypothetical though, so awesoem