There is a company selling replacement fence for the 78 rabbet plane. I had a good deal on a 78 with no fence, so I went and got the replacement too, its not original, but a nice cast, mine was a little bit out of square but it was an easy fix on my belt sander.
Very informative . As much as it is a right of passage to fall for these traps , it's good to see you're trying to save someone their hard earned money . Like so many folks, I learned every single mistake you mentioned . Thanks M.J .
I’ve learned the hard way too. It’s kinda hard not to unless you have someone there kinda guiding the way. Hopefully we all find enough scarce planes in the wild, like the occasional No2 to offset the losses 😉
Early on, I bought what I thought was a very old rabbit plane. I got it home and researched the Traut's patent and found out I had a very incomplete Stanley 46. It cost me more than the plane was worth to get the parts and cutters. But I am happy I have one.
I definitely should have specified about less common planes. Some are scarce enough that it’s worth it to buy em and then spend the time (and money 😬) to get em complete again. Somebody’s gotta do it, right??
Hi, I watch your videos regularly. Find these good. You explain a lot when you start that helps a lot. Could you show how to repair the japaning? I have a few planes that have only minor dents in the paint. For example, a good type 11. How to repair estore them inconspicuously? Maybe you have a trick. Greetings from Bavaria.
Greetings! Thank you for watching! Unfortunately I don’t know of a good way to repair japanning. In my experience it’s been an all or nothing predicament. Either strip it all and reapply or clean up what’s there and leave the worn spots. Maybe another commenter will have some insight that I don’t
Great advice. A sixth tip would be knowing where to buy. Antique dealers sell planes at a premium because there are collectors who will pay it for something to sit on a mantle piece. Buy have the advantage of finding good planes when you need them. E-bay and local classifieds are great sources of bargains but like you said buyer beware and research the plane. My two recent acquisitions were from eBay, a mint 45 and Lie Nielsen 62 for below the usual cost because they were deceased estates. Other great places are local markets (but they are always a mixed bag), and local woodworking forums (where people are happy to keep them in the local woodworking community and support new woodworkers).
Great video. Many of the Sargent and Wards and Winchester or Keen Kutters and Craftsman have interchangeable parts like lever caps and solid Rosewood knobs and totes! Save some of the links below at top of list please. The old Rosewood toes and the early lever caps fit. An appalling trend is people dissembling plane to sell piece mill on eBay. Great video and super sound advice! Thanks for sharing. At this time the community is very helpful on US makers such as Diamond Edge and who made them distinguished by the lateral adjustment levers. There are some useful parts to be found on the old lower tier Sears Dunlap brand.
Agreed. If folks aren’t concerned about keeping things type correct, they can borrow parts from other brands. Stanley made planes for other companies and often the parts are identical or only have minor cosmetic differences.
I don't have much choice where I live. I buy every plane I see if not crazy priced. My 1st car was exactly what you described! I find that Stanley's have been fine tuned and used before. My favorite was a Shelton. I gave it to my sister in law.
There are tool deserts out there for sure. I buy a lot of stuff online because I can’t find enough good stuff locally. It’s often a crapshoot, especially buying from auctions. But I can usually sell off the parts even if the plane itself is damaged somehow
@@justplanefun Yes, agree about all of that. My online source is you! My favorite buys of planes are where people know what they are but willing to give them up for a better home for the planes. I bought 2 that way.
Great points…I have a few “trophies” like you mention. But it sure as hell made me much more savvy in purchasing going forward. I might add #6 is buy from reputable sellers. They don’t want to tarnish their reputation by selling you a piece of trash. You may pay a little more, but you’ll be satisfied for years to come.
Funny you mention that. I was thinking of adding a plug for experienced / reputable sellers. There’s something to be said for sellers who will swap out minor parts to make a plane function better such as a worn brass adjuster or a bent chip breaker.
@@justplanefun …exactly. My list has whittled down to a half a dozen people I have total confidence in and respect the hell out of. Yeah, your on that list😎!
One that bit me a few times when I was first starting out is to not try to be a hero with every single plane. Restoring and removing rust from old planes to get them working is fun and you can get some nice planes in the end, but I found myself in too deep with one or two of them where the pitting was so bad I basically wasted my time. If the rust looks bad, it's bad. If there is any raised surfaces from the rust, stay away. I took a chance with a no. 5 online thinking it was mostly dirt buildup along with the rust on the sole based on pictures, but it turned out to be big blobs of rust that left deep pits. It wasn't worth it. It was a shame because every other part of the plane was really nice, aside from the sole and a split tote that wasn't noticeable in the images. I'm more experienced now and know what color and texture deep rust has in pictures, so I stay away. It's easy to misjudge condition at the beginning and overestimate the ability to remove rust.
That’s always a tough one. Most of us want to save every plane we can but sometimes the juice ain’t worth the squeeze. I’ve put in way too much time on one or two trying to bring em back from near death. Good call on knowing what to look for with rust spots and potential pitting!
Lots of good info. I did pretty good not buying junk. I did overspend on a Sweetheart No. 45 because I had not seen one in the wild in that condition. I've found a few of the accessories, but it's still incomplete. I do love my woodies though. I pick them up for $5 or less each, mostly for the blades, and have been able to resurrect a few that most people would have tossed in the fire. One in particular turned out to be a great user, even if it has no resale value due to how how the previous owner "fixed" the damage. I agree with you though that many are just junk. My example above was a test to see if something that would normally be discarded could be saved. I like the feedback of old wooden planes more so than the metal bodies, but I still have more metal body planes than wooden planes.
For your 45, shoot me an email or a PM. I may have the parts you’re still missing. Unless you’re content with what you have and aren’t looking to get the remaining items. There’s definitely something to be said for saving the old antiques and getting em back working again. I think they make a great passion project, especially for folks who’ve been at it for a while. Conversely, I know a handful of folks who tried out the wrong (for them at the time) type of hand plane at the start of their journey and it soured ‘em on hand planes altogether. A time and a place for everything, right?
@@justplanefun I haven't looked at the 45 closely in a while. I know I have some parts I acquired in an odd lot sale on eBay that filled some holes. I'm not sure the seller knew what s/he had. For what I'd want to do, I think I'm mostly missing the cutters, but I honestly haven't taken a full inventory on it recently so I'm not sure what I have or what is missing. We've chatted before on FB, so when I'm ready to get it up and running, I know who to reach out to 🙂.
Disagree about ebay. If a seller does not show a big defect like the ones you're talking about, you'll get your money back instantly from ebay. Been there multiple times. Edit: not really instantly, poor choice of word sorry. I meant to say without fail. Ebay's refund policy is pretty good for buyers, if the item is defective it is easy to get your money back.
And btw, the seller saying "I did not know" is not a good defense in the eyes of ebay. Unless they're selling something as broken/for parts, they can't hide behind not showing or not knowing about defects.
Doesn’t it take a bit of time in order to get your refund? I’ve never gotten to that point I’ve just had them say to return the item but most of the time I have to pay shipping back.
@@MrMeds-of5ur It can take a week or two, not too long. If the item is defective, the seller has to pay for the return. If they don't want to then you don't have to return the item and ebay will still give you your money back.
Lots of sellers will have “no returns” on their posts and verbiage in their ads that implies, or comes out and states that items are being sold “as is.” Many buyers don’t want to deal with the logistics of returning an item, dealing with eBay, and/or a potentially hostile seller. My recommendation is to keep all of the above in mind when purchasing items on eBay
@@justplanefun Those "no returns" in the listing have no value if there is an actual defect, they do not make them immune to ebay's policy. Unless they sell something for parts, you can always ask for a return if they did not disclose an actual issue with the product. There are no logistics to deal with, you received the item in a package, just use it for the return. If the seller does not want to give you a return label, just refuse and ask for your money back. At the end of the day ebay is safer for buyers than a flea market or yard sale. People just need to ask ebay to apply their policy, which they do.
There is a company selling replacement fence for the 78 rabbet plane. I had a good deal on a 78 with no fence, so I went and got the replacement too, its not original, but a nice cast, mine was a little bit out of square but it was an easy fix on my belt sander.
Very informative . As much as it is a right of passage to fall for these traps , it's good to see you're trying to save someone their hard earned money . Like so many folks, I learned every single mistake you mentioned . Thanks M.J .
I’ve learned the hard way too. It’s kinda hard not to unless you have someone there kinda guiding the way. Hopefully we all find enough scarce planes in the wild, like the occasional No2 to offset the losses 😉
@@justplanefun 😃
Thank you
Lugnut to lugnut clicks with me. Got a my 1st non-low angle non-cheap defiance plane coming in so I wanted to brush up. Thanks mane!
Good stuff!
Very good information here even for seasoned users.
Most of us have made at least one, or all 5 of these errors 😁
Nice clear concise to the point. Like it
Thank you Reverend
Another quality video MJ. Lets these young people gain knowledge. Semper Fi
Definitely gotta pass it on to the next generation. Would hate to see the hobby die because we didn’t mentor those coming up behind us
Good information.
Thanks! I definitely fell victim to a few of em when I first started out
@@justplanefun being truthful, I still get tripped up (even after collecting/restoring for years).
Early on, I bought what I thought was a very old rabbit plane. I got it home and researched the Traut's patent and found out I had a very incomplete Stanley 46. It cost me more than the plane was worth to get the parts and cutters. But I am happy I have one.
I definitely should have specified about less common planes. Some are scarce enough that it’s worth it to buy em and then spend the time (and money 😬) to get em complete again. Somebody’s gotta do it, right??
the ol' stanley's are where it's at!
Hell yea!
Go Bat Cave! 😁
Jamie is good people.
@@justplanefun Not as charismatic as you MJ, but a super knowledgeable and all around great guy.
Hi,
I watch your videos regularly. Find these good. You explain a lot when you start that helps a lot.
Could you show how to repair the japaning?
I have a few planes that have only minor dents in the paint. For example, a good type 11. How to repair
estore them inconspicuously? Maybe you have a trick.
Greetings from Bavaria.
Greetings! Thank you for watching!
Unfortunately I don’t know of a good way to repair japanning. In my experience it’s been an all or nothing predicament. Either strip it all and reapply or clean up what’s there and leave the worn spots. Maybe another commenter will have some insight that I don’t
Great advice.
A sixth tip would be knowing where to buy. Antique dealers sell planes at a premium because there are collectors who will pay it for something to sit on a mantle piece. Buy have the advantage of finding good planes when you need them.
E-bay and local classifieds are great sources of bargains but like you said buyer beware and research the plane. My two recent acquisitions were from eBay, a mint 45 and Lie Nielsen 62 for below the usual cost because they were deceased estates.
Other great places are local markets (but they are always a mixed bag), and local woodworking forums (where people are happy to keep them in the local woodworking community and support new woodworkers).
Estate sales are the best!
I kinda thought that Miller Falls green knob was a nice match for your green knob shaped stocking cap!😅 😂
That’s a great point!
Great video. Many of the Sargent and Wards and Winchester or Keen Kutters and Craftsman have interchangeable parts like lever caps and solid Rosewood knobs and totes! Save some of the links below at top of list please. The old Rosewood toes and the early lever caps fit. An appalling trend is people dissembling plane to sell piece mill on eBay. Great video and super sound advice! Thanks for sharing. At this time the community is very helpful on US makers such as Diamond Edge and who made them distinguished by the lateral adjustment levers. There are some useful parts to be found on the old lower tier Sears Dunlap brand.
Agreed. If folks aren’t concerned about keeping things type correct, they can borrow parts from other brands. Stanley made planes for other companies and often the parts are identical or only have minor cosmetic differences.
I don't have much choice where I live. I buy every plane I see if not crazy priced. My 1st car was exactly what you described! I find that Stanley's have been fine tuned and used before. My favorite was a Shelton. I gave it to my sister in law.
There are tool deserts out there for sure. I buy a lot of stuff online because I can’t find enough good stuff locally. It’s often a crapshoot, especially buying from auctions. But I can usually sell off the parts even if the plane itself is damaged somehow
@@justplanefun
Yes, agree about all of that. My online source is you! My favorite buys of planes are where people know what they are but willing to give them up for a better home for the planes. I bought 2 that way.
Great points…I have a few “trophies” like you mention. But it sure as hell made me much more savvy in purchasing going forward. I might add #6 is buy from reputable sellers. They don’t want to tarnish their reputation by selling you a piece of trash. You may pay a little more, but you’ll be satisfied for years to come.
Funny you mention that. I was thinking of adding a plug for experienced / reputable sellers. There’s something to be said for sellers who will swap out minor parts to make a plane function better such as a worn brass adjuster or a bent chip breaker.
@@justplanefun …exactly. My list has whittled down to a half a dozen people I have total confidence in and respect the hell out of. Yeah, your on that list😎!
Could you put the groups you mention at the end of your video in the comments section please?
Sure thing.
Added! Let me know if I missed anything!
One that bit me a few times when I was first starting out is to not try to be a hero with every single plane. Restoring and removing rust from old planes to get them working is fun and you can get some nice planes in the end, but I found myself in too deep with one or two of them where the pitting was so bad I basically wasted my time. If the rust looks bad, it's bad. If there is any raised surfaces from the rust, stay away. I took a chance with a no. 5 online thinking it was mostly dirt buildup along with the rust on the sole based on pictures, but it turned out to be big blobs of rust that left deep pits. It wasn't worth it. It was a shame because every other part of the plane was really nice, aside from the sole and a split tote that wasn't noticeable in the images.
I'm more experienced now and know what color and texture deep rust has in pictures, so I stay away. It's easy to misjudge condition at the beginning and overestimate the ability to remove rust.
That’s always a tough one. Most of us want to save every plane we can but sometimes the juice ain’t worth the squeeze. I’ve put in way too much time on one or two trying to bring em back from near death.
Good call on knowing what to look for with rust spots and potential pitting!
Lots of good info. I did pretty good not buying junk. I did overspend on a Sweetheart No. 45 because I had not seen one in the wild in that condition. I've found a few of the accessories, but it's still incomplete.
I do love my woodies though. I pick them up for $5 or less each, mostly for the blades, and have been able to resurrect a few that most people would have tossed in the fire. One in particular turned out to be a great user, even if it has no resale value due to how how the previous owner "fixed" the damage. I agree with you though that many are just junk. My example above was a test to see if something that would normally be discarded could be saved. I like the feedback of old wooden planes more so than the metal bodies, but I still have more metal body planes than wooden planes.
For your 45, shoot me an email or a PM. I may have the parts you’re still missing. Unless you’re content with what you have and aren’t looking to get the remaining items.
There’s definitely something to be said for saving the old antiques and getting em back working again. I think they make a great passion project, especially for folks who’ve been at it for a while. Conversely, I know a handful of folks who tried out the wrong (for them at the time) type of hand plane at the start of their journey and it soured ‘em on hand planes altogether. A time and a place for everything, right?
@@justplanefun I haven't looked at the 45 closely in a while. I know I have some parts I acquired in an odd lot sale on eBay that filled some holes. I'm not sure the seller knew what s/he had.
For what I'd want to do, I think I'm mostly missing the cutters, but I honestly haven't taken a full inventory on it recently so I'm not sure what I have or what is missing.
We've chatted before on FB, so when I'm ready to get it up and running, I know who to reach out to 🙂.
Dang it MJ did you have to call out Shelton, that was the first jack plane i bought. It’s a scrub plane now, works fine, but yeah…
We all gotta learn one way or another, right?
I mean, obv I have one too so you’re not alone! 🤣
Are you a veteran? Just curious cause of the beanie haha
Yes sir! 22 years.
@@justplanefun dude fuck yeah thabk you for your service, I just got out in August after 4 years
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This is my Facebook group that centers around finding hand plane parts
youtube.com/@BatCaveCreations
Thank you for the shout out!!!
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The big hand plane group on Facebook
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Can I have it auction group on Facebook
Mistake #1: Getting into hand planes.
End of video!
🤣😂🤣
It’s too late now! There’s no going back 😳😅
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Disagree about ebay. If a seller does not show a big defect like the ones you're talking about, you'll get your money back instantly from ebay. Been there multiple times.
Edit: not really instantly, poor choice of word sorry. I meant to say without fail. Ebay's refund policy is pretty good for buyers, if the item is defective it is easy to get your money back.
And btw, the seller saying "I did not know" is not a good defense in the eyes of ebay. Unless they're selling something as broken/for parts, they can't hide behind not showing or not knowing about defects.
Doesn’t it take a bit of time in order to get your refund? I’ve never gotten to that point I’ve just had them say to return the item but most of the time I have to pay shipping back.
@@MrMeds-of5ur It can take a week or two, not too long. If the item is defective, the seller has to pay for the return. If they don't want to then you don't have to return the item and ebay will still give you your money back.
Lots of sellers will have “no returns” on their posts and verbiage in their ads that implies, or comes out and states that items are being sold “as is.”
Many buyers don’t want to deal with the logistics of returning an item, dealing with eBay, and/or a potentially hostile seller.
My recommendation is to keep all of the above in mind when purchasing items on eBay
@@justplanefun Those "no returns" in the listing have no value if there is an actual defect, they do not make them immune to ebay's policy. Unless they sell something for parts, you can always ask for a return if they did not disclose an actual issue with the product. There are no logistics to deal with, you received the item in a package, just use it for the return. If the seller does not want to give you a return label, just refuse and ask for your money back. At the end of the day ebay is safer for buyers than a flea market or yard sale. People just need to ask ebay to apply their policy, which they do.
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