I really REALLY appreciate your videos and channel. As someone who owns the same beautiful blue Model Y(Owned for 4 months now) these videos give real life examples of rough drives on the car. Gives me much more confidence in my car especially since I'll be doing a bunch of driving this year. Thank you so much for sharing!
Thanks for watching! I always like sharing my experiences with viewers. In 2022, battery capacities are still small enough that cold weather & snow driving do impact how far we can drive pretty significantly. But with a little extra time and planning, we can get to where we need to go. Now, if only Tesla would either get rid of those frameless windows or put heating elements around 'em!
Thanks for your super kind feedback! Once the pandemic started winding down last year I returned to California and focused on my in-office career so that has taken up all my time and energy. (Also more lucrative than UA-cam advertising! Haha…) But I do have another story with my car that has recently arisen that I know people will be interested in, so I’m starting to formulate the next video in my head already. Now let’s just see if I can juggle that with my regular day-to-day obligations & excitements. Haha. Thanks for watching and I hope you’re having a great day!
Thanks for the super kind words! 🙏 I miss making videos but I eventually made my way back home in California and focused again on my day job. It was a total of 48,000 miles all around the US & Canada over 16 months and it was a total adventure. Every once in a while on my way home from work I feel like turning east and driving across the country again. 🤣
@@MechayaAlta Hey! Sorry for the delayed response. I think my answer is: I would happily do the trip again if there weren't a blizzard outside. ;) If I absolutely had to do it in a blizzard (and I wouldn't want to!), I'd likely look for a hotel that had a Level 2 J1772 240V charger that I could plug into in order to precondition the car for an hour taking electricity from the grid rather than relying on the battery itself. As for a different vehicle with windows that didn't freeze... sure, that would be better... but... technically those cars' doors can freeze shut (not just the window), and the crummy weather conditions can also make driving conditions for them pretty nasty... so.... sure, doing the trip in a hybrid Toyota with better window frames would likely be better... but only for that very specific issue relating to the window (and also not needing to precondition so much connected to electricity). I hope that helps and that you're enjoying winter!
Love the video. thanks for taking us along on your cold-weather road trip in your Tesla Model Y! It's fascinating to see how the car performs in different weather conditions. From the blizzard in Iowa City to dealing with frozen doors and windows, it definitely seems like a challenging journey. It's impressive to see how you prepared your car by pre-conditioning the battery and interior, although it's unfortunate that the doors and windows still froze. The struggle of crawling over the seats and dealing with alarms must have been quite an adventure! Stay safe and enjoy the rest of your trip!
Thanks for reaching out! That journey was in early 2022 and the good news is that Tesla has released some nice updates since then. I spent time up in an immense amount of snow this winter in the Sierra Nevada Mountains and the car was night-and-day better. I also had the ability to precondition the vehicle while plugged into a 240V charger (and stuck in a monster blizzard) and had none of the problems with frozen windows/doors that I had in 2022. Tesla has also released an update where you can pop the doors open remotely with the phone app even if the door handles are frozen, so Winter 2023 was much better than 2022. 😃 If I lived somewhere with harsh winters and didn’t have access to at-home charging, I’d probably stick with a hybrid ICE until battery capacities double and charging times are reduced in half just to accommodate the extra energy consumption in winter for preconditioning/etc., but this year was much much better than last year and that made me very happy. If you have a garage and/or at-home charging, Model Y in 2023+ is now a very reasonable option. Thanks for watching!
Thank you very much Daniel. I have watched several of your videos recently and learned so much about how to operate and manage a Tesla. I’m expecting to take delivery of my Model Y LR in Feb-Mar this year and feel much more prepared for this now. I also appreciate the amazing scenery in your cross country expeditions. Thanks again!
Hi Paul, thank you for your very kind feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the videos and were able to learn from them. I like making videos that have some fun little entertainment bits to 'em but also a lot of education and practical knowledge. The Model Y is a fun car, super high tech, and it does change the way we relate to cars just a bit. And given the current state of battery technology and the national charging network/s in 2022, we really can go virtually anywhere we did with gasoline powered cars, just with a little extra time and planning especially if that's into the middle of nowhere. Haha. Looking forward to the DC fast charging network continuing to be built out and becoming so common that powering our EVs will be as easy as it is/was with ICEs. Hopefully that'll happen within a couple years. Best of luck with your MYLR and reach out if you ever have any questions!
Nice video, Daniel! Thanks for taking the time to make it. Once covid is better, my wife and i want to do some road tripping. Thanks for the inspiration! Cheers!
Thanks for your kind feedback. I'm really enjoying road tripping across the US in my Model Y. Sure, it takes a bit more time because of charging, and a bit more planning if I want to head out into the middle of nowhere, but I've been really happy with it. I've covered 45,000 miles over the past 15 months so I've definitely learned a thing or two along the way. The main thing being that winter tires matter! Haha... Best of luck with your future road trips and reach out if you have any questions.
Just finished binge watching your videos. It is so refreshing to have someone who talks about real world experiences with their Tesla. My wife and I have our Model Y LR on ordered, and can't wait to start driving this fun car. Keep up the amazing content as your videos provide so much real fun information that will be helpful for any EV adapters! Safe travels!
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your very kind feedback! 🙏 I’ve had a lot of fun making these videos and also learning so much while jumping into my new electric lifestyle. When I first started making my videos, I realized that there was an opportunity to provide this type of content that maybe wouldn’t be super polished or popular, but would provide viewers with real world experiences - and helpful details - that just weren’t really being produced anywhere else. Since I already have a good day job, I didn’t need to rely on likes, subscribes or advertising to generate income. That gave me a lot of freedom to talk about whatever I wanted in whatever way I wanted. I think the videos are a bit silly and fun, and I’m glad I’ve been able to help you as we all jump into our electric future! Do reach out if you ever have any questions. I’m a real person who loves to help people figure out this crazy new and awesome technology. 😊⚡️🔋🚘
Thanks for the kind feedback. I think it’s better for people to know exactly what they’re getting into when they buy electric vehicles so there are no surprises or disappointments. Almost all aspects of driving an electric vehicle are totally manageable and will continue to decline as battery capacities and the charging networks gets built out over the upcoming years. But in 2022 there are still some significant considerations especially in winter weather. With a little bit of extra planning, we can basically go wherever we want. Even in winter.
Thanks for your interesting video. Great trip you made. Must say you are a brave man - doing this winter trip on none-winter tyre. Impressed! Waiting for my Model Y that shall arrive next month ...... I hope
Thanks for reaching out! Humorously, I actually thought I was doing myself a favor trying to get on the road before the blizzard hit thinking it would be as small as forecasts had predicted and then I'd just get on the roads as they were cleared overnight. That didn't happen. Haha. I had driven on some icy roads up in Canada and the Midwest over the previous months and really wanted to outpace the storm because of my all-season times... but you know what they say about the best made plans. ;) Congrats on your Model Y. It's a super fun car - especially when you're rolling on the right tires for the season. Haha. Good luck and reach out if you have any questions about the car!
@@goingelectric7826 Normally we have some real winter roads here in Sweden - not so much here in Stockolm where I live but I do a lot of travling. Try to travel out in the nature as often I can. I am a amateur landscape photographer :-) Have a lot of travel plans with my new VE - my first Ve. Have not yet got any delivery date - hope I will get in february. I feel like a young kid before christmas:-) Its crazy. Think I have watchet all vidoes on youtube :-) I have read al lot of problems with the windscreen wiper - what do you think about them. And there are also a lot of screeams about the new layout. I have ordered a white and with black inside. Sorry for my bad english Looking forward for videos from you Take care / Choke
@@chokenygren5426 Your English is great. I used to be an English teacher in Japan and Saudi Arabia for years so I know good and bad English when I hear it. :) And congrats on your EV! It’s a very exciting purchase which comes with some new ways of doing things, but you get used to them quite quickly. Regarding the windshield wipers: I haven’t had any unusual issues with them. I do have to clean them like any other wiper but they work fine. I have heard that it can be helpful to put them in service mode during snowstorms so that they are less likely to be blocked/frozen by snow, but I have not tried that myself. You might try to do some research online about it. As for the new screen/user interface: I generally like it and only have a couple of minor complaints. I don’t think most new buyers will care about it because they will not have ever known the old user interface. My primary complaint is that Tesla needs to bring a couple key functions to the surface for single touch access. And I think the font could be significantly larger. These are things that could easily be updated with future software releases.
Thanks for reaching out! I tell ya, driving up the continental divide in blizzards and harsh frozen winds can be a challenge to ICEs and EVs alike. Our EVs do feel it more intensely in the early 2020s tho because the energy we carry onboard only works out to around 2.2 gallons of gasoline... so any reductions in motor efficiency do ding range more impactfully than an ICE which can also be fueled up more easily than an EV. BUT... it's still possible to drive our EVs such long distances in such conditions... if you do a little planning and give yourself some extra time. That said, day to day operation in harsh winter weather in all my time in the Midwest over the last couple years has been fine. As long as your daily range is less than 150-200 miles, you'll just get in the car and go. But as you saw: I'm not a big fan of Tesla's windowless frame design choice since I'm someone who parks outside and gets frozen shut frequently. 😭 For people who park in a covered/garage spot and have 240V charging access, winter driving is super easy. Best of luck with your Y and enjoy those strong headwinds!
Hi Daniel ! Appreciate watching this video, as I await for my Model Y in the next few weeks. New England winters often bring challenges with snow and cold. However, while around home very few people drive in active storms anyhow. I had planned to go full EV and trade in my Honda CRV. Your making me rethink that decision as I often travel to Vt and NH to ski. Your cold weather follies and 100 m range was eye opening !
Hey! Thanks for watching and reaching out! Definitely, extreme winter weather spanks all cars but you do feel it in a unique way in a full EV simply due to the smaller amount of energy in batteries in 2002 compared to what you have in a gas tank. BUT, the issue is rather nuanced. When people ask me whether they should go electric, I typically ask them the following questions: 1) do/will you have 240V charging options at home and your common destinations, 2) how many miles will you typically be driving between those common destinations on a regular basis, and 3) how bad is winter where you are and how much driving will you be doing those longer routes in harsh winter weather? What I really like about the video I made is that it shows REAL WORLD experiences for someone like myself in an EV without 240V charging options at my destinations. Because of the importance of pre-conditioning your battery in winter WHILE STILL PLUGGED IN, you can see how helpful 240V home/business/hotel chargers are for EV owners in cold climates so you can get that battery warm and maximize range *after* you disconnect. Preconditioning that battery from the energy in the battery alone can reduce range quite a bit. Therefore, Question 1: if you have 240V charging options at your home/destinations, you can switch over to an EV and and not even winter weather will get in your way. Regarding Questions 2 & 3: a Model Y has a usable battery capacity of 75kWh (some swear it's 78kWh). After 55,000 miles and two years with much of my driving being at highway speeds, my average efficiency is 291Wh/mi or 3.4mi/kWh. Multiplying that by the battery capacity, a new Model Y has a REAL WORLD good weather range of 257mi. However, if you drive somewhat slower than me then it could be as high as 270-280 miles, and if you usually stayed under 50mph then you'd actually be up in Tesla's advertised 330mi range. If we are comparing against my REAL WORLD range and not the fictitious EPA-Tesla range numbers claimed on their website of 330mi, harsh winter weather can reduce efficiency/range by 25% (down to 192mi); or if you're comparing it to the EPA numbers, you're looking at -41% (i.e. 192 miles). And since most drivers only ever do a 90% depletion cycle rather than 100% down to 0%, you can reduce 192 miles by 10% which would bring you down to a practical worst-weather scenario of 173 miles between charges on the most rotten of days. Therefore: if you are regularly driving more than 173 miles in the worst of New England weather and don't want to stop for a Supercharge AND don't have access to a 240V charger (or Supercharger) at your destination, then I'd say you should stick with an efficient hybrid ICE until battery technology develops later this decade and into the 2030s to meet the needs you have. BUT... if you aren't driving more than 173 miles on those worst of winter days AND you do have charging options at your departure/arrival locations, then you'll be totally fine and you can go electric starting now. Interestingly, a number of people have actually reached out to me about this video expressing their concerns. I'm actually happy about that because the internet seems to be either all roses and sunshine about EVs or pure doom and gloom against them whereas my videos show both the good, the bad, and everything in the middle. But I will say: if you're planning on driving west across the United States in blizzards and up the continental divide, prepare to charge frequently! Let me know if you have any questions, especially with actual routes you might go on in winter weather and I can have you take a look at the Tesla range calculator on their website AND THEN show you what real world efficiency and range would be like in your case in rotten winter weather. Welcome to the world of electric vehicles in the early 2020s. With a little bit of information and planning (which the car does most of for you), you'll easily be able to make the switch!
Hi Daniel, thank you so very much for such a detailed and thoughtful response to my EV concerns. I think I’m stressing over the 10% and not focusing on the 90%. I generally have plenty of options around home ( including my Tesla Wall Connector on a 60 amp circuit I had installed). I do need to remember your preconditioning while plugged in comment. New England ski trips will need to be better planned as charging is limited but available with a bit of inconvenience. We are planning a westerly road trip during the winter but primarily will stay on major highways where charging options should be more than adequate. Life is too short to wait so we are going All In. As another viewer commented, I wish I had your patience and outlook. A work in process 🤞
Thanks for reaching out and sharing such nice feedback! Making these videos keeps me out of trouble while traveling around the US so it's probably good that I make 'em. Haha. Also, since the EV mass market is so crazy new, I like sharing my day to day experiences in these videos so people can see what it's *really* like to drive an EV, and a Model Y in particular, which most tech/car enthusiast videos don't spend too much time going in depth with. Thanks again for your really kind words, and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
Hi, I'm looking for a good electric car. Live in Norway and need a car that is good for winter driving. I have looked at the Tesla Model Y, Polestar 2 and Hyundai Ioniq 5. Is the Tesla Model Y a good car and does it generally have good quality. Thanks👍
Hi! The only answer I can give is: Tesla build quality varies significantly for cars coming out of the Fremont, California factory. Some people I've spoken with have had no problems with their vehicles whereas other people have had many. I'm not sure what the situation is for Teslas coming out of China, Germany or even Austin, Texas. Sorry for not being able to be more specific. 😭
Great to hear from you! And thank you so much for your super kind words. 😃 After driving around the United States for 50,000 miles I finally made it back home and have been focused on career and settling back in to my old/new routine. Once the pandemic officially wrapped up, hotel prices started to skyrocket and I figured it was time for me to settle down and pay real rent again and save myself some money. Haha
Hey! Thanks for your super nice comment! 🙏 I actually got back to California after my travels around the US and needed to focus on my daytime career again although I really enjoyed making videos. It turns out UA-cam doesn’t pay very much! Haha. Thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed the videos! 😃
Hey, great to hear from you! After I got back to California last winter my day-job really ramped up like crazy (in a good way) and I decided to focus on hitting the gas on that. I spent a good 18 months driving around the US & Canada during the pandemic but as shutdowns and the rest of it came to an end I figured it was time to start getting back to regular life which unfortunately meant less time for making videos which I loved. 😭 My godson really wants me to make a 2-year 58,000 mile review video this winter/spring so I'll see if I can pull that off. I hope all is well with you, and thanks again for watching! 😃
Hey! Thanks for reaching out and sharing those very kind words! 🙏 As it turns out, I wrapped up my 2-year pandemic EV travels in 2022 and settled back into my post-pandemic life and focused on my day job which pays much more than UA-cam videos. Haha. ($550 from UA-cam. Woo hoo!!!) I really enjoyed the adventure around the US & Canada and I miss making videos. Humorously tho, my godson thinks I should make a 2-year 60,000 mile review video so I'll just have to think about that. Thanks again for watching and reaching out. I hope all is well in your part of the world! :)
Thank you for your very kind message! :) I actually returned to California after my travels around the US and Canada, settled down and decided to focus on my day job which pays much better than UA-cam. Haha. But I really loved making these videos and chatting with everyone on UA-cam along the way. Every so often I think I should make another video but then another project comes up at work! 😭 Thanks again for watching and for being so nice. It’s people like you who make the world such a nice place to be in. 😃
@@goingelectric7826 You are very welcome and also thank you for your kind message as well. I've watched every single one of your videos. I found them to be informative and entertaining. I actually had my wife watch a couple of your videos. I also have a 2020 blue Model that I took delivery in early April 2020. The only difference to yours is that I have black seats. I am glad you are doing well and who knows maybe your UA-cam followers will get a nice Christmas gift in the form of a new video from you. 😉 Take care and have a great weekend.
Thanks for the feedback. It definitely was eye-opening for me during that drive. I do love my Model Y, but I now fully understand the challenges of Midwestern & Canadian winters both on electric vehicles and also various traditional car/window design choices by manufacturers. The frameless window choice by Tesla is a luxury vehicle decision for cars that most likely are parked in garages or only driven in states with warmer climates year-round. That was certainly not the case for me in this video, and many other mass-market car owners as well. If Tesla wants to be taken seriously as a winter vehicle, it simply will need to change its window designs to minimize freezing. Or install window frame heaters. As for efficiency and range, this is basically an issue of physics and battery management. When I hear Tesla make statements that they could build an electric car with 400 or 500 miles but don’t need to because it’s too much battery, I feel like they are somewhat blinded by their location in California and Texas. That is a true statement for places that don’t experience extreme cold, but it is not a true statement for places which may experience 400 miles of range in warm weather but only 200 miles of range during winter. It turns out people in those places need cars that can drive 250 to 400 miles whether or not it’s warm or cold outside, and charging for 30 to 60 minutes every 90 minutes just isn’t gonna cut it. Hopefully as battery capacities improve and charging times decline and the fast charging network is built out, this will become less and less of an issue. All that said, I would still buy my Y even if I lived in the Midwest and wasn’t passing through. But for people who need super long distance in super cold weather along with quick refueling times, a hybrid gasoline vehicle would likely be the best choice in 2022. Hopefully that changes toward the middle or end part of the decade. Thanks for watching! 🙏
@@goingelectric7826 Yeah, makes you wonder why 65% of all new cars sold in balmy Norway are electric. Clearly these Norway cars are city cars - at least during the winter time.
Very informative video. Do you think having winter tires instead of AS tires would’ve been more efficient? What kind of all season tires did you use on your trip? Thanks again for the helpful tips!
Hey! The tires I had were my second set of Goodyear 255/40R20 101W (M+S). As for fficiency… that’s an interesting question. Somehow I imagine winter tires would be a bit less efficient because of - as far as I understand it - the greater tread and grippiness/resistance. For people who live in harsh winter climates, winter tires should be considered for those winter months. Winter tends to be a rather inefficient time of the year apparently for all aspects of human civilization. Eeek! As for me… I’m a coastal Californian who really shouldn’t have been driving through Iowa right after a blizzard. 😂 Best of luck with the snow, and thanks for watching. Feel free to reach out if you have any other equations.
I'll definitely need to look into that. I live in California but drive across the country pretty frequently, so having higher quality all-season tires would be good; or even snow tires at my parents' place permanently for when I visit in winter.
@@goingelectric7826 All weather tires are a better choice. It's not as good as winter tires but they do not turn into hockey pucks like all seasons when it hits near zero. Winter tires also wear out more quickly even in the snow. Look into the Toyo Celsius or Vredestein Quatrac Pro all weather tires.
Thanks! I always try to make videos with practical information that people can do stuff with. Planning trips, knowing how the battery really functions, and to tell people they need snow tires!! Haha. Thanks for watching!
the Mazda and the Porsche would also have less efficiency on hills, wind and in the cold. I doubt that the would achieve their stated MPGs.. love the video thanks.. I need to take my Y on a long trip
You're right on that. It's funny you bring it up because my first cut of the video went into some details with different numbers and calculations and all these different range caveats for both EVs & ICEs but -- while I love this stuff -- it was making the video a little dry, so I cut it out. 😭 I was also wondering what % reduction in efficiency an ICE would have going up that continental divide. My car was about 45% (including battery conditioning) whereas I only penalized the ICEs maybe 15-20%. I imagine it would be even more than that. And if there's one thing we all need to know: don't trust the EPA numbers. Haha... Thanks for watching!
I’ve ordered a MY (arrives Feb) … but I’m really tense about the frameless windows . I flipping hate them. Yes, other cars have them … but often coupes and convertibles. The fact is they are noisy at speed.
Thanks for the compliments on my photos. They're probably why it took me so long to drive across the country. Haha... And congrats on your Y! Excluding my frozen windows & doors, it's a super fun car. Definitely though, these frameless windows aren't great for anyone who parks their car outside. If you have a garage then they'll probably be fine since it usually takes a full over-night's worth of freezing in the snow to lock 'em in place. But when they do freeze, it's a pain in the @$$. But I can see why Tesla has them since some of the Autopilot cameras are located there on the B-Pillar... but no doubt there could be a good engineering solution for that. Enjoy your Y and reach out if you have any questions about anything!
It is fair to say that if a person is regularly driving up the continental divide in 60 mph winds and frigid winter weather - and they can’t justify the charging times - that sort of person should consider NOT buying an EV in 2022. Instead, that person should likely drive a hybrid ICE until battery technology and charging speeds meet those sort of consumers’ needs likely toward the middle or end of the 2030s. In my case, this drive was a one off, whereas the benefits of my EV are superior in virtually every other driving scenario that I have in my regular day to day driving life. Given the current state of technology, different consumers will have different needs, and some people will find that electric vehicles meet those needs easily. Whereas others will not. The good news is that for the first time in over 100 years we actually have real drivetrain choice. This will be good for everyone.
Unless you do a lot of roadtrips, the average person spends less time waiting on a charge than fueling in the long run. Keep in mind that you leave home every morning with a "full tank". The only times you do stop to charge a few minutes are on 300+mi drives. I got my EV last march. I stopped to charge a grand total of 1 time on a 6 hour drive, taking the opportunity to go to the bathroom and buy a Pepsi and by the time I came back to the car I had overcharged. You rarely fully charge on the road, just enough to come back, and then you plug in at home and it'll be full when you wake up the next morning.
Daniel, you know you can make your video's longer than 14 min for a humongous road trip .. would like to watch a marathon video... PS.. making me nervous about getting a Y with all those cold issues.. glad I live in the south . Keep the videos coming...
Thanks for watching and reaching out! 🙏 One of these days I might consider doing a super longform video discussing the 45,000 miles I’ve driven around the United States and Canada over the past 15 months. If only I didn’t have a day job to tend to in the meantime. Haha. I do enjoy making these videos though and they keep me out of trouble on my travels. Congratulations on your Y! It’s a phenomenal car and I’m positive you’ll love it. My videos are pretty honest though. Given battery technology in the early 2020s, long-distance driving and super cold weather driving do come with a couple considerations. I think toward the middle and end of the decade most of those will be resolved through batteries with greater capacities and also a more expanded DC fast charger network nationwide. But in the meantime, if we’re going to drive in those scenarios, a little bit of planning will pretty much guarantee we can get wherever we want to go. And in reality, the only time you have to be conscious of range or efficiency is when you are driving more than 230 miles between charges in regular weather or if you’re planning on doing long-distance driving below freezing or especially below 0°F. In such extreme cold weather, range is up to 50% less than advertised and you will have to give yourself quite a bit of time to supercharge along your route. Because of that, I would advise people who live in super cold parts of the country for whom their EV would be their only vehicle, to perhaps wait a couple years until battery capacities and the charging network are a bit better. But for most people, especially those who drive less than 230 miles a day in regular weather, they will just charge at home and not have anything to worry about whatsoever. That probably covers a good 50% to 75% of the country. For them, a Tesla model Y is a phenomenal option that’s a lot of fun to drive and really doesn’t require any real thinking or planning 95% of the time. Best of luck on your exciting new adventure and reach out if you ever have any questions. 😃
Hey Daniel, me too I always learn a lot of electric driving through your great videos...which became much more professionel, as well as you are more relaxed and entertaining in front of the camera, congratulations 👍🏼👏🏼 I love to follow and see you, Mister handsome 😍...also walking on Columbus Ave. 😘 Take care
Yay Martina! 😍 I've definitely loosened up on camera and also have gotten better at editing out various things and patching them u with b-roll video and image overlays. Haha. "Unwanted um and uh... B-ROLL! Odd look on my face? Pretty overlay pic!" Haha. And you'll also be excited to earn that I've finally been able to monetize my videos so I'm pulling in a full $0.005 to $0.01 per view. Yep, BIG MONEY is finally coming my way! 🤣
Thanks for reaching out! I really do enjoy my Tesla, but it's true that Teslas aren't perfect. Tesla still needs to work on improving build quality and Service; and as you saw in the video, the current window design can be very problematic for people who park outdoors in snowy/icy weather. That kind of weather can be a problem for ALL cars, but a full-frame door around the windows is something winter-drivers should consider. OR, Tesla should consider putting in some sort of heating elements around the window frame to loosen them up properly. Hopefully they've got people working on that if they want to be taken seriously as a winter performance vehicle. The battery and drive train work very well in winter, but dealing with frozen windows and doors unthawing isn't going to be acceptable to most consumers in those environments.
Another great video. I really enjoy your content. Your presentation are very interesting, and enjoyable to watch. So all in all, do you still love your Tesla, any second thoughts about buying it? Thank you for your candidness.
Thanks for the very nice compliment! I enjoy making these videos and I try to make them more about story-telling and discussing practical things that owners will experience in our day to day lives. And it's funny that you ask about having second thoughts buying the car. The answer very generally is "No, not at all." Just yesterday afternoon I got in my car and as I was looking over my shoulder backing out of the garage I thought, "I really love this car!" BUT... as you've seen in my videos, like any car and car manufacturer, Model Y & Tesla are not flawless. My winter-experience views on Model Y are that -- in its current form -- it's not a super serious winter car in extremely cold parts of the continent *** for people who must leave their car parked outside, who can't stay connected to electricity/charging, and who need to do lots of long-distance travel***. For those people, they should wait another generation for battery capacities to increase and the DC fast charging network to continue being built out. But for anyone who drives less than 130 miles a day and has home charging and a garage, then MY is a great car in its current form. And bigger picture, the only real complaint I have against Tesla is that their build quality is still quite low -- which wouldn't bother me if they'd fix the more significant thing/s wrong with my car (squeaky left wheels) -- but they don't. Good news for everyone else though: I haven't spoken to a single other Y owner who has the same wheel-noise issues I have, I'm likely a one-off with that. But for the rest of it, I really love the car. I love the way it looks inside and out, I love the way it performs, I love its efficiency, I really like Autopilot (although people also love complaining about it online), so I don't regret buying my car at all. However, owning an EV in 2022 does come with some limitations that ICEs don't, namely: range and charging times, but I embraced that at the outset and so I've never viewed it as an issue. BUT... while I don't have regrets, I do look forward to stiff competition in the market for EVs over the next couple years so that when it's time for me to buy a new car, either Tesla will double down on build quality and service/repair, or that I'll have a much better field of quality EVs to choose from in 2025 than I did in 2020. And by then, the DC fast charging network should be nicely expanded for non-Teslas which will make shopping for non-Tesla's a much more viable option than it was in 2020 where MY was effective the *only* real EV that could deliver on everything I needed. I do really like Tesla though, I like that they have the best battery technology and most efficient motors by a long shot (although Lucid is coming up rapidly in this space), so I'd happily buy another Tesla *if* they can demonstrate a significant improvement to build quality and the service/support experience by then.
Thanks for taking the time to reply with such a thoughtful answer. As you might have guessed I have a Y on order, but occasionally 2nd guess the decision. I live in upstate NY, will have to park outdoors, but will have a Tesla charger installed soon for overnight charging. So, am still collecting input!!!! Thanks again. 👍
@@chuckcarson7196 I think you have made a very good decision on the car. As long as you get winter tires on it and you typically drive less than 130 miles (between charges) on the worst of winter days, you’ll be fine. and since you will be charging at home, you will usually have the car plugged in and on those really cold or snowy winter mornings, and just make sure you precondition the car for a good hour before you get out on the road. And like any vehicle, doors can freeze shut as I’m sure you have experienced so technically Teslas are no different in this regard. And in particular, for any vehicle with frameless windows, you would do well to remove any moisture from around them before you settle in for the evening on super cold nights. But when it’s snowing and you can’t do that, then you just need to precondition well in advance the next morning. Preconditioning for 15 minutes has been problematic for me. And as you saw in the video up to 45 also wasn’t enough in Iowa. But one hour as always done the trick. That was also the case when visiting my parents and temps were down to -10°F.
Severe weather probably rent a gas car if really need to get somewhere. We would rent a large SUV when traveling to the beach from Phoenix. The kids can trash it with their drinks and food. I do not need a full time huge gas suv to go to work. I enjoy my teslas with solar charging.
Definitely! I do enjoy having my godkids in the back of my car but I think I have them terrified to even look at the white seats wrong. Haha... A car rental in that scenario is a good idea. Also, it's not a bad idea for long distance winter travel which does affect EVs more intensely than ICEs primarily because battery capacities still don't match their gas tank equivalents. I'm looking forward to vehicles like the Y having between 110-140kWh which would basically make them totally competitive with ICEs, especially with more and more higher speed Superchargers along highways and in smaller towns.
Hey! Thanks for reaching out! Once the pandemic wound down and my remote working adventures came to an end, I returned to California and focused on my day job since it pays much better than UA-cam advertising revenue. Haha... BUT... my high voltage battery did die last month so I'll likely make a video about that experience over the next month or two. Thanks for watching!
@@goingelectric7826 Good to hear everything is alright! Here in Sweden many companies and public services kept part of the remote working regime as the pandemic showed an increase in productivity and the benefit of moving over to “activity based workplace”, aka no personal rooms and such. I for instance work from home three days a week and on site two days. My dog loves it! 😁
There are definitely some “considerations” with EVs during harsh winter weather. 😳 In terms of Tesla, replacing those frameless windows would be helpful, and then in general for EVs, life would be much better with 100-125kWh batteries. Sedans with 65-80kWh batteries are good in mild/cool climates, but cold weather regions are simply going to need more capacity in order to go mainstream during winter. Thanks for watching and best of luck!! ⛄️🔋🚘
Great video sir. I appreciate the miles to km conversion as I am up in Ontario. Our winters can be harsh which is stopping me from buying the model y but what are your thoughts on parking in a garage? will this prevent my main concerns: battery drainage while parked and unplugged? Also, why was it showing you 471km full battery when Tesla advertised 531km? is this because you did not charge to 100%?
Hello hello. Thanks for reaching out with the very kind feedback! Here’s my super long response. Haha 😃 I used to live in Europe, the Middle East and Asia for years, and 40% of my viewers are from outside the United States so I’m always happy to do both numbers in miles and kilometers / Fahrenheit and Celsius. My hope is that by providing these basic numbers I can help viewers spend more time contemplating more valuable considerations in their minds when they decide whether or not going electric is right for them in 2022+. For many people, the technology is now at the right place where they can switch over. But for other people, they should wait a couple years for battery capacities to increase, and especially to accommodate range loss during super cold weather. At the end of the day, even for people who live in super cold climates, if they are driving less than 150mi / 240km a day, and if they charge at home, then going electric can be a great choice for them right now. But people should be aware if they do longer distance travel especially in super cold weather, that will have some charging implications that they currently do not need to deal with when driving gasoline powered vehicles. As mentioned, hopefully those issues will become smaller and smaller year on year as batteries improve and chargers become more prevalent. RE: parking in a garage & very cold weather This is an interesting topic which I will address from three separate angles: 1) doors and windows freezing. 2) slower charging 3) battery drain when not plugged in Regarding the doors and windows freezing: Parking in a garage should eliminate all of that. Presumably you have gone through enough super cold winters to know that virtually any car parked outside will have its doors frozen shut with enough snow or ice on it. I don’t fault Tesla for their doors freezing shut. That is common. But I do question the frameless door design which leads to some problematic freezing along the window and the door frame which can lead to the window getting damaged if the door is opened or closed while the window is frozen in the upright position. For people who park inside, this probably should not be a problem. But for people who park outside, it makes any car with a frameless door design problematic in very snowy or icy regions of the continent. Including the Model Y. Regarding slower charging: This is actually something that I wasn’t expecting but I have learned quite a bit about driving my car around super cold environments and is more impactful the slower your charging option (120V vs 240V vs Supercharger). It turns out that electricity comes in many different speeds, 120V offering the slowest, then home chargers around 240V, and then the much faster speeds that you see at Superchargers and DC fast chargers. Consumers experience this based on kiloWatts (kW) and that’s how fast we know the charge will be. Also, kiloWatts come from multiplying volts and amps together so that’s how you can know what the exact kW number will be. And then finally, the exact amount of energy that your battery can hold is rated in kiloWatt hours (kWh). I have observed that the colder the weather, two things appear to occur: 1) Supercharger equipment requires more energy to stay warm and therefore provides less energy to the vehicle resulting in longer charging times ranging from not very significant to certainly noticeable. 2) The ideal battery temperature for an electric vehicle to receive a DC fast charge is somewhere around 115°F / 46°C. And that may also be the temperature required for home charging on 120V and also 240V but I would have to get that confirmed (the temperature may be lower for slower electricity). In any case, because the battery must be brought up to optimal temperature in order to minimize or prevent battery degradation over the long term, a fair amount of energy is consumed heating the battery up. Because of that: 2.1) if you are plugged in to electricity and charging in super cold weather, a portion of that electricity is not going to charge the battery but rather it is being used to keep the battery warm for the charge. Because of that, your de facto charge rate declines and the duration of the charge increases - sometimes minimally and other times significantly. 2.2) if you are driving down the highway and you have told your car that you will be stopping at the next Supercharger, the car will begin to precondition the battery and bring it up to the optimal temperature. Because that is rather energy intensive, you notice that as a reduction in efficiency during the drive which consumes higher levels of energy from the battery which results in less range. That can vary from minor to significant. 2.3) when charging at home on regular 120V I have observed that it takes at least 1 kiloWatt of energy just to keep the battery warm enough to charge. So if you’re on a NEMA 5-15 plug at 1kW the car just tells you it can’t charge because there’s no excess energy to go into the battery. If you’re on a NEMA 5-20 at 1.7kW then you can effectively charge at 700W which lakes a long long time. However, if you have a Level 2 240V charger ranging from 5kW up to 12kW, then this becomes much less of an issue because you still have a significant amount of energy available to charge the battery even if some of it is being diverted to keep the battery warm. And regarding the final topic: battery drain while the car is not plugged in. This is perhaps most interesting of all. While it takes at least one kiloWatt of energy to keep the battery warm enough ***to sustain a charge***, in super cold conditions when the car is unplugged and left alone, it appears that the battery goes into a deep sleep and perhaps even a deep freeze, and the battery loses very little energy each day. In typical day-to-day operation in mild/warm weather, I observe my battery decline around 1% per day. When I had left my car at airport parking for three weeks and turned off all functions in the car (Sentry, cabin protection / interior conditioning, etc.) and did not check my app and wake the car from sleep, I got the battery drain down to 0.25%/day which was phenomenal. In contrast: leaving on Sentry and cabin temperature protection can chew through 5-8% of the battery per day. When I was visiting my parents in the Midwest recently in weather around -10°F / -23°C, and I just left the car sitting there in a deep freeze in the driveway outside for many days, the battery declined less than 1% per day. Because of that, I no longer view battery drain as a practical problem in almost any situation whatsoever as long as I turn off Sentry & cabin protection/pre-conditioning, and don’t check the phone app frequently and turn on the car’s systems remotely for updates. Therefore, with a new Model Y having a usable battery capacity of 75kWh, theoretically the car battery could maintain charge for up to 100 days if charged up to 100% and declining just 1%/day, or perhaps 50 days at the bare minimum if I was being cautious and calculating at 2%/day. And lastly, regarding the discrepancy between 100% being 471km and not 531km as advertised: Apparently there are two methods a car manufacturer can use with the American environmental protection agency to determine the efficiency/range numbers for a specific car. It appears the Tesla has chosen to use the method which seems to be based on only driving 55mph/85kph in mild weather on flat land with no crosswinds, versus other manufactures that take into count more real world situations like higher speeds on highways and interstates which are simply more energy intensive and less efficient. Because of that, the typical Tesla driver who gets anywhere near a highway or interstate will more likely see real world range numbers be 30% less than advertised. But, if you only ever drive around the suburbs, or are in slower traffic on highways because of commuting, or are driving at slower speeds around cities, you may in fact hit the advertised range numbers *in perfect weather on flat land*. In my life, I virtually never achieve those Tesla numbers because I do so much interstate travel. This is also the case for gasoline powered vehicles that are much less efficient the faster you drive but we don’t really see it as a problem or even really care because there are gas stations everywhere and gas tanks hold so much energy. Again, once battery capacities increase and chargers are built out, this will become less and less of a problem each year going forward. But, given the somewhat restrained battery capacities in the year 2022, this becomes a very practical problem for long-distance travel especially in super cold weather where you’re going to experience an additional 20% hit on your range. And because of that, your actual observed range may be as low on super cold days as 50% below advertised. This can be quite a shocking lesson for people to learn who do long-distance travel in super cold whether and it is probably a determining factor between whether or not that person should go electric in 2022 or just wait a couple more years. So long story short: both the Tesla website advertised range number AND the number shown on my display are wrong because 1) I usually drive on highways which is 20-30% less efficient than advertised, and 2) super cold weather (highway) driving can be up to 50% less efficient than advertised. So those are all of my experiences and views on these topics. Let me know if you have any other questions! 😊
Thanks for reaching out! Yep, I think it’s fair to say that battery electric vehicles are rapidly developing and can fulfill the needs of many many consumers. But at the same time, they also cannot meet the needs of many other consumers. For those who need to do long distance travel in cold weather with short refueling times, battery electric technology right now is really not the best solution for them. Instead, an efficient hybrid ICE is still the best choice. The great news about the 2020s is that car consumers will have a good selection of propulsion and energy storage alternatives for the first time in nearly 100 years. ICEs will certainly remain a part of that selection for quite some time to come.
Congratulations on the order. You’ll love your car! For winter, my feeling is you should do what you have typically done with any other ICE car. I have family in Wisconsin and Illinois and spend a fair amount of time out there during winter time. I found that my 20 inch all weather tires didn’t perform well at all on ice. True, few tires do, but my understanding with winter tires is that they can grip better with snow in the deeper tread - or something along those lines. 😃 No doubt though, winter tires will have a reduced effect on efficiency so keep that in mind. The dead of winter can be quite intense on all cars, and especially electric vehicles which carry so little energy in their batteries relative to gasoline tanks. But if you’re not doing constant long-distance travel during wintertime, it’s not a problem at all.
Hello hello. All has been good. I have taken a break from making videos now that I have wrapped up my 50,000 miles of driving around the United States and Canada and settled back into living in one place for an extended period of time and I’ve started focusing again on my career which pays quite a bit better than UA-cam. 😂 How have you been??
@@goingelectric7826 That’s so funny, I thought you were just gonna keep us entertained forever with interesting tesla hacks and amazing road-trips lol I guess we all have to go back to reality lol. I am in Banff and I took my M3SR+ all the way from Orange County California. 2k miles down,2k more to go, to get back home. So far so good! The car has been amazing. No issues. So far I’m avg 240wh/mi with two toddlers and the wife in the car, plus luggage for 2 weeks. Not too bad efficiency! Also, I saw your video on how to trek the Canadian Rockies and it def made me feel better about doing the trip in my M3. The little J1772 you find here and there is like finding folded up money in dirty laundry haha. Well, anyway, I hope we see a video from u soon, maybe a grocery run? Lol
@@kingsrule2567 Best of luck on your trip and enjoy that new Supercharger up in Jasper if you make it that far. Awesome that you’re getting such good efficiency. 3s do that. Jealous! Currently I’m at an average of 292Wh/mi over the past 52,000mi on my 20” tires. Great to hear from you and enjoy your drive home!
Hello, hello! After I finished my 18-month drive around the United States working remotely, I finally got back into California and settled down just a bit to focus on my career, which pays my bills much better than UA-cam videos. Haha… 😃 I really enjoyed making these videos, and my godson keeps telling me I should make more, but for the time being my daytime career calls. Thanks for watching and I appreciate your support! 🙏❤️🔋🚙
Idk about you but i get 600 to a tank maybe 550 temperatures permitting doin65 you can keep your extra delay time. You forgot to add the amount of time you add on. That should only take 13 hrs not stopping maybe once to sleep. Your chsrge times bank on an additional 8-10 hrs to the trip permiting your also dont hit traffic
Yeah but who cares? EVs aren’t yet made to perfectly meet every single user’s needs. The technology just isn’t there yet and likely won’t be till the 2030s or 2040s, and in some cases the 2050s. If an EV doesn’t meet your needs in the year 2022, do NOT but one. I do like electric vehicle technology, but I’m reasonable enough to admit that they’re not for everybody in the year 2022. But if the technology does meet a consumer’s needs, then EVs are something those consumers should consider. In my case, I used to live in Saudi Arabia and because of that experience I vowed that I would do whatever I could to prevent my own personal income and wealth being shipped abroad to foreign energy suppliers. I now live a life where electric vehicles allow me the opportunity to keep my hard earned money in the United States with American car companies producing American vehicles built by American workers with American technology powered by American energy. Next up: relocating lithium supply chains out of China into the United States and our democratic allies. This process is just beginning. This technology works for me and I’m happy about it. But I understand some people are happy to keep America slaves to foreign energy suppliers; or more likely - the technology just isn’t there to meet their needs yet. Whatever your case, get the technology that works best for you.
Hey! Thanks for watching and reaching out. I've really enjoyed my Y and have certainly driven it hard. Good news over the past year since I made this video: winter performance in 2022-2023 was MUCH better than Winter 2021-2022. Very likely due to over-the-air updates over the past year to power management, the heater, traction control, etc. Best of luck if you go with a Y. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions!
Yes, that was definitely a dramatic moment! In the case of Model Y it seemed like a couple things were going on: 1) the software that controls the doors (rightly) sounded alerts that the door was open while in motion but 2) wasn’t letting me latch it closed while in motion (perhaps still partially frozen), and then 3) was registering incorrectly when I came to a stop. Because of that, for people who only have outdoor parking without charging hookups and can’t precondition the car before departure AND live in frigid/wintry conditions might consider buying a different car. However, I was up in lots of snow in the Sierra Nevada parked outside this winter while able to plug in and precondition and I didn’t have any of these problems. Also, Tesla has added remote-door opening to the phone app so even if the handles are frozen shut you can now get it. Lastly, as mentioned in the video, a software update during the journey fixed the heater issue so that was good… and this winter I felt like my Y was great up in the snow. Better living through software updates and preconditioning! Haha… Thanks for watching! 🙏
@@goingelectric7826 I’m picking up a new S Series next week. I already have charge anxiety following the Ford and GM deal. I wonder how that will play out!
@@tonyglen33 Congrats on the S. Very nice!! I suppose the convenient news is that they won’t be entering into Supercharger en masse until 2024, and even then there’s only a few CCS plugs on Superchargers that they can use, and everyone else will need to get an adapter which will take some time. Then in 2025 more vehicles will have native chargers built in the but the numbers will still be on the lower side compared to the sheer number of Teslas… so, I think we’ll be fine especially since Tesla continues to build more and more Superchargers everywhere. As demand goes up on this side of the business, I can imagine Supercharger will continue to build more and more. Lastly, competing DC energy providers can always adapt NACS nativity on their chargers will will provide additional competition to Supercharger so a not-insignificant chunk of Tesla drivers may actually switch over to non-Superchargers if they’re more convenient or cheaper. Good luck to us all!
@@goingelectric7826 Thanks for the info! I live on the Ottawa river which gets extremely cold but I've got a nice heated garage so I'm super excited! I look forward to more of your content. I know it's not easy :)
Hello hello! Thanks for reaching out! 😃 As it turns out, upon returning to California last February after driving 50,000 miles back-and-forth around the United States and Canada, I needed to focus on my daytime career instead of partying around the continent making videos on UA-cam (which I truly loved). Humorously, I made about $700 total in those 15 months making UA-cam videos. I’m hoping my annual performance review and compensation conversation with my employer next month goes a little better than that. 😂 Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed my videos! 🙏
Great video, well done! Although I think you’ve been a bit generous with the ICE vehicles capable range under the same conditions. To bad the trip wasn’t done side by side with the Porsche or Mazda. I think your savings were actually higher than stated. Living in Canada, ICE vehicles tend to take a 15% to 30% hit in winter range. Also, EPA Max highway economy estimates tests are usually done at an average speed of between 48mph (~80km/hr) and 60mph (~100km/hr) on a 10 mile flat stretch. You were doing 70~80mph at times, with elevations and windy conditions, just saying 😉.
Thanks for reaching out. I did consider many of those issues but unfortunately I wasn’t able to test them so I figured I’d err on the side of caution in part to not appear (or be) exceedingly biased. But no doubt, winter weather affects ICEs along with climbing up the continental divide. And certainly, EPA numbers can be questionable. But the main take-aways are still pretty solid: while energy cost savings may not be significant on this exact route compared to these vehicles, the environmental benefits are extremely beneficial and the operational cost savings are substantial. Looking forward to experiencing and learning more. 😃
As Musk starts to add more megaPacks and solar to superchargers maybe able to control costs of charging. I charge at home with solar/powerwall. Save $600/month on gas and home electricity in Hawaii. No oil filters in land fills.
Very true! At-home charging is the gold standard for saving money with our EVs. And in most cases our EVs never cost more than gasoline even when Supercharging. In some high cost markets it might come close, but when you take extremely lower maintenance costs into account, and the recent price-parity with ICEs because of Tesla's MSRP reductions, Model Y is virtually always less expensive now than a similar ICE. I bet it must be nice having solar and a power wall. JEALOUS!!!! I'm at $0.25/kWh in my apartment rental charging at 120V/12A here in the Bay Area and then a $0.10/kWh eco charge for low carbon juice (which is sometimes offset by other credits). So much price variation, eh. Thanks for watching and reaching out!
-9 certainly froze my West Coast taters off... but it's definitely shorts weather for Midwesterners especially if -9 follows -20 or -30. 🤪 Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed the video. 🙏
I think that’s a fair thing to do. Many people in parts of the continent with intense winter weather and who drive a lot in it, it would be best to wait until: 1) Tesla gets rid of the frameless window design, and 2) battery capacities increase a good 30-50%. Point 1 may never happen but Point 2 will likely hit the market within 3-5 years. Good luck with winter!
Hello hello, while many of the roads were generally plowed, they were still quite icy as evidenced by the many cars spun out and crashed all around (my car excluded). As for all season tires: I was on a 5000 mile drive from San Francisco > Texas > Illinois > California. Purchasing, transporting and switching to winter tires for the brief time I was in the Midwest wasn’t practical or economically advisable. However, a point of this video is if one lives where there is frequent snow or ice, winter tires are a must. Signed, Soooo Not Totally Stupid. 😘
@@goingelectric7826 I don't think I would dare to drive on anything but wintertires. I do have a question. I'm about a week away from ordering a Model Y. Do you feel the car to be noisy?
@@Pomaco4U Hello. I have a September 2020 build and that version only came with single pane glass windows. The ones built the following month started coming with double pane glass windows and apparently that really reduced noise in the cabin. Interestingly, I don’t particularly think the interior is super quiet. You’re definitely not going to get the soundproofing from this car that you would from a $90K+ luxury car, but after installing some simple seals around my doors and getting a windshield manufacturing mount defect fixed, I feel like the interior of my car is fine. I’ve also had a couple passengers come in and say it’s quieter than their own cars so I’d say it’s probably in the middle compared to similar vehicles. Not loud. Not super quiet. But the best way to find out is for you to test drive a brand new one and see how the noise reduction is now in 2022 compared to 2020. Good luck!
@@goingelectric7826 hi, yes I tried a modell Y at my local "dealer", I think they said that it didn't have the laminated roof. I just hope that my version won't be too noisy as I drive for long hours on rurol roads at speeds around 65-70mph, or 110 km/h as us in the sensible part of the world measures speed😉😁. Anyways, Tesla is today what Porsche and Ferrari used to be, middleclass dream cars.
I really REALLY appreciate your videos and channel. As someone who owns the same beautiful blue Model Y(Owned for 4 months now) these videos give real life examples of rough drives on the car. Gives me much more confidence in my car especially since I'll be doing a bunch of driving this year. Thank you so much for sharing!
Thanks for watching! I always like sharing my experiences with viewers. In 2022, battery capacities are still small enough that cold weather & snow driving do impact how far we can drive pretty significantly. But with a little extra time and planning, we can get to where we need to go. Now, if only Tesla would either get rid of those frameless windows or put heating elements around 'em!
Need more videos from you
Thanks for your super kind feedback! Once the pandemic started winding down last year I returned to California and focused on my in-office career so that has taken up all my time and energy. (Also more lucrative than UA-cam advertising! Haha…) But I do have another story with my car that has recently arisen that I know people will be interested in, so I’m starting to formulate the next video in my head already. Now let’s just see if I can juggle that with my regular day-to-day obligations & excitements. Haha. Thanks for watching and I hope you’re having a great day!
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Your content is great and missed! Happy Holidays!
Thanks for the super kind words! 🙏 I miss making videos but I eventually made my way back home in California and focused again on my day job. It was a total of 48,000 miles all around the US & Canada over 16 months and it was a total adventure. Every once in a while on my way home from work I feel like turning east and driving across the country again. 🤣
@@goingelectric7826 would you do this trip again in the same or different car like a hybrid Toyota that has window frames?
@@MechayaAlta Hey! Sorry for the delayed response. I think my answer is: I would happily do the trip again if there weren't a blizzard outside. ;) If I absolutely had to do it in a blizzard (and I wouldn't want to!), I'd likely look for a hotel that had a Level 2 J1772 240V charger that I could plug into in order to precondition the car for an hour taking electricity from the grid rather than relying on the battery itself. As for a different vehicle with windows that didn't freeze... sure, that would be better... but... technically those cars' doors can freeze shut (not just the window), and the crummy weather conditions can also make driving conditions for them pretty nasty... so.... sure, doing the trip in a hybrid Toyota with better window frames would likely be better... but only for that very specific issue relating to the window (and also not needing to precondition so much connected to electricity). I hope that helps and that you're enjoying winter!
Love the video. thanks for taking us along on your cold-weather road trip in your Tesla Model Y! It's fascinating to see how the car performs in different weather conditions. From the blizzard in Iowa City to dealing with frozen doors and windows, it definitely seems like a challenging journey. It's impressive to see how you prepared your car by pre-conditioning the battery and interior, although it's unfortunate that the doors and windows still froze. The struggle of crawling over the seats and dealing with alarms must have been quite an adventure! Stay safe and enjoy the rest of your trip!
Thanks for reaching out! That journey was in early 2022 and the good news is that Tesla has released some nice updates since then. I spent time up in an immense amount of snow this winter in the Sierra Nevada Mountains and the car was night-and-day better. I also had the ability to precondition the vehicle while plugged into a 240V charger (and stuck in a monster blizzard) and had none of the problems with frozen windows/doors that I had in 2022. Tesla has also released an update where you can pop the doors open remotely with the phone app even if the door handles are frozen, so Winter 2023 was much better than 2022. 😃 If I lived somewhere with harsh winters and didn’t have access to at-home charging, I’d probably stick with a hybrid ICE until battery capacities double and charging times are reduced in half just to accommodate the extra energy consumption in winter for preconditioning/etc., but this year was much much better than last year and that made me very happy. If you have a garage and/or at-home charging, Model Y in 2023+ is now a very reasonable option. Thanks for watching!
Stunning photos! Congratulations Daniel.
Thank you very much Daniel. I have watched several of your videos recently and learned so much about how to operate and manage a Tesla. I’m expecting to take delivery of my Model Y LR in Feb-Mar this year and feel much more prepared for this now. I also appreciate the amazing scenery in your cross country expeditions. Thanks again!
Hi Paul, thank you for your very kind feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the videos and were able to learn from them. I like making videos that have some fun little entertainment bits to 'em but also a lot of education and practical knowledge. The Model Y is a fun car, super high tech, and it does change the way we relate to cars just a bit. And given the current state of battery technology and the national charging network/s in 2022, we really can go virtually anywhere we did with gasoline powered cars, just with a little extra time and planning especially if that's into the middle of nowhere. Haha. Looking forward to the DC fast charging network continuing to be built out and becoming so common that powering our EVs will be as easy as it is/was with ICEs. Hopefully that'll happen within a couple years. Best of luck with your MYLR and reach out if you ever have any questions!
Nice video, Daniel! Thanks for taking the time to make it. Once covid is better, my wife and i want to do some road tripping. Thanks for the inspiration! Cheers!
Thanks for your kind feedback. I'm really enjoying road tripping across the US in my Model Y. Sure, it takes a bit more time because of charging, and a bit more planning if I want to head out into the middle of nowhere, but I've been really happy with it. I've covered 45,000 miles over the past 15 months so I've definitely learned a thing or two along the way. The main thing being that winter tires matter! Haha... Best of luck with your future road trips and reach out if you have any questions.
Just finished binge watching your videos. It is so refreshing to have someone who talks about real world experiences with their Tesla. My wife and I have our Model Y LR on ordered, and can't wait to start driving this fun car. Keep up the amazing content as your videos provide so much real fun information that will be helpful for any EV adapters! Safe travels!
Thanks for reaching out and sharing your very kind feedback! 🙏 I’ve had a lot of fun making these videos and also learning so much while jumping into my new electric lifestyle. When I first started making my videos, I realized that there was an opportunity to provide this type of content that maybe wouldn’t be super polished or popular, but would provide viewers with real world experiences - and helpful details - that just weren’t really being produced anywhere else. Since I already have a good day job, I didn’t need to rely on likes, subscribes or advertising to generate income. That gave me a lot of freedom to talk about whatever I wanted in whatever way I wanted. I think the videos are a bit silly and fun, and I’m glad I’ve been able to help you as we all jump into our electric future! Do reach out if you ever have any questions. I’m a real person who loves to help people figure out this crazy new and awesome technology. 😊⚡️🔋🚘
Great video. I appreciate your thorough analysis and realistic look at winter.
Thanks for the kind feedback. I think it’s better for people to know exactly what they’re getting into when they buy electric vehicles so there are no surprises or disappointments. Almost all aspects of driving an electric vehicle are totally manageable and will continue to decline as battery capacities and the charging networks gets built out over the upcoming years. But in 2022 there are still some significant considerations especially in winter weather. With a little bit of extra planning, we can basically go wherever we want. Even in winter.
Thanks for your interesting video. Great trip you made. Must say you are a brave man - doing this winter trip on none-winter tyre. Impressed!
Waiting for my Model Y that shall arrive next month ...... I hope
Thanks for reaching out! Humorously, I actually thought I was doing myself a favor trying to get on the road before the blizzard hit thinking it would be as small as forecasts had predicted and then I'd just get on the roads as they were cleared overnight. That didn't happen. Haha. I had driven on some icy roads up in Canada and the Midwest over the previous months and really wanted to outpace the storm because of my all-season times... but you know what they say about the best made plans. ;) Congrats on your Model Y. It's a super fun car - especially when you're rolling on the right tires for the season. Haha. Good luck and reach out if you have any questions about the car!
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Normally we have some real winter roads here in Sweden - not so much here in Stockolm where I live but I do a lot of travling. Try to travel out in the nature as often I can. I am a amateur landscape photographer :-) Have a lot of travel plans with my new VE - my first Ve. Have not yet got any delivery date - hope I will get in february. I feel like a young kid before christmas:-) Its crazy. Think I have watchet all vidoes on youtube :-)
I have read al lot of problems with the windscreen wiper - what do you think about them. And there are also a lot of screeams about the new layout.
I have ordered a white and with black inside.
Sorry for my bad english
Looking forward for videos from you
Take care
/ Choke
@@chokenygren5426 Your English is great. I used to be an English teacher in Japan and Saudi Arabia for years so I know good and bad English when I hear it. :) And congrats on your EV! It’s a very exciting purchase which comes with some new ways of doing things, but you get used to them quite quickly. Regarding the windshield wipers: I haven’t had any unusual issues with them. I do have to clean them like any other wiper but they work fine. I have heard that it can be helpful to put them in service mode during snowstorms so that they are less likely to be blocked/frozen by snow, but I have not tried that myself. You might try to do some research online about it. As for the new screen/user interface: I generally like it and only have a couple of minor complaints. I don’t think most new buyers will care about it because they will not have ever known the old user interface. My primary complaint is that Tesla needs to bring a couple key functions to the surface for single touch access. And I think the font could be significantly larger. These are things that could easily be updated with future software releases.
Great Video. Just bought a Model Y and wanted to see how other MY's were holding up to Windy Winter Road Trips
Thanks for reaching out! I tell ya, driving up the continental divide in blizzards and harsh frozen winds can be a challenge to ICEs and EVs alike. Our EVs do feel it more intensely in the early 2020s tho because the energy we carry onboard only works out to around 2.2 gallons of gasoline... so any reductions in motor efficiency do ding range more impactfully than an ICE which can also be fueled up more easily than an EV. BUT... it's still possible to drive our EVs such long distances in such conditions... if you do a little planning and give yourself some extra time. That said, day to day operation in harsh winter weather in all my time in the Midwest over the last couple years has been fine. As long as your daily range is less than 150-200 miles, you'll just get in the car and go. But as you saw: I'm not a big fan of Tesla's windowless frame design choice since I'm someone who parks outside and gets frozen shut frequently. 😭 For people who park in a covered/garage spot and have 240V charging access, winter driving is super easy. Best of luck with your Y and enjoy those strong headwinds!
Hi Daniel ! Appreciate watching this video, as I await for my Model Y in the next few weeks. New England winters often bring challenges with snow and cold. However, while around home very few people drive in active storms anyhow. I had planned to go full EV and trade in my Honda CRV. Your making me rethink that decision as I often travel to Vt and NH to ski. Your cold weather follies and 100 m range was eye opening !
Hey! Thanks for watching and reaching out! Definitely, extreme winter weather spanks all cars but you do feel it in a unique way in a full EV simply due to the smaller amount of energy in batteries in 2002 compared to what you have in a gas tank.
BUT, the issue is rather nuanced. When people ask me whether they should go electric, I typically ask them the following questions:
1) do/will you have 240V charging options at home and your common destinations,
2) how many miles will you typically be driving between those common destinations on a regular basis, and
3) how bad is winter where you are and how much driving will you be doing those longer routes in harsh winter weather?
What I really like about the video I made is that it shows REAL WORLD experiences for someone like myself in an EV without 240V charging options at my destinations. Because of the importance of pre-conditioning your battery in winter WHILE STILL PLUGGED IN, you can see how helpful 240V home/business/hotel chargers are for EV owners in cold climates so you can get that battery warm and maximize range *after* you disconnect. Preconditioning that battery from the energy in the battery alone can reduce range quite a bit.
Therefore, Question 1: if you have 240V charging options at your home/destinations, you can switch over to an EV and and not even winter weather will get in your way.
Regarding Questions 2 & 3: a Model Y has a usable battery capacity of 75kWh (some swear it's 78kWh). After 55,000 miles and two years with much of my driving being at highway speeds, my average efficiency is 291Wh/mi or 3.4mi/kWh. Multiplying that by the battery capacity, a new Model Y has a REAL WORLD good weather range of 257mi. However, if you drive somewhat slower than me then it could be as high as 270-280 miles, and if you usually stayed under 50mph then you'd actually be up in Tesla's advertised 330mi range.
If we are comparing against my REAL WORLD range and not the fictitious EPA-Tesla range numbers claimed on their website of 330mi, harsh winter weather can reduce efficiency/range by 25% (down to 192mi); or if you're comparing it to the EPA numbers, you're looking at -41% (i.e. 192 miles).
And since most drivers only ever do a 90% depletion cycle rather than 100% down to 0%, you can reduce 192 miles by 10% which would bring you down to a practical worst-weather scenario of 173 miles between charges on the most rotten of days.
Therefore: if you are regularly driving more than 173 miles in the worst of New England weather and don't want to stop for a Supercharge AND don't have access to a 240V charger (or Supercharger) at your destination, then I'd say you should stick with an efficient hybrid ICE until battery technology develops later this decade and into the 2030s to meet the needs you have.
BUT... if you aren't driving more than 173 miles on those worst of winter days AND you do have charging options at your departure/arrival locations, then you'll be totally fine and you can go electric starting now.
Interestingly, a number of people have actually reached out to me about this video expressing their concerns. I'm actually happy about that because the internet seems to be either all roses and sunshine about EVs or pure doom and gloom against them whereas my videos show both the good, the bad, and everything in the middle.
But I will say: if you're planning on driving west across the United States in blizzards and up the continental divide, prepare to charge frequently!
Let me know if you have any questions, especially with actual routes you might go on in winter weather and I can have you take a look at the Tesla range calculator on their website AND THEN show you what real world efficiency and range would be like in your case in rotten winter weather.
Welcome to the world of electric vehicles in the early 2020s. With a little bit of information and planning (which the car does most of for you), you'll easily be able to make the switch!
Hi Daniel, thank you so very much for such a detailed and thoughtful response to my EV concerns. I think I’m stressing over the 10% and not focusing on the 90%. I generally have plenty of options around home ( including my Tesla Wall Connector on a 60 amp circuit I had installed). I do need to remember your preconditioning while plugged in comment. New England ski trips will need to be better planned as charging is limited but available with a bit of inconvenience. We are planning a westerly road trip during the winter but primarily will stay on major highways where charging options should be more than adequate.
Life is too short to wait so we are going All In.
As another viewer commented, I wish I had your patience and outlook. A work in process 🤞
Excellent Excellent video, very helpful and informative. Keep them coming. I like your content.
Thanks for reaching out and sharing such nice feedback! Making these videos keeps me out of trouble while traveling around the US so it's probably good that I make 'em. Haha.
Also, since the EV mass market is so crazy new, I like sharing my day to day experiences in these videos so people can see what it's *really* like to drive an EV, and a Model Y in particular, which most tech/car enthusiast videos don't spend too much time going in depth with.
Thanks again for your really kind words, and I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
Hi, I'm looking for a good electric car. Live in Norway and need a car that is good for winter driving. I have looked at the Tesla Model Y, Polestar 2 and Hyundai Ioniq 5. Is the Tesla Model Y a good car and does it generally have good quality. Thanks👍
Hi! The only answer I can give is: Tesla build quality varies significantly for cars coming out of the Fremont, California factory. Some people I've spoken with have had no problems with their vehicles whereas other people have had many. I'm not sure what the situation is for Teslas coming out of China, Germany or even Austin, Texas. Sorry for not being able to be more specific. 😭
Really miss your regular posting videos. I hope it is because you are planning an amazing trip and planning logistics!
Great to hear from you! And thank you so much for your super kind words. 😃 After driving around the United States for 50,000 miles I finally made it back home and have been focused on career and settling back in to my old/new routine. Once the pandemic officially wrapped up, hotel prices started to skyrocket and I figured it was time for me to settle down and pay real rent again and save myself some money. Haha
Please post more videos!
Hey! Thanks for your super nice comment! 🙏 I actually got back to California after my travels around the US and needed to focus on my daytime career again although I really enjoyed making videos. It turns out UA-cam doesn’t pay very much! Haha. Thanks for watching and I’m glad you enjoyed the videos! 😃
What have you gone! You ok? It’s almost been a year since you’ve posted
Hey, great to hear from you! After I got back to California last winter my day-job really ramped up like crazy (in a good way) and I decided to focus on hitting the gas on that. I spent a good 18 months driving around the US & Canada during the pandemic but as shutdowns and the rest of it came to an end I figured it was time to start getting back to regular life which unfortunately meant less time for making videos which I loved. 😭 My godson really wants me to make a 2-year 58,000 mile review video this winter/spring so I'll see if I can pull that off. I hope all is well with you, and thanks again for watching! 😃
Awesome video. Ty for posting
Thanks for the very nice comment. It was a fun video to make, and a crazy interesting journey! 😃❄️
Your kind of content is amazing! …. But I’m waiting for nearly one year for another video. What’s the reason?
Hey! Thanks for reaching out and sharing those very kind words! 🙏 As it turns out, I wrapped up my 2-year pandemic EV travels in 2022 and settled back into my post-pandemic life and focused on my day job which pays much more than UA-cam videos. Haha. ($550 from UA-cam. Woo hoo!!!) I really enjoyed the adventure around the US & Canada and I miss making videos. Humorously tho, my godson thinks I should make a 2-year 60,000 mile review video so I'll just have to think about that. Thanks again for watching and reaching out. I hope all is well in your part of the world! :)
I’d always hit the not interested option on road trip videos but seeing a Model Y road trip I’m all in!
There are definitely adventures to be had in electric travel!
I miss your videos. I hope your are doing well and enjoying your travels in your Model Y.
Thank you for your very kind message! :) I actually returned to California after my travels around the US and Canada, settled down and decided to focus on my day job which pays much better than UA-cam. Haha. But I really loved making these videos and chatting with everyone on UA-cam along the way. Every so often I think I should make another video but then another project comes up at work! 😭 Thanks again for watching and for being so nice. It’s people like you who make the world such a nice place to be in. 😃
@@goingelectric7826 You are very welcome and also thank you for your kind message as well.
I've watched every single one of your videos. I found them to be informative and entertaining. I actually had my wife watch a couple of your videos.
I also have a 2020 blue Model that I took delivery in early April 2020. The only difference to yours is that I have black seats.
I am glad you are doing well and who knows maybe your UA-cam followers will get a nice Christmas gift in the form of a new video from you. 😉
Take care and have a great weekend.
Wow, this is sobering. Nice work.
Thanks for the feedback. It definitely was eye-opening for me during that drive. I do love my Model Y, but I now fully understand the challenges of Midwestern & Canadian winters both on electric vehicles and also various traditional car/window design choices by manufacturers. The frameless window choice by Tesla is a luxury vehicle decision for cars that most likely are parked in garages or only driven in states with warmer climates year-round. That was certainly not the case for me in this video, and many other mass-market car owners as well. If Tesla wants to be taken seriously as a winter vehicle, it simply will need to change its window designs to minimize freezing. Or install window frame heaters. As for efficiency and range, this is basically an issue of physics and battery management. When I hear Tesla make statements that they could build an electric car with 400 or 500 miles but don’t need to because it’s too much battery, I feel like they are somewhat blinded by their location in California and Texas. That is a true statement for places that don’t experience extreme cold, but it is not a true statement for places which may experience 400 miles of range in warm weather but only 200 miles of range during winter. It turns out people in those places need cars that can drive 250 to 400 miles whether or not it’s warm or cold outside, and charging for 30 to 60 minutes every 90 minutes just isn’t gonna cut it. Hopefully as battery capacities improve and charging times decline and the fast charging network is built out, this will become less and less of an issue. All that said, I would still buy my Y even if I lived in the Midwest and wasn’t passing through. But for people who need super long distance in super cold weather along with quick refueling times, a hybrid gasoline vehicle would likely be the best choice in 2022. Hopefully that changes toward the middle or end part of the decade. Thanks for watching! 🙏
@@goingelectric7826 Yeah, makes you wonder why 65% of all new cars sold in balmy Norway are electric. Clearly these Norway cars are city cars - at least during the winter time.
Very informative video. Do you think having winter tires instead of AS tires would’ve been more efficient? What kind of all season tires did you use on your trip? Thanks again for the helpful tips!
Hey! The tires I had were my second set of Goodyear 255/40R20 101W (M+S). As for fficiency… that’s an interesting question. Somehow I imagine winter tires would be a bit less efficient because of - as far as I understand it - the greater tread and grippiness/resistance. For people who live in harsh winter climates, winter tires should be considered for those winter months. Winter tends to be a rather inefficient time of the year apparently for all aspects of human civilization. Eeek! As for me… I’m a coastal Californian who really shouldn’t have been driving through Iowa right after a blizzard. 😂 Best of luck with the snow, and thanks for watching. Feel free to reach out if you have any other equations.
You should look at Michelin all seasons they are the only all season tyres that are snow rated, I have them on my ID3
I'll definitely need to look into that. I live in California but drive across the country pretty frequently, so having higher quality all-season tires would be good; or even snow tires at my parents' place permanently for when I visit in winter.
@@goingelectric7826 All weather tires are a better choice. It's not as good as winter tires but they do not turn into hockey pucks like all seasons when it hits near zero. Winter tires also wear out more quickly even in the snow. Look into the Toyo Celsius or Vredestein Quatrac Pro all weather tires.
Nicely done.
Thanks! It was fun making it. 🎥
Great video and very informative.
Thanks! I always try to make videos with practical information that people can do stuff with. Planning trips, knowing how the battery really functions, and to tell people they need snow tires!! Haha. Thanks for watching!
the Mazda and the Porsche would also have less efficiency on hills, wind and in the cold. I doubt that the would achieve their stated MPGs.. love the video thanks.. I need to take my Y on a long trip
You're right on that. It's funny you bring it up because my first cut of the video went into some details with different numbers and calculations and all these different range caveats for both EVs & ICEs but -- while I love this stuff -- it was making the video a little dry, so I cut it out. 😭 I was also wondering what % reduction in efficiency an ICE would have going up that continental divide. My car was about 45% (including battery conditioning) whereas I only penalized the ICEs maybe 15-20%. I imagine it would be even more than that. And if there's one thing we all need to know: don't trust the EPA numbers. Haha... Thanks for watching!
Double-tap the defroster to change it to warm air.
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I’ve ordered a MY (arrives Feb) … but I’m really tense about the frameless windows . I flipping hate them.
Yes, other cars have them … but often coupes and convertibles.
The fact is they are noisy at speed.
Thanks for the compliments on my photos. They're probably why it took me so long to drive across the country. Haha... And congrats on your Y! Excluding my frozen windows & doors, it's a super fun car. Definitely though, these frameless windows aren't great for anyone who parks their car outside. If you have a garage then they'll probably be fine since it usually takes a full over-night's worth of freezing in the snow to lock 'em in place. But when they do freeze, it's a pain in the @$$. But I can see why Tesla has them since some of the Autopilot cameras are located there on the B-Pillar... but no doubt there could be a good engineering solution for that. Enjoy your Y and reach out if you have any questions about anything!
@@goingelectric7826 Thanks, I will .👍
Also, how much is your time worth waiting to charge?
It is fair to say that if a person is regularly driving up the continental divide in 60 mph winds and frigid winter weather - and they can’t justify the charging times - that sort of person should consider NOT buying an EV in 2022. Instead, that person should likely drive a hybrid ICE until battery technology and charging speeds meet those sort of consumers’ needs likely toward the middle or end of the 2030s. In my case, this drive was a one off, whereas the benefits of my EV are superior in virtually every other driving scenario that I have in my regular day to day driving life. Given the current state of technology, different consumers will have different needs, and some people will find that electric vehicles meet those needs easily. Whereas others will not. The good news is that for the first time in over 100 years we actually have real drivetrain choice. This will be good for everyone.
Unless you do a lot of roadtrips, the average person spends less time waiting on a charge than fueling in the long run. Keep in mind that you leave home every morning with a "full tank". The only times you do stop to charge a few minutes are on 300+mi drives. I got my EV last march. I stopped to charge a grand total of 1 time on a 6 hour drive, taking the opportunity to go to the bathroom and buy a Pepsi and by the time I came back to the car I had overcharged. You rarely fully charge on the road, just enough to come back, and then you plug in at home and it'll be full when you wake up the next morning.
Daniel, you know you can make your video's longer than 14 min for a humongous road trip .. would like to watch a marathon video... PS.. making me nervous about getting a Y with all those cold issues.. glad I live in the south . Keep the videos coming...
Thanks for watching and reaching out! 🙏 One of these days I might consider doing a super longform video discussing the 45,000 miles I’ve driven around the United States and Canada over the past 15 months. If only I didn’t have a day job to tend to in the meantime. Haha. I do enjoy making these videos though and they keep me out of trouble on my travels. Congratulations on your Y! It’s a phenomenal car and I’m positive you’ll love it. My videos are pretty honest though. Given battery technology in the early 2020s, long-distance driving and super cold weather driving do come with a couple considerations. I think toward the middle and end of the decade most of those will be resolved through batteries with greater capacities and also a more expanded DC fast charger network nationwide. But in the meantime, if we’re going to drive in those scenarios, a little bit of planning will pretty much guarantee we can get wherever we want to go. And in reality, the only time you have to be conscious of range or efficiency is when you are driving more than 230 miles between charges in regular weather or if you’re planning on doing long-distance driving below freezing or especially below 0°F. In such extreme cold weather, range is up to 50% less than advertised and you will have to give yourself quite a bit of time to supercharge along your route. Because of that, I would advise people who live in super cold parts of the country for whom their EV would be their only vehicle, to perhaps wait a couple years until battery capacities and the charging network are a bit better. But for most people, especially those who drive less than 230 miles a day in regular weather, they will just charge at home and not have anything to worry about whatsoever. That probably covers a good 50% to 75% of the country. For them, a Tesla model Y is a phenomenal option that’s a lot of fun to drive and really doesn’t require any real thinking or planning 95% of the time. Best of luck on your exciting new adventure and reach out if you ever have any questions. 😃
@@goingelectric7826 thank you for the info
Great video
Thanks for the super kind feedback!!! 🙏
Hey Daniel, me too I always learn a lot of electric driving through your great videos...which became much more professionel, as well as you are more relaxed and entertaining in front of the camera, congratulations 👍🏼👏🏼
I love to follow and see you, Mister handsome 😍...also walking on Columbus Ave. 😘
Take care
Yay Martina! 😍 I've definitely loosened up on camera and also have gotten better at editing out various things and patching them u with b-roll video and image overlays. Haha. "Unwanted um and uh... B-ROLL! Odd look on my face? Pretty overlay pic!" Haha. And you'll also be excited to earn that I've finally been able to monetize my videos so I'm pulling in a full $0.005 to $0.01 per view. Yep, BIG MONEY is finally coming my way! 🤣
Great video, shows all the problems realistically what tesla has.
Thanks for reaching out! I really do enjoy my Tesla, but it's true that Teslas aren't perfect. Tesla still needs to work on improving build quality and Service; and as you saw in the video, the current window design can be very problematic for people who park outdoors in snowy/icy weather.
That kind of weather can be a problem for ALL cars, but a full-frame door around the windows is something winter-drivers should consider.
OR, Tesla should consider putting in some sort of heating elements around the window frame to loosen them up properly. Hopefully they've got people working on that if they want to be taken seriously as a winter performance vehicle.
The battery and drive train work very well in winter, but dealing with frozen windows and doors unthawing isn't going to be acceptable to most consumers in those environments.
Another great video. I really enjoy your content. Your presentation are very interesting, and enjoyable to watch. So all in all, do you still love your Tesla, any second thoughts about buying it? Thank you for your candidness.
Thanks for the very nice compliment! I enjoy making these videos and I try to make them more about story-telling and discussing practical things that owners will experience in our day to day lives.
And it's funny that you ask about having second thoughts buying the car. The answer very generally is "No, not at all."
Just yesterday afternoon I got in my car and as I was looking over my shoulder backing out of the garage I thought, "I really love this car!" BUT... as you've seen in my videos, like any car and car manufacturer, Model Y & Tesla are not flawless.
My winter-experience views on Model Y are that -- in its current form -- it's not a super serious winter car in extremely cold parts of the continent *** for people who must leave their car parked outside, who can't stay connected to electricity/charging, and who need to do lots of long-distance travel***. For those people, they should wait another generation for battery capacities to increase and the DC fast charging network to continue being built out.
But for anyone who drives less than 130 miles a day and has home charging and a garage, then MY is a great car in its current form.
And bigger picture, the only real complaint I have against Tesla is that their build quality is still quite low -- which wouldn't bother me if they'd fix the more significant thing/s wrong with my car (squeaky left wheels) -- but they don't. Good news for everyone else though: I haven't spoken to a single other Y owner who has the same wheel-noise issues I have, I'm likely a one-off with that.
But for the rest of it, I really love the car. I love the way it looks inside and out, I love the way it performs, I love its efficiency, I really like Autopilot (although people also love complaining about it online), so I don't regret buying my car at all.
However, owning an EV in 2022 does come with some limitations that ICEs don't, namely: range and charging times, but I embraced that at the outset and so I've never viewed it as an issue.
BUT... while I don't have regrets, I do look forward to stiff competition in the market for EVs over the next couple years so that when it's time for me to buy a new car, either Tesla will double down on build quality and service/repair, or that I'll have a much better field of quality EVs to choose from in 2025 than I did in 2020.
And by then, the DC fast charging network should be nicely expanded for non-Teslas which will make shopping for non-Tesla's a much more viable option than it was in 2020 where MY was effective the *only* real EV that could deliver on everything I needed.
I do really like Tesla though, I like that they have the best battery technology and most efficient motors by a long shot (although Lucid is coming up rapidly in this space), so I'd happily buy another Tesla *if* they can demonstrate a significant improvement to build quality and the service/support experience by then.
Thanks for taking the time to reply with such a thoughtful answer. As you might have guessed I have a Y on order, but occasionally 2nd guess the decision. I live in upstate NY, will have to park outdoors, but will have a Tesla charger installed soon for overnight charging. So, am still collecting input!!!! Thanks again. 👍
@@chuckcarson7196 I think you have made a very good decision on the car. As long as you get winter tires on it and you typically drive less than 130 miles (between charges) on the worst of winter days, you’ll be fine. and since you will be charging at home, you will usually have the car plugged in and on those really cold or snowy winter mornings, and just make sure you precondition the car for a good hour before you get out on the road. And like any vehicle, doors can freeze shut as I’m sure you have experienced so technically Teslas are no different in this regard. And in particular, for any vehicle with frameless windows, you would do well to remove any moisture from around them before you settle in for the evening on super cold nights. But when it’s snowing and you can’t do that, then you just need to precondition well in advance the next morning. Preconditioning for 15 minutes has been problematic for me. And as you saw in the video up to 45 also wasn’t enough in Iowa. But one hour as always done the trick. That was also the case when visiting my parents and temps were down to -10°F.
Severe weather probably rent a gas car if really need to get somewhere. We would rent a large SUV when traveling to the beach from Phoenix. The kids can trash it with their drinks and food. I do not need a full time huge gas suv to go to work. I enjoy my teslas with solar charging.
Definitely! I do enjoy having my godkids in the back of my car but I think I have them terrified to even look at the white seats wrong. Haha... A car rental in that scenario is a good idea. Also, it's not a bad idea for long distance winter travel which does affect EVs more intensely than ICEs primarily because battery capacities still don't match their gas tank equivalents. I'm looking forward to vehicles like the Y having between 110-140kWh which would basically make them totally competitive with ICEs, especially with more and more higher speed Superchargers along highways and in smaller towns.
Hey man, no uploads in a year. You ok?
Hey! Thanks for reaching out! Once the pandemic wound down and my remote working adventures came to an end, I returned to California and focused on my day job since it pays much better than UA-cam advertising revenue. Haha... BUT... my high voltage battery did die last month so I'll likely make a video about that experience over the next month or two. Thanks for watching!
@@goingelectric7826 Good to hear everything is alright! Here in Sweden many companies and public services kept part of the remote working regime as the pandemic showed an increase in productivity and the benefit of moving over to “activity based workplace”, aka no personal rooms and such. I for instance work from home three days a week and on site two days. My dog loves it! 😁
You are very brave!
Some might call it stupid. 😂
Going through my first winter with my Y. I 100% feel you. Electric car doesn’t like cold weather 😅
There are definitely some “considerations” with EVs during harsh winter weather. 😳 In terms of Tesla, replacing those frameless windows would be helpful, and then in general for EVs, life would be much better with 100-125kWh batteries. Sedans with 65-80kWh batteries are good in mild/cool climates, but cold weather regions are simply going to need more capacity in order to go mainstream during winter. Thanks for watching and best of luck!! ⛄️🔋🚘
Great video sir. I appreciate the miles to km conversion as I am up in Ontario. Our winters can be harsh which is stopping me from buying the model y but what are your thoughts on parking in a garage? will this prevent my main concerns: battery drainage while parked and unplugged? Also, why was it showing you 471km full battery when Tesla advertised 531km? is this because you did not charge to 100%?
Hello hello. Thanks for reaching out with the very kind feedback! Here’s my super long response. Haha 😃
I used to live in Europe, the Middle East and Asia for years, and 40% of my viewers are from outside the United States so I’m always happy to do both numbers in miles and kilometers / Fahrenheit and Celsius.
My hope is that by providing these basic numbers I can help viewers spend more time contemplating more valuable considerations in their minds when they decide whether or not going electric is right for them in 2022+.
For many people, the technology is now at the right place where they can switch over. But for other people, they should wait a couple years for battery capacities to increase, and especially to accommodate range loss during super cold weather.
At the end of the day, even for people who live in super cold climates, if they are driving less than 150mi / 240km a day, and if they charge at home, then going electric can be a great choice for them right now. But people should be aware if they do longer distance travel especially in super cold weather, that will have some charging implications that they currently do not need to deal with when driving gasoline powered vehicles. As mentioned, hopefully those issues will become smaller and smaller year on year as batteries improve and chargers become more prevalent.
RE: parking in a garage & very cold weather
This is an interesting topic which I will address from three separate angles:
1) doors and windows freezing.
2) slower charging
3) battery drain when not plugged in
Regarding the doors and windows freezing:
Parking in a garage should eliminate all of that. Presumably you have gone through enough super cold winters to know that virtually any car parked outside will have its doors frozen shut with enough snow or ice on it. I don’t fault Tesla for their doors freezing shut. That is common.
But I do question the frameless door design which leads to some problematic freezing along the window and the door frame which can lead to the window getting damaged if the door is opened or closed while the window is frozen in the upright position. For people who park inside, this probably should not be a problem. But for people who park outside, it makes any car with a frameless door design problematic in very snowy or icy regions of the continent. Including the Model Y.
Regarding slower charging:
This is actually something that I wasn’t expecting but I have learned quite a bit about driving my car around super cold environments and is more impactful the slower your charging option (120V vs 240V vs Supercharger).
It turns out that electricity comes in many different speeds, 120V offering the slowest, then home chargers around 240V, and then the much faster speeds that you see at Superchargers and DC fast chargers. Consumers experience this based on kiloWatts (kW) and that’s how fast we know the charge will be. Also, kiloWatts come from multiplying volts and amps together so that’s how you can know what the exact kW number will be. And then finally, the exact amount of energy that your battery can hold is rated in kiloWatt hours (kWh).
I have observed that the colder the weather, two things appear to occur:
1) Supercharger equipment requires more energy to stay warm and therefore provides less energy to the vehicle resulting in longer charging times ranging from not very significant to certainly noticeable.
2) The ideal battery temperature for an electric vehicle to receive a DC fast charge is somewhere around 115°F / 46°C. And that may also be the temperature required for home charging on 120V and also 240V but I would have to get that confirmed (the temperature may be lower for slower electricity). In any case, because the battery must be brought up to optimal temperature in order to minimize or prevent battery degradation over the long term, a fair amount of energy is consumed heating the battery up. Because of that:
2.1) if you are plugged in to electricity and charging in super cold weather, a portion of that electricity is not going to charge the battery but rather it is being used to keep the battery warm for the charge. Because of that, your de facto charge rate declines and the duration of the charge increases - sometimes minimally and other times significantly.
2.2) if you are driving down the highway and you have told your car that you will be stopping at the next Supercharger, the car will begin to precondition the battery and bring it up to the optimal temperature. Because that is rather energy intensive, you notice that as a reduction in efficiency during the drive which consumes higher levels of energy from the battery which results in less range. That can vary from minor to significant.
2.3) when charging at home on regular 120V I have observed that it takes at least 1 kiloWatt of energy just to keep the battery warm enough to charge. So if you’re on a NEMA 5-15 plug at 1kW the car just tells you it can’t charge because there’s no excess energy to go into the battery. If you’re on a NEMA 5-20 at 1.7kW then you can effectively charge at 700W which lakes a long long time. However, if you have a Level 2 240V charger ranging from 5kW up to 12kW, then this becomes much less of an issue because you still have a significant amount of energy available to charge the battery even if some of it is being diverted to keep the battery warm.
And regarding the final topic: battery drain while the car is not plugged in.
This is perhaps most interesting of all. While it takes at least one kiloWatt of energy to keep the battery warm enough ***to sustain a charge***, in super cold conditions when the car is unplugged and left alone, it appears that the battery goes into a deep sleep and perhaps even a deep freeze, and the battery loses very little energy each day.
In typical day-to-day operation in mild/warm weather, I observe my battery decline around 1% per day. When I had left my car at airport parking for three weeks and turned off all functions in the car (Sentry, cabin protection / interior conditioning, etc.) and did not check my app and wake the car from sleep, I got the battery drain down to 0.25%/day which was phenomenal. In contrast: leaving on Sentry and cabin temperature protection can chew through 5-8% of the battery per day.
When I was visiting my parents in the Midwest recently in weather around -10°F / -23°C, and I just left the car sitting there in a deep freeze in the driveway outside for many days, the battery declined less than 1% per day. Because of that, I no longer view battery drain as a practical problem in almost any situation whatsoever as long as I turn off Sentry & cabin protection/pre-conditioning, and don’t check the phone app frequently and turn on the car’s systems remotely for updates.
Therefore, with a new Model Y having a usable battery capacity of 75kWh, theoretically the car battery could maintain charge for up to 100 days if charged up to 100% and declining just 1%/day, or perhaps 50 days at the bare minimum if I was being cautious and calculating at 2%/day.
And lastly, regarding the discrepancy between 100% being 471km and not 531km as advertised:
Apparently there are two methods a car manufacturer can use with the American environmental protection agency to determine the efficiency/range numbers for a specific car. It appears the Tesla has chosen to use the method which seems to be based on only driving 55mph/85kph in mild weather on flat land with no crosswinds, versus other manufactures that take into count more real world situations like higher speeds on highways and interstates which are simply more energy intensive and less efficient.
Because of that, the typical Tesla driver who gets anywhere near a highway or interstate will more likely see real world range numbers be 30% less than advertised. But, if you only ever drive around the suburbs, or are in slower traffic on highways because of commuting, or are driving at slower speeds around cities, you may in fact hit the advertised range numbers *in perfect weather on flat land*.
In my life, I virtually never achieve those Tesla numbers because I do so much interstate travel.
This is also the case for gasoline powered vehicles that are much less efficient the faster you drive but we don’t really see it as a problem or even really care because there are gas stations everywhere and gas tanks hold so much energy. Again, once battery capacities increase and chargers are built out, this will become less and less of a problem each year going forward.
But, given the somewhat restrained battery capacities in the year 2022, this becomes a very practical problem for long-distance travel especially in super cold weather where you’re going to experience an additional 20% hit on your range. And because of that, your actual observed range may be as low on super cold days as 50% below advertised. This can be quite a shocking lesson for people to learn who do long-distance travel in super cold whether and it is probably a determining factor between whether or not that person should go electric in 2022 or just wait a couple more years.
So long story short: both the Tesla website advertised range number AND the number shown on my display are wrong because 1) I usually drive on highways which is 20-30% less efficient than advertised, and 2) super cold weather (highway) driving can be up to 50% less efficient than advertised.
So those are all of my experiences and views on these topics. Let me know if you have any other questions! 😊
@@goingelectric7826 greatly appreciate the time you took to respond! Cheers
Bravo !!!!!
Thanks! It was a fun video to make.
Love the car. But I think you still need and ICE (no pun intended) vehicle for long road trips in winter conditions for now.
Thanks for reaching out! Yep, I think it’s fair to say that battery electric vehicles are rapidly developing and can fulfill the needs of many many consumers. But at the same time, they also cannot meet the needs of many other consumers. For those who need to do long distance travel in cold weather with short refueling times, battery electric technology right now is really not the best solution for them. Instead, an efficient hybrid ICE is still the best choice. The great news about the 2020s is that car consumers will have a good selection of propulsion and energy storage alternatives for the first time in nearly 100 years. ICEs will certainly remain a part of that selection for quite some time to come.
Have a LR Y on order and live in Wisconsin. Recommend winter tires or at least all weather?
Congratulations on the order. You’ll love your car! For winter, my feeling is you should do what you have typically done with any other ICE car. I have family in Wisconsin and Illinois and spend a fair amount of time out there during winter time. I found that my 20 inch all weather tires didn’t perform well at all on ice. True, few tires do, but my understanding with winter tires is that they can grip better with snow in the deeper tread - or something along those lines. 😃 No doubt though, winter tires will have a reduced effect on efficiency so keep that in mind. The dead of winter can be quite intense on all cars, and especially electric vehicles which carry so little energy in their batteries relative to gasoline tanks. But if you’re not doing constant long-distance travel during wintertime, it’s not a problem at all.
@@goingelectric7826 thanks for the response!
Hey Daniel, how are u? Where have u been lately?
Hello hello. All has been good. I have taken a break from making videos now that I have wrapped up my 50,000 miles of driving around the United States and Canada and settled back into living in one place for an extended period of time and I’ve started focusing again on my career which pays quite a bit better than UA-cam. 😂 How have you been??
@@goingelectric7826 That’s so funny, I thought you were just gonna keep us entertained forever with interesting tesla hacks and amazing road-trips lol I guess we all have to go back to reality lol. I am in Banff and I took my M3SR+ all the way from Orange County California. 2k miles down,2k more to go, to get back home. So far so good! The car has been amazing. No issues. So far I’m avg 240wh/mi with two toddlers and the wife in the car, plus luggage for 2 weeks. Not too bad efficiency! Also, I saw your video on how to trek the Canadian Rockies and it def made me feel better about doing the trip in my M3. The little J1772 you find here and there is like finding folded up money in dirty laundry haha.
Well, anyway, I hope we see a video from u soon, maybe a grocery run? Lol
@@kingsrule2567 Best of luck on your trip and enjoy that new Supercharger up in Jasper if you make it that far. Awesome that you’re getting such good efficiency. 3s do that. Jealous! Currently I’m at an average of 292Wh/mi over the past 52,000mi on my 20” tires. Great to hear from you and enjoy your drive home!
Hi! Just wanted to report that I finally got my MYLR! I absolutely love it! 🥰
🎉 Congrats! Enjoy going electric and kicking everyone’s 🍑!! Haha… 🤣
No new videos?
Hello, hello! After I finished my 18-month drive around the United States working remotely, I finally got back into California and settled down just a bit to focus on my career, which pays my bills much better than UA-cam videos. Haha… 😃 I really enjoyed making these videos, and my godson keeps telling me I should make more, but for the time being my daytime career calls. Thanks for watching and I appreciate your support! 🙏❤️🔋🚙
Idk about you but i get 600 to a tank maybe 550 temperatures permitting doin65 you can keep your extra delay time. You forgot to add the amount of time you add on. That should only take 13 hrs not stopping maybe once to sleep. Your chsrge times bank on an additional 8-10 hrs to the trip permiting your also dont hit traffic
Yeah but who cares?
EVs aren’t yet made to perfectly meet every single user’s needs. The technology just isn’t there yet and likely won’t be till the 2030s or 2040s, and in some cases the 2050s.
If an EV doesn’t meet your needs in the year 2022, do NOT but one.
I do like electric vehicle technology, but I’m reasonable enough to admit that they’re not for everybody in the year 2022.
But if the technology does meet a consumer’s needs, then EVs are something those consumers should consider.
In my case, I used to live in Saudi Arabia and because of that experience I vowed that I would do whatever I could to prevent my own personal income and wealth being shipped abroad to foreign energy suppliers.
I now live a life where electric vehicles allow me the opportunity to keep my hard earned money in the United States with American car companies producing American vehicles built by American workers with American technology powered by American energy.
Next up: relocating lithium supply chains out of China into the United States and our democratic allies. This process is just beginning.
This technology works for me and I’m happy about it. But I understand some people are happy to keep America slaves to foreign energy suppliers; or more likely - the technology just isn’t there to meet their needs yet.
Whatever your case, get the technology that works best for you.
Been looking for an EV lately, really like the Model Y.
Hey! Thanks for watching and reaching out. I've really enjoyed my Y and have certainly driven it hard. Good news over the past year since I made this video: winter performance in 2022-2023 was MUCH better than Winter 2021-2022. Very likely due to over-the-air updates over the past year to power management, the heater, traction control, etc. Best of luck if you go with a Y. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions!
3:12 Oh Geez!!! Not good
Yes, that was definitely a dramatic moment! In the case of Model Y it seemed like a couple things were going on: 1) the software that controls the doors (rightly) sounded alerts that the door was open while in motion but 2) wasn’t letting me latch it closed while in motion (perhaps still partially frozen), and then 3) was registering incorrectly when I came to a stop. Because of that, for people who only have outdoor parking without charging hookups and can’t precondition the car before departure AND live in frigid/wintry conditions might consider buying a different car. However, I was up in lots of snow in the Sierra Nevada parked outside this winter while able to plug in and precondition and I didn’t have any of these problems. Also, Tesla has added remote-door opening to the phone app so even if the handles are frozen shut you can now get it. Lastly, as mentioned in the video, a software update during the journey fixed the heater issue so that was good… and this winter I felt like my Y was great up in the snow. Better living through software updates and preconditioning! Haha… Thanks for watching! 🙏
@@goingelectric7826 I’m picking up a new S Series next week. I already have charge anxiety following the Ford and GM deal. I wonder how that will play out!
@@tonyglen33 Congrats on the S. Very nice!! I suppose the convenient news is that they won’t be entering into Supercharger en masse until 2024, and even then there’s only a few CCS plugs on Superchargers that they can use, and everyone else will need to get an adapter which will take some time. Then in 2025 more vehicles will have native chargers built in the but the numbers will still be on the lower side compared to the sheer number of Teslas… so, I think we’ll be fine especially since Tesla continues to build more and more Superchargers everywhere. As demand goes up on this side of the business, I can imagine Supercharger will continue to build more and more. Lastly, competing DC energy providers can always adapt NACS nativity on their chargers will will provide additional competition to Supercharger so a not-insignificant chunk of Tesla drivers may actually switch over to non-Superchargers if they’re more convenient or cheaper. Good luck to us all!
@@goingelectric7826 Thanks for the info! I live on the Ottawa river which gets extremely cold but I've got a nice heated garage so I'm super excited! I look forward to more of your content. I know it's not easy :)
What's happened to you @Going Electric ??
Hello hello! Thanks for reaching out! 😃 As it turns out, upon returning to California last February after driving 50,000 miles back-and-forth around the United States and Canada, I needed to focus on my daytime career instead of partying around the continent making videos on UA-cam (which I truly loved). Humorously, I made about $700 total in those 15 months making UA-cam videos. I’m hoping my annual performance review and compensation conversation with my employer next month goes a little better than that. 😂 Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed my videos! 🙏
@@goingelectric7826 good luck with your compensation! Keep the channel going, though. I enjoyed your content.
@@goingelectric7826 I'd wondered as well. Glad you’re doing well. I do miss your adventures. Maybe one day you can continue your galavanting. Cheers!
Nice
Thanks! It was a fun adventure. 😃
Los Angeles to Portland, Maine and back on a standard range last year. Video on my channel. Cost me about $400 round trip, 7,000 miles +
Very cool! That must have been quite an adventure!
@@goingelectric7826 it was so great, in a couple of weeks we might go from Los Angeles to Miami and back. Same standard range plus.
Great video, well done! Although I think you’ve been a bit generous with the ICE vehicles capable range under the same conditions. To bad the trip wasn’t done side by side with the Porsche or Mazda. I think your savings were actually higher than stated.
Living in Canada, ICE vehicles tend to take a 15% to 30% hit in winter range. Also, EPA Max highway economy estimates tests are usually done at an average speed of between 48mph (~80km/hr) and 60mph (~100km/hr) on a 10 mile flat stretch.
You were doing 70~80mph at times, with elevations and windy conditions, just saying 😉.
Thanks for reaching out. I did consider many of those issues but unfortunately I wasn’t able to test them so I figured I’d err on the side of caution in part to not appear (or be) exceedingly biased. But no doubt, winter weather affects ICEs along with climbing up the continental divide. And certainly, EPA numbers can be questionable. But the main take-aways are still pretty solid: while energy cost savings may not be significant on this exact route compared to these vehicles, the environmental benefits are extremely beneficial and the operational cost savings are substantial. Looking forward to experiencing and learning more. 😃
As Musk starts to add more megaPacks and solar to superchargers maybe able to control costs of charging. I charge at home with solar/powerwall. Save $600/month on gas and home electricity in Hawaii. No oil filters in land fills.
Very true! At-home charging is the gold standard for saving money with our EVs. And in most cases our EVs never cost more than gasoline even when Supercharging. In some high cost markets it might come close, but when you take extremely lower maintenance costs into account, and the recent price-parity with ICEs because of Tesla's MSRP reductions, Model Y is virtually always less expensive now than a similar ICE. I bet it must be nice having solar and a power wall. JEALOUS!!!! I'm at $0.25/kWh in my apartment rental charging at 120V/12A here in the Bay Area and then a $0.10/kWh eco charge for low carbon juice (which is sometimes offset by other credits). So much price variation, eh. Thanks for watching and reaching out!
-9 isn't cold but otherwise good video
-9 certainly froze my West Coast taters off... but it's definitely shorts weather for Midwesterners especially if -9 follows -20 or -30. 🤪 Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed the video. 🙏
I'm from Montreal and after watching this video, I will not buy a Tesla.
I think that’s a fair thing to do. Many people in parts of the continent with intense winter weather and who drive a lot in it, it would be best to wait until: 1) Tesla gets rid of the frameless window design, and 2) battery capacities increase a good 30-50%. Point 1 may never happen but Point 2 will likely hit the market within 3-5 years. Good luck with winter!
Where are the "bad" roads? Looks like they are all well plowed. WHO, in their right mind would use all year tires? Sooo stupid.
Hello hello, while many of the roads were generally plowed, they were still quite icy as evidenced by the many cars spun out and crashed all around (my car excluded). As for all season tires: I was on a 5000 mile drive from San Francisco > Texas > Illinois > California. Purchasing, transporting and switching to winter tires for the brief time I was in the Midwest wasn’t practical or economically advisable. However, a point of this video is if one lives where there is frequent snow or ice, winter tires are a must. Signed, Soooo Not Totally Stupid. 😘
@@goingelectric7826 I don't think I would dare to drive on anything but wintertires. I do have a question. I'm about a week away from ordering a Model Y. Do you feel the car to be noisy?
@@Pomaco4U Hello. I have a September 2020 build and that version only came with single pane glass windows. The ones built the following month started coming with double pane glass windows and apparently that really reduced noise in the cabin. Interestingly, I don’t particularly think the interior is super quiet. You’re definitely not going to get the soundproofing from this car that you would from a $90K+ luxury car, but after installing some simple seals around my doors and getting a windshield manufacturing mount defect fixed, I feel like the interior of my car is fine. I’ve also had a couple passengers come in and say it’s quieter than their own cars so I’d say it’s probably in the middle compared to similar vehicles. Not loud. Not super quiet. But the best way to find out is for you to test drive a brand new one and see how the noise reduction is now in 2022 compared to 2020. Good luck!
@@goingelectric7826 hi, yes I tried a modell Y at my local "dealer", I think they said that it didn't have the laminated roof. I just hope that my version won't be too noisy as I drive for long hours on rurol roads at speeds around 65-70mph, or 110 km/h as us in the sensible part of the world measures speed😉😁. Anyways, Tesla is today what Porsche and Ferrari used to be, middleclass dream cars.