The Twin Snakes is my GUILTY PLEASURE!
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
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I love how people complain that Twin Snakes is over the top, as if MGS3 doesn't have a 2minute gun-spinning scene and a boss who anime-dances with bees 🤣
Mgs 3 wasn't a remake
I get what ur saying but this flew over ur head
@@reaz1612 Well duh
Big Boss wasn't doing impossible backflips over every obstacle. Your point lacks context
Metal Gear have always been the most over the top goofy games mixed with seriousness. You cannot ignore the goofiness as if it has never existed. These "fans" like to gatekeep the games just so they can feel special.
One big win that TTS has for me is how they fixed both the PSG1 and the PAL card backtracking which I think are the worst parts of the original
Game is a masterpiece like every other entry, but goodness those backtracks broke me. It was funny because the flow of the game up until those points were impeccable.
It was pretty funny though just leaving Meryl on the ground bleeding out because Snake was like "Shit, I forgot my sniper, brb"
@@Green--X shit, afk, my mom is calling me
You dont have to backtrack in the original either there are secret ways
You dont have to backtrack in the original either there are secret ways
@@HistoryandReviews could you elaborate on that? AFAIK in the original you had to schlep all the way back to B2 of the Tank Hangar to get the PSG1 in the original, whereas TTS has a PSG1-T in the room where you find Meryl in the nuke storage building.
This should have been called Metal Gear Solid: Revengeance. I loved this game though and still do, it compliments the original, does not replace it. So Happy I still have my Twin Snakes copy in mint condition
I mean no it wasnt that bad, but it wasn't that good either. I've always liked the theory that mgs1 was Snakes perspective and the Twin Snakes was Otacon's retelling of the story. Hence making it over the top and anime like. "It's just like one of my Japanese animes"
Yeah I just heard about this theory from another comment, which is a great way of looking at it!
"A-and she said she liked me too!" "Stockholm. Syndrome."
It's not bad at all...but it's not as good as the original. It gets too much hate
I guess it's better to treat it as a spin-off than as a serious entry to the franchise. Then it does not have to stick to too high standards that it jus cannot fulfill and can be played more lighly. In other words, it's better to see it as a compliment rather than replacement of MGS1.
You people are like zombies; parroting and regurgitating what somebody else says online, over and over again. No individual or critical thinking skills at all...
3:42 kind of a tired argument for this game tbh. The supernatural elements of MGS are reserved for the supernatural beings. Thats what makes these scenes so extraordinary. When you get Snake leapfrogging off of missiles you have crossed a line of immersion breaking and are travelling into bad fanfiction. A lot of the ridiculous acrobatics in TTS get handwaved away because of one or two scenes from the original games and these people are missing the forest for the trees. I don't care that people like TTS, everyone has differest tastes, but this point always irked me when people bring it up because theres always been a clear distinction between the fantastical and grounded elements in the original.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I've been saying the same thing but no one wants to admit it (or at least hardcore Twin Snakes fans don't) . Couldn't have put it better myself
I personally can't stand Twin Snakes. The original is one of my favorite games of all time, I know it probably better than any other game I've played. The biggest problem for me is that Twin Snakes feels like it was made by people who thought the original game was boring, Twin Snakes doesn't have the same feel or spirit of the original.
A remake that I consider to be absolutely amazing is another favorite of mine and one that released the same year, Resident Evil 2. That's a remake that changes a lot, adds new things, removes others, new voice actors, new play styles, but through it all it always felt like Resident Evil 2, just an updated version and the same goes for others like Final Fantasy VII. Twin Snakes doesn't have this.
The characters feel off as well, Snake now feels like an insensitive asshole half the time and Otacon feels like a nerdy kid getting bullied by a jock. This is a HUGE problem because these two go on to become such good friends that they may as well be family and in the original that made sense because their friendship felt real. In Twin Snakes I have no clue why these two would stick around, they don't seem compatible as simple allies let alone life long friends.
And the silliness and refusal to take things seriously bothers me to no end. From little moments like Ocelot dropping his gun during the torture scene to infuriating moments like Liquid jumping and flipping around on the guard rails when he's explaining everything to Snake after revealing himself as Master Miller. In the original both of these were important moments that were taken very seriously, but the remake seems to think we're bored by this and can't simply be engaged by the developments and storytelling.
And btw, this is NOTHING like Vamp running on the water in MGS2. That works because the scene recognizes how crazy this is and everyone in the scene reacts accordingly, but in Twin Snakes whenever something crazy happens everyone just rolls with it and acts like nothing happened.
Yes, you can just ignore all of the ways you can make this game easy for yourself but this should have been caught by the devs and compensated for. This is why remakes can't always be exactly like how the original was, when you bring a title designed for a system nearly 2 generations behind the current one you need to make sure that modern advancements don't break it.
Overall Twin Snakes is okay on it's own but as a remake it's terrible.
I don't think MGS1 graphics are a negative point. On the contrary, the emotions and complex story that those simple models are capable of expressing is something most people appreciate. I like to think of it as charming like a black and white movie.
It says a lot about Twin Snakes that people barely mention the better visuals and instead dump on it for sacrificing the things the original game did better.
imo, black and white is very different from low poly 3d. Mainly that low poly 3d ages worse. I think all early 3d gaming graphics age much worse than early filming when it comes to people with little nostalgia for the OGs.
Twin Snakes got no re-releases and was exclusive to a much less popular system. More people willl play the PS1 original and assume from others that Twin Snakes is bad enough to not be worth playing. Its easy to dump on a game that way.
I honestly loved the Twin Snakes when it came out and I still emulate it every now and then. The music, while I get the criticism, didn’t ruin it for me. While I missed Mei Ling’s accent, I get why that was changed too. I loved the change on the cutscenes; Snake was supposed to be an 80’s action hero trope so if anything, I welcomed the change.
The only thing on the whole that I didn’t like was the atmosphere. It seemed so bright as compared to the dim and foreboding lighting of the PS1 version. Maybe it was a necessity of the PS1 or they were going for the feel of a “cutting edge high tech weapons research facility” rather than an “underfunded facility used for the dismantling and storage of nuclear warheads”, I don’t know. But the lighting was the only thing that really chafed me, and I was able to shrug it off somewhat by making it headcanon that TTS is Raiden’s VR simulation of Shadow Moses.
Absolutely a neccessity of the PS1 due to limited draw distances but it definitely added to the atmosphere as a whole.
Yo that head canon idea makes sooooo much sense of the consistent matrix elements since he later becomes the 2nd Cyborg (or 3rd overall) Ninja in the MG universe.
I don't remember where I heard it, but the idea is MGS is what happened, TTS is the story as its told by others, "I caught a fish and it was THIIIIISSS big" kind of exaggeration, which makes sense
Oh cool, I like that analogy. Kind of ties quite well into the "truths being no match to the legend" theme that runs throughout MGS
@@PlayerAlert exactly, it explains the Matrixification too lol
It's basically Kojima going "this was in my head at x moment" from my understanding.
I agree about the score/soundtrack of MGS1 being integral to its atmosphere. The MGS1 soundtrack, voice-acting and in-game atmosphere are the best in the entire series, in my opinion.
Yeah totally agree
@@PlayerAlert Thanks. Great videos by you, very enjoyable.
Really? The atmosphere is fantastic but in terms of voice acting and soundtrack, I think MGS2 is the best in the series.
@@myenemysenemy1043 Yep. Agree to disagree, I suppose!
@@myenemysenemy1043 I do love the Yell Dead Cell theme tbf, best boss music in the series
This remake was a masterpiece
No
No just no
True
@@HistoryandReviews yes
@@reaz1612 yes just yes
It's not forgotten, just ignored really.
It reviewed fine to meh but as you incidentally pointed out at the 0:50 mark it has a lower Metacritic than the original. There's a console exclusive Far Cry game or two from 2006 that got an 80 to 85 and trust me they are no classics today.
The GameCube also had the Resident Evil Remake in 2001 which is still a gold standard and has aged very well. Resident Evil is also pretty stupid, but I don't think that exuses either of them and unlike TTS it's remake improved on that front. In other Resident Evil remakes for better or worse they do try to ground or make the tone consistant. Twin Snakes has aged worse than the older game on these fronts which is part of it's infamy. It's updated graphics were lackluster for the time, (2004, same year as Snake Eater.) hardly better than MGS2 and actually worse in some ways disregarding that even for the GameCube hardware it wasn't exactly impressive. But that's still the least of it's problems, it's a remake that leaves one still wanting for a remake and what could be less satisfying or more dissapointing than that?
85 is still a pretty good score though
@@PlayerAlert Yeah but it's a remake, should be better/higher than the original PS1 game, no? 90 or not times been harsh but still kinder to the original game.
It should definitely aim for that, but I think sometimes it's just hard beat the impact of when you first experience a game, along with the nostalgia attached to it. RE are great at doing it with their remakes, but if I look at something like FF7 Remake, I can appreciate a lot about the graphics and gameplay upgrades, but it will never feel like the first time experiencing the original.
@@PlayerAlert Not talking of or from any sort of nostalgia I assure you. I mean the first Resident Evil Remake specifically. It cuts nothing, improves the base without breaking the design and what it adds fits in seamlessly as if it was always there. A polished title with impressive art direction and graphics. A remake. Not a reimagining, an update and remix.
While the layout is 1:1 in TTS it doesn't work with the new mechanics or AI, and what's new comes off as jarring. It's even lacking content from the original. If something was bad in the original it's the same or worse in the remake. Sniper Wolfs fights are poor and remain unchanged simply because they existed before along with other segments. If something was good it's effect was diminished by other issues piling up leading to a death by a thousand cuts. Hard to take any part of it seriously when the entire game is so stupid now. Besides the kungfu Snake is performing actions in the cutscenes that he can't or didn't do ingame which leads to ludo narrative dissonance and a weaker connection with the player and the world. Whats funny is this wasn't even one of the original games problems and one of the things that in fact made it stand out. Also if he is as invincible as he is unphased why care when he's in danger? This also is at odds with the slightly more realistic mechanics dumped in from 2. Worse yet, Bosses and enemies can be tranqed but are treated as dead or killed regardless of the players choice and further breaking the narrative, point/messaging.
Twin Snakes cutscenes are also longer, featuring awkward pauses etc as while the cinematics now have a glut of action the same director has no experience or idea how to shoot dialogue (which they themselves found boring) which in a script heavy title that's story was considered to be important is a death sentence as the pacing which may have already been questionable now firmly falls into the bad end of the spectrum.
The other crucial thing is the Resident Evil Remake was actually made by the same team as the original Resident Evil where as Twin Snakes was not. Which may further explain one teams inability to identify strengths and weaknesses over the other besides experience. That and Silicon Knights also having less budget AND a single year. One is a remake that enhances and preserves the original, the other has aged faster than an older more limited title. You don't need (not always) the original team to do it right, Black Mesa's proof of that, but you do need to understand what does or doesn't work or you wind up with Hunt Down the Freeman.
I apologize for the wall of text but I really hope you read this.
@@GuyOnAChair Bro spot on. Just spot on. I couldn't have said it better myself. It's just a shame that Pretty much everything you've said is going to be ignored and there's going to be a bunch of Really angry twin snakes fans that are just gonna throw the "nostalgia" excuse at you or some other completely irrelevant and invalid point.
I've seen someone theorizing that TTS is the actual mission and MGS1 is the VR recreation Raiden went through, and I have to say it's a nice theory. It could kinda explain details like Otacon and Ocelot have their clumsy moments or why TTS has mechanics that make the game easier but are also expected to be used by Snake
I prefer the theory being the over way around since snake us seen as more of a legend so his story is more exaggerated in the vr missions
Hey everyone!
I've been informed that you can actually fix the blue screen issue when emulating The Twin Snakes, by going into the Graphics settings/Hacks/uncheck both XFB options.
Thank you to my fellow Diamond Dogs who passed this knowledge on in the comment section! Just wish I knew it before making the video 😅
I grew up with MGS for the PS1, I loved TTS for the GameCube in High School, right around the time I had already played MGS2 and MGS3. A few years ago, I tried to play the PS1 version and I discovered I had personal issues with the graphics. I had been spoiled to the point where I felt more comfortable playing TTS instead, so that's what I ended up doing and I don't regret it.
This game was VERY VERY VERY extra and over the top
as if any other Metal Gear game isn't haha
“Remember when Vamp outdid Jesus?”
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Our Vamp, who art in Outer Heaven...
People who says that MGS is easy haven't played on the hardest level.
On hard level, Snake can get cold and sneaze and more.
The voice acting and music is genuinely awful in twin Snakes. I also think the og has a better art direction and presentation. Twin Snakes is fine but doesn't trump the og.
That being said the cutscenes are hilarious which makes the game worth playing imo
The original is certainly superior, but I do enjoy a playthrough of TTS every now and then, just for a laugh 😆
@PlayerAlert just completed twin Snakes last night. Would be lying if I said it was bad and it definitely grew on me!
The voice acting in the original is at least 90% better than TTS, the music is entirely better too. The game never needed a remake.
The game was made because Nintendo wanted MG on the GameCube
Hmm. Not sure Mei Ling's Chinglish was all that good 🤣
@@myenemysenemy1043 i thought it was cute
Aside from weaker OST and some VA changes that ticked me off, I think overall they just made it a bit sillier. While the franchise would obviously become more and more outlandish with each game, MGS was the most grounded. I don't like that they felt the need to change that. This is in part why I think MGS is still the best game in the series overall.
I don't think any of them are grounded, as such. I think the original might come across that way because nobody before then had really played a video game that was so cinematic and contained such heavy ideas and themes in its story. If I had to pick a game in the series that was the most 'serious', I'd have to say 5 or 2.
The only flaw besides the music and making it easy is that they should of put it on the ps2 that would of made it better instead of putting it on the GameCube
Nintendo payed for the game’s development.
Why would they have released it on the PS2?!
AFAIK Nintendo funded this
The thing that ruined it for me was the goofy, over the top cut scenes. Jumping off of a Hinds missile was dumb as fuck. The original voice acting was better too.
Still an awesome game.
Yeah the Hind D missile jump is ridiculous, but makes me crack up every time xD I quite enjoy the fights between Snake and Gray Fox though. Agree the original voice acting was better, but Twin Snakes comes pretty close
Just finished a playthrough and while I couldn't get into the original I had a blast with the remake. Its not perfect but I really loved it
Ah nice! Glad to hear you loved it. Do you think you'll continue the series?
Not guilty here. Superior version.
In my opinion twin snakes is a bad remake the music was not great compared to the original the original sound track made u feel like you where there. Having the mk2 tran gun in it was a big no you could use the mk2 though the whole game not kill any guards but at the end when liquid says to snake you enjoy all the killing then shows snake in a flashback using a famas killing guards it just goes against the plot. What they done to the raven fight was a joke the whole point of the fight was to lay traps and stay out of his sight but in twin snakes u can equipped rations stand in front of him and just shoot him in the head im not even joking. But the one thing I do agree with in twin snakes is grey fox and the hallway scene was amazing he can be over the top because he was a cyborg ninja.
And they left out the best is yet to come aswell in twin snakes
Personally love the twin snakes, just did a playthrough a couple days ago, you can also fix that codec blue screen bug pretty easily
Oh nice! I need to look up how to do it
@@PlayerAlert Graphics settings/Hacks/uncheck both XFB options.
@@sir_christmas_leopold_duckson 🙏
This game is cool as hell and I can play it on my Wii with a wireless GameCube controller.. Not bad I always wanted to see Gray Fox & Liquid fight in MGS2 style graphics
Meryl, bleeding to death on the cold concrete: “War is ugly. There’s nothing glamorous about it.”
MGS TS: Flippity flippy flews!!! WooOOOOAHH!!! Look at Snake GO!!!
😂
I’ll keep it simple. The hate is unwarranted.
I loved twin snakes, all the over the top gray fox cut scenes were amazing
I recently played this game on my gamecube with an mk 2 HDMI converter with the M cable, loved it besides the music. Now I recently got Mgs 2 and 3 Substance's for ps2 can't wait cuz I'll be playing that on a pvm CRT with rgb.
Matrix-confused crap. Only good thing was the graphical improvements. I'd say the cutscenes but then the bullet time and backflips start happening...
The one thing I don't like about TTS is the color palate of the game, it's dull, boring and soulless . I think it's something N64\PS1 graphics are well known for, but in the original the blue is bluer, the green is greener and the yellow is yellower. Hell, Snake Eater (Wich I believe came out the same year as TTS) had much more colors and it had beautiful art style and technically impressive graphics for a PS2 game. Honestly, TTS would probably be much better if Kojima and Kojima's pro. made it instead of Silicon Knights (even though Kojima never wanted an MGS1 remake to begin with).
Yeah you're right, it does certainly have a very dull and muted look to it compared to the original. I remember the 2nd boss battle with Raven really showed the difference. It's looks a lot bluer and cooler in the original.
Silicon Knights weren’t given that much creative freedom. The people that made all of the decisions were Kojima and a team at Konami who were the actual developers. Silicon Knights were just following orders. It wouldn’t have made a difference if Silicon Knights wasn’t involved besides a few Eternal Darkness easter eggs and one of the composers who worked for Silicon Knights composing some of the soundtrack.
@@donkeykongisytpooping3002 That's not entirely accurate. While not Silicon Knights choice the cutscenes were the result of the freedom. With one year and a low budget there wasn't much room for further experimentation.
@@GuyOnAChair Silicon Knights didn’t do the cutscenes.
@@donkeykongisytpooping3002 I didn't say that. But as said in later interviews: "The VCR for Ryuhei Kitamura's cutscenes" of which took much of the games limited budget and freedom. The tone of the cutscenes were also controversial to some of Silicon Nights staff.
I think its really telling that videos in defense of Twin Snakes are often short, tend to beat around the bush for a minute or a few and primarily seem to only focus on refuting one or two common criticisms, while videos on why Twin Snakes doesn't work tend to be long, more thought out video essays that go into greater detail. No offense to the dude who made this video or people that like twin snakes but I'm just saying 🤷
I see twin snakes as the type of game where you should play it, but only after you have played the original game.
The best way to play this game is on PS3 with your PS1 disc. You can also smoothen the edges of the characters in the options on PS3 🙂
I was actually doing this the other day :)
Snake kicking off a Missile was my favorite.........Like....HE KICKED OFF A FUCKING MISSILE!!!!!
It gets me every time 😂
*Like Super-man*
It definitely wasn't a bad game - people just love sensationalizing "bad gaem bad" because some people still think it's cool to do in this day and age.
Finally someone with cold mind:)
Also codec background sometimes is blue and sometimes is green but you can make it into orginal like color
I don't know how...i just messing with options until it work and it works:)
First person mode in mgs1 is way less of a cheat then just playing phantom pain normally. I can litterally walk right up to enemies and the game will slow down so I can shoot them and up to 5 other people in the head while they're all frozen.
First person aiming has always been broken. People act like it’s a big deal that Twin Snakes has it for all weapons.
Here's a thing unlike mgs 5 mgs 1 is much more linear not to mention the AI in mgs 5 would actually try to do something if you held them long enough, there are a lot of instances where the enemies are placed very closely and thanks to dynamic ai some guards would even come wearing better helmets if you score way too many headshots whereas in twin snakes i can literally cheese through so many parts by just using fp mode biggest offender being the bosses like ocelot and raven just because it works in one game Doesn't account for the reason it will work in other if you like twin snakes thats totally fine i respect your opinion but you don't have to downplay other games for that
@@Eshanthegreat I S ranked all of phantom pain dude. I dont need you explaining it to me. You can slow down time so you can get 5 headshots then walk up to as many more groups as you want until the base is captured in phantom pain. The only thing the enemy can do about it is cover their entire team in full armor which they wont do they'll only get a few guys per base and even then you can negate it by using lethal weapons or just send your guys on missions to take out their supplies. Twin snakes having first person isnt even kind of crutch compared to that. Love phantom pain it's just ignorant that people say twin snake is broken or too easy because you can see in front of you person mean while I'm in phantom pain I'm taking out entire open world maps by sprinting and clicking peoples heads while the game holds everyone in place for me.
@@aroccoification Dude i have replayed phantom pain a lot and the game does register you scoring too many headshots to a point where every second guard for me was equipped with a helmet fully covering his face and about the reflex time using it won't give you any bonus on missions also the thing you mentioned is only applicable to open world free roam where in my playtime the game didn't applied the same thing for open world biggest example being the second mission where you have to take out the commander when I got to that while trying to S rank literally every second guard was equipped with a helmet however when I visited the same location while free roaming it didn't happen every guard was now equipped with the most basic equipment not to mention in order to tranquilize enemies you have to be close for better precision and as for first person in twin snakes i think mgs 2 did accomodated for it with it's much more claustrophobic level design with tighter enemy placements whereas without many changes in level design and just throwing mechanics of mgs 2 really mess up the game in a lot of ways imo be it cheesing through bosses and taking enemies out with ease
@@Eshanthegreat dude just played a new game with a friend and ran threw it shooting everyone in the head with reflex. Unless they're in full armor you can headshot nonlethal. Even then you can use lethal weapons and still shoot them in the head with reflex while still getting an S rank. Besides cqc works just fine with the reflex and armor. I'm not shitting on phantom pain anyway. Love that game I'm just saying its ignorant to say twin snakes is broken or too easy because you can see in front of yourself especially when phantom pain has numerous crutches available that no one complains about. I think people are just biased toward twin snakes because they prefer the original. It plays just fine and is not broken same thing with phantom pain
They changed vulcan ravens lines and voice actor. Honestly I hated that so much
I still think releasing it exclusively on GameCube was a mistake. The MGS audience was on PS2 at the time. Also MGS3 released just months after Twin Snakes, resulting in a lot of fans ignoring Twin Snakes.
I'm gonna try my best to not sound like a dick but there were some pretty bad points in the video in the game's defense.
First off, I'll never understand how so many think the excuse of "well if you don't like the new mechanics than just don't use them" is not only a valid defense but also not a reason for why the game fails as a remake. Since when was it good game design to have to ignore core gameplay mechanics in order the play the game properly? Especially when said new mechanics are selling points on the back of the box. If your response to criticism of the new mechanics and how they break the game is just "play the game like the original", than why should you even play the remake and by extension why even have the remake at all? Also the comparison of chaff grenades to first person aiming as "ways to get around obstacles" is not applicable. Chaff grenades didn't break the game.
Second, ok so younger fans would choose Twin Snakes because of it's graphics... and that a positive how? Imagine if the same thing was said in defense of something like Metal Gear Survive. I mean why not? It certainly has better graphics than the original MGS1, or MGS2 or MGS3 for that matter.
Third, so the Matrix was really popular at the time and Twin Snakes was capitalizing on it, ok and? That somehow makes the over the top cutscenes good and not clash with the pre existing tone of the game if not the whole series? So all of a sudden shamelessly coping contemporary media is a good thing? Especially when the series was always great a carving out its own identity instead of following trends. Then there the "the series was always silly" excuse and I get it, there's your example of Vamp running on water, but you ever notice things like that are always done with characters who have some obvious cybernetic enhancement or purposefully have how they do what they do left a mystery to create some type of creepy aura around them IN CONTRAST to the more grounded setting the games reside in? That's the reason things like Psycho Mantis, Vamp, The End etc stand out so much. If the games were really that over the top every second than what would be so special about the things I just mentioned? Not to mention, later games use these silly moments to fit THEIR tone and game. Forcing these shenanigans into this pre existing story while not changing anything to accommodate said changes just creates a tonal clash, hence why most reject the newer action packed cutscenes.
Glad to hear you liked the video 👍
Some good points made in perhaps the longest comment I've had on a video. I'll try to get back to you properly at some point in future once I've had time to process.
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@@PlayerAlert Now that's how you respond to negative criticism, tell em thank you and to subscribe 👍👏
Right, I've slept on it and am ready to reply! First off, no worries leaving negative criticism, this is UA-cam after all and everyone is entitled to their opinion. There's a difference between constructive criticism and just being a dick :)
Regarding the new mechanics, you're right, saying "just don't use them" is not exactly a great defence for the game, but personally I never really found them to be THAT game breaking. Yes, they certainly make certain areas and bosses easier i.e. Ocelot boss battle, but tbh I find the mechanics even make MGS2 relatively easy too. And that's not me trying to boast, I just find MGS2 to be relatively easy overall (still an amazing game). Of course, they naturally fit better, considering the game was built with the mechanics in mind, whereas retroactively adding them to MGS1 was always going to be more difficult. I actually think MGS3 did a much better job of adding those mechanics, while remaining a pretty difficult game. In response to why bother playing the remake if you're going to ignore the mechanics, I still think there's a few reasons to play the remake including the updated graphics, the new cutscenes, re-recorded voice performances, the new, albeit inferior, musical score and general gameplay feel (like how smooth movement feels in comparison to the OG).
In terms of how better graphics is a positive, well I think if it gets them to dip their toe into the MGS series at all is good enough for me. Let's face it, the PS1 era hasn't held up too well graphically, seeing as it was part of the 1st generation to go fully 3D. A friend of mine played the OG MGS recently after I recommended it and he ended up not having a great experience, as he just found the graphics (and mechanics) to be too dated. It was sad to hear, but I guess if you don't have the nostalgic attachment, then it's harder to look past. In hindsight, I wish I directed him towards playing The Twin Snakes instead.
With regards to capitalising on the Matrix trend, well Kojima is a huge cinephile and tends to pay homage to various films throughout the series i.e. Snake Plissken as the inspiration for Snake, Snake's Terminator-esque landing on the tanker at the start of MGS2, the Bond-esque inspirations in MGS3. Plus, it's been reported that it was Kojima who asked for the cutscenes to be re-done in Kitamura's action style, which I imagine could have also been influenced by the Matrix fever of the early 00s, especially considering Kojima was a fan of the film. Does it feel a little out of tone compared to the original? Sure lol, but considering the MGS series is renowned for being cinematic, I can let is slide and enjoy the fun :) I will say that the influences in other games are certainly less obvious though, which allows MGS to maintain its own unique identity.
And finally, regarding the silliness of MGS, I like your points there. I think I was just trying to point out that MGS is known to be silly and goofy at times throughout the series, so I can accept the silliness thrown into The Twin Snakes.
Anyway, I think that covers everything, my fingers are aching after that! Not sure it'll make my points in the video any better for you, but I appreciate the watch and engagement regardless :)
@@PlayerAlert the other thing I needs to ask is what's up with your footage of the original in the video? Maybe I need to look at it again but it looks great, in fact better than the game normally does yet it doesn't have those awkward smoothed textures games from that era get when you emulate them and the graphics are upscaled. Something about the color looks darker
@@MrRed88 He’s probably playing on the DuckStation emulator. I highly recommend it for playing MGS1.
The FPS aiming, the ledge hanging, the roll, and the hold-ups are ALL OPTIONAL
So even if people think it breaks the game, and if they think it makes things too easy...they can just not use it.
The #1 complaint about this version that makes the least sense to me, by far. You can't complain about optional mechanics ruining something, because you can just NOT USE THEM, and then they won't "ruin" it for you.
Because having to handicap yourself by avoiding CORE GAMEPLAY MECHANICS which are selling points on the back of the box by the way) is the optimal way to play a game and a sign of good game design right? Seriously how was what you said it defense of the game and not a reason as to why it fails instead? If your only suggestion is to just not use these things and play the game like the original then why wouldn't people just play the original and by extension why does the remake even need to exist? This is such a bad argument and people really need to stop throwing it out there. Imagine if you throw all the abilities Mario has in modern Mario games into the original super Mario Bros.
@@MrRed88 You are so butthurt I can't even process this.
The Metal Gear Solid games, for the most part, and especially culminating in 5, prevent loads of alternative methods of approach and playstyles to successfully complete an objective.
I spent the entire time with MGS5 using the tranq guns, D-Dog, and CQC. I didn't use heavy artillery, or ever call in the helicopter gunship to bomb anything.
GUESS I MISSED OUT ON A CORE PART OF THE GAME BECAUSE OF THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO ME
You Twin Snakes haters are such shmucks, I swear to God
Are you mad about being able to turn off the Soliton radar, a core gameplay mechanic, which is advertised on the box, or do you realize that it's AN OPTIONAL THING and move on with your life?
@@mightilyoats2729 obvious strawman argument is obvious😆🤦. How is MGS5 having multiple strategies of achieving a goal the same as a single dominant strategy that slices through the game? None of the things you mentioned break the game. Also when was the soliton radar ever a selling point on the box😆? Are you that desperate that you've resorted to making up nonsense?
The issue isn't that there's more than one way of achieving the goal. The problem is there's a single overwhelming dominate one that there's no reason not to use and not using it makes the game nothing more than just the original game with better graphics. Nice try strawman.
@@MrRed88 "no reason not to use."
Except because it breaks the game and that bothers you, but it's optional, and I imagine you have the impulse control of an irate toddler
@@mightilyoats2729 I like how you couldn't counter a single thing I said. Why even reply at that point? You keep saying "it's optional" like that means something.😆
This game was released 3 years after MGS 2, on a much superior Gamecube (twice as powerful as PS2), and still it look worse that MGS2!
It is crazy to think about, guess Silicon Knights just weren't as skilled in the graphics department as Kojima Productions
@@PlayerAlert
Unfortunately :( mgs 2 and 3 have incredible graphics
Twin Snakes was definitely easier to play than the OG version, thanks to the new mechanics. I played it after MGS2 and then MGS3 Subsistance, which introduced the 3D camera. I was able to finish TS on hard twice, so I was able to earn both the bandana and stealth camo.
It must have felt a lot more natural playing it after MGS2&3, as the mechanics are mostly the same. Nice one on completing it twice on hard mode!
This is so much more playable the original.
The fanaticism didn’t bother me as a teen….
Agreed, I love the original and still think it plays fairly well, but Twin Snakes just feels smoother and more modern (as it should being a remake).
I tried TS but just could get through it, not because of the cut scenes or the better "different" graphics, I played the original so much that I memorized all the main dialog, hearing the new one was jarring enough to make me stop. I will try it again sometime.
There is a mod to swap out the OST to the original. It’s not complete but it makes a big difference.
Good video👍🏻
Oh nice, I'd love to try this! The OST is so much more atmospheric in the original
The first person aiming definitely made it trivially easy. I have a problem not taking shortcuts like that when it gets tough. Had I played this version first I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much. But as a remake to revisit I enjoyed it.
I loved TTS and I grew up on playing MGS1. I just hate when people use the complaint of "over the top cutscenes". Every MG game has some whacky cutscene or over the top theme. MG parachuting down into a building (or jungle in the NES), MG2 Metal Gear blowing up the bridge, injuring your team, MGS2 Vamp, Seal Team 6, Snake jumping into the Hudson River twice! MGS3 Eva flip kicking Ocelot on a motorcycle. The whole series is not realistic at all.
I think TTS improved on the alert phase quite a lot. Enemies actually search for you after an alert phase and clear whole rooms out or search lockers.
The choking mechanic is fixed that it wont glitch out when you try to choke a soldier. Also it's harder to accidently flip an enemy instead of choking, or visa versa
The tripwires in the tank hanger csn be shot, which I hated the camera on MGS1 since it's nearly impossable to see them.
The voice acting is so much cleaner in TTS. In MGS1 it had an echo the entire game as well as traffic noise in one instance.
I'm glad they changed Mei Ling's VA. First generation American with an extremely sterotypical Chinese accent? The VA change from the DARPA chief instead of Grey Fox's was better and less confusing.
I just think people are very nostalgic, I know I am. Good video though
Honestly disagree bud takes all the seriousness and nostalgia out of the game and if there was to be a remaster I feel it would need to strictly keep the principals of the original game
No problem, thanks for checking out the video :)
It would be great if a remaster allowed you to switch soundtracks, as the original is definitely superior
As someone with only a Gamecube in my teens and as a fan of the series I would have been shit out of luck without Twin Snakes. Played the hell out of it and just ignored the sillier alterations.
Loved this game back in the day. Played it over so many times, same like the PS1 version prior. It’s easier to play if you Homebrew hack your Wii or WiiU to play GameCube games off an SD card!
As a Nintendo kid, this was my introduction to the series, and I absolutely loved this game. Had no clue there was a PS1 game, until later.
And I think with the more over-the-top tone of this game, experiencing MGS2 wasn't so jarring for me.
Nostalgia time:
This game came out at a time when I was craving more mature games, but all I had was a GameCube. I was going to rent Splinter Cell, but the video store didn't have it, but they did have Twin Snakes. I went on to rent this game for several weeks in a row (got me through hard times as a kid). I've went on to be a big fan of the series, though I've still never played that original PS1 version. I still found Twin Snakes hard, having never played stealth games before.
I also ended up renting Splinter Cell and didn't really like it lol. I'll have to try again one day
It's cool to hear the perspective of someone whose introduction to the series was this game! Must have been quite nice not to have any knowledge of the original game for comparison and just experience this game as it is :)
That being said, I'd still recommend checking out the original, as it is a fantastic game.
I love how crazy the cutscenes are lol I played this game instead of the original on my modded Wii U
Ahaha yeah I love the craziness of them too, especially the fights between Snake and Gray Fox
Why did they make Otacon a bumbling fool?
Also Sniper wolf's death is so much worse in TTS.
There's one thing you left out about TTS. I'm pretty sure you probably left it out because you don't want to spend a half hour talking about it. You kinda briefly addressed the fact TTS didn't have a major rerelease or different port. But I think it's worth talking about here.
The original MGS didn't come to North America til 1998. It first released in Europe or Eastern countries as MGS European PAL Edition. This version featured a harder version of Extreme mode, Two hidden codec frequencies, Two bonus costumes. One for Meryl. The other for Grey Fox. And another disk containing over 300 VR missions.
It did eventually come to North America but was rebranded MGS Integral. And it's pretty pricey from what I hear. Though I'm fine with the version I have without purchasing the Integral version. MGS2 also had a rerelease of this too. MGS2 Subsistance. Now that version I did own. In fact the original version, Subsistance version of 2&3, And the HD collections with full Trophy support.
But unlike them versions, TTS didn't have any such rerelease. No VR missions, No harder version of Extreme mode, and less replay value compared to the original. I'm not saying it's bad for not including that. It's perfectly fine. Just that I play the original because of what all it has to offer. Not even the Dog tag system can save Twin Snakes.
Anyways that's all and I thought you should know. So you let me know what you think. I'm curious if what you think of this topic.
I'm still waiting for a remake/remaster/something for the original Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and maybe Snake's Revenge.
I'd go for a full remake with MGSV engine of the first 2 metal gears for the MSX
Blue codec calls were fixed ages ago. You have to change a single setting in the emulator.
Wish I knew this sooner! 😂
I love it. I still have it to this day
I think people might mix the words bad and ridiculous. This is the game that got me into the series. Right after this one, I played MGS2 and MGS3 back to back. So I love it!!
It is indeed bonkers. I prefer to think of the cutscenes as retellings on the legends, discussed between two guards somewhere.
-''And then, he jumped onto a missile, and uppercut the chopper. I swear it!''
Twin Snakes better in my opinion.
*People keep forgetting You can play GC games on Wii too!! Not waste money or time to buy a Game Cube which is a lot of money now* 🤓
Pretty amazing that they made the Wii back compat actually
I’ve been replaying all the games in chronological order and picked the twin snakes of the two, I liked it, I get the criticism of the cutscenes being like the matrix but what wasn’t at that time. I still enjoyed everything about the game.
I like the Twin Snakes and the original equally, I think the MGS community just gets salty for two reasons. One, because of pure nostalgia for the original and two because it was exclusive on GameCube, if it was on PS2 I bet they would of had a different opinion.
Anyone who says twin snakes is a bad game is wrong mgs1 is just better narratively and atmosphericaly
Very much agree. The atmosphere in MGS is amazing. Although I prefer MGS Twin Snakes isn’t a bad game at all.
The GameCube was ahead of its time..
The whole jumping of the shark point was where Solid jumped over a rocket fired from the Hind D fight scene. It was some Matrix crap but other than that I sort of liked the remake of MGS. And yes, I am saying the Hind part is worse than the whole Psycho Mantis room scene.
I genuinely burst out laughing every time at that part, as it's so ridiculous! I remember thinking it was cool as shit when I was younger though XD
Woah, woah, woah! Spoiler warning! Cyborg Ninja is Grey Fox?!
*Frankie Jaegar*
My bad! 😂
Mgs1 is like a restaurant steak and TTS is a Maccas burger
I'm still baffled by the reasoning, or lack thereof, as to why Mei Ling's original accent was problematic.
I hope this game gets a proper, not emulated, Master Collection port so that atleast Modders can change stuff like the OST and some of the lines to conserve some of the original PS1 emotions. Perhaps people can make a "RE4 HD project" overhaul type that not only remasters the game, but also change some of the cutscenea to make them more authentic to the original spirit of the game
One can only hope!
If only theyd remaster this game on the switch...
I just want all games for pc, is that to mutch to ask? I have no experience with this emulator stuff...
Agreed, it sounds like Konami are finally getting ready to announce some big MGS stuff this year, so hopefully PC ports are a part of that
I'm the first to come out in bad mouth the company if they f****** on a remaster or a remake ask for this one there is nothing wrong with it I don't know why people get so upset about it and I had the original game the first week it came out me and my friends played the crap out of it everybody was having fun with it I love it it's a masterpiece the Remake Twin Snakes is fine nothing wrong with it the only thing they could have done is put option for the aiming in first person mode and yes the ocelot revolver fight is way too easy besides that the game is fine it's awesome stop bitching everyone
While it’s not terrible I definitely prefer the og game, like even down to it’s graphics I just prefer how the characters look, the twin snakes model look off to me and I also like more the voice acting of the original, it’s more grounded and better acted
i think the cutscenes in the twin snakes are over the top for a reason, for example the jumping on the rocket takes me out of the narrative which reminds me, the audience, not to take this game so seriously and not idol worship snake or kojima. i love the twin snakes and i think alot of the hate this game gets is from people wearing nostalgia goggles.
I just hope and wish that this game re release on the Nintendo Switch. With better frames and good high quality textures.
This is my dream!
Honestly i love both if I'm ever doing a metal gear solid replay of the series I'll mgs 1 ps1 on pcsx1 then mgs2 and 3 on pcsx2 (side note If you use an emulator especially on mgs 3 if you are using a ps4 or 5 controller or xbox change square/X to L2/LT and circle/B to R2/RT since mgs3 uses pressure sensitiv buttons and unless you know how to connect a ps2 and 3 controller to a pc) anyway I'll play through mgs twin snakes on dolphin (again to fix the blu codec in dolphin go to graphics then hacks and turn of "store xfb" and "immediately present XFB" and then mgs4 on ps3 the metal rising on ps3 and ignore mgs5 since Konami ignored to finish it
So I own both versions of MGS1 and I’ve always said the PS1 original is practically perfection. So being able to play it redone with a Sons Of Liberty-type engine, I was pumped.
True this ends up making the game easier with aiming, and there’s things that were brought from MGS2 that to me seem like a waste, like the hanging from ledges, getting dog tags, or stashing bodies in lockers. Those didn’t seem to really need a use.
My biggest gripe is the ‘Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon’ cut scenes. Grey Fox, that’s ok, that’s his character. But why can Snake do these spectacular things in a cut scene, but can’t even jump in gameplay.
My 2nd gripe was the controller. ‘Hold A + Start’ for the codec, or ‘Hold B + Start’ to pause/map. They should’ve just had Start to pause the game with a map then choose codec or resume. That was irritating
Other than those 2 issues, still very good, not the PS1 masterpiece, but another good way to relive the adventure
Graphically MGS was very striking, nothing else of its era looked anything like it. It is dated but I will always have a super soft spot for ot
The twin snakes is underrated in my opinion it seems mgs 1 on the ps1 gets more love from fans compared to the game cube remaster twin snakes which makes sense as a lot of different design choices were made however my main issue that I have with some fans is the gate keeping when it comes to how someone should experience metal gear solid 1. I think any new fan should experience this game however they like i remember when I played mgs 1 on my ps1 and I struggled a lot so I took a break from it and booted up twin snakes on my GameCube and guess what I beat the game so I went back to play the game on my ps1 and I beat the game on that console I would say twin snakes allows a new player to get a grasp of the mechanics and it just helps when the graphic quality is higher res as well so you can spot things easier. Both versions are fantastic in there own right but for my case twin snakes made the ps1 version feel more accessible.
Didnt the VA’s not get paid/ hardly were paid to redo their lines? If i recall, Konami/ Kojima sicked their lawyers on them to fuck them.
Serious question is, can a non-MGS player start with TTS, or do I need to start with MGS 1?
Technically, it's the same story, so you totally could. But I'd try to play both at some point :)
You can. No reason not to
I've been a Fan of the Franchise since the MGS1 for the original Playstation.
But I wasn't entirely satisfied with The Twin Snakes Version, it wasn't good enough.
I like it, there's just a lot wrong with it: The visual looks dark compared to the Original and MGS2 that I can barely see.
Some of the glitches kill the game: The camera near the stairs in the tank hangar always spot you no matter what you do, except if you use Chaff and if you get spotted even once you always get Alert 3 times, even if you Reset the game or die and exit.
And some of the cutscenes are ruined: the Original cutscene with the tower bridge was dramatic. After the bridge gets destroyed the Hind appears and Snake runs toward the handrail where you're supposed to use the Rope, but in Twin Snakes after the bridged is destroyed a metal debris flies towards Snake, Snake chucks a Grenade at it, WALK TOWARDS the handrail where you're supposed to use the Rope, the Hind appears and there's NO MORE DRAMATIC RUNNING!
And in the cutscene where Gray Fox dies, why does Snake scream his name before he gets crush?
Apparently another reason why the dialogue was rerecorded was due to Jeremy Blaustein's fault for changing Mantis's last words during his death.
Kojima intended for Mantis to say "It's strange... Such a nostalgic feeling." because it was supposedly to give him nostalgia of his mother giving birth to him, but when working on Metal Gear Solid: Integral, Kojima found out that his work was being changed, so he cut ties with Jeremy since and had to hire a new translator just to a literal translation.
Don’t forget you can play it on the Wii if you have one. Just need a GameCube controller.
I didn't know this game had such high scores ngl. With the port collection coming I've been seeing all these people asking for this version of the game to be ported as well and being fairly new to the mgs fanbase I just heard everyone hated it. Seems it was just a vocal minority cause I really like Twin Snakes as well lol I will admit some cutscenes go a little crazy but it's nothing too weird I mean this is MGS and weird stuff tends to happen and imo it's more then worth it for the better graphics/gameplay
Yeah, it seemed to have been received pretty well with reviewers at the time, but has slowly developed a bad rep over the years.
I can recognise the flaws that people bring up, but I just don't care enough to make me hate the game. It's a fun game to play through :)
I recently went through every mgs title via emulation save for mgs5 on pc but even in 2021 mgs1 was such a blast to play through and see how cinema in games started all those years ago. I almost played twin snakes but ended up going with the OG mgs1 due to some videos bad mouthing twin snakes but after this video I think I might give it a try. Awesome video man keep it up id love to see more from you
Thanks man! Appreciate the positive feedback. I think it's definitely worth trying out, even just to see the differences from tbe OG game. Would love to hear your thoughts on it after you've played it :)
This game was…..extra….
Twin Snakes was almost all around inferior.
Original sound and grittiness of the levels make it feel more genuine. I enjoyed twin snakes, but the new music and the level design being "too clean" gave it less realism to the original. Like the original heliport felt like it was cold by looking at it on ps1.
Twin Snakes is fun and over the top, thats good enough for me.
Agree. Love for both.
Even though I'll forever love MGS1 on the original PS1 and I'm on the minority when I say, but I do prefer playing The Twin Snakes lol yeah it's sucks there's no vr training and the new music is kinda meh. If they did a hd remaster, just add the ability to switch soundtrack and have the ability to go First person disabled during Ocolet's boss battle, then it would be perfect lol
I'm kind of in the same boat. Absolutely love the OG, probably my favourite game of all time, but I love the way the gameplay feels in Twin Snakes. It just had that smoothness which MGS2 brought to it.
This was my first MGS game, I loved it back then, I didn't had anything to compare it to, I only played the original years later with Spanish dub (which I oddly loved), I found the original very enjoyable as well, both are different versions of the same game. You could say, TTS isn't the original vision but acting as if the entire series isn't over the top anime bs is being disingenuous, lol.
I still have my original copy but I'd rather just emulate it.
Oh, and BTW, there is a mod for the original's soundtrack for dolphin, look it up.
I need to try that OG soundtrack mod!
Good video, I am not the biggest fan of TTS tbh, I think in terms of atmosphere the original beats it by a mile, the graphics are obviously technically better, but it is missing a lot of cool post processing effects that MGS2 used a lot, everything looks a bit too clean, etc, I like the original soundtrack much more, the original feels much more misterious and haunting, not talking much about the cutscenes because that was the point of makin them different, even tho I do think they went a bit far.
Things I did like about it were making the backtracking much shorter, the script was much more feithfull to the original japanese one and obviously having the gameplay from mgs2 was fun even tho it wasnt really well balanced for MGS1.
Blue background on codec calls can actually be fixed. Quick google search should be able to do it.
Good to know! I need to look this up
@@PlayerAlert Yeah there's an HD texture pack you can get too which really cleans up the game. I played it with that and some bug fixes when going through the game for the first time. Still prefer original mgs1 but Twin Snakes was a really fun experience to me.
Who said it was bad? Its the definitive way to play the game
I like it too, but it's definitely looked down upon, sadly