Should You Be On Stand Before Daylight And If So How Early
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This video talks about what time you should be on stand int he morning. Should you be on stand before daylight and if so how early? Follow along and find out my opinion.
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Lol yours giving away all the secrets ! 80 percent of the deer I've shot were between 10 and noon the rest were between 3pm and closing time. During the rut it can be anytime of the day but even then that 10am to noon seems to be magic. 👍
Agree 100%
I agree 100%. I get in my stand minutes before shooting light
works best for me too.
I agree with this whole heartly ! shot my biggest bucks late morning. I always try to hang my morning stands before I want to hunt. a couple days before is great. You cant always do that if your on hot sign . thats why its so important to be quiet and it way easier to hang a stand with even a little light.
Agree 100% and congrats on your biggest buck!
About midnight is perfectt. Dont forget a pillow!
I love getting in the woods at least an hour before sunlight just for the sake of being there in the dark and quiet. My version of meditation
Nothing wrong with that at all! Definitely peaceful and relaxing.
I try to get in about 20 mins before first shooting light. While our scent won't dissipate, we do make noise that they can hear for about 100 or so yards
Nothing wrong with that approach. 20 mins is perfect to cool down and get into the zone.
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Greatly appreciate this. Glad you are enjoying the vids. Any questions on any of it just ask!
Hunting on pressured public land, my dad always say “idc when we get there, we just gotta get there before other hunters get there” because we don’t wanna walk a mile 1/2 with all our gears just to see someone flashing their flash light at us lol then we’re gonna have to turn back or go somewhere else lol
Your dad was a smart guy and that game plan is rock solid. Better to be there first
I love watching first light happen. I get there an hr before first light
Awesome. Glad you also enjoy the things most people over look like the woods coming to life at first light.
Great advice. Well said!
Thank you
Very good advice Jason. I have been drifting season by season to your line of thinking that it's better to get to a spot during grey light and just use as much time in the spot for maximum hunting time exposure. I have been following the noon rule and say for sure it's better than getting too early and down by 10 am. Elimination of wasted hunting time is key.
Staying until noon is a huge benefit. Now I will clarify I'm always in the spot and on stand by legal shooting light unless I'm going in blind in the morning and need grey light to help me pick the tree do to shooting options etc. But when I say I'm on stand before legal light I mean like 10 to 15 mins before. I dont see the benefit of being there any earlier.
Totally agree. I think where the an hour before daylight comes from is the people hunting 'trophy' deer, apposed to younger (way more palitable) deer.
I get in the stand about an hour before daylight only cause I like to be alone in the dark listening to the woods... but I can sit in stand sun up till dark.. always have been able to
Nothing wrong with that at all. And I know what you mean about enjoying the peaceful quiet of the predawn.
So great video and totally on point advise!!! In an area with no pressure I agree whole heartedly. I hunt heavily hunted woods and I like to get into the woods 20-25min before light purely cuz most guys get there and head in right at 1st light a bump deer as they walk in. I get in early to take a different longer route in so as to not bump those deer where most guys enter the woods. Also I hunt ME and old temps are the norm I do pack a couple extra things in but mostly for my tops so even though I maybe down to tee shirt on top I usually have heavy layers on bottom so little earlier allows for a nice long stroll so I don’t sweat. During Sept and Oct bow seasons I try to be setup right as legal hours start. I used to be early by an hour or so but truthfully it really sucks to be sitting in stand 45-1hr ahead of light and have a shooter buck walk right by you and all you can make out is his horns glistening in the moonlight. I’d rather not know he walked by early!!!
great tactics and well said. appreciate the comment!
I was thinking about this exact thing this morning in the stand waiting for daylight.
Glad to see you were on stand on a Friday morning!!!! That so much better than being at work!
I appreciate all the info you're willing to share and candidness!
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Great tips.
Thanks!
Good video!
Thank you
While I appreciate all your ideas. My favorite thing about your content is your courage of conviction. keep going!
Thank you
You have a lot of good tips in your videos, especially being safe in a treestand like wearing a safety harness etc..., But please, put on your seatbelt.
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Couldn’t agree more.
I completely agree. It takes at least 30 min. for the sun to come up all the way for you to be able to see good. I get in there right before first light, which is roughly 30-45 min. before u can see (depending on cloud cover) through your peep sight. Plus, who wants to be in there an hour before first light, which is 1.5 hrs. before u can see good when it's freezing!
Agree. Especially when most people only hunt 2-3 hour sits. Why not get there right before legal shooting light and sit for 3 hours then witch is an extra hour longer during legal light then they were doing.
I like hunting to my stand at first light . But I'm not using a climber or sticks . They are well established stands that produce very well
Sounds like you have a system that works great for you.
I like to bring two thermoses with me. One has chili, the other has hot water. Can keep you in the stand well past lunch time in my experience.
Yep love the thermoses! For me it boiling hot chocolate and then around the 3 hour on stand mark when I get chilly it warms me up and the about 3 hours later It will still be got and warm me again. It let's me wear less layers!!
The older I get the more I start to realize that anytime in the woods is the best time. Anything can happen you just have to be in a stand
Could not agree more! My wife laughs when I go out and hunt from noon to 2pm because that all I can spare that day. Amazing how many deer I see in that time frame and even if I did not see anything, still great to be in the woods.
@@SamkoTradBow My very first sika deer went down at 4pm.
Thanks for the info great video
Thanks!
You're welcome
My experience is it's all about the location.
I enjoy your videos. Keep em coming. Check out my first 2 videos. I hope that you like them. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
I found a great spot with persimmons on the edge of a small pond but its in public land I get in my spot at like 3 in the morning but only so I can beat the other hunters to a good spot
Thats a good way the get there first! Sounds like a hot spot. Good luck and fill that freezer!
@@SamkoTradBow thank you if i get a deer it'll be my first ever. Im actually leaving in a couple hours to be in the woods for the weekend so I got my fingers crossed. I'm in texas and we just had a small cold front come in so I'm hopeful!!
@@Bg66648 good luck! Hunt hard and have fun.
I just get to my stand when I get there. The only reason I need to be early at all is if other hunters are nearby, and I don't want to reduce their chances by walking around too much in broad daylight.
Thats a solid plan for sure.
I second the insulated bottles, most of them are good at least 12 hours hot, 24 cold.
Yep sure do make stand time more comfortable
That makes a lot of sense
The hour on the back end of a morning sit is way more valuable than the extra hour in the dark on the front end.
@@SamkoTradBow can't wait to get in the tree tomorrow. Then I have Monday off and the last two full weeks of this month! Good luck can't wait to see how you make out in Kansas
@@jhuntley575 sounds like some great hunting time coming up for ya! Good luck and be safe!
@@SamkoTradBow thanks
I have always thought having to use a flash light going to your stand or once at your stand will do far for damage to the woods then going in after light enough to see. Plus you will naturally be quitter if you can see where your stepping.
I use a flashlight everytime in and out. Never had a problem and have walked up to 20 yards of deer and they are just memorized by the light and can't see me. I wait for them to walk off and then I continue. It's also a safety thing on public. My light is on in dark and great light so I dont get shot by a careless hunter thinking I'm a deer. It happens every single year here in Michigan.
John I agree with you, after years of sitting in the dark for an hour and tripping over things and trying to find your stand, I started walking in at gray light where the suns not up but you can see.. where I hunt the deer don't usually show up until after 8am anyway.
Only time i get in and setup that early is early in our bow season when i hunt a doe staging area on public land (when they are meeting up to head to bedding), and usually by 7:30-8:00 i'm dragging out a doe. I only do that once to avoid messing up the area. And the morning staging area changes year to year, depending on which (and if) acorns are dropping, so you gotta do a couple of observation mornings to find exactly where they are.
Excellent strategy! Glad its working great for you. And very smart to not wreck it by over hunting it. Well done.
I stopped the getting to my stand an hour before shooting time 8 years ago, there are to many people that shoot at noise.
Good point and why I always use a head lamp in anything other than full daylight. Dont trust alot of the people out there
I think what time to be in your stand can depend on what time you expect deer to be at that location. One consideration is how you have to approach your stand. If you have to walk thru the travel corridor where the deer are going to walk thru, you probably need to get there way earlier than when you expect them to come thru. I try to avoid crossing deer approach trails if at all possible. I have seen deer come thru easily an hour later, hit my back trail, immediately lock up, do a 180, and leave.
I do think deer are less alarmed by NOISES they hear IN the dark than noises they hear DURING daylight, i. e., you can get away with more disruptive noise in the dark. Having said that, long sits in the dark may, or may not be that productive, and yes, I have shot several deer AFTER 10 a.m. especially in medium to heavy cover, open woods or fields, not so much. Keep the good tips coming.
Well said
I agree to an extent I wouldn't go to my stand after sunrise if I could avoid it but I don't believe you need the hour or so for the woods to "settle" down. My experiences I tend to see good movement at first light then it calms down till mid morning. Especially if there are other hunters in the area leaving there stands around 10. I don't know how many I have taken that was pushed to me by another hunter leaving their stand.
Exactly. I am always on stand before first light. But they to make it where I only have to be on stand for 10 mins before legal shooting light. Also have killed a ton of deer pushed by hunters coming and going. That 10-3 time frame is actually the best time of day during our gun season.
I am 180 degrees opposite of this thinking. Seeing so much more movement here in New York before the Golden Hour. If your walking in at light, you have disturbed the area till the next day.
I never said walk in at first light or miss any legal shooting light on stand. I said I like to be on stand 15 mins before legal shooting light not an hour before legal shooting light. I would never recommend waiting until after legal light to walk to your stand.
Game lands around here most of the time especially rifle season you have to get up extremely early not to let the woods calm down but to beat everyone else to where ya wanna go.
Makes sense in heavy pressure areas
More times than not in those types of areas it doesn't matter if your there or not. People will walk in on you anyways.
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I’ve thought about drinking coffee or hot coco while hunting too but they just smell so strong. Although I always try to hunt with a favorable wind I would hate to get busted by my cup of coffee
Never been busted because of hot chocolate that I know of. But I love some hot chocolate on the stand and so it almost every morning once temps get below 35 in the mornings.
Doesn’t matter if you smoking a cigarette or using ozonics, if they down wind of you especially a old doe or old buck then they got you
I'll admit that you do have a point with how early you get into the woods and on stand. For me as I am still new to tresstand hunting, I usually START walking into the woods an hour before daylight. I time how long it takes me to get to my spot and how long it takes me to get into the tree. With my climber, it takes me 10-12 minutes getting fulling into the tree. I take my time so I don't make mistakes. Now granted, this will be my second year hunting from my LW Hand Climber 2. I will also be using a XOP Vanish. I will have to get used to setting the sticks and the stand. I've been going up the tree when daylight breaks and I can't recall much difference in deer movement getting in early or when day breaks. Your points do offer a few things to think about.
That is exactly what I do. I like to be in just getting into my stand about 5 mins before legal shooting light if I can. Sometimes I can not and dont think it makes much difference. But if I can that is my plan.
This is good reasoning, but the reason that I always want to get in the woods early is so that I don’t bump anything near my tree on the way in that would normally be close to or at least within 50 or 100 yards of my tree.
Take last week for example I was walking in the woods at 3:30 PM and before I could make the first dogleg from a 1200 m walk there was a doe standing at the end of the cut trail staring right at me and she was headed towards my stand. After a five minute stare down she turned around and went back to where she came from.
I did not see a single deer that evening and I think that had I walked out a half an hour earlier that deer and probably three or four other deer behind her would have traveled down that trail near my setup.
The same thing goes for the morning if the deer are out eating and they don’t start walking back to bedding until around the hour before sunrise to an hour after sunrise...if there’s no one walking in the woods, you stand a better chance of having the deer be undisturbed.
I’m just as guilty as everyone else of walking in the woods and being ready to go right at shooting light or 15 minutes before or after.
But it kills me whenever I spook a deer, bump a deer, or hear a deer blow while walking in or setting up.
My very first deer ever killed was in George Washington national forest and knowing I could never walk to my hunting spot I set up a tent and I slept there all night.
When I woke up, I broke down the tent and sat on a rock on the side of a hill and killed a beautiful eight point buck
No noise walking in.
Good points. I bump deer all the time as well in the mornings. But those deer are in feeding areas and they just watch me walk by without care or they jump 25 yards and then stare at me as I walk by. But no matter as I'm not hunting there just walking thru on my way to hunt close to bedding areas. But like you said if you are hunting a feeding area in the morning. Might want to get in a little earlier.
I used to bump deer before dawn, but now I go when it's light and I still hunt my way to my sitting spot. Instead of the deer running off and not having a shot, I could kill most I see.
Love your videos Jason but I disagree with you 100% on this one. Especially in high pressure areas. one of the tactics I use quite a bit is to slip in far before daylight and set up on escape routes where I know the people that come in right at daylight and just after daylight will spook deer towards.
I think you miss understand what I mean. I mean get on stand right before shooting legal shooting light. Not an hour before legal shooting light. No sense sitting there in the pure darkness for an hour when you can not legally shoot and have deer bust you there. You should always be on stand for the Crack of legal shooting light if you can
@@SamkoTradBow I often get on stand near bedding 2 hours before daylight..... I can count on one hand the deer that have busted me as I am waiting.... But like any stand careful thought on approach, travel routes and wind/thermals has to be considered. I have actually had deer on numerous occasions come into the bedding and bed down within 20 yards 30 yards of my stand daylight comes there they are.
@@davetoms63 sounds like you have a good system. For me, I'm not getting on stand more than 20 mins before shooting light. And for most people they can only tolerate x amount of hours on stand. If that number is 4 they would be much better spent spending 3.5 of those during legal light rather than 2 or 2.5. But again everyone is different. I'm not getting up at 2am to be on stand at 4an for a 6am legal light.
The only time I try to be at my tree one hour before daylight is opening day of gun season. This is for safety more than anything. People have itchy trigger fingers on opening day.
Great point. That makes great sense. I have not been home for a gun opener in 15 years so I sont know much about that day but hear the stories.
Hey Jason, just love the videos, always learn something, have a saddle right now, did one season in it, your videos on the Beast Stand almost has me getting one. Picked up a heated vest have way thru last season, it works great, your opinion?
I have always wanted to try a heated vest for hunting. I had one I used for outside winter weddings and it worked great. never hunted with one yet though.
@@SamkoTradBow the one I have lasts about 6 hours, little bulky but worth it,
can get extra battery if you need,
keep up the videos, have a great summer
@@arthurcarstens that would work perfect on the stand!
I'm so glad you did this video Jason, because I have to agree with you about getting in at first light as opposed to going in an hour before its light! Although I've bumped a few does going into my stand this FALL at first light, I rarely see any deer before sunrise! And most of my deer have been taken around 8 AM to 10 AM, with a couple at 11 or so. I don't do as well later, but have taken a few at dusk. Do you use that Columbia jacket as your mid layer?
I use the Columbia as an outer layer. I don't wear camo. So that ascended jacket is a great wind resistant water resistant outer layer for me
@@SamkoTradBow I wasn't aware that you didn't wear camo even though I've watched some of your bag dumps! Well you're saving a lot of money because all of my bowhunting buddies are all buying SITKA! And even on sale, they're paying way too much $$$$! I use layering and for very cold weather my go to is an old, somewhat heavy, but warn CABELA's Super Slam coat & bibs! Works for me.
@@boomerrangerron yep don't need crazy fancy stuff to hunt whitetails. But if it gives them confidence and they like it that great. Me I hunt in what ever I'm wearing that day..lol
So do you plan to be in your stand by grey light, or first light right in the morning?
Always there about 10 mins before legal shooting light. In stand and ready to hunt.
I'm just programmed... 45min ahead of daylight..minimal
nothing wrong with that and such a peaceful beautiful time to be in the woods.
So situationally depended to say one way is best in any situation of deer hunting.
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I have hunted a 400 acre public parcel for 20 years now. It has a river, streams, swamp, CRP, and open hardwood. I always hear to hunt by bedding in the morning. Over the 20 years I have seen deer bed everywhere on the property. How do you narrow down bedding to a specific area? This morning I seen a mature 8pt and a doe bedded 10 yards off one of the main entrance trails. Thank you for all of your videos they help a lot of us out.
I think this makes a lot of sense, I rarely see anything at first light... 3 weeks ago I got to my stand late, right at sunrise. when I got into the stand and settling in, I looked down to see a 8 pointer looking up at me.. he hopped back into the woods before I could do anything.. So yeah, spooked him... but 10:00 am I took an 11 pointer. So, even if you bump something, there is no guarantee it is the deer you are looking for. the best deer I have gotten have been past 830am (East Texas)
Keeping warm... Put a air activated body warmer under your hat.
I do in the winter and it works great. Excellent tip!
i agree...and make more noise in dark. spook deer u dont see and might get a shot. i see more deer 9-11 than 1st light
Agreed
Let’s clear the air, if you are setting up a climber the go early but if your stand is already set then yeah slip in right before light. Obviously you don’t set up your climber at shooting time
When I say be on stand 10 to 15 mons before shooting light I mean all set up stand hung, bow in hand, arrow knocked etc. That doesnt take into account walk in time or set up time. I think you should always be set up before 1st light. Just not an hour before.
No worries Ithe content is good
My opinion is set up trail camera and go to stand when they are not there. That's the right time to be at stand.
Every state/place is not the same.
Where I hunt deer bed down where ever they are at the time. No specific bedding areas.
Just woods and Breyers every where.
Not hunting farmland.
Generic answers don't work for everywhere.
Jmo
Deer move alot right at sunrise that's why you get in an hour before sunrise
Yep. The video is not about sunrise. It's about legal shooting light (or daylight) witch is always a half hour before sunrise.
I was wondering about this. I'm a new hunter but I'm thinking you need a flashlight to get in your stand in the dark so it seems the light is also broadcasting where you and that you're there and you're more likely to make a more of noise because it's harder to see.
Yep always have a light! Use it every day hunting
Hot coco in the morning does a lot more than heat your body up. It’s a fantastic turd pusher.. in my opinion that isn’t the greatest idea lol
Hahaha. Not had that problem yet. So I'm sticking with the hot chocolate...lol
Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast Hahahaha you’re a lucky man!
Mmmm. Hot chocolate does sound good.
Best thing on a cold morning!
The sweatshirt your wearing has a White Eagle on it which is the national coat of arms of Poland.. are the bows Polish?? Once again great video and advice, same advice my hunting buddies have been telling me.
Steve turay the bowyer that makes northern mist longbows is polish and uses that symbol as his logo. Glad you liked the video!
Deer come back to bed at noon?
Yes quite often on hot early season days. They take advantage of the cooler mornings, bed around noon or 1 and dont move again until after dark and temps drop again.
Yes
Do you hunt private or public?
only public. Have not hunted anything private in many years
@@SamkoTradBow me too my friend
Dude. Put on your seat belt!
Lmao! Mind ur buisiness dude!
Have to be in stand an hour or so on public land. Let the late guys push them in
Thats all I hunt is public. But you still can't shoot until legal light. So I definitely agree with you being there early enough to be settled and let the late guys that come in without a flashlight at day break push deer by ya.
Good advice. I would wait till maybe a 1/2 hour before sunrise before setting out. This way I’d be able to hunt like like 15 min before sunrise.
I would also hang worn under shirts out in the woods for a few days before I’d go out. This way my scent is already in the woods. Everything is used to it. So my fresh scent would blend in and not stand out nearly as much.
My uncle Stevie would walk through a bunch of cow manure and really cake his boots with it. Then go into the woods. The deer around him were used to the cows, the smell didn’t bother him cause he was around it all day. And the cow manure was strong enough to easily cover his scent. He was sitting on a log and a deer walked up to him and was nosing his back once. I guess it didn’t recognize his outline as a human and the cow manure made the deer think he was a cow.
Love the creative thinking. Glad it works good for you. That thinking outside the box really pays off!
I’ve killed 80% of my deer between 9 and 930
yep I can count on one hand how many deer i kill in the first hour of daylight. the 10-2 time frame is my favorite.
I appreciate your opinion on the subject, but respectfully disagree. Here are two reasons why... First, if you are hunting a buck bed or near one those bucks tend to get back to their beds early, like right at shooting light, and could be close to the bed meandering around before laying down and if you get in their too late you bump the buck off; Secondly scent does dissipate and I've seen the results of when a deer comes across your "fresh" scent (less than an hour) vs over an hour later. Deer have and will detect fresh scent, over an hour deer don't notice.
Glad you have good reasons why you go in when you do. In my neck of the woods bucks enter thier beds from down wind so you never hunt a buck bed in the morning. And here with all the pressure any deer that huts your scent trail at 10 mons or 10 hours is gonna freak out. Looks like where you hint is different and glad you have adjusted accordingly to take full advantage.
@@SamkoTradBow The common notion that bucks always or most of the time get down wind of things, beds, food sources, etc., has been proven wrong. Bucks will do that at times but not always and there are many many hunters these days that hunt buck beds with great success. In fact it has become a bit of a fad because it has proven to be so effective at harvesting mature bucks who seemingly go nocturnal. This alone dispels the myth that you can't hunt in or near buck beds because they always approach downwind. As for scent being left behind. I hunt what is arguably the most highly pressured state there is in PA where any buck 3.5 years or older is very weary and hard to hunt and like I said I've seen the results of how scent dissipates with time.
@@duanehensley8835 just goes to show how different places can be yet be so similar in pressure. I hunt northern Michigan also arguably the most pressured place to hunt. I have very different deer behavior here than what you are seeing. I also see the same in many of the other states I hunt. But most importantly is that you have found a system and tactics that work for you. For me and my experience it's much different behavior than what you are finding. I have never once seen a buck enter his bed from anything other than down wind here. And I've watched it happen probably 100 times and I have also probably 100 times watched deer hit my trail a couple hours into a sit and they bail.
@@SamkoTradBow Geez! Sorry your experience has been what it has been with hunting buck beds. There are plenty of guys who hunt public land in Michigan who have consistently killed mature bucks from in or near their beds. So, I don't know how they are doing it without getting busted. One guy named John Eberheart gets 25 to 30 feet high and swears by ScentLok suits, but there are others who don't go to that extent and have been successful, so go figure. :)
@@duanehensley8835 yep know john well and his tactics. He hunts destination food trees and primary scrape areas. I dont personally know anyone sitting within biw range of a buck bed in the morning. Afternoon all the time, but not in the morning. If there are people out there doing that cool. Just not a tactic I would ever use. I'd hunt the leg of thier j hook in the am and do that successfully quite often.
Get in early, your wrong!
Thanks
Disagree.