Can I compare this experience to a fun house, a candy store or a roller coaster ??? Maybe a bit of all three. Thanks for this delicious conversation !!!
Well, there’s not a lot of forest left to retreat into in Australia. It’s not about escaping from the world to attain enlightenment, nor is it about an individual’s personal salvation. Salvation has to be collective since everything is connected. The self-made man is a convenient myth that serves only to diminish our circle of care. We are connected backwards in time, and contain our pasts, just as we are also connected in every moment to what is happening now. Looking for me, I find me me in you, and you in me. No you without me; no me without you. We are. I am through you. Really love these discussions.
I have enough of a comment to write a letter, so I will, a brief one. Short version: All the evidence I need of a cosmic Indra's web and nudge from spirit realm, the fact I discovered Tim's work only 10 days ago, and without reading any of his books felt 100% compelled to learn from him brings me to this fabulous discussion of Whitehead's work I've been curious about for years since I learned ANW is actually in my family tree, though not blood relation. I am going to review the complexity of the connection and try to explain it in an email. I also want to study philosophy now to help me further understand some of my own life experiences. A bit of pushback on the idea that spiritual awakening is not possible for those living in lower rungs of Maslow's hierarchy. My greatest awakenings have occurred precisely there.
Thanks again T!m! I recently saw Dr Paul Maxwell describe that feeling of self-actualization and belonging, that 'I am here' moment as not so much an insular security as throwing open the doors to your life like you are 'open for business', and I thought of you and your unividualization.
Excellent discussion. Hearing that others have these moments of supreme significance, which transcend other experiences, brings some sanity to my mind, as often wonder whether there are others who feel and see as I do, with a similarly meaningful baseline for one's worldview.
Some of the things you guys are saying resonate with me in the way that I sense a meaninglessness that pervades our materialistic and mechanistic world. And in that lies beneath, deeply hidden a sense of nihilism which perhaps can be overcome by overstepping the confines of self consciousness and thus free one self from egocentrism, anthropomorphisim and even theocentrism. My own exploration into Buddhist, Zen and the Kyoto School of Philosophy gives me some understanding that only when we understand ourselves to be thoroughly personal and at the same time thoroughly impersonal, fully living and at the same time fully dying, completely being and at the same time completely nihility - only then can we reconcile science and religion and the problem of nihilism. Nishitani's interpretation of God which sort of lends itself to pantheism but is more close to absolute nothingness/sunyata in the way that God who remains as God, apart from the world, is not a true God, but by virtue of unconditional love, God empties himself and takes the form of man and nature. Thus "God is not God; therefore, God is a true God". For Nishida, God is always and forever an expression of a relationship between the individual and reality. God as " the absolute of being", " God as an absolute self-negation", "God can no longer exist apart from consciousness that relates to God than a metaphor can exist without language". Some musings of what I picked up from this very good conversation.
The Kyoto School is so important for us, especially The West, as Vervaeke says "to Awaken from the Meaning Crisis". I am only scratching the surface with Nishitani Keiji but already immensely fruitful
Have you looked at the work of Donald Hoffman for a new scientific paradigm integrating cutting edge mathematics and consciousness? He had really interesting chats on Buddha at the Gas Pump and ZDoggMD. His theory, proven through maths, is the end of Space Time and the birth of Conscious Agents.
I just wanted to say thank you for these conversations Tim, they feel like the absolute cutting edge.
Brilliant conversation. Thanks for these Tim they're all so good bro
Telling a glastonbury local about the burning man conciousness is priceless.
Very good talk again Tim.
Thankyou
Ready for round 2 boys
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Can I compare this experience to a fun house, a candy store or a roller coaster ??? Maybe a bit of all three. Thanks for this delicious conversation !!!
Well, there’s not a lot of forest left to retreat into in Australia. It’s not about escaping from the world to attain enlightenment, nor is it about an individual’s personal salvation. Salvation has to be collective since everything is connected. The self-made man is a convenient myth that serves only to diminish our circle of care. We are connected backwards in time, and contain our pasts, just as we are also connected in every moment to what is happening now. Looking for me, I find me me in you, and you in me. No you without me; no me without you. We are. I am through you. Really love these discussions.
I have enough of a comment to write a letter, so I will, a brief one. Short version: All the evidence I need of a cosmic Indra's web and nudge from spirit realm, the fact I discovered Tim's work only 10 days ago, and without reading any of his books felt 100% compelled to learn from him brings me to this fabulous discussion of Whitehead's work I've been curious about for years since I learned ANW is actually in my family tree, though not blood relation. I am going to review the complexity of the connection and try to explain it in an email. I also want to study philosophy now to help me further understand some of my own life experiences. A bit of pushback on the idea that spiritual awakening is not possible for those living in lower rungs of Maslow's hierarchy. My greatest awakenings have occurred precisely there.
Thanks again T!m! I recently saw Dr Paul Maxwell describe that feeling of self-actualization and belonging, that 'I am here' moment as not so much an insular security as throwing open the doors to your life like you are 'open for business', and I thought of you and your unividualization.
Excellent discussion. Hearing that others have these moments of supreme significance, which transcend other experiences, brings some sanity to my mind, as often wonder whether there are others who feel and see as I do, with a similarly meaningful baseline for one's worldview.
Some of the things you guys are saying resonate with me in the way that I sense a meaninglessness that pervades our materialistic and mechanistic world. And in that lies beneath, deeply hidden a sense of nihilism which perhaps can be overcome by overstepping the confines of self consciousness and thus free one self from egocentrism, anthropomorphisim and even theocentrism. My own exploration into Buddhist, Zen and the Kyoto School of Philosophy gives me some understanding that only when we understand ourselves to be thoroughly personal and at the same time thoroughly impersonal, fully living and at the same time fully dying, completely being and at the same time completely nihility - only then can we reconcile science and religion and the problem of nihilism. Nishitani's interpretation of God which sort of lends itself to pantheism but is more close to absolute nothingness/sunyata in the way that God who remains as God, apart from the world, is not a true God, but by virtue of unconditional love, God empties himself and takes the form of man and nature. Thus "God is not God; therefore, God is a true God". For Nishida, God is always and forever an expression of a relationship between the individual and reality. God as " the absolute of being", " God as an absolute self-negation", "God can no longer exist apart from consciousness that relates to God than a metaphor can exist without language". Some musings of what I picked up from this very good conversation.
The Kyoto School is so important for us, especially The West, as Vervaeke says "to Awaken from the Meaning Crisis". I am only scratching the surface with Nishitani Keiji but already immensely fruitful
So entertaining....this makes me smile....what is life?.. I ask what is death? concepts, concepts & more concepts😂❤️
Have you looked at the work of Donald Hoffman for a new scientific paradigm integrating cutting edge mathematics and consciousness? He had really interesting chats on Buddha at the Gas Pump and ZDoggMD. His theory, proven through maths, is the end of Space Time and the birth of Conscious Agents.
I don't know his work.