@Harry Engel Defensive lineman collect stats and get recognition for them. OLs are overlooked because they collect no measured statistics themselves, they just enable everyone else on the offense to get theirs.
@Harry Engel not defensive linemen as a whole. Just interior guys. The tackles get no love mostly the ends. Because those are the main pass rushers and disruptors. Same with Olinemen but even less. Tackles get a lot of attention because they block ends.
Everything you want in an offensive lineman in terms of talent, intelligence, and character... that's Anthony Munoz. Then, he gets probably the most technically sound offensive tackle to ever play in Forrest Gregg as his coach. It was lights out. Jeez, Munoz looks like a million bucks right now like he could still play lol.
I remember meeting Randall McDaniel when he came to Minnesota as a rookie. He had the physique of a bodybuilder although a very large one. Perfect proportions and no fat. He became my favorite player to watch when the Vikings were on offense. He was the most efficient offensive linemen that I have ever seen, especially on the sweep. He just mowed people down.
No matter how much football has changed over the years one thing will always be true: Games are won and lost IN THE TRENCHES!!!! Linemen deserve way more love than they get
Makes you wonder if you had both, who will you play on the left side? (The left tackle is the "prestigious" position cause you have to watch the QB's blind side, and if you can't keep your opponent's best edge rushers at bay, your team is in trouble. Most QBs are also right-handed, so naturally, positions are mirrored for a lefty QB.)
@clot shots True, thats one of the Pro's & Cons of playing for that 90's Cowboy Team... They were Good, Cocky, Confident. But they were reckless, partied, and stayed in trouble.
Joe Thomas was the most dominant offensive lineman of this generation, he didn’t miss a snap until year 11, he made 10 pro bowls and was all pro 9 times. Yet they had a guard from the 30’s who was smaller than a modern DIII guard over him... makes sense 👍
Go look up what a o-linemen could do back then. Couldn’t extend their arms and couldn’t grab the jersey, all they could do is keep the man in front of you by mirroring them.
Cesar Barajas I know they couldn’t use their hands but when it’s the NFL all 100, I want the 100 best, and I think it’s just a disservice to leave the best offensive lineman in this generation off this list for a guy who got to play before they integrated
Bobby Miller yes they were smaller however I want the 100 best players represented, and I have a hard time believing a guy who played before integration would be better than Joe Thomas, the most dominant offensive lineman of this generation
Three players for consideration: 1. Joe Thomas - 10x Pro Bowl selection! I’m a diehard Steeler fan and I can’t deny the greatness of Joe Thomas!!! Should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer!!! 2. Dermontti Dawson - 7x Pro Bowl selection! Best center in his era and was inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame!!! 3. Alan Faneca - 9x Pro Bowl selection! The best offensive guard of his era!!! Should be in the Hall of Fame by now!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Harry Engel That’s a tough question!!! Love both of them!!! But if you force me to choose, I’ll take Mr. Webster over Mr. Dawson!!! I’ll place Dawson at guard along with Faneca!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Before the Steelers signed Chuck Noll as head coach, they were a laughable franchise!!! They were bottom-dwellers every year!!! History is always written by the victors!!! So Super Bowl winners are always remembered and talked about!!! After the Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in the 70s, they had a Super Bowl drought for over 25 years, until they won two in 2005 & 2008!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Unless a player puts up crazy numbers or plays so far above everyone else, they will not be noticed especially if they play for a mediocre team, which the Steelers were for most of their early history! During his time with the Steelers, Rod Woodson only appeared in the Super Bowl once and lost (thanks Neil O’Donnell)!!! Mr. Stautner, I believe, was the only standout player from the Steelers during his era, who played so well that he could not be ignored by his peers!!! I still believe that winning and winning Super Bowls, specifically, makes people remember you and talk about you!!! Losing and losing consistently makes players forgettable!!! Bettis or Harris? How could I not vote for the guy who capped off the greatest play in the history of the NFL, The Immaculate Reception? Well, it pains me to do it, but I’m taking Bettis over Harris!!! If I had my way I’d have both of them in there!!! But Bettis to me personifies the type of football that I like to watch the Steelers play, and that is smash mouth football!!! Harris can play this style as well, but Bettis is made to highly succeed with this specific style!!! Damn, Franco Harris & Jerome Bettis in the same backfield!!! I can only dream!!! Actually, I wouldn’t have them on the field at the same time!!! I’d have either Tim Lester or Dan Kreider running lead block for either Bettis or Harris!!! Oh yeah, smash mouth football, you gotta love it!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Honestly Dawson did things that Webster never had a prayer of doing. I never saw Webster make the kind of pulls as a center that Dawson did. Just a remarkable athlete.
Watch him against Aaron Donald this season. If you can get the tight copy OMG. It was a war. A beautiful bloody brutal war. Q got the better of it too. They started moving Donald on passing downs but if they left Q uncovered he would kick back with his head on a swivel going "where the #^^# is he."
They needed individual spots. 10 best centers. 10 best tackles. Also should've just had 10 random guys, fullbacks, long snappers, some special defensive guys. I think they should've separated tip 100 first 50 and last 50. I know they did 50 and 75 years but simultaneously doing the 2 halves would've been cool. A whole top 100 of the old guys from Bill would've been awesome. Him geeking on players was the real highlight of this show!
@@tchoupitoulos And Leon Gray? He doesn't matter? Also, no, Steve Grogan, their QB, rushed for over 500 of those yards, so they didn't have 3K. And that still proves nothing. There's a reason Munoz was only 1 of 2 offensive linemen *unanimously* selected to the NFL 100th anniversary team. And no, the other one wasn't Hannah.
Max Montoya was a solid lineman beside Munoz for years. Those two are why Cincinnati kicked ass with Kenny Anderson as a QB in the 80's. A little or big reason Chris Collinsworth ever caught a pass and was just a little better than he really was.
Man the good ol days I remember Walter,Ogden, Orlando pace they was the best tackles in the early 2000s then got to see guys like Joe Thomas & Tyron Smith.
The 1985 Chicago bears DE Richard dent had an incredible season helping the bears make their way to a super bowl and a super bowl win and became super bowl MVP on top of that. And he was voted first team all pro. He was on top of the world and it seemed like nobody could stop him. Then he went to play in the pro bowl where he lined up opposite somebody he had never met before Anthony Munoz. After the game Richard dent was asked what he thought of against Anthony munoz. He answered I couldn't do anything with that guy.
Mike Webster grew up about a mile from where I have my 2nd home in the little "berg" of "Harshaw" Wisconsin. In fact, the field at Rhinelander HS is named after him. He was "Northwoods" strong. Harsh winters up here mean a tough breed. Cutting and hauling firewood was just a part of growing up. Along with shoveling 100" of snow....he probably didn't need a weight room until college.
Randall McDaniel started 202 straight games as a guard. 9x First team All Pro. 12x Pro Bowler. All of the Viking players on this NFL 100 are all under appreciated. Paul Krause was robbed of being on this list. 81 interceptions (most of all time)
I also wanted Joe Thomas to be there especially in studio to hear his knowledge about o-line play but obviously you need some team success to be selected also.
I was a friend of one of these men in 9th grade. I used to always try to watch him instead of the QB or the back with the ball. And he just dominated, play after play. He recovered his team's fumbles forced some fumbles after interceptions. And his long-snapping was as reliable as it gets.
You could tell something happened with Dallas's offensive line in 91 when the stats of the triplets skyrocketed. The 90s cowboys offensive line is underrated.
Larry was awesome. You do realize that Emmitt had already won 2 Super Bowls and 3 rushing titles before Larry was drafted. Rarely did the Cowboys have the same starting 5 for each season during those years.
John Hannah's 1978 Patriots team until last year had the single season team rushing record, and it was only broken because the Ravens had a QB run for 1,200 last year. Over 3,100 yards, and they didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher. O-Linemen don't really have stats to go off, but that is the end-all-be-all of stats as far as an offensive line goes.
I'm happy they included Dwight Stephenson, people regard him as one of the greatest centre's ever, even though he didn't play more than eight years due to injury
According to HOF scout Ron Wolf the 2 best LT's in the Hall Of Fame are Jim Parker, and Art Shell. You can find him saying this on Art Shell's Top 100 players of all time list here on UA-cam that was made in 2010.
To think that some teams wouldn’t select Anthony Munoz because of the concern over his knees. Incredible to think that some teams pass over incredible players for some reason.
Greatest offensive line in NFL history Anthony Munoz Cincinnati Bengals from 1980 through 1992 what could imagine Anthony Munoz play offensive line for Tampa Bay Buccaneers Final Chapter 1993 NFL season and Jonathan Ogden play for Cleveland Browns 1996 NFL draft under Lindy Infante
Jeff Saturday should have been on this list. To help Peyton Manning under center and coordinate just as much as he did, to me has went unrecognized. He was just as smart and great of a player
I'm 62 & I recall a gentleman who played for the Colts named Him Parker.6'5" " 3 00 lbs.that was huge in the 50-60s.and he was really dominate.could play today's game.
He could probably play dead better than some guys today. Dig him up, Bears'll take him ! I know at least three guys he can replace right now. Just throw him a roll of tape !
I love the story that Jim Burtt of the Giants told about playing his first game against Mike Webster. He said that after the game you could have fit three of him in his jersey. Mike had held him so slickly the entire game and hadn't been flagged for it once. That is why Jim played with his jersey cinched so tight the rest of his career.
O lineman is all about selflessness You’re willing to do all the dirty work, never show up on the highlight reel, while everyone watches the ball, you’re getting in there man against man EVERY SNAP, and when your teammates score, you’re the first one to get the thank you, and when they get down, you’re always ALWAYS there to pick them up like a brother.
Obviously great players will be snubbed and really it's all about perspective. Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, Will Shields, Dan Deirdorff, Willie Roaf, and many more could have easily made the list. They should make a list of the best 20 players from each position to include more names. That's something I'd love to watch. Fyi I probably didn't spell some of these guys names correctly.
Offensive line are so so so ultra important to your team and yet they are always underappreciated. At least Defensive lineman collect stats and get recognition for them. The only time you hear a broadcast mention a O-Lineman is when they commit a penalty or give up a sack.
Madden said it best…..”If I could go back into coaching and I could take one guy with me, I’d take that guy (white 73)”…….Best guard I’ve ever seen, Larry Allen.
Thomas is the greatest of the last decade, for sure. Guessing his terrible team with rotating QBs hold him back because he never played in any big games like the greats listed. Plus linemen are judged by the stats of QBs/RBs, which isn't fair when those bust QBs and no name RBs mostly do nothing.
@@chadog900 well, the Browns have had a few decent RBs. The only problem is they never stuck around for one reason or another. They had Jamal Lewis, Jerome Harrison, Peyton Hillis, and etc.
@@derpmcgerp8062 Yep, I did look up the stats before posting. Jamal Lewis was on the tail end, had 2 1000 years, but when you have 2000 in 1 year in Baltimore, everything else is average. Peyton had that 1000 year, was on the Madden cover, then ended up on a milk carton. Harrison never had 1000, but that's on the coaches for never truly committing. Joe Thomas and Calvin Johnson did the right thing leaving when they did, those franchises are hopeless.
@@chadog900yeah, Peyton DID have a good year... then he left. Harrison's career tragically ended because of health complications (he did end up getting surgery and recovering, which is a cool story, but of course he was done with football at that point). Lewis may not have been great for the Browns specifically, but he was decent.
After Anthony Munoz and John Hannah, I think that Forest Gregg might be the best offensive lineman of all time. Anyone that can pancake Deacon Jones and get that sort of praise from Lombardi is a legendary player. 🙌🏽
Demarcus Ware, in the top 10 sack list of all time, finally beat Walter Jones for 2 sacks. It was the last game Walter Jones played due to injuries he was suffering from at the time and Ware has noted that might've been the difference. Because normally "Big Walt" would stone lineman and was not usually a step slow. "I’ve never played against another offensive lineman like Walter Jones. The first time I saw Walter on film was before we played the Seahawks my rookie year. He was grabbing guys and throwing them to the sideline and dumping defensive tackles like they were nothing. I was like, Oh Lord … who is this guy? Usually, at the snap, an offensive tackle will kick back and cut off the pass rusher’s lane to the quarterback. But Walter Jones would turn and run with you. He could do that because he was athletic enough to do it. He was like 6-foot-5, 325 pounds, and he could run with just about anybody off the edge. I saw one report that said *he ran a 4.67* in the 40-yard dash at a predraft workout. When an O-lineman runs a sub-5.00 40, people say he’s fast. If that’s the case, Walter Jones was lightning."
Man Joe Thomas I feel should be here. He was the only good player the Browns had during those years. Pro bowler each of his first ten seasons. Only missed one which was his very last season and still holds the most consecutive snaps record to this day with over 10,000. Man was a real anchor for the team and the city.
There are so many greats you almost can't go wrong, but that said you could also make a case for someone else at each position. My First Team starting line is; RT. Jonathan Ogden RG. John Hannah C. Dwight Stephenson LG. Larry Allen LT. Anthony Munoz If I made 2nd, 3nd and 4th teams there probably would have the following in no order. Tackle---- Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas, Willie Roaf Guard---- Randall McDaniel, Bruce Matthews, Will Shields, Gene Upshaw Center---- Mike Webster, Dermontti Dawson
That was cool to hear tony hear him talk about being excited to see another Latino in the game. I'm with the others saying Munoz is the greatest O-Lineman of all time. Here in California Latinos make up some of the most dedicated parts of our fan bases and the games in Mexico City are always insane. I'm for Mexico City getting an NFL team before London.
Fun fact: During a press conference a couple of years ago Bill Belichick couldn't remember who played Left Tackle for the Pats in 2000, his first year as HC of the NEPs. The player? 6 time Pro Bowler Bruce Armstrong in his final season. And it wasn't like he just couldn't remember his name - he simply had no recollection of who it was.
I believe Jim Parker was the first PURELY offensive lineman voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Prior to that many players did double duty between offense and defense (the legendary Chuck Bednarik, for example). Parker was the old-school Larry Allen. All-Pro at guard and tackle.
I grew up watching Hannah. Not one game went by without him clearing out a d lineman, linebacker, and a d back on the same play. Saw many a player make a business decision and get out of the way.
Love the respect for these lineman, hard to make a list and include everyone that should be on here. I will put my 2 cents in on who isnt on the list, my guy is the guy they named the Pancake block after....Bill Fralic!!!
Goodness, you could shove dozens of top shelf guys on this list. Slater, Pace, Yary, Mix, Kramer, Thomas, Hutchinson, Boselli, Faneca, Dierdorf, Dawson, Roaf, Langer, darn near the entire Washington line of the early 80s, etc...
All these guys were incredible players. But I’m most impressed by the raider damn 3 all time greats on the same team at the same time. No wonder they won more games than anybody in the 70s. I’d be scarred lining up against that bunch lol
Hannah exploded and got to a second block as well as any garden in NFL history. The 78 Payriots with Hannah and Leon Gray held the recordfor most rushing yards in an NFL season for decades up until Lamar Jackson's Ravens finally topped it. Even with all those years where they had played extra games that they didn't in 78 and the record still stood. (They also said that record without a single 1000 yd rusher having 4 players over 500 yds - including QB Steve Grogan - and a 5th player with 391yds. Overall the team averaged 4.7 yds per carry and Hannah was responsible for many many of those yds)
John Hannah #73 of the New England Patriots Career Accomplishments New England Patriots (1973-85) 10x All Pro selection 9x Pro Bowl selection NFL Players Association's Offensive Lineman of the Year award 4 straight years from 1978 through 1981 Pro Football Hall of Fame selection
Hannah was a monster. People talk about Larry Allen's monster pulls, but Hannah would literally collapse the entire side of the defense when he pulled.
Every clip I've ever seen of Hannah, defensive players are flying straight backwards and dropping like bowling pins, sometimes 3 guys on the same play.
My fantasy o-line: Left tackle: Anthony Munoz Left Guard: Alan Faneca Center: Mike Webster Right Guard: Larry Allen Right Tackle: Johnathan Ogden We will do what we like to you and you will thank us for the privilege.
Would have liked to see Steve Hutchinson and Will Shields make this team. Hutchinson and Walter Jones were the main reason Shaun Alexander got on the cover of Madden and after Hutchinson left for Minnesota he immediately became an average running back. I know a sportswriter who worked for the KC Star back in the day and he told me that Will Shields was probably the best overall football player on the field for over half the games the Chiefs played in his career but only real football minds ever noticed.
Walter Jones went to the Pro Bowl more times than he committed holding.
David Banuelos I would like the comment but it has 69 likes so I won’t mess it up
Clive Barry not anymore
Damn
The same cannot be said for Jason "The Bodyguard" Peters.
Oh wow
Offensive line men deserve more love
Exactly I play right tackle it's not fair
@Harry Engel Defensive lineman collect stats and get recognition for them. OLs are overlooked because they collect no measured statistics themselves, they just enable everyone else on the offense to get theirs.
@Harry Engel not defensive linemen as a whole. Just interior guys. The tackles get no love mostly the ends. Because those are the main pass rushers and disruptors. Same with Olinemen but even less. Tackles get a lot of attention because they block ends.
They do get love from the coaches , Offensive linemen > Running back
Yessir, they are the Heart and Soul of any offense
The offensive line deserved a lot more love than what they gave them here. These guys are the core to the game.
Literally
Fax big dawg
Munoz getting Forrest Gregg for a coach is almost unfair to the rest of the league.
Everything you want in an offensive lineman in terms of talent, intelligence, and character... that's Anthony Munoz. Then, he gets probably the most technically sound offensive tackle to ever play in Forrest Gregg as his coach. It was lights out. Jeez, Munoz looks like a million bucks right now like he could still play lol.
Jonathan Ogden and Larry Allen were lineman of my generation
Walter Jones was better
For me it was Joe Thomas
Larry was the greatest left guard of all time.
@@KTF0 Of the Top-21 Offensive Lineman in NFL History, Jones was ranked 18th, Ogden 3rd and Allen was ranked 2nd.
@@asmodeus1274where was Orlando pace ranked
I remember meeting Randall McDaniel when he came to Minnesota as a rookie. He had the physique of a bodybuilder although a very large one. Perfect proportions and no fat. He became my favorite player to watch when the Vikings were on offense. He was the most efficient offensive linemen that I have ever seen, especially on the sweep. He just mowed people down.
No matter how much football has changed over the years one thing will always be true: Games are won and lost IN THE TRENCHES!!!! Linemen deserve way more love than they get
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Ogden was such a mammoth. Such an underrated player of all time. Him and Munoz are the goats.
Bruce Armstrong.
Ogden Was Just a Monster of Man
6'9 300+ that's two O Linemen in One
Makes you wonder if you had both, who will you play on the left side? (The left tackle is the "prestigious" position cause you have to watch the QB's blind side, and if you can't keep your opponent's best edge rushers at bay, your team is in trouble. Most QBs are also right-handed, so naturally, positions are mirrored for a lefty QB.)
@@Peakfreud OGDEN at RT
@clot shots True, thats one of the Pro's & Cons of playing for that 90's Cowboy Team... They were Good, Cocky, Confident.
But they were reckless, partied, and stayed in trouble.
Bruce Matthews is perhaps the best Lineman I ever seen. Could play any position. And was the total package. I haven't seen anyone like him!!!
Larry Allen, Eric Williams, Ogden, Munoz, Joe Jacoby, John Hannah so many good tough old lineman
Bruce Armstrong
Joe Thomas was the most dominant offensive lineman of this generation, he didn’t miss a snap until year 11, he made 10 pro bowls and was all pro 9 times. Yet they had a guard from the 30’s who was smaller than a modern DIII guard over him... makes sense 👍
people used to be smaller
Go look up what a o-linemen could do back then. Couldn’t extend their arms and couldn’t grab the jersey, all they could do is keep the man in front of you by mirroring them.
Cesar Barajas I know they couldn’t use their hands but when it’s the NFL all 100, I want the 100 best, and I think it’s just a disservice to leave the best offensive lineman in this generation off this list for a guy who got to play before they integrated
Bobby Miller yes they were smaller however I want the 100 best players represented, and I have a hard time believing a guy who played before integration would be better than Joe Thomas, the most dominant offensive lineman of this generation
Jordan DR.J thats not what the list is its the nfl all time team, its supposed to represent the entire history of pro football
Three players for consideration:
1. Joe Thomas - 10x Pro Bowl selection! I’m a diehard Steeler fan and I can’t deny the greatness of Joe Thomas!!! Should be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer!!!
2. Dermontti Dawson - 7x Pro Bowl selection! Best center in his era and was inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame!!!
3. Alan Faneca - 9x Pro Bowl selection! The best offensive guard of his era!!! Should be in the Hall of Fame by now!!!
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Harry Engel That’s a tough question!!! Love both of them!!! But if you force me to choose, I’ll take Mr. Webster over Mr. Dawson!!! I’ll place Dawson at guard along with Faneca!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Before the Steelers signed Chuck Noll as head coach, they were a laughable franchise!!! They were bottom-dwellers every year!!! History is always written by the victors!!! So Super Bowl winners are always remembered and talked about!!! After the Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in the 70s, they had a Super Bowl drought for over 25 years, until they won two in 2005 & 2008!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Unless a player puts up crazy numbers or plays so far above everyone else, they will not be noticed especially if they play for a mediocre team, which the Steelers were for most of their early history! During his time with the Steelers, Rod Woodson only appeared in the Super Bowl once and lost (thanks Neil O’Donnell)!!! Mr. Stautner, I believe, was the only standout player from the Steelers during his era, who played so well that he could not be ignored by his peers!!! I still believe that winning and winning Super Bowls, specifically, makes people remember you and talk about you!!! Losing and losing consistently makes players forgettable!!!
Bettis or Harris? How could I not vote for the guy who capped off the greatest play in the history of the NFL, The Immaculate Reception? Well, it pains me to do it, but I’m taking Bettis over Harris!!! If I had my way I’d have both of them in there!!! But Bettis to me personifies the type of football that I like to watch the Steelers play, and that is smash mouth football!!! Harris can play this style as well, but Bettis is made to highly succeed with this specific style!!! Damn, Franco Harris & Jerome Bettis in the same backfield!!! I can only dream!!! Actually, I wouldn’t have them on the field at the same time!!! I’d have either Tim Lester or Dan Kreider running lead block for either Bettis or Harris!!! Oh yeah, smash mouth football, you gotta love it!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Harry Engel Likewise!!! ☮️🖖🏽
Honestly Dawson did things that Webster never had a prayer of doing. I never saw Webster make the kind of pulls as a center that Dawson did. Just a remarkable athlete.
Quenton Nelson will be on this list in the next 100 years
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Darn right he's a a hole and a bully that's what I want I a oline man
Yup. And everyone knew he was going to be good.
Watch him against Aaron Donald this season. If you can get the tight copy OMG. It was a war. A beautiful bloody brutal war. Q got the better of it too. They started moving Donald on passing downs but if they left Q uncovered he would kick back with his head on a swivel going "where the #^^# is he."
They needed individual spots. 10 best centers. 10 best tackles. Also should've just had 10 random guys, fullbacks, long snappers, some special defensive guys. I think they should've separated tip 100 first 50 and last 50. I know they did 50 and 75 years but simultaneously doing the 2 halves would've been cool. A whole top 100 of the old guys from Bill would've been awesome. Him geeking on players was the real highlight of this show!
To be O-line you gotta really love the game. One of if not the hardest positions to plate but also get the least amount of praise for it
John Hannah was a beast. Best player to play the position.
3000+ team rushing yards in 1978 with ham and eggers running behind him.
Anthony Munoz.
Best all time.
Nobody even in the discussion.
John Hannah ran for over 3000 yards in 1978. The Pats running backs together got to follow in his wake.
@@tchoupitoulos
And Leon Gray? He doesn't matter?
Also, no, Steve Grogan, their QB, rushed for over 500 of those yards, so they didn't have 3K.
And that still proves nothing.
There's a reason Munoz was only 1 of 2 offensive linemen *unanimously* selected to the NFL 100th anniversary team.
And no, the other one wasn't Hannah.
@@tchoupitoulos The power Hannah had was unreal, literally one handed shoves 2 guys in a row to thier doom
Max Montoya was a solid lineman beside Munoz for years. Those two are why Cincinnati kicked ass with Kenny Anderson as a QB in the 80's. A little or big reason Chris Collinsworth ever caught a pass and was just a little better than he really was.
Larry Allen
Man the good ol days I remember Walter,Ogden, Orlando pace they was the best tackles in the early 2000s then got to see guys like Joe Thomas & Tyron Smith.
The 1985 Chicago bears DE Richard dent had an incredible season helping the bears make their way to a super bowl and a super bowl win and became super bowl MVP on top of that. And he was voted first team all pro. He was on top of the world and it seemed like nobody could stop him. Then he went to play in the pro bowl where he lined up opposite somebody he had never met before Anthony Munoz. After the game Richard dent was asked what he thought of against Anthony munoz. He answered I couldn't do anything with that guy.
Ogden was a man among boys when he played. Never saw a lineman move so well and toss defenders like ragdolls.
Except when he played against the Colts lol!
Mike Webster grew up about a mile from where I have my 2nd home in the little "berg" of "Harshaw" Wisconsin. In fact, the field at Rhinelander HS is named after him. He was "Northwoods" strong. Harsh winters up here mean a tough breed. Cutting and hauling firewood was just a part of growing up. Along with shoveling 100" of snow....he probably didn't need a weight room until college.
Randall McDaniel started 202 straight games as a guard. 9x First team All Pro. 12x Pro Bowler. All of the Viking players on this NFL 100 are all under appreciated. Paul Krause was robbed of being on this list. 81 interceptions (most of all time)
Anthony Munoz and Larry Allen were just pure monsters that eliminated people from games like nothing
What about Orlando Pace the pancake man?
You're thinking of Aunt Jemimah. She never played football. I think.
@@staubach1979rt 🤦♂️😂😂your joking right?
@@austinshoemaker246 She's known for her pancakes.
He was snubbed as well
the finest ive seen
Willie Roaf , HOF, All-Pro, Pro bowler for the Saints and Chiefs at Left Tackle.
He was a Beast, Bruce Armstrong
That awkward moment when your team passes on Willie Roaf to draft Eric Curry.
Well, at least we got John Lynch in that draft.
Joe Thomas???
& Orlando Pace smh
criminal the ironman of the Cleveland Browns who never missed a snap wasn't chosen. :(
The browns never won anything
Browns didn't win hard to say he contributed to any stat
what a snub
I also wanted Joe Thomas to be there especially in studio to hear his knowledge about o-line play but obviously you need some team success to be selected also.
It’s not his fault he was trapped in the factory of sadness tho lol. He still only ever allowed 30 career sacks which is just insane
I was a friend of one of these men in 9th grade. I used to always try to watch him instead of the QB or the back with the ball. And he just dominated, play after play. He recovered his team's fumbles forced some fumbles after interceptions. And his long-snapping was as reliable as it gets.
Larry Allen was a straight gangsta he was an important peace to the Great Wall of Dallas also help Emmitt Smith eat
You could tell something happened with Dallas's offensive line in 91 when the stats of the triplets skyrocketed. The 90s cowboys offensive line is underrated.
Larry was awesome. You do realize that Emmitt had already won 2 Super Bowls and 3 rushing titles before Larry was drafted. Rarely did the Cowboys have the same starting 5 for each season during those years.
John Hannah's 1978 Patriots team until last year had the single season team rushing record, and it was only broken because the Ravens had a QB run for 1,200 last year. Over 3,100 yards, and they didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher. O-Linemen don't really have stats to go off, but that is the end-all-be-all of stats as far as an offensive line goes.
I'm happy they included Dwight Stephenson, people regard him as one of the greatest centre's ever, even though he didn't play more than eight years due to injury
According to HOF scout Ron Wolf the 2 best LT's in the Hall Of Fame are Jim Parker, and Art Shell. You can find him saying this on Art Shell's Top 100 players of all time list here on UA-cam that was made in 2010.
In my opinion, one of the very best pulling and trapping guards was #68 for the Green Bay Packers from 1966 to 1976,Gale Gillingham. Textbook blocker.
To think that some teams wouldn’t select Anthony Munoz because of the concern over his knees. Incredible to think that some teams pass over incredible players for some reason.
Greatest offensive line in NFL history Anthony Munoz Cincinnati Bengals from 1980 through 1992 what could imagine Anthony Munoz play offensive line for Tampa Bay Buccaneers Final Chapter 1993 NFL season and Jonathan Ogden play for Cleveland Browns 1996 NFL draft under Lindy Infante
He was the best offensive lineman to ever play
good boy I agree 100%
Yessir , couple of his college teammates good ones too
Jeff Saturday should have been on this list. To help Peyton Manning under center and coordinate just as much as he did, to me has went unrecognized. He was just as smart and great of a player
Jeff Saturday in that colts offense with Peyton Manning was just unfair
Should've talked more about Walter Jones. That man was a beast.
McDaniel was a animal. I loved his blocking
I'm 62 & I recall a gentleman who played for the Colts named Him Parker.6'5" " 3 00 lbs.that was huge in the 50-60s.and he was really dominate.could play today's game.
He could probably play dead better than some guys today. Dig him up, Bears'll take him ! I know at least three guys he can replace right now. Just throw him a roll of tape !
I love the story that Jim Burtt of the Giants told about playing his first game against Mike Webster. He said that after the game you could have fit three of him in his jersey. Mike had held him so slickly the entire game and hadn't been flagged for it once. That is why Jim played with his jersey cinched so tight the rest of his career.
O lineman is all about selflessness
You’re willing to do all the dirty work, never show up on the highlight reel, while everyone watches the ball, you’re getting in there man against man EVERY SNAP, and when your teammates score, you’re the first one to get the thank you, and when they get down, you’re always ALWAYS there to pick them up like a brother.
Obviously great players will be snubbed and really it's all about perspective. Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace, Will Shields, Dan Deirdorff, Willie Roaf, and many more could have easily made the list. They should make a list of the best 20 players from each position to include more names. That's something I'd love to watch. Fyi I probably didn't spell some of these guys names correctly.
Going against these guys must have been like getting into a pushing match with a Polar Bear. Absolute beasts. Under credited.
Offensive line are so so so ultra important to your team and yet they are always underappreciated. At least Defensive lineman collect stats and get recognition for them. The only time you hear a broadcast mention a O-Lineman is when they commit a penalty or give up a sack.
Madden said it best…..”If I could go back into coaching and I could take one guy with me, I’d take that guy (white 73)”…….Best guard I’ve ever seen, Larry Allen.
Where’s joe Thomas?
IKR. Definitely gonna be in Canton here in a few years
Thomas is the greatest of the last decade, for sure. Guessing his terrible team with rotating QBs hold him back because he never played in any big games like the greats listed. Plus linemen are judged by the stats of QBs/RBs, which isn't fair when those bust QBs and no name RBs mostly do nothing.
@@chadog900 well, the Browns have had a few decent RBs. The only problem is they never stuck around for one reason or another. They had Jamal Lewis, Jerome Harrison, Peyton Hillis, and etc.
@@derpmcgerp8062 Yep, I did look up the stats before posting. Jamal Lewis was on the tail end, had 2 1000 years, but when you have 2000 in 1 year in Baltimore, everything else is average. Peyton had that 1000 year, was on the Madden cover, then ended up on a milk carton. Harrison never had 1000, but that's on the coaches for never truly committing.
Joe Thomas and Calvin Johnson did the right thing leaving when they did, those franchises are hopeless.
@@chadog900yeah, Peyton DID have a good year... then he left. Harrison's career tragically ended because of health complications (he did end up getting surgery and recovering, which is a cool story, but of course he was done with football at that point). Lewis may not have been great for the Browns specifically, but he was decent.
Offensive Lineman desevere more respect because they open holes for rbs and protect qbs so they have more time in the pocket
I was a OL in high school and I idolized guys like these, especially Larry Allen because I was a guard
After Anthony Munoz and John Hannah, I think that Forest Gregg might be the best offensive lineman of all time. Anyone that can pancake Deacon Jones and get that sort of praise from Lombardi is a legendary player. 🙌🏽
WOW PANCAKE DEACON JONES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@dwightlove3704 Insane. And be called the greatest player I've ever coached by Lombardi.
Demarcus Ware, in the top 10 sack list of all time, finally beat Walter Jones for 2 sacks. It was the last game Walter Jones played due to injuries he was suffering from at the time and Ware has noted that might've been the difference. Because normally "Big Walt" would stone lineman and was not usually a step slow.
"I’ve never played against another offensive lineman like Walter Jones.
The first time I saw Walter on film was before we played the Seahawks my rookie year. He was grabbing guys and throwing them to the sideline and dumping defensive tackles like they were nothing.
I was like, Oh Lord … who is this guy?
Usually, at the snap, an offensive tackle will kick back and cut off the pass rusher’s lane to the quarterback. But Walter Jones would turn and run with you. He could do that because he was athletic enough to do it. He was like 6-foot-5, 325 pounds, and he could run with just about anybody off the edge. I saw one report that said *he ran a 4.67* in the 40-yard dash at a predraft workout. When an O-lineman runs a sub-5.00 40, people say he’s fast.
If that’s the case, Walter Jones was lightning."
Walter Jones! That’s the man right there. Steady as a rock.
Major props to ALL the O line greats! You are appreciated and respected and checked for just as much as the other more popular positions in my book!
Joe Thomas?
Alex Math give it time he will be on the next
He's not an all time great, he just had good consistency
@@Emperor.Penguin. 10x pro bowl 7x All Pro 10,363 consecutive snaps (nfl record) that's HOF material right there.
@@gabrielrivera1221 yeah but is that all time great linemen tier? Would you honestly say Joe Thomas is the equal of Anthony Muñoz and Larry Allen
@@Emperor.Penguin. hell yeah he's on the same level as them. Larry Allen only has one ring and Anthony Munoz has none and they're in the HOF.
Bruhhhh his finger
I'm actually proud. Because my finger is like that, and I played o-line.
His finger was named all-pro as well.
Man Joe Thomas I feel should be here. He was the only good player the Browns had during those years. Pro bowler each of his first ten seasons. Only missed one which was his very last season and still holds the most consecutive snaps record to this day with over 10,000. Man was a real anchor for the team and the city.
God I love Larry Allen. If im making a team, hes the first lineman I take.
How do you beat that guy 1 on 1 when hes focused? Insane specimen.
I've said it before, if I were making an all time team, Larry is the first PLAYER I'm picking.
There are so many greats you almost can't go wrong, but that said you could also make a case for someone else at each position. My First Team starting line is;
RT. Jonathan Ogden
RG. John Hannah
C. Dwight Stephenson
LG. Larry Allen
LT. Anthony Munoz
If I made 2nd, 3nd and 4th teams there probably would have the following in no order.
Tackle---- Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas, Willie Roaf
Guard---- Randall McDaniel, Bruce Matthews, Will Shields, Gene Upshaw
Center---- Mike Webster, Dermontti Dawson
That was cool to hear tony hear him talk about being excited to see another Latino in the game. I'm with the others saying Munoz is the greatest O-Lineman of all time. Here in California Latinos make up some of the most dedicated parts of our fan bases and the games in Mexico City are always insane. I'm for Mexico City getting an NFL team before London.
Ned Mononymous depends on how safe it is with the drug wars
@@brandonorgeron143 Mexico City is much safer than New Orleans or Baltimore.
Ned Mononymous those are major cities that sell out majority of games
@@Berserker.v88 Haha and Mexico city isn't??? Mexico city is the largest city in North America and has no problem selling out NFL games
Fun fact: During a press conference a couple of years ago Bill Belichick couldn't remember who played Left Tackle for the Pats in 2000, his first year as HC of the NEPs. The player? 6 time Pro Bowler Bruce Armstrong in his final season. And it wasn't like he just couldn't remember his name - he simply had no recollection of who it was.
First two (Munoz and Matthews) both from University of Southern California
Offensive line is the most important postison in the game
Harry Engel Left tackle, protects the quarterbacks blindside
Harry Engel Center
@Harry Engel Guard. Most versatile.
@Harry Engel all as a unit, a unstoppable machine.
@Harry Engel amen brother
Jim Parker was considered the greatest guard ever and the greatest OT tackle ever
WHOOOO
I believe Jim Parker was the first PURELY offensive lineman voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Prior to that many players did double duty between offense and defense (the legendary Chuck Bednarik, for example). Parker was the old-school Larry Allen. All-Pro at guard and tackle.
He was always a major athlete. I played football and baseball with him. Crushed my curveball…
imagine being a qb and having Muñoz and Ogden block the outside rush for u
Add in Allen mathews and Webster in the interior. My god.
@@jamespallo4400 you sir jsut created the greatest offensive line ever.
Ricky Foster He created the greateat QB. The QB could not be touched. So again the O-line would not get any credit
Jon Ogden just staring through Jevon Kearse's soul as he neutralizes the blitz...got me
This is great..would like to see more shows that highlight the old Time tough guys
I grew up watching Hannah. Not one game went by without him clearing out a d lineman, linebacker, and a d back on the same play. Saw many a player make a business decision and get out of the way.
Zack Martin will be on this list he has more all pros and pro bowls than he has holding calls
RIP Larry Allen 🙏🙏
Without good blocking, the offense doesn't function properly, simple as that. O-linemen are undoubtedly the most important players in football.
My two favorite stories about Muñoz are the blocking diagram and the fingers
Shoulda showed the play where Larry Allen runs down a linebacker on an int. Never seen a big man so determined.
Love the respect for these lineman, hard to make a list and include everyone that should be on here. I will put my 2 cents in on who isnt on the list, my guy is the guy they named the Pancake block after....Bill Fralic!!!
You can make the case that Jim Parker was the greatest LT ever AND the greatest LG ever!!
No Orlando Pace?!
Goodness, you could shove dozens of top shelf guys on this list. Slater, Pace, Yary, Mix, Kramer, Thomas, Hutchinson, Boselli, Faneca, Dierdorf, Dawson, Roaf, Langer, darn near the entire Washington line of the early 80s, etc...
Larry Allen could run a 4.7 and bench press 700lbs . Yes you read that correct lol
All these guys were incredible players. But I’m most impressed by the raider damn 3 all time greats on the same team at the same time. No wonder they won more games than anybody in the 70s. I’d be scarred lining up against that bunch lol
Here after hearing about Jim Otto. That Raiders line - Jim Otto, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, are you kidding me? RIP, Mr. Otto.
I wish guys like Steve Hutchinson, Alan Faneca, and Kevin Mawae were still around the game. I'd love to hear their take on Quenton Nelson.
Hannah exploded and got to a second block as well as any garden in NFL history. The 78 Payriots with Hannah and Leon Gray held the recordfor most rushing yards in an NFL season for decades up until Lamar Jackson's Ravens finally topped it.
Even with all those years where they had played extra games that they didn't in 78 and the record still stood.
(They also said that record without a single 1000 yd rusher having 4 players over 500 yds - including QB Steve Grogan - and a 5th player with 391yds. Overall the team averaged 4.7 yds per carry and Hannah was responsible for many many of those yds)
John Hannah #73 of the New England Patriots
Career Accomplishments
New England Patriots (1973-85)
10x All Pro selection
9x Pro Bowl selection
NFL Players Association's Offensive Lineman of the Year award 4 straight years from 1978 through 1981
Pro Football Hall of Fame selection
Hannah was a monster. People talk about Larry Allen's monster pulls, but Hannah would literally collapse the entire side of the defense when he pulled.
Quietly underrated his entire career, Wll Shields.
Yeah he was a painful person to leave off the list. Would've loved to see him in a place like Seattle. Would've fit right in with Hutch and Big Walt.
Bruh where’s joe Thomas at
I remember John Hannah blowing Randy White off the line he really lit into him the running back had a long touchdown run behind that block
Orlando Pace. Best offensive lineman of the 2000s
Walter Jones was better.
@@xaviervega468 no way, he's a top 20 but Pace is top 10 . 💯
Met Randall McDaniel and got an autograph! First nfl player I met. Very nice man
Good stuff; love the old lineman. They just don't have offenses that use that grit and toughness of the line much anymore.
Anyone notice the clip at the beginning of Justin Smith on the bengals rushing Walter
After watching this I appreciate o line more
Every clip I've ever seen of Hannah, defensive players are flying straight backwards and dropping like bowling pins, sometimes 3 guys on the same play.
Amazing that the 60s Packers only had ONE top 100 player. Lombardi was a wizard.
Huh? Willie Davis Adderley Nitschke Starr Gregg all made the list
My fantasy o-line:
Left tackle: Anthony Munoz
Left Guard: Alan Faneca
Center: Mike Webster
Right Guard: Larry Allen
Right Tackle: Johnathan Ogden
We will do what we like to you and you will thank us for the privilege.
Cal Hubbard out there ending careers at linebacker 😂 3:10
John Hannah and Anthony Munoz are the best OL to ever play the game!
Tony Bosseli 🔥
Would have liked to see Steve Hutchinson and Will Shields make this team. Hutchinson and Walter Jones were the main reason Shaun Alexander got on the cover of Madden and after Hutchinson left for Minnesota he immediately became an average running back. I know a sportswriter who worked for the KC Star back in the day and he told me that Will Shields was probably the best overall football player on the field for over half the games the Chiefs played in his career but only real football minds ever noticed.
This is so amazing to me as a football fan
Orlando Pace....169 games played. 165 games started. The 4 he missed were during his rookie season.
He was as good as Ogden and Jones, playing LT for the GSOT involved lot of 7 step drop back plays, he is underrated.
My top nfl teams best offensive line all time 3. Patriots 2. Montana san fran 1. Dallas cowboys 92 93
You forgot washington
Early 70s Raiders were starting 4 hall of famers on their line