Dear FPV-Pilots.. How Do I Unlock the Juice?
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- I'm experiencing a "trick-rut" right now. To overcome this I want to dive into the world of Juicy Sbang Sbang. I really want to learn those crazy fast and snappy moves, but where do I start..?
🧃 Sbang example from RobinFPV - @RobinFPVjuicysbangsbangforlife
5'' Drone:
ImpulceRC ApexDC
Kiss Ultra V2
SpeedyBee V3 BL32 50A
Emax Eco II - 2207 - 1900kv
HQProp J37/Gemfan Sbang 4934
DJI O3 Air Unit
TBS Nano RX + Immortal Antenna
ViFly Finder Mini
On the Ground:
DJI Goggles 2
TBS Tango 2
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My observations: rates & tactile: the more gentle you can be on the stick, with a faster initial acceleration in rate curve the more sbangy/snappy you can get the look, you do not need super high max rate, but lower expo and higher center make a huge difference. Tune: very important, get your filtering right to tolerate the carnage that will ensue as you practice, then keenly focus on the pids and don’t neglect your idle speed (smaller, more responsive prop, more idle required to stay locked and spin up for quick changes). Small props, max response, but poor TWR compared to a typical prop. Offset this with more rpm and faster throttle inputs (higher kv and more snappy, precise throttle inputs). Momentum first, “drive” the quad second. Get confident in your thrust vector angles before you slide out (lose grip), momentum generation, duration etc. Basic key moves to practice to build the foundation muscle memory to do more advanced stuff; flat yaw spins at various speeds(your fingers need to know how to mix the inputs, not “you”), skating (surfing/skating the ground with precise inputs and altitude control, lower is better), eject timing. Also, higher camera angle makes some things easier and some things much more difficult to coordinate cleanly. I don’t really “fly sbang” anymore and never got that good at it, but the process of trying to learn from emulating taught me a great deal about all manner of quad craft and has significantly influenced whatever the style of flying that is emerging from my well abused quads now. Just remember to have fun and if you find yourself spending 75%+ of your flying time chasing a tune or practicing higher altitude clean horizon stuff, it may be a time to step back and go do something different… also, visual reference is key, fly low, learn faster
Dude, thank you so much!! This will really help me exploring this style. My rates are currently at 1100° but with a pretty big amount of expo.
Thanks for all the details! I'm now trying this rates: 0.53-0.79-0 betaflight or converted into actuals 60-500-0.55.
I like the amount of control on fine movements at center stick, but i'm kinda struggling on
- getting the rotation speed to be constant
- as you mentioned the "snap" on starting the rotation
- those kind of "glitch moves" like pausing the rotation for a split-second or even reversing the rotation
i tend to be more on the fast-slow-fast movements rather by snap-constant rotations
I'll try changing the rates maybe with higher input in the center will be better
I run actual rates 70/600/.10 p/r and 120/500/.0 now days but I used to run anywhere between 200-320 center, 800 max and .25 expo on p/r and 220/650/.10 on yaw. That can be a bit terrifying at first, especially with loose sticks (I keep my yaw axis kind of floppy and p/r are a fair bit looser than stock), but you get used to it. I don't recommend going crazy with stick tension unless you want more of a flow style though. Flying loose works very, very well, for a nice flow feel where you're basically always giving inputs, but for pauses on sbang moves, it can bite you in the ass big time.
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I run actual rates 1000, 1200 , 0 took a while to get used to. Now anything else feels soft.
This possible the greatest comment ever made on an FPV video
The juice will find YOU ❤
Haha, love this one!
Best fpv channel out there
Means a lot dude!👊🏻
My advice will be "just do you". Your style will evolve as you will explore the different styles of flying, juicy, flippy floppy, sbang, freerace etc... At the end your style will be a mix of everyrhing.
I agree! But I was wondering why SBang has this curtain look. Already got some great tips, can't wait to try. Will probably end up mixing it with my current style of flying.😁🤙🏻
True 👊
Oh wow, Fauve found my 'I wanna Sbang video'.😄 Thanks for stopping by!🤙🏻
Some of these things I have observed.
Tune - If you tune to the almost limit you will get locked in control of the quad and therefore it will show during your flying. I spend the time tuning everything from 9" to tiny whoops.
Rates - The more linear you rates are, you will look a little more robotic, if that is your desire. I ran them for a long time myself but it made it more difficult to shoot through gaps as it was so twitchy. I am now using more relaxed with expo.
Action camera - camera settings can also contribute to a more robotic look as well. Auto shutter, instead of use ND filters, cuts down on the motion blur so it has a certain look. I flip between the two settings.
Wow dude, some solid tips and answers! I'll look into this. Thanks you so much!🙏🏻
cool edit and nice rip! and also, I think its always good to try things outside the comfort zone.. I've been wanting to add/learn soem sbangy stuff myself, but I've never taken the time to change up the tune and rates enough... or learn the tricks for that matter🤣🤘
He thanks, appreciate that. Def don't force it, just have fun! I wasn't really into sbang untill recently. I also find it hard to follow the exact ''sbang guideliness'. When I started to do what felt like I should be doing it was more fun and progress went faster!
In the end it's freestyle, so just do your own thing and have a blast!👊🏻
Nice vlog dude. I did see a couple nice sbang moves. Thumbs 👍 up.
Thanks Rooland!🤙🏻
What i learned is, the inverted yaws look better starting with half roll, and fly without stabilisation, it remove the flickness and juicyness in my opinion.
But im not a good juicy sbanger👍
Practicing rewinds in the sim is huge. Once you get the rewinds down you can throw different versions of them everywhere. And for camera angle you can use anything but 10 degrees lends itself to sbang better I think.
Thanks dude! In my most recent video I aplied everyone's tips, super helpfull!
Yesterday I tried lowering my cam angle as low as possible without having the frame standoffs in view. This flies really nice when it comes to SBang!
I can't get used to sims tho. I know it can be really helpfull but after 5min I'm bored AF.😅
never mind the style, just be free. youve turned into a great pilot, just please yourself.
Thanks for the kinds words.🤙🏻 Offcourse I'll be myself! It's not my intention to copy/paste, I just want to explore a new style of flying and incorporate it into my current flying.😁
my advice
tune: use ultra v2 high, exp on, everything 100% (SW AF BF)
rate: try to linier rate ,, I use 1.9, 0.45, 0.03 (don't tell Krunked if I break the rules LOL)
explore and enjoy with your style 🍻🍻🍻
Ah thanks man! Great to have some Ultra V2 tips. I was thinking to go as lineair as possible with the 0.7 rate in mind, so I won't be banned from the Discord.😜😜
@@_REMIE haha lol yeah man. Try what you want, it's just reference from me,, I can't enjoy it with 0.7, feel like more expo on there even my expo rate is 0.
I was studying sbang for months. I sort of gave up though it's so hard. I got stuck on rewinds, and flying low, I just can't master those things. My rewinds are never clean I always have to over-rotate which ruins the effect. I think as far as the style goes, you have to think of your quad like it's on a spring or like it's charging up a power meter, or a fish on a fishing hook, you play it out, do arcs and then do a trick at the end of the spring. It's a lot like pop and lock dancing, listen to James brown while flying or MJ.
I think a super light drone is key, I've had my best sbangy flights with a sub250(or nearly) 5 inch racing drone 2500kv motors and 55a esc, with super high thrust to weight ratio. I think that drone could go over 100 mph if I flat outed it. but I crashed it and smoked the motors so I went for a slightly less agressive build and am having a lot harder time now.
You can totally do sbang with a slow low thrust to weight as well, I think it's just harder to get the look, or you get just like a slowed down version of the style. I saw one guy sbanging with a whoop I think and it was really interesting cause all the same moves and style was there it was just in slow motion.
I think lower or even flat angle on your camera allows you to get easier reverses and flatter inverted spins, but makes it super hard to trippy spin, I'm still experimenting with finding the right angle too.
Oh wow, thanks for this breakdown of you findings! My quad is fairly light, I don't fly with an action cam. But far from 250gr haha.
I've been practicing some moves the past 2 days. Mainly focussing on incorporating the snappy moves in my current flying, went pretty well.
I do find it hard to follow tutorials. I find it easier to watch a video and do what I feel like I should be doing. Doesn't always give the right results, but maybe is a good thing in terms of developing my own flying instead of copy/paste an other pilot.
Ok but why is nobody talking about the gap at 1:08? That was so cool! Good job on your progress!
Thanks Matei!!🤙🏻
Damn, that hammock gap made me flinch!
It took me a few tries.😅
Hey buddy. Thanks for posting this video. I found good info to try in the comments. I'm flying fpv freestyle for about 1 year myself. been looking to fly more sbangy. Since i am kinda Figuring it out on my own, this was informative. I used to fly 3D rc helis years a go. I've noticed that your scenery looks kinda familiar to mine, so my question is... where are you located? as it looks to be holland or belgium. I am from antwerp belgium. If you are anywhere close then maybe we should meet up one day. Looking at your style, i see some like mindedness 🖖🏻🤟🏻😜 keep bending props bro
He man, glad to read you also got something out of it!😁
I'm from The Netherlands. Province of Zeeland to be exact, so relatively close to Antwerp! The spot I fly at is "Grevelingendam" it's about 15min drive for me.
Feel free to text me on Whatsapp!: wa.me/message/PF5AM5V54MHDF1
Broaden your pallet where you fly. My solution was Bando's :)
But other are office parks and skate parks, don't forget to have fun.
Every one has their Sbang phase :P you'll get over it haha. Or fit it into your own style don't worrie to much about it.
Really curious about this style. Gonna chaise the 🧃. Might change my mind later, but worth a shot.😄
unfortunetally we dont have bandos in the netherlands, and the few we have are either off limits or get demolished real quick. office parks are almost always occupied here and will most likely get you the police. skate parks are an option tho i think if he has one near.
@@DaVaBro There is more bando in Holland then I thought I would be! This dude practically lives next to bando land aka Belgium haha and I know a bando 20 minute drive from his house. BTW I never got caught or had trouble by police. Always check where and when you are flying of course use your common sense, but just adds to the thrill hehe
@@_REMIE It does fit with empty space flying aka Dutch farm land haha.
Ow man. This hits me hard (im being dramatic) When i saw that some of your favorite pilots were d3b8 and phantom i knew that i would like your style. But now you are moving away from it and thats sad, there are not many people flying the abrupt style that i like. Now everything is super smooth and with music over propnoise. Its a loss for me but man, you do you, no one should care.
He man, you've been following me for a bit already so cool! I understand, I still like D3B8. The way he rips is getting unique, it's a lot of flow these days.
I still like the agressive side of FPV flying. I'm not really into the flowstuff like Bubby, Fenix, ect. Offcourse these guys are absolutely bonkers when it comes to skills. But at the moment I like watching pilots like BlackBird FPV.
I also noticed my 'style' is getting softer, that's why I like to explore the SBang style. But I understand it's horrible to watch for some. Maybe I won't like it myself.😄
Thanks for the support so far! I hope you still stick around for a bit.
I agree on those pilots! 👌
I could help if i could spang lol
It's hard!!
@@_REMIE ya think? Lol
Maybe try fast linear rates like another guy suggested
@SpaghettiFPV-tg3qh Yesterday I made some adjustments before flight. Did not go full lineair but a lot less expo and it made is way snappier. Still control with proxy stuff.🤙🏻
@@_REMIE yea i dont use expo but i run low centre rates
Its like betaflight 0.55 0.83 and 0.00