HI, I'm the author of that post on Reddit. I was suffering from 110c hotspot, literally 1-2 minutes after starting a game, switched temporarily to a different monitor (HDMI 2.1) and noticed I no longer had the hotspot issue, was high 80s Low 90s. Strange, so I switched back to my display port monitor, 110c hotspot again after like 2 minutes. So I changed the DP cable for another I had purchased from amazon and temps were normal, just like when using the HDMI 2.1 monitor. So I cut open the problematic cable to check if it had 20 pins, it did but only 19 were physically connected. That was a few days ago, but now I do see temps creeping up to 110c again (new cable and HDMI 2.1) after around 10-15 minutes, so I do think I have a faulty heat sink. Now the golden question, why did I have almost instant 110c temps with that first cable, well after chatting with an AMD employee on reddit, he thinks the original cable could have had a defect "Most likely, bad cable = higher link training settings = more power. If I had to guess. That file can confirm it if you had both cables plugged in at some point recently", I sent him a log file but didn't get analysis back from him yet.
Hi, I have only one question to this Cable-solution: Why do AIB-Partner models of those graphics cards do not have the same temp problems? I do not understand how this is only an issue for MBA-Cards (AMD Reference Cards) if its a cable related issue...
@@NatureBoy2315 The same way most reference card do not have those issues as well. There's a reason why it is called a defect, and I made this video just to state that the cables MAY be doing something, but doesn't mean other issues aren't there in some cards
@AncientGameplays yes lol. After a yr and changing paste over the yr it made the really soft pads crappy. So I replaced those with the gray puddy like pads. That's when I noticed instantly the 110c. Today I'll get the artic pads. The proper soft ones. Like blue/green ones.
Side note/ related question? I've had an RTX 2060 for some time now. But, can't seem to make the correct power draw numbers appear. I've tried driver updates and NVCleanInstalls. I've re-installed MSI Afterburner twice now. Checked X,Y, Z setting and tick box. Re-installed HWiNFO64, checked for it's readouts... Nothing there either. Could my card be faulty, or is there some stupid trick I just haven't tried yet?
If the cable was the problem, then people experiencing the problem could not mail their card to der8auer EN to reproduce the problem in his setup. So this cannot be the entire problem, i doubt that der8auer is using a Dell cable. There is a firmware upgrade for certain cables causing the card to heat up too much.
@@AncientGameplays it recommends an 800 on the amd sight as the minimum. Power supplies can only handle around 60-80% efficiency at a 50% load. Not sure which supply listed in the description is the one you used. Keep in mind they also power the rest of your system as well not just the GPU.
I am waiting for more test and infos about the display cable used. Maybe theses people switched to 4k/60Hz cables thus caping the fps generated by the card, I don't know
Der8auer made a video proving that the vapor chamber of the gpus is the problem: ua-cam.com/video/26Lxydc-3K8/v-deo.html Edit: "prove" is a little exaggerated but it's very likely, that that's the problem.
Find a bad cable with pin 20 connected and see if you can reproduce the temperature problem. Chances are you have one if you've kept included cables from a lot of monitors over the years.
If you ask me all I can imagine is a cheap cable overheating, changing voltage values as resistance increase and forcing the power controller on the GPU to swap into PCI-E back and forward and increasing power spikes and so on...
Not sure about DP but with HDMI the different bandwith and refresh options would be the best available between the monitor, cable and graphics card. There are relatively obscure parameters such as blanking time that have a big impact on the 7900XTX idle power consumption and VRAM frequency (as seen on the video "RX 7900 XTX High Idle Power / Stuck VRAM Clock Fix (CRU)" from Jo3yization. So basically changing to a better (or just different) cable also changes dozens of parameters.
This is interesting. I saw a few videos about it and it seems like this is only reference card problem, but there isn't stated what percentage of those cards are faulty. This is strange problem and I think this is probably due to some combination of small issues. Maybe some batches of cards have less cooling liquid in vapor chamber, maybe bad cables are causing card to try to pump too much power, which converts into too much heat to dissipate? This is such an controversial generation of cards with all kind of issues. We have the biggest price increase in years, problems with heat (overheating AMD, melting NVidia), too many promises and not many deliveries, beta drivers (AMD and Intel), low number of supplies (I think they wanted to sell out previous generation instead of new one). I hope this year will be better and we will see improvement in price and performance of the cards, especially in mid to mid-high range models.
I can see signal reflection or impedance issues being caused by bad cables. However how that would reflect into the actual graphics core and influence junction temperatures I don't immediately know...
When it comes to computer engineering, there's probably like a crap ton of things that consumers overlook, and the bad or negative aspect we focus on too much.
But how is der8auer have better temps depending on the alignment of the card? (Vertically / Horizontally) He did not swapped the cable in the tests. Then at least there are two different Problems with the Hotspot temps or am i wrong with this?
Not the case, I've known for YEARS that a good cable should always be a primary thing because it could cause issues like flickering, blackscreens and even booting problem. Its a known thing. like this though, I never saw, but since the new AMD cards use chiplet design and a new Display Engine, it may be possible
Display cables matter a lot. Years ago when I built a PC, the PC would not boot (froze in bios boot screen) Pretty sure it was the 20th pin causing some problems. I bought the cable from Canada Computers and all their display cables which they brand as iCAN caused this issue ( the employees tried in the store to boot my PC and they had the same issue I had ). Later on I bought a 3DClub displayport 1.4 cable and the issue went away.
What I don't understand about identifying vapour chamber as the problem is that no one tried swapping in a waterblock to verify that this was the issue. An easy enough verification. Also, someone could order a dozen different DP 2.1 cables and see if there is a correlation. The problem with some tech tuber's (not you) is that it's about the conspiracy, and chasing the YT algorithm, and not about accuracy.
der8auer has done some decent legwork on this, but has definitely not taken it to completion. The youtube tech channels and the youtube linus's will be all over this, give the fanboys what they want, make the $$$
@@TorqueKMA No i ordered an EK water block on the third day of the 7900XTX release, I will be getting the block around mid to late February that's what my pre-order says.
The vapor chamber issue has been proven for some users since the problems gets resolved when changing from horizontal to vertical and seems to be a common issue. The cable-fix I think is the issue for a very small minority of users, just like the bad mounting og cable og 4090 was.
I agree with the mounting. I’m running the Rx 7900 xt (not xtx) and noticed it was very hot while mounted horizontal. The heat, which rises, had almost no where to go. Got a vertical mount that also kept it away the glass on the case, and the entire case seems to be cooler. I didn’t check the actual temps to compare but with the hot air able to get out of the heatsink at the top and the fans getting better airflow everything seems cooler.
Something I notice with Vapor Chamber designs in general, AMD's Vapor Chambers are designed to be too big and wide over the entire PCB, perhaps multiple heat sources messed with how the gases flowed when the fluid evaporates, so if the entire board is quite hot or warm, the gas flows and is trapped in a area that isn't efficient? The faster tech VRAM we get, the hotter they get, and at low pressure, fluid vaporizes more often, and from multiple sources. Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX uses Vapor-X, which is like 40-60% smaller in size than AMD's design, but makes use of heatpipe to heatsink fin stacks to spread and help dissipate heat. Vapor Chamber alone isn't sufficient, and you also should know that most mid to high end Nvidia GPUs do use Vapor Chamber, as this component offers up to a 30% efficiency over regular heatsinks. Only AMD Reference cards in the past uses Vapor Chambers, and it's often in a blower style hence very loud. Most AIB cards in the past other than the highest or the most expensive types, uses traditional heatsinks for AMD GPUs. So AMD gained a reputation for 'hot' temps because they never attempted to copy Nvidia's use of the more expensive, and custom vapor chambers at their mid range prices (I'd assume the extra cost is hefty for vapor chambers).
i'd never pay more than 500 bucks US for a card and didnt watch the reviews on the most expensive ones coz they suck due to poor price performance and reliability issues
My 7900XT runs fine as I've been testing it daily since I got it 5 days ago. The hotspot or junction hits a max 82c no matter what I do. I have the reference PowerColor
I was getting bad temps, crashing with 3 cables rated for 8K/hdmi 2.1 and wasn’t gaming in but 4k or 1440p. I also had a very thin, but from top to bottom pixelated verticals line. I made sure bios Was up to date. I removed Nvidia drivers. Factory reset the 7900 XTX MERC10 4x and my fix came with a Nintendo Switch HDMI. Which pulls 120hz. Gpu usage and temps came down dramatically. I can even play with overclock settings and got 17599 on Port royal. Factory cooling. To tell ya how bad things got, it was like I had to treat this like a 1080P card coming from an Rtx 3080. I still have a 5900x. I also have a gaming x trio 7900 XTX. Which has had zero issues. Merc10 hasn’t had issues for awhile since it went away. Another possibility is that the games in combination have been messing with the GPU. Like I was playing Fortnite and was messing around in settings on 1440p, getting a feel for the ray tracing in addition to handling the most basics on epic with tsr epic. I still had around 58-62% gpu utilization. I believe my run through the situation, includes playing Fortnite with ray tracing on while having the Radeon overlays on to view temps. Nothing seemed out of whack until it was. Zero over clocks performed, or memory, undergoing or any performance tuning for that matter existed before the issue. Since we’ve had a Fortnite update. I still play with lumens and hardware ray tracing off. I’m not surprised that Fortnite can be demanding. I remember when Rtx 2070 super handled 1440P, then Rtx 3080 handled 1440P dx11 Fortnite. Now even with 4080 or 7900 XTX, the quality of the game can be so high that 4K is not well at native unless the rest of the settings are low.
I think cables have been an issue for a while now and its really easy to get a bad cable even if you would spend a little more on a way better one. Would be surprised if this is the issue but i dont see it helping i having a bad cable
Maybe it has something to do with that Compression people spoke about with NVidia and DP1.4(or whatever it is they use on the 4000Series). If the GPU has to compress the Picture to fit through the Cable, maybe a very specific part of the GPU gets used for that all the time=110°C. Just speculating!
Perhaps the GPU works too hard with certain cables, because it's trying to funnel extra 'data' to the monitor for whatever reason, to no change in visual fidelity than frame rates? Also consider the monitor itself, does it offer high refresh rate? If it's a 60 hz monitor it shouldn't be recieving 90~120 fps signals... You won't see anything.
Feels like unterminated end on a cable leads a leak in gpu's output(port) section and OG version doesn't have a vapor chamber to support such a leak while others can. This means amd didn't test it with such cables and put a proper solution on pcb or find a better way to implement output section in gpu.
You and those posters are ruining nvidia fud brigades newest campaign. They just checked this checkbox. If this get solved and turns out to be nothing burger I wonder what is next "big thing" on their list. Because you bet list is not over. Just notice this became issue just recently after previous checkbox in the list. You would expect this junction temp issue would have been obvious from the launch but somehow waited for other "big trouble" issues to get debunked. We have this kind of fud every amd launch. At least now we know that nvidia smearing amd brigade list longer it gets nvidia more insecure is. AMD is on to something. RDNA4 will probably be even more dangerous for jensen worshippers. P.S. Does no one have suspicions why nVidia "missed" that DP2.1 train? Seems very strange.
I had a 5700 XT running at 110°C junction temp immediately after starting a game, but I solved changing the thermal pads. Could the causes have been multiple?
How can anyone report responsibly that there wasn't enough fluid, when Debaurer said himself 'I didn't measure the fluid when I cut it open'. You CANNOT say 'a few mm's too little' from a few pictures of open mesh.
Vapor Chamber requires the fluid to turn into gas, meaning it can't have too much water/fluid like a liquid cooler, it's also a low pressure container meaning the fluid vaporizes at lower temperatures, so water wouldn't need 100 Celsius to boil over, but say 80 instead? As well, roughly 0.1% of all MBA reference cards might have this defect, because say whomever assembled it (usually a robot) ended up making a mistake.
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Hey Fabio I'm so pissed about jayztwocents and der Bauers video because they are just assuming what the problem is but can't proof it and are just basically bashing amd for it It's just on some cards were some cables causing overheating Also this is not the same as the Nvidias connector problem which is way way worse because No matter if reference or custom cards u will have the connector problem on the new Nvidia cards
@@AncientGameplays i still think it's unfair from Jay to say this is a bigger problem then Nvidias connector problem which exists basically on every Nvidia card
@@JJ-gk5tn r u that dumb. Only around 50 nvidia cards had that problem n those were down to user error. GN n others tested the cards n proved it. Whereas thousands of Amd users are having this issue. Stop being an amdonkey for a second. This is a major issue
Lol a friggin cable can fix it? Well Fabio do you happen to know any electrical engineers? I bet they'd think that's an interesting issue and probably could share some insight.
@@AncientGameplays direct debits from amd coming in hot. Plz change ur channel name to amd gameplays. Sounds better n matches with ur content. You are welcome
Would you know how to fix the "pc freeze" issue we get on some games like lost ark for rx6000 series card users? It does not happens on all games but several games I play is affected. It's like a random screen freeze after playing a bit that locks up the pc and force you to hard reboot. (I read that there's a high chance of driver issue.) I have a rx6800xt
@@AncientGameplays perhaps it's that? Tho i have run benchmarks for hours without issue so dumno... The more I look for solution online the more ppl I find with that kind of issue with random games, all using AMD cards... If you have time, can you try lost ark with your Rx 6800xt? (If you don't have any issue and using an old driver, please tell me which version you are using^^)
Very interesting topic. What about changing the PCIE cables? i would like to test that (probably a waste of time) but I will definitely try to replace my display port cable to see any temp differences
Fabio big love and love your video :) seriously just buy some k5 thermal paste and repaste ... change mine and wen't from 110 max to 92 max in vahala . That's a real fix ;)
@@AncientGameplays i always removed the thermal pad and change it for k5 paste . Also change the processor paste for artic cpu paste . On all my card it have been a great improvement . Will.do my new 7900xtx red devil next week end . Will let you know whats the result .
@@schweiserschweiser3397 yes sir ! Change the paste for K5 PRO no more heating issue . Changed the memory paste and all other module . Also change the cpu pas for some artic paste . Might be overkill but i lap the heatsink with 800 grid sanding paper . Got to be really carfull doing that .
6800XT FE and 5700XT I was an ancient gaming skeptic, I thought that I had a bad GPU or I had simply always thought that it was at 100-115 degrees HOTSPOT, GPU 70 because I have everything mounted on an ITX. I tried your OC + UV configurations, everything always crashed, I could only do OC without UV at 70 degrees Celsius. I have changed the cable and no sun it has gone down to 70HOTSPOT now I have tried UV I have put 1100mv and it has gone down to 65 GPU and 65 HOTSPOT. thank you very much really. I am now a believer! era un ancientgaming exceptico , pensaba que me habia tocado una GPU mala o simplemente siempre habia pensado que estaba a 100-115 gradosHOTSPOT ,GPU 70 por que tengo todo montado en un ITX .probado tus las configuraciones de OC+ UV siempre crasheaba todo, solo podia hacer OC sin UV a 70grados centígrados. he cambiado el cable y no sol ha bajado a 70HOTSPOT ahora he probado UV he puesto 1100mv y ha bajado a 65 GPU y 65 HOTSPOT. muchas gracias de verdad. ahora soy un creyente!
Has salvado la GPU! Incluso cambie el backplate y termalpsds de la 5700XT hace mucho y bajo 6 grados... GPU pero Hotspot paso de 110 a 95... pensé que era todo por estar en ITX, la vendí y Por la 6800XT FE, pasaba igual , no podía hacer nada , estaba apunto de abrirla para cambiar termalpsds etc etc ... Cuando vi tu vídeo pedí el cable! Sin pensarlo , creía me tocaría devolverlo... Cuál es mi sorpresa que ahora va GPU+ Hotspot 70⁰C y he podido probar tu configuración de OC+UV y funciona! Por fin ha bajado a 65 °GPU + 65HoTSpot! A 2400mhz 1100mv. todo en una ITX! Con nada de espacio y full de ventiladores finos. Muchas gracias soy tu Fan1# I'm Beliver AncientPlays! All works ultra fresh super silent! Full fps Warzone 150-200, multiplayer 190-230 con Ryzen 5600X GOLD CTR 2.1 4750mhz en 4 Cores. Llevo mucho tiempo sin saber que hacer con la temperatura... Por fin!
Question: My GPU (sapphire 7900xtx) survives relatively well a time spy stress test (94ºc junction / 70 edge) with default settings. But it finds the 110ºc junction temp when doing an auto OC at ~380 W, with a slight downthrottle to ~365W during the 20 loops, enough to fail the stress test. Is this a RMA situation or just a sour bad luck on silicon lottery? I am almost wishing for this to be a RMA case as to get a new XTX, but I feel it is different from the whole hotspot situation.
I just ordered a new monitor, and ordered a 7900 XTX weeks ago, so now I'm paranoid and looking for a good cable but couldn't find any brand I recognize selling a DP 2.0 cable on Amazon but Monoprice, so I ordered that for now. Any suggestions?
after watching your last video it got me thinking and i had the idea that if you are spending that kind of money on a GPU why wouldnt you just put a water block on it? or is a vapor chamber better for cooling?
Too many problems highlighted by users for me to spend $1000+. I will wait for the mid range cards to drop. 7700 xt should pair better with my 5600x anyway. Gotta say, really bad QC and QA from AMD. No wonder NVIDIA is ahead even after their price gouging. AMD was famous for nice hardware and shitty software. Now I quite like the adrenalin software, it is ok to use with a bit of training but they dropped the ball with hardware this gen. Such a shame... waste of the greatest opportunity that they had to claw back some market share.
I hope der8auer transplants a known-good vapor chamber (like yours) to one of his cards that is overheating to see if that fixes the issue. If the issue is resolved after swapping the vapor chamber, then we know it is indeed the chamber, but if the issue persists then it may be something else.
You would not be able to tell by doing that though. As one person sent him a card that was thermal throttling. A change of thermal paste fixed the card. So when you swap the coolers. Thermal paste would be changed. Would it be the cooler or the thermal paste ???
@@suzie9874 He already excluded the thermal paste, though with a very small sample size of course. So I think it is less likely to be thermal paste and more likely the cooler or some other weird issue (as discussed in this video), or more likely a combination of both as the temperature changes with different orientation and different cables.
@@myname7021 I just seen that they also have an issue with higher heat with 20 pin monitor cables. When using 19 pin cables the temp would lower. Odd i know but i did see this somewhere.
Probably badly calibrated display port standard cos AMD is going insane over blackscreen issues :D maybe AMD should just use same method as Nvidia and just create a virtual monitor and calibrate per monitor atleast for all there freesync premium branded panels and freesync premium pro panels etc :D Oh well just installed linux and having no problems there so strange :D Linux stability > windows stability :D
OP of the reddit thread just said the issue has returned after moving his PC case. I think Der Bauer has provided the reason for the hotspots along with Igor being that there is a lack of coolant.
It looks to me like one or more batches have no (t enough) fluid in the vapour chamber. This explains why it works vertically because the little amount of fluid there is has a chance to drop back down. On yours it doesn't matter because it has enough fluid. That's what I think anyway. When your sweet cooling solution fails because you forgot a drop of water. 😂
Hoverheating oooooooooo i hate this problem i have gygabyte gaming oc Rx 6750xt and is very hot so i put new settings and i change the thermal past (thermal grizzly Kryaunot) I also made a ventilation curve and with all this I stay in the 70 to 80 degrees or 85 maxxxxx but what I don't understand is that it heats up more in the cinematics than in the gameplay would you have an idea why?
I got my 7900 xt merc black edition :), lowered voltage to 975mv instead of 1100mv i think im around my limit, i wish i could edit power play tables with mpt I would get way way higher clocks.
Nice video like always - for cable try whit your 7900xtx The PremiumTech Europe DisplayPort 2.0 Cable and whit last video of yours overcloking and undervolting 7000 cards temps shall be ok.
So true, we should just pay our $1000 and keep our mouths shut, and if we get a bad gpu, we are early adopters AMD are doing us a favour selling it to us for $1000 even if it doesn't work
@@anuzahyder7185 rejected because some Nvidia Boyz try amd cards without knowing their features or they cant Afford an enthusyastic product. certainly ☕. I know lots of people that have RMA accepted. You Need to provide proofs not only because you regret it.
@@AncientGameplays Something we all forget. I just noted above how i'll just grab any old cable laying around. Turns out the cable I'm using ain't even rated for such a high end gpu and gameplay. Just ordered too cables rated to do the job tonight and hopefully that will be that.
I finally got some advice about my new 6700xt (used from a crypto miner). The person apparently had had the same exact problems. (bios constantly resetting and not restarting from bios without hitting the reset button). He seems to have thought I got a bad card so I had 20 days left of warranty and sent it back. They're going to send me a new card free of charge so I'm very happy with the outcome.
Hey Ancient, I got a XFX rx 7900 xtx Founders Edition last week. I can say, this issue is a real thing unfortunately, my hot spot is 110c and edge temperature is around 69 more less... I was very excited for this card, and AMD bringing up a great competitor to NVIDIA, but im not anymore...... I`m going to return it as soon as RTX 4090 is in stock here in Canada, and get the 4090 instead. Also, the Coil Whine is super annoying when playing high fps games, therefore I have to limit the fps to 400, anything more than that it whistles super loud which is impossible to ignore. The non founders edition cards are almost as expensive as rtx 4080 here in canada, so its not worth. Nao e possivel que uma GPU de 1599 dolares me de uma dor de cabeca no futuro, melhor devolver e pegar outra gastando 500 dolares a mais. Thanks for sharing this video so people think twice before getting the founders edition cards.
Hey hey, it seems that the original amd ones are the most affected. That's sad for you indeed...as for the coil whine, at high fps it isn't usually gpu sided, but PSU, CPU and mobo. They will all do it, even with another GPU at higher power draws. My coil whine is minimal for instance because my mobo and my psu filters are very good
@@AncientGameplays Ohhh good to know about the coil whine! thanks.. but ya, unlucky about my new card, beast of a gpu, but too bad about the heating issue. I was always AMD, but now gonna give Nvidia a shot haha
I just had a problem with a monoprice dp cable and the #20 pin being connected. All my pc would do was stay in a boot loop but would be fine with hdmi. After I shut my pc off and unplug it the cpu light would stay on as long as the monitor was plugged in and connected to the gpu
I bought a XFX 7900XTX reference card at launch, I never checked the junction temp, but it has really noticeable coil whine. Is that a side effect from high temps? I might have to test my temps when I get back from vacation. If my card is affected, can I hit up XFX support and ask for a replacement? They probably don’t have anymore reference cards in stock but I wouldn’t mind getting a MERC310 7900XTX.
I can confirm this with a 7900xtx hellhound powercolors, changed the cable with the original of the monitor and the temperature went down 10 degree celsius at extreme undervolt performance, and even more in iddle.
Der8auer really needs to open up a vapor chamber on a known working card to know for sure what is going on. But people aren't in the habit of sending away their working products to be destructively dissected....
In his video he talks about how he sent some 4080s & money if they did not want that as well if not one also said if you can send me a AIB model some would take that as well. So any card that was sent he paid for or replaced it for what they asked for. I think He got 3 shipped in if I remember right. I get some might be afraid but Der8auer never risk his name & not give the card back or something in return.
What worked best for me Fabio was cleaning out the thermal paste and then using a Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet, this stuff is magic! I saw many people referring to the PTM7950 however I could not access this in my country, I managed to get the Kryosheet and my Hotspot and GPU delta dropped from around 50 degrees celsius to generally under 20 degrees celsius. Only down side in my opinion is that it is electrically conductive so you have to be careful when putting it on the die. I figured my problem on the 7900XT was due to pump out as thermal paste only improved temps for about a week before they got worse again. If PTM7950 is availabe it might be a better option as it does not conduct electricity however both are great products!
Der8auer made a video proving that the vapor chamber of the gpus is the problem: ua-cam.com/video/26Lxydc-3K8/v-deo.html Edit: "prove" is a little exaggerated but it's very likely, that that's the problem.
@@gearfriedtheswmas Yeah, that's what i got from his video too so we can't be 100% sure if that's the case until someone who knows about vapor chambers get a close look to his disected card
The gpus are fine. Wait for summer, the gpus are going to run even cooler. No need to return the GPUs. Help out amd. Underclock it, it’s still faster than 3080. Wait for rdna 4. It will destroy nvidia
thanks for the tips, i m actually in this situation (7900xtx) with some hotspot at 110° and higher, i will try to switch my HDMI cable to a DP port i guess and see if it resolve the issue
Just got my 5800X3D today!!! My kid is getting my 5800X. It will hold me over to ZEN5!!! The Real New Architecture!!! Playing the Witcher3 again with all the Eye candy @1440p on my 3080. I hope it makes it smoother. Maybe I'll get an XTX if AMD drops the prices a bit, like a nice AIB card for $1000. No TY Reference.
Hi, friend could you help me with some benchmarks, i want to see the 6950 xt with ray tracing after the cyberpunk update but i cant find an accurate benchmark with fsr and sam enabled anywhere, i'll be so grateful if you could help me pd: thanks for the great content fr bro you're one of the few who show real amd benchmarks and troubleshoots problems (sorry for bad english, its not my main language)
My xtx card(reference) when default dont go above 84c...but if i increase the power limit or apply overclock that is when the card goes to 100c and so on, in junction...
Atomized Android and I told you, on your Discord, what the problem was and how to fix it. So let me repeat it here again. The working hypothesis is that it has to do with the very narrow fin pitch of the GPU cooler (the distance between the heat exchanging fins). This has been tested by Atomized Android a number of times on his 7900XTX and is repeatable, and during testing his GPU reaches 400 Watts TBP. When running the card horizontally, the narrowness of the fin pitch does not allow for the air to be ejected out of the with enough force (fans don't have enough Static Pressure?) and so the warm air is being sucked into the fans again and recycled. Atomized Android with his 7900XTX reference design card came across this by accident. He was using is previous 6900XT with a program called "Fan Control" which would ramp up the front intake fans of his case when both the CPU or the GPU came under load (unlike normally where you have to choose if either the CPU or the GPU controls the fan speed of the front intake case fans, but not both). When he put in his new 7900XTX the profile was no longer applied, because it didn't recognize the GPU (it was configured for a 6900XT). When he was running his tests, the GPU went up to about 108 degrees Celsius and he was a bit annoyed. He noticed however that the front fans in his case weren't ramping up the way they had before, although the fans on his GPU were going like the clappers. So he looked at his Fan Control profile, noticed the problem, configured it the way it was before for his 6900XT, ran the test again (this time with the front fans ramping up to blow air over the card when the GPU came under load) and his max temp at a 400 Watt TBP was at around 84 degrees and the delta between the "Current Temperature" (edge temperature) and the Junction Temperature was around 16 degrees. You showed Der8auer's efforts at getting to the cause of the problem and the only bloody thing he didn't do was push some airflow over the card with a fan when it was horizontal. This would explain why the problem is so random. It would be bloody easy for you to test this with your system. All you would have to do is have the intake fans of your case set to various speeds and see the difference it makes to the max temp your card reaches. Start with full speed and then ramp down until you find the point where your temp is optimal. Remember if you have your front case fans set to ramp up dependent on CPU load that games don't really stress the CPU and the better the cooling you have on your CPU the less likely your front case fans are to spinning up. So there you go, job done.
Idk if this is related to the other issue with vertical or horizontal mounting, it could be two separate issues...I wish that AMD was more transparent and put an engineer to give an interview and stop this nonsense drama. It's clearly not a design flaw otherwise ALL gpus would be affected, it's probably a manufacturing error on some units and regarding the cables it could just be an issue with a few people that have a defective or non certified DP cable.
I recently bought a Ryzen 5 7600x with a 240 mm Lian Li Aio, but the temperature of the processor is terribly high, both during the game and in the Windows environment. In the game, the processor temperature reaches up to 95 degrees Celsius and in the Windows environment it is around 45-55. I mean, why is the temperature so high even with this Aio ? Is there a solution?
It is not high at all my friend. Those CPUs are made to boost up to 95C with absolutely no throttling, it's how they work. Still, you have something wrong there as even my 7700X barely reaches 75C on heavy CPU gaming with a noctua DH15-s. Check you case airflow
HI, I'm the author of that post on Reddit. I was suffering from 110c hotspot, literally 1-2 minutes after starting a game, switched temporarily to a different monitor (HDMI 2.1) and noticed I no longer had the hotspot issue, was high 80s Low 90s. Strange, so I switched back to my display port monitor, 110c hotspot again after like 2 minutes. So I changed the DP cable for another I had purchased from amazon and temps were normal, just like when using the HDMI 2.1 monitor. So I cut open the problematic cable to check if it had 20 pins, it did but only 19 were physically connected. That was a few days ago, but now I do see temps creeping up to 110c again (new cable and HDMI 2.1) after around 10-15 minutes, so I do think I have a faulty heat sink. Now the golden question, why did I have almost instant 110c temps with that first cable, well after chatting with an AMD employee on reddit, he thinks the original cable could have had a defect "Most likely, bad cable = higher link training settings = more power. If I had to guess. That file can confirm it if you had both cables plugged in at some point recently", I sent him a log file but didn't get analysis back from him yet.
Maybe that first cable (being a dell cable and has no click when inserted) , maybe I had not connected it fully.
@@FTLN Still does not explain the temps, its literally just an output if there's not 20 pins.
Hi,
I have only one question to this Cable-solution: Why do AIB-Partner models of those graphics cards do not have the same temp problems? I do not understand how this is only an issue for MBA-Cards (AMD Reference Cards) if its a cable related issue...
@@NatureBoy2315 The same way most reference card do not have those issues as well. There's a reason why it is called a defect, and I made this video just to state that the cables MAY be doing something, but doesn't mean other issues aren't there in some cards
@@NatureBoy2315 the board partners may not be using a vapor chamber to cool the cards. Those AIBs don't have the issue because of that
I just bought the club3d cable. Didnt fix it still 110c
You have a defective card maybe friend...
@AncientGameplays nah its just the pads. Today new proper pads arrive. I'll update later after work.
@@rd2dab obviously defective though. You had to change pads...
@AncientGameplays yes lol. After a yr and changing paste over the yr it made the really soft pads crappy. So I replaced those with the gray puddy like pads. That's when I noticed instantly the 110c. Today I'll get the artic pads. The proper soft ones. Like blue/green ones.
@@rd2dab and results ? Hotspot temperatures now ?
Side note/ related question? I've had an RTX 2060 for some time now. But, can't seem to make the correct power draw numbers appear. I've tried driver updates and NVCleanInstalls. I've re-installed MSI Afterburner twice now. Checked X,Y, Z setting and tick box. Re-installed HWiNFO64, checked for it's readouts... Nothing there either. Could my card be faulty, or is there some stupid trick I just haven't tried yet?
look who's almost at 100k!!
Almost there!
If the cable was the problem, then people experiencing the problem could not mail their card to der8auer EN to reproduce the problem in his setup. So this cannot be the entire problem, i doubt that der8auer is using a Dell cable. There is a firmware upgrade for certain cables causing the card to heat up too much.
I am not saying cables are the issue, I am saying they can be the issue. Different
link to firmware?
Minimum recommend power supply is 800 watts your 650 is why it's getting hot.
what? Dude xD
@@AncientGameplays it recommends an 800 on the amd sight as the minimum. Power supplies can only handle around 60-80% efficiency at a 50% load. Not sure which supply listed in the description is the one you used. Keep in mind they also power the rest of your system as well not just the GPU.
As always hope you enjoy this info! What do you think about this?
I am waiting for more test and infos about the display cable used. Maybe theses people switched to 4k/60Hz cables thus caping the fps generated by the card, I don't know
Der8auer made a video proving that the vapor chamber of the gpus is the problem: ua-cam.com/video/26Lxydc-3K8/v-deo.html
Edit: "prove" is a little exaggerated but it's very likely, that that's the problem.
Hahahahaha! Home boy cut his cable
I think it's good you don't get on the bandwagon
@@timo4257 If he 'proved' it was the problem, how come his latest video today says that vapor chamber wasn't?
Find a bad cable with pin 20 connected and see if you can reproduce the temperature problem. Chances are you have one if you've kept included cables from a lot of monitors over the years.
Your intro's make me laugh. I need it after a bad day. Thanks for the video. AMD needs to fix this and save some face. I hope.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Amazing
If you ask me all I can imagine is a cheap cable overheating, changing voltage values as resistance increase and forcing the power controller on the GPU to swap into PCI-E back and forward and increasing power spikes and so on...
Not sure about DP but with HDMI the different bandwith and refresh options would be the best available between the monitor, cable and graphics card. There are relatively obscure parameters such as blanking time that have a big impact on the 7900XTX idle power consumption and VRAM frequency (as seen on the video "RX 7900 XTX High Idle Power / Stuck VRAM Clock Fix (CRU)" from Jo3yization. So basically changing to a better (or just different) cable also changes dozens of parameters.
This is interesting. I saw a few videos about it and it seems like this is only reference card problem, but there isn't stated what percentage of those cards are faulty. This is strange problem and I think this is probably due to some combination of small issues. Maybe some batches of cards have less cooling liquid in vapor chamber, maybe bad cables are causing card to try to pump too much power, which converts into too much heat to dissipate?
This is such an controversial generation of cards with all kind of issues. We have the biggest price increase in years, problems with heat (overheating AMD, melting NVidia), too many promises and not many deliveries, beta drivers (AMD and Intel), low number of supplies (I think they wanted to sell out previous generation instead of new one). I hope this year will be better and we will see improvement in price and performance of the cards, especially in mid to mid-high range models.
I can see signal reflection or impedance issues being caused by bad cables. However how that would reflect into the actual graphics core and influence junction temperatures I don't immediately know...
Same here
I love how quickly you get on this stuff. Very interesting that those cables are making such a difference.
When it comes to computer engineering, there's probably like a crap ton of things that consumers overlook, and the bad or negative aspect we focus on too much.
But how is der8auer have better temps depending on the alignment of the card? (Vertically / Horizontally)
He did not swapped the cable in the tests.
Then at least there are two different Problems with the Hotspot temps or am i wrong with this?
He didn't
Because these are untelated issues
DP cables gonna be getting some shady marketing. What if those comments were made up so that cable sellers start some expensive sells ? 🤔
Not the case, I've known for YEARS that a good cable should always be a primary thing because it could cause issues like flickering, blackscreens and even booting problem. Its a known thing.
like this though, I never saw, but since the new AMD cards use chiplet design and a new Display Engine, it may be possible
Display cables matter a lot. Years ago when I built a PC, the PC would not boot (froze in bios boot screen) Pretty sure it was the 20th pin causing some problems. I bought the cable from Canada Computers and all their display cables which they brand as iCAN caused this issue ( the employees tried in the store to boot my PC and they had the same issue I had ). Later on I bought a 3DClub displayport 1.4 cable and the issue went away.
What I don't understand about identifying vapour chamber as the problem is that no one tried swapping in a waterblock to verify that this was the issue. An easy enough verification. Also, someone could order a dozen different DP 2.1 cables and see if there is a correlation. The problem with some tech tuber's (not you) is that it's about the conspiracy, and chasing the YT algorithm, and not about accuracy.
Can you buy one for xtx yet?
der8auer has done some decent legwork on this, but has definitely not taken it to completion. The youtube tech channels and the youtube linus's will be all over this, give the fanboys what they want, make the $$$
@@-opus the 4090 boys are coming out of the woodwork to tell us how smart they were for their purchase.
@@TorqueKMA EK has one on their website. I'm sure that EK would be happy send derBauer one.
@@TorqueKMA No i ordered an EK water block on the third day of the 7900XTX release, I will be getting the block around mid to late February that's what my pre-order says.
The vapor chamber issue has been proven for some users since the problems gets resolved when changing from horizontal to vertical and seems to be a common issue. The cable-fix I think is the issue for a very small minority of users, just like the bad mounting og cable og 4090 was.
I agree with the mounting. I’m running the Rx 7900 xt (not xtx) and noticed it was very hot while mounted horizontal. The heat, which rises, had almost no where to go. Got a vertical mount that also kept it away the glass on the case, and the entire case seems to be cooler. I didn’t check the actual temps to compare but with the hot air able to get out of the heatsink at the top and the fans getting better airflow everything seems cooler.
@@briansweeney7086 if horizontal had it close to the glass that may also affect temps. Glad it help change mouting.
Something I notice with Vapor Chamber designs in general, AMD's Vapor Chambers are designed to be too big and wide over the entire PCB, perhaps multiple heat sources messed with how the gases flowed when the fluid evaporates, so if the entire board is quite hot or warm, the gas flows and is trapped in a area that isn't efficient?
The faster tech VRAM we get, the hotter they get, and at low pressure, fluid vaporizes more often, and from multiple sources.
Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX uses Vapor-X, which is like 40-60% smaller in size than AMD's design, but makes use of heatpipe to heatsink fin stacks to spread and help dissipate heat.
Vapor Chamber alone isn't sufficient, and you also should know that most mid to high end Nvidia GPUs do use Vapor Chamber, as this component offers up to a 30% efficiency over regular heatsinks.
Only AMD Reference cards in the past uses Vapor Chambers, and it's often in a blower style hence very loud. Most AIB cards in the past other than the highest or the most expensive types, uses traditional heatsinks for AMD GPUs.
So AMD gained a reputation for 'hot' temps because they never attempted to copy Nvidia's use of the more expensive, and custom vapor chambers at their mid range prices (I'd assume the extra cost is hefty for vapor chambers).
that may be an issue. Also, heard that the case airflow matters a lot in there
I'm glad you're doing all this research and testing so I won't have to once I get mine.
It just came to my attention
Gonna buy it just in time for the recall
My 7800xt runs around 58c but hotspot is around 90 it was closer too 100 but i adjusted fan curve
that's a HUGE difference
I guess I have good cables
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i'd never pay more than 500 bucks US for a card and didnt watch the reviews on the most expensive ones coz they suck due to poor price performance and reliability issues
Good
My 7900XT runs fine as I've been testing it daily since I got it 5 days ago. The hotspot or junction hits a max 82c no matter what I do. I have the reference PowerColor
same here
Mine is at 68 72 degrees at the highest
I also have the thermaltake open case
I have the reference 7900 XT from AMD, junction max is 85c.
My card seems fine as well. GPU Hotspot temp has hit max 81. gpu temp max 67. But... the memory junction temp doesn't go below 50... maxed out at 88.
power color and I have the issue 96 & 110
Drama is fun when I'm not involved
pahaha
Crazy was hitting 112 junction now I’m at 84 🎉 haven’t tried my second screen yet gpu only has 1 hdmi port
Great!
AMD did not think this one through
They did. They don't make the coolers though.
I was getting bad temps, crashing with 3 cables rated for 8K/hdmi 2.1 and wasn’t gaming in but 4k or 1440p. I also had a very thin, but from top to bottom pixelated verticals line.
I made sure bios Was up to date. I removed Nvidia drivers. Factory reset the 7900 XTX MERC10 4x and my fix came with a Nintendo Switch HDMI. Which pulls 120hz. Gpu usage and temps came down dramatically. I can even play with overclock settings and got 17599 on Port royal. Factory cooling.
To tell ya how bad things got, it was like I had to treat this like a 1080P card coming from an Rtx 3080. I still have a 5900x.
I also have a gaming x trio 7900 XTX. Which has had zero issues. Merc10 hasn’t had issues for awhile since it went away.
Another possibility is that the games in combination have been messing with the GPU. Like I was playing Fortnite and was messing around in settings on 1440p, getting a feel for the ray tracing in addition to handling the most basics on epic with tsr epic. I still had around 58-62% gpu utilization. I believe my run through the situation, includes playing Fortnite with ray tracing on while having the Radeon overlays on to view temps. Nothing seemed out of whack until it was. Zero over clocks performed, or memory, undergoing or any performance tuning for that matter existed before the issue.
Since we’ve had a Fortnite update. I still play with lumens and hardware ray tracing off.
I’m not surprised that Fortnite can be demanding. I remember when Rtx 2070 super handled 1440P, then Rtx 3080 handled 1440P dx11 Fortnite. Now even with 4080 or 7900 XTX, the quality of the game can be so high that 4K is not well at native unless the rest of the settings are low.
I think cables have been an issue for a while now and its really easy to get a bad cable even if you would spend a little more on a way better one. Would be surprised if this is the issue but i dont see it helping i having a bad cable
Maybe it has something to do with that Compression people spoke about with NVidia and DP1.4(or whatever it is they use on the 4000Series).
If the GPU has to compress the Picture to fit through the Cable, maybe a very specific part of the GPU gets used for that all the time=110°C.
Just speculating!
Perhaps the GPU works too hard with certain cables, because it's trying to funnel extra 'data' to the monitor for whatever reason, to no change in visual fidelity than frame rates?
Also consider the monitor itself, does it offer high refresh rate? If it's a 60 hz monitor it shouldn't be recieving 90~120 fps signals... You won't see anything.
Feels like unterminated end on a cable leads a leak in gpu's output(port) section and OG version doesn't have a vapor chamber to support such a leak while others can. This means amd didn't test it with such cables and put a proper solution on pcb or find a better way to implement output section in gpu.
You and those posters are ruining nvidia fud brigades newest campaign. They just checked this checkbox. If this get solved and turns out to be nothing burger I wonder what is next "big thing" on their list. Because you bet list is not over. Just notice this became issue just recently after previous checkbox in the list. You would expect this junction temp issue would have been obvious from the launch but somehow waited for other "big trouble" issues to get debunked.
We have this kind of fud every amd launch. At least now we know that nvidia smearing amd brigade list longer it gets nvidia more insecure is. AMD is on to something. RDNA4 will probably be even more dangerous for jensen worshippers.
P.S. Does no one have suspicions why nVidia "missed" that DP2.1 train? Seems very strange.
Lol
Plz play for amd.
the Shia LaBeouf "Do It " had me laughging hard🤣🤣
hehehe
I had a 5700 XT running at 110°C junction temp immediately after starting a game, but I solved changing the thermal pads. Could the causes have been multiple?
Yeah, for sure they were
I like computer Jesus
How can anyone report responsibly that there wasn't enough fluid, when Debaurer said himself 'I didn't measure the fluid when I cut it open'. You CANNOT say 'a few mm's too little' from a few pictures of open mesh.
Vapor Chamber requires the fluid to turn into gas, meaning it can't have too much water/fluid like a liquid cooler, it's also a low pressure container meaning the fluid vaporizes at lower temperatures, so water wouldn't need 100 Celsius to boil over, but say 80 instead?
As well, roughly 0.1% of all MBA reference cards might have this defect, because say whomever assembled it (usually a robot) ended up making a mistake.
@@dra6o0n I'm thinking it's a typical 0.1% - 1% of reference cards also.
Interesting, posted your video in the overclockers UK forum in the owners thread.
Thanks
AINTNOWAY, AMD was mocking nvidia and now this. They are so inline with eachother that even mistakes are relatively the same.
not even close to same lol
Yes not even close to same. Nvidias one was user error. Amd straight up released a defective inefficient gpu
@@anuzahyder7185 so, 2% units with a defective COOLER, the bias is real there. Look bad at nvidia's history then
@@AncientGameplays bro give it a rest.
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Hey Fabio
I'm so pissed about jayztwocents and der Bauers video because they are just assuming what the problem is but can't proof it and are just basically bashing amd for it
It's just on some cards were some cables causing overheating
Also this is not the same as the Nvidias connector problem which is way way worse because No matter if reference or custom cards u will have the connector problem on the new Nvidia cards
Derbauer is actually testing stuff though, but like he said, most likely a defective batch
Amd is also working bad here saying it is inside specs lol
@@AncientGameplays I mean they say the same about the high Ryzen 7000 temps and we'll it's true
@@AncientGameplays i still think it's unfair from Jay to say this is a bigger problem then Nvidias connector problem which exists basically on every Nvidia card
@@JJ-gk5tn r u that dumb. Only around 50 nvidia cards had that problem n those were down to user error. GN n others tested the cards n proved it. Whereas thousands of Amd users are having this issue. Stop being an amdonkey for a second. This is a major issue
So it is very funny when you too, like some popular youtubers do, pronounce some words wrong.
I am not a native speaker though haha
@@AncientGameplaysyes it's funny when native speakers make mistake. For non native speakers it's only normal.
Lol a friggin cable can fix it? Well Fabio do you happen to know any electrical engineers? I bet they'd think that's an interesting issue and probably could share some insight.
Hahahahah yes cables can fix it ok. Bro i can get u cables which can make it faster than 4090 even.
Cables do fix it when cables are the issue, which does happen. Stop shilling
@@AncientGameplays direct debits from amd coming in hot. Plz change ur channel name to amd gameplays. Sounds better n matches with ur content. You are welcome
Would you know how to fix the "pc freeze" issue we get on some games like lost ark for rx6000 series card users?
It does not happens on all games but several games I play is affected. It's like a random screen freeze after playing a bit that locks up the pc and force you to hard reboot.
(I read that there's a high chance of driver issue.)
I have a rx6800xt
I sense a cpu/ram instability there
@@AncientGameplays perhaps it's that? Tho i have run benchmarks for hours without issue so dumno...
The more I look for solution online the more ppl I find with that kind of issue with random games, all using AMD cards...
If you have time, can you try lost ark with your Rx 6800xt? (If you don't have any issue and using an old driver, please tell me which version you are using^^)
Very interesting topic. What about changing the PCIE cables? i would like to test that (probably a waste of time) but I will definitely try to replace my display port cable to see any temp differences
Fabio big love and love your video :) seriously just buy some k5 thermal paste and repaste ... change mine and wen't from 110 max to 92 max in vahala . That's a real fix ;)
No need for that most times haha
@@AncientGameplays i always removed the thermal pad and change it for k5 paste . Also change the processor paste for artic cpu paste . On all my card it have been a great improvement . Will.do my new 7900xtx red devil next week end . Will let you know whats the result .
Hey hows going your 7900xtx did you get problems ? I mean amd say 110c is still okay if it’s not going more i want to get 7900xtx but im not sure
@@schweiserschweiser3397 yes sir ! Change the paste for K5 PRO no more heating issue . Changed the memory paste and all other module . Also change the cpu pas for some artic paste . Might be overkill but i lap the heatsink with 800 grid sanding paper . Got to be really carfull doing that .
Used your discount code 2 times today man lol. Hope your getting a little kick back!
Thank you!
6800XT FE and 5700XT
I was an ancient gaming skeptic, I thought that I had a bad GPU or I had simply always thought that it was at 100-115 degrees HOTSPOT, GPU 70 because I have everything mounted on an ITX. I tried your OC + UV configurations, everything always crashed, I could only do OC without UV at 70 degrees Celsius.
I have changed the cable and no sun it has gone down to 70HOTSPOT now I have tried UV I have put 1100mv and it has gone down to 65 GPU and 65 HOTSPOT. thank you very much really. I am now a believer!
era un ancientgaming exceptico , pensaba que me habia tocado una GPU mala o simplemente siempre habia pensado que estaba a 100-115 gradosHOTSPOT ,GPU 70 por que tengo todo montado en un ITX .probado tus las configuraciones de OC+ UV siempre crasheaba todo, solo podia hacer OC sin UV a 70grados centígrados.
he cambiado el cable y no sol ha bajado a 70HOTSPOT ahora he probado UV he puesto 1100mv y ha bajado a 65 GPU y 65 HOTSPOT. muchas gracias de verdad. ahora soy un creyente!
Has salvado la GPU! Incluso cambie el backplate y termalpsds de la 5700XT hace mucho y bajo 6 grados... GPU pero Hotspot paso de 110 a 95... pensé que era todo por estar en ITX, la vendí y Por la 6800XT FE, pasaba igual , no podía hacer nada , estaba apunto de abrirla para cambiar termalpsds etc etc ... Cuando vi tu vídeo pedí el cable! Sin pensarlo , creía me tocaría devolverlo... Cuál es mi sorpresa que ahora va GPU+ Hotspot 70⁰C y he podido probar tu configuración de OC+UV y funciona! Por fin ha bajado a 65 °GPU + 65HoTSpot! A 2400mhz 1100mv. todo en una ITX! Con nada de espacio y full de ventiladores finos. Muchas gracias soy tu Fan1# I'm Beliver AncientPlays! All works ultra fresh super silent! Full fps Warzone 150-200, multiplayer 190-230 con Ryzen 5600X GOLD CTR 2.1 4750mhz en 4 Cores. Llevo mucho tiempo sin saber que hacer con la temperatura... Por fin!
Hey man get a bunch of cables and see if you can get your card to overheat.
I can do that I guess
can you recommend a hdmi 2.1 cable manufacturer should i go with club 3d too?
Change cable still same hot 110c
It was not your case then...sad
Question: My GPU (sapphire 7900xtx) survives relatively well a time spy stress test (94ºc junction / 70 edge) with default settings.
But it finds the 110ºc junction temp when doing an auto OC at ~380 W, with a slight downthrottle to ~365W during the 20 loops, enough to fail the stress test.
Is this a RMA situation or just a sour bad luck on silicon lottery? I am almost wishing for this to be a RMA case as to get a new XTX, but I feel it is different from the whole hotspot situation.
Im your case I wouldn't bother. Just tweak the card and get better case airflow 💪
I just ordered a new monitor, and ordered a 7900 XTX weeks ago, so now I'm paranoid and looking for a good cable but couldn't find any brand I recognize selling a DP 2.0 cable on Amazon but Monoprice, so I ordered that for now. Any suggestions?
You will most likely be fine don't worry
Is 95 degrees ok hotspot temp to for 7800xt
hotspot? yes
You can undervolt though
after watching your last video it got me thinking and i had the idea that if you are spending that kind of money on a GPU why wouldnt you just put a water block on it? or is a vapor chamber better for cooling?
that's for air cooling
This is really weird issue that has a really weird solution lmao.
Indeed, good cables are a must though
Too many problems highlighted by users for me to spend $1000+. I will wait for the mid range cards to drop. 7700 xt should pair better with my 5600x anyway. Gotta say, really bad QC and QA from AMD. No wonder NVIDIA is ahead even after their price gouging. AMD was famous for nice hardware and shitty software. Now I quite like the adrenalin software, it is ok to use with a bit of training but they dropped the ball with hardware this gen. Such a shame... waste of the greatest opportunity that they had to claw back some market share.
I hope der8auer transplants a known-good vapor chamber (like yours) to one of his cards that is overheating to see if that fixes the issue. If the issue is resolved after swapping the vapor chamber, then we know it is indeed the chamber, but if the issue persists then it may be something else.
You would not be able to tell by doing that though. As one person sent him a card that was thermal throttling. A change of thermal paste fixed the card. So when you swap the coolers. Thermal paste would be changed. Would it be the cooler or the thermal paste ???
@@suzie9874 He already excluded the thermal paste, though with a very small sample size of course. So I think it is less likely to be thermal paste and more likely the cooler or some other weird issue (as discussed in this video), or more likely a combination of both as the temperature changes with different orientation and different cables.
@@myname7021 I just seen that they also have an issue with higher heat with 20 pin monitor cables. When using 19 pin cables the temp would lower. Odd i know but i did see this somewhere.
@@suzie9874 That is very weird. I hope AMD get's to the bottom of this ASAP
Probably badly calibrated display port standard cos AMD is going insane over blackscreen issues :D maybe AMD should just use same method as Nvidia and just create a virtual monitor and calibrate per monitor atleast for all there freesync premium branded panels and freesync premium pro panels etc :D
Oh well just installed linux and having no problems there so strange :D
Linux stability > windows stability :D
Your name is really Fabio?? I thought everyone was trolling you because of your long hair and handsome ways. 🤣
It is Fabio haha
lol
OP of the reddit thread just said the issue has returned after moving his PC case. I think Der Bauer has provided the reason for the hotspots along with Igor being that there is a lack of coolant.
Yes, but some users have it okay there. Very odd that only some user have this issue
It looks to me like one or more batches have no (t enough) fluid in the vapour chamber.
This explains why it works vertically because the little amount of fluid there is has a chance to drop back down.
On yours it doesn't matter because it has enough fluid.
That's what I think anyway. When your sweet cooling solution fails because you forgot a drop of water. 😂
maybe is just single defect unit.. like my previous rx 6700 xt black screen.. 🥲
Some defective units most likely
Hoverheating oooooooooo i hate this problem i have gygabyte gaming oc Rx 6750xt and is very hot so i put new settings and i change the thermal past (thermal grizzly Kryaunot) I also made a ventilation curve and with all this I stay in the 70 to 80 degrees or 85 maxxxxx but what I don't understand is that it heats up more in the cinematics than in the gameplay would you have an idea why?
The problem is not AMD there lol, its gigabyte. Apart from Aorus, they're cooling solutions aren't that great
😂thanks, Soon the 100k very beautiful course I hope you will go even further than 100k❤
nVidia September: 4080 12gb is 3x faster than the 3080 tie
nVidia today: 4070 Tie 12gb is 3x faster than the 3090 tie
Fabio Pisco, you slapped my hear and it made like a butterfly brah, guess I will have to buy another one or use Frame Generation, GG.
I never seen these bizassure issues with any other gpu , maybe it's a joke
the 20 pin DP issue is something known to happen from time to time with bad quality cables though
Thank God I'm a last Gen buyer. 🙏
I got my 7900 xt merc black edition :), lowered voltage to 975mv instead of 1100mv i think im around my limit, i wish i could edit power play tables with mpt I would get way way higher clocks.
Nice video like always - for cable try whit your 7900xtx The PremiumTech Europe DisplayPort 2.0 Cable and whit last video of yours overcloking and undervolting 7000 cards temps shall be ok.
A lots of Nvidia fanboys and reviewers rising up with this problem. Its quite cringe
So true, we should just pay our $1000 and keep our mouths shut, and if we get a bad gpu, we are early adopters AMD are doing us a favour selling it to us for $1000 even if it doesn't work
@@rayforce510 simple return back it without say more. Its possible and easy
Oh yes so easy. Rmas were rejected as well. Stop being an amdonkey for a second. Not even a single amd card is worth buying now.
@@anuzahyder7185
rejected because some Nvidia Boyz try amd cards without knowing their features or they cant Afford an enthusyastic product. certainly ☕. I know lots of people that have RMA accepted. You Need to provide proofs not only because you regret it.
@@anuzahyder7185 my card Is perfectly working im quite Happy, i buyed directly from amd website. Stop make false informations
If a crappy cable is the main reason, many people may want to worry about themselves instead of AMD. Or may not?
A good cable should always be a first thing to buy when getting a new gpu
@@AncientGameplays Yep, I agree. If nothing else to avoid these problems.
@@AncientGameplays Something we all forget. I just noted above how i'll just grab any old cable laying around. Turns out the cable I'm using ain't even rated for such a high end gpu and gameplay. Just ordered too cables rated to do the job tonight and hopefully that will be that.
Will new drivers be able fix the DP/Hdmi?
only if the issue is drivers to start with. This seems like a real issue with bad cables
I finally got some advice about my new 6700xt (used from a crypto miner). The person apparently had had the same exact problems. (bios constantly resetting and not restarting from bios without hitting the reset button). He seems to have thought I got a bad card so I had 20 days left of warranty and sent it back. They're going to send me a new card free of charge so I'm very happy with the outcome.
Would like to see someone put a 7900xtx pc into a Tesla and then mounting some displays onto the backseats of the car
Major AMD card recall incoming..
Hardly a truth
@@AncientGameplays cope
Hey Ancient,
I got a XFX rx 7900 xtx Founders Edition last week.
I can say, this issue is a real thing unfortunately, my hot spot is 110c and edge temperature is around 69 more less... I was very excited for this card, and AMD bringing up a great competitor to NVIDIA, but im not anymore...... I`m going to return it as soon as RTX 4090 is in stock here in Canada, and get the 4090 instead.
Also, the Coil Whine is super annoying when playing high fps games, therefore I have to limit the fps to 400, anything more than that it whistles super loud which is impossible to ignore.
The non founders edition cards are almost as expensive as rtx 4080 here in canada, so its not worth.
Nao e possivel que uma GPU de 1599 dolares me de uma dor de cabeca no futuro, melhor devolver e pegar outra gastando 500 dolares a mais.
Thanks for sharing this video so people think twice before getting the founders edition cards.
Hey hey, it seems that the original amd ones are the most affected. That's sad for you indeed...as for the coil whine, at high fps it isn't usually gpu sided, but PSU, CPU and mobo. They will all do it, even with another GPU at higher power draws. My coil whine is minimal for instance because my mobo and my psu filters are very good
@@AncientGameplays Ohhh good to know about the coil whine! thanks.. but ya, unlucky about my new card, beast of a gpu, but too bad about the heating issue.
I was always AMD, but now gonna give Nvidia a shot haha
@@magnoo4729 ur experience will be way better now
Exactly as Ancient says, the coil whine usually comes from other PC parts
I just had a problem with a monoprice dp cable and the #20 pin being connected. All my pc would do was stay in a boot loop but would be fine with hdmi. After I shut my pc off and unplug it the cpu light would stay on as long as the monitor was plugged in and connected to the gpu
I bought a XFX 7900XTX reference card at launch, I never checked the junction temp, but it has really noticeable coil whine. Is that a side effect from high temps? I might have to test my temps when I get back from vacation. If my card is affected, can I hit up XFX support and ask for a replacement? They probably don’t have anymore reference cards in stock but I wouldn’t mind getting a MERC310 7900XTX.
Coil whine has nothing to do with temps, its just electric vibration. It goes away or gets better if you undervolt
I can confirm this with a 7900xtx hellhound powercolors, changed the cable with the original of the monitor and the temperature went down 10 degree celsius at extreme undervolt performance, and even more in iddle.
Interesting
Der8auer really needs to open up a vapor chamber on a known working card to know for sure what is going on. But people aren't in the habit of sending away their working products to be destructively dissected....
In his video he talks about how he sent some 4080s & money if they did not want that as well if not one also said if you can send me a AIB model some would take that as well. So any card that was sent he paid for or replaced it for what they asked for. I think He got 3 shipped in if I remember right. I get some might be afraid but Der8auer never risk his name & not give the card back or something in return.
Im going to buy a new cable. I wont have the gpu issue or the gpu but i need a new cable
What worked best for me Fabio was cleaning out the thermal paste and then using a Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet, this stuff is magic! I saw many people referring to the PTM7950 however I could not access this in my country, I managed to get the Kryosheet and my Hotspot and GPU delta dropped from around 50 degrees celsius to generally under 20 degrees celsius. Only down side in my opinion is that it is electrically conductive so you have to be careful when putting it on the die. I figured my problem on the 7900XT was due to pump out as thermal paste only improved temps for about a week before they got worse again. If PTM7950 is availabe it might be a better option as it does not conduct electricity however both are great products!
Glad to see it helped!
Der8auer made a video proving that the vapor chamber of the gpus is the problem: ua-cam.com/video/26Lxydc-3K8/v-deo.html
Edit: "prove" is a little exaggerated but it's very likely, that that's the problem.
he didn't prove much. He proved that the issue was with his samples...I mean, my and many others' samples have no issues at all...
How did he prove anything? He even made another video disecting the chamber all the while saying he knows nothing of the subject.
@@gearfriedtheswmas Yeah, that's what i got from his video too so we can't be 100% sure if that's the case until someone who knows about vapor chambers get a close look to his disected card
The gpus are fine. Wait for summer, the gpus are going to run even cooler. No need to return the GPUs. Help out amd. Underclock it, it’s still faster than 3080. Wait for rdna 4. It will destroy nvidia
It could be Display Port 2.1, use DP 1.4.
this is getting ridiculous
I mean, we shouldn't ever get bad cables though
thanks for the tips, i m actually in this situation (7900xtx) with some hotspot at 110° and higher, i will try to switch my HDMI cable to a DP port i guess and see if it resolve the issue
Hope this helps
Just got my 5800X3D today!!! My kid is getting my 5800X. It will hold me over to ZEN5!!! The Real New Architecture!!!
Playing the Witcher3 again with all the Eye candy @1440p on my 3080. I hope it makes it smoother.
Maybe I'll get an XTX if AMD drops the prices a bit, like a nice AIB card for $1000. No TY Reference.
7900xtx cannot play witcher with rt on
Weird fix, but I can only imagine the improvements of this fix + vertical mount, or a custom card that has a cooler that doesn't have this issue.
well this one is... extremely weird... 🤔🤔
cool, but weird
Hi, friend could you help me with some benchmarks, i want to see the 6950 xt with ray tracing after the cyberpunk update but i cant find an accurate benchmark with fsr and sam enabled anywhere, i'll be so grateful if you could help me
pd: thanks for the great content fr bro you're one of the few who show real amd benchmarks and troubleshoots problems (sorry for bad english, its not my main language)
Hey hey, as soon as AMD sends me the 6950XT i will do those tests :D
#JustAMDThings I guess, as a RX7900XTX reference owner I’m the algorithm lead me to this video
Not amd things, all gpu things
2:36 " I just cut my cable to check, it only has 19 pins"
comment below - "You could have just tested the pins on both ends with a voltmeter..."
:'DDD
🤣🤣
Maybe that's because it is connected to the display engine in the die chiplet and mess up the temp..
My xtx card(reference) when default dont go above 84c...but if i increase the power limit or apply overclock that is when the card goes to 100c and so on, in junction...
100C is "okay", 110C is not. With tweaking it goes below 100C
Atomized Android and I told you, on your Discord, what the problem was and how to fix it.
So let me repeat it here again.
The working hypothesis is that it has to do with the very narrow fin pitch of the GPU cooler (the distance between the heat exchanging fins).
This has been tested by Atomized Android a number of times on his 7900XTX and is repeatable, and during testing his GPU reaches 400 Watts TBP.
When running the card horizontally, the narrowness of the fin pitch does not allow for the air to be ejected out of the with enough force (fans don't have enough Static Pressure?) and so the warm air is being sucked into the fans again and recycled.
Atomized Android with his 7900XTX reference design card came across this by accident.
He was using is previous 6900XT with a program called "Fan Control" which would ramp up the front intake fans of his case when both the CPU or the GPU came under load (unlike normally where you have to choose if either the CPU or the GPU controls the fan speed of the front intake case fans, but not both).
When he put in his new 7900XTX the profile was no longer applied, because it didn't recognize the GPU (it was configured for a 6900XT).
When he was running his tests, the GPU went up to about 108 degrees Celsius and he was a bit annoyed.
He noticed however that the front fans in his case weren't ramping up the way they had before, although the fans on his GPU were going like the clappers.
So he looked at his Fan Control profile, noticed the problem, configured it the way it was before for his 6900XT, ran the test again (this time with the front fans ramping up to blow air over the card when the GPU came under load) and his max temp at a 400 Watt TBP was at around 84 degrees and the delta between the "Current Temperature" (edge temperature) and the Junction Temperature was around 16 degrees.
You showed Der8auer's efforts at getting to the cause of the problem and the only bloody thing he didn't do was push some airflow over the card with a fan when it was horizontal.
This would explain why the problem is so random.
It would be bloody easy for you to test this with your system. All you would have to do is have the intake fans of your case set to various speeds and see the difference it makes to the max temp your card reaches. Start with full speed and then ramp down until you find the point where your temp is optimal.
Remember if you have your front case fans set to ramp up dependent on CPU load that games don't really stress the CPU and the better the cooling you have on your CPU the less likely your front case fans are to spinning up.
So there you go, job done.
I got it, and will report it as well (and thanks for doing it) but these seem to be different issues here
Idk if this is related to the other issue with vertical or horizontal mounting, it could be two separate issues...I wish that AMD was more transparent and put an engineer to give an interview and stop this nonsense drama. It's clearly not a design flaw otherwise ALL gpus would be affected, it's probably a manufacturing error on some units and regarding the cables it could just be an issue with a few people that have a defective or non certified DP cable.
Definitely 2 separate issues with the same problem
I recently bought a Ryzen 5 7600x with a 240 mm Lian Li Aio, but the temperature of the processor is terribly high, both during the game and in the Windows environment. In the game, the processor temperature reaches up to 95 degrees Celsius and in the Windows environment it is around 45-55. I mean, why is the temperature so high even with this Aio ? Is there a solution?
It is not high at all my friend. Those CPUs are made to boost up to 95C with absolutely no throttling, it's how they work. Still, you have something wrong there as even my 7700X barely reaches 75C on heavy CPU gaming with a noctua DH15-s. Check you case airflow