You are truly value added to this community. You saved me money with these. Following your Patreon videos on them along the way helped me see they were not for me. The gear junky in me would have picked them up and learned the hard way. Stay Rad.
This review is pretty much on the level. I’ve been riding the 105 for about 6 months. The longer I ride them the more the flaws come out. Like you said, I got these mainly due to their size and wish not to pay precision prices. My 130 Bears skate way better. The Aeons are pretty stable at speed but turn like crap at cruising speed. Best thing I can say for them is as far as my Libido goes they fit it great. My friend describes their action as they flop more than turn.
Dang, I thought I was going to be riding broke man's Rojas. Thank you for these reviews, I wish we had more reviews like this where the reviewer is honest about the product.
Thank you! Whenever I'm reviewing a product that I don't enjoy, I try to be extra thorough so that I can justify the criticism. Sometimes it has the reverse effect and changes my mind. This is not one of those times, lol
I had the same experience in the old Gen 1s. I had to crank down the nut to eliminate the slop. It was okay, but kind of dead feeling. I went back to my bear gen 6s.
*Another top draw review! In-depth and thorough* 🤙🏽👌🏽👌🏽🤟🏽 The "proprietary" bushings are off-puttin but I had though it's a decent enough truck... until the things you shared! Great insights 👏🏽👏🏽
Was immediately curious what your take was on these when I saw the review announcement yesterday... Never watched a review that more accurately reflected my thoughts on a product. You either ride them so loose that they flop all over the place (without managing to turn much at all) or you ride them so wrenched down that they just don't feel good to ride (and still have really mid steering). I bought these in the fleeting hope that they would be better than I had heard and demonstrate the market demand for non-precision trucks with a lower degree baseplate option... but it's back to bugging Bear every so often about the ever-on-the-horizon 30 degree Gen 6 cast baseplates 🙏
Hey Owen I wad wondering if you could make an in-depth video on bushing setups. I personally don’t understand why people run different bushings boardside and roadside and stuff like that, so was wondering about that stuff.
Phenomenal Review, you are just great at putting hard to grasp riders experience into words! I bought em for the same reason: split angle trucks, narrow hangers at a non precision price! But when trying them, they kinda were left on the pile of gear that's not that fun. it's a little sad, because they look great in theory. Still ride lots of stuff from seismic. Maybe not these...
Unfortunately, I see lots of people trying to use the "slalom venom bushing combo" on normal cast trucks. Sometimes I just decide to bite my tongue instead of tell them why the 73/78 - 95/97 bushings don't work on all trucks
I'm just one minute into this but was literally just about to press buy on a set of these. Could not have come at a better time. Really looking forward to your insights 👍
For those of us that were around when these first released- none of this is new news. Which is sad because of how awesome seismic is in the wheel and (now) bushing market for the DH community. So much potential especially now that they have their own bushings. But just falls flat at every turn, literally.
I wonder how barrels would feel with the front truck to maybe make it turn a bit more. I know you can put two together and drill through the center to make them fit the trucks
I dunno what to say about them. Soon as you showed the bushings I noticed the boardside base index and thought "...that looks (self censored)". Having been a 'skater' since 1977 and in my 30's being a Surfer / shaper, I can tell you catagorically that 'Rail Match' is a thing IF you are dealing with anything other than a Single Fin Surfboard... it's to do with Hydrodynamics and skateboards dont have that cus y'know... concrete (censored) wave brah. The good bit of this idiocy is it keeps the Skate Co.s alive for those of us with brains. Sent from UK.
From what I've experienced with the Gen 1 version of these and what you said about the Gen 2, the bushings are like an overthought version of Venom Freerides without the ability to run anything else. Personally I'd really like to see Seismic design a traditional RKP. Every truck they've released has some proprietary gimmick that forces them into an obscure niche. Innovation is obviously important for the industry, but is the innovation surrounding these really improving anything for the rider that just running a fatter standard bushing couldn't accomplish?
I'm wondering if you'll try to sand the inner bushing down to fit the seat better (not that you should have to.) What if you tried printing off a seat with a smaller cylinder and make up for the rest of the cylinder radius with stuck down sandpaper?
The Aeons are a bit of a mixed bag. It's amazing that they come in many different widths and bushing combinations. They are also lightweight af. Good overall build quality. They are super stable, but what Seismic actually means is just heavily reduced turnability. The reason for this is the construction of the bushing. Thanks to the roller bar in the center, torsional compression in the bushing is eliminated to a high degree. Something you really want to have in a bushing and what is also responsible for the liveliness in a truck. For cruising they suck in my opinion. Just too stiff and restrictive. But this is something you may want in downhill. Btw regarding to Seismic Gen 1 and 2 should be mechanically identical so I don't know what's going on with that bushing problem.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK!! Fuck filters! I love this shit. The same shit happened with The new Cast Rogues with the pivot pins and I do not support putting out a broke ass product just to sell the shit. I do not support this plan of selling bad stuff when the riding is at such a high degree and needs something to help push the skill with their support. They aren’t helping anyone’s skill progress.
Hey man, quick question: are the Aeon baseplates compatible with other hangers, such as the Calibers? I need lower angle baseplates for my Caliber 3s 9 inch
Im a street skater, but the technology in downhill always interested me, but my question is why do downhiller use such skinny trucks? Like i have wider ones on my deck, wouldnt the smaller truck make it less stable? Because from my experience on transiotion wider boards with wider trucks are more stable.
You're correct, smaller trucks are less stable. Downhillers used to use really wide trucks to maximize stability. As truck, wheel, and board technology got better, downhill skaters realized that modern gear is so good that you can sacrifice some stability in exchange for better turning, grip, and braking force in slides.
@@owencampbell777 oh that makes sense thank you. And have ever tried translucent bushings? Because i skate thunders and they always have clear bushings and they turn so good, and i also heard jamey foy saying the translucent bushings turn a lot better and i read some coments from people who work with urethane and they said the color effects how the urethane reacts and changes the durometer reading on it and they said when the urethane is slightly translucent it has better properties overall, so have ever tried translucent bushings?
dude i would love a comparison between this modded bear and some cut off modded caliber 3s raked. some broke riders out there would love it lol i mean, i'm riding caliber 3s and cant spend on precisions...
@@owencampbell777 Hey, your opinion is appreciated. I went in blind when I bought my pair of 130mm's for my landyachtz ripper, as they don't have a lot of reviews. My problem is that the only thing I can compare them with are the 155mm TKP's that came with the ripper. So the only thing I can say is that they're turnier than TKP's, which would be sad otherwise. And that they have some weird overly loud clacking noise when going from side to side sometimes. I wanted a pair of RKP's in ~9inch/155mm for more freeride stuff, and was kind of undecided if I should go for aeon's or something else. So after your review I'm kinda glad I went for Caliber's (that literally arrived during me typing this). So I'll get to see how they compare soon, I suppose. Read a comment by Motion Boardshop that they have a review coming, so it'll be interesting to see what they have to say as well.
@@owencampbell777 hey, apparently my reply got lost in the void. I definitely appreciate your opinion, my reply wasn't sarcastic. I bought the 130mm's and could only compare them to the tkp's they replaced. But by now I can say I think you're completely right.
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Companies should pay you to do in depth prototype reviews fr. If I was a business owner, ID WANT THIS FEEDBACK before launching a product!
Thanks for the affirmation, bro. I’d love to work in product development
bro... your reviews are top tier. NEVER stop posting man your the first guy i look for when looking for a product review 😂🙏
🙌 thank you!!
i was really interested in this product, this review is gold
You are truly value added to this community. You saved me money with these. Following your Patreon videos on them along the way helped me see they were not for me. The gear junky in me would have picked them up and learned the hard way.
Stay Rad.
That's great to hear, man. I'm glad you're getting value out of the content. Stoked to have you around
This review is pretty much on the level. I’ve been riding the 105 for about 6 months. The longer I ride them the more the flaws come out. Like you said, I got these mainly due to their size and wish not to pay precision prices. My 130 Bears skate way better. The Aeons are pretty stable at speed but turn like crap at cruising speed. Best thing I can say for them is as far as my Libido goes they fit it great. My friend describes their action as they flop more than turn.
"Flop more than turn" is a great way to describe them
@@owencampbell777 Jonathan Harms deserves the credit for that. Pretty spot on description.
Dang, I thought I was going to be riding broke man's Rojas. Thank you for these reviews, I wish we had more reviews like this where the reviewer is honest about the product.
What an excellent and honest review, keep up the good work!
Much appreciated!
Great detail review, thank you! I too was drawn to these trucks by the narrowness and baseplate angles. Great to know the short comings.
Great review! So impressive how deep you went this time. The printed bushing seat and other cast for comparison… really impressed
Thank you! Whenever I'm reviewing a product that I don't enjoy, I try to be extra thorough so that I can justify the criticism. Sometimes it has the reverse effect and changes my mind. This is not one of those times, lol
skating cast trucks with a cig in the patch. so based.
LMFAO I forgot I had a dart on that run
@@owencampbell777 fucking beast
I had the same experience in the old Gen 1s. I had to crank down the nut to eliminate the slop. It was okay, but kind of dead feeling. I went back to my bear gen 6s.
Great review, the detail you go in is always appreciated. I'd love to hear your take on rail match!
One day I’ll try to gather my thoughts on the subject
Owen is back at it again, really SHAKING things up with his stellar reviews.
Also, who is that funky-looking dude skating behind you? He looks slow. 😅
I think that dude designs trucks. He should send me a set to review
@@owencampbell777 hmmmm, I'll ask him and see if he has an old set laying around. 🤔
My friend modded some regular bushings to use on the Aeon and said he liked them better afterwards. I’ve been meaning to try that.
*Another top draw review! In-depth and thorough*
🤙🏽👌🏽👌🏽🤟🏽
The "proprietary" bushings are off-puttin but I had though it's a decent enough truck... until the things you shared! Great insights 👏🏽👏🏽
13:34 😎
😂😅
Was immediately curious what your take was on these when I saw the review announcement yesterday... Never watched a review that more accurately reflected my thoughts on a product. You either ride them so loose that they flop all over the place (without managing to turn much at all) or you ride them so wrenched down that they just don't feel good to ride (and still have really mid steering).
I bought these in the fleeting hope that they would be better than I had heard and demonstrate the market demand for non-precision trucks with a lower degree baseplate option... but it's back to bugging Bear every so often about the ever-on-the-horizon 30 degree Gen 6 cast baseplates 🙏
Bear could solve all of the conflict and suffering in the world if they release that damn 30 plate
Hey Owen I wad wondering if you could make an in-depth video on bushing setups. I personally don’t understand why people run different bushings boardside and roadside and stuff like that, so was wondering about that stuff.
That’a a great idea
Just an anecdote; People usually run a harder boardside bushing because the boardside bushings is what supports your weight while on the board.
Phenomenal Review, you are just great at putting hard to grasp riders experience into words!
I bought em for the same reason: split angle trucks, narrow hangers at a non precision price!
But when trying them, they kinda were left on the pile of gear that's not that fun.
it's a little sad, because they look great in theory. Still ride lots of stuff from seismic. Maybe not these...
Thank you! I also like your videos btw :)
Unrelated to the review but what you explained at 10:35 is such a hard concept to get someone trying splits for the first time to understand 😭
Unfortunately, I see lots of people trying to use the "slalom venom bushing combo" on normal cast trucks. Sometimes I just decide to bite my tongue instead of tell them why the 73/78 - 95/97 bushings don't work on all trucks
What about the idea of taking a round file or rotary rasp to reshape the bushing so it fits correctly? In your opinion would this fix these trucks?
I’m sure it would help, but I doubt it’s worthwhile unless you already own these trucks
I'm just one minute into this but was literally just about to press buy on a set of these. Could not have come at a better time. Really looking forward to your insights 👍
Hope it helps you make an informed decision!!
@@owencampbell777Guess you just saved me 170 euros. Now what I need is one cast truck to have a 30 ish degree baseplate so also f*ck me I guess. :(
Use wedged risers!! It’s a cheap way to achieve any angle you want
@@owencampbell777 I just don't want my ride height to be, and I quote (paraphrase maybe), ridiculous. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Understandable. Sometimes these are the sacrifices we gotta make
I'd say try the 155s. I've ridden both and the wider ones stick out as a stellar truck
For those of us that were around when these first released- none of this is new news. Which is sad because of how awesome seismic is in the wheel and (now) bushing market for the DH community. So much potential especially now that they have their own bushings. But just falls flat at every turn, literally.
I wonder how barrels would feel with the front truck to maybe make it turn a bit more. I know you can put two together and drill through the center to make them fit the trucks
looking forward to the in-depth review of that bear cast trucks
Unfortunately I’m not planning on doing one. I had to give the set back to the owner. I think Downhill254 has a good review of those trucks
I dunno what to say about them.
Soon as you showed the bushings I noticed the boardside base index and thought "...that looks (self censored)".
Having been a 'skater' since 1977 and in my 30's being a Surfer / shaper, I can tell you catagorically that 'Rail Match' is a thing IF you are dealing with anything other than a Single Fin Surfboard... it's to do with Hydrodynamics and skateboards dont have that cus y'know... concrete (censored) wave brah.
The good bit of this idiocy is it keeps the Skate Co.s alive for those of us with brains.
Sent from UK.
From what I've experienced with the Gen 1 version of these and what you said about the Gen 2, the bushings are like an overthought version of Venom Freerides without the ability to run anything else.
Personally I'd really like to see Seismic design a traditional RKP. Every truck they've released has some proprietary gimmick that forces them into an obscure niche. Innovation is obviously important for the industry, but is the innovation surrounding these really improving anything for the rider that just running a fatter standard bushing couldn't accomplish?
I'm wondering if you'll try to sand the inner bushing down to fit the seat better (not that you should have to.)
What if you tried printing off a seat with a smaller cylinder and make up for the rest of the cylinder radius with stuck down sandpaper?
The first suggestion might work. I think the second suggestion would throw off the geometry too much
The Aeons are a bit of a mixed bag. It's amazing that they come in many different widths and bushing combinations. They are also lightweight af. Good overall build quality. They are super stable, but what Seismic actually means is just heavily reduced turnability. The reason for this is the construction of the bushing. Thanks to the roller bar in the center, torsional compression in the bushing is eliminated to a high degree. Something you really want to have in a bushing and what is also responsible for the liveliness in a truck. For cruising they suck in my opinion. Just too stiff and restrictive. But this is something you may want in downhill. Btw regarding to Seismic Gen 1 and 2 should be mechanically identical so I don't know what's going on with that bushing problem.
Whoa
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK!! Fuck filters! I love this shit. The same shit happened with The new Cast Rogues with the pivot pins and I do not support putting out a broke ass product just to sell the shit. I do not support this plan of selling bad stuff when the riding is at such a high degree and needs something to help push the skill with their support. They aren’t helping anyone’s skill progress.
Hey man, quick question: are the Aeon baseplates compatible with other hangers, such as the Calibers? I need lower angle baseplates for my Caliber 3s 9 inch
I don’t think so. Wedges are a cheap way to do that
Pretty sure you can run an old Randal 35* plate with cals. Usually Sk8kings has single Randal plates in stock.
How do you think these would do in my first freeride setup? Because im leaning towards buying these
I think Calibers are wayyy better
Im a street skater, but the technology in downhill always interested me, but my question is why do downhiller use such skinny trucks? Like i have wider ones on my deck, wouldnt the smaller truck make it less stable? Because from my experience on transiotion wider boards with wider trucks are more stable.
You're correct, smaller trucks are less stable. Downhillers used to use really wide trucks to maximize stability. As truck, wheel, and board technology got better, downhill skaters realized that modern gear is so good that you can sacrifice some stability in exchange for better turning, grip, and braking force in slides.
@@owencampbell777 oh that makes sense thank you. And have ever tried translucent bushings? Because i skate thunders and they always have clear bushings and they turn so good, and i also heard jamey foy saying the translucent bushings turn a lot better and i read some coments from people who work with urethane and they said the color effects how the urethane reacts and changes the durometer reading on it and they said when the urethane is slightly translucent it has better properties overall, so have ever tried translucent bushings?
@fyjypko4207 I buy Venom and Riptide bushings, and they don’t make translucent urethane
dude i would love a comparison between this modded bear and some cut off modded caliber 3s raked. some broke riders out there would love it lol i mean, i'm riding caliber 3s and cant spend on precisions...
Yes
Id say it's bad that you are riding such small ones. You should try the 150mm or 130mm I think you have better time. How big are your feet?
All my complaints have nothing to do with the width. I’ve skated 3 other trucks at 100mm and have experienced great performance
Ah, good to know I should be disappointed in mine.
Just my opinion
@@owencampbell777 Hey, your opinion is appreciated. I went in blind when I bought my pair of 130mm's for my landyachtz ripper, as they don't have a lot of reviews.
My problem is that the only thing I can compare them with are the 155mm TKP's that came with the ripper. So the only thing I can say is that they're turnier than TKP's, which would be sad otherwise. And that they have some weird overly loud clacking noise when going from side to side sometimes.
I wanted a pair of RKP's in ~9inch/155mm for more freeride stuff, and was kind of undecided if I should go for aeon's or something else. So after your review I'm kinda glad I went for Caliber's (that literally arrived during me typing this). So I'll get to see how they compare soon, I suppose.
Read a comment by Motion Boardshop that they have a review coming, so it'll be interesting to see what they have to say as well.
@@owencampbell777 hey, apparently my reply got lost in the void.
I definitely appreciate your opinion, my reply wasn't sarcastic. I bought the 130mm's and could only compare them to the tkp's they replaced.
But by now I can say I think you're completely right.