ERIC BISCHOFF: "BOOKER T is *WRONG* there was SOMETHING OFF WITH STING!"
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- Eric Bischoff pushes back on Booker T's take on "Who Killed WCW?" ep1. Bischoff says Booker T is wrong on Sting's state of mind heading into the Hollywood Hulk Hogan match at Starrcade 1997.
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"We had a plan, it was a year long plan and it was in motion and that day suddenly it wasn't in motion like it was anymore. -Sting
Yeah because Sting didn't workout the whole year, he didn't even bother to get a tan, his arms looked really pale. If you're making "Sting money," then you're expected to show up and be ready to perform
Even if he was “off”, he still left with the belt. Why f it all up in the process? He showed up and was competent to perform. It wasn’t a Jeff Hardy situation. No excuse for it.
They can say what they want, Hogan’s ego is what screwed the match up. Sting had his personal demons but they weren’t effecting his performance on that night. Sting never appeared unable to perform on television.
So he needed to collpase in the ring for you to be ok with it or in the following weeks. Jesus you weirdos.
That didn’t work for Hogan brother
That was Conrad's entire argument. Then they put the belt back on Sting at Superbrawl 98. Something stinks with Bischoff on this one.
There's almost no scenario where Sting isn't winning the belt that night. They spent a year building up to this, it was probably one of the top 5 most watched matches in wrestling history. Unless it really was a Jeff Hardy type scenario Sting is winning the belt, my god you thing fans are bitter now, imagine if he didn't even win. But if you have lost confidence in him as a champion and face of the company, you are already planning on having him drop the belt back pretty soon, so the logic, dumb logic is not to have him beat Hogan clean if you're going to get the belt back to Hogan, why make Hogan look bad if Sting isn't going to be "the guy" moving forward?
Booker is correct, Bischoff has been telling this lie so long, he's starting to believe it.
Bischoff went with his best friend and ruined the finish.
it wouldnt matter if eric didnt want to people seem to not get what creative control means in a contract. if Hogan wanted to go out and do the finger poke of doom with sting eric had to do it. Hogan had complete control of his character and where it went period
Sting did look smaller than he used to. The pale actually would've made sense storyline wise because he's been up in the rafters for over a year. Lol. So I don't know what Eric's problem was with that. But he didn't look out of it. However none of us were there. Maybe sting did walk in the day of starrcade out of it mentally. I just feel like Eric has some blame there. He could've checked in on him a little. Whatever. It's all over now. And all involved are living pretty good lives.
Sting looked horrible@@hellohell77
Everyone needs a friend who’ll defend them the way Eric defends Hulk
Pay me millions and then be my hype man for life
Let me get this straight: Was ist Sting's fault that Nick Patrick counted a 3 count in like 10 seconds and made Sting look weak and Bret Hart look stupid? Ok Eric lmao
Even if Sting seemed off, it’s still insanely idiotic to set up a plan for over a year as you stated you did and then switch it a few hours before the match for a reason that you have never clearly articulated. Someone seeming off is incredibly vague, so much so as to almost have no meaning. This was then compounded by incompetently not making sure that your referee understood exactly his crucial role in the finish that you switched at the last second.
💯 ... Not only did the ref not understand, neither Sting or Bret even knew about the change. 5 ppl involved, only 3 know about the count change, the boss, his friend w/ creative control & the ref. It's underhanded, sneaky, & selfish.
This the same guy that defended the Finger Poke Of Doom
This is where I believe Bret Hart when he says Eric had no idea what he was doing in WCW. Hulk Hogan had Eric Bischoff dangling like a puppet on a string. I understand Eric likes to deflect a lot, but I’m sure many of the boys would agree with what Bret Hart says. It wasn’t completely Eric’s fault that WCW died. A lot of people had a hand in that including Vince, Russo, Ted Turner, Jamie Keller, Time Warner, Hulk, Hogan, and Eric.
Bret Hart's ridiculous contract didn't exactly help....He demanded to be the highest paid wrestler in WCW and fans didn't care about him. Too many delusional guys in the locker room thinking they could draw when they couldn't.
@@AbnormalPecker Who paid him
@@Ghostface-1393 I agree. It was a trainwreck decision. Let him be Vince's headache. He wasn't drawing for sh*t, so why overpay? Just dumb.
Bret hart was garbage in wcw. Dude couldn't carry weight around
The issue is Sting “seeming off” isn’t a good enough answer. I’m sure there were days Hulk seemed off but still went over. It’s not a good enough excuse to not pay off a great build. People seem off at work everyday, but still do business. Until this is further clarified, I imagine the overriding opinion will stay the same.
Sting was dealing with personal issues
I don’t doubt that Sting seemed off on the day, but Hogan and Bischoff also called on audible on Bobby Roode winning the world title at Bound for Glory because Hogan just didn’t see Roode as a star. That was after months of building him and the whole Bound for Glory series. The response from fans when Angle retained was awful, especially as Angle himself had a bad injury and would drop the title meaninglessly to James Storm days later. Sometimes you need to pull the trigger on the storyline and give the audience what they want. Sting should have won, but Hogan didn’t see him as a star.
@@jahdorose8659I'm not sure if you're just being condescending but as oppose to whom? According to whom? Anything to NOT admit; "that doesn't work for me, brother." If that was the case, why change the day of? As some1 who works in the field, as his' boss, being they're gonna "finish" an 18-month storyline, eric waits till that day?
@@jahdorose8659so eric had 0 clue what was going on with the guy he was asking his' hero terry to "put over" until that night? I do NOT believe that & if ANY1 does, they're a MARK!
@@jahdorose8659sting was going through a divorce but it still wasn’t the reason why the match was bad
There is one very important point that Eric misses every time. Quoting Vince MxMahon "My number one responsibility is to my audience." You had one of the greatest story-lines in wrestling history going for one and half years. Starrcade 1997 was time for the payoff. It had the highest buy-rate in WCW pay-per-view history. Everyone watched specifically to see Sting beat Hogan. Sting coming in out-of-shape or not in the right mindset should've been completely irrelevant. There was only one acceptable booking finish to that match and that was Sting beating Hogan clean with no screwball finish. If Sting was in such "a bad place" mentally, Eric could've always chosen to take the belt off of him. Starrcade was not the night for a screw-up finish and Eric's entire audience were justifiably angry by his disastrous decision.
Booker T did say over 20+ years, the same thing. He just was a Sting-guy.
I believe Sting did an interview with The K&C Masterpiece about 2yrs ago. Sting stated that he didn’t know what was going on. Changes were still being made that day. Eric is right only he and Hogan knows the real reason but I’m not buying he seemed off or he wasn’t tan crap.
The real reason was that Hogan didn't want to lose to Sting Clean at the biggest wrestling show of the year so he protested and got the finish changed.
Oh, come off it! Most of us were 8 and 9 years old at the time and all knew it was Hogan even then. One could just tell straight away.
What did Sting’s condition have to do with Nick Patrick not fast counting? The whole point of Bret getting involved was there had to be a fast count for him to correct.
You can poke holes in nearly anything Eric says
That loyalty is serious. He's not giving him up, guys
Sting was probably off because he’s got to be thinking : We’re just NOW coming up with the finish at the event?!!
Sting has come out and said he was dealing with drug issues at this time.
@@markellzey1531that can definitely be a problem
@@markellzey1531
If that's true, then that completely explains it.
Eric probably knows this and just hasn't directly said it.
I would be apprehensive about putting the belt on a guy with drug issues at the time as well.
But I wonder if people will research that.
@@ddavis8988plus Stings Dad had died that year as well. But no mark mentions that either.
Sting had a Christian documentary years ago. He talked about this being on drugs etc. he was out of it that night. If that is true, Eric and Hogan were right to do what they did.
Maybe he was off cause Sting knew Hogan was gonna fuck him over
Right?! Had to be frustrating to work with.
which bischoff in the documentary acknowledged. he acknowledged that sting was likely "not in the right state of mind" because he realized at the meeting Hogan had played his creative control card.
It's just ludicrous that Eric acts like Hogan wasn't political at all. He was selfless and only in it for the good of the business.
He didn't say Hogan wasn't political. Just that it wasn't a factor in this situation. Unless you were there and have some insight that we missed.
@@stlfatman So by your logic, unless you were one of the few people involved, you aren't allowed to have an opinion on the matter. Great idea. Just believe whatever Eric Bischoff says and don't question it, even if it sounds a bit off, because we weren't there. K.
Bischoff is such an applogist for Hogan.
He's apologizing for Sting's drug abuse and inability to cut the mustard, actually.
I agree with Booker T. Nothing was wrong with Sting. He may have been a tad out of shape. But he didn't get blown up in the match. All you have to do is watch the match. Before it started Patrick asked Hogan something. And Hogan had a direct answer for him. Just watch the match.
Let’s assume everything they are saying about Sting is correct. They still had a match and he left with the strap. So the booking has nothing to do with him being “off”.
This was 18 months in the making do not care where his head was at. Drop it clean figure out where go from there. The pop he would have gotten would have been like Grest American Bash 1990 when he beat Flair for the title
THANK YOU!!! I've been saying this for what's it been, 27 years? I've said this all along.. Sting should have beat Hogan clean, period. No DQ's no outside interference no false finishes no ridiculous gimmicky bullshit...
A huge, MASSIVE part of WHY wcw was so successful over WWF during this time was because of Sting. the diehard WCW fans like myself tuned in each week to see Sting battle the nWo. Everything about it was perfect; the underdog, the hometown hero, the big fish in a small pond, Sting the face of WCW being the man that finally take down the villainous nWo and hogan.. Sting was the WCW brand, through and through. It would have made perfect sense for him to be the one to overcome the obstacles, beat the odds, and take down this heel group of former WWF guys who have overrun WCW...
I will die on this hill. If starcade 97 hadn't been such a collosal fuckup, I believe WCW might have actually won the Monday night wars... Maybe that's a stretch, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Vince/WWF would have gone out of business or anything.. but damnit if starcade 97 had actually delivered the goods and the PAYOFF to the longtime WCW fans who remained loyal... I don't think WCW would have failed, gone out of business..
I'm 39 years old and I still get disgusted thinking about this. Fuck hogan fuck bischoff fuck Nick Patrick fuck all of you pieces of trash for ruining what should have been the greatest moment in WCW's history..
The whole nWo, Sting going dark/character change and everything? That insanely long buildup? Simultaneously the greatest long term/long game buildup in the history of wrestling, AND unfortunately also the single greatest disappointment/letdown..
And throughout all the years since 27 years since starcade 97, Sting has remained a class act, with respect and dignity, and to this day he STILL won't talk shit or badmouth hogan or eric. Even though we all KNOW he'd be perfectly justified in doing so, the man has refused to sink to that level and bash them in the press... we love you stinger god bless you sir! You taught many a young fan to stay true to yourself and to do the right thing, and to stand up for what is RIGHT... My childhood hero and forever the goat in my eyes..
✌️❤️🦂🦂🦂
Hogan, once again, chose himself over any persons or companies. Maybe Sting looked off cuz he Already knew hogans antics and knew he was about to get fucked
Funny how yall try to say this when hogan lost more matches than he won😂
We remember Starrcade 1997 for all the wrong reasons, it should've been one of the iconic nights in wrestling history. But instead it was a poorly booked match. It would be great to Hogan's input, oddly nobody ever asks him
Hogan will never tell the truth about what happened that night at starcade. That’s probably
why no one ever asks him about it.
@@jmi84 truth y ask when hes gonna lie his ass off n u just gonna get heated
He fucking lies that why. There is no point in asking.
He won’t ever answer if someone asked him bc “that don’t work for me brother “
..I like the ending - because it wanted me to see more. Sting has 6-0 in single matches vs Hogan. So Hogan wasn't selfish at all. Sting won every match he had against him.
Face it. He will never admit his best friend Hogan is wrong. That ppv was the catalyst, in my opinion, for the fall of WCW. Their biggest PPV and they blew it. It was make or break and they flopped. Let’s look at the flip side. Wrestlemania 14. The WWFs most pivotal PPV in that era, and minus Shawn’s performance (which was still great just not HBK) and they knocked it out of the park.
This is WCW’s version of the Montreal Screw Job.
Almost identical
Yup, ironically involving Bret Hart. Hulk wanted his version of it and he got it.
There's something I never get here: Plan A was to have Sting win clean. Hogan/Bischoff think something is up with Sting so plan B is to do a screwy finish - that's the point Eric always labors to make and I actually have no problem with. But Eric never addresses why Hogan may have asked Nick Patrick to do a regular count? That ruined the finish and is what annoys people the most, not the change!
For all we know the reff lied about hogan. Why would hogan go against the original plan that would backfire on hogan and eric?
@@RagingUtai Yes, I'd never thought that. I guess we're never gonna get Sting, Eric, Hogan and Nick P in a panel interview are we!
It’s 2024 Eric. Why can’t you just tell the truth? Hogan wanted to play politics to keep his “spot” as world champion. Sting was going to leave with the belt anyway and obviously whatever was “off” with Sting wasn’t enough to completely change that decision. Nick Patrick has publicly stated that Hogan told him to count nice and slow. That’s someone who WAS in the room. You continuing to lie about Hogan makes you look like a revisionist who’s trying to look good and not tell the truth. You built a story for around a year and a half only to bury your top babyface because Hogan played his creative control to have an out against Sting. Bischoff said in that first episode of “who killed WCW” that Sting didn’t trust Hogan & that Sting “manifested” that ending. Bullsh*t! Hogan manifested that because he didn’t want anyone else as world champion. He pulled the same sh*t with everyone. Savage, Flair, Piper, Sting, Jarrett, The Giant, and literally many others while he was in WCW. He had Bischoff bring in The Warrior just to get his win over Warrior to avenge his WM loss to Warrior from WWF. Bischoff let Hogan do whatever he wanted. The fact that he continues to lie about this makes him look like a used car salesman.
Bischoff trying to justify the ending of Starrcade 97, attempt no. 8452
Sting still won thentitle though so it's all good
According to Bischoff hes the only one allowed to discuss what happened in WCW
You wouldn't know booker he wasn't tan
There is no doubt in my mind that Hogan screwed Sting. Eric built the story for over a year. It's obvious to the world that Sting was going over. Hogan used his creative control and stroke to make the finish seem botched. This is coming from a huge Hollywood Hogan fan. I always liked the heel.
Something was off with sting for 18 months, 😂😂 if I remember rightly did hogan and Eric say sting was to thin and white, I mean not being bronze like he was when he was surfer 🏄♀️ sting, well for 18 months he put everything into that character, he was awesome 👏. He was slimmed down and was pale white exactly how Brandon lees crow looked. He wanted revenge in the storyline but all we got was a nice normal 3 count and that was it. Instead of a clean win for the stinger 🖤🤍
Would love to hear a pod with Eric, Hulk and sting disgusting the angle and finish
Booker T is still correct
That line about Sting being "off" is such nonsense. It's a TV show. If James Gandolfini was a bit "off" on the set of The Sopranos, would they change the outcome of a storyline involving Tony Soprano? No, of course not. He was an actor. He'd put any issues aside and act out the script that he'd been given. The same applies with Steve Boardman. Bischoff is so full of it. He's in total denial about being in Hogan's back pocket.
Bischoff should've been the boss and convinced Hogan to do what was right. Instead, he let 18 months of build go to waste and fumbled the signing of Bret Hart in the same match, a guy who everyone in both companies was talking about.
Bret hart sucked in wcw
I think Booker is right and Hogan is selfish.
Oh come on Eric! Whether Sting was "off" or not, you and Hogan screwed up what could have been the biggest nights in wrestling history to placate Hogan's ego.
People also forgot about the aftermath of Starrcade when Sting/Hogan had a rematch in Nitro after and Nitro ended mid match and they ended up showing it on Thunder after they stripped Sting of the belt. I wouldn't say their Superbrawl match was supremely booked, either tbh.
So in 27 years, Bischoff has changed his story multiple times. First he blamed Nick Patrick for the slow count and said the plan was always for Sting to win clean. Then he claimed the fast count was a punishment for Sting showing up "out of shape" when anyone can see hes clesrly jacked. Then he said he had nothing to do with booking the match, then said he did.
Now hes trying to insinuate drugs, dude needs to go away and stay gone. Sting wont even comment on the matchanymkre, because hes too nice to call Bischoff out for being a lying sack.
Everybody that's ever worked with Sting can vouch for his integrity and professionalism. Can we say the same about Easy E and the Huckster? I don't think so brother!
The issue is Eric is going to defend Hogan to the grave no matter WHAT he does.
Meltzer to AEW = Bischoff to Hulk Hogan
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I'm a huge Hollywood Hogan mark and even I see it..Sting got screwed.
Thank you for addressing my question. Hope you and Loree can make the 250 mile road trip :)
Hogan screwed up the finish at Starrcade period… That history can not be re written I also want a loyal friend like Eric that refuses to throw his friend (Hogan) under the bus. Its part of what I like about Eric… I am loyal to a fault also
Right why can't Eric just say Hulk did what Hulk does
To be fair. Hogan was selfish. Not saying he was "that night", but yeah.
With all due respect. Too many “ that doesn’t work for me brothers” for there not to be smoke
"Doesn't work for me, brother!"
This is NOT about whether Sting was off or not the question after 27 years is still WHO booked that terrible finish??? Nice way to distract the real issue while putting the blame on Sting's state of mind.
Hogan was changing things behind the scenes most likely.
@@yankee4424 definitely
Hogan did. He had creative control and used it.
Hogan didnt wanna lose clean that was a dumb finish and it took away from stings victory nomatter where stings head was at.sting was always a team player and eric was helping hogan look good in a loss..
But they made it the next night on Nitro, and then again at the next PPV? I love Eric, and understand he loves Hogan as a lifetime friend. Yet he’s clearly covering for him here.
Bringing Hogan into WCW was a great idea because their ratings did suck, but to give Hogan creative control over his matches was about the dumbest crap I ever heard. At that point in WCW Hogan was in it for a payday and only himself, and 99% of the time when they make last minute decisions like that it's never good.
Hogan has proven himself to be a revisionist and a liar. Eric has covered for him for years. Starcade 97 should have been a crowning moment and it was a fizzle out depressing moment
As soon as Bischoff started talking, my eyes started rolling. I know Eric has always been a Hogan cheerleader, but just admit you f---ked up the finish to Starrcade. It's like whenever the topic of the "Fingerpoke of doom" is brought up.... 🙄
lol finger poke ask eric b or nash on legends of wrestling they admit it was bad yet with sean oliver they act like children hey it worked cause it pissed u off ahh no it was stupid!!!!
I don't understand the reasoning of Sting seeming off. It just seems weird to me that that is being used as an excuse to have a convoluted and idiotic ending and yet still putting the belt on Sting. Had he not won the belt and Hogan kept it Then this excuse would make more sense. But to use that is the excuse why the ending was a total f*** up just seems idiotic.
My belief in the whole thing is that Hogan didn't want to lose cleanly so what he did is he told the ref to count normally so the ending would be a total f*** up. I mean, back at WrestleMania 6 hulk Hogan lost to the ultimate warrior but you notice right after the three count he kicked out. He didn't want to lose super clean so he made it look like he just missed kicking out. Then he had to hand the ultimate warrior the belt so he could still be in the spotlight. I mean, I loved hulk Hogan but with some of his shenanigans and with some of his lies he's kind of a jerk.
Was there no story for sting after? And if there was - what was it?
Rematch with Hogan at SuperBrawl. Then he went on to feud with Randy Savage where he lost the belt to Savage at Spring Stampede.
Or... Booker had previous experience with Hogan and knows what kind of person he is?
That experience was?
@@Violent_WolfenBash at the Beach 2000, look it up.
At least Bret started quite literally as he meant to go on: ‘thank you WCW, now go F yourselves, heh, would some it up’ 😆
I honestly wish someone would ask Eric. If you had to audible and go to plan B. What was plan A and why did Sting's mental health or his presence or whatever descriptor you wanna use, whatever it was, why and how was it an impediment to plan A?
It gets harder and harder to listen to Eric's bullsh!t about starrcade 97. The dude is seriously delusional about that situation.
Bischoff is delusional most of the time
Sting himself in his Christian documentary said he was in a dark place on drugs and over coming the death of his father. Admitted that he wasn’t in the right place mentally. Eric isn’t telling lies here, but he’s not trying to throw Sting under the bus either.
@@ChromeFamily I have listened to Eric tell this story a dozen different times. He has consistently changed intricate parts of the story, to the point where I don't know what the truth is, and neither does he.
I watched the clip of Nick Patrick on Chris Van Vliet's show and I think that thing shed's the most light on this. Patrick said on the day of Starrcade 1997, he showed up to the arena, Bischoff met him, told him to do a proper 1,2,3 on the spot where Hogan pinned Sting. Patrick said that Hogan then came to him and told him to do a nice slooow count 1...2...3. And Patrick then said Sting came to him and told him to do a bam, bam, bam, 1,2,3 fast count.
And he added he couldn't get hold of Bischoff again once during the entire day.
He said that he felt like he was being set up to take blame for the finish and feared for his job, so he just decided to do what Bischoff told him and did a slightly faster than his usual count, which was a bit slower, more dramatic, than most counts at that time.
And he also said on Bischoff's 83 weeks podcast, Eric told Patrick that Sting came into the locker room meeting with Hogan and Bischoff saying "so how are you going to screw me?", which is probably what was then used by Hogan and Bischoff against him as being weird, unprofessional, etc. Because that's what people like Hogan especially do at workplaces, they scheme, create some chaos around a clear issue to sabotage someone else, they act like they have a reason, and if that sabotaged person directly calls the BS out, they act offended and bewildered, like "what's his problem?" and if the boss supports this bullshit act, then the sabotaged person is fucked.
I think if this is all correct, it's clear the finish should've always been the Bret schmozz. But it makes absolutely no sense in any other situation, other than that Patrick does a fast count for Hogan. Hogan was fucking with the finish, and Bischoff simply decided to be diplomatic, like he always is, and asked for a regular count and then avoided Patrick because he didn't want to make an actual decision. And Hogan just went to business for himself and tried to sabotage the finish, while Sting rightfully saw this being done, so he went to Patrick too and tried to persuade him to do it his way. And Patrick did the only thing he could to save his job obviously - follow what Bischoff told him.
If this is correct and Sting didn't show up drunk, or high, him opening the meeting with "so how are you going to screw me?" was a weak move on Sting's part, because by that point, it must've been clear Hogan was looking for any bullshit excuse to get out of the finish. I mean questioning a guy's tan?
So if this is correct, you know, Eric admits a mistake on almost everything he did wrong, but Starrcade 1997 is that one sore spot, where, probably out of fear of antagonizing Hulk still, he just continues to be full of shit. Becuase if he wasn't, it's clear the people to blame are Hogan and Bischoff, although with Hogan's creative control in the contract, it's actually a miracle we got at least some Sting win here.
But still, Sting got fucked and Bret got fucked.
It’s absolutely ridiculous for Bischoff to still be peddling this loose fitting narrative all these years later. I’ve heard Eric criticise pretty much every member of the WCW roster at one point or another, but he just straight up refuses to do so with Hogan. Every decision Hulk made was for the greater good. This “Hulk only used his creative control this one time” is ridiculous at this point too.
Kevin Sullivan and Arn Anderson have both spoken about Hogan using his stroke multiple times. Kevin Nash has stated in multiple interviews that the hardest part of being WCW booker for him was having everything all planned out only for Hogan to roll into the arena late and say “that doesn’t work for me, brother”, leaving Nash to rewrite the show as it was getting ready to air.
This whole thing with Sting is just bizarre though. Maybe he was going through some personal stuff. But he still went out there and performed and the crowd loved him. Even after the clusterfuck of a finish he still went out the next night, and the next week, and the crowd couldn’t get enough of him. Bischoff alludes to Sting not being able to carry the torch of WCW because he looked off or wasn’t tanned enough, yet he rose to the occasion and became WCW’s hottest guy. If they had that much concern about Sting then they should have gone with a different finish because the one they used just took away from, not only Sting’s, but what should have been WCW’s shining moment.
I love hearing about pro wrestling history from the people who were there, and I generally like listening to Eric’s perspective, but his undying allegiance to Hulk Hogan and his unwillingness to ever say anything negative about Hulk is exactly the same as his criticism of Dave Meltzer for his refusal to criticise AEW.
Booker T told the truth you can tell by the way Eric is talking about it. On a side note who has a notorious record of not doing the job brother
The problem is many others have said for years the same things about Hogan in WCW. At some point everyone isn’t a lier.
I wanna hear what Sting has to say about this. Hogan and Bischoff keep running their mouths about Sting and I haven't heard him validate their story.
Sting just avoids it entirely, so you're not getting that answer.
@@Violent_Wolfen I wonder if he's ok with known liars such as Hogan and Bischoff setting the narrative for how things went down in Starcade. I know he's too smart to get into a mudslinging match but it doesn't sit right with me that they've slandered Sting when he was an absolute stalwart and professional for decades in WCW.
"HE WASN'T EVEN TAN!!!!"
This excuse doesn't work for me brother
Whether or not there was something off with Sting, the only correct thing to do that night was to have Sting go over clean and take things from there. I don't care if Sting was as messed up as Jeff Hardy was at Victory Road '11. This is just Bischoff running cover for Hogan's raggedy ass!
Stings beats Hogan was the only way possible for this to go and the match was over a year in the making. Why are trying to figure this out the day of????
I love Eric and Hogan but they clearly went into business for themselves that night. Rather Sting seemed off or not didn't matter, he was able to go out there and perform and carry on the momentum that was built up. You could have given Sting the belt and just let him do promos for a few weeks while things were worked through. The importance of keeping the momentum they built was priority number one and they dropped the ball.
Booker does not have to be there to know what's going on like everyone else, and Bret is not bitter or depressed he just thinks you're an idiot
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Bischoff keeps saying "it wasn't this, it wasn't that, it wasn't the other" yada yada. How about he comes out clean and tells the world what exactly happened instead of deflecting and throwing elbows at Booker T and Bret Hart. Who said what? Who made what call and who didn't go with the gameplan? Until he does that he's just a carny trying to spin a narrative.
You know how come nick Patrick doesn’t get more blame? He could have easily just done the fast count. I remember when I watched it the first time I just assumed he botched the count
WWF Bret > anything Eric or WCW ever did. Don't need to be bitter to see the Sting finish was a joke and the millions paid for Bret was wasted by the company, take the credit Bischoff
Eric you’re not gonna change our minds Hogans history speaks for itself!!
Booker t puts the blame on Eric and Hulk Hogan, but you will never hear him criticize Triple H or Vince McMahon and this only shows whether he is actually a logical and honest person or not But the Eric, Hulk and even Vince Russo haters won't admit it. When Mr. Booker says that Hulk Hogan only thinks about himself, but he and his brother admitted that Hogan was the one who asked WCW management to push the Harlem Heat team. I don't understand how he can only think about himself and at the same time help your team, Booker T?? Eric Bischoff was suffering from people above him who were interfering in his decisions, so Eric is not the final boss as is the case with Vince McMahon, but Booker T and Eric's haters do not understand that and only like to lie to themselves. WCW would have closed its doors from day one before Eric, Hulk, or Russo arrived. They had nothing to do with the death of the company. This company was opened only to be closed . booker T is a WWE A kisser an You admit that your salary was 15 thousand dollars a year, and when Hogan came and WCW rose because of him, your salary became 100 thousand dollars, and yet you criticize him? Say thank you to Hogan instead of spreading lies about him. He helped your team, you and your brother, and because of him your salary increased. Say thank you, Booker, and don't talk about behind the scenes and WCW business and things you don't know Because you weren't in the room with Eric, Hulk, and others. Even though Triple H buried you at WrestleMania 19, you still defended him and that match. I know very well that you are not satisfied with that match, but you lie when you defend Triple H, just as you lie when you accuse Hulk Hogan and Eric. . You 'Hunter and Vince's ass kisser .
So what was it? What was wrong with Sting?
Bischoff held onto Hogan for too long and allowed his ego to come at the expense of the show. He didn’t really acknowledge Hall and Nash as the gatekeepers. Imagine if he had allowed Sting to win, then you bring in Bret Hart as a heel /NWO champ while acknowledging Hall and Nash as the continued foundation for the invasion angle.
I would have stuck around and watched that.
Seemed off cause he knew hulk and Eric was gonna screw him over. Bischoff ruined any chance of being taken seriously long term when he hooked up with hogan
I kove eric , but hogan was looking for himself and sting was thinking about it as a team. Bishoff was star gazed with hogan
So it was 2 MEN & eric (terry's fan boy) I don't believe eric, he's a liar & is actually calling Booker a liar. The effrontery, like Sting wasn't pumped about going over vs hogan @ their WM.
I’ve never heard Eric say that Hulk Hogan was ever wrong. If I’m wrong someone let me know
Eric underestimates the damage that Starcade 97 and the finger poke of doom did to WCW. The audience had lost all faith in the company after those mistakes!
Absolutely VINTAGE "eric." From the STUPID smile, (smile now that VKM put YOU under!) to "i beat wwf for 82 weeks...(out of Then, Now, & Forever) If it worked, it was my idea. When we went under, i had 0 control. Which is it, eric?
The problem with Bischoff regarding this subject is that he always goes for the cop out and says something like, "Sting was off so we made the decision that we made, right or wrong." Except I don't think he's ever gone on record as to say what that decision actually was and how it was supposed to go down.
Because the truth is that it was supposed to be a swervy finish but Hogan told Patrick to count slow back stage and Bischoff knows it but he won't throw Hogan under the bus. There's no other scenario that makes sense.
Patrick was definitely supposed to count 3. That's why Sting didn’t kick out. The 3 count had to happen to get to the finish of the match.
Obviously, the count was supposed to be fast because that's how Bret was supposed to get involved. If done correctly, I don't have a problem with this finish.
But what actually happened is that Hogan told Patrick to count slow back stage and Bischoff failed to take ownership of his biggest event of the year by ensuring all parties involved knew what was supoosed to happen.
Him and Hogan have a profitable relationship and he knows he had his own failures in this situation so dodges the questions every time.
Maybe miscommunication.. First he hears fast count, then slow count. Then panicked in the heat of moment
@@RagingUtai Fast count is obviously the plan. Which means whoever said slow count, lied on purpose. Remember Bischoff's own words: only 3 people were in the room.
@@joes4194 has sting ever talked about this ?
@@RagingUtai I'm sure that he has. I've seen one interview for sure where the question was asked. I'm sure there has been others. But in the one interview that I saw where he talked about it, he took the very political approach. "You'll have to ask those guys what happened."
@@joes4194 i'm about to watch episode 2
Watching the ppv live I also thought Sting was off, so not surprised Hogan changed the finish. My issue is Eric didn't get Hogan, Sting, Hart and Patrick in one room and make sure the finish was clear and agreed upon by all.
eric doesn't want to say it because he respects sting but sting was having drug issues at the time
90% of the industry had drug issues at the time
Exactly...It later came out in Sting's book.
Well yeah, he knew Hogan was gonna mess with things. And he did. Wouldn't make anybody excited to be there.
Bishoff is lying in an effort to cover for himself and hogan refusing to lose clean to sting which is what the majority of WCW a fans wanted at time and it was what was best for the company and the business, any ending to the starcade match other than sting winning clean would’ve been bad for WCW and that’s exactly what happened, it reminds me of the Austin / Sean Michaels match , the only logical ending to that match was Austin beating Sean because that’s what 90 percent of the fans wanted and the momentum of Austin’s career called for it, if Vince would have had Michaels defeat Austin in that match it would have just been bad business for the WWE , and you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out
Hogan screwed up everything and Sting was like you know what hulk... F you. They were friends and then he realized what a real piece of garbage hulk was. He did it to himself. WCWs version of the Montreal screw job. Stings screwjob was the day after starrcade
everyone of you are a bunch of marks. let's blame bischoff and hogan for everything that went wrong with wcw. oh no it's no one's elses fault but let's blame it all on hogan and bischoff
I'll believe Sting over anyone else. He's said time & time again never wavered... "We had a plan & for whatever reason when I showed up to the arena the plan changed." So yeah i'd say (to use Mr. Bischoffs words) "he was a little off"... If i had worked on something for over a year and then at the end of it you wanna start changing it... yeah i'd be "a little off" honestly i'd been extremely PISSED OFF, but the Stinger is a pro and a class act. Always has been always will be. With all that said... Cannot take away from what they did. That was the absolute best story telling in wrestling HISTORY. EVERYONE involved should be commended on that accomplishment. Was an amazing time.
I'm not going to pretend for absolute certainty what happened, but i do know 1 thing: nobody walked away from that discussion knowing what the finish was supposed to look like, and it makes them all look bad. When it comes down to the biggest match in the biggest story in wrestling at that point, there was NO excuse whatsoever as to why that should've happened. Everybody involved should've known what they were supposed to do going into that match.
Same old bullshit. If Hulk Hogan wasn't selfish then WHY did he tell Nick Patrick to slow down the finish?
Eric, enough is enough.
No more Conrad! He's boring and annoying.
Booker T responded on his podcast today and both of you guys should talk about it together on either one of yall podcasts
Leave it to Hogan & Bischoff to screw things up
bischoff acknowledged by Sting's head wasn't right in the very documentary. He said, his words, that Sting seemed to realize in that pre-show meeting that the program they'd planned for a year was about to be undercut because hogan was playing his creative control card.... i mean other people heard him say that right?