ERIC BISCHOFF: "SORRY, but PROMOS are *more important* than MATCHES!"
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Eric Bischoff says promos are more important in WWE and AEW than actual wrestling matches.
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Like Paul Heyman says. “Who are these people, Why are they fighting and why should I pay to see it?”
100% Heyman 👑
Heyman is a fool. Watch the match, if you are impressed, then you'll wantto tune in next time. It's sad that wrestling has got to a stage where the drame outside the ring is more important. No wonder why the wrestling is below avergae for the most part.
@@RagingUtai judging from the huge numbers and crowd engagement they're getting with focusing more on drama outside the ring and character development, how can you say that Heyman was wrong?
@@RagingUtaiUnless Wrestling has been about the drama for decades at this point. Why do you think people wanted to see Dusty, Flair, Hogan, and Andre? It was the drama and their larger than life personas
@@RagingUtaiYou're the fool. Wrestling is a TV show just like any other. The story and characters matter just like any other show. If you aren't invested in the plot and characters then you have no reason to see the fights. It's no different than anime or any other media. You watch to find out what will happen. Just random fighting will become boring fast. Why were people invested in Goku vs Frieza? Because Frieza murdered millions and wants to destroy the last of Goku's race. People watched to see Goku finally take him down and avenge the universe. Why did people watch Avengers Infinity War? Because the main villain that has been orchestrating almost everything since the beginning has finally come to alter everyone's life as they know it. REASON is the key word here. Without reason, there is no substance. The greatest matches of all time were all linked to stories. Undertaker vs HBK. Undertaker vs Kane. Batista vs Triple H. John Cena vs JBL. This is one of the reasons why AEW is failing. They just throw random matches together. You are the one who doesn't understand how wrestling works.
He ain't wrong. You can have a 5 star match, but it only means something if you care about the people involved in that match. And that only comes from promos and story
Not true. You can learn a lot about someone from how they present themeselves and thier actions in the ring. Guts, determination, etc, there are times where the wrestling match tells a story and is just a joy to watch. When you have 2 great wrestlers in the ring, you don't need a story to make magic happen.
Look at for example bret vs stone cold at wrestlemania, I can't even remember the story leading up to the match, but everyone remembers the match itself and how epic it was.
@@RagingUtaithey literally told a story during the match. Bret was doing heel like moves and Austin’s toughness captured the fans even more by not tapping out. That’s story telling. Now if all they did was no sell every thing and were shooting then we’d just watch modern day ufc with wrestling moves.
Exactly, you nailed it. Imagine how much better that Bryan Danielson versus Will Ospreay match would have been if there was actually a real storyline and a BUILD UP to it.
@@donmegadonmega3533 the story was told in the match. The orignal post was about story telling outside the actual wrestling match. Like promos words being spoken.
@RagingUtai That is still story telling.
None of these current "top guys" understand that aspect of wrestling. They do shit that they think will look cool for the sake of doing it. It doesn't progress the story and beyond a quick pop and maybe some highlight reels, it doesn't make what they're doing memorable.
Jeff Hardy vs Undertaker in an 11 minute match on Raw 20 years ago is more memorable than anything I've seen Ospreay, Omega or the Bucks do because they told a compelling but simple story. In just 11 minutes Undertaker put Jeff over as a star and Jeff didn't even win. That's how wrestling should be.
Conrad is the heel with go away heat.
He's the Matthew and Nicholas Jackson of podcasting
I’d argue he’s the baby face with go away heat. He brings us all the shows. He does a lot of good but people are tired of him. Needs to go away and learn a new phrase.
Conrad needs to leave for like a month or two. Go on a diet. Come back with a shaved beard. And he will get a baby face welcome back. But as it is now. We are beyond tired of him .
He’s a predator child
I wonder when was the point he turned heel? I remember him as the face when he yelled at Bishop for screwing up the Starrcade 97 main event, because Sting wasn't tanned. That was pre Covid I think.
Weekly shows are for the stories, building them etc, PPVs are for the matches and to conclude the stories that were built up
And for the people who don't have access to PPV? They just get the build up and never the payoff.
It would be like watching all the MCU films up to Infinity War and Endgame with both of those movies being released in select theaters and a 30 minute show coming out the day after to explain what happened in those movies. Would you feel the same level of awe or "OMG! SO good!"? Probably not.
That's how I feel about it. Growing up (I haven't watched wrestling in years) when I watched wrestling, all the build-up meant nothing to me since i never got to see the payoff.
It all depends om the feud..Most matches lead to another match,, even another..😊
@nanya524 😂🤦♂️Then they buy the PPV. That's the point of the PPV, to get you to spend the money to see how the stories conclude. What is hard to understand about that? Through a business standpoint you want them to spend the money. And through a fan standpoint, you wanna see the storylines conclude on a grander stage. And comparing movies in theaters to professional wrestling which are live events, is foolish. If people wanna see the finish to a feud then they buy the PPV. Why show the finish on a random RAW or Smackdown? It loses that importance of "Must See".
At least that is how it used to be and how it should go back to being.
@@ShadowofLegacy and if you spend every weekly show "building a story" with no action, then what? Tune in for a three hour RAW to watch people talk?
From the moment he said "I prayed for that to happen" Drew has had a rocket strapped to him
Yup that was the oh wow moment that he just leveled up for me too. Always thought he’d have that shirt out over the stupid dm hunk shirt.
I say even before that. His promos with seth, sami , cody and I think jey was all good. But drew knows punk on a different level than all of them.
It really goes to show the difference between WWE and AEW right now when AEW has a near identical situation to Punk and McIntyre with Mone and Nightingale.
One show is hitting a homerun with it (WWE)
The other is struggling to stay afloat (AEW)
Sasha Banks can't cut a promo to save her life and its killing her and Nightingale's story.
And I betcha Sasha is regretting it more since she has joined there!!
@@triforceshaw85 Really depends on what she's getting paid.
@@triforceshaw85Mercedes is terrible in every aspect of this sport.
And the rock had to come in and save wwe . Imagine having to bring in someone from the attitude era to save the day
@@RagingUtai The Rock didn't save anything, for the simple reason that WWE didn't need saving in the first place.
And that is why MJF is AEW’s biggest star. Not the monkey flip synchronous acrobats
HAHAHAHAHA he's god awful too, probably even worse.
@@DaewoOoOoOoOohe’s great. He got stuck in a shitty comedy shtick which hurt his credibility a lot. I hope he comes back talking about that and seeking revenge. Then he can leave that dumpster fire of a company.
@Willowdog08 when he comes back he has to rebuild his credibility. And I just don't think that is going to be possible with the booking and the people he is going to have to work with.
@@Willowdog08 He's great? Dude has been trash since 2018. And leave AEW to go where? Because it's not going to be WWE.
@@DaewoOoOoOoOoI guess that's why AEW, New Japan and WWE wants him. And why he is one of the biggest stars in pro wrestling huh? 🤷♂️
AEW got no stories
wwe has barely any stories too
@@trololodex bloodline, judgement day, Sami and Chad, and many more
Tony clown needs to surrender the pencil to someone who can tell compelling stories. Tony is indeed a match maker...but he is not a booker.
@American_Nightmare yeah other than all that and more...he is totally right...😂😂
They almost kinda sorta had something for about two months with Sky Blue turning heel. Then after she finally turned and started teaming with Julia, she disappeared for a month. Now she's firmly back in the women's midcard.
Conrad isn't very minute man like, he marks for aew before I even mark it on his map
Goddamnit there's no escaping Preston
Fucking underrated comment
Bravo sir 😅
@@ianhigginbotham562 we the minutemen are ready at a minutes notice, also reminds me to tell you, another settlement needs your help, I'll mark it on your map!
He too has the right to make an argument. This is like a debate type of discussion
@@Mr.VAGlNA congrats. Another settlement needs your help, I'll mark it on your map
Without promos there can be no match
There can be a match, it’s just that no one other than Meltzer and his neckbeard followers will care
Tony khan : hold my 🍺
Without a match wrestling becomes a soap opera. You can have more promos than matches but to find the balance between matches and promos is the most important
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@@aaronglover5448 C O K E
A good promo makes you wanna see the match. A bad promo makes you wanna change the channel. 😂
All promos make me want to change the channel. I wanna see action.
@@nanya524 action with no setup or story makes no sense why would you care about these 2 people fighting if you had no idea who they are or why they're fighting
It's all important. As a fan, i want great matches AND great stories AND great characters/personalities AND great entrances/theme songs. I want to see it all in all these companies.
And I'd add great outfits to that list.
Finally someone said it 🙌🏾
Hey, Eric! Have you ever thought of going on a week-long Conrad fast? Several times a year, perhaps? 🤔
The reason why most of the territories failed is because they were trying to present a fantasy product as a legitimate-sport long after the curtain was pulled back to reveal that the Great Oz was just a quirky old man. Once people knew wrestling had predetermined outcomes and not a legit pro-sports competition, you needed to transition out of that mind-set and into the mindset of what you actually are.
A show.
You are competing with weekly TV shows. You are competing with daily soap-operas. You are competing with motion-pictures. You are competing even with cartoons and anime, and these days you are competing with shows on streaming networks.
Those avenues of entertainment are all driven by one thing.
A story.
Without that, you have nothing. If Disney had just released *_Avengers: Infinity War_* in 2008 as their first MCU movie, it still would have been cool to watch in and of itself because seeing so many characters in the MCU on screen at the same time under ANY circumstance is amazing, however, it would not have been as legendary as it was or carried any real emotional resonance because we wouldn't have had any emotional connection to the characters involved to where we would _care_ about what is happening. The reason why the Thanos "snap" carried so much weight, is because of the rapport we had build up over a decade with all the MCU characters involved.
This is why WWE is LEAGUES above AEW. Last year's Wrestlemania was basically *_Avengers: Infinity War._* This year's Wrestlemania was like *_Avengers: Endgame._*
You told a story for 4 years. You built up equity in all the players involved. They were so cold-blooded with it that whether it was surreptitiously or accidentally done, they even used AEW to carry the story-line and had the big pay-off in THEIR ring at THEIR biggest event.
I'm sure that someone in AEW has told Tony Khan these things, but he is a victim of his own ego.
No, the territories failed because Vince McMahon either bought them out & shut them down, or offered their star attractions more to exclusively work through him. That's literally why the territories are gone.
@@EvilChiId No, it's exactly what I said it was. The reason why Vince McMahon was able to buy those territories is because they didn't change with the times. If you aren't making money, you are losing money, and if you are losing money, you go out of business or get bought out.
Jim Crockett Promotions was bought out by Ted Turner and because he felt a loyalty to pro wrestling for helping him build the TBS network, and did want to see them perish or get gobbled up by McMahon. So, he committed to investing in it despite it hemorrhaging money every year and Turner execs pleading for him to get rid of it.
It wasn't until Eric Bischoff took over, changed WCW and modernized it that it started making a profit, and for 83 weeks it stomped the WWF nearly putting it out of business. That ONLY HAPPENED because Eric Bischoff understood what the core demographic was at the time and changed WCW to fit that dynamic (age 18-34.) That's where all of entertainment was during that time.
Meanwhile the WWF was stuck in the same business model from the 1980s and that was not what fans wanted anymore, so, that caused a massive drop in PPV buyrates, tickets sales, and merchandise sales.
JUST LIKE THE TERRITORIES IN THE 80s.
They were reduced to holding weekly house shows and weekend shows like Superstars and Wrestling Challenge in high school gyms. This is the same company that at it's peak legitimately put 93,173 people in the Pontiac Silverdome (yes, it is a legit number.)
When you don't change with the times, you get left behind. If Mid South, WCCW, AWA, Jim Crockett Promotions, Memphis, Stampede, etc. had all adapted the same strategy of changing with the times, Vince would never have been able to buy ANY of them out. They wouldn't have been AS successful as the WWF, but they would have been successful enough to survive just like indie feds flourish and succeed today.
Nice try. My point stands.
It's funny as hell sitting and listening to 83 Weeks, and realizing after 30 years that myself and Eric Bischoff share similar opinions of professional wrestling, even when it comes to his explanations of why things happened the way they did and things were done the way that they were in WCW. In the case of promos being more important than matches, you don't really need to look any further than many of the most successful names in professional wrestling history. Hulk Hogan, John Cena, Bill Goldberg and even Steve Austin and the Rock weren't exactly the level of a Dean Malenko or Chris Benoit between the ropes. By and large, your average, mainstream professional wrestling fan doesn't tune into a wrestling show and worry about the work rate of the two guys in the ring or how many high spots they can hit. It's great if your guys CAN perform at a high level in the ring, but it's not necessarily a prerequisite for being a main event top guy.
Promos are how you connect with the fans. Good matches are just a dopamine hit at the end of the day.
Conrad PLEASE…..
Don’t get up
Fresh and fit are clowns
@@JavierNYC423 clowns with money and statue
@@FitFreshMiamirather be a poor nobody than a rich piece of shit.
Back in the late 1990s, I too would complain about too many backstage segments & in ring promos. I would wonder why they did do more matches/longer matches. Now, every wrestling show is 90% matches and I understand why it used to be short matches & lots of promos & segments. Because it's boring as fuck just watching match after match with little to no reason why the people involved are wrestling.
That's because wrestling today sux. They don't perform like they used to. So many legends of the business are gone. Go look at hr iron matches between kurt angle/brock lesnar, chris benoit/angle. You don't need a back story for beautiful craft of wrestling.
@RagingUtai Yes you do dummy. There needs to be build up. There needs to be stakes. And especially if you are doing a weekly TV show, you don't just throw on a bunch of 30 minute + matches. Then at PPVs or big house shows, you do longer matches when the crowd already knows who the face and heel is and why they are feuding.
@@GLPitt1 obviously these days some story is expected, but to suggest it's more important than putting on a great match is laughable.
@@RagingUtaiyou suck eggs
When is Conrad leaving this podcast?
When his cholesterol rises and he has a heart attack
Never, cry more Bischoff simp.
@@Shadowjester1985 mark boy
Without promos and storyline, wrestling will be boring , you got to the promos right
Promos are what sell the tickets. Fuck Conrad, we want Bully Ray!!
Would you buy a ticket to a rock concert to hear the musicians talk the entire time?
@@Shadowjester1985a very stupid analogy friend, not even close to being similar. Wrestling is a movie being told with a match as the climax if no one is invested in the story then no cares
Conrad’s heavy ass sigh after Eric rips AEW will never get old 😂 5:00
The guy just took a breath before he started talking, what the fuck are you talking about?
Obviously. Aew marks can cry but you need a story for everything. I would rather watch a blood fued than a 5 star match. People are driven by stories
@@user-ct8tc2dd9vJim Cornette is also in favor of storylines and he is the ultimate fanboy of wrestling. In the territory days storylines were essential. You aren't a fan of wrestling. You are a fan of either garbage death matches or flippy spot fests or both. But you certainly are not a fan of wrestling.
@@user-ct8tc2dd9v thanks for proving the point that AEW only caters to the lowest common denominator.
Exactly! I’m a WWE guy I don’t care about “ 5 star matches” I don’t care about flips and twists I care about storylines and characters. Id rather have great storylines and characters than a wrestling heavy show. Thats why I prefer WWE. And I know I’m not the only one I’m not the only person that was watching Bloodline for three years and enjoying every second of it. I love the Punk-Drew story. Give me a Roman Reigns style match and storyline over indie nonsense any day of the week
Same here, the Roman vs Cody match was just one bite of the cake. The buildup between them and everything before that was all great.
No one wants a Roman Reigns shitty match, stop lying to yourself.
Promos are boring.
@@nanya524 nah hour long spot fest jerkoff matches are boring good promos are anything but.
A fan can describe everything that happens in a story to you compared to what happened in a 20-minute match. But nowadays, champions aren't even allowed to cut promos without getting interrupted.
Couldn't care less about the fake fighting exhibition in the ring. For me, it was always about the stories, the personal rivalries.
I am so unique vibe lol
I'm a story guy too but to say you couldn't care less about matches that is just silly. The matches are the payoff n a good story makes the match interesting. What do you do watch the storylines and skip the matches? I don't think you actually like wrestling you just like drama. Maybe switch to soap operas they have stories without those pesky matches you seem to hate😂
Fake? Pro wrestling is scripted with planned finishes. But these are REAL athletes that do indeed get hurt in these " fake fights"
@MinuteManClips yeah I don't get it either. I think bruh stopped watching in the attitude era.
So you don't watch any matches just promos? How boring and untruthful you are
Dusty Rhodes proves this. Hulk Hogan Co signed it and The Rock brings it home. All were soso wrestlers but all 3 were good on the stick and at putting asses in seats....
Damn I just agreed with Eric Bischoff.
The talking matters to people because eventually it leads to a match.... the matches matter because they resolve the issue being talked about... The idea that one is "more important" than the other is a meaningless conversation.... they both go hand in hand. Ideally you want a talent like Will Osprey in a position to tell a story that makes people care about a match so when he decides to bust out his spectacular athleticism it means something and leaves an impact.... but the reason it leaves an impact is because weeks and week, if not months and years built to that one moment in that one match..... and a whole show has to be structured around protecting that moment..... its EVERYTHING at the same time.
It just donned on me, Eric should come in with Shad Kahn to gain control of AEW. Eric is a very good TV personality. Either way they need something others than the Bucks and Jungle Boy.
Shad khan said that orange cassidy is his favorite as well. So that right there tells you that he may not be the right guy for the job.
@@mrnicemam8523 Do they not get a lot of this terrible shit like Cassidy is why many of us don't watch? Apparently they don't have the brains to put anything together other than the not menacing Bucks and friends.
The Punk and Drew feud is the only thing Post-WM that has any interest. The injury and rest list and Cody's bland Post-WM title show is just awful.
I'm barely invested in the Punk and Drew drama because there is no heat. It's just 2 dudes engaging in a war of words and memes. It's getting old with me real quick. And while we're on the topic, why is Punk calling Drew a coward and a fake tough guy when _he's_ the one doing his best to avoid Drew?
Look at the story we got with Punk vs MJF! Look at the story we got with FTR vs Dem boyz The Briscoes. Mindless matches never age well
Ftr and briscoe story was underrated because no one in Aew wanted to feud with them beside ftr
Starrcade 97...
18 months of incredible build completely destroyed by the payoff match.
Even during the attitude era, when I went to school on Tuesday to talk to my friends about Raw or Nitro, everyone talked about the storylines. The skits, the promos. Not a single time do I remember someone talking about the actual matches, outside of who won.
Punk and Drew's current program works because it shows even injured you can keep yourself relevant and entertaining. The modern era for longer than I can remember it's like someone gets injured and they're instantly offscreen for understandable physical rehab but all that does is hurt the guys on the shelf, keep them active if possible for TVs they can still do commentary, manage, do promos, a million things once a week that don't require a bump.
I kind of hate how much I find myself agreeing with Bischoff these days. I was definitely a WCW guy when he first took control of the creative but found him pretty insufferable towards the latter parts of his run, but no denying, dude gets it. I've always wanted there to be a legit competitor to WWE -- those Monday Night Wars days were some of the most fun in the industry -- but AEW isn't it. They would really do well to start listening to him, and so many of the others saying the same stuff.
I want there to be a wrestling observer, that rewards a star rating to stories and matches on an overall scale. The bloodline has a 4.6 story, and it isn't over yet. The matches are all around 3.5 stars imo, but with the story behind it, becomes 4.0 instantly. Roman gave some great entertainment in his matches, and great performances on the mic. The character work is what is ment to interest an audience in a feud which leads to a match.
They are close but the build up to the match is more important and can literally make the match better than it is.
Look at the top stars ever ! Hogan Austin Rock Flair Piper Rhodes etc all cut great promos!
That’s funny because most people watched WCW for the match quality among the mid card and cruiserweights. A couple months after Bash At The Beach 96 those NWO promos became hot garbage and the worst were the Piper/Flair promos with Keven Greene.
With no matches there is no need for promos
im a simple man. I see conrad, I click away
Snowflake.
Jake The Snake Roberts said it best. Wrestling is like sex.
Start out slow, flirting, teasing, touching, little foreplay, then you pull back, slow down, build, give em something, pull back, slow, build, faster, faster, faster and climax.
Promos/character building/story/hype/star power are the foundation, then you deliver a satisfying payoff with a great match full of drama and emotion which leaves the audience wanting more. Totally agree with Eric.
What a garbage take. Promos are important, but at the end of the day, it's wrestling. If you look at most wrestling acronyms, there's a "W" there. It doesn't stand for "guy talking shit on a mic." It stands for "WRESTLING."
It's always educational, entertaining and enlightening listening to Mr Bishoff talk about the business of pro wrestling.
AEWs highest peak and rivalry was Punk vs MJF feud. And neither of those guys wrestling style caters to the AEW audience. Tells you everything about how much story matters. Go figure
If any wrestling promotion could create a new star, from either the AEW Nightmare Factory, the WWE P.C., NXT, Shimmer, Japan (NJPW, Stardom, DDT Pro), Canada, Puerto Rico or from Mexico (AAA, CMLL) that doesn't need a title belt, via promo skills and matches, then it would be nice.
He’s not right and he’s not wrong. Promos are massively important, but they’re pointless without a match. Matches are just matches without story. Theres a common misconception in construction that the preparation is more important than the final touches. This is wrong. You can do the best prep work ever but if you nail off badly or paint poorly it’s a bad job. At the same time you can have the neatest carpentry and the best painter. But if you marked it out wrong and sanded poorly. The finish is garbage. Preparation and finish are equal. Promo and match are equal. The whole things a disaster if one of them is bad.
If you work the story, then blow it off in a big finish to a big match, you get Star Wars. If you skip story beats and go straight to the fights and action, you get Fast & Furious. You can make big money either way, but one of them lives forever and the other is cool, but much more disposable.
Going back to the carnival days, if there was no hype or promotion, ppl weren’t interested. Especially with no social media marketing.
Yes yes yes yes yes Promos are what counts the most
The only person I know who had produced high level wrestling and complains about match times compared to talking is Jim Cornett. I'll say this as a fan I would rather see the matches than the entrances like they will do 5 minutes of entrances then cut to commercial 1 min into the match. With bigger stars you definitely want the pop on camera but we dont need every single entrance every single week.
I love Eric’s takes. It’s logical, backed with experience and carefully voiced to ensure understanding. Keep up the great work!
Promos and matches are both important, leaning all the way into one or the other is where failure generally occurs. Promos are important sure, but how many promos got done at Backlash?? Old WWE literally no one could do a promo except Freddie Blassie and Greg Valentine, so there's really no history to support that one is more important than the other... everyone in WCW 97-2001 could cut a promo, but no one gave shit, because the booking and matches were awful
I've been saying this about AEW for a while. Basically, since the MJF/Cole stuff fell apart. I don't watch AEW because there's no real stories to follow.
Nowadays i'm 29 years old i'm a fan of wrestling since my early teenage years nowadays when I watch Wrestling i'm watching 9 Time Out of 10 a promo or a segment
This probably confirm that I am still normal lol
100% true. I have been a wrestling fan for 40 years or longer, never really cared about a specific match, watched it for the promos. Good promos made the matches interesting.
Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat at WM3 is widely considered one of the greatest and most memorable wrestling matches of all time, even to this day. Would it still have that status if there wasn’t a great storyline leading up to the match, along with great promo work by Savage as well as Steamboat?
AJ Styles vs Cody Rhode is one of the examples that didn't have a good build because it didn't have enough time before the backlash but the match was phenomenal. It now considered rank as one of the candidates of Moty of 2024 this years.
I can't remember a SINGLE promo from steamboat, and only "cuppa coffee" from macho comes to mind;
I DO remember they had a heck of a match, though.🤔
Here’s a hot take. Not every product has to be the same. The fact that he has this chip on his shoulder for AEW just makes me wanna watch it. I’m so tired of failed promoters and bookers talking shit about today’s product. If Eric knows so much, then why was ever run of his except 82 or whatever weeks has been the drizzling shits
Eric and conrad do the best wrestling podcast just amazing inside scoop 😊
They are both equally important - pro wrasllin is promo and matches make the story both components
Wrestling is like very much like a good Jackie Chan/Donnie Yen/Jet Li kung fu movie where you can have fights that are so spectacular you can re-watch and enjoy them without re-watching the movies themselves but you rob yourself who/why/when of the movie and character if you don't watch the movie and just rate how good the fight moves were.
No matter how their match turns out Drew McIntyre vs CM Punk is going to be either the best or second best feud in 2024. That's the power of the promo.
Conrad took the all you can eat Piesanos challenge
The Avengers, specifically Endgame, would not be as successful with just fight scenes between random characters. Its the backstories, character development, reason and rationale that make those movies an experience. Even the need for all the stories and movies preceeding the final fight scene that make that battle so impactful. Otherwise it all means nothing. This is why AEW is no longer interesting. No stories, no long term buy in, just random matches or 1 week "stories" and no reason to buy in.
Imagine Endgame being released in select theaters for a limited time, meaning most people couldn't see it. There was a 30 minute show that came out the day after to talk about everything that was shown in the movie. Would you feel as invested in the payoff then?
No?
That's how PPV matches are for me. I have no interest in them since I can't watch them.
I have a friend who's a Chef, and I think he puts it in a way that the Promo's and Storylines are like a Steak, and the Matches are like your Seasoning.
So you can have a pretty good Steak if you cook it right, without the Seasoning, but the Seasoning is just the final thing that makes your Steak taste a little better, but without it, it's still a good Steak.
AEW are giving you ALL of the Seasoning, with a cheap $1 Steak. WWE are giving you a good Steak but sometimes they are under Seasoning the Steak, and for 99% of people, that's what they would prefer if they had the choice of an over-Seasoned $1 Steak and an under-Seasoned Prime Steak,
I barely watch the matches. Big payoff matches sure but I love the stories. Only wrasslin fans(8-14%) care about the matches or they would watch MMA primarily.
I was wondering why wrestling seemed so crap over the last 20 years;
turns out people actually think promos are more important to wrestling than wrestling itself.
We literally just got probably the best Eric figure ever like this month it came with a wwe ring if the guy asking was a collector then he's gotta do some homework
Can’t have one without the other. No reason to go too far in either direction.
We all waited two years for one story to be finished, like what is the argument
yep, I don't even watch the wrestling. I actually watch WWE while playing games and only stop to watch when they're doing promos and interviews.
Bischof goin hard for that WWE legends contract
He’s absolutely right and gimmicks. Without the two wrestling is just fake mma. Time to bring some characters out instead of generic guy A versus generic guy B.
It’s so funny cause guys like Conman and Dave will scream match match forever yet still don’t understand promo story is what gets ppl in. Anyone can have a PWG spot feast mark match try building a story
So according to wrestletalk wwe figures since the hyped up wrestlemania are genuinely on the slide😮
Worst thing they could do with Okada, is lump him in with the Bucks (the most overrated tag team in wrestling history, that is still not as over as CM Punk).
Punk gettin hurt was honestly good I didn’t think his shape was the best at the RR but he looks like the best shape of his life now
He look fine till he got hurt in the rumble but he been working out none stop since being hurt so u right
I agree but also disagree because as much as I enjoy the promos being great Raw for example barley has any good matches anymore because promos and all the talking have become more important or entertaining so to me its killing them focusing on good weekly matches and we get too much filler stuff these days with backstage angles and interviews
During the Monday night war the matches are when I would switch to the other channel. I was all about the characters and stories
Can we voice over Roncad with Morgan Freeman at least? Or Chris Hemsworth? Gollum? I could get through these with Eric easier🤷🏾♂️
Both are important. It sucks when the hype is better than the match. If the talk is better than the wrestling, I usually get uninterested over time because that performer can’t deliver. It’s like WCW, the sting vs hogan match sucks, but the hype was awesome!
You need both, story is the build up, the match is the payoff.
What AEW has never understood is that the Dorkmaster Dave star ratings system is pointless to most wrestling fans. Meltzer’s system is based on made up criteria in his own mind that makes zero sense in the real world. AEW has also never understood the importance of characters and in ring promos that balance out the in ring physicality with matches. Matches should be the execution of what has already been said by characters in their promos to get people interested in the stakes of the matches. Matches are pointless without a reason/story to make those matches mean something. Tony Khan is not a true old school “booker” because a booker would have the talents talk fans into the building via storylines and promos. Tony is a match maker who caters to the smallest portion of his audience aka the Meltzer readers. That’s perhaps the dumbest percentage of a pro wrestling audience because they obviously don’t get or understand the history of real pro wrestling. Pro wrestling is and has always been a story of good versus evil only substituting the specific characters for both sides depending on the talents involved in the story. I’ve legit watched certain matches like Hogan versus Piper on WCW that had pretty lousy in ring matches but the story told with promos and the characters were so good that the match was really just secondary. Matches are important especially if stakes like world championships are on the line but again, you need a story to invest and believe.
I’m worried about MJF. I hope his career hasn’t been ruined. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
I dont even care about real life mma fights that are "bangers" or bloody wars unless I know the fighters involved, and that they are relevant contenders who could win the title one day.
A scripted match in pro wrestling, which, while cool, has been using the exact same formula for its matches for like 50+ years, is even less interesting.
Also Dave Meltzer: HHH has no plans for Cody Rhodes.
like another poster said ..there has to be an intricate balance struck.
the promos are what suck ppl into parting with their hard-earned... & the matches, if excellent, are the payoff to the feud....remember, issues draw $$$
Biggest draws in wrestling history - Hogan, Austin, Rock.
All because if their promos/angles/look/entrance - never csred about their 'work rate'
With statements like promos are more important than wrestling, it’s no wonder WCW bit the bullet. The fact is, Eric, you don’t know better than the fans. Get your ego in check.
By listening to this it seems that you want to sign letter 6 months contract then done and dusted and then I have to do business with whoever you want some weird stipulations on this contracts it's a very good way of going about business I'll tell you that much get another teachable moment from Eric bischoff
It’s called having a story beat and kicking it into full gear for the big match blow off- tell are this as they chuck random matches on ppv cards with no meaning or story - that’s dumb as no one cares and it would be a toilet break
The biggest turnoff of Bischoff is how he turns into a complete insulting douchebag when anyone disagrees with him. Dude destroyed WCW and was part of TNA's worst era.
Bischif blowing Punk to no end now that hes back in WWE
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Erics been right about 90% of the time regarding aew.
Go figute.
Its as if hes done this before.
Idk Eric. A great match can say way more than a promo.
Problem with promos now is that most of them suck, and dudes cut promos like they are on twitter. I saw one McIntyre did this year and it was a cringe fest. Then you got a guy like LA Knight who can cut a promo but doesn't get the big wins to back it up.
Mcintyre is doing some of the best work ever. Idk why you saying that.
There’s no cherry’s on top of pie. 😂
Promos = powerlevel
He ain’t wrong