The dedication to completing the rpg library and non formulaic scripts full of sarcasm yet still thoughtful, honest with a bit self-deprecating humor. This channel sir is the true hidden gem. Good luck
Grinding can be fun to me if: Variety; mix of mobs, scenery, and music, all gotta be interesting Mechanics; more than press A on repeat. Personally, the more complex the mechanics, the better for me. Gotta be invested in the story, too, differentiate it from other grindfests through plot and character. Those three on point, sign me up for the grind 👌
Me too! I play it once a year. I bought a reproduction cartridge that has the Japanese difficulty with an update script. SOOOO GOOD! If you play it at the fastest speed, it's actually quite rough sometimes. The only fight I had to turn the speed down was the Demon Wall. I am not sure you can beat it on max speed lol.
@@chriskoschik391 lol you'd have to get real lucky casting a reflect on just the right person before the Demon Door gets them. I always have everyone killed off besides Rosa, have combat speed low, and use those doors to power level her instantly.
still my favourite game of all time. This guy lost any chance he had of me subscribing by starting off by saying it's not one of the greatest of all time because it absolutely is
@StewNWT curious, but how weak is your convictions towards FFIV if *one* small critique and the person saying the don't share the same opinion of it is you do, is apparently weak enough to bother you to the point where you won't sub and post a comment about it to all the other fanboys letting them know you don't approve of the channel? Curious as to whay that's like, because one of my favorite game has been repeatedly shatupon by multiple content creators I watch, yet my opinion of the game is so strong that I can listen to them and accept how they feel about it; knowing not every video game will appeal to every single person on the same level and people are allowed to hold opinions I don't personal share? Genuine question, not even trying to be a dick even though it may seem like I am. I just don't understand your mindset at all.
There is a very particular way to level up in The 7th Saga. You go back and fourth between Bonro and Zellis and keep having duels with the other apprentices. You keep at least 2 of them as your friends to either sell or take their equipment upgrades. This strategy works for everyone except the Dwarf, since you can't replace his axe. Do this until about level 30, and no higher then level 40. Save, and then immediately head to patrof to see which one you have to fight.
You said to shout out if I made maps of Shining in the Darkness and the first Phantast Star to beat them... so I'm shouting! It love Arcana, too! This is why my favorite series on DS is Etrian Odyssey, probably.
This was awesome. I finally tried 7th saga cause of this video and it's pretty good. I personally like level grinding. Who plays RPGs and doesn't like battling.
I did beat The Seventh Saga back in the day (early 2000s) and as far as I know I was the only one to do it in my entire neighborhood. Everyone else got cold feet after a few hours. Now I have a Super Famicom with, amongst other RPGs, the Elnard (the original japanese name of The Seventh Saga) in Japanese language and I intend to complete it as well
Getting the only sword that's bigger requires you to kill the dragon in the volcano, turn back around and grab a gem and carry it through 1/2 the game and it's a random shrine in a floating sky castle. Best sword because of length, screw it's stats.
Hahaha I just finished the arcana part, and that sounds like a pain in the ass game . idk how you’re not more known. Maybe it’s the haircut lol, keep it up man
People seemingly watch whole seasons of AVGN as a soothing nighttime playlist. In a separate-but-equal move I have played this video a few dozen times at night. Many thanks!
Oh, one minor correction to 7th Saga's Plot. The Lemele who trains you and gives you the quest is the Demon Lord, Gorsia who was defeated by the goddess Saro 5000 yrs ago. Gorsia traveled to the present and killed the the real Lemele, taking his place to give you the quest. The runes themselves are Gorsia's power, sealed into 7 separate parts and by gathering them.. you bring him back to full power.
Bump this!! I love the grind. FF1 did it the best back in the day. Grind until you can afford to buy all the new stuff in the new location, and you're good to go.
I beat Shining in the Darkness. A million years ago when Genesis was the thing. And again, recently on the Genesis II mini. Great game. Very easy when you can pull up maps online.
Final Fantasy Legend III - the worl;d is gigantic in this GameBoy's classic top RPG! Love to have gotten the strategy guide from japan, it is massive!! So much for a retro GB system game, pre-color. SAGA 3 is the origin of it (the people from Saga Frontier / Live A Live)
As a kid, I enjoyed how unique the 7th Saga was compared to most jrpgs in the snes library. As an adult, it was like climbing Mount Everest - it was steep climbing, combining its difficulty with the fact all other apprentices leveled up with you, but making it to the final battle and beating it was a worthwhile experience to me.
(opening comment) I have not only beaten 7th Saga, I have also beaten it in Japanese on real hardware! Both versions, multiple times! :D Nostalgia, is a powerful drug.
Talking about level grinding, I'm playing ff2, I've got level 14 toad, warp, and teleport. Level 16 shields, and level 9 swords, and various other levels before scotts ring. Meaning i have only grinded this game, i haven't done a single story thing. Am i having fun. Yes. So when i finish breaking every ff game, guess it's off to 7th
its weird ive always thought as the manual as part of the game, I've never questioned it. I guess that shows my age. Gamefaqs has to do most of the job the manual does immediatley
Jason: "I beat The 7th Saga." Nice. That's a moderately hard game that penalizes grinding. Jason: "When anyone claims this to be the hardest anything, what they really mean is it's the game with the most level grinding." Wait, what? Due to rival heroes scaling based on JP growth rates, grinding too much makes the game harder to the point that some fights become impossible. One fight in particular (idr whom vs whom) would even become impossible if you got to 1 level below the original intended level, forcing players on that route to thread the level needle. Grind is the opposite of the problem, here. Also, exp grind isn't difficulty, it's a tool to alleviate difficulty that can usually be avoided outside of a handful of hardline stat checks (e.g. DQ1's final boss) that, for the most part, stopped being implemented in games early in the SNES lifespan. Jason: "Unless you're a master of RNG manipulation, every game with experience points--dating back to Dragon Warrior--is subject to the grind." And there it is! The IGN line! Gotta love that gaming journalist mentality and gross misrepresentation of RPGs.
(closing comment) Bump combat sucks. I'm glad you enjoy it! I enjoy crappy things too, like Phantasy Star III; but no no, do not bring back bump combat. It was horrible.
I was 12 when 7th Saga was released, and picked it up as soon as I could. I only managed to beat it with the Alien character... and it's odd I was able to beat this game since I couldn't figure out shit in Phantasy Star 2 in comparison
You could have cured cancer. But instead you wasted valuable brain cells memorizing maps to a pointless game. A game I really like by the way. Cancer be damned!!
Hey Jason, can you put together a Playlist of the grind videos? I guess I could just do the actual Playlist but I like the grind videos at work a bit better
Would choose grinding over text and even most retro cut scenes that go on too long. I hate mashing thru text!!! How do u all like reading for 50% of the game??
I'd like to imagine that if you buy that prohibitively expensive item in Lagoon, it does a screenwipe and transforms into a much better game. Maybe Lagoon was just a front and the real game doesn't start until you buy the shiny ball.
I am posting this early in the video, but without the patch I find this game too grindy. The other issue, worst then the grinding, is that the companion/rival get the normal boost and make them almost impossible. Also if you don't get proper stat you just need to reset the game and redo the level up.
@@JasonGravesPoser I am so sorry if I missed it!! I had you playing as I was playing Unicorn Overlord (think Ogre Battle, without all the rep/karma/alignment BS)
I LOVE grinding. Fun grinding. 1 character grinding? I will play Diablo or Hades. Final Fantasy 1, Final Fantasy 2! Always!!! 7th Saga? Never !!!!! I even enjoyed and finished Tecmo Secret of the Stars (more than 15 characters!) ... but can't stand 7th Saga too long, 1 hero (yeah use another character, who betrays you anyway). Tried 5 times from year of release to this day. I did Breath of Fire 1 & 2 about 5 times each... never got through 7th saga.
Games you list that R NOT better than Final Fantasy IV: Harvest Moon, Wild Arms, Paper Mario, Pokemon Blue, BoF 3, Phantasy Star, Nocturne Those are Games I agree you COULD have listed above : Suikoden 1 & 2, Symphony of the Night, Diablo, Lufia 2, Breath of Fire 2.
I don't know how many time a reset and restarted the game before lvling to get the best stats when lvling to advance XD But yeah, I managed to finish this piece of good game it is. Valsu/Esuna here. Enjoy be masochist playing this fcking game ( original version, not the fixed one )
I found it above avg, but no itch to complete it a second time. Solidly enojoyable, not a strong recommend for anyone else to play. Not much grinding relative to other games I've completed like Phantasy Star 1 and Dragon Warrior 1.
Hardest rpg, eh? I beat it. Not points of frustration. No barriers to progress. I just beat and have nothing but the best memories of this game. ... Probably a skill issue. All I'm going to say.
OMG OMG OMG IT’S AN SNES RPG! Breath of Fire, Final Fantasy! It’s everything I want to be! The greatest, the safest. So cute, I want to die! It’s Japanese apple pie. Why would I lie? Head so huge, hair so pink. Don’t tell me it’s rinky dink. >:( Dragon’s and warriors battle it out. A moral conundrum, the story has clout. I’m levelling up, I waggle my spear. Time’s running out to play Odin’s Sphere. Your sweet melodies calm my furious heart. I stock up on healing and go back to the start. A hidden gem that’ve yet to complete. Ya’ll know in fairy land, I’m considered elite.
I've never finished it. The fights against the other dudes are just fucking broken. I'm pretty sure those guys mirror your level too, making grinding useless against them, right?
Sorry but you're off your nut to say 'FFIV isn't one of the greatest games every made'. It absolutely is. Without it there would be NO modern JPRG. It's soundtrack is timeless. It's still my favourite game of all time. It is absolutely one of the greatest games of all time. Boo to you
While certainly influential there certainly would have been made more jrpgs. Without wizardry there probably would not have been jrpgs as we know them, do you consider the wizardry games to be even better? I am guessing not.
I've played FFIV about 5 times now across different versions, and... yeah, it's good. But it isn't GREAT. The story and characters are pretty lacking, obviously compared to later RPGs, and the linear character growth is much less engaging than FFV's job system. It doesn't really stand out to me beyond being a good JRPG template for future games to improve upon.
The dedication to completing the rpg library and non formulaic scripts full of sarcasm yet still thoughtful, honest with a bit self-deprecating humor. This channel sir is the true hidden gem. Good luck
This grind sesh playlist gets me through long boring days at work.
Whoa, consider yourself shouted out since I made handmade maps for Shining in the Darkness and BEAT IT!! I actually just beat it a year ago too! ;)
Grinding can be fun to me if:
Variety; mix of mobs, scenery, and music, all gotta be interesting
Mechanics; more than press A on repeat. Personally, the more complex the mechanics, the better for me.
Gotta be invested in the story, too, differentiate it from other grindfests through plot and character.
Those three on point, sign me up for the grind 👌
This is the best video game related video on UA-cam. I hope you review every SNES and SFC rpg. A noble quest
FF4 definitely changed my life. I'm 38 now and still play it every year and rock the sound track when I need a pick me up
Me too! I play it once a year. I bought a reproduction cartridge that has the Japanese difficulty with an update script. SOOOO GOOD!
If you play it at the fastest speed, it's actually quite rough sometimes. The only fight I had to turn the speed down was the Demon Wall. I am not sure you can beat it on max speed lol.
@@chriskoschik391 lol you'd have to get real lucky casting a reflect on just the right person before the Demon Door gets them. I always have everyone killed off besides Rosa, have combat speed low, and use those doors to power level her instantly.
still my favourite game of all time. This guy lost any chance he had of me subscribing by starting off by saying it's not one of the greatest of all time because it absolutely is
@StewNWT curious, but how weak is your convictions towards FFIV if *one* small critique and the person saying the don't share the same opinion of it is you do, is apparently weak enough to bother you to the point where you won't sub and post a comment about it to all the other fanboys letting them know you don't approve of the channel?
Curious as to whay that's like, because one of my favorite game has been repeatedly shatupon by multiple content creators I watch, yet my opinion of the game is so strong that I can listen to them and accept how they feel about it; knowing not every video game will appeal to every single person on the same level and people are allowed to hold opinions I don't personal share?
Genuine question, not even trying to be a dick even though it may seem like I am. I just don't understand your mindset at all.
There is a very particular way to level up in The 7th Saga. You go back and fourth between Bonro and Zellis and keep having duels with the other apprentices. You keep at least 2 of them as your friends to either sell or take their equipment upgrades. This strategy works for everyone except the Dwarf, since you can't replace his axe. Do this until about level 30, and no higher then level 40. Save, and then immediately head to patrof to see which one you have to fight.
Loving that slap base guitar music in Drakkhen. Awesome compilation of reviews!
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen and I really enjoyed it and subbed.
I loved 7th Saga. I remember beating it. Can't remember if it was the knight or the robot.
I spit out my coffee when I saw that you named one of your ships in Uncharted Waters "SS ASS" LOL!
You said to shout out if I made maps of Shining in the Darkness and the first Phantast Star to beat them... so I'm shouting! It love Arcana, too!
This is why my favorite series on DS is Etrian Odyssey, probably.
This was awesome. I finally tried 7th saga cause of this video and it's pretty good. I personally like level grinding. Who plays RPGs and doesn't like battling.
I did beat The Seventh Saga back in the day (early 2000s) and as far as I know I was the only one to do it in my entire neighborhood. Everyone else got cold feet after a few hours. Now I have a Super Famicom with, amongst other RPGs, the Elnard (the original japanese name of The Seventh Saga) in Japanese language and I intend to complete it as well
Getting the only sword that's bigger requires you to kill the dragon in the volcano, turn back around and grab a gem and carry it through 1/2 the game and it's a random shrine in a floating sky castle. Best sword because of length, screw it's stats.
Hahaha I just finished the arcana part, and that sounds like a pain in the ass game . idk how you’re not more known. Maybe it’s the haircut lol, keep it up man
Ahahahaha that's a good one. Yeah must be the haircut 😆
People seemingly watch whole seasons of AVGN as a soothing nighttime playlist.
In a separate-but-equal move I have played this video a few dozen times at night.
Many thanks!
Guess I won't take it down then
I didn't know you were thinking of doing that.
Oh, one minor correction to 7th Saga's Plot.
The Lemele who trains you and gives you the quest is the Demon Lord, Gorsia who was defeated by the goddess Saro 5000 yrs ago. Gorsia traveled to the present and killed the the real Lemele, taking his place to give you the quest. The runes themselves are Gorsia's power, sealed into 7 separate parts and by gathering them.. you bring him back to full power.
Bump this!! I love the grind. FF1 did it the best back in the day. Grind until you can afford to buy all the new stuff in the new location, and you're good to go.
I beat Shining in the Darkness. A million years ago when Genesis was the thing. And again, recently on the Genesis II mini. Great game. Very easy when you can pull up maps online.
Final Fantasy Legend III - the worl;d is gigantic in this GameBoy's classic top RPG!
Love to have gotten the strategy guide from japan, it is massive!! So much for a retro GB system game, pre-color.
SAGA 3 is the origin of it (the people from Saga Frontier / Live A Live)
Great video thank you!
Shreiking at you. I've done it all. I also forced other humans to grind for me.
As a kid, I enjoyed how unique the 7th Saga was compared to most jrpgs in the snes library. As an adult, it was like climbing Mount Everest - it was steep climbing, combining its difficulty with the fact all other apprentices leveled up with you, but making it to the final battle and beating it was a worthwhile experience to me.
It was a great game at the time due to the fact there wasn't too many rpgs, but it's way below average.
Nice one
NFL Primetime music always works
NGL I had more trouble with Paladin's Quest than I did with 7th Saga.
AND NOW I'VE GOT 3 HOURS OF CONTENT TO LISTEN TO WHILE PLAYING HEARTHSTONE. :D
(opening comment) I have not only beaten 7th Saga, I have also beaten it in Japanese on real hardware! Both versions, multiple times! :D Nostalgia, is a powerful drug.
Killer freaking soundtrack. Still remember playing this game as an absolute mad lad lil kid in the early 90s.
lol didn't realize i was in the long video, thought it was the Drakken vid.
Yes I too defeated Dark Soul, isn't it cool that Shining in the Darkness is the prequel to The shining Force series.
Talking about level grinding, I'm playing ff2, I've got level 14 toad, warp, and teleport. Level 16 shields, and level 9 swords, and various other levels before scotts ring. Meaning i have only grinded this game, i haven't done a single story thing. Am i having fun. Yes. So when i finish breaking every ff game, guess it's off to 7th
The grinding IS fun. It becomes tedious with time but it was never unfun to me. Its purposeful and it made success more meaningful.
its weird ive always thought as the manual as part of the game, I've never questioned it. I guess that shows my age. Gamefaqs has to do most of the job the manual does immediatley
Loved this game when i was little. Still have my copy
Jason: "I beat The 7th Saga."
Nice. That's a moderately hard game that penalizes grinding.
Jason: "When anyone claims this to be the hardest anything, what they really mean is it's the game with the most level grinding."
Wait, what? Due to rival heroes scaling based on JP growth rates, grinding too much makes the game harder to the point that some fights become impossible. One fight in particular (idr whom vs whom) would even become impossible if you got to 1 level below the original intended level, forcing players on that route to thread the level needle. Grind is the opposite of the problem, here.
Also, exp grind isn't difficulty, it's a tool to alleviate difficulty that can usually be avoided outside of a handful of hardline stat checks (e.g. DQ1's final boss) that, for the most part, stopped being implemented in games early in the SNES lifespan.
Jason: "Unless you're a master of RNG manipulation, every game with experience points--dating back to Dragon Warrior--is subject to the grind."
And there it is! The IGN line! Gotta love that gaming journalist mentality and gross misrepresentation of RPGs.
You must have so much intercourse
Such power here
to help : say it in french : YS, = the sound of EAS, as in "EASY"
"Wanderer from "EAS""
Have you ever played the Secret of Evermore? I really enjoyed it. Thanks for making these compilation videos, I like watching then as I'm drawing.
(closing comment) Bump combat sucks. I'm glad you enjoy it! I enjoy crappy things too, like Phantasy Star III; but no no, do not bring back bump combat. It was horrible.
I was 12 when 7th Saga was released, and picked it up as soon as I could.
I only managed to beat it with the Alien character... and it's odd I was able to beat this game since I couldn't figure out shit in Phantasy Star 2 in comparison
Drawing Maps of Shining in the Darkness? I have all maps in my head since the early 90s...
You could have cured cancer. But instead you wasted valuable brain cells memorizing maps to a pointless game. A game I really like by the way. Cancer be damned!!
@@gunsrtheanswer I know... why is there no valuable real world application for the knowledge of "How you get the Demon Staff"
Hey Jason, can you put together a Playlist of the grind videos? I guess I could just do the actual Playlist but I like the grind videos at work a bit better
Sure. I could probably make a third one too
Would choose grinding over text and even most retro cut scenes that go on too long. I hate mashing thru text!!! How do u all like reading for 50% of the game??
sometimes H words are treated as a vowel and thus the "an", due to the A sound. also Y is sometimes also considered a vowel
Yeah I’m wrong
@@JasonGravesPoser you didnt know. and at that, this is only regional, of course...in UK they would use "an", where US would likely not.
Final Fantasy IV not one of the best?
My man, you were not around when it came out were you?
I'd like to imagine that if you buy that prohibitively expensive item in Lagoon, it does a screenwipe and transforms into a much better game. Maybe Lagoon was just a front and the real game doesn't start until you buy the shiny ball.
I think it makes your health regen faster
Your partner is ditched in the past in the 7th saga.
Phantasy Star 1 beaten with hand made maps.
hand. uh huh huh huh
Every game shown shares #1 or #2 on best all time game ranking
I am posting this early in the video, but without the patch I find this game too grindy. The other issue, worst then the grinding, is that the companion/rival get the normal boost and make them almost impossible. Also if you don't get proper stat you just need to reset the game and redo the level up.
Forgive all the comments. The Y's series is pronounced "Ease" or "Eez," not WISE/YS.
(I apologize if that came off rude, just trying to help.)
I think the running joke in that video is I say it worse as the video goes on
@@JasonGravesPoser I am so sorry if I missed it!!
I had you playing as I was playing Unicorn Overlord (think Ogre Battle, without all the rep/karma/alignment BS)
I LOVE grinding. Fun grinding. 1 character grinding? I will play Diablo or Hades. Final Fantasy 1, Final Fantasy 2! Always!!! 7th Saga? Never !!!!! I even enjoyed and finished Tecmo Secret of the Stars (more than 15 characters!) ... but can't stand 7th Saga too long, 1 hero (yeah use another character, who betrays you anyway). Tried 5 times from year of release to this day. I did Breath of Fire 1 & 2 about 5 times each... never got through 7th saga.
Games you list that R NOT better than Final Fantasy IV: Harvest Moon, Wild Arms, Paper Mario, Pokemon Blue, BoF 3, Phantasy Star, Nocturne
Those are Games I agree you COULD have listed above : Suikoden 1 & 2, Symphony of the Night, Diablo, Lufia 2, Breath of Fire 2.
I don't know how many time a reset and restarted the game before lvling to get the best stats when lvling to advance XD But yeah, I managed to finish this piece of good game it is. Valsu/Esuna here. Enjoy be masochist playing this fcking game ( original version, not the fixed one )
"An historic" is correct English.
An historic is correct
I found it above avg, but no itch to complete it a second time. Solidly enojoyable, not a strong recommend for anyone else to play. Not much grinding relative to other games I've completed like Phantasy Star 1 and Dragon Warrior 1.
Your highs are highs. Your lows are brutal. F#ck the hair bs. Keep honing!
Now do Mystic Ark.
Hardest rpg, eh?
I beat it. Not points of frustration. No barriers to progress. I just beat and have nothing but the best memories of this game.
... Probably a skill issue. All I'm going to say.
Lagoon is a 4/10. Hydlide is a 2.5. Lagoon wins by a far margin!! Deadly Towers only may be worse than Hydlide in tha tstyle...
I definitely wouldn't call John Riggs a Metal Jesus "cronie". Lol, cmon man
shriek if you're a freak
OMG OMG OMG IT’S AN SNES RPG! Breath of Fire, Final Fantasy! It’s everything I want to be! The greatest, the safest. So cute, I want to die! It’s Japanese apple pie. Why would I lie?
Head so huge, hair so pink. Don’t tell me it’s rinky dink. >:(
Dragon’s and warriors battle it out. A moral conundrum, the story has clout.
I’m levelling up, I waggle my spear. Time’s running out to play Odin’s Sphere.
Your sweet melodies calm my furious heart. I stock up on healing and go back to the start.
A hidden gem that’ve yet to complete. Ya’ll know in fairy land, I’m considered elite.
I've never finished it. The fights against the other dudes are just fucking broken.
I'm pretty sure those guys mirror your level too, making grinding useless against them, right?
Why Ess . . Lol
Chrono Trigger is the greatest game ever made without question
no ff6?
Um yeah you're nuts. FFIV is WAY better than DQIV.
Sorry but you're off your nut to say 'FFIV isn't one of the greatest games every made'. It absolutely is. Without it there would be NO modern JPRG. It's soundtrack is timeless. It's still my favourite game of all time. It is absolutely one of the greatest games of all time. Boo to you
While certainly influential there certainly would have been made more jrpgs.
Without wizardry there probably would not have been jrpgs as we know them, do you consider the wizardry games to be even better? I am guessing not.
He does say not to trust him
I mean… it’s one of the most _important_ games. But I wouldn’t put it in the top 25.
Given how many games there are, it's actually fine to put it on the list, somewhere.
I've played FFIV about 5 times now across different versions, and... yeah, it's good. But it isn't GREAT. The story and characters are pretty lacking, obviously compared to later RPGs, and the linear character growth is much less engaging than FFV's job system. It doesn't really stand out to me beyond being a good JRPG template for future games to improve upon.
You lost me at “FFIV’s story is garbage.”
ChronoTrigger?