Putting the most expensive CPU in the cheapest motherboard...
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Blowing most of the entire budget on a CPU and cutting corners elsewhere isn't a good idea, but is actually a horrible experience? I've paired an i9 with an Intel H610 board to find out.
Thanks for watching :)
Maybe the 14900k will last longer when it's underpowered lol Thanks Intel
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It won't, speedstep is enough to breakdown the io lanes, which is btw the real issue. 12900k vroom vroom, 13900T 35watt KaBOOM.
Oh before I forget, here is the only way to eek out of more life fom this chip. P.S "not written by the terrible Thunderlizards"
1: Disable all C states
2: Disable speedstep by manually choosing a specific multiplier.
3: Disable E-Cores if they don't want to listen
4: Slightly lower the clock and voltages on the DDR5 to around 1.4v
5: No more PCIE SSD via the top lanes, grab the Southbridge on the bottom or use Sata.
Basically try to stabilize the chip as much as possible, do not let it microSwitch as much, and prevent the io from being hammered when your system wakes up or when it wants to speedstep up.
Bit of luck this will keep most of the oi lanes in better health. Hope this helps.
@@tqrules01tell us more please.
Actually considering latest discoveries about 13th and 14th gen CPUs, it would definitely last longer on H610 then on unmodified Z790. Note: CPU would last longer, I'm not sure how would H610 handle all of this without cooling.
Thanks Steve
that's a good pairing. By the time the CPU degraded you can throw away the board, too!
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That mobo will outlive that cpu I'd wager
Genuine question, what games that cause 13th and 14th gen CPU to crash? I have been using 13600KF since 2022 and no crashes at all. It crashed on lots of games or specific games? Serious question
@@infochannel8705only i9 are the worst affected ones, i7 doesnt have that many issues and the i5 should actually be fine for quite some time but will degrade faster than most cpus. Hopefully by the time your 13600k gives up it would already be outdated.
@@infochannel8705 not sure about any games, but you may be referring to the instability issues experienced by some 13th and 14th gen intel processors. As far as I know, mostly (but not exclusively) i7 and i9 models were affected by a microcode bug that caused problems with voltages - they requested more power than they could handle. There was also a separate issue with some 13th gen processors with oxidation harming them during the manufacturing process, but I'm not sure about the specifics.
It's boring to have a CPU that works 100% all the time. With 13th gen and 14th gen Intel processors, users will have an adventure that can span days, weeks, months, and even years!
Userbenchmark moment
My i5 14600K is doing fine with my motherboard voltage settings tweaked, enforced inter's recommended power limits. I also managed to under-volt my cpu by -0.140 V while increasing clocks, so with my current CPU Lite Load settings + under-volt my voltage is at around 1.10 V at max. Temperature during a hot day while 100% cpu usage doing some stress testing is at around 70 degrees celsius. All of this without contact frame and arctic-mx2 thermal paste (which I'm going to replace soon) + at best a mid-range msi 360 AIO cooler. I hope for me it's gonna be fine.
@@Hunter961From what I’ve seen, it affects mostly i9s and some i7s. And the ones under large server workloads. So I think yours is fine for a while. Though I wouldn’t bet on Intel. If I was on the 14th gen chips, I would consider migrating whenever convenient.
@@kenlu7261 what great adventure to experience 🌪️
@@MM-vs2etI'm hoping Arrow Lake is much better.
The motheboard will out live that CPU for sure.
it is sad that what you wrote cant be read as a joke
They were joking? @@betag24cn
CPU Timer: engaged...time to self-destruct: UNKNOWN.
not every 13/14th gen cpu has this problem.. running a 13900k for 19 months now, never crashed
@@groenevinger3893 Same, running 13600k for over a year and not a single crash nor instability.
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Gameing on intel is so now advanced you dont need a game.
@@nyandre Same here. But I've had my CPU tweaked for power and voltage from day 1. It doesn't mean it's never gonna happen, but for some reason I think I'm safe.
@@THU31 Yeah lol, that voltage and unlimited power limits on early bios versions was insane, I had to tweak it day 1 too.
The scary thing here is the motherboard isnt the issue or risk.
Looking at this title i imagined SpongeBob with those baloon arms 😂
Anchor arms! Haha
14900K is a joke... My 7800X3D is generally faster in games and draws 40-50W while gaming... And doing all that while being stable!
We know that already
And without a hardware contamination, be nice when AMD fixes the big security hole as in the 3000 series and above processors. Just a pity they won't fix the previous ones as it's the whole production for the last 12 years. Lets hope it doesn't take a performance hit too.
"The i9 14900k here is one of the best processors money can buy" debatable lmao and I bought one of these pieces of shit I regret it so much
WHAT HAPPENED ??
@@dragoonxgamer it exploded
playing with the most unstable processor known to man is wild
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we play with overheating FX Bulldozers again?
@@oliknow They were never unstable, just slow and inefficient
@@SterkeYerke5555 I use fx4100 and 8120 95watts one
A defective cpu deserves only the cheapest motherboard...
14900K AKA "The flamethrower".
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It wont die now with that VRM lol.
Unironically a board that fails to boost the 14900k to ridiculous voltages could in fact have saved it
Degradation any% speedrun 14900k edition
Actually assuming that the motherboard isn't in any long-term danger! That CPU is probably in no more or even less danger, that CPU won't be able to receive as much power as it's designed to receive with a high-end motherboard. Therefore, it's actually probably very much constrained on voltage and therefore is probably one of the safest from degradation at the moment.
In fact, this is probably what I would do if I were going with such a chip. I would look one for one that has a high quality vrm set and keep an eye on it and I would probably run it until the microcode update and then I'd buy the expensive motherboard that would allow it to boost
@@donovan6320not an Intel engineer by any means but... Do you really think that lesser chip number equals less amps in stress scenario? If anything, it'll try to give it's all no matter the quality (pulsations, actual voltage and stuff) so can easily blast otherwise lottery winning CPU😅
@@andyshtroymish4997 I would hope the Intel motherboard did its homework and has appropriate safety measures and wouldn't try to give the CPU more power than it can reliably give.
Voltage is the problem we're talking about. Not amperage here. When you OC a cpu You don't mess with the amperage you mess with the voltage. The CPU does the exact same thing. The higher the voltage the more quickly it will degrade.
I would overall however imagine that amperage will remain pretty much constant no matter the part number.
@@donovan6320the CPUs are being damaged even during _sleep cycles,_ according to Intel internal discussion, so I don't think it being throttled by crap VRM is gonna stop degradation.
@@elen5871 It might slow it down however.
At least it wont be able to push enough power trough it to degrade it before end of warranty.
It might degrade faster due to bad voltage regulation (ripple) though
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Intel be like _"As you can see, even on a budget mainboard, there are no problems with the 14900K"_
Bomb activated
Bomb has been planted!
@@n8bayonet 😅
Lol)))
Just add Aerocool KCAS!
lol🤣🤣
"i9 14900K best processor money can buy" 😂😂😂
Thank you again for showing us what happens when you pair High-end parts with questionably "Compatible" budget others.
Be mindful of your PC compatibilities and requirements guys
With the Intel fiasco currently this is refreshing to watch!
"The i9-14900k here is one of the best processors money can buy" - given the recent news, this might age like milk. ;)
Hmm yes i may regret my word choice soon 😁
"Bomb has been planted"
I've also had a Gigabyte A520 board paired for a while with my R7 3700x & R7 5700X3D . 🙂
that one is completelly safe, specially if vrms had a heatsink, this thing, this is just a fire hazard
There is no distinction between high and low chipset. It is just a integrated USB+SATA+pcie bridge chip.
The 57X3D draws 90W on average, your board shouldn't cause performance drops
I am so glad all of my PC's are 12th gen or older. 14th and 13th gen seem to be quite the gamble recently. Actually, no gamble. It will in fact die a quick death.
The younger me did this all the time. These days I want those extra slots, headers and ports as well as avoiding the potential throttling. I don't just play games so if I'm running something a bit intensive a bigger well laid out board is a must.
How to stop a 14th gen intel CPU from cooking itself to death:
I would've loved to see a thermal image on those VRMs. I bet they were TOASTY, especially without any heatsinks! XD
Especially with an AIO. At least air coolers give a bit of much-needed airflow to the VRMs.
this will be my new pc config
You and budget-builds official I really enjoy when you guys review old tech
Where is the "a motherboard doesn't affect performance" crowd now?
I have an MSI A620m which is very similar to this H610m and I get the feeling based on techyescity’s testing and this video that the VRM setup is designed for low power chips using the stock down draft coolers which blow air down to cool the VRMs in order to make up for the lack of VRM heatsinks. In those use cases, I think these boards are a good value. They definitely work, but you get what you pay for. In the case of my Ryzen 7500F and the MSI A620m however, the AMD wraith stealth downdraft cooler was woefully insufficient for cooling the CPU even if it kept the VRM temps in check. My ultimate solution was to upgrade to a cooler that is essentially a clone of a wraith spire and to undervolt my CPU to the point I could maintain stock performance without exceeding 80w. Now the cpu maxes out at 84C in cinebench while MOS temps in hardware monitor are around 55C. So for AM5, this cheap little board is a bit more of a pain to deal with.
yeah, thats one of the biggest chance to get a crash.
I wonder how hot the uncooled VRM chips got. They probably throttled around 115C or so.
Aio-s are especially bad in that regard, usually no airflow over theVRM area. The one exception is Arctic Liquid Freezer series with it's gimmicky vrm fan
@@renerant aint nothing some cheap copper heatsinks and thermal glue from aliexpress can't solve
@@o_sagui6583 it takes more time and money to order those heatsinks and thermal glue and to install them than it would have taken to buy a proper (-ly cooled) motherboard in the first place.
@@renerant very cheap and 1 hour to set up
@@locbuiphu3018 I didn't mean installation time, but rather delivery time. I'm guessing on average a month plus from china to Europe.
me with the 12100 before hearing about 13th and 14th gen issues: 🙁
me with the same 12100 after hearing about 13th and 14th gen issues: 🙂
Before the cpu degrades I'd love to see a "how much is enough?" video for a high end CPU. How far can a mid range board carry a high end chip and how does it compare to running it overclocked and overvolted on a high end board?
Nice to see the board not do what my last cheap board did by going to panic clocks every few seconds from the VRMs overheating
This combo is used as an expensive IED
Many of us will watch this in some years from now on.
Why?Simple because many got a pc based on some entry level motherboard and low end cpu that they'll need to upgrade with something better sooner or later.
I just received an i7 9700k for almost free, but the only motherboard that i could find brand new is an h310cm from asrock, and guess what?It works flawlessly(i just manually limited the tdp on the bios to 65w).
Anyway, as always, thank you RGHD for this content that will be relevant for many years to come!
That platform is long overdue for replacement and its almost obsolete. If you said something like 12gen "cpu that they'll need to upgrade with something better sooner or later" that would be fine. When we or anyone is buying for example 12gen cpu it should NOT pair it with entry lvl motherboard, because price difference is not that much and people are doing some stupid things because of ignorance. I had R7 2nd gen, and of course i bought b450 motherboard to put 5th gen cpu. Board was like 100e, if i put weaker motherboard it would not have any sense.
@milosstojanovic4623 A 9700K sits comfortably between a 12100F and 12400F, both still sold retail today, hardly obsolete, especially if it was given to him.
@@drewnewby doubt, 6 years old cpu. Plus older memory. I5 and i7 12th gen with ddr4 will perform better.
@milosstojanovic4623 It doesn't matter what you doubt. There's ample data available to confirm as much. Spend more time researching before posting.
@@drewnewby it has from 20 30 up to 50 60 lower fps in newer games. Thats significant difference, especially in latest games where they will give lower fps overall so newer cpu architecture will have significant impact in more stable/average and %lows fps. So yeah you are just missinformed, and i did not say anything which is untrue. It is becoming obsolete (price/performance), and newer cpus are significantly better.
One thing I had hoped Asrock had pursued was the all in one motherboard concept which would have had a set of Intel and AMD CPU sockets in a removable format accompanied with a set of bespoke NB/SB hardware in a module form. In the mists of time Asrock were known for their "upgrade" motherboards which would have the outgoing CPU and RAM formats on the same board as the incoming format so to keep apace one just bought a new CPU and RAM set and took out the old one, installed the new one and PC would be ready to rumble immediately. It was rumoured that Asrock were considering this "one motherboard fits all" concept meaning you would buy one motherboard per iteration of CPU genesis and leaving you free to option in the best ram, graphics and storage as you liked and no more compatibility headaches so it was suggested. I think it is also time to bring back multi CPU platforms for the home consumer, every genesis of CPU's bring about claims of dual socketed this and that for gaming machines but they never get into production despite a large following of those who would jus' love to have a pair of high end Intel or AMD CPU's with matching ram pools... I know I would ;)
"It's never a good idea, but what if you did?" is my favourite series on this channel.
I always thought it doesn't matter what motherboard to use for your pc. Now, I know it does matter. Great video.
so if he doesnt post anymore we know why 🗣️🔥🔥
And I’m here sitting with a Mobo with just a single 4pin connector. You have something quite exclusive there my man
Best combo since the Pentium 4 and Rambus memory
On the other hand the lack of power might save the CPU from frying!
This thing can hit 280 to 300 wats dear lord. Intel tought this cpu was a good idea to sell in this defective state.
I've paired i9 9900k with b365m-hdv asrock board and it was running at 3.6GHz all time. After that i installed cooler on VRM (it does not have heatsink) and CPU started to boost up to 4.5GHz. Been using this with 2666MHz CL9 16Gb memory for several months with RX 6900 XT card, then switched B365 to "dead" Z390 Aorus Pro board. Fixed two pins in socket and got it working.
lol with the AIO you ensured no extra air to the poor VRMs :P I love it :D
I always thought that cheapest motherboard models on the most expensive CPUs would have ended in power/voltage-related issues.
for the people thinking of doing this, the reason you dont is because the VRMs are fewer phases in number increasing load on them and thus heat which causes them to fry because they have no cooling, a fan alone will not do. The board will fry theres a chance it takes other components with it when it does
edit apparently people seem to think im saying this will explode immediately; this is a long term use issue the VRMs will exceed spec over time degrade then fry and when they do there is a chance they inject the voltage theyre controlling directly into the board when they short out, where it goes is just whatever trace it shorts into if it shorts into any.
That most likely wont happen because these kinds of boards will just underperform instead of blowing up, HUB showed this in some of the motherboard tests.
@metamon2704 The CPU will under perform in the short term correct, but the VRM will exceed long term operation temperatures and fail sooner than later. Be kind to low end motherboards, they're cost cut in that area specifically.
They won't blow up, the manufacturer couldn't list it as officially supporting the processor if it was gonna cause it to blow up.
@lordvermintide4441 This has to be sarcasm right? Good luck with that board even at the supported 125 W, 24/7.
might actually end up saving the cpu from degradation now .
In my lifetime I've met so many cringeworthy combinations with either K CPU and budget board or OC capable board with locked CPU D: It just breaks my brain everytime I've heard explanations why.
K processors straight up perform better regardless of OC on modern Intel platforms 🤷♀️
@@Collin_J Maybe, and the price difference takes the cost per frame straight outta the window.
I bought a higher-end mobo for my wife's gaming PC. It had more bells and whistles than she needed at the time but her upgrade path now is just "swap the CPU and carry on for another 5 years without thinking about it"... Considering it's me who is responsible for IT in our household, I think the extra 50 bucks for an enthusiast mobo was money very well spent!
Unfortunately had learn this lesson the hard way a few years ago when I built my previous PC, had some $ problems back then so got a cheap z370 mobo with an i5 8400 with plans to upgrade to the 9900k and I did upgrade to 9900k but the VRM on that mobo got to 90c+ while gaming so had to upgrade the mobo too, learned my lesson and won't cheap out on mobo ever again.
That CPU will fry itself before the board even has a chance to crap out.
I absolutely wouldn't try this. That MB looked so barebones with its lack of VRM cooling lack of integrated IO shield, lack of SATA slots, PCIe slots and RAM slots that its clearly designed for office use only. It still has VGA on the motherboard!
heat sinks for raspberry pi go on those VRM modules quite nicely
kinda like some prebuilts in a way
Yeah it definitely is I’ve seen some questionable configs haha
Just did this with an i9 9900k into an H310 Micro ATX😂😅 with an i3 stock cooler. It's for Unraid, so there are no massive loads. Miles better than the i3 8100 that was in it.
It's like running too low of octane in your high performance engine, it'll "run" but you're leaving alot of performance on the table.
In theory this is a one of the best processors money can buy but in practice not so much.
This would be a good test to know if machines feel pain 😂
That's a huge difference. HUGE Jerry, huge!
So I assume with a much lower tier CPU the difference is not there?
Can u plz do the same test (especially cinebench r23) on asus h610mk d4.
Out of all h610 , it claims to have best vrm.( It cost more also)
I will appreciate your effort.
Man, the Intel bots/employees are out in force on these videos. Hope they're paying you well enough to get a reliable NOS 11th gen or AMD CPU.
What bad can happen
it's not like this CPU would break in near future or so
right?
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...right?
Your mission, should you choose to accept i9-14900k and pair it with H610?
Mission accepted.
This motherboard will self destruct in 10 days 🕶💣 🔥
rip those vrms 😢
No RGB header ?
Sounds like a plus for me!
I've never had trouble with cheap or used motherboards (even a 10$ used am3+ one i used for multiple years with an fx-8320 with light overclocking). But then again, i haven't done that with the recent high-end intel CPUs that love to pull upwards of 250 watts and auto-overclock themselves to near instability.
I wonder what the cross-over point for spending on a motherboard vs spending on a CPU is. Would putting 100$ more into the motherboard and getting a cheaper processor, like an 14700k, have better performance?
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upgrading from my i7 8700k to an i9 13900ks the biggest diffrence i could tell is how heavy the motherboard was compared to the old i7 mobo the heatsinks on the z790 are huge
Dang it you beat me to the race of putting an I9 in a cheap board.
I made the mistake of putting a 13700F in the cheapest B660 board. My cinebench score was around 23000 points. Later on i built an ITX system with a much nicer motherboard, with the same CPU i got 28000 points
Maybe this is a preview of the performance of the new microcode in August.
Nice paber weight you got there 😊
For this IMO it would be more interesting to see this with a low end chip like if it makes sense to go higher end motherboard but low end chip.
It’s really funny to think that the 14900k supports DDR4 because outside this video it’s probably a really uncommon pairing
an AIO with those already constricted vrms is a bad idea. Would've loved to see a fan blowing towards the vrms and seen if the i9 boosted higher
Not to mention the 14900k has a 100% failuri rate...
oz already did something like this and went very well, only vrms suffered a bit
being intel, i would be afraid of be your neighbour, that thing is a bomb basically, risk of fire
With that score of 37.000 + looks like you are using the latest intel bios on the motherboard because that cpu will hit 41.000 + with the old bios but don't use it big problem come with it anyway love videos like this.
Wow thats massively gimped performance! Crazy how thirsty that chip is. I think going for a solid mid tier motherboard is the way to go. That way you can easily start with a cheaper chip, then later on safely throw the best processor of the stack in with no issue
I did something similar on AM4. Used B350 board, but with holes for radiator, so I used DIY. That board without mounting holes, but if someone will buy something like that second hand, can watch for it as an option. For socket 1700 if it's gaming rig I'll rather switch off e-cores, turn on power limit of 125w or even lower and tried to downvolt CPU if it's possible on this board.
I think time to invest in a thermal cam or at least laser thermometer get some temps from all over the board. Crazy how much less wattage it's using.
Your "limit" in performance is also maybe because other board was using other auto settings. Sometimes we need to manually enable or set the settings. For example with my R7 5th gen on my board RE-Bar was disabled, and CPU boost even though its on auto was disabled, so it will not hit max GHZ. So in reality any mid tier board is enough for almost any CPU we put.
VRM implementation matters. Here’s hoping Intel prevents the whole generation from becoming unnecessary e-waste.
In fairness, I've seen W680 boards with weaker looking VRM than this and unsurprisingly they complain about performance when they throw an i9 in them
You should try this, but with a small (cheap) passive cooling solution instead!
Just for science, can you try using that processor on a Asus board?
this is very common where i'm from, i remember seeing a lot of H110 boards paired with top of their gen i7s on sale xD
though those chips were not nearly as power hungry as they are now :0
the vrm temps would be interesting, i guess something arround 90-100 degrees, if someone does something like that, i would recommend to use a big top blow cooler, so the vrm's get some air.
Or atleast a watercooler with a vrm fan
now do the most expensive motherboard with the cheapest cpu and see the performance difference and also see how much performance you can push at it with its bios
At least the CPU won't die as soon as other i9-14900K. 🤣
My 5950X scores a fair chunk more in R23 than the 14900K on that board (~27k with my tweaks), and I can cool it comfortably on a 120mm AIO.
Rather shocking how bad Intel's processors are when power constrained.
Longevity might actually be better; the lower power draw slows down the CPU’s degradation.
Yeah good point
Sry but the 14900k is not even a cpu anymore.
I have an MSI H610 and it works fine for 12400F as you mentioned. I wouldn’t put anything more than that though. I’m guessing your VRM was at 100+ degrees.
Ive seen people add heat sinks to the vrm on these hX10/aX20 chipset boards and have some decent results
Aawh the Hari Kari Chip. Man what a painful chip.
You should try the opposite, put the cheapest CPU in the most expensive motherboard and crank all the overclock and power settings to their highest.
I have an i3-10325 in a z590 motherboard and the bios, Windows and HW monitor say I have it running at 5.4ghz (all voltages set to auto) which should theoretically not be possible on a locked CPU, leads to a lot of fun and interesting results. 👍 Cheers