yeah. needed this couple weeks ago. coulda saved a lot of digging. Winch arriving soon. didn't expect when googling reverse winching I would come across Randy Newberg, my favorite streaming hunting show. lol winning! Shoulda seen the bear print in the snow where I got stuck. lol. dig...look around. dig...look around.
love the videos and your hunting style Randy. 1 thing I noticed though. if you had taken the line from the rear of your truck and went to another tree on the driver's side, still behind the truck, you would of been pulled back down the path you made instead of diagonal. I've done this in my Jeep before and it works very well when going sideways is not desirable
Correct. We did not have enough rope with us to reach the tree that would have been a straight back pull. So, we had to make due with what we had. Thanks for watching.
So... the take home message is to have 2 winches.. 1 front and 1 rear... or... have 1 winch that can slide into a receiver hitch on each end of the truck ;)
Exactly what I did , two receivers and one winch with receiver mount winch plate. And one snatch block, no more single pulls unless it's a quick easy pull. And my next truck will get lockers front back, screw limited slip
Horses, regular pickup, walking. All stopped by gumbo until it freezes or dries out. Light weight 4x4 atv four wheeler still goes down the wet, greasy gumbo road but occasionally not a great experience.
That is interesting data that could help us out (if we get the required hardware). Currently I don't have a winch, but I hope to buy a new truck and a winch around the end of this year (when I can afford to). How much rope/cable did that require? Was all of that rope/cable on the winch spool or was there extra rope/cable that you had to bring?
I have a newbie question having nothing to do with the winching solution in the video. Do people who have trucks with winches ever have a setup, maybe with a system of fairleads and guides, to run the winch cable from the front-mounted winch, under the truck, running straight behind the truck? This would be the most direct solution to winching backwards if you had the cable guides in place, and if you could get your winch cable under your truck when your truck is buried in mud or snow.
My grandfather built something like that on an old army jeep(pieced together from various year models) he used for fishing. Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly how he had it set up, and never thought to ask him to demonstrate how it worked while he was still able to show me. I still have the jeep, which still has at least part of the setup on it. Maybe I should look at it and try to figure it out one day.
I added a front receiver and rear receiver and have 12000 winch on a mount to go in either one, so pull pin carry to front or rear and you have front / rear winch in one.
Me too til I ran into problem of a power line with nothing but go forward, so had get front and rear receivers. Always figured if I got stuck , I wouldn't want to go forward just back where I came from . Yea that works with anchor points
Polaris used to make a multi mount winch for atvs which was great. Most times I had to use the back mount when stuck in snow. They stopped making it. Maybe I should get a portable winch used in both directions
@@Fresh_Tracks Glad I carry an extra winch line but more than that I carry my Pul-Pal ground anchor for those nasty situations when there are no rocks or trees near enough. (Geez, you replied 2 years ago and I just saw it while revisiting this video :))
Kyle Nelson understand the principle behind the physics just not why they used an extension strap. It appeared the winch rope was long enough but could be wrong if they were down to the last wrap on the winch drum! Cheers
I once saw a cable failure cut someone's leg off at the knee in Grafenwoehr, Germany while trying that same maneuver. Of course trying to recover 5-Ton Dump stuck to the tits in mud with only a single block system wasn't the greatest idea...as the accident investigators later determined.
Just put a receiver mount on the front of the truck….. move the winch front or back .. just need a longer power cable……. You are doing it the hard way"….
The front of a truck is a poor location for a winch but it frees the bed space and is easy to install. I mounted my winch in the forward part of the bed where it is far more useful for loading cars onto trailers etc. It's extra work but tow trucks have their winches in the bed for very good reason. The least likely vehicle winching direction is forward.
Yea pulled sideways. And if it was any deeper snow it probably wouldnt have worked. Also who carrys that much stuff with them regularly. It would fill half the bed of the truck lol
Well I would say if you lived wayyyy out somewhere with a lot of bad roads snow/ice/mud and had to go somewhere, it wouldn't be a bad idea to carry that gear with you if you knew you were going in some treacherous places.
My hunting truck would of went right through that drift. The key is to lift your truck and run tall tires, that keeps you from bottoming out. Truthfully Randy that truck is not set up that good for off roading, those tires are not aggressive enough, and you are to low to the ground.
200" of winch line is highly rare for anyone to have on hand outside of a wrecker. Most winches come equipped with 80' to 100' of line. Synthetic line would get tore up bad doing this type of pull with steel roller blocks and that much steel cable would weigh more than 150 lbs. on your drum. The average pull would be a PITA with 200' of either type of line on your drum, if you could even fit that much on; you'd be snatch blocking every pull just to get enough line out to have decent pulling power. I've rarely ever seen anyone on the trail that actually carried three snatch blocks; or a kit that came with three snatches. That strap connected to the d-ring on the end of the winch line looks sketchy AF, as well. This doesn't seem like a very realistic or safe demonstration. The general principle is accurate, though.
@@imchris5000 if I need to pull someone across the river I expect them to bring some cable too. I've got a pretty inclusive set of recovery gear onboard, but so should most everyone else who's out on the trail or out in bad weather; and if that's the case, then none of us should need to carry crazy amounts of anything because together we've got it covered.
This is nonsense. Pulling it more sideways than backwards. Assuming all the equipment? You need at least 4 snatchblocks and 4 attachment points not including ur vehicle: Vehicle Winch cable #A to SB #1, cable to SB#2, to SB #3, to Vehicle #B, to SB #4, to Vehicle # C 2 3 B ______ 1 4 C______ A
yeah. needed this couple weeks ago. coulda saved a lot of digging. Winch arriving soon. didn't expect when googling reverse winching I would come across Randy Newberg, my favorite streaming hunting show. lol winning! Shoulda seen the bear print in the snow where I got stuck. lol. dig...look around. dig...look around.
Randy can explain anything to anyone. Its a rare gift.
I love your hunt videos, but I needed to know how to do different recoveries, I'm stoked to see your channel as one of the suggested videos
love the videos and your hunting style Randy. 1 thing I noticed though. if you had taken the line from the rear of your truck and went to another tree on the driver's side, still behind the truck, you would of been pulled back down the path you made instead of diagonal. I've done this in my Jeep before and it works very well when going sideways is not desirable
Correct. We did not have enough rope with us to reach the tree that would have been a straight back pull. So, we had to make due with what we had. Thanks for watching.
that's a little thinking outside-of-the-box, love it! most ideas are obvious once it has been pointed out, so thanks for pointing that out :-)
So... the take home message is to have 2 winches.. 1 front and 1 rear... or... have 1 winch that can slide into a receiver hitch on each end of the truck ;)
Exactly what I did , two receivers and one winch with receiver mount winch plate. And one snatch block, no more single pulls unless it's a quick easy pull. And my next truck will get lockers front back, screw limited slip
Great video guys
Can you detail all of the off road gear needed to do this? Pullies, straps, snatch ropes, etc...
3-4 snatch blocks is already excessive, but who carries 3-4 tree saver straps?
Look for a video on this in june...
Good Stuff, Great Help, Good Tips 👍Thanks!
Please demonstrate some techniques during wet conditions in the Missouri Breaks
Technique 1: stay home when it is wet there.
Technique 2: stay put when it is wet there. You can't drive or walk in gumbo.
Horses, regular pickup, walking. All stopped by gumbo until it freezes or dries out. Light weight 4x4 atv four wheeler still goes down the wet, greasy gumbo road but occasionally not a great experience.
That is interesting data that could help us out (if we get the required hardware). Currently I don't have a winch, but I hope to buy a new truck and a winch around the end of this year (when I can afford to). How much rope/cable did that require? Was all of that rope/cable on the winch spool or was there extra rope/cable that you had to bring?
I have a newbie question having nothing to do with the winching solution in the video. Do people who have trucks with winches ever have a setup, maybe with a system of fairleads and guides, to run the winch cable from the front-mounted winch, under the truck, running straight behind the truck? This would be the most direct solution to winching backwards if you had the cable guides in place, and if you could get your winch cable under your truck when your truck is buried in mud or snow.
I don't have that. If people do have it, I've never seen it.
something i have wondered myself. please remember to share it here when you find it!
My grandfather built something like that on an old army jeep(pieced together from various year models) he used for fishing. Unfortunately, I'm not sure exactly how he had it set up, and never thought to ask him to demonstrate how it worked while he was still able to show me. I still have the jeep, which still has at least part of the setup on it. Maybe I should look at it and try to figure it out one day.
I added a front receiver and rear receiver and have 12000 winch on a mount to go in either one, so pull pin carry to front or rear and you have front / rear winch in one.
I have a 12,000 lib warn that slides in rear receiver , brings me back to where I came from
Me too til I ran into problem of a power line with nothing but go forward, so had get front and rear receivers. Always figured if I got stuck , I wouldn't want to go forward just back where I came from . Yea that works with anchor points
There's Backwards & Then there is Sideways !
I have a couple questions: Cable/rope length on your winch? Is it cable or rope? Can you use cable snatch blocks with rope? Thank you!
Polaris used to make a multi mount winch for atvs which was great. Most times I had to use the back mount when stuck in snow. They stopped making it. Maybe I should get a portable winch used in both directions
Randy did you ever find a front winch bumper for your new Titan
I think I have one located. Thanks for the reminder. I need to follow up with those folks.
That looked like it took 300 feet of cable.....?
200' ;)
@@Fresh_Tracks Glad I carry an extra winch line but more than that I carry my Pul-Pal ground anchor for those nasty situations when there are no rocks or trees near enough.
(Geez, you replied 2 years ago and I just saw it while revisiting this video :))
Pulling sideways is not pulling backwards...
May have missed this in the excitement, but why did they need a strap to create a double pull mechanical advantage? Rope to short maybe?
It does give twice the pulling power so taking stress off winch is good.
Gee purrs I get that but why not just extend the winch rope further through the winch block?
@@jimmyjimmy951 I would think that would do the same thing. Maybe they just wanted to show what to do if your cable wasn't long enough.
Kyle Nelson understand the principle behind the physics just not why they used an extension strap. It appeared the winch rope was long enough but could be wrong if they were down to the last wrap on the winch drum!
Cheers
Kyle Nelson All god mate. Always good to watch the videos and see how others are doing things. That’s how we learn, try and apply on the tracks. 👍🇦🇺
Now Randy you have to start making videos again
I don't care if you are shooting field mice. I am laid up and going out of my flipping mind
I once saw a cable failure cut someone's leg off at the knee in Grafenwoehr, Germany while trying that same maneuver. Of course trying to recover 5-Ton Dump stuck to the tits in mud with only a single block system wasn't the greatest idea...as the accident investigators later determined.
If I'm not mistaken that's a pro 4x he could get unstuck with the 4hi and locked diffs
Yes, I could have. But, we needed to let the winch do the work.
Just put a receiver mount on the front of the truck….. move the winch front or back .. just need a longer power cable……. You are doing it the hard way"….
The front of a truck is a poor location for a winch but it frees the bed space and is easy to install. I mounted my winch in the forward part of the bed where it is far more useful for loading cars onto trailers etc. It's extra work but tow trucks have their winches in the bed for very good reason.
The least likely vehicle winching direction is forward.
So impractical. Nobody carries all that crap. Shovel and recovery boards much faster.
Bull you were pulled sideways
Yea pulled sideways. And if it was any deeper snow it probably wouldnt have worked. Also who carrys that much stuff with them regularly. It would fill half the bed of the truck lol
Well I would say if you lived wayyyy out somewhere with a lot of bad roads snow/ice/mud and had to go somewhere, it wouldn't be a bad idea to carry that gear with you if you knew you were going in some treacherous places.
Put a winch on rear. Portable winch.
Or call AAA.
@@pauldow1648 AAA won't go off paved roads most places.
Sas Quatch NRMA in Australia will sort a recovery wherever you are off road. 👍🇦🇺🚙
Instructions a bit slower, close up of the rope, snatch blocks would be cool. But kinda have an idea. Confusing a bit
3 snatch blocks and 2 tree huggers.. hmmm, who carries all that?
I do
@@seanmares2406 haha me 2. After this video I got me 3 tree savers and 3 snatch blocks and 2 soft shackles
I do. ua-cam.com/video/SiEXuKniJbk/v-deo.html
I’d call this a sideways pull. Not really backwards.
What solid vest is that. Is that the Jetstream?
Yup, Jetstream in a solid color.
This isn't pulling backwards. it is pulling sideways.
A clearer tutorial please!
Seriously, more on them walking and not focused on setup
Failed commercial lol
Be nice for camera man to focus on the set-up and not then!
My hunting truck would of went right through that drift.
The key is to lift your truck and run tall tires, that keeps you from bottoming out. Truthfully Randy that truck is not set up that good for off roading, those tires are not aggressive enough, and you are to low to the ground.
That's missing the point tho, it's about demoing the recovery method
200" of winch line is highly rare for anyone to have on hand outside of a wrecker. Most winches come equipped with 80' to 100' of line. Synthetic line would get tore up bad doing this type of pull with steel roller blocks and that much steel cable would weigh more than 150 lbs. on your drum. The average pull would be a PITA with 200' of either type of line on your drum, if you could even fit that much on; you'd be snatch blocking every pull just to get enough line out to have decent pulling power. I've rarely ever seen anyone on the trail that actually carried three snatch blocks; or a kit that came with three snatches. That strap connected to the d-ring on the end of the winch line looks sketchy AF, as well. This doesn't seem like a very realistic or safe demonstration. The general principle is accurate, though.
I keep over 120' of chain and straps in under the back seat of my jeep. you never know when you will need to pull someone across a river
@@imchris5000 if I need to pull someone across the river I expect them to bring some cable too. I've got a pretty inclusive set of recovery gear onboard, but so should most everyone else who's out on the trail or out in bad weather; and if that's the case, then none of us should need to carry crazy amounts of anything because together we've got it covered.
@@PNWJEEPER01 The video shows what you can do if you're prepared. That part is up to you.
easy to get stuck in a Nissan😂
Just need a better truck Randy 😂😂😂
That truck has towed a lot of other rigs out of the ditch and none were Titans :) (grin, grin, grin)
This is nonsense. Pulling it more sideways than backwards. Assuming all the equipment? You need at least 4 snatchblocks and 4 attachment points not including ur vehicle:
Vehicle Winch cable #A to SB #1, cable to SB#2, to SB #3, to Vehicle #B, to SB #4, to Vehicle # C
2
3 B ______ 1
4 C______ A
Your first mistake was driving a Nissan, Datsun in my day, and yes I owned a Datsun a 1973 620 Sport truck, so I'm allowed to say it, lol.
It's a pro 4x different beast he could of gotten unstuck if he knew how to drive in the snow