@@MrHwaynefair Sure. Tell me whenever you want. I will try to adjust. These few months shall be busy though. I might get free again in April or something.
22:40 This is how I see it. We do have free will. But it is a will that is endowed by God. It is a libertarian free will, but relative to our human nature. And God, through grace, cooperates with our will to bring us to him in Christ. 27:00 God is not deterministic in this sense, so it can not be compatibilism as Reformed theology defines it.
Great interview. Thank you! What a great spirit❤. Also a nice way of stating you arent certain when saying "I was just flip flopping" (between Christiaity and Hinduism). Being a believer, I know what it means to flip flop. All certainty is temporary anyway🎉. We all dont know for certain. Also to favour men like David Bentley Hart speaks for him. Like him I hope and believe that at some point all men will go to heaven. No sadism, no cruel theories and hubris, which so many of these Evangelicals demonstrate and even Saint Augustine did😮 After reading H. Kueng, KH Deschner, Kant, Humes and many more, I less and less care for that one significant arguement in favour or against an issue. Its the heart that God will judge. Pretty sure God is with both of you (no matter whether you are right or not). Thanks again😂 I loved it❤
Thanks as always for your thoughtful and encouraging comment, Andy! I just don't believe we can out-imagine the Goodness and Love of God ❤️ (and you don't have to have degrees in theology or philosophy to engage in that 👍🏼) Blessings!
Compatibilism feels awkward if we imagine the will to be some kind of abstract metaphysical organ, or force, such that you have to imagine two of these abstractions - one divine, the other human, operating “in parallel.” But if we repent altogether from mechanistic theophysics and start doing theology, then we simply say that will is manifest desire. If God is coherently wise, just and loving in his encompassing the education of our desire within the manifestation of his, there is no reason to feel scared of being controlled. I want to be controlled in that way, because that kind of control is just creation extended through time.
….and of course this requires the incarnation of Christ and the union of our desire with and in his, otherwise we really would be trapped on the wrong side of a gulf between our blindness and his sight.
@@calebhintz5374 I am glad that you are going to check them out. Don't be intimidated by Laura Ekstrom's book on the problem of evil (or suffering though) because even though she does argue for atheism in the book, her book is valuable because she ultimately gives a good case for rejecting infernalist and annihilationist views AND that makes universalism much more respectable or plausible.
Mentioned at ~ 4 min: Can someone kindly explain what “rebirth amnesia” is in Hinduism, and why it is a theodicy problem similar to eternal hell in Christianity?
Rebirth amneisa is simply the view that in the next life people don't remember their friends, family, and their closed ones in their previous life, and they start a new and in a different place. In Hinduism, one view I heard is that - given libertarian free will, someone can theoretically be locked into the samsara cycle (the cycle of rebirth and death and temporary hells and temporary heavens)forever and never escaping this samsara cycle, but they always shall have the infinite opportunity to leave the cycle given libertarian free will. The goal in Hinduism is to escape samsara cycle and go into a permanent heaven or achieve perfect liberation. But someone can freely choose to stay in this cycle of rebirth and death and rebirth again and death again and again and so on forever if they choose to. I find this to be firstly, overpunishing even given retributivism. And secondly, uncompassionate (or unloving or unkind) and unfair given that God himself never gets locked into samsara cycle given God's absolute perfection or absolutely perfect nature. And thirdly and finally, implausible given that friendships and relationships are deeply important, and these rebirth cycles significantly frustrate or disrespect the value of friendships, family relationships, romantic relationships, and all the great bonds that are forged in suffering with each other and being born in a specific time and place.
Thank you for explaining. Losing all memory of relationships one has made would seem to diminish one’s soul or personhood. And the possibility of being trapped in a never ending cycle of birth, death, and rebirth is on par with ECT.
Thank you! I will have to listen again to take it all in.
Thank you for the chat, Wayne. God bless you! It is always fun chatting with you. Keep up the good work! Merry Christmas!
It was a real treat chatting with you, Rajat! Let's do again soon 👍🏼
@@MrHwaynefair Sure. Tell me whenever you want. I will try to adjust. These few months shall be busy though. I might get free again in April or something.
22:40 This is how I see it. We do have free will. But it is a will that is endowed by God. It is a libertarian free will, but relative to our human nature. And God, through grace, cooperates with our will to bring us to him in Christ.
27:00 God is not deterministic in this sense, so it can not be compatibilism as Reformed theology defines it.
Great interview. Thank you! What a great spirit❤. Also a nice way of stating you arent certain when saying
"I was just flip flopping" (between Christiaity and Hinduism). Being a believer, I know what it means to flip flop. All certainty is temporary anyway🎉. We all dont know for certain. Also to favour men like David Bentley Hart speaks for him. Like him I hope and believe that at some point all men will go to heaven. No sadism, no cruel theories and hubris, which so many of these Evangelicals demonstrate and even Saint Augustine did😮 After reading H. Kueng, KH Deschner, Kant, Humes and many more, I less and less care for that one significant arguement in favour or against an issue. Its the heart that God will judge. Pretty sure God is with both of you (no matter whether you are right or not). Thanks again😂 I loved it❤
Thanks as always for your thoughtful and encouraging comment, Andy!
I just don't believe we can out-imagine the Goodness and Love of God ❤️ (and you don't have to have degrees in theology or philosophy to engage in that 👍🏼)
Blessings!
@@MrHwaynefairso true!
It most certainly is.
Compatibilism feels awkward if we imagine the will to be some kind of abstract metaphysical organ, or force, such that you have to imagine two of these abstractions - one divine, the other human, operating “in parallel.” But if we repent altogether from mechanistic theophysics and start doing theology, then we simply say that will is manifest desire. If God is coherently wise, just and loving in his encompassing the education of our desire within the manifestation of his, there is no reason to feel scared of being controlled. I want to be controlled in that way, because that kind of control is just creation extended through time.
….and of course this requires the incarnation of Christ and the union of our desire with and in his, otherwise we really would be trapped on the wrong side of a gulf between our blindness and his sight.
Without having watched, I’m inclined to say… yes. 😅
I enjoyed Rajat’s passion- provocative ideas- and suggested reading…
Merry Christmas to you and Xochi!
@@MrHwaynefair I’ll be sure to check it out, merry Christmas
@@calebhintz5374 I am glad that you are going to check them out. Don't be intimidated by Laura Ekstrom's book on the problem of evil (or suffering though) because even though she does argue for atheism in the book, her book is valuable because she ultimately gives a good case for rejecting infernalist and annihilationist views AND that makes universalism much more respectable or plausible.
Mentioned at ~ 4 min:
Can someone kindly explain what “rebirth amnesia” is in Hinduism, and why it is a theodicy problem similar to eternal hell in Christianity?
Rebirth amneisa is simply the view that in the next life people don't remember their friends, family, and their closed ones in their previous life, and they start a new and in a different place. In Hinduism, one view I heard is that - given libertarian free will, someone can theoretically be locked into the samsara cycle (the cycle of rebirth and death and temporary hells and temporary heavens)forever and never escaping this samsara cycle, but they always shall have the infinite opportunity to leave the cycle given libertarian free will. The goal in Hinduism is to escape samsara cycle and go into a permanent heaven or achieve perfect liberation. But someone can freely choose to stay in this cycle of rebirth and death and rebirth again and death again and again and so on forever if they choose to. I find this to be firstly, overpunishing even given retributivism. And secondly, uncompassionate (or unloving or unkind) and unfair given that God himself never gets locked into samsara cycle given God's absolute perfection or absolutely perfect nature. And thirdly and finally, implausible given that friendships and relationships are deeply important, and these rebirth cycles significantly frustrate or disrespect the value of friendships, family relationships, romantic relationships, and all the great bonds that are forged in suffering with each other and being born in a specific time and place.
Thank you for explaining. Losing all memory of relationships one has made would seem to diminish one’s soul or personhood.
And the possibility of being trapped in a never ending cycle of birth, death, and rebirth is on par with ECT.