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Is Universal Reconciliation True?: An Appeal for Humility
In this thought-provoking video, we challenge you to consider the concept of universal reconciliation. Is it possible for all to be saved? Watch to find out more.
John Hopler presents "Rounding the Bases of Humility: How I Came to Believe that Jesus Will Restore All".
John embraced Christianity as a young man around the time he entered law school - but this changed the trajectory of his life to one of ministry within the broadly evangelical church. Along with this he (by default) also embraced the more common view of the eternal destinies of each and every soul: eternal heaven OR eternal hell...
But this changed one day when he was asked by two fellow passengers on a plane: what happens to those who die but haven't accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour?
This became another major turning point in John's life as he set about to humbly and prayerfully seek out what the Bible really says in answer to this deep and profoundly important question...
John shares his journey here - which is captured in his new (and, in my opinion, excellent!) book:
"Jesus Restores All: Good News from the Bible about Heaven and Hell"
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In the book John Hopler addresses the question, "What happens to our loved ones and all humans who die without believing in Jesus Christ?" Through decades of Christian ministry as a missionary and a careful five-year study of Scripture and church history, the author presents the hope that Jesus Christ, through His divine judgments, will ultimately restore all people to worship God.
In 31 enlightening readings, you'll discover:
A fresh perspective on Scripture that supports the belief that Jesus will restore all. Insights from early church fathers and significant figures in church history who embraced this hopeful view. Responses to commonly asked objections, such as "What about hell? and "What about free will?" and "Why do evangelism?" A good news message that both exalts God's justice and proclaims a hopeful and inclusive end to the story for all humanity.
If you're searching for a deeper understanding of God's ultimate plan or if you have questions about the afterlife, this book is a must-read.
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DECONSTRUCTION: Can Faith Be Refined And Survive the Fires of Doubt?
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In this thought-provoking interview, I sit down with my friend, Caleb Hintz-a young man bravely navigating the complex journey of deconstructing his Christian faith. Facing doubts and seeking deeper understanding, Caleb explores the foundations of his faith and questions long-held beliefs. Whether you're questioning your faith or seeking to reinforce it, this conversation offers insights and he...
The History of Christian Universalism: Presenting the *Missionary Universalist* Channel!
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Today I am joined by my new friend, Wyatt Cody (18 years old!) - who has a passion for the Victorious Gospel of Universal Reconciliation! But Wyatt's focused ministry includes an emphasis on the history of Christian Universalism - and just forebears as John Murray (aka the "father" of Christian Universalism in America). Please join me in welcoming Wyatt - and do yourself a huge favor and check ...
C.S. Lewis was WRONG?!
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What #C.S.Lewis got Right - and Wrong - about Christ’s crucifixion… Paul makes a clear distinction between the message of "Christ and him crucified" (1 Cor.2:2) AND another message that he only shares with the mature: "BUT we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory." 1 Cor.2:7 This in NOT about some esoteric or gnostic form of Christianity - eve...
Is Christian Universalism the ONLY Solution to the Problem of Evil?
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Rajat has seriously wrestled with "the problem of evil". It led him to, at some point, reject Hinduism and embrace Christianity. But then he had his doubts and was compelled by his own conscience to no longer identify as a Christian. But, upon further experience and reflection, he has returned with greater resolve to Christianity - specifically through the belief in the total perfection, goodne...
Atanas Nikolov: A New "Catch Up" Chat With Our Friend From Bulgaria
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Once again, several months have passed since our last catch up with my dear friend from Bulgaria, Atanas Nikolov. We discuss more of his journey into Eastern Orthodoxy - and how this is compatible with his deeply held belief in the restoration of all things...
Why Missions If Christian Universalism Is True?
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My first chat with George Hurd... George Hurd came to know Jesus as his Savior and Lord in 1969 during the Jesus Movement. He subsequently studied in Grace School of Theology and San Francisco Baptist theological Seminary, in California, before being called, with his wife and three children to the Colombian Amazon Jungle in Mitu Vaupes, where he has now served for many years as a missionary and...
Are We All God's Children? "Yes!" - and "No!" NOW WHAT? #ChristianUniversalism
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#ChristianUniversalism #BiblicalUniversalism #AreWeAllGodsChildren Are all humans, born in God's Image, His children? The Bible says "Yes!" - but it also seems to say "No!". What are we to do? Paul in Romans 11 shows us the way... After three-plus years I feel I am finally ready to present a series that proposes that Christian Universalism is solidly grounded in Holy Scripture... for example th...
Brief Reflections: Why Do I Use the Word "Universalism"?
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An impromptu moment (still in my housecoat!) - just wanted to share a few thoughts on why I still choose to use the word, "universalism" as in Christian Universalism. I believe that it Biblically is justified - and I will briefly share why... Thanks for watching! Please "subscribe, like and share" 🤗
Brief Reflections: O Love That Will Not Let YOU Go ❤️
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Just a brief (and I pray) encouragement about thinking thoughts about God that are truly worthy of Him and His unrelenting Love! Don't miss this wonderful playlist! ua-cam.com/play/PLlbOdKxMf5O9J_i3sq0n9YsfdRmRF5Jnt.html&si=WmxFk59uZ3Yi_l1Z
Biblical Universalism - Part 2A - Are We All God's Children? ❤️ #ChristianUniversalism
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#ChristianUniversalism #BiblicalUniversalism #AreWeAllGodsChildren In this video we ask the question: Are we ALL God's children? (or) Is God the Father of ALL? What does the Bible *really* say? The answer may surprise you! Link to Glen Scrivener's (Speak Life) remarks - full video: ua-cam.com/video/KEnr4Jj3SJc/v-deo.html After three-plus years I feel I am finally ready to present a series that ...
The Biblical Foundations of Christian Universalism - Part 1 - God IS Love ❤️
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The Biblical Foundations of Christian Universalism - Part 1 - God IS Love ❤️
A Love As Deep As Hell? Jonathan Greenfield shares his journey ❤️
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A Love As Deep As Hell? Jonathan Greenfield shares his journey ❤️
Chapter 2 The "Cosmic Christ" - Part 3: C.S. Lewis, Cosmology, and The "Magic" of Aslan's Death
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Chapter 2 The "Cosmic Christ" - Part 3: C.S. Lewis, Cosmology, and The "Magic" of Aslan's Death
Kyle Kothmann: Rediscovering the Kindness of God to ALL
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Kyle Kothmann: Rediscovering the Kindness of God to ALL
Until the Last One’s Found: An Introduction to Universal Reconciliation.. Curt Parton Interview
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Until the Last One’s Found: An Introduction to Universal Reconciliation.. Curt Parton Interview
The Mystery of Christ: An Evolving "Overview"
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The Mystery of Christ: An Evolving "Overview"
Christ Is The Life Of The World
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Christ Is The Life Of The World
Eugene Terekhin and the Power of Christian Imagination
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Eugene Terekhin and the Power of Christian Imagination
The Rich Man and Lazarus
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The Rich Man and Lazarus
Top 5 Objections to Christian Universalism Answered
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Top 5 Objections to Christian Universalism Answered
Chapter 2 The "Cosmic Christ" - Part 2: A Magic Deeper Still?
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Chapter 2 The "Cosmic Christ" - Part 2: A Magic Deeper Still?
Dr. Paul Axton: Misplaced "Reification" - Religion as Idolatry VS Christ as Ultimate Reality
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Dr. Paul Axton: Misplaced "Reification" - Religion as Idolatry VS Christ as Ultimate Reality
Calvinism Interrupted (by the God of Sovereign Love❤️): A chat with Frank Mercurio
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Calvinism Interrupted (by the God of Sovereign Love❤️): A chat with Frank Mercurio
Chapter 2 The "Cosmic Christ" - Which perspective Is True? Part 1
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Chapter 2 The "Cosmic Christ" - Which perspective Is True? Part 1
Dutch Reformed and Christian Universalist?! An Informal Discussion With Dr. Dieter de Bruin
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Dutch Reformed and Christian Universalist?! An Informal Discussion With Dr. Dieter de Bruin
The Man Who Can't "Unsee" Universal Reconciliation! A Delightful Conversation With John Chaffee
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The Man Who Can't "Unsee" Universal Reconciliation! A Delightful Conversation With John Chaffee
The Condemnation of Origen and Christian Universalism: What do the facts say?
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The Condemnation of Origen and Christian Universalism: What do the facts say?
Jordan Daniel Wood on The Mystery of Christ: The Theological Foundation of Christian Universalism?
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Jordan Daniel Wood on The Mystery of Christ: The Theological Foundation of Christian Universalism?
The Fellowship of the Mystery: Chapter 1 - Triangulations
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The Fellowship of the Mystery: Chapter 1 - Triangulations

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  • @xaviervelascosuarez
    @xaviervelascosuarez 23 години тому

    We're always free to correspond to God's love. A movement of the heart, a willingness to give ourselves fully to God (as God gives himself fully to us) is enough. Then all the weaknesses may get in the way of following through, but God understands and will take us. But God cannot take us without our repentance. And we are always free to repent. If repentance is inevitable, then we're not free. And neither can our decision to give ourselves to God be free. If our gift is not free, love is removed from the equation. If love is removed from the equation, the union of love with our Creator becomes impossible. Without union with God there cannot be eternal life. Without eternal life, there's no heaven. Universalism removes the freedom to repent. Therfore, Universalism removes the possibility of heaven.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 12 годин тому

      *Biblical* Universalism does not remove the freedom to repent. It just maintains that "free-will" (so called) is not the first and last Word. Where was your "free will" when you were born into the lineage of the first Adam? Into sin, condemnation and death? What part did your own "freedom" play in this? Or when and to whom you were born? These things "define" you - and genuine limits to your "agency" (freedom). But none of our wills are "free" in any absolute or fundamental sense. You many insist one it - but Fatherly Love will still not let you go... But you were also born with God as your Father (we are all His children", said Paul in Acts 17) You were born with the very imprint of God upon your being (the Image of God) - this, too, fundamentally defines your "nature" - even though fallen (yet that image is not destroyed - nor some grounding relationship with God, "in whom we live and move and have our being". So - "freedom" (in any true sense) does not define our being or existence. Scripture clearly states that every knee will bow and every tongue confess (or sear allegiance) that Jesus IS Lord. It implication of the word in the Greek for "confess" is a willing and GLAD confession... This is NOT forced - but comes from the agency of one made in God's Image - made In, By and *FOR* Christ (Col.1). What fundamentally defines my own children is NOT their "freedom" to reject my genuine Love. AND, as a Good Father, I will at times impose MY will BECAUSE of my love... (e.g. when my 3 year old wants to play in the freeway, etc. - I WILL stop such "freedom") We are made BY and FOR God. Our fallenness has blinded us... but when we genuinely SEE the BEAUTY of God - we will be drawn to it... Jesus said, "when I am lifted up I will draw [Greek:"drag"] ALL to myself". I don't know HOW He will conquer our resistance to what is best for us - But Scripture assures us He will... And it will never violate genuine Love - nor our agency to make choices. But it starts with the indelible imprint of the Father on us (our ontological "DNA") - our deepest "nature" that even the fall could not remove... Freedom? NO one is genuinely "free" apart from trust in Christ: "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free"🤗 Otherwise we are in bondage - enslaved to sin (and that did not come originally by any "freedom" or choice of our own...) A young drug addict may think he is free to run into a burning building (to destroy himself) - but any GOOD Father will "do" an intervention... Blessings In His Sovereign Love ❤️

  • @thespeez
    @thespeez День тому

    @ 19:45 ,EXCELLENT analogy of the spirituality of Jesus versus the spirituality of the people. It goes to show how little has changed since then!

  • @thespeez
    @thespeez День тому

    How could a Calvinist be the closest to universalism? John Calvin was a scoundrel! How could he justify the burning of Michael Servetus at the steak and still proclaim Universal salvation!? Sorry, but I don't get it!

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair День тому

      @@thespeez Because they believe that God is sovereign- but not Love…👍

  • @rickbrasnett3590
    @rickbrasnett3590 2 дні тому

    God is a holy, just God. He is soverign. You study the his word because you think yoy have eternal life but you wont come to me. In the end times people will lovers of themselves.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 2 дні тому

      Are you willing to engage in a "good faith" discussion? You left out one little thing: GOD *IS* LOVE❤️ (and this Love is described perfectly in 1 Cor.13!🤗) I *have* come to Him - and His Love goes beyond knowledge (of the scribes and pharisees) - Ephesians 3:19. God bless you and give you (and me) a greater revelation of His Love! YES! He IS "Sovereign"! But He is "Sovereign LOVE".

  • @rickbrasnett3590
    @rickbrasnett3590 2 дні тому

    Its not about me and my good works so I can heap glory on myself. Its about what God did for me and the glory I bring him. But I need to repent and truly believe. Born again.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 2 дні тому

      But - the Father heart of God *IS* to glorify *US!* See such passages as 1 Cor.2 where Paul says that the Mystery hidden for ages is "for our own glory"! A GOOD Father always wants to put the spotlight not on himself, but on his children.... That's the way of LOVE: "it is NOT self-seeking". But God's love isn't a "soft" love - it IS Holy (meaning nothing can be compared to it!) and requires EVERYTHING of us... It is even "severe" - but ALWAYS Good!

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 3 дні тому

    The Christ conscience-ness is heavy in many new age ideologies but they warp the redemption of Jesus or ignore it. That’s why I think evangelicals are heavy on the penal substitution perspective and focusing on the legal nitty gritty stuff. The universal love becomes that chasm in their spiritual understanding because of that one sacrifice and not have it resonating throughout life. As the guest shared it is an eternity of/eternal birth. We partake in the life of Christ literally. (More than a Eucharist meal of bread and wine.) I love how he said atheists cannot dismiss the main characteristics of the gospel- love and sacrifice.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 3 дні тому

      Please help me understand you: can you elaborate on the eternal birth- and how we partake in Christ more literally? Thanks!

    • @CurtisMiller-w9m
      @CurtisMiller-w9m 3 дні тому

      @ partaking in Christ literally is do the good works he did especially to the least of these. He washed feet, feed the hungry, cared for the sick by bringing healing etc. It’s not just a ceremony/ eating ritual like the Catholics believe. (Transubstantiation) It is like John 6 where you take him in as the bread/manna. He is our life force or source of life through the words he gave us from the Father. The guest was talking about resonating with Christ and having Christ manifest in a mystical/musical way. Enchantment was the theme. Christ is born in us and through us everyday. It is the Christmas is everyday explanation. The light shines through his people for the world to see. Being the eternal Word, that story is told and retold for infinity.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 2 дні тому

      I believe that (somehow) Christ fills everything in everyway - including the bread we break and the wine we drink... Some take this and say I am absurd. I just believe there is a deep ontological reality that Paul is groping after when he says these words under the Spirit's inspiration... I think something like "pan-EN-theism" approaches a true understanding of Reality... God is transcendent in His immanence - He is Eternity in Time... "In Him we live and move and have our Being" Thanks for the clarification!

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 3 дні тому

    A great testimony of revelation. I had a similar conclusion based on the verses he mentioned and life experiences. I appreciate his humility. Still don’t understand how someone so smart can be a Catholic…

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 4 дні тому

    A great discussion and good insights while expounding on Japanese culture. If the physical body is so important, why does it charge so much and what stage will it be in the afterlife? Ironically a man was talking to me about the spiritual physical this past week about how scientists try to spark life. A cell with all the components are present but cannot be revived when dead and they do not understand why. To me reality is like a dream. Those with near death experiences say our present world is so empty or false and they long for death where they experienced full life.

  • @tobydandelion
    @tobydandelion 4 дні тому

    41:30 I've never heard that argument before but it makes so much sense.

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 5 днів тому

    I like his testimony of escaping the old law of condemnation and how so many people cling onto that. It’s a blessing to see people walk in freedom by Jesus Christ.

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 5 днів тому

    A good description of the light of God bringing hope. There is no darkness at all ultimately.

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 6 днів тому

    I think Paul’s main message was the gospel. He was unpacking it and presenting it everywhere on his missionary journeys. I think he never got over being chosen on the road to Damascus and having a complete life change!

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 6 днів тому

    God wrote on stone, Jesus wrote on dirt. Interesting contrast and great emphasis that Jesus is the Word and that he should be our focus.

  • @CurtisMiller-w9m
    @CurtisMiller-w9m 6 днів тому

    A great explanation of the gospel and commentary of Romans 11. One of the best I’ve heard. Thank you Wayne! He wondered why God would get so angry and then forgive. Maybe when he has children, he will understand. God was always long suffering and sent many warnings before judgement. But then he would bless again because he is love. I disagree on the preexisting strict Trinity. Godhead means divinity. If they had perfect love before humanity, then why create humanity? Jesus was referred as human/man in Scripture and son of God. The guest is also close to full preterism and I hope that revelation will come soon.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 5 днів тому

      "If they had perfect love before humanity, then why create humanity?" Because of the overflow and abundance of that Love❤️ (analogous as to why parents in love have children?) For me - "the Son of Man" was preexistent: John 6:62, "what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before" (as other passages allude to) It points back to the visions of "one like unto the son of man" in Ezekiel and Daniel, etc. The full divinity and humanity of Christ are the cornerstone of my Christology: He is the preexistent Archetype of humanity - "the Image of God" after which every human is made... this is the grounding of His ontological Solidarity with the human race - and the reason that "when He died, all died", etc. I imagine we will have to agree to disagree -but that's okay 👍🏼 Thanks for listening and for your comments, Curtis!

    • @CurtisMiller-w9m
      @CurtisMiller-w9m 3 дні тому

      @ If you will allow me to comment on the couple examples you shared. Jesus was preexisting in the mind of the Father. The Logos was the code or plan that was made flesh. God with Us! The plan was for Jesus to die before the foundations of the world. He does say many times that he came down from heaven in John 6. He also gave an analogy of being bread. I believe he was inferring that his life and authority was from the Father above which is simplified as heaven. That is what the Jews were complaining about. Verse 41. We can be from above too. We are born from above -the true translation of born again! Jesus ascending up to where he was before, could be in reference to the manna/Passover teaching-eating flesh and drinking blood as life to his people. How would they be offended if they saw him rise into heaven? Verse 61. The vision of seeing one like unto the son of God (Daniel4:25) would be a pagan seeing a supernatural being. I do not believe he had any concept of a Unity Trinity but what a god manifesting would be if from a pantheon. KJV capitalizes God but it could be son of god. He actually called it an angel in verse 28 of Daniel 4. But he knew clearly it was the Hebrew God that had the power and was over all gods. I believe Jesus was a fully divine human. We are in him too. He is the mediator. To me it is all one family but your view (once mine) is that it is two separate families if there was this pantheon of the Hebrew God. Ephesians 3:14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 2 дні тому

      I cannot imagine how you think this is my view... " To me it is all one family but *YOUR* view (once mine) is that it is two separate families if there was this pantheon of the Hebrew God." I affirm ONE family - grounded in the reality (the Being) of God. I do not "get" why your distinction of Christ as "a fully divine human" is important. I believe He was and is "fully God - fully man". *But I do believe in a monarchical Trinitarianism* - that the Father is the eternal "source" of the Son and Spirit. I think either of us can appeal to certain passages that we privilege over others to defend our differing perspectives. I can explain away yours - and you mine. For me an eternally Triune God who is One and Many at once (for all eternity) just seems better - more approaching my own intuitions about just Who God is... As I said, I think we may have to agree to disagree... But thank you so much for watching more videos (I am pretty sure) than anyone else ever has! Peace and Blessing my friend ❤️ -wayne

  • @yoshkebenstadapandora1181
    @yoshkebenstadapandora1181 7 днів тому

    I appreciate Steve Gregg for many reasons, but I think he is way way way off the mark on this one.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 7 днів тому

      In good faith - I ask: why? Thanks for taking the time to listen - and to comment.

  • @CameronAspinall
    @CameronAspinall 8 днів тому

    "I pray for them, I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine"

  • @Alex-cm8gt
    @Alex-cm8gt 8 днів тому

    What are some examples in scripture of after Gods judgment comes restoration?

    • @fairviewpark52
      @fairviewpark52 7 днів тому

      God uses fierce language to condemn and warn....but in the end, He also restores.God judged Israel with the Babylonian captivity but brought them back after their captivity. In Jer. 30:12, their wound was called "incurable" but then He promises to heal and restore their "incurable" wounds (v. 17). God declares a fierce judgment on Moab to "make an end to Moab" (Jer. 48:35 ) and to "destroy them from being a people" (Jer. 48:42) but ends with a promise for restoration (Jeremiah 48:47). Similarly, God's fierce judgment on Ammon and Edom in Jeremiah 49 are both followed by restoration. In 1st Corinthians 5, God's fierce judgment of the immoral man (v. 13) is done for his salvation (v. 5) and that man was in fact restored (2 Cor. 2:1-11). Jesus came not to judge but to save the world (John 12:47). Therefore His judgments are all done for the purpose of salvation. God's judgments warn and condemn so that we stay away from sin....but God's judgments also restore. Here are a few more verses that point to God's judgments being part of His overall purpose to restore and save people: Exodus 6:6: “Say, therefore, to the sons of Israel, ‘I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from their bondage. I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.’” Psalm 76:8-9: “You caused judgment to be heard from heaven; the earth feared and was still when God arose to judgment, to save all the humble of the earth.” Psalm 119:149: “Revive me, Lord, according to Your judgments.” Isaiah 26:9: “When the earth experiences Your judgments the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.” Romans 14:10-11: “For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written, ‘AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD’.” Matthew 12:20-21: “A BATTERED REED HE WILL NOT BREAK OFF, AND A SMOLDERING WICK HE WILL NOT PUT OUT, UNTIL HE LEADS JUSTICE [judgment] TO VICTORY. AND IN HIS NAME THE GENTILES WILL HOPE.” The point is that judgment leads to all worshiping God in the end.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 7 днів тому

      A Christian universalist perspective on the destruction of Sodom-and indeed on all of God’s judgments-often turns on the idea that “eternal” in Scripture (Greek: aionios) does not necessarily denote unending, never-to-be-reversed punishment. Instead, it can express a divine judgment that is definitive, of great consequence, or pertaining to “the age” (rather than timelessness). A few points come into focus: 1. **The Restoration of Sodom in the Prophets** In passages like Ezekiel 16:53-55, Sodom (along with Samaria) is spoken of as being restored in some future day of blessing. This appears to conflict with references to the “eternal fire” by which Sodom was destroyed (cf. Jude 1:7). A Christian universalist will often say: if God truly intended the destruction to be absolutely final, why would the prophets speak of a future restoration at all? The tension suggests that the notion of “eternal destruction” must be interpreted in a way that allows for divine mercy and renewal. 2. **“Eternal” (Aionios) as “Age-enduring”** In Greek, the term aionios (often translated “eternal”) can simply mean “pertaining to an age” or “of the ages,” emphasizing the quality or nature of a thing, not necessarily endless duration. Thus, some universalists argue that statements about “eternal fire” or “eternal punishment” indicate a divine judgment appropriate to the age (the severity and gravity), rather than an unending state of hopelessness. 3. **Destruction and Restoration in Christ’s Own Words** When Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days” (John 2:19), He is speaking on two levels: - **Literally** (from the perspective of His listeners): the Temple in Jerusalem could be torn down. - **Spiritually and prophetically**: He refers to His own body being put to death and raised up again. The underlying principle is that what appears to be utterly destroyed can still be raised anew by God’s power. Even a judgment that seems irrevocable (the crucifixion of the Messiah, which looks final and absolute) becomes, in God’s hands, the pathway to resurrection and restoration. Universalists see this as a pattern in Scripture: God’s severe judgments, while real, may serve a redemptive purpose that culminates in healing or restoration. 4. **Consistency with the Character of God** If God’s nature is love, and He wills “all people to be saved” (1 Tim. 2:4), then judgments-however severe or “eternal” they may seem-cannot be taken as a final word against His creatures. Rather, judgments are part of a refining or purifying process, which will ultimately lead to reconciliation. In short, a Christian universalist reading of the Sodom texts (and other “eternal judgment” passages) is not that God’s judgment is meaningless, but that it does not shut the door to God’s ultimate purpose of restoration. Jesus’s reference to the destroyed temple, raised up again, is a paradigm for divine power to undo destruction; “eternal” does not necessarily equal “everlasting hopelessness,” but rather underscores both the seriousness of sin AND the greatness of God’s restorative grace. Grace and Peace To You!❤️

  • @thehub9949
    @thehub9949 9 днів тому

    Great presentation! Thank you both! Thank God my wife shares my UR beliefs. One of our kids and his wife also believe in the “larger hope”. We are in a congregation that has now moved in a much more reformed direction. Rather than give up the many relationships we have there, we have adopted the following motto: “eat the meat and spit out the bones”. Rejoice when you hear the truth, and pray when you hear things you don’t think are true. Never let anger or resentment take root. Rather be filled with love. This is not easy, as I know, so pray hard for it. Being in a church body is very important, and if we who believe in the ultimate restoration of all things become loners, we will suffer, and also miss out on opportunities to encourage those we encounter that are struggling with the idea of eternal evil and torment.

  • @MrHwaynefair
    @MrHwaynefair 10 днів тому

    This is a GREAT summary in defense of Universal Restoration of "all things" ❤️

  • @goblintown
    @goblintown 10 днів тому

    MIND BLOWN on Caiphas!

  • @goblintown
    @goblintown 10 днів тому

    Great vid. Some really cool concepts discussed:: incarnational listening, etc.

  • @chrisgreen2013
    @chrisgreen2013 10 днів тому

    Great that humility is being advocated in terms of a willingness to learn, rather than as it is sometimes presented: a refusal to learn, on the grounds that we cannot be certain about the things that other people are certain that we must be uncertain about. Theology is a moral exercise from beginning to end: unless we have the right attitude, we are unlikely to understand anything as we ought. We will certainly not conclude things like "God is not the God of the dead but of the living" as spiritually self-evident apart from proof texts, as Jesus himself required.

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale978 11 днів тому

    I understand what you're saying about the Law of the Spirit of Life, but does that mean that the Law no longer has value or a role in the Christian life?

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 10 днів тому

      That's a great question - and well meaning (good faith) Christians disagree... for me the most critical answer to that is 2 Cor.3 (and Romans 7, Ephesians, Colossians and Galatians) - the new way of the Spirit means we will fulfill the Law - but only as we more deeply realize Jesus is the fulfillment of all the Law pointed us to.. "against such there is not law"... If believe if a person truly loves - they will not violate the deeper meaning of the Law - which is fulfilled (and therefore abolished) in and by Christ. Now we must gaze on HIM, not seek to live by the Letter (prohibitions written in stone by the very finger of God) - but by the Spirit. This is way of transformation: from Glory to Glory! ❤️ Always good to hear from you, James!

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale978 11 днів тому

    4:20 I agree, Wayne, that some Calvinists seem disingenuous when presenting their Faith. I'm not sure that they are trying to be deceptive. They just don't have good answers to the problems their theology gives rise to, so they avoid them. Calvinism (not Calvinists!) Is, in my mind, anti-Christian at its core, and can never yield anything positive.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 10 днів тому

      You are right, James 👍🏼 No doubt they are not trying to be deceptive - they are deceived - and just pass it on to others as the gospel truth... The greatest misnomer in human history? "The doctrines of grace" (so called)! I pray that as a former Calvinist I can speak to them, my brothers in Christ ❤️ Thanks my friend!

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale978 11 днів тому

    I want to thank John for sharing his thoughts. It's always helpful to hear the path a person takes to get to universal restoration. Like so many, I'm on the fence. I've defaulted to ECT since coming to faith in Christ 50+ years ago, never thinking too deeply about it. After all, God said it. That settles it it. Right? But, as Lee Corso says, "Not so fast!" The last few years, especially now that I'm older and am encountering death at a much higher rate than before (I've also been a hospice Chaplain the last 15 years), the whole idea of what happens after death has become front and center for me. God has me on a journey. Regarding where that will end up on universal restoration, I don't know. I'll only say this: I'm not where I was a couple of years ago. I keep trying to practice "incarnational listening." I like that phrase. I'm not sure I've heard it before. Wayne, I appreciate you, your channel, and your high view of Scripture, which keeps me coming back to you.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 10 днів тому

      Thanks for your kind and encouraging words, James! "incarnational listening? Yes!! God continue to richly bless you in your hospice ministry! If you had to narrow it down to what still seems to keep you from embracing UR - how would you frame it? (II know that might be challenging - but I would love to hear what you might say in response...)

    • @perazdera2827
      @perazdera2827 9 днів тому

      Rom 8: 11 BUT IF the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the d3ad dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the d3ad will also give life to your MORTAL bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. Problem is John 14:17 “the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.. They wait for carnal Jesus,deceived,not understanding that the Holy Spirit is 2nd coming. Mat 23: 26 “Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also. Paul gave simple test to see if man is in correct faith: 2 Cor 13: 5 unless he/she is disqualified 2 John 1 : 7

    • @jamesbarksdale978
      @jamesbarksdale978 9 днів тому

      ​@@MrHwaynefair Simply put, Wayne, I'm not convinced that the Scriptures teach it. Certainly, there are passages that imply it, e.g., Isa 25:6-10; Acts 3:21; 1 Cor 15:20-28; Col 1:19-20; Rev 21:1-4, etc. But there are also passages that suggest otherwise, e.g., Dan 12:2; Mt 7:21-23; 25:31-46; Mk 3:28-29; Jn 5:25-29; Heb 6:4-8; Jude 7; Rev 21:22-27; 22:14-15, etc. I haven't been able to sufficiently work this out in my mind, so as to say I affirm that all shall be saved.

    • @jamesbarksdale978
      @jamesbarksdale978 9 днів тому

      ​@@MrHwaynefair By the way, I recently watched a YT teaching video by Dr Kevin Vanhooser called The Sovereignty of God. He presented it at an EFCA convention. In it he covers Relational Theology and Universalism. Very thought-provoking! I invite you to look it up.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 8 днів тому

      Scripturally I am convinced that it is not only implied but stated: "the all things" (with the Greek definite article) means exhaustively "each and every thing" that Christ created and sustains. Also I do not see how to interpret Romans 5 otherwise - and the whole Adam Christology that flows out of it and 1 Cor.15. Theologically (even philosophically) my interpretive principle is "maximal goodness" - therefore I let these verses and many more bring me to the conviction and confession of unilateral Victory: Christ will do far more than the first Adam (and the first did not ask our permission to throw the world into sin, corruption and death). But there I go again, Sorry... You know all this - and I genuinely appreciate that you seriously consider these things - unlike so many that simply dismiss them.... So I guess our difference is in what we think is "implied" and what is explicit and plain and moves in the direction of Love and Goodness beyond what we can think or imagine... One of the things I keep pondering: HOW do we resolve these paradoxes of Scripture? I think there is a way (and you've almost certainly heard me talk about it - even as I alluded to above...) Thanks for sharing and answering, James! I appreciate and respect your take on these things ❤️

  • @jamiesmith449
    @jamiesmith449 11 днів тому

    You mention Hitler vs Billy Graham. Graham did not believe that the cross saves. We must add to it. That is unbelief is it not?

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 10 днів тому

      I think he did - and yet not as fully as I do (as a Christian Universalist)... I don't know his heart - and I think the gospel he preached was incomplete at best... God will judge him in Love - purify him with fire -and, as Jesus said, "we will all be salted be fire", and Paul, all our works will be put through a fire that will burn up the wood, hay and stubble...

    • @danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb
      @danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb 9 днів тому

      Luke 7: 41 “There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. Luke 7: 42“And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?” Luke 7: 43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.”

  • @JoshuaInTheWoods
    @JoshuaInTheWoods 11 днів тому

    Thank you for the upload 🙏🏼 Did the QnA section perhaps get recorded?

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 10 днів тому

      Thanks, Joshua! The Q&A is on a longer (private) video of our recent zoom meetup... If you'd like to join the group just send me an email at sovereignloveorg [at] gmail [dot] com and I will add you to our list (and send you a link to last Saturday's meeting) 👍🏼 Thanks an Blessings! wayne

  • @Reidludwick
    @Reidludwick 13 днів тому

    Interesting conversation- I have had many similar questions and struggles myself. Would love to hear more!

  • @Absolute_Optimist
    @Absolute_Optimist 13 днів тому

    Keep up the good work, gramps!

  • @RandyAndy7373
    @RandyAndy7373 14 днів тому

    Loved this conversation much🎉 Caleb has such a nice character. Also easy to listen. What I really liked. It was a relaxed, not agitated and also warm conversation between two people that arent trying to be right all the time. The "que-sais je" from Montaigne was palpable. We need more of this! And it's true what Wayne said. Labels are becoming more and more meaningless. I am an agnostic theist and also a Roman Catholic. Most people dont even think thats possible. Isnt it funny. As soon as Caleb said he is an Universalist I thought he is probably a swell guy. And thats what he is. Thoughtful and intelligent. He thinks about the rejected and outcast. More pls!!🎉 Thank you!! Just a sidenote. I have an MD and have to push back a little. I dont agree that love is the main agent within human brains. It's that awful will to survive and a hundred of terrible instincts within the limbic system. Sad to say: Only the evolutionary theory explains everything. Its not the bible. The bible onny leaves us wondering. I hope that God will show more mercy and a lot more love than what we see on a daily base in religions, in politics and private life. Something inside of me tells me he will.

    • @calebhintz5374
      @calebhintz5374 13 днів тому

      Thank you for the kind words. To clarify, I didn’t intend to convey that love is the driving force behind the human will. Certainly, the history of the vast majority of life on our planet consists of a brutal competition for limited resources, with the goal of successful reproduction. However, I do find it interesting that we, as a species, have in some ways surpassed selection pressures, and now bend nature to our own will, in a sense. Certainly our primal survival instincts remain, and very well that they do. But the transformative power of love on a human “heart” is remarkable, I think.

    • @RandyAndy7373
      @RandyAndy7373 13 днів тому

      @calebhintz5374 I am not sure on that "will" issue. Is it good or is it bad? Does it hinder us? On one hand we need it. All main neuro-psychological studies show, that the emotions are always first. Our prefrontal cortex activates later. These are the reasons nature gave us all these biases, which most philosophers hate so much. We dont really care much about truth and morals. Schopenhoper was right. We are pushed from behind. We dont do things for there are good reasons. We retrospectively add reasons to our (mainly amoral) behaviour. Thats why there is so much sophistry in the world (hate it). Yes you are right. We have these possibilities to show love, to act altruistic and to be good. ITS implanted in us. Mirror neurons and our neo cortex. But look at the bible and all the religions. In the end its about the selected, about people being damned and tormented (for almost everything) and about dying for that one real thing. Even Jesus was a part of that group in many ways. I think it was W. James, who stated that people take the greatest interest in things they cant prove. Justice (who can define it), nationalism and religion. People kill for these issues, yet they cant prove anything and it's so arbitrary. Why? Assumingly these 3 topics give people an anstonishing amount of identity. They need that. I always wondered why people who prefer Hobbism have such a good quality of life. They die with the knife in their hand. They are not bothered much by bad conscience or morals. My opinion: only pharmaceuticals will solve all these problems some day!✌️✌️ Neither psychology nor philosophy and surely not these crazy religions will do the job👋🌞🖐️ Till then I decided to stick to stick with M. de Montaigne, who once stated that he is not certain enough to kill other people in time so of the bartholomews night.

  • @tonyspare2468
    @tonyspare2468 14 днів тому

    My problem with taking the position of the Bible not being inerrant is not a fear of being sacriligious, I know God is bigger than that and won't be offended by that take. It is the responsibility one has to take on when they go down that road. I do not want to be the guy making the call for myself on which scriptures are true, right, just, or however you want to say it. I rather look at the Bible as a miracle of God that found it's way to my eyes over thousands of years and that it truly does have easy to understand basic truths. I feel that the miracle of the bible is in it being for "unlettered and ordinary" people. That a serf in 12th century France could benefit from the basic ideas of it even as the Pope tries to muddy it. Yes people and institutions add all kinds of contexts to all kinds of verses, but the basic message shines through it all. I was raised as a Jehovah's witness and left when I was 25. I know God introduced Christ to me in that place and showed me the basics of who he is. That corrupt organization could not hide him from my parents, myself, my wife and children, and everyone else there that genuinely wanted to know him and love him. I am very anti-religious but I also know God is in all these faiths, drawing people to him in his time. Love is the cornerstone I agree. Your wife was not demonstrating love herself that drunken night, she was a blessing from God and was herself God's love for you shown over 50 years, a miracle! Take heart in the simple things of God and cling to love and you will be with him, he will draw close to you.

  • @stephengorman1025
    @stephengorman1025 14 днів тому

    Greetings from Wales. That was so good and resonated with my journey over 50 years to a position of ultimate reconciliation. Unlimited Atonement and the Steadfast Love of God for all is what makes the Gospel Good. News. Keep up the good work, Grace and Peace.

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale978 14 днів тому

    Thanks, Wayne and Caleb. Great conversation! Although I'm your age, Wayne, I can appreciate Caleb's struggles, as I have had them in one way or another through the course of my life, too. Honestly, I don't understand people who don't have them. It seems to be who we are as human beings. I think early in the video, you discussed panentheism. I think Paul teaches that, as well as Eastern Orthodoxy. If not panentheism, at least a qualified theism. There's an Orthodox website, the name of which I can't recall. I think it's OrthoWiki, or something like that. They have a great article on the Orthodox pantheistic view of God. I guess my final word to Caleb, and all of us, at the end of your conversation, is to simply say that God is faithful. Whatever our struggles, he is there for us and is always working in our lives for good.

  • @calebhintz5374
    @calebhintz5374 14 днів тому

    Thank you for having me on Wayne

  • @warrenroby6907
    @warrenroby6907 14 днів тому

    I love the Missionary Universalist channel. He is doing good work for the Kingdom.

  • @jamesbarksdale978
    @jamesbarksdale978 14 днів тому

    An impressive young man! I would never have known he's 18 unless you had mentioned it.

  • @MissionaryUniversalist
    @MissionaryUniversalist 15 днів тому

    Agian thanks for having me on God bless.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 15 днів тому

      Thank YOU, Wyatt! God bless you for all you do ❤️

    • @MissionaryUniversalist
      @MissionaryUniversalist 15 днів тому

      @MrHwaynefair You to Wayne Christ Will Conquer.

    • @jamesbarksdale978
      @jamesbarksdale978 14 днів тому

      Thanks for coming on to Wayne's show, Wyatt. You are a bright, learned, and articulate young man. I have no doubts that whatever you choose to do in life, you will go far!

    • @MissionaryUniversalist
      @MissionaryUniversalist 14 днів тому

      ​@@jamesbarksdale978Thank you

    • @CurtisMiller-w9m
      @CurtisMiller-w9m 12 днів тому

      @@MissionaryUniversalistI was raised Southern and Independent Baptist. I too have come into Universalism. I came by also believing full preterism and the unity of God. Not eternal past Trinity physically. Hope you can check that out. Also Satan was a liar from the beginning and not a holy angel that fell. I’ve reformed my view of him. The book of Enoch has influenced Biblical Christianity. Satan fell from his power like lightning -that is what Jesus prophesied. Thanks for sharing.

  • @jeromemausling6324
    @jeromemausling6324 15 днів тому

    "A lot of them Yankee churches..." 😂. What a delightful young man. Mature beyond his years. A good example for young 'uns and older fogies like me too.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 15 днів тому

      Well said, Jerome 👍 I was shocked to find out Wyatt’s age- indeed a great example!

  • @frankherrera510
    @frankherrera510 16 днів тому

    The crucifixion was not to appease an angry God

  • @nv4306
    @nv4306 16 днів тому

    Good vid!

  • @Isthishandletakenalready
    @Isthishandletakenalready 17 днів тому

    Love ya brother, thanks for inspiring us

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 16 днів тому

      Thanks my sister! YOU inspire me 🤗❤️! Be strong - take courage: God is GOOD all the way up, down and across (height, depth and breadth) - and "He's got this"!

  • @davidwilliams504
    @davidwilliams504 17 днів тому

    While Lewis remained, as far as we know, committed to a ‘freewill theodicy of hell’ he did at times seemed bound to question his own philosophy. He once wrote, “the words, ‘compel them to come in’ (Luke 14:23) have been so abused by wicked men that we should shudder at them; but, properly understood, they plumb the depth of the Divine mercy...His compulsion is our liberation” - Surprised by Joy; p 228 (emphasis added). Surely Lewis here is recounting the paradox facing all who honestly confront this issue, of man’s feeble will against the transcendently compelling Love of God. Lewis refers to this paradox as a compulsion to submit to God freely. Nothing more need be said.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 17 днів тому

      Thanks, David! Beautifully put - and a true gem of a quote that I did not recall from reading Surprised By Joy... It reminds me of hearing someone call Lewis a "pessimistic universalist", which captures something of the humorous irony that his writings often (to me) convey. Thanks for sharing this - and, if you're ever interested in a chat (even an interview?) please reach out to me at sovereignloveorg [at] gmail [dot] com👍🏼

    • @davidwilliams504
      @davidwilliams504 16 днів тому

      @@MrHwaynefair That's very kind Wayne, thank you. Yes, I've often pondered Lewis' situation myself; he is something of an enigma (least, to me). But then many others are too. This past year I've read some of the works of Andrew Fairbairn & P.T. Forsyth (among others), both Scots, both leaning (strongly) towards "universalism" and yet both flatly denying the same. N.T. Wright is a contemporary example of the same species. They are all fine men who can't quite perceive of a God great enough to ultimately reach that plateau Paul refers to as being All in all... that is, Christ handing over to His Father, at the "the end" (to telos), a completed and perfected universe (1 Cor. 15:27,28). Dissonance is the word that comes to mind here, but then perhaps we all suffer from that to some to degree or another! Thanks for the email; will make contact shortly.

  • @baptizeus
    @baptizeus 17 днів тому

    I felt like God was showing me that we will be in a rewards based system of crowns. But many who are like the Pharasees overly confident & mean will be surprised. Love covers a multitude of sin.

  • @kylekothmann2678
    @kylekothmann2678 18 днів тому

    Excellent teaching Wayne, thanks.

    • @MrHwaynefair
      @MrHwaynefair 18 днів тому

      Thanks so much, Kyle! Would love to connect with you again and catch up 👍🏼

  • @dystoniaify
    @dystoniaify 20 днів тому

    We have the best God. He's both theistic and relational through the Trinity and panentheistic through Christ. Unlike the new age "Christ consciousness " we are children of God, saved by grace, which is less likely to lead to narcissim and the false light. However, the enemy did put a little bit of truth in the lies. When we die to the flesh in order that Christ may live, we can at moments be blocked with experiencing union with God, which sadly manY Christians run from due to the lies in New Age.