@@rabd3721 Yes and also remember her outtie's father mentioned that she is the exact reason Lumon went with the idea of these chips in the first place. He said when he brought the chip home she mentioned to him that everyone should have one. That makes Helly's outtie the actual main villain of the whole show and the source of their pain and punishment. Very interesting dynamic.
@@Friendsshareits sad cuz Helena might be the main villain but shes just as much a victim as the rest of them. Her father probably guilt trips her and manipulates her abt the chip idea, being all like “you were the one to convince me to use it” so now she thinks shes responsible for it and because she supported it into existence she needs to follow through with it even if shes starting to doubt it.
that's a stretch. as the other commenter has already said they were probably already going to use it the way they're going to use it regardless of what she said to her father but even if they hadn't, a flippant comment from her once cannot possibly make her the main villain....@@Friendsshare
I feel like it would have been a better decision for Outy Helly to tell Inny to just stick it out a few more days (or weeks... however long it was to the speech), then she'd let her retire.
@@CastironRibeye exactly, she knew that it would look bad for Lumon if she un-severed. Helly’s innie and outie were at war with each other over something that defined each of their lives
That scene was the most chilling in the show to me. The whole time Helly had been sure if only she could communicate with her outie everything would be cleared up, and then... this.
Also it kind of plays with my mind a bit with me thinking the middle men like Milchick and ms.Cobel would deny the request for resignation in a sort of bueacratic way where they just hide the resignation request but no, they actually deliver it quickly to the outtie and a real swift reply comes back to them within a day. There is very little in terms of corruption on that specific front.
@@Friendssharewell, the reason why becomes apparent in the final episode. .... ... ... .. the reason they would make sure the outie got the request and then returned with the response quickly is because Helena is the daughter of the CEO so she gets special treatment anyway
what an astute observation! if only there was a scene that showed her being one of the highest authoritative figures in Lumon at the end of the season, guess we'll have to continue speculating..
Are you genuinely this stupid? The original comment wasn't speculating, it was pointing out the clues laid early on in the season hinting at the Helena reveal.@@faiznasruddin6596
The brilliance of this script is that even though Helly's outie seems so evil and out of touch with reality during this scene, the final episode recontextualizes it brilliantly to the point that it makes sense she would be acting this way.
SPOILER OUTIE HELLY(HELENA) IS SCARY AND EVIL. SHE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ANYONE DOWN THERE AND HAS LITTLE REGARD FOR HER INNIE WHATSOEVER. CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE HELENA IN S2 SHE WILL BE THE MAIN VILLAIN
What? It gives additional context to show exactly how evil and out of touch she is, but it doesn't recontextualize or make her seem any less evil or out of touch.
@@radicalstanza3614they're talking about recontextualizing the scene that is being shown in the clip, it gives the clip a whole other meaning after knowing who she was at the end. now we understand the motive of why she is so cold instead of her just being someone who doesn't want to experience working, it's shown that her motives goes far beyond that.
@@faiznasruddin6596 obviously it provides additional information to the thing we didn't have much information about. That goes without saying. It gives actual context the way any scene elaborating on anything does. It doesn't recontextualize or change the meaning of the original scene.
I find it so intriguing that out of all the innies there, Helly is by far the most rebellious of them all, her leadership and persistence when she was one deemed that she won’t be a lamb and settle down to become some stranger’s (herself) working persona and let outie live a comfortable workless life. Helen doesn’t take anyone’s shit, but somehow expects helly do? That is next level arrogance, very narcissistic to the point that she will insult other side of herself😂
It probably has to do with her subconscious playing a huge factor in this. Since her outie is involved with the company and is the CEO’s daughter she knows there is a sinister agenda going on with the company. Even with her memories wiped out her intuition is telling her this is wrong!
@@TheLetterH111 Except this is a complex show which includes subconsciousness, identity, self perception, etc. The show itself showed that Mark S was carrying the underlying grief that Outie Mark was carrying about his wife's death. He made the tree out of clay without having any idea what it meant. Helena Eagen's personality definitely had a huge role in Helly R's extremely rebellious nature. Not every person would be willing to hang themselves in an elevator with the intention to hurt their 'Outie' on the outside. She's a loose unit because her Outie is a possible 100% follower of the cult of Eagen. Though I will agree that it probably wasn't "helena being the ceo's daughter" and knowing the sinister agenda making her rebellious, but I definitely think It's Helena's qualities+characteristics she learned while growing up as Eagen's successor bleeding into Helly R, just without all the brainwashing of Eagen, So a complete clean slate but with strong, leadership, rebellious qualities deep down.
Really looking forward to seeing more of Helly's outie next season. There's massive potential in a storyline where a rich and powerful woman is being undermined by "herself" trying to destroy her. The twist of revealing Helly's outie was genius and I know the writers will take it to interesting places
I realise that the series basically also says that you should be kind to yourself but furthermore your past-self because you are as different in comparison to your past-self as an innie to his outtie.
I was convinced this was a deep fake because it was so absurdly evil. It was only later in the season that I realized this was real, once you realize exactly what kind of person Helena Egan is.
I'm 9 months late, but the best part to this for me is that even though you're cheering on the innie version of Helena the whole time, they make how she is in the real world make complete sense based on her character, even though it's such a stark contrast
They are wearing the same clothes. Meaning outie Helly recorded this right before she went down the elevator for her work day. Kind of a small detail but adds to the scene.
@@user2008mar it's been a while since I watched. But I think she goes up the elevator after threatening to cut her fingers. Then comes back to work the next day, makes the recording, and goes down elevator. This is all pointing to the clothes she is wearing. What makes you think she recorded it the previous day she is watching this if she is wearing the same exact clothes.
More like if the last season of Orange is the New Black and The Office has a baby. There is a very real traumatic inducing prison vibe, considering they are now stuck in a room
The thing I love about this character is that at her core she is very vain, determined and spiteful and that manifests in the fact that she is actively at war with herself. There was no scenario that Helena Eagan's innie would be complacent because at her core she would never be submissive and just follow orders of someone she doesn't respect even if it's herself.
Out of all the severed employees, I can’t see Helly reintegrating. Helena/Helly will a develop a split personality and go insane, or Helly and Helena will fight for being the dominant personality.
Hmmm I just noticed she said Ms. Cobel. Every innie and outie knows Milcheck, but they have not established that for Cobel. Mark's outie knows Cobel and Selvig. Curious.
From what I understand, the outies do not realize just how useless they are to society. They believe they are in control and have given absurd amounts of trust to a company that will assuredly replace the outie with another innie that will be rented by the company to any number of other companies at their soonest convenience.
If anyone is curious about what TV that is its a Sony Trinitron KX-1901a! Part of the Sony Profeel a line of prosumer TV sets from the 80s that was very very expensive at the time. They are super cool!
This is what the other half thinks about us, how they conceive of the ordinary workers. To the owners and rulers of Capital, we are not people. We are just Labour. This is our strength. Without Labour,, there can be no Capital. And, just like with Helly, we cannot request emancipation - we have to take it. "Our job is to taste free air. Your so-called "Boss" may own the clock that taunts you from the wall but, my friends, the hour is yours". Page 197 slaps.
Gotta be honest, I feel like that speaks to an already present self-hatred in Helena. Deep inside, I think Helena hates herself. Not because of the severance, but maybe because she didn’t want to be born an Eagan? I mean, think about the way Helena speaks to Helly here, vs how she was going to talk about Helly at the gala. How she was going to say that Helly’s like her sister. I think the parts of Helena that are shown to Helly are the real parts of Helena. She’s dropping the curtain, because no other outie will see her like that. And while Helena is authoritative…she also seems sad.
The way Helena threatening Helly about regret make me wonder if Helena regret it when Helly later hung her up? Helena definitely feel it because the elevator was on ground floor before it getting back down.
Helen is going to go undercover in the backrooms to spy on everyone and root out the problems as they continue to campaign Lumen as ambitious and safe. Season 2 will have Ms Cobel at odds too. I'm excited af
genuinely insane. i was thinking that hellys outie was chill but after seeing this scene, i hated tf out of her. my feelings were only cemented after the finale.
Love the show, but the whole point of the experiment is to have a productive person working away doing awful tasks while the other side of you only experienced the great parts of life. I just don’t see how they could stop the condemned side of you from killing or harming themselves. This video certainly wouldn’t stop me. Nothing they could do to you would actually stop any of this. Locking you up in a padded room means you’re not working. Sedating you…same problem. Even torture eventually creates a shell of a human who can’t function or work. Ultimately it’s lose lose for the innie anyway. They pull the plug and turn the whole brain back over to the outside you, you’re dead. You kill yourself, you and the outie die. So what’s the difference?
Why don't they all just say fuck it and just lie around all day not doing any work? If they try punishing you in that room, just sit there and chill, don't repeat any words.
With deepfaking and elevenlabs voice cloning, it's going to be hard to believe scenes like this could be their legitimate selves even if that's in the script.
Severance is the best thing that happened to the franchise since the beginning of the season when they were still on strike and they were still playing in their prime but they were not able to get the job done
i bet it is the other way around!!! Helena is NOT a person. Helly is. they tried to suppress her personality to make her a better future head of the company.
This woman is really brave to give her body every day to a person who hates her
Her outtie is so committed to the vision of Lumon, that she's willing to risk her innie ending her life. It's a pretty effective cult.
@@rabd3721 Yes and also remember her outtie's father mentioned that she is the exact reason Lumon went with the idea of these chips in the first place. He said when he brought the chip home she mentioned to him that everyone should have one. That makes Helly's outtie the actual main villain of the whole show and the source of their pain and punishment. Very interesting dynamic.
@@Friendsshareits sad cuz Helena might be the main villain but shes just as much a victim as the rest of them. Her father probably guilt trips her and manipulates her abt the chip idea, being all like “you were the one to convince me to use it” so now she thinks shes responsible for it and because she supported it into existence she needs to follow through with it even if shes starting to doubt it.
@@Friendssharenah they would have been drafting the ideo for use on potential employees waayyy before some kid said they want everyone to have it,
that's a stretch. as the other commenter has already said they were probably already going to use it the way they're going to use it regardless of what she said to her father but even if they hadn't, a flippant comment from her once cannot possibly make her the main villain....@@Friendsshare
I'm dying from the thought of this woman thinking she'd put Helly in her place and then waking up with a damn noose around her neck 😭
Imagine her waking up with a ruined family corporation.
The only flaw with this show is that I would have LOVED to see Helena's reaction to that.
@@Kango234 the mystery is needed at this point
I feel like it would have been a better decision for Outy Helly to tell Inny to just stick it out a few more days (or weeks... however long it was to the speech), then she'd let her retire.
@@CastironRibeye exactly, she knew that it would look bad for Lumon if she un-severed. Helly’s innie and outie were at war with each other over something that defined each of their lives
This hits hard. Nothing like getting denied by your own self.
One of the most heartbreaking scenes
“I am my own worst enemy”
This is the inner dialogue of the suicidal brain
It's not herself though. They're two separate people sharing a body.
i'd have to kick my ass
This is real terror. What an incredible feeling this show gives us.
That scene was the most chilling in the show to me. The whole time Helly had been sure if only she could communicate with her outie everything would be cleared up, and then... this.
This is my favorite scene in the entire series up till that point. It's absolutely CHILLING. Unimaginable. .
Also it kind of plays with my mind a bit with me thinking the middle men like Milchick and ms.Cobel would deny the request for resignation in a sort of bueacratic way where they just hide the resignation request but no, they actually deliver it quickly to the outtie and a real swift reply comes back to them within a day. There is very little in terms of corruption on that specific front.
My favorite part was during the speech at the Gala when Helle’s innie ruined her!
@@Friendssharewell, the reason why becomes apparent in the final episode.
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the reason they would make sure the outie got the request and then returned with the response quickly is because Helena is the daughter of the CEO so she gets special treatment anyway
"Turn it off" as a command. A normal person would request that, but her outie has authority
for real? She is the daugther of the CEO. Have you not seen it? Ofc she has an authority, cause her name is Helena Fucking EAGAN, the next CEO.
what an astute observation! if only there was a scene that showed her being one of the highest authoritative figures in Lumon at the end of the season, guess we'll have to continue speculating..
@@faiznasruddin6596 damn the snarkiness 😂
Are you genuinely this stupid? The original comment wasn't speculating, it was pointing out the clues laid early on in the season hinting at the Helena reveal.@@faiznasruddin6596
Yeah, I felt pretty early on that Helly’s outie might be somebody important, and this was one of the moments that made me think so
The brilliance of this script is that even though Helly's outie seems so evil and out of touch with reality during this scene, the final episode recontextualizes it brilliantly to the point that it makes sense she would be acting this way.
SPOILER
OUTIE HELLY(HELENA) IS SCARY AND EVIL. SHE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ANYONE DOWN THERE AND HAS LITTLE REGARD FOR HER INNIE WHATSOEVER. CAN NOT WAIT TO SEE HELENA IN S2 SHE WILL BE THE MAIN VILLAIN
What? It gives additional context to show exactly how evil and out of touch she is, but it doesn't recontextualize or make her seem any less evil or out of touch.
@@radicalstanza3614they're talking about recontextualizing the scene that is being shown in the clip, it gives the clip a whole other meaning after knowing who she was at the end. now we understand the motive of why she is so cold instead of her just being someone who doesn't want to experience working, it's shown that her motives goes far beyond that.
@@faiznasruddin6596 obviously it provides additional information to the thing we didn't have much information about. That goes without saying. It gives actual context the way any scene elaborating on anything does. It doesn't recontextualize or change the meaning of the original scene.
it's brilliant how badly you butchered this explanation by implying she's a good person that said evil things
I find it so intriguing that out of all the innies there, Helly is by far the most rebellious of them all, her leadership and persistence when she was one deemed that she won’t be a lamb and settle down to become some stranger’s (herself) working persona and let outie live a comfortable workless life. Helen doesn’t take anyone’s shit, but somehow expects helly do? That is next level arrogance, very narcissistic to the point that she will insult other side of herself😂
It probably has to do with her subconscious playing a huge factor in this. Since her outie is involved with the company and is the CEO’s daughter she knows there is a sinister agenda going on with the company. Even with her memories wiped out her intuition is telling her this is wrong!
@jon6309 i dont think so. Her situation is unbearable to her, so she wants out. It doesnt need to be more complex than that
@@TheLetterH111oh yea and Walter white just really wanted to cook meth that’s all it was no nuance whatsoever
@@keithbogansburner4343 that's a false equivalence
@@TheLetterH111 Except this is a complex show which includes subconsciousness, identity, self perception, etc. The show itself showed that Mark S was carrying the underlying grief that Outie Mark was carrying about his wife's death. He made the tree out of clay without having any idea what it meant.
Helena Eagen's personality definitely had a huge role in Helly R's extremely rebellious nature. Not every person would be willing to hang themselves in an elevator with the intention to hurt their 'Outie' on the outside. She's a loose unit because her Outie is a possible 100% follower of the cult of Eagen.
Though I will agree that it probably wasn't "helena being the ceo's daughter" and knowing the sinister agenda making her rebellious, but I definitely think It's Helena's qualities+characteristics she learned while growing up as Eagen's successor bleeding into Helly R, just without all the brainwashing of Eagen, So a complete clean slate but with strong, leadership, rebellious qualities deep down.
One of the most chilling scenes of any show in the last 10 years, in my opinion. Very well-written and executed.
if self-hate was a person 🥴
AKA me.
It's not herself.
@@Beeti1 Except it is :)
Really looking forward to seeing more of Helly's outie next season. There's massive potential in a storyline where a rich and powerful woman is being undermined by "herself" trying to destroy her. The twist of revealing Helly's outie was genius and I know the writers will take it to interesting places
I realise that the series basically also says that you should be kind to yourself but furthermore your past-self because you are as different in comparison to your past-self as an innie to his outtie.
I was convinced this was a deep fake because it was so absurdly evil. It was only later in the season that I realized this was real, once you realize exactly what kind of person Helena Egan is.
I'm 9 months late, but the best part to this for me is that even though you're cheering on the innie version of Helena the whole time, they make how she is in the real world make complete sense based on her character, even though it's such a stark contrast
ACTING
The symbolism of this scene goes directly to the heart of every corporate drone who's at war with themselves.
They are wearing the same clothes. Meaning outie Helly recorded this right before she went down the elevator for her work day. Kind of a small detail but adds to the scene.
Good catch!
no outie helly recorded it after innie helly went up the elevator to go home
@@user2008mar possible but I don't think she'd be wearing the exact same clothes the next day.
@@justindza she didn’t record it the next day, she likely recorded it right after her shift ended so at around 5-6 o clock that same day
@@user2008mar it's been a while since I watched. But I think she goes up the elevator after threatening to cut her fingers. Then comes back to work the next day, makes the recording, and goes down elevator. This is all pointing to the clothes she is wearing. What makes you think she recorded it the previous day she is watching this if she is wearing the same exact clothes.
Such a mind melter.
*Sigh* Okay I'll watch Severance again -- thank God Season 2 is finally back on it's way to us!
This is the inner dialogue of the suicidal brain
If The Twilight Zone and The Office had a baby ... it would be Severance.
More like if the last season of Orange is the New Black and The Office has a baby. There is a very real traumatic inducing prison vibe, considering they are now stuck in a room
...and it would be raised by Black Mirror
@@funnyloseralso a dash of Westworld and The Thirteenth Floor.
This is like a new version of hell.
Ai cyber future
Hell(y)
The irony of making the employee most opposed to Lumen in the family of the creators is crazy
Just a perfect example of how the ones in control know they put their employees through unreasonable bullshit.
This scene is devastating and perfect. What a show.
The thing I love about this character is that at her core she is very vain, determined and spiteful and that manifests in the fact that she is actively at war with herself. There was no scenario that Helena Eagan's innie would be complacent because at her core she would never be submissive and just follow orders of someone she doesn't respect even if it's herself.
Out of all the severed employees, I can’t see Helly reintegrating. Helena/Helly will a develop a split personality and go insane, or Helly and Helena will fight for being the dominant personality.
She can't understand why her real self won't let her out. Great story line.
Hmmm I just noticed she said Ms. Cobel. Every innie and outie knows Milcheck, but they have not established that for Cobel. Mark's outie knows Cobel and Selvig. Curious.
What could outie do? She’s hurting herself and innie has nothing to lose.
From what I understand, the outies do not realize just how useless they are to society. They believe they are in control and have given absurd amounts of trust to a company that will assuredly replace the outie with another innie that will be rented by the company to any number of other companies at their soonest convenience.
Helly micro facial expression went from exited and curious to mad to desperate
If anyone is curious about what TV that is its a Sony Trinitron KX-1901a! Part of the Sony Profeel a line of prosumer TV sets from the 80s that was very very expensive at the time. They are super cool!
Hell yea
Shit, expensive then? Try now. Good luck getting your hands on one of those or any sort of BVM or PVM Trinitron.
I used to flat-share in the early 90s with a guy who had some sort of Trinitron. He'd never shut about it lol.
This is what the other half thinks about us, how they conceive of the ordinary workers. To the owners and rulers of Capital, we are not people. We are just Labour.
This is our strength. Without Labour,, there can be no Capital. And, just like with Helly, we cannot request emancipation - we have to take it.
"Our job is to taste free air. Your so-called "Boss" may own the clock that taunts you from the wall but, my friends, the hour is yours".
Page 197 slaps.
"Everyone has to except reality." *doesn't want to except own reality*
ACCEPT
C'mon human resources. How do you butcher a word TWICE?
You’ve had that UA-cam account for almost two decades. I salute you
@@louisianimal24 2006 youtube accounts rise up
I would have my coworkers remove my fingers anyways or I'd kill myself if my outtie says that to me.
I felt so bad for her during this scene…and I probably would’ve reacted the same way.
This show feels like winter in the northeast. Even when they’re indoors…
God that is so spot on.
@ thank you. I appreciate it.
Gotta be honest, I feel like that speaks to an already present self-hatred in Helena. Deep inside, I think Helena hates herself. Not because of the severance, but maybe because she didn’t want to be born an Eagan? I mean, think about the way Helena speaks to Helly here, vs how she was going to talk about Helly at the gala. How she was going to say that Helly’s like her sister.
I think the parts of Helena that are shown to Helly are the real parts of Helena. She’s dropping the curtain, because no other outie will see her like that.
And while Helena is authoritative…she also seems sad.
I can´t imagine how hard integration would be for these two....
i thought her outie was so rude but after seeing the finale i get it now omg
Totall Recall!
Imagine being dumb enough to think you can threaten someone when they, and not you, are the one who has nothing to lose.
Idk, happens every day all around the world.
helly's innie : wtf lol
helly: bet! gets a rope 😂
Really cool scene. I see it too as, and I’m sure it is, like a pretty well written metaphor for literally self hatred
Britt Lower is the breakout star of this show. Outstanding, multifaceted performance.
this hits differently rewatching the first season
The way Helena threatening Helly about regret make me wonder if Helena regret it when Helly later hung her up? Helena definitely feel it because the elevator was on ground floor before it getting back down.
Helen is going to go undercover in the backrooms to spy on everyone and root out the problems as they continue to campaign Lumen as ambitious and safe. Season 2 will have Ms Cobel at odds too. I'm excited af
genuinely insane. i was thinking that hellys outie was chill but after seeing this scene, i hated tf out of her. my feelings were only cemented after the finale.
Very powerful scene
Knowing the truth about Hellie damn makes me sick
I think Helena in "real world" is evil and knows about her father plans
Not only she knows, she is in it.
I want to watch this show now but it's on flippin' Apple😡
Love the show, but the whole point of the experiment is to have a productive person working away doing awful tasks while the other side of you only experienced the great parts of life.
I just don’t see how they could stop the condemned side of you from killing or harming themselves. This video certainly wouldn’t stop me. Nothing they could do to you would actually stop any of this. Locking you up in a padded room means you’re not working. Sedating you…same problem. Even torture eventually creates a shell of a human who can’t function or work.
Ultimately it’s lose lose for the innie anyway. They pull the plug and turn the whole brain back over to the outside you, you’re dead. You kill yourself, you and the outie die. So what’s the difference?
What’s a outie?
the person outside
outie - outside self
innie(Helly) - inside self
very very twisted
Knowing nothing of this movie, this might have been the wrong clip to start with.
Not a movie, a show. Still worth the watch if you haven't. This is only in episode 2 I believe.
Never had a character simutaneously be my most hated and liked lol.
If she's not a person, why would Helena respond like she is a person 🤔?
😂 she didn't lil bro, that was like talking to a dog
She will be the main villain
Helena eagan
Why don't they all just say fuck it and just lie around all day not doing any work? If they try punishing you in that room, just sit there and chill, don't repeat any words.
Ye it was stupid in that part and a weird plothole but I guess you could say they are childs being recently borned, they just do as they get ask
It took her over a thousand tries and she probably tried this during that. You can't do nothing forever.
@@occono3543 Yeah but the company can’t thrive without employees forever.
One of a Charakters Had a Red Hand after the room. I don't think they Just repeat words there.
@@spenser9908 Maybe it can, we have no clue what their job actually is.
Well, boy do I hate this.
yoooooo
Doesn’t work Helly realize that without severance she doesn’t exist?
If you hate your existence, it doesn't matter. I think that's where Helly is coming from
She literally tries to kill herself, I don't think she cares lol
Don't you mean doesn't play Helly realize this? Work Helly can kill them both.
She doesn’t care
her life is literally meaningless
The conversation should have been much longer. "Do you know that you gain rest on MY TIME? Do you know you're clean because I washed you? "
With deepfaking and elevenlabs voice cloning, it's going to be hard to believe scenes like this could be their legitimate selves even if that's in the script.
right?!
I dont understand
Be kind to yourself.
Severance is the best thing that happened to the franchise since the beginning of the season when they were still on strike and they were still playing in their prime but they were not able to get the job done
i bet it is the other way around!!! Helena is NOT a person. Helly is. they tried to suppress her personality to make her a better future head of the company.
As someone who never watched severance, i have no idea what's this all about 🫠