The books do show Legolas and Gimli as good friends before the fall of the ring. In the Fellowship of the Ring they are described as becoming "fast friends" in Lothlorien, in the Two Towers Legolas was willing to stand against Eomer's eored with Gimli and was so happy that Gimli survived at helm's deep that he wasn't even upset about losing the game, and Legolas refuses to go to Fangorn without Gimli and Gimli rode with Eomer to battle on the condition that Legolas rode with them and in the Return of the King the people of Minas Tirith marvel at the friendship between them as they go up to the citadel.
Perfect timing on this one. My daughter's 5th birthday party was yesterday. She wanted a 'Legolas' party so I painted up some minis as cake toppers and turned a t-rex pinata into a balrog. Having an lotr marathon today and this was a great bonus video for her. Thanks!
"Ai! Ai!" wailed Legolas. "A Balrog! A Balrog has come!" Whenever I think of the missing parts of Leggy's story that one line from the chapter where Gandalf dies tells me everything i need to know. He sensed the energy and knew enough of the ancient times to identify it even before Gandalf. Gives me shivers. It's a tie between him and Arwen for favorite elf just cause as a kid I saw her on screen and NEVER forgot it haha.
@@ThatMainframeDude The Silmarillion, The Unfinished Tales, The Hobbit and The LotR. The other books will give you extra info, but these 4 are the main stuff: the beggining of Time and creation, the First Age, Númenor and the Third Age.
It would be interesting if Legoslas had more of a back story but I do like that he is somewhat of an enigma in the books. It is also why Boba Fett was my favorite Star Wars character growing up.
I loved the LOTR movie Legolas and the book as well but he need a little bit of backstory but not like page after page after page but more like a bug summary of him but Legolas hair could be a gene thing from way back in elder days tbh with the blonde hair but that’s my opinion
Feanor asked Galadriel 3 times for a single hair of hers. She denied him. Good because Feanor is considered the most skilled Elf ever, but he was a total ass.
On the note of Legolas' slender appearance in most depictions - I'm not sure where the trope came that archers are small. Longbowmen in England were notoriously burly, strong men. You kind of have to be to draw a bow with 100-150 pounds draw weight.
Well met mellon! I hope all is well. I love Legolas Greenleaf. Book Legolas is way cooler than pirate elf Bloom. Book Legolas, sings and also shoots a damned Nazghûl outta the sky. Keep up the great work. ECTHELION!
Plus when it comes to bookLegolas personality, he is a bit more cheerful and more pronse to sarcastic quips and teasing others (there are shades of that in movies but only briefly) and another thing is how much more spoken lines he has and is given chance to show his elven wisdom, I like this what he says to Frodo: "`And perhaps that was the way of it,' said Frodo. `In that land, maybe, we were in a time that has elsewhere long gone by. It was not, I think, until Silverlode bore us back to Anduin that we returned to the time that flows through mortal lands to the Great Sea. And I don't remember any moon, either new or old, in Caras Galadhon: only stars by night and sun by day.' Legolas stirred in his boat. `Nay, time does not tarry ever,' he said; `but change and growth is not in all things and places alike. For the Elves the world moves, and it moves both very swift and very slow. Swift, because they themselves change little, and all else fleets by: it is a grief to them. Slow, because they do not count the running years, not for themselves. The passing seasons are but ripples ever repeated in the long long stream. Yet beneath the Sun all things must wear to an end at last.' `But the wearing is slow in Lórien,' said Frodo. `The power of the Lady is on it. Rich are the hours, though short they seem, in Caras Galadhon, where Galadriel wields the Elven-ring.'"
I really don't get Tolkien's point of being annoyed people thought of Legolas as '"ladylike", when in reality he was strong and fearless', like they're mutually exclusive? lol When you get down to it, his abilities aren't depicted as lesser in the movies. And aesthetically, Jackson established a lot of cultural themes for the elves for the sake of visual storytelling. Overall, he's unfortunately just kind of an underdeveloped character (for different reasons) in both medias. Mostly, I wish we'd gotten to see more of his personality in the movies.
To be fair Tolkien was born in a time where they were somewhat mutually exclusive for the most part and he was a Christian. They don't like women much.
The video about the importance of Galadriel's gift to Gimli would be great, but here's an idea for a theory video: could Gimli be a good Ring-bearer? First, at the Council of Elrond, as everyone else is arguing about destroying the Ring, Gimli tries to destroy it right there(at least in the movie, I don't remember the book), so Gimli is arguably the most eager to destroy the Ring from the very beginning. Next, the Dwarves were able to greatly resist the corruption of the 7 Dwarf rings connected to the One Ring in the Second Age, with the greatest effect of the rings being greatly increased greed, so could the resistance of the Dwarves be applied to resisting the One Ring itself?
Perhaps, but the Elves would never have put up with it. A Hobbit was a politically wise choice as well as having a good disposition. About all the ring could grab onto with Hobbits was their appreciation of finely-made things. Also, Dwarves seemed to have a certain amount of greed and pride that the ring could have preyed upon in an individual dwarf. "If you wielded me, you could retake Khazad-dum!" Remember how much crap Thorin Oakenshield put everyone through over the Arkenstone? All the Ring would have to do would be to plant the idea that everyone wanted him to destroy it because they couldn't stand to see a dwarf taken seriously and he would have been turned.
Book and movie Legolas did walk on top of the snow so gravity doesn't affect him the same way? Book Legolas could walk across a rope (bridge) not shown in movie
The problem with movie Legolas basically boils down to Peter Jackson having a huge man crush on him that got completely out of hand by the time Legolas was skiing down stairs on his shield in The Two Towers.
Yes, they very much overdid the superhuman effects of Legolas for all the films - most egregiously in The Hobbit with the walking on falling masonry like he was in a video game - but also to some extent in the LOTR films. I don't mind so much the weird flip onto Gimli's horse, firing more than one arrow at a time or even jumping on the troll's shoulders in Moria (although that was perhaps pushing it), but the surfing-on-shield-down stairs at Helm's Deep and surfing down a Mûmak trunks was going too far, lol. The amazing shot of the orc between the eyes in Moria was good enough to show his abilities, they could have had him lightly walking over snow in the Caradhras scene too whilst the others floundered (as that was mentioned in the book). I do like that PJ showed more of his hand-to-hand abilities in The Hobbit although I do think that bringing Legolas heavily into that tale was unnecessary and he looked a bit weird (trying to make a 36 year old actor look like the 22 year old he had been in LOTR, playing an ageless elf technically years before the LOTR story).
@@sweeperboy The Hobbit film and books are ment to be less serious and feel like a fun jorney, so i totaly dont mind Legolas unreal jumping and other. In Lotr the horse thing is supper anoyng but the other isnt espetialy if you read the Silmalirion or the fall of Gondoling, elfs are kiling balrogs 1v1 all over the place some more than one. Even if curent elfs arent that strong still killing a Mamukil whit style isnt imposible.
This drives me mad. I don't mind the very slightly pointed ears of PJ's films but some artwork uses really long pointed ears which almost look like they belong to animals. There's very little to no evidence for this in Tolkien's writings. Instead, we have it from the Professor that Mannish children and Elven children look quite similar when they are young, until the former start to grow faster physically. From Unfinished Tales of Numenor and Middle-earth: - In this way Sador would speak to Túrin as he grew older; and Túrin began to ask many questions that Sador found hard to answer, thinking that others nearer akin should have had the teaching. And one day Túrin said to him: “Was Lalaith indeed like an Elf-child, as my father said? And what did he mean, when he said that she was briefer?” “Very like,” said Sador; “for in their first youth the children of Men and Elves seem close akin. But the children of Men grow more swiftly, and their youth passes soon; such is our fate.” And from Morgoth's Ring: - The Eldar grew in bodily form slower than Men, but in mind more swiftly. They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for their wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies. Nonetheless there was less difference between the two Kindreds, Elves and Men, in early youth; and a man who watched elf-children at play might well have believed that they were the children of Men, of some fair and happy people. For in their early days elf-children delighted still in the world about them, and the fire of their spirit had not consumed them, and the burden of memory was still light upon them. This same watcher might indeed have wondered at the small limbs and stature of these children, judging their age by their skill in words and grace in motion. For at the end of the third year mortal children began to outstrip the Elves, hastening on to a full stature while the Elves lingered in the first spring of childhood. Children of Men might reach their full height while Eldar of the same age were still in the body like to mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some hundred years would pass before they were full-grown.
By the way, isn't it strange that Gandalf didn't initially realise Durin's bane was a balrog? ... considering how he kept his ear to the ground, and his 'too greedily and too deep' speech just a while before? I mean, he knew what a Balrog was, recognised it when he saw it... and how many options actually were there, which fitted the description of Durin's Bane ?
I'm not 100% sure but he may have known but was hoping that they would not wake it up or had a short list of what it could be. I also think he basically said what bad luck we have which may imply he knew it was there. He may have even convinced himself that it was not a Balrog. Even if he knew the risk was less since 1 it would not know Frodo had the ring, 2 it was not expecting them, 3 there was a good chance that it was resting and if they were careful then they would not wake it 4 even if they did encounter it Saruman would have been worse to encounter.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader Thanks for the reply. Interesting theories. While we're discussing, I often wonder about Aragorn's comment as they decide to take the path though Moria: ‘It is not of the Ring, nor of us others that I am thinking now, but of you, Gandalf. And I say to you: if you pass the doors of Moria, beware!’ I wonder what Aragorn foresaw that would be a particular threat to Gandalf.
Moria had many dark creatures in the deep, it would be like seeing a lion amongst wolves. Yes you want to run from the wolves...but you see a lion and I am SPRINTING.
5:08 The only Elves that had mistrust in dwarves were Sindarin elves, maybe the Silvan elves as well bc of their Sindarin rulers in Mirkwoord(Thranduil) and Lothlorien(Celeborn), but not the Noldor. Didn't the Noldor have a good or even great friendship with the dwarves of Moria?
Yes Noldor had a rather good relationship with the Dwarfes they were both worshipping Aule the god of smithing.Although the Noldor of the first age kindo of look down on the Dwarf and thought they were ugly but they respected there cunning
@@skaraturbo yeah there are also examples of specific friendships between Noldo Elf and a Dwarf, like Celebrimbor and Narvi, and we can say that also Maedhros would have some friendly relation towards the dwarf-lord Azaghal, considering that he saved the dwarf king's life and the grateful dwarf gave him in gift the Dragon-helm. "It was given by Azaghâl to Maedhros, as guerdon for the saving of his life and treasure, when Azaghâl was waylaid by Orcs upon the Dwarf-road in East Beleriand" ... "…Celebrimbor had “an almost ‘dwarvish’ obsession with crafts”; and he soon became the chief artificer of Eregion, entering into a close relationship with the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm, among whom his greatest friend was Narvi…." This episode no doubt aided in forging the great alliance, the Union of Maedhros. Caranthir's folk were the only ones to. Finrod Felagund also seemed to have great respect of the Dwarves: HoMe 12; The Dwarvish origin of the name Felagund Felagund: Dwarvish NG-EX-04.3{v}[verb] felek hew rock, felak a tool like a broad-bladed chisel, or small axe-head without haft, for cutting stone; to use this tool. {v}[verb] gunud equivalent of Eldarin s-rot NG-EX-04.4{[Footnote to the text: [Elsewhere in these notes. For the stem rot, s-rot is given the meaning 'delve underground, excavate, tunnel', whence Quenya hrota 'dwelling underground, artificial cave or rockhewn hall', rotto 'a small grot or tunnel'.{]} gundu underground hall. felakgundu, felaggundu 'cave-hewer'. This name was given because of Finrod's skill in lighter stone-carving. He cut many of the adornments of the pillars and walls in Nargothrond. Curufin one of the sons of Feanor seems to have close relation with the Dwarves too ("Curufin was most interested in the alien language of the Dwarves..."), only Caranthir and his folk seemed to have been a bit more haughty towards the Dwarves and looked down on their appearance, yet still profited from the relations with the Dwarves: "No great love was there between them; for the Dwarves were secret and quick to resentment, and Caranthir was haughty and scarce concealed his scorn for the unloveliness of the Naugrim, and his people followed their lord. Nevertheless since both peoples feared and hated Morgoth they made alliance, and had of it great profit; for the Naugrim learned many secrets of craft in those days, so that the smiths and masons of Nogrod and Belegost became renowned among their kin, and when the Dwarves began again to journey into Beleriand all the traffic of the dwarf-mines passed first through the hands of Caranthir, and thus great riches came to him."
@@TheBrokenSword I don't know why they didn't just make sure Legolas had sufficient arrows, put him up front and stay behind him. Gandalf: I have I idea and it just might work Legolas: I got this guys. Legolas wins. FLAWLESS VICTORY 😊😂
Is there anyway you could do a history of Huan, Hound of Valinor? He's an interesting creature I don't know much about. He's one of Orome's hunting hounds gifted to the elves . The only other, I guess, pet of the Valar I can think of that play a part in Middle Earth history really are the great eagles of Manwe. I know he was there for the flight from Aman and played a big part in Beren and Luthien's stories.
I think fair refers more to skin color than hair, well, it didn't say fair hair, I took it to mean he would get a sunburn easily, LOL. Make sense, spending most of his time in the woods. Loved the way that Gimli and Legolas became fast friends though the speed at which that occurred between the movie and the book I don't recall. I haven't read the books in years but I do intend to remedy that situation!
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
There was something I never really understood. I always thought that Legolas was able to go to the undying lands after the time he spent in Middle Earth traveling with Gimli. Maybe I’m wrong about it but, if he did, why couldn’t Arwen go after the death of Aragorn?
Arwen gave up her immortality to be mortal in order to stay with Aragorn. Because of this, she is now considered of the race of men and not elves, so she cannot go to Valinor. Only elves, the ring bearers, and Gimli are allowed there. Though the ring bearers which were mortals and Gimli would have died faster because time runs differently there. For Arwen choosing, she was a half elf and Elrond's family from his father and mother and down the line were given the choice to either be counted among elves or among men. Once they choose, they can't change their decision. It becomes permanent.
@@ellerj641 Thx. I did know she was 1/2 human. I didn’t realize that staying with Aragorn affected her that way. I appreciate it! It has been decades since I read the books.
WAY back in the day there was an elf named Feanor. The most "beautiful", most athletic, most knowledgeable in lore, and the most skilled craftsman. His fea (soul) was so powerful that his mother died giving birth to him, and when HE died his fea was so hot and powerful it consumed his body. He was THE elf among elves, the greatest of the children of Iluvatar (the "one god" of Tolkien's universe). However he was a flawed character with a bit of ego and much hubris. He asked Galadriel three separate times for a strand of her hair to use in his crafting and Galadriel, sensing the bit of shadow in Feanor, denied him his request all three times. However when Gimbli asked for a single strand of her hair to set within imperishable stone as a heirloom of his house marking a friendship lasting forever. Galadriel could sense the purity of his heart and the genuine love in the request. Therefore she gave him THREE strands of her hair. She denied Feanor in all three of his requests, but gave Gimbli three in his single request. It was truly a very big deal, and utterly stunned all the elves present because they knew the history of Feanor. Gimbli's heartfelt request and Galadriel's response went a long way towards healing the rift between dwarves and elves. Please you need to read the Silmarillion. It is a hard read, much like a cross between the Bible and a history book, however just learning about Feanor will teach you a LOT about why a lot of bad things happened the way they did in Middle Earth.
I apologize for posting this here but I was wondering if anyone wanted to extend the talk about Lord of the Rings on any and all topics. I want to go through the books and talk about them with others and I would even love to dive into the Silmarillion. Love the Vid.
It is also said that a lot of the Teleri had silver hair. Sindar are of the Teleri race. Also, Galadriel has blonde hair, and while she is technically a Noldar of the house of Feanor, her mother was a Teleri.
But don't forget that Galadriel was not just a Noldo, she was the daughter of Finarfin whose House all had golden hair due to his Vanyarin mother, Indis. So she had two reasons to have light coloured hair.
Toxic masculinity getting mad about a man being pretty, meanwhile Zhou Yu in ancient China was supposedly prettier than woman and was a massive badass. It's almost as if looks don't matter for physical prowess. (also let's not forget it gets into misogyinstic territory...)
Mystery is a good thing in storytelling. People want to know too much these days, too many prequels, sequels and godknowswhatels, mystery gives space to reader to think, to imagine, to put his own fantasies, if you spell everything out it becomes boring. Adding Legolas in Hobbit movies didn't bring anything new, important or exciting to the table, he should've been left out, now his scenes are laughable and a mockery of a good character.
I think legolas is a bit of an entitled ass, or at least in danger of being so, with Gimli, untill there time in Lothlorien, Gimli being the more "grown up" of the 2, I don't feel that come across in the film, where poor Gimli is the fool and comic relief more.
@@ladyalaina42 I did say a bit, or at least in danger of being, but spacificly I am referig to how he behaves to Gimli when they reach Lothlorien. Considering he is the offended party, Gimli deals with the situation diplomatically and with a joak, in the end, Legolas does not deal with the situation so well. Don't get me wrong, I like the character, the more for not being this shiny, all powerful, overflowing wisdom, mighty elf, he starts with some room to grow, and he does.
Toons of important book’s characters removed in the movie to give more importance to others.., why glorfindel, Tom bombadil, goldberry.., out in the movie?
there is no any clue about her in Appendix parts and Silmarillion, but idk if it exists in history of middle earth or other sources or not. I haven't had the book yet haha
@@TheBrokenSword Maybe do a video on "Enigmatic wives" (change the title to something better obviously) and include Thranduil's wife too. There are plenty of less well known female characters in the Legendarium, and while there is perhaps not enough material to make a whole video about Thrandruil's wife, you could bulk it up by including others too. The likes of Celebrian (Elrond's wife) for instance, Gilraen (mother to Aragorn), Finduilas of Dol Amroth (wife of Denethor and mother to Boromir & Faramir)...you could go way back in time and look at Miriel Serinde and Indis (the wives of Finwe).
Amazing channel, nice video ;) but stop making fun of Legolas gravity-defying moments in Hobit :D If we accept that L can walk on snow while attempting to pass Caradhras, we must accept the "falling bridge jumps and bat flight" as well - it seems that he just do not weigh anything (or IMHO can turn on or off the weight as he wills it).
I'm not sure where you get this notion that Legolas and Gimli didn't quickly become besties in the books. As far as Legolas being perceived as girly, Tolkien has no one but himself to blame. I don't recall anyone considering that Legolas should; be a snow plow, haul hobbits around, carry boats up a hill etc. Frankly, I think Tolkien had a bit of the same Legolas fetish that Jackson did and just managed to restrain himself a bit more.
So many people are outraged by Legolas's relationship with Tauriel. But I thought it was a beautiful storyline that increased the wonder of our dear girly Legolas. I think that, even though it steals away my own fantasy relationship with Legolas who - if there were any justice in Middle Earth - would have been gay. 😉
Yeah regarding the friendship between them, in book they become quite close, and have many great moments, especially their deal that after the war they both will take each other to admire the places they want, Legolas wanted to take Gimli on the trip across Fangorn, while Gimli took him to see the Aglarond the Glittering Caves, and this moment when Gimli is concerned about the Legolas sea-longing setting in: "‘Look!’ he cried. ‘Gulls! They are flying far inland. A wonder they are to me and a trouble to my heart. Never in all my life had I met them, until we came to Pelargir, and there I heard them crying in the air as we rode to the battle of the ships. Then I stood still, forgetting war in Middle-earth; for their wailing voices spoke to me of the Sea. The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.’ ‘Say not so!’ said Gimli. ‘There are countless things still to see in Middle-earth, and great works to do. But if all the fair folk take to the Havens, it will be a duller world for those who are doomed to stay.’"
Elvish has an E sound. You keep saying an A sound. Alvish? Alvin... ALVIN!!! 😂🤣😂🤦♀️ ok enough of this bullshittery. I cant listen to any more about the Alves. Im done.
Ok lets be Honest, we probably all know why the three hair given to Gimli were so important, but we really want to see that video :)
Feanor is totally jealous
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@@alanmike6883 Julie Anette Nilsen
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@@DigimontamerB Julie Anette Nilsen
The books do show Legolas and Gimli as good friends before the fall of the ring. In the Fellowship of the Ring they are described as becoming "fast friends" in Lothlorien, in the Two Towers Legolas was willing to stand against Eomer's eored with Gimli and was so happy that Gimli survived at helm's deep that he wasn't even upset about losing the game, and Legolas refuses to go to Fangorn without Gimli and Gimli rode with Eomer to battle on the condition that Legolas rode with them and in the Return of the King the people of Minas Tirith marvel at the friendship between them as they go up to the citadel.
Perfect timing on this one. My daughter's 5th birthday party was yesterday. She wanted a 'Legolas' party so I painted up some minis as cake toppers and turned a t-rex pinata into a balrog. Having an lotr marathon today and this was a great bonus video for her. Thanks!
Good shiii man. You get dad of the month haha.
A 5 year old sitting through LOTR? Lmao
If i had a child, id raise them to be like this
"Ai! Ai!" wailed Legolas. "A Balrog! A Balrog has come!" Whenever I think of the missing parts of Leggy's story that one line from the chapter where Gandalf dies tells me everything i need to know. He sensed the energy and knew enough of the ancient times to identify it even before Gandalf. Gives me shivers. It's a tie between him and Arwen for favorite elf just cause as a kid I saw her on screen and NEVER forgot it haha.
I read the Silmarillion before LotR, so when Legolas says "Balrog of Morgoth" it was a real "wow" moment.
I wish there was a definitive, Middle Earth chronological reading order. I have looked around before, but could never find one.
@@ThatMainframeDude The Silmarillion, The Unfinished Tales, The Hobbit and The LotR. The other books will give you extra info, but these 4 are the main stuff: the beggining of Time and creation, the First Age, Númenor and the Third Age.
It would be interesting if Legoslas had more of a back story but I do like that he is somewhat of an enigma in the books. It is also why Boba Fett was my favorite Star Wars character growing up.
Too bad he sucks in his show
@@JoshuaKevinPerry Yes, I had high hopes for it but that was wishful thinking.
I’ve always loved Legolas. I did a lot of archery when I was a kid and I’d always pretend I was him when shooting.
"This is no mere Ranger. He is Aragorn, son of Arathorn. You owe him your allegiance."
Yes to fleshed out back story on Legolas and Glorfindel as well.
Yes, a video about Gimli's gift would be very much appreciated 💯
I loved the LOTR movie Legolas and the book as well but he need a little bit of backstory but not like page after page after page but more like a bug summary of him but Legolas hair could be a gene thing from way back in elder days tbh with the blonde hair but that’s my opinion
Please tell us about Galadriel and her gift to Gimli! Thanks for the video!
Feanor asked Galadriel 3 times for a single hair of hers. She denied him. Good because Feanor is considered the most skilled Elf ever, but he was a total ass.
Gimli asks for a single hair. Then Will Smith walks up to the dwarf and .....
I laughed way too hard at that 😄
Will we be seeing Tauriel differences between book and film? Good practice for The Rings of Power 😂
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It was written that tauriel was black and transgender in the book stated by Amazon. Lmao
man, I love those Legolas scenes in The Hobbit movies, so fun
On the note of Legolas' slender appearance in most depictions - I'm not sure where the trope came that archers are small. Longbowmen in England were notoriously burly, strong men. You kind of have to be to draw a bow with 100-150 pounds draw weight.
slender guys look faster, and strength is easy to develop in any body
it's always nice to reach the end of the video with you...
Well met mellon! I hope all is well. I love Legolas Greenleaf. Book Legolas is way cooler than pirate elf Bloom. Book Legolas, sings and also shoots a damned Nazghûl outta the sky. Keep up the great work.
ECTHELION!
Plus when it comes to bookLegolas personality, he is a bit more cheerful and more pronse to sarcastic quips and teasing others (there are shades of that in movies but only briefly) and another thing is how much more spoken lines he has and is given chance to show his elven wisdom, I like this what he says to Frodo:
"`And perhaps that was the way of it,' said Frodo. `In that land, maybe, we were in a time that has elsewhere long gone by. It was not, I think, until Silverlode bore us back to Anduin that we returned to the time that flows through mortal lands to the Great Sea. And I don't remember any moon, either new or old, in Caras Galadhon: only stars by night and sun by day.'
Legolas stirred in his boat. `Nay, time does not tarry ever,' he said; `but change and growth is not in all things and places alike. For the Elves the world moves, and it moves both very swift and very slow. Swift, because they themselves change little, and all else fleets by: it is a grief to them. Slow, because they do not count the running years, not for themselves. The passing seasons are but ripples ever repeated in the long long stream. Yet beneath the Sun all things must wear to an end at last.'
`But the wearing is slow in Lórien,' said Frodo. `The power of the Lady is on it. Rich are the hours, though short they seem, in Caras Galadhon, where Galadriel wields the Elven-ring.'"
I really don't get Tolkien's point of being annoyed people thought of Legolas as '"ladylike", when in reality he was strong and fearless', like they're mutually exclusive? lol
When you get down to it, his abilities aren't depicted as lesser in the movies. And aesthetically, Jackson established a lot of cultural themes for the elves for the sake of visual storytelling. Overall, he's unfortunately just kind of an underdeveloped character (for different reasons) in both medias. Mostly, I wish we'd gotten to see more of his personality in the movies.
To be fair Tolkien was born in a time where they were somewhat mutually exclusive for the most part and he was a Christian. They don't like women much.
@@CorrectionUnknown very true hahaha
5:46 would love a refresher
The video about the importance of Galadriel's gift to Gimli would be great, but here's an idea for a theory video: could Gimli be a good Ring-bearer? First, at the Council of Elrond, as everyone else is arguing about destroying the Ring, Gimli tries to destroy it right there(at least in the movie, I don't remember the book), so Gimli is arguably the most eager to destroy the Ring from the very beginning. Next, the Dwarves were able to greatly resist the corruption of the 7 Dwarf rings connected to the One Ring in the Second Age, with the greatest effect of the rings being greatly increased greed, so could the resistance of the Dwarves be applied to resisting the One Ring itself?
Perhaps, but the Elves would never have put up with it. A Hobbit was a politically wise choice as well as having a good disposition. About all the ring could grab onto with Hobbits was their appreciation of finely-made things. Also, Dwarves seemed to have a certain amount of greed and pride that the ring could have preyed upon in an individual dwarf. "If you wielded me, you could retake Khazad-dum!" Remember how much crap Thorin Oakenshield put everyone through over the Arkenstone? All the Ring would have to do would be to plant the idea that everyone wanted him to destroy it because they couldn't stand to see a dwarf taken seriously and he would have been turned.
Book and movie Legolas did walk on top of the snow so gravity doesn't affect him the same way? Book Legolas could walk across a rope (bridge) not shown in movie
Please do a video about her hair
The problem with movie Legolas basically boils down to Peter Jackson having a huge man crush on him that got completely out of hand by the time Legolas was skiing down stairs on his shield in The Two Towers.
Yes, they very much overdid the superhuman effects of Legolas for all the films - most egregiously in The Hobbit with the walking on falling masonry like he was in a video game - but also to some extent in the LOTR films. I don't mind so much the weird flip onto Gimli's horse, firing more than one arrow at a time or even jumping on the troll's shoulders in Moria (although that was perhaps pushing it), but the surfing-on-shield-down stairs at Helm's Deep and surfing down a Mûmak trunks was going too far, lol.
The amazing shot of the orc between the eyes in Moria was good enough to show his abilities, they could have had him lightly walking over snow in the Caradhras scene too whilst the others floundered (as that was mentioned in the book). I do like that PJ showed more of his hand-to-hand abilities in The Hobbit although I do think that bringing Legolas heavily into that tale was unnecessary and he looked a bit weird (trying to make a 36 year old actor look like the 22 year old he had been in LOTR, playing an ageless elf technically years before the LOTR story).
@@sweeperboy The Hobbit film and books are ment to be less serious and feel like a fun jorney, so i totaly dont mind Legolas unreal jumping and other. In Lotr the horse thing is supper anoyng but the other isnt espetialy if you read the Silmalirion or the fall of Gondoling, elfs are kiling balrogs 1v1 all over the place some more than one. Even if curent elfs arent that strong still killing a Mamukil whit style isnt imposible.
"A balrog of Morgoth." - Legolas
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awesome vid James loved mate
Tbh my favorite elvin prince isn't legolas for me its glorfindel. Otherwise he was a good character. Great video man!
Why in all the art work, and certainly the movies, are the elves portrayed with pointed ears? Where is that description given in LOTR?
This drives me mad. I don't mind the very slightly pointed ears of PJ's films but some artwork uses really long pointed ears which almost look like they belong to animals. There's very little to no evidence for this in Tolkien's writings. Instead, we have it from the Professor that Mannish children and Elven children look quite similar when they are young, until the former start to grow faster physically.
From Unfinished Tales of Numenor and Middle-earth: -
In this way Sador would speak to Túrin as he grew older; and Túrin began to ask many questions that Sador found hard to answer, thinking that others nearer akin should have had the teaching. And one day Túrin said to him: “Was Lalaith indeed like an Elf-child, as my father said? And what did he mean, when he said that she was briefer?”
“Very like,” said Sador; “for in their first youth the children of Men and Elves seem close akin. But the children of Men grow more swiftly, and their youth passes soon; such is our fate.”
And from Morgoth's Ring: -
The Eldar grew in bodily form slower than Men, but in mind more swiftly. They learned to speak before they were one year old; and in the same time they learned to walk and to dance, for their wills came soon to the mastery of their bodies. Nonetheless there was less difference between the two Kindreds, Elves and Men, in early youth; and a man who watched elf-children at play might well have believed that they were the children of Men, of some fair and happy people. For in their early days elf-children delighted still in the world about them, and the fire of their spirit had not consumed them, and the burden of memory was still light upon them.
This same watcher might indeed have wondered at the small limbs and stature of these children, judging their age by their skill in words and grace in motion. For at the end of the third year mortal children began to outstrip the Elves, hastening on to a full stature while the Elves lingered in the first spring of childhood. Children of Men might reach their full height while Eldar of the same age were still in the body like to mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some hundred years would pass before they were full-grown.
I agree with many on this thread. Most of us know how significant those 3 hairs were but we’d like a video on it just the same😁 .
By the way, isn't it strange that Gandalf didn't initially realise Durin's bane was a balrog? ... considering how he kept his ear to the ground, and his 'too greedily and too deep' speech just a while before? I mean, he knew what a Balrog was, recognised it when he saw it... and how many options actually were there, which fitted the description of Durin's Bane ?
I'm not 100% sure but he may have known but was hoping that they would not wake it up or had a short list of what it could be. I also think he basically said what bad luck we have which may imply he knew it was there. He may have even convinced himself that it was not a Balrog. Even if he knew the risk was less since 1 it would not know Frodo had the ring, 2 it was not expecting them, 3 there was a good chance that it was resting and if they were careful then they would not wake it 4 even if they did encounter it Saruman would have been worse to encounter.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader Thanks for the reply. Interesting theories. While we're discussing, I often wonder about Aragorn's comment as they decide to take the path though Moria: ‘It is not of the Ring, nor of us others that I am thinking now, but of you, Gandalf. And I say to you: if you pass the doors of Moria, beware!’ I wonder what Aragorn foresaw that would be a particular threat to Gandalf.
Moria had many dark creatures in the deep, it would be like seeing a lion amongst wolves.
Yes you want to run from the wolves...but you see a lion and I am SPRINTING.
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Glad to see you guys get a sponsor :)
I do wish they had more on Legolas’s past
Well done video 🤙
5:08 The only Elves that had mistrust in dwarves were Sindarin elves, maybe the Silvan elves as well bc of their Sindarin rulers in Mirkwoord(Thranduil) and Lothlorien(Celeborn), but not the Noldor. Didn't the Noldor have a good or even great friendship with the dwarves of Moria?
Yes Noldor had a rather good relationship with the Dwarfes they were both worshipping Aule the god of smithing.Although the Noldor of the first age kindo of look down on the Dwarf and thought they were ugly but they respected there cunning
@@skaraturbo yeah there are also examples of specific friendships between Noldo Elf and a Dwarf, like Celebrimbor and Narvi, and we can say that also Maedhros would have some friendly relation towards the dwarf-lord Azaghal, considering that he saved the dwarf king's life and the grateful dwarf gave him in gift the Dragon-helm.
"It was given by Azaghâl to Maedhros, as guerdon for the saving of his life and treasure, when Azaghâl was waylaid by Orcs upon the Dwarf-road in East Beleriand"
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"…Celebrimbor had “an almost ‘dwarvish’ obsession with crafts”; and he soon became the chief artificer of Eregion, entering into a close relationship with the Dwarves of Khazad-dûm, among whom his greatest friend was Narvi…."
This episode no doubt aided in forging the great alliance, the Union of Maedhros. Caranthir's folk were the only ones to. Finrod Felagund also seemed to have great respect of the Dwarves:
HoMe 12; The Dwarvish origin of the name Felagund Felagund: Dwarvish NG-EX-04.3{v}[verb] felek hew rock, felak a tool like a broad-bladed chisel, or small axe-head without haft, for cutting stone; to use this tool. {v}[verb] gunud equivalent of Eldarin s-rot NG-EX-04.4{[Footnote to the text: [Elsewhere in these notes. For the stem rot, s-rot is given the meaning 'delve underground, excavate, tunnel', whence Quenya hrota 'dwelling underground, artificial cave or rockhewn hall', rotto 'a small grot or tunnel'.{]} gundu underground hall. felakgundu, felaggundu 'cave-hewer'. This name was given because of Finrod's skill in lighter stone-carving. He cut many of the adornments of the pillars and walls in Nargothrond.
Curufin one of the sons of Feanor seems to have close relation with the Dwarves too ("Curufin was most interested in the alien language of the Dwarves..."), only Caranthir and his folk seemed to have been a bit more haughty towards the Dwarves and looked down on their appearance, yet still profited from the relations with the Dwarves:
"No great love was there between them; for the Dwarves were secret and quick to resentment, and Caranthir was haughty and scarce concealed his scorn for the unloveliness of the Naugrim, and his people followed their lord. Nevertheless since both peoples feared and hated Morgoth they made alliance, and had of it great profit; for the Naugrim learned many secrets of craft in those days, so that the smiths and masons of Nogrod and Belegost became renowned among their kin, and when the Dwarves began again to journey into Beleriand all the traffic of the dwarf-mines passed first through the hands of Caranthir, and thus great riches came to him."
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Legolas is like that question. What if Rambo was a elf in middle earth with almost time lord infinite arrows 😁😂👍
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I don't know why they didn't just make sure Legolas had sufficient arrows, put him up front and stay behind him.
Gandalf: I have I idea and it just might work
Legolas: I got this guys.
Legolas wins. FLAWLESS VICTORY
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I want the hair video lol
Is there anyway you could do a history of Huan, Hound of Valinor? He's an interesting creature I don't know much about. He's one of Orome's hunting hounds gifted to the elves . The only other, I guess, pet of the Valar I can think of that play a part in Middle Earth history really are the great eagles of Manwe. I know he was there for the flight from Aman and played a big part in Beren and Luthien's stories.
I would have like to have more of the backstory of Legolas. Was he a reembodyment just as Glorfindal was?
A more famous and/or powerful elf would have drawn too much attention to the fellowship.
I think fair refers more to skin color than hair, well, it didn't say fair hair, I took it to mean he would get a sunburn easily, LOL. Make sense, spending most of his time in the woods. Loved the way that Gimli and Legolas became fast friends though the speed at which that occurred between the movie and the book I don't recall. I haven't read the books in years but I do intend to remedy that situation!
Information about his mother would be nice
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Always wondered about galadrielle's gift...
There was something I never really understood. I always thought that Legolas was able to go to the undying lands after the time he spent in Middle Earth traveling with Gimli. Maybe I’m wrong about it but, if he did, why couldn’t Arwen go after the death of Aragorn?
Arwen gave up her immortality to be mortal in order to stay with Aragorn. Because of this, she is now considered of the race of men and not elves, so she cannot go to Valinor. Only elves, the ring bearers, and Gimli are allowed there. Though the ring bearers which were mortals and Gimli would have died faster because time runs differently there. For Arwen choosing, she was a half elf and Elrond's family from his father and mother and down the line were given the choice to either be counted among elves or among men. Once they choose, they can't change their decision. It becomes permanent.
@@ellerj641 Thx. I did know she was 1/2 human. I didn’t realize that staying with Aragorn affected her that way. I appreciate it! It has been decades since I read the books.
Because she chose to be mortal, he did not.
Maybe video about Celeborn next time?
Orlando bloom is perfect legolas.
I might be behind the times, but I would love to see a video on why Galadriel’s gift to Gimli was so important/impressive.
WAY back in the day there was an elf named Feanor. The most "beautiful", most athletic, most knowledgeable in lore, and the most skilled craftsman. His fea (soul) was so powerful that his mother died giving birth to him, and when HE died his fea was so hot and powerful it consumed his body. He was THE elf among elves, the greatest of the children of Iluvatar (the "one god" of Tolkien's universe).
However he was a flawed character with a bit of ego and much hubris. He asked Galadriel three separate times for a strand of her hair to use in his crafting and Galadriel, sensing the bit of shadow in Feanor, denied him his request all three times.
However when Gimbli asked for a single strand of her hair to set within imperishable stone as a heirloom of his house marking a friendship lasting forever. Galadriel could sense the purity of his heart and the genuine love in the request. Therefore she gave him THREE strands of her hair.
She denied Feanor in all three of his requests, but gave Gimbli three in his single request. It was truly a very big deal, and utterly stunned all the elves present because they knew the history of Feanor. Gimbli's heartfelt request and Galadriel's response went a long way towards healing the rift between dwarves and elves.
Please you need to read the Silmarillion. It is a hard read, much like a cross between the Bible and a history book, however just learning about Feanor will teach you a LOT about why a lot of bad things happened the way they did in Middle Earth.
@@kimpurcell8851 I hated Feanor the minute he drew a sword on Fingolfin. Fingolfin would have shredded him if he was not so cool!!!
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I apologize for posting this here but I was wondering if anyone wanted to extend the talk about Lord of the Rings on any and all topics. I want to go through the books and talk about them with others and I would even love to dive into the Silmarillion. Love the Vid.
Legolas vs Drizzt do’urden
Nothing will ever be more surreal than seeing "Hey guys I also have a power rangers channel" on a lord of the rings video.
It is also said that a lot of the Teleri had silver hair. Sindar are of the Teleri race. Also, Galadriel has blonde hair, and while she is technically a Noldar of the house of Feanor, her mother was a Teleri.
But don't forget that Galadriel was not just a Noldo, she was the daughter of Finarfin whose House all had golden hair due to his Vanyarin mother, Indis. So she had two reasons to have light coloured hair.
Legolas’s and gimli sailing into the undying lands ❤️
Bromance of middle earth
One of the greatest of friendships!
@@setro5582 Queue up sexy sultry saxophone music
Bromance pair number two or three if you count frodo and Sam, pippin and merry...
@@alanmike6883 Two partners? Thats not bad for a pointy-eared elvish princeling. I myself am sitting pretty at THREEEEE partners.
shall I describe it to you...or just bring you a box....
a better backstory would be nice, though not necessarily from the LOTR books.
Toxic masculinity getting mad about a man being pretty, meanwhile Zhou Yu in ancient China was supposedly prettier than woman and was a massive badass. It's almost as if looks don't matter for physical prowess. (also let's not forget it gets into misogyinstic territory...)
Mûmakil is the plural of oliphaunts. Singular is a Mûmak.
And Gloin is pronounced Gloy-n, NOT Glow-in.
Mystery is a good thing in storytelling. People want to know too much these days, too many prequels, sequels and godknowswhatels, mystery gives space to reader to think, to imagine, to put his own fantasies, if you spell everything out it becomes boring. Adding Legolas in Hobbit movies didn't bring anything new, important or exciting to the table, he should've been left out, now his scenes are laughable and a mockery of a good character.
I think legolas is a bit of an entitled ass, or at least in danger of being so, with Gimli, untill there time in Lothlorien, Gimli being the more "grown up" of the 2, I don't feel that come across in the film, where poor Gimli is the fool and comic relief more.
Considering he deferred to Aragorn how is he an entitled ass? Because in the movie we all fell in love with the character??? Bologna!!
@@ladyalaina42 I did say a bit, or at least in danger of being, but spacificly I am referig to how he behaves to Gimli when they reach Lothlorien. Considering he is the offended party, Gimli deals with the situation diplomatically and with a joak, in the end, Legolas does not deal with the situation so well. Don't get me wrong, I like the character, the more for not being this shiny, all powerful, overflowing wisdom, mighty elf, he starts with some room to grow, and he does.
Toons of important book’s characters removed in the movie to give more importance to others.., why glorfindel, Tom bombadil, goldberry.., out in the movie?
And why radagast so important in the hobbit if almost non mentioned in the lord of the rings and the hobbit?
yes! Gimli movie!!
You have my bow!
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Would love to know why the three hairs are important
Is there a reason you pronounce elves as alves?
first and can you please make a video about Thranduil's wife
Sadly there is so little on it, but we will do the best that we can 😁
@@TheBrokenSword ok thanks
there is no any clue about her in Appendix parts and Silmarillion, but idk if it exists in history of middle earth or other sources or not. I haven't had the book yet haha
@@TheBrokenSword Maybe do a video on "Enigmatic wives" (change the title to something better obviously) and include Thranduil's wife too. There are plenty of less well known female characters in the Legendarium, and while there is perhaps not enough material to make a whole video about Thrandruil's wife, you could bulk it up by including others too.
The likes of Celebrian (Elrond's wife) for instance, Gilraen (mother to Aragorn), Finduilas of Dol Amroth (wife of Denethor and mother to Boromir & Faramir)...you could go way back in time and look at Miriel Serinde and Indis (the wives of Finwe).
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We are all drawn to the stranger people in life 😂
I thought there were 2 new videos? Delete one?
Amazing channel, nice video ;) but stop making fun of Legolas gravity-defying moments in Hobit :D If we accept that L can walk on snow while attempting to pass Caradhras, we must accept the "falling bridge jumps and bat flight" as well - it seems that he just do not weigh anything (or IMHO can turn on or off the weight as he wills it).
I'm not sure where you get this notion that Legolas and Gimli didn't quickly become besties in the books.
As far as Legolas being perceived as girly, Tolkien has no one but himself to blame. I don't recall anyone considering that Legolas should; be a snow plow, haul hobbits around, carry boats up a hill etc. Frankly, I think Tolkien had a bit of the same Legolas fetish that Jackson did and just managed to restrain himself a bit more.
So many people are outraged by Legolas's relationship with Tauriel. But I thought it was a beautiful storyline that increased the wonder of our dear girly Legolas. I think that, even though it steals away my own fantasy relationship with Legolas who - if there were any justice in Middle Earth - would have been gay. 😉
Yeah regarding the friendship between them, in book they become quite close, and have many great moments, especially their deal that after the war they both will take each other to admire the places they want, Legolas wanted to take Gimli on the trip across Fangorn, while Gimli took him to see the Aglarond the Glittering Caves, and this moment when Gimli is concerned about the Legolas sea-longing setting in:
"‘Look!’ he cried. ‘Gulls! They are flying far inland. A wonder they are to me and a trouble to my heart. Never in all my life had I met them, until we came to Pelargir, and there I heard them crying in the air as we rode to the battle of the ships. Then I stood still, forgetting war in Middle-earth; for their wailing voices spoke to me of the Sea. The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.’
‘Say not so!’ said Gimli. ‘There are countless things still to see in Middle-earth, and great works to do. But if all the fair folk take to the Havens, it will be a duller world for those who are doomed to stay.’"
Yeah, it would of been cool if they threw in a back story
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Durin not jiren 😂🤣😂🤣🤣
I reely like legolas
Elvish has an E sound. You keep saying an A sound. Alvish? Alvin... ALVIN!!! 😂🤣😂🤦♀️ ok enough of this bullshittery. I cant listen to any more about the Alves. Im done.