First time here, really enjoyed sitting in on the conversation - makes a nice change from a lot of the 'salespersons' purportedly 'reviewing' guitars. This looks like a lovely instrument, I personally like the finish and I have heard a few good audio demos on YT. I only own 1 Gibson, it's a 1968 Custom I bought 3rd hand in 1974 when our band was kicking off in NZ. Played it live a lot and then in 82 when the band folded and I went into soundtrack / album production I hung onto it and gradually picked up various other guitars along the way. I smiled when I heard the 'I never really use the middle position' comment - I used it a lot in the band thru a nice old Fender rig for that 'chimey' arpeggio chord thing - I grew up with the Beatles so George was my hero at that time. Peter Green probably my No. 2 in terms of the 'pop / blues rock' stuff so the Greeny thing has been on my mind the last couple of years with all the online chatter about it and my solution has been to grab the Epiphone / Gibson 1959 LP hybrid (Cherry, satin finish!) which I am enjoying. My plan is to get the Monty's Bethnal Greens, which seem to be the most interesting boutique take on the Greeny middle position thing and see how I get on! Thanks again for a fun chat - maybe I'll get around to grabbing one of these Gibsons if they turn up here in HK . . . cheers!
I have seen many reviews about this guitar and I was not convinced at all to get it. But seeing yours with all the pros and cons, really makes me now to reconsider. I guess I might make a trip to a guitar shop and play it before I push the button! Thanks for an amazing review!!!
I've had one for a week now I can't stop playing it (I have 7 more Les Pauls) I don't care about price and all the anti Gibson crap. The standard Greeny is a fantastic guitar. Well Made. Top level, trust me👍🏻
@@damienhick1647 i have an Epiphone Slash Rosso Corsa and a 2017 Slash Anaconda and a 2020 Gibson Slash Victoria. The neck profiles are about the same. The Epiphone Slash & Anaconda have the Seymour Duncan Alnico pro's in them...great pickups! I don't like the Gibson Slashbuckers that are in the Victoria. The greeny Les Paul sounds killer with those pickups. They sound great clean and when ya add gain it's a beast..
I purchased this I’ve played guitar a long time 68 …This is a joy to play the neck is awesome the flipped magnet in front pickup is awesome in middle position that “honk” these pickups are awesome …it’s on par price wise with Slash Les Paul..both are beautiful..I know it’s pricey..but if u love that greeny thing …and the flame top is very nice..I’m not cray about satin top ..but overall it’s a guitar I pick up everyday since I have it since the 13th of April..
Great review as always. So basically you are buying a 50s Les Paul with some premium upgrades for $2-300 more. Probably worth it if you in the market and like the finish.
I have a ‘50’s standard that’s unbelievable but with a very ugly tobacco burst. I’d say I would definitely have paid extra for a lemonburst. This example looks great, but the ones I’ve seen online look a very ugly dark orange
I think it’s crazy the 50/60’s standard was 2699 new right back in May last year. Two price jumps since then. I literally got my 60’s standard the day before the price jump and I’m so happy I did 😅
I really dig the duo, Marko and James doing videos together. I thoroughly enjoyed the unbiased and honest review of the guitar. So it is not Greeny, but nor is the price. What matters is that Gibson made a very good Les Paul that I am interested in.
@@mrmetal1276 true that but I also dig that out of phase middle position. Satin finish is a plus for me too. As you mentioned the jury is out if those are $700 worth!
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU say got the guitar 2 days ago and in my opinion this is the best made Gibson I have owned. I own the 50s 60s 70s the classic the Sgs the studio the explorer the junior you name it got them all and this particular one really inspires me and makes me play none stop . Just play it and if you don't like it then you got a lemon what can I say .... Maybe I got lucky and will keep this guitar and play until I die. Have over 50 guitars and this has won my interest . Sell it there is a demand for it ....
Same here. I bought mine a couple of days ago. I was at my local guitar store (where I used to work 20 years ago) shopping for something else and I tried it just out of curiosity as they had just received it. My god. All guitars are unique but that one was truly exceptional. Quite probably the best guitar I have ever played. I wasn’t prepared financially for that, but I just had to buy it. Now, I’m obsessed with it, and I play it every time I can.
Thanks for this guys. I agree with most of what you say about that guitar and Gibson, and price range etc......I'm also curious on why everybody complains (and with a reason) about Gibson prices but no one says anything about PRS's 3k, 4k, 5k...prices?
Opening the recommendation link I couldn't imagine how great this review is. Honest, direct, polite, very informative. A detail to improve - guitar is out of tune a bit ) Conclusions are "pixel perfect" - guitar sounds good, looks gorgeous but the price point makes it meaningless. Also it would be good to hear it with no effects - if I understand correctly, even from the start of the playing, the bit of delay was engaged. Thank you for this review.
I love the color and wood grain, but he’s right. It’s NOT a Greeny. Would I buy one? Possibly, only for the color/wood grain. I’ve purchased 3 Gibson’s for that very reason and I’m not disappointed at all.
I'm only 12 mins in so maybe you get to this later but I was under the impression these pickups were the same ones in the 20K/50K versions? Do you get into how the pickups are different from the USA to the Murphy Lab / special version ? Thanks!
I think the guitar looks great. Kudos to you guys for calling it what it is, a Faded 50’s standard pretty much. Doesn’t mean it isn’t nice though. Gibson just can’t seem to get of their own way sometimes.
I think this a cool platform to do all your changes and history yourself. I have put some real bumblebee caps on mine, replaced the tone and volume controls for custom shop one and will soon chance the tuning pegs for sperzels and order some vintage Gibson wiring, that will get me so more close to Greeny without having to spend 20k. Oh and the pickups are the same as the one the custom shop editions.
Thank you for this interesting review. Would you recommand to get a Traditional or to wait for the money for a greeny? I am looking for a sort of vintage 1959 experience. It would be my 4th LP. I have one epi classic birdeye. one epi custom and one gibson classic. Thank you again for your work!
Thats my dilemma. I have a current Epiphone November burst that I got 50% off retail for. I had it plek’d, bone nut and put in SD Slash pickups. Still came in under retail price but I actually wanted an AFD colour but they didn’t have it at 50%. Great guitar even for Epi My dilemma is now do I go for the Greeny Gibson or Gibson Slash AFD considering I have this Epi. I have one shot for the Gibson - $6000 here in Australia even with discount (retail 7200). I am confused AF as to which direction
100% Marko 🙌. I couldn’t agree more mate. I was waiting for this guitar to drop and when it did I gotta say I was a little disappointed. The price to quality ratio is just nit appealing to me. Btw no one is talking about the Gary Moore Collectors Choice from 2010 (around then) which retailed for $9,995 I believe. It was looked on as been over priced when it came out (if you could believe that today eh?) and today it’s half the price of the cheaper ‘Greeny’. This one here in the video is a real nice guitar but it’s not a Greeny. Btw, something I noticed (been Irish myself). It seems like the amazing thing Gibson has done (by accident probably) is to turn on many new people to Gary Moore with releasing this new line (series) Of Greeny’s. I see them almost everyday online. How do I know they are new Gary Moore fans? They call him underrated. No one who grew up with Gary Moore or who has listened to his music for years would consider him under rated. He was an animal. A savage player. Definitely not under rated. So it’s great that Gibson has achieved this in the process of selling ridiculously over priced guitars. Gary Moore deserves to be heard, by EVERYBODY 🙌
Great review! Gibson are really cashing in on greeny! Looks a nice 50s standard but is it much better than the 50s faded les paul in satin finish ? Vintage do a nice greeny copy v100 in distressed finish for $500. A copy is still a copy be it 50k or $500.
it has "Greenie Buckers" though, can you confirm that thats not based on the MRI and X -ray scans they done on the greenie? Is it just a 50's faded? Because it looks otherwise to be a new guitar with the "Greenie Buckers" in it. that you cannot buy on the aftermarket.
Do Gibson Flip the the Magnet firstly to make it out of phase and secondly turn the pickup around? ( For visual affect) If you simply turn the pickup 180 deg in a pickup ring , it won't be out of phase with the other pickup. That's like turning a clock upside down and expecting the hands to move in the opposite direction. If you turn the pickup 180 deg in the pickup ring , sure, effectively you've flipped the magnet but you've also flipped the coils so the effect is nothing .
I expect the thinking behind not making it "Greeny enough" is for us to lust after a better guitar. But man, they could have at least dyed the back, neck and headstock in cherry!
Intonation problems on this guitar. Some barred chords sound perfectly in tune but open chords are out of tune. But that can be fixed with the bridge intonation screws
they lost me when they didnt include the aged case...i wonder how much the 50k version's pickups cost because they are different in the 20k version and different in this version as well how much do they save?
I think it’s a fine guitar..like the flame …that flipped magnet in front pickup is awesome that honk the middle position…the pickups are special…yeah they sold out quick…they are only 200 more than the standard or same as the Slash model….yes with Gibson I’ve noticed some on high end stuff like slash LP….the tops vary way too much…🤙🏻nice demo😊..agree as mentioned the overkill with a Hammet greeny is crazy….I’ll always refer to the guitar as Greeny/Moore….this is a regular guy lol…”greeny”….so it’s stripped down…Gibson started off ok with this Cesar…but he got greedy …the lawyers and doctors buy up those 20k 50k pcs as show pieces or greed investments….These are player guitars…but good one
That's how I see this. In the Fender world they call this a player plus. IMO this is the Gibson equivalent. Call it a Tribute plus or something because that is exactly what this is. A tribute to the Greeny.
After taking a dump all over the guitar before even playing it they then play it and find out its a great Guitar . They treated the greeny buckers like a joke but then actually played rhe guitar and found out the pickups are not cheap pickups. Automatically assumed the pickups were cheap because they were called greeny bucker even though the custom shop pickups are also called greeny buckers . They sound just like the pickups in the custom shop versions of this guitar because they are the same pickup .
Yes I agree ..started out very negative on the guitar..plug it in..those pups are awesome and they’re the same pups as the higher expensive models..I think it’s a decent rendition of the greeny/Moore Les Paul..being non custom shop…on par with slash guitar same price 3199….
It's not true that the newer slash core guitars don't have AAA tops anymore. I just seen a brand new one with 2023 serial number at my local guitar shop and it had a flame top that I woke fall a 4A flame. Yes there are some that don't have 3A tops but there are many that still do.
I have an anaconda burst from 2021 that has an insane top. It took a few months of looking. It’s a mixed bag. There are some diamonds out there, but sadly most of the tops are muck. I have seen some terrible AFD bursts out there. This does t take away from playability, though. 😉👻
Very good review I enjoyed the blunt honesty. I'm a bit confused however because I thought these were the same pickups that are in the more expensive Greenies. If that's not the case what is the different? Because they both have the same labels in them don't they?
Yeah it's very confusing and apparently no one knows, I was told one thing and others differently..... isn't that exactly also part of the problem, right?
Thank you for this nice review. I understand what you are saying, this guitar not being a real "Greeny". On the other hand, having the pickups wired and installed that way kind of makes it unique, and that part is carried over from "Greeny", and I also found that middle position very unique and very usable, especially on clean settings or only a little bit of crunch. Did you ever weigh the guitar? I would be curious how much it actually weighs. I think the original "Greeny" is just under 9 pounds.
@@THEVATICANTS Thanks, wow, I didn't realize you actually had more than just one copy to check out. But the one from the video surely is really nice. Thanks again for the video, it was fun to watch.
the million dollar question for me... and I would like someone to answer me since I am from the Canary Islands and here we will never see that guitar and we can only buy it in an online store, and the question is... the fingerboard of Does this Gibson greenie have manufacturing defects? I mean tool marks on the fingerboard or on the contrary does it come without problems? I can buy a PRS with my eyes closed but a Gibson scares me to death and I've seen $7000 Gibsons with tool marks on the fingerboard and I didn't buy them for that very reason... my second question is this.gibson won't be a basic Les Paul standard faded but with different pickups and something else to disguise what it really is?😢 By the way, thank you very much for your honest review, you help us a lot, a great job, bro.,🤘🏻
Let's say Inspired by Greeny :) . How much does it weigh? The V/T knobs are like that because Gary wanted to tell in dark stage where his hand is. Faber VOS ABR-1 chrome bridge, tail piece can be a good option for you. It is actually a very cost effective improvement if you do not care about Authentic Gibson parts. They look the same but better tone than Gibson.
What did you mean about the AAA top going down to a A flame? I’m looking at buying one but I don’t want to pay over 4,000 Canadian for a finish that will dwindle away
Over time Gibson will use lesser tops, they will be less nice and less flamed.what they did with the slash models. They call those tops AAA but they’re not even close.
@@THEVATICANTS it’s one of the first batch productions so I think I’ll grab it before it’s gone. I’d much rather pay the price now for “quality” compared to waiting a year or 2 and getting a less quality guitar with a higher price.
Great and thorough review guys. But for the life of me, I don’t understand why you felt the need to put delay in chorus all over the guitar before we could actually hear what it sounded like on its own merit… So for that, I will deduct one point From this review.
The pickups I in thise guitar are not a gimmick. The pickups in the custom shop versions are also called Greeny buckers . It's not the same as with the slash pickups at all . The greeny buckers are clones of the PAFs in the real guitar and they were designed by Jarred Brandon and he cloned the actual pafa in the original and Kirk was involved in their design and rejected the first several attempts .. The custom shop versions of the pickups are also called greeny buckers .
It's meant to be a different feel. For me it doesn't cut it to rationalize. It's emotional. And this works for one and not the other. But tonewise... A 2016 or 2018 Standard does that and much much more with Out of Phase option, 2 different Single Coil sounds for neck, 1 for bridge. But funny enough, that's not what traditionalists like. My 2018 can sound like a burst or like that Greeny. And still It's neck and finish is different. And so every guitar inspires differently. Go for what is right for you!
I snagged one with the intent of modding it, because as you note it is not a Greeny. What it is a satin finished Standard with a cool top and color, beyond that it is nothing to do with Greeny.
The Greenies look very cool no doubt. And I definitely don’t have any issue w/Kirk agreeing to go w/this Gibson release. Good on him and go after that income. The woods I’m sure are top notch. Honestly though IMO these are not worth their asking price unless you’re a major collector type and then it would make sense I suppose. When I make that statement, I’m talking about the $20k version and not this one. This version is Gibson’s “pity-fu{k”. However, if you’re gonna go w/the mega high end replica fine, go for it. But why toss out these other knock offs of a knock off? I have a LP Classic from 2001 that has the Premium Plus top. It’s one of the best LP I’ve ever played. I installed SD Antiquity pups and honestly it looks cooler IMO than this one. Man, you guys are spot on here and thank you for calling this crap out. I think Gibson is putting out some really nice instruments right now but this is just stupid. Again, great job guys. Facts
Just the fact that you mentioned the word Slash, 50 times, says a lot. The Slash edition from 2008, set the standard, I own one! Kirk can keep his guitars, and all the drama that goes with them! I never had to go thru the nonsense of buying my guitar, I just bought it, and I’m still enjoying it today. Slash is not a prima Donna, like Kirk Hammett!
Thats my dilemma. I have a current Epiphone November burst that I got 50% off retail for. I had it plek’d, bone nut and put in SD Slash pickups. Still came in under retail price but I actually wanted an AFD colour but they didn’t have it at 50%. Great guitar even for Epi My dilemma is now do I go for the Greeny Gibson or Gibson Slash AFD considering I have this Epi. I have one shot for the Gibson - $6000 here in Australia even with discount (retail 7200). I am confused AF as to which direction.
@@damienhick1647 I’m not a big Kirk Hammett fan, a lot of the cost of his signature guitars is attributed to the aging process, witch makes no sense to me, I like a brand new perfect guitar, that I can ding it up myself, or try not too! It’s your choice, but I own a Slash edition, and it’s my work horse, sounds great, plays great, I paid 3500.$ for it, and with all the money I saved, I bought a couple Gibson acoustic guitars, one is the Slash edition J45, it’s your call, I just don’t think the Kirk guitar would make me any happier….
The way you people blindly shit on Kirk hammet is hilarious . Zero drama in the man’s life ever . The story with the guitar had nothing to do with drama . I’m sure he’s just fine 💀 slash & Kirk are close to the same level @ this point . Kirk is one of the nicest people I’ve had the pleasure to meet .
@THE VATICANTS I heard these HJS were far more open sounding than the regular JVM. Are you happy with the Friedman ? Or is there something missing to you ?
As I’m watching a “Greenie” review…I was scratching my head thinking “what makes THIS an actual Greenie”. Marko nails this. The guitar seems pretty solid. Good wood, fit finish, etc…but yeah…what else?!?! The out of phase pickup set up is a bad tip of the hat. No relicing, no Greenie vibe at all. Either keep it to the $20k or $50k versions. OR do a legit Murphy Lab production level version for the usual overblown $9-10k and keep it moving. But to call this a “Greenie” is a slap in the face.
So it's a LP Standard 50's Neck in "Greenie Burst Satin", with an AAA top, ABR bridge, reversed neck pickup and mismatched knobs. Not a bad guitar at all, but just call it for what it is... another thing that bugged me is that the hardware is chrome, not nickel like the CS and original, cheap thing to correct. The neck profile and wiring were missed opportunities, it ends up looking they just wanted to rip off the unaware. Suhr and Fender have been using neck profile scanning and CNCing them on their artist copies for years. That would be the best, but you can do it by hand... "just try, Gibson".
Marko , im a huge Gibson fan ...but to be honest , it looks and sounds like their 1000 dollar tribute series , with mixed knobs ....id rather have seen a 7k custom shop light relic .
I'm sad to see Gibson doing a lot of silly things again. Examples are things like custom colors in fauscia pink and blue. The lp light series in goofy colors. The Supreme. Wate if money. Then stopping production on the firebird and sg junior. I love gibson. I worry Cesar was not the best choice.. I forsee them losing the market they just got back. Losing touch already. Thank you, Marco, for your honest videos.
I guess im the exception because i love Les Paul/Gibsons and i love PRSs. But i like the company PRS more than Gibson. Mostly because Paul had to suceed in the shadows and try to do something new enough and his guitars won me over when i was biased against them. He earned it.
People get trapped by names. And this seems to work better than ever before. Quality is just a random thing. I am far from being amongst the world´s best guitarist, but I bet I can reproduce the sounds to be heard in this video with any of my Gibson or Tokai humbucker guitars. Get three high quality guitars at 1k each (yes, it is possible) und you have something to talk about. But anyway, thanks for the review and the true words about the pricing at Gibson. But since people are willing to pay half a million or more for old LPs almost no matter what condition they are in, 10 or 20k are peanuts. And once you spent the money, you have to tell all the world that THIS ONE ist the best of all. Edit: Don´t get me wrong: This doesn´t mean I doubt your opinion about this particular item; not at all!
I got a defective one and also the top looked way too light and the weight was too light. Very disappointing. The guitar didn't look or feel worth the price to me at all.
if i was gonna buy one the standard would be it , but even it is overpriced , who in there right mind would pay 10-20-50 thousand dollars for a faux aged guitar , crazy world we live in , a faux aged guitar look similar to a real worn in guitar until up close and personal then it is obvious one is real wear and one is man made ..
Awesome video Marko. Always a better day when you post!
Love your reviews, Marko. Super underrated channel.
Right after Gibson released this standard they released a 15000 dollar Hammett v. Gibson pricing is insane. Thanks guys
Great review. Sounds good. That Pink EVH looks amazing. I almost bought one years ago and boy do I regret not buying it when I had the chance.
All guitar reviews should be like this. 53 minutes is a big time investment as a watcher, but it was worth it.
Small time investment if you're a buyer.
@@larryalexander900exactly I’m waiting on mine . Be here tomorrow
I agree wholeheartedly! 20k for a relic is crazy! I can see them doing a 5-7 grand at Murphy aged those would sell all day long!
First time here, really enjoyed sitting in on the conversation - makes a nice change from a lot of the 'salespersons' purportedly 'reviewing' guitars. This looks like a lovely instrument, I personally like the finish and I have heard a few good audio demos on YT. I only own 1 Gibson, it's a 1968 Custom I bought 3rd hand in 1974 when our band was kicking off in NZ. Played it live a lot and then in 82 when the band folded and I went into soundtrack / album production I hung onto it and gradually picked up various other guitars along the way. I smiled when I heard the 'I never really use the middle position' comment - I used it a lot in the band thru a nice old Fender rig for that 'chimey' arpeggio chord thing - I grew up with the Beatles so George was my hero at that time. Peter Green probably my No. 2 in terms of the 'pop / blues rock' stuff so the Greeny thing has been on my mind the last couple of years with all the online chatter about it and my solution has been to grab the Epiphone / Gibson 1959 LP hybrid (Cherry, satin finish!) which I am enjoying. My plan is to get the Monty's Bethnal Greens, which seem to be the most interesting boutique take on the Greeny middle position thing and see how I get on! Thanks again for a fun chat - maybe I'll get around to grabbing one of these Gibsons if they turn up here in HK . . . cheers!
Most honest review about this guitar yet. Also - James is a great addition!
1000% accurate… I only got halfway thru before I couldn’t do it anymore 😂
Got mine on Wednesday and I love it .... I knew the pickups were gonna impress 🎸🤘🍻
I have seen many reviews about this guitar and I was not convinced at all to get it. But seeing yours with all the pros and cons, really makes me now to reconsider. I guess I might make a trip to a guitar shop and play it before I push the button! Thanks for an amazing review!!!
I've had one for a week now I can't stop playing it (I have 7 more Les Pauls) I don't care about price and all the anti Gibson crap. The standard Greeny is a fantastic guitar. Well Made. Top level, trust me👍🏻
Totale agree ! Love mine
I love mine as well.
No matter what there's always going to be people complaining about something. 😂 You're never going to be able to satisfy everyone 100%
Do you have a Slash? If so how do they compare? I can’t afford both but do have an Epi Slash
@@damienhick1647 i have an Epiphone Slash Rosso Corsa and a 2017 Slash Anaconda and a 2020 Gibson Slash Victoria. The neck profiles are about the same. The Epiphone Slash & Anaconda have the Seymour Duncan Alnico pro's in them...great pickups! I don't like the Gibson Slashbuckers that are in the Victoria. The greeny Les Paul sounds killer with those pickups. They sound great clean and when ya add gain it's a beast..
The middle position is great on an LP if you set the bridge volume to 10 and the neck volume to 4.
And get the pickup height dialed in.
Great review Marko
I purchased this I’ve played guitar a long time 68 …This is a joy to play the neck is awesome the flipped magnet in front pickup is awesome in middle position that “honk” these pickups are awesome …it’s on par price wise with Slash Les Paul..both are beautiful..I know it’s pricey..but if u love that greeny thing …and the flame top is very nice..I’m not cray about satin top ..but overall it’s a guitar I pick up everyday since I have it since the 13th of April..
Great review as always. So basically you are buying a 50s Les Paul with some premium upgrades for $2-300 more. Probably worth it if you in the market and like the finish.
I have a ‘50’s standard that’s unbelievable but with a very ugly tobacco burst. I’d say I would definitely have paid extra for a lemonburst. This example looks great, but the ones I’ve seen online look a very ugly dark orange
I think it’s crazy the 50/60’s standard was 2699 new right back in May last year. Two price jumps since then. I literally got my 60’s standard the day before the price jump and I’m so happy I did 😅
I got mine when they came out. I got it for $2499.
I really dig the duo, Marko and James doing videos together. I thoroughly enjoyed the unbiased and honest review of the guitar. So it is not Greeny, but nor is the price. What matters is that Gibson made a very good Les Paul that I am interested in.
The 50s faded les paul in satin finish is also a grest looking guitar and $700 cheaper!
@@mrmetal1276 true that but I also dig that out of phase middle position. Satin finish is a plus for me too. As you mentioned the jury is out if those are $700 worth!
@@highmax2002 seymour duncan do green magic pickups, so you can turn any les paul into a greeny sounding les paul for $300
I appreciate the honesty!
I enjoy these honest reviews from folks that aren’t trying to sell me stuff. 🙃
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU say got the guitar 2 days ago and in my opinion this is the best made Gibson I have owned. I own the 50s 60s 70s the classic the Sgs the studio the explorer the junior you name it got them all and this particular one really inspires me and makes me play none stop . Just play it and if you don't like it then you got a lemon what can I say .... Maybe I got lucky and will keep this guitar and play until I die. Have over 50 guitars and this has won my interest . Sell it there is a demand for it ....
Same here. I bought mine a couple of days ago. I was at my local guitar store (where I used to work 20 years ago) shopping for something else and I tried it just out of curiosity as they had just received it. My god. All guitars are unique but that one was truly exceptional. Quite probably the best guitar I have ever played. I wasn’t prepared financially for that, but I just had to buy it. Now, I’m obsessed with it, and I play it every time I can.
Finally a NO BS review.... Tired of the saleman review who pour syrup on $hit and call it pancakes..
Thanks for this guys. I agree with most of what you say about that guitar and Gibson, and price range etc......I'm also curious on why everybody complains (and with a reason) about Gibson prices but no one says anything about PRS's 3k, 4k, 5k...prices?
Great video, Marko! Thanks for the honest review. 🤘🏻
Is this your visiting buddy you told me about? 🤘🏻
Thnx brother. Yea that’s James. Hopefully see you this week for a drink.
Opening the recommendation link I couldn't imagine how great this review is. Honest, direct, polite, very informative.
A detail to improve - guitar is out of tune a bit )
Conclusions are "pixel perfect" - guitar sounds good, looks gorgeous but the price point makes it meaningless.
Also it would be good to hear it with no effects - if I understand correctly, even from the start of the playing, the bit of delay was engaged.
Thank you for this review.
It does have the Greeny pickups and wiring.
I love the color and wood grain, but he’s right. It’s NOT a Greeny.
Would I buy one? Possibly, only for the color/wood grain. I’ve purchased 3 Gibson’s for that very reason and I’m not disappointed at all.
Thank you for this
Awesome review, awesome guitar.... sold me. I bought 2.
I'm only 12 mins in so maybe you get to this later but I was under the impression these pickups were the same ones in the 20K/50K versions? Do you get into how the pickups are different from the USA to the Murphy Lab / special version ? Thanks!
I confirmed with Sweetwater that these pick ups are definitely not the same. Similar but not same.
Just started watching this, I know it’s gonna be dope.
I think the guitar looks great. Kudos to you guys for calling it what it is, a Faded 50’s standard pretty much. Doesn’t mean it isn’t nice though. Gibson just can’t seem to get of their own way sometimes.
I have one coming tomorrow
I think this a cool platform to do all your changes and history yourself. I have put some real bumblebee caps on mine, replaced the tone and volume controls for custom shop one and will soon chance the tuning pegs for sperzels and order some vintage Gibson wiring, that will get me so more close to Greeny without having to spend 20k. Oh and the pickups are the same as the one the custom shop editions.
Thank you for this interesting review. Would you recommand to get a Traditional or to wait for the money for a greeny? I am looking for a sort of vintage 1959 experience. It would be my 4th LP. I have one epi classic birdeye. one epi custom and one gibson classic.
Thank you again for your work!
Thats my dilemma. I have a current Epiphone November burst that I got 50% off retail for. I had it plek’d, bone nut and put in SD Slash pickups. Still came in under retail price but I actually wanted an AFD colour but they didn’t have it at 50%. Great guitar even for Epi
My dilemma is now do I go for the Greeny Gibson or Gibson Slash AFD considering I have this Epi. I have one shot for the Gibson - $6000 here in Australia even with discount (retail 7200). I am confused AF as to which direction
100% Marko 🙌. I couldn’t agree more mate. I was waiting for this guitar to drop and when it did I gotta say I was a little disappointed. The price to quality ratio is just nit appealing to me. Btw no one is talking about the Gary Moore Collectors Choice from 2010 (around then) which retailed for $9,995 I believe. It was looked on as been over priced when it came out (if you could believe that today eh?) and today it’s half the price of the cheaper ‘Greeny’. This one here in the video is a real nice guitar but it’s not a Greeny.
Btw, something I noticed (been Irish myself). It seems like the amazing thing Gibson has done (by accident probably) is to turn on many new people to Gary Moore with releasing this new line (series) Of Greeny’s. I see them almost everyday online. How do I know they are new Gary Moore fans? They call him underrated. No one who grew up with Gary Moore or who has listened to his music for years would consider him under rated. He was an animal. A savage player. Definitely not under rated. So it’s great that Gibson has achieved this in the process of selling ridiculously over priced guitars. Gary Moore deserves to be heard, by EVERYBODY 🙌
You’re are absolutely right about the Gary Moore collectors choice. And Gary Moore is one of the greatest players of all time. IMO.
@@markrosenquist8259 Damn straight he was, an absolute Monster on the fretboard.
@@thelolguy007 Definitely!!!
Just ordered one
Gibson got so many variables and outcomes from one shape of guitar .
I love that no two are the same .
It does have the Greeny pickups
Great review! Gibson are really cashing in on greeny! Looks a nice 50s standard but is it much better than the 50s faded les paul in satin finish ? Vintage do a nice greeny copy v100 in distressed finish for $500. A copy is still a copy be it 50k or $500.
I got one of those vintage greeny copies you mentioned. Bought it in 2012 from Thomann store in germany for 350 euro. Awesome guitar for the money.
it has "Greenie Buckers" though, can you confirm that thats not based on the MRI and X -ray scans they done on the greenie? Is it just a 50's faded? Because it looks otherwise to be a new guitar with the "Greenie Buckers" in it. that you cannot buy on the aftermarket.
Great to hear you slam Gibsons prices.
Do Gibson Flip the the Magnet firstly to make it out of phase and secondly turn the pickup around? ( For visual affect)
If you simply turn the pickup 180 deg in a pickup ring , it won't be out of phase with the other pickup.
That's like turning a clock upside down and expecting the hands to move in the opposite direction.
If you turn the pickup 180 deg in the pickup ring , sure, effectively you've flipped the magnet but you've also flipped the coils so the effect is nothing .
Yes they do I believe
I expect the thinking behind not making it "Greeny enough" is for us to lust after a better guitar. But man, they could have at least dyed the back, neck and headstock in cherry!
really like the song at the end.
thnx, that's my new music video ;)
It’s a type O negative song. Well done on the cover.🤘🏻
I'd be interested but the satin just turns me off. I'm with you... make this thing a murphy lab and charge 6-8k
Intonation problems on this guitar. Some barred chords sound perfectly in tune
but open chords are out of tune. But that can be fixed with the bridge intonation screws
they lost me when they didnt include the aged case...i wonder how much the 50k version's pickups cost because they are different in the 20k version and different in this version as well how much do they save?
You guys are not wrong. This is a fair review.. Absolute valid criticism
I think it’s a fine guitar..like the flame …that flipped magnet in front pickup is awesome that honk the middle position…the pickups are special…yeah they sold out quick…they are only 200 more than the standard or same as the Slash model….yes with Gibson I’ve noticed some on high end stuff like slash LP….the tops vary way too much…🤙🏻nice demo😊..agree as mentioned the overkill with a Hammet greeny is crazy….I’ll always refer to the guitar as Greeny/Moore….this is a regular guy lol…”greeny”….so it’s stripped down…Gibson started off ok with this Cesar…but he got greedy …the lawyers and doctors buy up those 20k 50k pcs as show pieces or greed investments….These are player guitars…but good one
Agree, this will always be the Greeny/Moore to me.
That's how I see this. In the Fender world they call this a player plus. IMO this is the Gibson equivalent. Call it a Tribute plus or something because that is exactly what this is. A tribute to the Greeny.
It's an amber flame top with a pickup mod.
After taking a dump all over the guitar before even playing it they then play it and find out its a great Guitar . They treated the greeny buckers like a joke but then actually played rhe guitar and found out the pickups are not cheap pickups. Automatically assumed the pickups were cheap because they were called greeny bucker even though the custom shop pickups are also called greeny buckers . They sound just like the pickups in the custom shop versions of this guitar because they are the same pickup .
Yes I agree ..started out very negative on the guitar..plug it in..those pups are awesome and they’re the same pups as the higher expensive models..I think it’s a decent rendition of the greeny/Moore Les Paul..being non custom shop…on par with slash guitar same price 3199….
I thought the pickups were the same on CS version ?
I must say though, it does have an awesome clean tone🤟🏽
It's not true that the newer slash core guitars don't have AAA tops anymore. I just seen a brand new one with 2023 serial number at my local guitar shop and it had a flame top that I woke fall a 4A flame. Yes there are some that don't have 3A tops but there are many that still do.
C'mon man, let's be honest here: one out of 200 actually is a AAA.
I have an anaconda burst from 2021 that has an insane top. It took a few months of looking. It’s a mixed bag. There are some diamonds out there, but sadly most of the tops are muck. I have seen some terrible AFD bursts out there. This does t take away from playability, though.
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Very good review I enjoyed the blunt honesty. I'm a bit confused however because I thought these were the same pickups that are in the more expensive Greenies. If that's not the case what is the different? Because they both have the same labels in them don't they?
Yeah it's very confusing and apparently no one knows, I was told one thing and others differently..... isn't that exactly also part of the problem, right?
@@THEVATICANTS yes sir that definitely is.
Thank you for this nice review. I understand what you are saying, this guitar not being a real "Greeny". On the other hand, having the pickups wired and installed that way kind of makes it unique, and that part is carried over from "Greeny", and I also found that middle position very unique and very usable, especially on clean settings or only a little bit of crunch.
Did you ever weigh the guitar? I would be curious how much it actually weighs. I think the original "Greeny" is just under 9 pounds.
The 3 we all close to 10lbs, this one 9.1, was the lightest ;)
@@THEVATICANTS Thanks, wow, I didn't realize you actually had more than just one copy to check out. But the one from the video surely is really nice. Thanks again for the video, it was fun to watch.
@@THEVATICANTS P.S.: From which store did you get to check out these guitars?
@@rjstauber He said Nitro in the video wherever that is
the million dollar question for me... and I would like someone to answer me since I am from the Canary Islands and here we will never see that guitar and we can only buy it in an online store, and the question is... the fingerboard of Does this Gibson greenie have manufacturing defects? I mean tool marks on the fingerboard or on the contrary does it come without problems? I can buy a PRS with my eyes closed but a Gibson scares me to death and I've seen $7000 Gibsons with tool marks on the fingerboard and I didn't buy them for that very reason... my second question is this.gibson won't be a basic Les Paul standard faded but with different pickups and something else to disguise what it really is?😢
By the way, thank you very much for your honest review, you help us a lot, a great job, bro.,🤘🏻
Let's say Inspired by Greeny :) . How much does it weigh? The V/T knobs are like that because Gary wanted to tell in dark stage where his hand is. Faber VOS ABR-1 chrome bridge, tail piece can be a good option for you. It is actually a very cost effective improvement if you do not care about Authentic Gibson parts. They look the same but better tone than Gibson.
Also, the clip at the end is Type O Negative ordered from Wish that got lost in the mail
The greenie buckers are in all the models.
What did you mean about the AAA top going down to a A flame? I’m looking at buying one but I don’t want to pay over 4,000 Canadian for a finish that will dwindle away
Over time Gibson will use lesser tops, they will be less nice and less flamed.what they did with the slash models. They call those tops AAA but they’re not even close.
@@THEVATICANTS it’s one of the first batch productions so I think I’ll grab it before it’s gone. I’d much rather pay the price now for “quality” compared to waiting a year or 2 and getting a less quality guitar with a higher price.
Is the hardware in nickel ? Looks like chrome
To me, the satin finish makes it look like an Epiphone "Lazarus". Also the the sloppy glue stain on the neck heel is unacceptable on this one.
Great and thorough review guys. But for the life of me, I don’t understand why you felt the need to put delay in chorus all over the guitar before we could actually hear what it sounded like on its own merit… So for that, I will deduct one point From this review.
It annoys me that the back isn’t red, it’s supposed to be a ‘59? Nice review!
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The $50k one came with a package, where you could meet Kirk and a bunch of other stuff. It also had a Brazilian rosewood board.
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Nailed it!
The pickups I in thise guitar are not a gimmick. The pickups in the custom shop versions are also called Greeny buckers . It's not the same as with the slash pickups at all . The greeny buckers are clones of the PAFs in the real guitar and they were designed by Jarred Brandon and he cloned the actual pafa in the original and Kirk was involved in their design and rejected the first several attempts .. The custom shop versions of the pickups are also called greeny buckers .
Not same pick ups. Same name but not same pick ups.
They have the same pickups 100%
It's meant to be a different feel.
For me it doesn't cut it to rationalize. It's emotional. And this works for one and not the other.
But tonewise...
A 2016 or 2018 Standard does that and much much more with Out of Phase option, 2 different Single Coil sounds for neck, 1 for bridge.
But funny enough, that's not what traditionalists like.
My 2018 can sound like a burst or like that Greeny. And still It's neck and finish is different. And so every guitar inspires differently. Go for what is right for you!
To sum up.. stop believing everything you are told.. playing is believing.
Great review.
Maaaarcooo...I love you Marco!
The Greenybucker pickups that come in the custom shop models are the same minus aged hardware.
Not same pick ups.
I like you guys ! New sub here from Quebec !
I snagged one with the intent of modding it, because as you note it is not a Greeny. What it is a satin finished Standard with a cool top and color, beyond that it is nothing to do with Greeny.
The Greenies look very cool no doubt. And I definitely don’t have any issue w/Kirk agreeing to go w/this Gibson release. Good on him and go after that income.
The woods I’m sure are top notch.
Honestly though IMO these are not worth their asking price unless you’re a major collector type and then it would make sense I suppose. When I make that statement, I’m talking about the $20k version and not this one. This version is Gibson’s “pity-fu{k”.
However, if you’re gonna go w/the mega high end replica fine, go for it. But why toss out these other knock offs of a knock off?
I have a LP Classic from 2001 that has the Premium Plus top. It’s one of the best LP I’ve ever played. I installed SD Antiquity pups and honestly it looks cooler IMO than this one.
Man, you guys are spot on here and thank you for calling this crap out.
I think Gibson is putting out some really nice instruments right now but this is just stupid.
Again, great job guys. Facts
Just the fact that you mentioned the word Slash, 50 times, says a lot. The Slash edition from 2008, set the standard, I own one! Kirk can keep his guitars, and all the drama that goes with them! I never had to go thru the nonsense of buying my guitar, I just bought it, and I’m still enjoying it today. Slash is not a prima Donna, like Kirk Hammett!
Agree, 2008 and 2010 Slash were the true stuff! Love my AFDs.
Thats my dilemma. I have a current Epiphone November burst that I got 50% off retail for. I had it plek’d, bone nut and put in SD Slash pickups. Still came in under retail price but I actually wanted an AFD colour but they didn’t have it at 50%. Great guitar even for Epi
My dilemma is now do I go for the Greeny Gibson or Gibson Slash AFD considering I have this Epi. I have one shot for the Gibson - $6000 here in Australia even with discount (retail 7200). I am confused AF as to which direction.
@@damienhick1647 I’m not a big Kirk Hammett fan, a lot of the cost of his signature guitars is attributed to the aging process, witch makes no sense to me, I like a brand new perfect guitar, that I can ding it up myself, or try not too! It’s your choice, but I own a Slash edition, and it’s my work horse, sounds great, plays great, I paid 3500.$ for it, and with all the money I saved, I bought a couple Gibson acoustic guitars, one is the Slash edition J45, it’s your call, I just don’t think the Kirk guitar would make me any happier….
Yeah I am leaning towards the Slash I think Thanks for the reply@@erikracz4162
The way you people blindly shit on Kirk hammet is hilarious . Zero drama in the man’s life ever . The story with the guitar had nothing to do with drama . I’m sure he’s just fine 💀 slash & Kirk are close to the same level @ this point . Kirk is one of the nicest people I’ve had the pleasure to meet .
There is a wonderful Friedman Smallbox but you go into the JVM ? 🤔
Haha, the JVM is a HJS, I don't think that's too bad either, but too many options haha!!!
@THE VATICANTS I heard these HJS were far more open sounding than the regular JVM.
Are you happy with the Friedman ? Or is there something missing to you ?
@@mika-hp5ch Exactly, the regular JVM pales in comparison to the HJS. Love my Friedman, both great amps!
As I’m watching a “Greenie” review…I was scratching my head thinking “what makes THIS an actual Greenie”. Marko nails this. The guitar seems pretty solid. Good wood, fit finish, etc…but yeah…what else?!?! The out of phase pickup set up is a bad tip of the hat. No relicing, no Greenie vibe at all. Either keep it to the $20k or $50k versions. OR do a legit Murphy Lab production level version for the usual overblown $9-10k and keep it moving. But to call this a “Greenie” is a slap in the face.
Well, the pick ups seem to be a good reason..
Like my prs but I dont hate the Gibson guitars
Wow. I’ve never heard a Les Paul with three usable voices. The middle position almost sounds like an out of phase bridge pickup.
So it's a LP Standard 50's Neck in "Greenie Burst Satin", with an AAA top, ABR bridge, reversed neck pickup and mismatched knobs. Not a bad guitar at all, but just call it for what it is... another thing that bugged me is that the hardware is chrome, not nickel like the CS and original, cheap thing to correct. The neck profile and wiring were missed opportunities, it ends up looking they just wanted to rip off the unaware. Suhr and Fender have been using neck profile scanning and CNCing them on their artist copies for years. That would be the best, but you can do it by hand... "just try, Gibson".
I wouldn’t pay $20k for the real greeny lol. But that’s just me…
...me too.
Why? It's probably worth between $350 to $500k and will keep increasing. You don't make good financial decisions, huh?
First thing I would do is swap the pickups
Why? They are fantastic. It’s not a greenie but it’s an absolutely epic les Paul!
Love new VOS but Not artificial chewed up because your marks count 💫
Hi , I have a 2001 Gary Moore Sig , how does this (so called Greeny) compare to mine ??? Cheers !
Marko , im a huge Gibson fan ...but to be honest , it looks and sounds like their 1000 dollar tribute series , with mixed knobs ....id rather have seen a 7k custom shop light relic .
I disagree that the middle position is useless with normal pu wiring. You just gotta know how to work with it.
I just got mine from sweet water LP 50 standard Gold top 2022 model 9 Lbs 15 ounces I’m planning to sell my PRS mcarthy to get another one
i agree 100 percent 20,000 is way ridiculous
I'm sad to see Gibson doing a lot of silly things again. Examples are things like custom colors in fauscia pink and blue. The lp light series in goofy colors. The Supreme. Wate if money. Then stopping production on the firebird and sg junior. I love gibson. I worry Cesar was not the best choice.. I forsee them losing the market they just got back. Losing touch already. Thank you, Marco, for your honest videos.
Did you keep the guitar
For sale as we speak.
At nitro?
@@cliffordclaussen2321 no just selling privately, I listed it on reverb etc.
Totally agree dude! By the way, the pickups are the same as the expensive one, checkout Troglys review 🤘
not same pick up.
I guess im the exception because i love Les Paul/Gibsons and i love PRSs. But i like the company PRS more than Gibson. Mostly because Paul had to suceed in the shadows and try to do something new enough and his guitars won me over when i was biased against them. He earned it.
The reason the pickups sound so good is because they are the same pickups as in the 50 000 dollar version which are also called greeny buckers
not same pick ups
Same pickups 100%
It is the same
People get trapped by names. And this seems to work better than ever before. Quality is just a random thing. I am far from being amongst the world´s best guitarist, but I bet I can reproduce the sounds to be heard in this video with any of my Gibson or Tokai humbucker guitars. Get three high quality guitars at 1k each (yes, it is possible) und you have something to talk about.
But anyway, thanks for the review and the true words about the pricing at Gibson. But since people are willing to pay half a million or more for old LPs almost no matter what condition they are in, 10 or 20k are peanuts. And once you spent the money, you have to tell all the world that THIS ONE ist the best of all.
Edit: Don´t get me wrong: This doesn´t mean I doubt your opinion about this particular item; not at all!
I got a defective one and also the top looked way too light and the weight was too light. Very disappointing. The guitar didn't look or feel worth the price to me at all.
if i was gonna buy one the standard would be it , but even it is overpriced , who in there right mind would pay 10-20-50 thousand dollars for a faux aged guitar , crazy world we live in , a faux aged guitar look similar to a real worn in guitar until up close and personal then it is obvious one is real wear and one is man made ..
Gibson nailed it.