@@phueno1498 Yeah but I feel like it ruins a staple of zombies where it's hard to build yourself back up after getting downed and there was always a challenge. I get what you mean but this is also just another way that shows zombies has gotten easier imo.
@@phueno1498 but making a few guns stand out more than other ones is what make them known. If every gun is good, who will care about other guns. I dont like it and it destroys the aura of older games
@@Diamond-ji2gv A few guns did stand out though, he mentioned in the video that most people would use the m16 or one of the two launch shotguns. Pretty much most other weapons are not worth using.
if I was a zombies developer, I would let people choose between: Play with the map crew with old point system and starting pistol, with all it's atributes and all OR Play with a strike team with loadouts BUT you can't do easter eggs, just level up your guns, get camos and get perks and with new point system.
What about for operators, you can do an easter egg, but a causal version. And with the crew, you get the full in-depth main story easter egg. That way, everyone can experience the story, if you want
It’s getting to the point to where there’s no point in talking to those who like the loadouts. They never listen to anything that we say. You can repeat to them 1000x with valid reasoning and they will dog it off with “you can play the old games” or “you can just spawn in with a pistol”. No matter what reasonable solutions we try and give they just don’t listen.
@@Komani115 you do realize you just posted 2 reasonable reason people gave you and refused to listen. Activisions wants to make money so if they classic system had better player retention I’m sure they would bring it back. It just seems to fall off relatively fast. Think about it. If they could make basically no changes, just new maps and Easter eggs and make the same amount of money, wouldn’t they do that? “Real” zombies got stale, so they upgraded it, with variety, choice, customizing. So, like you pointed out, with some self control, you can spawn in with a pistol, you can only play with 4 perks, you can chose to not pickup armor. It’s just if you have a choice to play with mechanics similar to real zombies or new zombies you chose to play with the new zombies mechanics. And the argument that players want to optimize your play to the max the game will allow doesn’t work because every one said Cold War was soooo easy any ways.
@@playerslayer6923 their are people who pretty much exclusively play older zombies for that very reason. It’s just the majority of people won’t because they do like the way the new one feel better. Even the people who trash talk the new games secretly really like them. They are just stuck on nostalgia.
@@Tac_Tots The video explained pretty well why this is a bad take. You can not replicate the old zombies by just choosing a pistol/not picking up perks. Frankly, you dont even need more than 4 or 5 perks to completely break cold war, I often wont pick up more than that. "Activision wants to make money" yes that is obvious, but they never even gave classic zombies a chance under the new model of free DLC w/ cosmetic microtransactions and crossplay. There is no metric to compare fairly. Dont know what you're referring to because I didn't get any more replies.
@@Tac_Tots No, you cannot just "start with a pistol". Because the pistols are now extremely good and can carry you without even upgrading them to at least wave 10. The game is wholly designed around the loadout system which forces every weapon to be what they call "balanced". The mystery box is now entirely unfun and useless in reality. There's no chance of ending up with a bad weapon at all which was a lot of the fun in old zombies, and the box was a ,massive part of old zombies. Now it's nothing. Nobody uses the box because you can just spawn with whatever you want to use and keep it forever. It's become a place to grind weapon levels and camos and that's it.
CoD developers will always purposely ruin everything that we love and anytime they bring back a feature that used to be the norm they advertise it to us like they’re dangling a fucking cookie from a stick. They have the blueprints for what works and what we love and they still needlessly change it just so they can feel like they’re doing something new and not just copy/pasting. Any modern day CoD dev can save their useless ideas/attempts at innovation. We don’t want it. You don’t understand Call of Duty. Just keep copying the works of past developers that actually had pride in what they do.
The problem with new zombies is that they are trying to get multiplayer and warzone fans to play opposed to catering to the pre existing zombies fanbase The new points system is horrible, you only get points on kill from what we can see in bo6
That’s the main issue people wanting loadouts for the camo grind….when the fuck did zombies become a camo grind mode that is not the game mode it’s a survival mode
The 1911 in cold war is actually powerful though, so spawning in with that isn't going to feel like older zombies because its just as powerful as every other weapon. When people use this argument I find it funny how they don't even understand the mechanics of the game they love to defend.
Bring back the fridge but you can choose before hand what weapon is in it and it costs like 10k to get your gun, and make it toward the end of the map or require power or pap on. Still similar to warzone how Activision wants it but also closer to classic how we want it.
See I think they should start you off with a pistol and once you get enough points you can buy your loadout or you can do a side quest to get your loadout
Then people will complain because it’s like Warzone. Also that would literally kill the reason to have the mystery box if you can buy the weapon of your choice. The only thing they could do is if they make 2 separate modes, one with the old Point system and a starting pistol, and the other with the new system.
Weapon loadout will be more useful if weapon loadout was customized to the pack a punch instead of the mystery box and Wall buy the pack a punched and weapon loadout together will make a good combo that's what they should do.
Said it from start loadouts and tier system don't belong in RB zombies espec at the start of the game. How can anyone dispute this it's ridiculous it's the whole point of zombies the progression, gettin wall weapons and the box. Double tap and old point system need to come back too to make auto guns much more useful. Wish the community made the content , u never remove change core features of a mode espec when it's worse and no one has ever complained about. 💯
For the people who say you could just start with a pistol. This doesn’t account to how other players would have different starting weapons therefore there killing would be different, so the first few rounds are still gonna be different from the games with the classic mechanics because of the change up of strategy because you don’t have a pistol as your default weapon.
@@lolcow6668He means that in a public lobby, you’ll be putting yourself at a clear disadvantage to every other player on the map. Even in solo, the game is balanced around your ability to take any powerful weapon you want into the game, so starting with a 1911 isn’t the same as it is in something like BO3.
@@lolcow6668Also, screw this anti-gatekeeping sentiment that every virtue signaller is on these days. Games should appeal to people who actually want to invest the time into them, not to the lowest common denominator.
@adambaryliuk3393 Well the issue is then you only get people who are actually skilled enough to do it. Gatekeeping is dumb and inherently by definition selfish but then so is Anti-gatekeeping.
Here’s my take: I absolutely think the starting pistol or at the very least a selection of few starting weapons would be perfectly fine and balanced. I wouldn’t even mind starting with whatever weapon you want, BUT the main thing I think ruined progression in Cold War was the fact your starting weapons could have more attachments than the ones you buy in game not to mention, the attachments weren’t random which I never understood why it was. It should be like BO3 where you select the attachments for every weapon in the armoury and it appears as such when you buy them. No random attachment bs you can’t change making your starting weapon one you will keep the whole game.
The only way I could see loadout working for the community is if there is an hardcore mode and a casual mode, the casual mode will be like Cold War but no gun attachments, no weapon rarities, and replace field upgrades with specialists, we could have the classic mode have the classic perk system where the perks have their own price, have no perk limit but have the old point system, the classic mode can help people grind for camos and every wonder weapon including the Ray Gun will be infinite damage while the hardcore mode will play like normal cod zombies where you can start out with a weak pistol and only certain wonder weapons do infinite damage and a perk limit(IW perk system)
Tbh I’d 100% rather have loadouts than the scrap system, but the fact that Bo6 has both of those things is extremely worrying. Literally NO reason they needed to add scrap back, especially after MWZ, also the rarity system is such an unnecessary progression step, no ones going to buy a green wallbuy or a green anything. It takes away from packing your gun and seeing the massive increase in damage
The scrap system is needed because you can bring in any weapon but it’s not gonna last you long if you choose to save up as much salvage as you can. It’s meant to carry you through until you unlock pack a punch. I think there should be a limit on revives tho. Loadouts though are fine
@@davemac9563 that what was Fun about it it was difficult but any player new or veteran could do it someone that wasn't Able to do that simple thing is a Jimmy no thumbs
@@davemac9563 its a band aid for the loadout system making it so that treyarch cant really control the progress of a player on a regular run of the map neither symptom nor the cause should even exist
The devs are trying to appeal to an audience that doesn't exist. Most of the zombies community stopped playing the newer games after bo4 because of the newer mechanics like the new perk system. They are trying to balance things that don't need balancing and making things easier to fit to newer audiences when most of the audience has been the same through out the games. The games have been getting easier since WaW when they added perks and pack a punch and bo3 with gobble gums. These were fine additions as they added new layers and more progression, but completely revamping the mechanics to make the game even easier just ruins the point of the challenge and progression. In games like cold war the gameplay is more static by starting with the same op weapons when in older games needing to hit the box and get random weapons and adapting to get to the next box hit. I don't mean to be blinded by nostalgia I enjoyed cold war I just think the loadout system should be slimmer with less stronger weapons like ww2 and bo4. You could maybe start with different pistols like the 1911 that pack a punches into grenade bullets or the b32r that pack a punches and is full auto. I just think starting with stronger weapons removes the fun of progressing with a weak gun and making your way to a wall buy or box.
@@paradoxinraindrops141if one goes to play a mode just because it has the easiest way of prgoressing said weap and that way the mode's player count is like higher than before, does that make the mode automatically more better / successful? I doubt.
You do understand that most of the ACTUAL community grew up and have jobs and kids now. The online community was always such a small portion of zombies and only really peaked with bo3. The majority of zombies players are casual players who don’t care about playing the game for 8 hours to get to round 100. Making the newer games easier doesn’t erase the old games you can go back to. Let the newer games go their own path and don’t buy them if you don’t like. MWZ will never take away the WAW-bo4 games from us.
Honestly, I really like the loadout system and I understand the reasoning as to why people hate it because when Cold War was revealed and we heard about the loadout system I thought that was the worst thing possible for them to add but after using it during the games life cycle I realised its not that bad and there is one reason as to why and that’s camo grinding, since bo4 I’ve really gotten invested in grinding camos in cod and although I’ve only ever gotten the max camo on 2 cods Bo4 multiplayer and Cold War zombies, I like the grind and Cold War was a fun grind and the loadouts helped alot because I could just spawn in with the gun that I was working on so yeah honestly I don’t mind it, it would be cool to have some type of middle ground though like I’ve seen people say they could add loadouts once the power is turned on that wouldn’t be that bad but either way I’m happy loadouts are in the game because it will make the camo grind this year a lot easier opposed to them not having it in as the grind will become 100x longer as I have to push my luck with the box. Also, I’ve been playing zombies since bo1 and I’m a pretty good player so it’s not like I like loadouts because I’m bad and it makes it easier, I only like it because it makes the camo grind a lot more enjoyable and it’s just different aswell.
They should just bring back the difficulty system or make separate game modes. A game mode where you spawn in with a pistol and there’s a 4-5 perk limit.
the amount of times ive just spawned in with the streetsweeper and pack a punched it on cold war and never touched another gun... the rarity and loadout system needs to go it literally makes the mystery box useless and ruins the progression of the game
I used to love it Then I played BO3 and realized that. When you have every gun in the game can be equally as viable as a light machine guns. Having more ammo at the cost of being slow to reload and are a snail stops being overpowered and an awesome pull from the box because an SMG has the same amount of ammo and damage but you are fast and reload in the blink of an eye. Unequal leads to the actual gambling sense that the mystery box actually allowed.
I don't even care about rarity or the shield anymore!!! I just want a starting pistol and the old points system! I don't care about anything else, not even double tap since I doubt they'll bring it back. 😭
Along with a wall buy of every gun across the maps, there could be a mystery box event system, where one weekend you could be getting much more of a certain weapon type like ARs from the box or when a new weapon is released there could be an event that heavily boosts its drop chance from the box.
I think so long as it’s damage is better scaled to the rounds then to okay. The fact that we have weapon kits back gives higher incentive to use wall weapons and the box again. Honestly it seems like it could really work in BO6 from what I’ve seen and heard. We’ll see though
one thing i quickly realized with the new point system is that guns like SMGs and ARs became kinda arbitrary. the reason they were the go to in old games was for the classic point system, they just helped with points and then later you could get that actual shotgun wonder weapon whatever for kills. now ARs and SMGs constantly feel like they’re useless to me, they’re slow to kill usually and just have 0 incentive when things like the explosive or shotguns do the same thing but faster now which is important considering it’s tied to kills for some reason
Their is no reason to get rid of loadouts, if you want to have a classic zombies expierience with a starting pistol, this spawn the M1911 with no attachments, only allow attachments when you pack-a-punch, cod zombies gives you this option. They never needed to make a mode for it, or change it back... This is a good system. Bo6 did slightly change it as we recently learned. That you will have 2 guns, and a knife. Slot for loadouts from what i heard/seen. Plus being able to spawn with anything you want... Makes it so much easier to test certain weapons on high rounds. After i was finished with my testing i strictly spawned with the m1911 because thats what i prefer. I prefered spawning with a pistol. Cold war had the perfect system... Especially since we had blueprints we made and could use... We had the opportunity to play how we wanted. Black ops 6 not having blueprints and going back to something like bo4, where when you buy the weapon it has those attatchments... Means you have to prepare now. Understand what your wanting... And make the best of the best. And just have fun. Calm down, zombies is a silly gamemode... Meant to be fun. Its a game... We dont need to argue about loadouts or starting rounds/round based, we just need to have fun. Its a video game. Grow up. Ill even say, with starting the m1911, its good! I absolutely love this pistol. Its a great pistol. Not mustang and Sally's i was disappointed with that. But i still enjoyed the pain/pain & suffering. Its like the boomhilda. Oh and this phycologically stuff. Stop. If your running through this issue of "oh i have to do this because everyone else is" thats just wrong. You don't have to do this stuff to enjoy the game. Its a video game. You play how you want, if you want to exploit go ahead if you want to glitch. Go ahead. Im bot going to do that because i have standards. Im not using gobblegum because they made the game way too easy. Im not using the tombstone glitch because i enjoy the game and want to play it. Calm down. Seriously. This is a video game. Did you do cold war's camo grind? Those first 1-8 rounds are ESENTIAL. Because higher the round you go less xp you get now. Meaning you need those lower rounds for XP to level your weapons to get the camo grind started.
I would love if there was a sort of personal difficulty setting where you can start with a loadout or a classic start with the weakest gun. The problem is that for that system for work the balancing for the game would have to be basically completely reworked for the classic start, or have the entire game balanced arround one of the two modes, which would alienate either side depending on how the balancing is. While I kinda understand and appreciate them trying to make everything viable in zombies, it ended up making the guns really same-y and not that different from each other, and of course the complete obsoletion of the mystery box and wallbuys, as well as map specific weapon pools being gone now. Before we saw any trailers or any leaks, I already assuned rarity and loadouts would come back due to them being in Vanguard and MW3, but I was hoping they would balance guns and loadouts in a way that other guns that aren't your starter gun could be attractive/worth getting
Instead of spawning in with a starting pistol/knife and having custom loadouts, I think they should implement a Signature Weapon for each Character in the game. So instead of those two things we instead start off with a character specific signature weapon for each character. Its kinda like changing from perk bottles to perk cans. Examples: Takeos Katana Sword, Robert Englunds Garden Fork thingo 😄, Alistair Rhodeses Folly. Do youse understand what i’m trying to convey?
They should have stuck with the wall kits from BO3 🤦♂️, or/and do a weapon upgrade/mastery thing that levels up you gun slowly from red to legendary and reset you weapon rarity for rewards like camos and calling cards, maybe a Weaponized 115 camo for each rarity. (Red, green, blue, purple, and orange.) Edit: maybe even weapon blueprints that turns the gun into a zombie related thing (like the XM4 into a Raygun MKll version or the Tundra into a Wunderwaffle Sniper with the weapon effects too
at the end of the day, the main things I care about for zombies are the main quests and the difficulty of high rounding. In the blog they say that Main Quests will be more difficult in BO6, and also that theres a 3 per game limit on self revive purchases every match, which already makes the game more difficult than cold war, even with gobblegums. loadouts are whatever, I don't really care wether there's starting pistol or loadouts
IMO what I would like to see is universal camos for zombies, that way you don’t need to grind up a specific gun, but instead can get different camos by completing different tasks, getting to different waves, completing Easter eggs, etc instead of needing loadouts to grind
My new understanding of the community is that It’s become such a big community, that you can’t possibly please everyone ever anymore, so concessions have to be made As much as we feel like a majority, we are a minority that complains, the majority isn’t on UA-cam or Twitter voicing their opinions If removing a system means they loose the new majority they gained the pass 4 titles, you can bet your money they won’t do it We don’t want starter weapons, but some people do, we want a PaP animation, some don’t Whatever they do, they gonna loose people, this is the point were you sacrifice a part of that community to grow, or you listen and keep it stale I’m in a mostly agreement, despite me playing solo always with a pistol, some play public games (for some reason) and would be disadvantaged by doing so Idk, I just think this isn’t our game, if they want to make vanguard 2.0, as much as we’d hate it, we’d have no say in it, I’m tired of the entitlement of the community, yes you played a lot and are a fan, but respect the wishes of the devs to evolve the formula I remember it like yesterday when CoD’s main complaint was basically “It’s the same game every year, make some change” now they did and y’all still yapping and complaining Tldr: You can’t please everyone so might aswell go against the minority (us)
If I was treyarch my perfect solution for all parties would be: •loadout is just a selected starting ‘pistol’, field upgrade & gobblegum pack •Bring back weapon kits for customisations •Bring back an updated version of the fridge system from tranzit where before you die or exfil if you put your weapon in the fridge it will be there in your next game however will be cooled down (unpacked) it also will cost a hefty price to retrieve it from the fridge, this will give camo grinders another option that isn’t as intrusive to the game flow as the loadout System and also adds risk reward factor
Tldr: the reason this system feels like shit and why alot of zombie players stopped buying the newer cods is because... You guessed it you dont earn or work towards something, there is no risk/reward, every game of og zombies felt genuinely different. Now its spawn in with whatever you want you dont work towards something
I know this video was made before the news about the zombies mode come out, but weapon kits have returned! It validates wallbuys and mystery box weapons again Respin cycle also got buffed and it upgrades the next weapon tier from the box by 1 level.
For those who want to grind camos, why not just have onslaught. Camo grinding should not take priority over the core gameplay. This imo is what happens when you get multiplayer and warzone players in the mode…
Great video! I also think that the best solution is to have 2 seperate modes. One that is hardcore with old points system, starting with a pistol and some other old features while the ”casual” mode or easy mode should let people play with operators, loadouts etc.
@@lordofthebuckets2676 ohhh my bad, I misread you. I don’t like ignoring discussion though. As long as everyone remains civil, it’s fine to debate these things.
Honestly no matter what is changed with any of the new systems, it’s still gonna be the same unless completely removed and back to square one. Forced to start with a pistol but you can buy your loadout weapon later? Both wall and box weapons are still useless because why spin the box for guns with random attachments when you can get a fully kitted out gun with attachments you yourself chose. A casual mode where it’s the new system and a hardcore mode where it’s the old system? Why would anyone choose the hardcore mode? When they could just choose casual mode and make the game easier for themselves. Faster XP gain for Hardcore? There’s more than likely gonna be a cap to the XP for weapons so there’d be once again, no reason for anyone to choose Hardcore mode. It is just downright impossible to have both the forced 1911 start and spawn with loadout crowds happy at the same time.
One way I think it could work is where wall weapons are randomised within a weapon category. So instead of it being an m16 wall weapon or a spas 12 wall weapon it's a shotgun wall weapon or an assault rifle wall weapon. I think this works slightly better than the map specific wall weapons because I'm pretty sure they will stop releasing zombies maps before they stop releasing weapons, so at the end of the game's lifecycle there would be some weapons that are super annoying to get from the box. I like the separate mode idea, it would be good as a super easter egg reward but that would mean camo grinding would be annoying until every map released. One idea I had that is similar is where the mode that has loadouts gives you reduced xp gain and the starting pistol mode gives better xp gain. This would give a choice to the player of whether thy want to risk it for the better rates or go for the guaranteed weapon.
A game catered to bad players forcing above average or average players to play casually is a horrible system. Most of the mechanics in Cold War was a failed experiment. Hopefully with them bringing back gobble gums we're going to get a classic feel to zombies. Which is very much needed in zombies.
@@Rabi2in You were right. All we got was the same lame mechanics and Warzone assets that doesn't belong in a zombies mode. Black Ops 6 zombies is a MWZ DLC expansion pack. It's lazy development, especially on the map Liberty Falls. The black Ops 4 zombies hate was unnecessary. I never thought that zombies would get this bad after Jason Blundell left. We are down bad without quick revive, tombstone or dying wish.
@@Rabi2in the hate was unnecessary and only because a few things were taken away like jug and speed cola. Everything else was based on a skill or just not taking the time to learn. I'd rather have a Black Ops 6 with a continuation of the Chaos Story that what these lazy developers created. The community would have gotten over the technicalities with Black Ops 4 than to get used to playing Warzone with zombies on it.
@@ScottyDoesnt_Know No, the problem with BO4 is that the perk system fundementally does not make sense. Choosing your perks before a match in a gamemode where in match progression is everything is such an unbelievably bad idea that i wonder who even came up with it. Not being able to adapt your playstyle on the fly is a massive downgrade from previous systems (especially IW). For Example: If you don't have PhD in your loadout you cannot use Explosive Weapons effectively. You just can't. The only way to fix this is with Secret Sauce, which turns BO4s perk system into a more convoluted and messy BO3 system. Spawning in with Specialists also makes all the maps blend together and makes the early game way too easy, having a starting pistol that can melee one hit until round 5 also doesn't help. Chaos, while a good story, was handled disasterously bad. We were dropped into the middle of the story, Aether was left on a cliffhanger and the first 2 DLCs were Chaos, then Chaos was left on a Cliffhanger. The entire execution of the story was a complete catastrophy. I could go on but these are the main pain points of BO4
I mentioned this in a reddit post regarding the same topic but I felt as if BO4's system was the best of both worlds, where you had loadout options but they were very limited, and you had to progress to unlock new starting weapons. Even then the weapons themselves weren't all that powerful so you still had an advantage but it wasn't anything crazy. If they just flesh this out a little more for BO6, maybe include more weapon options to help with the camo grind, it'd potentially please both sides of the community.
The problem is then the point system because you can't get more points with the pistol the old point system allowed you to get points without killing every zombies.
World war II showed what a loadout for zombies should be just a field class, some perks and a weapon select but instead of like every type of weapon to start out with you have a select few
The newer systems is literally just reinventing the wheel and having to deal with it’s glaring flaws instead of just using the wheel that didn’t have a problems and just expanding on it
They cold just limited how much you can upgrade your loadout weapon! Like pack a punch 2 and rarity purple, that way it would give the players motivation to go after the box or a wall buy wille not making the camo grind RNG based.
you could break into the armory to get your loadout in that prison map. you do a tiny quest to build a bomb or something. It's out of the way enough that you don't have to option every game easily but maybe by round 10 you'd get that quest done and get your loadout
They should bring back the bo4 loadout, only weak guns were available, still let you pick the actual starting weapon(the welling) then also let you pick some guns the best being the mog 12, strife, and rk7, but the other 3 options were really weak like starting weapons should be
I guess it's never been a problem for me cause I've never found myself affected by the easier route mindset, I constantly restrict myself in pretty much any game I play, but I do think I understand more why that is an issue for people. I'm still perfectly fine with it, but wouldn't be opposed to seeing the system change into having it so your loadout weapon is something you earn. Could have that loadout drop idea, but it could also be as simple as having a fixed cost wall-buy that's quite expensive, like the cabinet in Nacht BO3 kinda expensive. I also wouldn't mind seeing that last idea you mentioned, though with that idea, I think a more natural way to fit that in as a mode (since I think it'd be weird having that just be a whole separate mode) is through reintroducing difficulties. Say if you're playing on easy and (likely) regular mode, you start in with whatever loadout weapon you choose, but if you're playing on hard or whatever comes after hard, you're forced to spawn in with the 1911, which with some adjustments to loadout tier damage, which I think should be lower anyway, would have that more classic feel that people who aren't a fan of the system crave.
Yeah I mean it does depend on the game and how I'm feeling that day. Something I didn't discuss but is relevant is also the experience with playing in public matches or with friends. You can't control what guns they spawn in with, so chances are, you'd feel left out trying to deal with the pistol instead of just spawning with a better gun. Separate modes would fix this concern though. And yes, some kind of difficulty modes could work as a way to do that.
The suggestions are great, the problem with them though is convenience, they do not want to make anything an inconvenience for the new players they are desperately trying so hard to get and retain, but they fail to realize, once they start giving everything in the mode to you on a silver platter, there is no reason to even play anymore. Another issue with the set crew is the fact that its fucking optional, like why even bother then.. So i can use one of the set crew and hear a few fancy voicelines, meanwhile the other 2-3 teammates are using some weird monstrosity of a operator that they paid for to look cool, at that point its just more immersion breaking, they really need to decide what they want to go with and quit playing both sides, give us a mandatory set crew or just dont honestly. We all know its just so people can show off the $20-30 bundle they just paid for, which i dont blame anyone for wanting to honestly, but there is just too much playing of both sides on everything. You cant cater to everyone at the end of the day, I would go with whatever the surplus of fans are wanting instead of shoving shit that even most casual warzone/mp players dont even want.
I think they should do the one that you mentioned where you have to go and buy your loadout in a certain part of the map like on terminus you have to find the weapons vault and pay points to get it and then on the other one the strike team could crash and you have to find the helicopter crash which is where all your guns are and also pay points to get them there as well
I love BOCW but I’ll still acknowledge it is somewhat of a problem. I’d still say the solution to the problem is way more simple than this video. There’s benefits to being able to spawn in with the Grav and not having to spend the majority of the game spinning for it in the box versus feeling that traditional sense of progression throughout the match. Easy solution is to give players the option start with the traditional pistol or a loadout weapon (specifically if they’re on the dark aether grind) Despite how many people complain about the loadout system, I can guarantee you most players will still choose to spawn in with their weapon of choice and that’s what all of the people who like to complain about it will never admit
The issue has never been that you can use any weapon, it's that the loadout weapons are too powerful. If they made red rarity have comparable damage and starting ammo to old weapons, we wouldn't need to have this discussion.
Unlike zombies from b01 - bo3, I cannot remember a single weapon from bo4 - CW, all of those guns are so forgettable, and with loadouts it makes it more forgettable
Loadouts make contextual sense in Cold War and such, with the whole squad of operators being dropped in by secret organisations and crap. But it's just boring.
Wall weapons and the box were so pointless in Cold War, just choose the most OP gun kitted out with the best attachments and you don't need anything else ever. And the point system sucks cuz why would I use a weak weapon if every weapon gains the same amount of points anyway?
eh it’s something new, feel like they were just adding on year after year first bo2 with bank and fridge, then bo3 with custom weapons you can buy off the walls and everyone liked them. only difference with these new cods is u start with these weapons instead of getting it at best in 2 or 3 rounds.
In CW i can kill with anything, like in old BO's like picking up random smg i've got maxed or pistol, dk why people are upset with loadouts, yeah CW is easier but that's not the argument why loadouts shouldn't be exisitng imo.
I actually dont hate the loadouts in zombies. Combined with rarity, it keeps the felling that your starting weapon is shit and will need to progress to survive. Buuuuuut, as long as there is a bench where you can upgrade the rarity, then, and only then, it became bad. Cause if i couldn't increase the rarity, i would be obligated to buy another random weapons throughout the game. In fact, the rarity system prolongates the stage of the game where you need to change weapons, instead of old zombies where you could find the best one in round 3 and never change it again. But for me, being able to increase it in a bench and buy ammo from any weapon breaks the system
I like it with starter pistols but one idea I have to please everyone is what you said with loadout drops after power but they come with no attachments and when you PAP them you get the attachments you had In the loadout
Honestly. The modern and old zombies are good. What matters the most is having fun in the game, isnt it? I do wanna be honest here. Both old and new zombies have their own cons. Modern having more survival ability Yet classic having less use for firearms after round 40 or 50 Simply: In new zombies you got tiers and triple pack a punch. Which means your firearm is still useable. Zombies got a health cap. Classics have one issue being if you want to go above 50 rounds or 70. Then you will need to constantly use wonderweapons. Depending what map and type of weapon. Simply. Firearms in classic zombies are useable from round 1 to 40 or 50. After that point they are unable to kill easily enemies since they dont have a health cap. The point system in modern zombies honestly sucks. In classic zombies its better since damage means points. And last thing being killstreaks. While in classic zombies theres none. In new zombies it makes the game in my opinion too easy. Example: chopper gunner or self revive will be still made in bocw no matter what. This makes it hard to even call it as a challenge. I mean honestly i am not here to argue since in my opinion both modern and old zombies are great. Just there were things which really ruined modern zombies. The rarity and meta weapons. In classics the thing was gobblegums from bo3 and bo4. And also the fact that surerly nerfs to raygun and changes. Both are good ofc i know its all about people's prefrence
It's a difficult thing to balance. I think both options are cool and should stay, but starting with the pistols is definitely superior imo. There needs to be some sort of clever middle ground to cater both playstyles, which is very difficult to even think about. I also doubt 3arc even gives a fuck about small details like this but I could be wrong.
I’ll keep it a buck: I’m perfectly fine with the Loadouts. I like being able to slay right from the get go, especially with Zombies being cross progression now. There’s only so many Wall Buys on a map. But I’d be fine if activating Power boots up a Loadout Machine, where you can purchase & spend Essence to edit your loadout. Don’t like your optic? Spend some Points to change it for a Red Dot, that sort of idea.
A game for everyone is a game for no one. The only thing these people care about is making a game that the most people will buy. After they buy they aim to keep the player playing as much as possible and spending money, which their patented EOMM system is specifically designed for. I think we’ve really reached the threshold in call of duty’s life cycle that prioritizes greed over all else and I don’t see us coming back.
The bo4 zombie camo grind was atrocious but the cw camo grind was too easy they needa figure out a way to balance it because it was way faster in multiplayer (bo4, i didn't play cw mp I can't say nun about that)
The problem with the game is rarity and loadouts. I hate those two things and thats the reason why guns are so forgettable
nah rarity system was good since you could use any gun in high rounds instead of being stuck using AAT's or wonder weapons. loadout system stinks
There's also just WAY Too many guns Lol
@@phueno1498 Yeah but I feel like it ruins a staple of zombies where it's hard to build yourself back up after getting downed and there was always a challenge. I get what you mean but this is also just another way that shows zombies has gotten easier imo.
@@phueno1498 but making a few guns stand out more than other ones is what make them known. If every gun is good, who will care about other guns. I dont like it and it destroys the aura of older games
@@Diamond-ji2gv A few guns did stand out though, he mentioned in the video that most people would use the m16 or one of the two launch shotguns. Pretty much most other weapons are not worth using.
if I was a zombies developer, I would let people choose between: Play with the map crew with old point system and starting pistol, with all it's atributes and all
OR
Play with a strike team with loadouts BUT you can't do easter eggs, just level up your guns, get camos and get perks and with new point system.
Great idea. This is fire
What about for operators, you can do an easter egg, but a causal version. And with the crew, you get the full in-depth main story easter egg. That way, everyone can experience the story, if you want
@@TannerRox3000 looks great for me too.
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I was about to comment this this should 100% a setting like how blackops 4 did the settings and loadouts
I hate them because the whole starting pistol idea gave you a challenge
It’s getting to the point to where there’s no point in talking to those who like the loadouts. They never listen to anything that we say. You can repeat to them 1000x with valid reasoning and they will dog it off with “you can play the old games” or “you can just spawn in with a pistol”. No matter what reasonable solutions we try and give they just don’t listen.
@@Komani115 you do realize you just posted 2 reasonable reason people gave you and refused to listen. Activisions wants to make money so if they classic system had better player retention I’m sure they would bring it back. It just seems to fall off relatively fast. Think about it. If they could make basically no changes, just new maps and Easter eggs and make the same amount of money, wouldn’t they do that? “Real” zombies got stale, so they upgraded it, with variety, choice, customizing. So, like you pointed out, with some self control, you can spawn in with a pistol, you can only play with 4 perks, you can chose to not pickup armor. It’s just if you have a choice to play with mechanics similar to real zombies or new zombies you chose to play with the new zombies mechanics. And the argument that players want to optimize your play to the max the game will allow doesn’t work because every one said Cold War was soooo easy any ways.
“Just play the old games” is such a dumb argument because it’s not like there’s features that we like in the new games more than the old games
@@playerslayer6923 their are people who pretty much exclusively play older zombies for that very reason. It’s just the majority of people won’t because they do like the way the new one feel better. Even the people who trash talk the new games secretly really like them. They are just stuck on nostalgia.
@@Tac_Tots The video explained pretty well why this is a bad take. You can not replicate the old zombies by just choosing a pistol/not picking up perks. Frankly, you dont even need more than 4 or 5 perks to completely break cold war, I often wont pick up more than that. "Activision wants to make money" yes that is obvious, but they never even gave classic zombies a chance under the new model of free DLC w/ cosmetic microtransactions and crossplay. There is no metric to compare fairly. Dont know what you're referring to because I didn't get any more replies.
@@Tac_Tots No, you cannot just "start with a pistol". Because the pistols are now extremely good and can carry you without even upgrading them to at least wave 10. The game is wholly designed around the loadout system which forces every weapon to be what they call "balanced". The mystery box is now entirely unfun and useless in reality. There's no chance of ending up with a bad weapon at all which was a lot of the fun in old zombies, and the box was a ,massive part of old zombies. Now it's nothing. Nobody uses the box because you can just spawn with whatever you want to use and keep it forever. It's become a place to grind weapon levels and camos and that's it.
CoD developers will always purposely ruin everything that we love and anytime they bring back a feature that used to be the norm they advertise it to us like they’re dangling a fucking cookie from a stick. They have the blueprints for what works and what we love and they still needlessly change it just so they can feel like they’re doing something new and not just copy/pasting.
Any modern day CoD dev can save their useless ideas/attempts at innovation. We don’t want it. You don’t understand Call of Duty. Just keep copying the works of past developers that actually had pride in what they do.
The problem with new zombies is that they are trying to get multiplayer and warzone fans to play opposed to catering to the pre existing zombies fanbase
The new points system is horrible, you only get points on kill from what we can see in bo6
Back in my day, you had you shoot the zombies 8 times in the leg to get the maximum amount of power
That’s the main issue people wanting loadouts for the camo grind….when the fuck did zombies become a camo grind mode that is not the game mode it’s a survival mode
The 1911 in cold war is actually powerful though, so spawning in with that isn't going to feel like older zombies because its just as powerful as every other weapon. When people use this argument I find it funny how they don't even understand the mechanics of the game they love to defend.
Bring back the fridge but you can choose before hand what weapon is in it and it costs like 10k to get your gun, and make it toward the end of the map or require power or pap on. Still similar to warzone how Activision wants it but also closer to classic how we want it.
See I think they should start you off with a pistol and once you get enough points you can buy your loadout or you can do a side quest to get your loadout
Agreed! That would work
so basically warzone but zombies? I suppose maybe it could work
Then people will complain because it’s like Warzone. Also that would literally kill the reason to have the mystery box if you can buy the weapon of your choice.
The only thing they could do is if they make 2 separate modes, one with the old Point system and a starting pistol, and the other with the new system.
@@ALph4ZeR00it wouldnt kill the box bro, unless u can create a class with the ray gun in it then yea it will.
this is a much better system, how the developers never thought of this is beyond me
Weapon loadout will be more useful if weapon loadout was customized to the pack a punch instead of the mystery box and Wall buy the pack a punched and weapon loadout together will make a good combo that's what they should do.
yeah I was thinking earlier starting with whatever gun you want wouldn't make sense at all on Terminus since they just broke out of a cell.
Said it from start loadouts and tier system don't belong in RB zombies espec at the start of the game. How can anyone dispute this it's ridiculous it's the whole point of zombies the progression, gettin wall weapons and the box. Double tap and old point system need to come back too to make auto guns much more useful. Wish the community made the content , u never remove change core features of a mode espec when it's worse and no one has ever complained about. 💯
Fax
For the people who say you could just start with a pistol. This doesn’t account to how other players would have different starting weapons therefore there killing would be different, so the first few rounds are still gonna be different from the games with the classic mechanics because of the change up of strategy because you don’t have a pistol as your default weapon.
But who cares about how other people play. Are you tryna gatekeep zombies or something?
@@lolcow6668He means that in a public lobby, you’ll be putting yourself at a clear disadvantage to every other player on the map. Even in solo, the game is balanced around your ability to take any powerful weapon you want into the game, so starting with a 1911 isn’t the same as it is in something like BO3.
@@lolcow6668Also, screw this anti-gatekeeping sentiment that every virtue signaller is on these days. Games should appeal to people who actually want to invest the time into them, not to the lowest common denominator.
@adambaryliuk3393 Well the issue is then you only get people who are actually skilled enough to do it. Gatekeeping is dumb and inherently by definition selfish but then so is Anti-gatekeeping.
@@adambaryliuk3393 who actually wants to play public? I hate randoms
Yeah the loadout system was fun in cold war, but i would be lying if i said i want to see it again in another game
Here’s my take: I absolutely think the starting pistol or at the very least a selection of few starting weapons would be perfectly fine and balanced. I wouldn’t even mind starting with whatever weapon you want, BUT the main thing I think ruined progression in Cold War was the fact your starting weapons could have more attachments than the ones you buy in game not to mention, the attachments weren’t random which I never understood why it was. It should be like BO3 where you select the attachments for every weapon in the armoury and it appears as such when you buy them. No random attachment bs you can’t change making your starting weapon one you will keep the whole game.
The only way I could see loadout working for the community is if there is an hardcore mode and a casual mode, the casual mode will be like Cold War but no gun attachments, no weapon rarities, and replace field upgrades with specialists, we could have the classic mode have the classic perk system where the perks have their own price, have no perk limit but have the old point system, the classic mode can help people grind for camos and every wonder weapon including the Ray Gun will be infinite damage while the hardcore mode will play like normal cod zombies where you can start out with a weak pistol and only certain wonder weapons do infinite damage and a perk limit(IW perk system)
This guy gets it
@@SpideyShelf Thanks Spidey lol
They are already doing it with black ops 6
@@Nooneishereonlyme me when I make stuff up
@@SpideyShelf No
Tbh I’d 100% rather have loadouts than the scrap system, but the fact that Bo6 has both of those things is extremely worrying. Literally NO reason they needed to add scrap back, especially after MWZ, also the rarity system is such an unnecessary progression step, no ones going to buy a green wallbuy or a green anything. It takes away from packing your gun and seeing the massive increase in damage
The scrap system is needed because you can bring in any weapon but it’s not gonna last you long if you choose to save up as much salvage as you can. It’s meant to carry you through until you unlock pack a punch. I think there should be a limit on revives tho. Loadouts though are fine
@@davemac9563 that what was Fun about it it was difficult but any player new or veteran could do it someone that wasn't Able to do that simple thing is a Jimmy no thumbs
@@davemac9563 its a band aid for the loadout system making it so that treyarch cant really control the progress of a player on a regular run of the map neither symptom nor the cause should even exist
@@davemac9563 they did limit self revives to only 3 per match for bo6 which is good
I will always agree with this, a pistol is always nice because it encourages progression
The devs are trying to appeal to an audience that doesn't exist. Most of the zombies community stopped playing the newer games after bo4 because of the newer mechanics like the new perk system. They are trying to balance things that don't need balancing and making things easier to fit to newer audiences when most of the audience has been the same through out the games. The games have been getting easier since WaW when they added perks and pack a punch and bo3 with gobble gums. These were fine additions as they added new layers and more progression, but completely revamping the mechanics to make the game even easier just ruins the point of the challenge and progression. In games like cold war the gameplay is more static by starting with the same op weapons when in older games needing to hit the box and get random weapons and adapting to get to the next box hit. I don't mean to be blinded by nostalgia I enjoyed cold war I just think the loadout system should be slimmer with less stronger weapons like ww2 and bo4. You could maybe start with different pistols like the 1911 that pack a punches into grenade bullets or the b32r that pack a punches and is full auto. I just think starting with stronger weapons removes the fun of progressing with a weak gun and making your way to a wall buy or box.
Cold War and MWZ were literally said to be some of the most successful third modes.
@@paradoxinraindrops141 They were also pointed to the larger multiplayer community meaning a different larger audience is playing those zombies.
@@paradoxinraindrops141if one goes to play a mode just because it has the easiest way of prgoressing said weap and that way the mode's player count is like higher than before, does that make the mode automatically more better / successful?
I doubt.
You do understand that most of the ACTUAL community grew up and have jobs and kids now. The online community was always such a small portion of zombies and only really peaked with bo3. The majority of zombies players are casual players who don’t care about playing the game for 8 hours to get to round 100.
Making the newer games easier doesn’t erase the old games you can go back to. Let the newer games go their own path and don’t buy them if you don’t like. MWZ will never take away the WAW-bo4 games from us.
@@Ultimateman Yes, that still means it’s successful. More people played a third mode than ever, between those two games.
Honestly, I really like the loadout system and I understand the reasoning as to why people hate it because when Cold War was revealed and we heard about the loadout system I thought that was the worst thing possible for them to add but after using it during the games life cycle I realised its not that bad and there is one reason as to why and that’s camo grinding, since bo4 I’ve really gotten invested in grinding camos in cod and although I’ve only ever gotten the max camo on 2 cods Bo4 multiplayer and Cold War zombies, I like the grind and Cold War was a fun grind and the loadouts helped alot because I could just spawn in with the gun that I was working on so yeah honestly I don’t mind it, it would be cool to have some type of middle ground though like I’ve seen people say they could add loadouts once the power is turned on that wouldn’t be that bad but either way I’m happy loadouts are in the game because it will make the camo grind this year a lot easier opposed to them not having it in as the grind will become 100x longer as I have to push my luck with the box.
Also, I’ve been playing zombies since bo1 and I’m a pretty good player so it’s not like I like loadouts because I’m bad and it makes it easier, I only like it because it makes the camo grind a lot more enjoyable and it’s just different aswell.
The default map should be without loadouts, but you have the choise to go in with a load out but the easter eggs are locked
They should just bring back the difficulty system or make separate game modes. A game mode where you spawn in with a pistol and there’s a 4-5 perk limit.
the amount of times ive just spawned in with the streetsweeper and pack a punched it on cold war and never touched another gun... the rarity and loadout system needs to go it literally makes the mystery box useless and ruins the progression of the game
I used to love it
Then I played BO3 and realized that.
When you have every gun in the game can be equally as viable as a light machine guns. Having more ammo at the cost of being slow to reload and are a snail stops being overpowered and an awesome pull from the box because an SMG has the same amount of ammo and damage but you are fast and reload in the blink of an eye.
Unequal leads to the actual gambling sense that the mystery box actually allowed.
This video reminded me that we're never getting classic zombies again
Honestly Cold War has aged, we now see a lot of its systems have flaws that break the game.
I don't even care about rarity or the shield anymore!!! I just want a starting pistol and the old points system! I don't care about anything else, not even double tap since I doubt they'll bring it back. 😭
then play the old games you ''old school'' player
@@Redmont_just go play Cold War
play with friends then
Just load in with the weakest pistol....?
Loadouts will only be acceptable if they remove weapon rarity or bring back bo4 system
Along with a wall buy of every gun across the maps, there could be a mystery box event system, where one weekend you could be getting much more of a certain weapon type like ARs from the box or when a new weapon is released there could be an event that heavily boosts its drop chance from the box.
I think so long as it’s damage is better scaled to the rounds then to okay. The fact that we have weapon kits back gives higher incentive to use wall weapons and the box again. Honestly it seems like it could really work in BO6 from what I’ve seen and heard. We’ll see though
one thing i quickly realized with the new point system is that guns like SMGs and ARs became kinda arbitrary. the reason they were the go to in old
games was for the classic point system, they just helped with points and then later you could get that actual shotgun wonder weapon whatever for kills.
now ARs and SMGs constantly feel like they’re useless to me, they’re slow to kill usually and just have 0 incentive when things like the explosive or shotguns do the same thing but faster now which is important considering it’s tied to kills for some reason
I’m not a fan of loadouts I think if they had to have it I’d like black ops 4s were you could only pick a few guns
I'd be okay with BO4s system
Their is no reason to get rid of loadouts, if you want to have a classic zombies expierience with a starting pistol, this spawn the M1911 with no attachments, only allow attachments when you pack-a-punch, cod zombies gives you this option. They never needed to make a mode for it, or change it back... This is a good system.
Bo6 did slightly change it as we recently learned. That you will have 2 guns, and a knife. Slot for loadouts from what i heard/seen. Plus being able to spawn with anything you want... Makes it so much easier to test certain weapons on high rounds. After i was finished with my testing i strictly spawned with the m1911 because thats what i prefer. I prefered spawning with a pistol. Cold war had the perfect system... Especially since we had blueprints we made and could use... We had the opportunity to play how we wanted. Black ops 6 not having blueprints and going back to something like bo4, where when you buy the weapon it has those attatchments... Means you have to prepare now. Understand what your wanting... And make the best of the best. And just have fun. Calm down, zombies is a silly gamemode... Meant to be fun. Its a game... We dont need to argue about loadouts or starting rounds/round based, we just need to have fun. Its a video game. Grow up.
Ill even say, with starting the m1911, its good! I absolutely love this pistol. Its a great pistol. Not mustang and Sally's i was disappointed with that. But i still enjoyed the pain/pain & suffering.
Its like the boomhilda.
Oh and this phycologically stuff. Stop. If your running through this issue of "oh i have to do this because everyone else is" thats just wrong. You don't have to do this stuff to enjoy the game. Its a video game.
You play how you want, if you want to exploit go ahead if you want to glitch. Go ahead. Im bot going to do that because i have standards. Im not using gobblegum because they made the game way too easy. Im not using the tombstone glitch because i enjoy the game and want to play it.
Calm down. Seriously. This is a video game.
Did you do cold war's camo grind? Those first 1-8 rounds are ESENTIAL. Because higher the round you go less xp you get now. Meaning you need those lower rounds for XP to level your weapons to get the camo grind started.
imagine if the devs were actually in touch with the original creators.
Yeah, I can't imagine what Jimmy or Jason would think of the starting pistol being gone lol.
Whats stopping you from infiling with the worst gun in the game please tell me
@@nahfr.common sense
@@Toniestbook lol, this is what the players want to do no? So do they lack common sense?
@@nahfr. besides you missing the main point not really
I would love if there was a sort of personal difficulty setting where you can start with a loadout or a classic start with the weakest gun. The problem is that for that system for work the balancing for the game would have to be basically completely reworked for the classic start, or have the entire game balanced arround one of the two modes, which would alienate either side depending on how the balancing is. While I kinda understand and appreciate them trying to make everything viable in zombies, it ended up making the guns really same-y and not that different from each other, and of course the complete obsoletion of the mystery box and wallbuys, as well as map specific weapon pools being gone now. Before we saw any trailers or any leaks, I already assuned rarity and loadouts would come back due to them being in Vanguard and MW3, but I was hoping they would balance guns and loadouts in a way that other guns that aren't your starter gun could be attractive/worth getting
Instead of spawning in with a starting pistol/knife and having custom loadouts,
I think they should implement a Signature Weapon for each Character in the game.
So instead of those two things we instead start off with a character specific signature weapon for each character.
Its kinda like changing from perk bottles to perk cans.
Examples:
Takeos Katana Sword,
Robert Englunds Garden Fork thingo 😄,
Alistair Rhodeses Folly.
Do youse understand what i’m trying to convey?
That's actually such a fucking cool idea
They should have stuck with the wall kits from BO3 🤦♂️, or/and do a weapon upgrade/mastery thing that levels up you gun slowly from red to legendary and reset you weapon rarity for rewards like camos and calling cards, maybe a Weaponized 115 camo for each rarity. (Red, green, blue, purple, and orange.)
Edit: maybe even weapon blueprints that turns the gun into a zombie related thing (like the XM4 into a Raygun MKll version or the Tundra into a Wunderwaffle Sniper with the weapon effects too
at the end of the day, the main things I care about for zombies are the main quests and the difficulty of high rounding. In the blog they say that Main Quests will be more difficult in BO6, and also that theres a 3 per game limit on self revive purchases every match, which already makes the game more difficult than cold war, even with gobblegums. loadouts are whatever, I don't really care wether there's starting pistol or loadouts
IMO what I would like to see is universal camos for zombies, that way you don’t need to grind up a specific gun, but instead can get different camos by completing different tasks, getting to different waves, completing Easter eggs, etc instead of needing loadouts to grind
My new understanding of the community is that
It’s become such a big community, that you can’t possibly please everyone ever anymore, so concessions have to be made
As much as we feel like a majority, we are a minority that complains, the majority isn’t on UA-cam or Twitter voicing their opinions
If removing a system means they loose the new majority they gained the pass 4 titles, you can bet your money they won’t do it
We don’t want starter weapons, but some people do, we want a PaP animation, some don’t
Whatever they do, they gonna loose people, this is the point were you sacrifice a part of that community to grow, or you listen and keep it stale
I’m in a mostly agreement, despite me playing solo always with a pistol, some play public games (for some reason) and would be disadvantaged by doing so
Idk, I just think this isn’t our game, if they want to make vanguard 2.0, as much as we’d hate it, we’d have no say in it, I’m tired of the entitlement of the community, yes you played a lot and are a fan, but respect the wishes of the devs to evolve the formula
I remember it like yesterday when CoD’s main complaint was basically “It’s the same game every year, make some change” now they did and y’all still yapping and complaining
Tldr: You can’t please everyone so might aswell go against the minority (us)
Instead of spawning with a Gun you should use the Arsenal system in Bo6 to be able to get your loadout like what Cod mobile has
I'd be down for that
If I was treyarch my perfect solution for all parties would be:
•loadout is just a selected starting ‘pistol’, field upgrade & gobblegum pack
•Bring back weapon kits for customisations
•Bring back an updated version of the fridge system from tranzit where before you die or exfil if you put your weapon in the fridge it will be there in your next game however will be cooled down (unpacked) it also will cost a hefty price to retrieve it from the fridge, this will give camo grinders another option that isn’t as intrusive to the game flow as the loadout System and also adds risk reward factor
Tldr: the reason this system feels like shit and why alot of zombie players stopped buying the newer cods is because... You guessed it you dont earn or work towards something, there is no risk/reward, every game of og zombies felt genuinely different. Now its spawn in with whatever you want you dont work towards something
I know this video was made before the news about the zombies mode come out, but weapon kits have returned! It validates wallbuys and mystery box weapons again
Respin cycle also got buffed and it upgrades the next weapon tier from the box by 1 level.
For those who want to grind camos, why not just have onslaught. Camo grinding should not take priority over the core gameplay. This imo is what happens when you get multiplayer and warzone players in the mode…
I’m praying for the multiple game mode possibility🙏 I’ve hated zombies for the last 6 years…
Great video! I also think that the best solution is to have 2 seperate modes. One that is hardcore with old points system, starting with a pistol and some other old features while the ”casual” mode or easy mode should let people play with operators, loadouts etc.
I have an idea on how to deal with the fans who like load outs: ignore them!
That argument ignores many of the points people have been making in regard to why they don't like the loadout system though
@@Xpertfusion I meant to ignore the people who would protest the removal of loadouts. Loadouts don’t belong in zombies.
@@lordofthebuckets2676 ohhh my bad, I misread you. I don’t like ignoring discussion though. As long as everyone remains civil, it’s fine to debate these things.
Honestly no matter what is changed with any of the new systems, it’s still gonna be the same unless completely removed and back to square one.
Forced to start with a pistol but you can buy your loadout weapon later? Both wall and box weapons are still useless because why spin the box for guns with random attachments when you can get a fully kitted out gun with attachments you yourself chose.
A casual mode where it’s the new system and a hardcore mode where it’s the old system? Why would anyone choose the hardcore mode? When they could just choose casual mode and make the game easier for themselves.
Faster XP gain for Hardcore? There’s more than likely gonna be a cap to the XP for weapons so there’d be once again, no reason for anyone to choose Hardcore mode.
It is just downright impossible to have both the forced 1911 start and spawn with loadout crowds happy at the same time.
One way I think it could work is where wall weapons are randomised within a weapon category. So instead of it being an m16 wall weapon or a spas 12 wall weapon it's a shotgun wall weapon or an assault rifle wall weapon. I think this works slightly better than the map specific wall weapons because I'm pretty sure they will stop releasing zombies maps before they stop releasing weapons, so at the end of the game's lifecycle there would be some weapons that are super annoying to get from the box.
I like the separate mode idea, it would be good as a super easter egg reward but that would mean camo grinding would be annoying until every map released. One idea I had that is similar is where the mode that has loadouts gives you reduced xp gain and the starting pistol mode gives better xp gain. This would give a choice to the player of whether thy want to risk it for the better rates or go for the guaranteed weapon.
A game catered to bad players forcing above average or average players to play casually is a horrible system. Most of the mechanics in Cold War was a failed experiment. Hopefully with them bringing back gobble gums we're going to get a classic feel to zombies. Which is very much needed in zombies.
no we won't. BO6 is gonna suck the same way Cold War does
@@Rabi2in You were right. All we got was the same lame mechanics and Warzone assets that doesn't belong in a zombies mode. Black Ops 6 zombies is a MWZ DLC expansion pack. It's lazy development, especially on the map Liberty Falls. The black Ops 4 zombies hate was unnecessary. I never thought that zombies would get this bad after Jason Blundell left. We are down bad without quick revive, tombstone or dying wish.
@@ScottyDoesnt_Know Black Ops 4 does get a bit too much hate, but there's definetly a lot of things to criticize about that game
@@Rabi2in the hate was unnecessary and only because a few things were taken away like jug and speed cola. Everything else was based on a skill or just not taking the time to learn. I'd rather have a Black Ops 6 with a continuation of the Chaos Story that what these lazy developers created. The community would have gotten over the technicalities with Black Ops 4 than to get used to playing Warzone with zombies on it.
@@ScottyDoesnt_Know No, the problem with BO4 is that the perk system fundementally does not make sense.
Choosing your perks before a match in a gamemode where in match progression is everything is such an unbelievably bad idea that i wonder who even came up with it. Not being able to adapt your playstyle on the fly is a massive downgrade from previous systems (especially IW).
For Example: If you don't have PhD in your loadout you cannot use Explosive Weapons effectively. You just can't. The only way to fix this is with Secret Sauce, which turns BO4s perk system into a more convoluted and messy BO3 system.
Spawning in with Specialists also makes all the maps blend together and makes the early game way too easy, having a starting pistol that can melee one hit until round 5 also doesn't help.
Chaos, while a good story, was handled disasterously bad. We were dropped into the middle of the story, Aether was left on a cliffhanger and the first 2 DLCs were Chaos, then Chaos was left on a Cliffhanger.
The entire execution of the story was a complete catastrophy.
I could go on but these are the main pain points of BO4
The should bring back the weapon kits system from BO3, start us off with an M1911 pls
they are bringing back weapon kits from bo3 but i highly doubt their gonna get rid of the loadout system
I mentioned this in a reddit post regarding the same topic but I felt as if BO4's system was the best of both worlds, where you had loadout options but they were very limited, and you had to progress to unlock new starting weapons. Even then the weapons themselves weren't all that powerful so you still had an advantage but it wasn't anything crazy. If they just flesh this out a little more for BO6, maybe include more weapon options to help with the camo grind, it'd potentially please both sides of the community.
Saw this go down on Twitter. Some real brain rot opinions there
I will say though, I respect all opinions, even ones that might be slightly brain rot
Just start with a pistol no loadouts the point of zombies is to play zombies not level up or get camoes for your multiplayer guns
The problem is then the point system because you can't get more points with the pistol the old point system allowed you to get points without killing every zombies.
BO6 is gonna suck i can already tell
Only thing I don't like about load out is the fact that they got rid of mustang and Sally
Bo4 had the perfect loadout system. With weapons that werent far too powerful, but they were still good starting choices
The m1911 in Cold War is super strong with over 200 bullets, not weak at all
World war II showed what a loadout for zombies should be just a field class, some perks and a weapon select but instead of like every type of weapon to start out with you have a select few
The newer systems is literally just reinventing the wheel and having to deal with it’s glaring flaws instead of just using the wheel that didn’t have a problems and just expanding on it
Great video as idea to get loadouts be to do super easter egg for game
Thanks!
They cold just limited how much you can upgrade your loadout weapon!
Like pack a punch 2 and rarity purple, that way it would give the players motivation to go after the box or a wall buy wille not making the camo grind RNG based.
you could break into the armory to get your loadout in that prison map. you do a tiny quest to build a bomb or something. It's out of the way enough that you don't have to option every game easily but maybe by round 10 you'd get that quest done and get your loadout
They should bring back the bo4 loadout, only weak guns were available, still let you pick the actual starting weapon(the welling) then also let you pick some guns the best being the mog 12, strife, and rk7, but the other 3 options were really weak like starting weapons should be
I guess it's never been a problem for me cause I've never found myself affected by the easier route mindset, I constantly restrict myself in pretty much any game I play, but I do think I understand more why that is an issue for people. I'm still perfectly fine with it, but wouldn't be opposed to seeing the system change into having it so your loadout weapon is something you earn. Could have that loadout drop idea, but it could also be as simple as having a fixed cost wall-buy that's quite expensive, like the cabinet in Nacht BO3 kinda expensive.
I also wouldn't mind seeing that last idea you mentioned, though with that idea, I think a more natural way to fit that in as a mode (since I think it'd be weird having that just be a whole separate mode) is through reintroducing difficulties. Say if you're playing on easy and (likely) regular mode, you start in with whatever loadout weapon you choose, but if you're playing on hard or whatever comes after hard, you're forced to spawn in with the 1911, which with some adjustments to loadout tier damage, which I think should be lower anyway, would have that more classic feel that people who aren't a fan of the system crave.
Yeah I mean it does depend on the game and how I'm feeling that day.
Something I didn't discuss but is relevant is also the experience with playing in public matches or with friends. You can't control what guns they spawn in with, so chances are, you'd feel left out trying to deal with the pistol instead of just spawning with a better gun. Separate modes would fix this concern though.
And yes, some kind of difficulty modes could work as a way to do that.
I really hope they buff the mystery box so it’s actually worth using. That’s what I miss most about old zombies.
The suggestions are great, the problem with them though is convenience, they do not want to make anything an inconvenience for the new players they are desperately trying so hard to get and retain, but they fail to realize, once they start giving everything in the mode to you on a silver platter, there is no reason to even play anymore.
Another issue with the set crew is the fact that its fucking optional, like why even bother then.. So i can use one of the set crew and hear a few fancy voicelines, meanwhile the other 2-3 teammates are using some weird monstrosity of a operator that they paid for to look cool, at that point its just more immersion breaking, they really need to decide what they want to go with and quit playing both sides, give us a mandatory set crew or just dont honestly. We all know its just so people can show off the $20-30 bundle they just paid for, which i dont blame anyone for wanting to honestly, but there is just too much playing of both sides on everything. You cant cater to everyone at the end of the day, I would go with whatever the surplus of fans are wanting instead of shoving shit that even most casual warzone/mp players dont even want.
I think they should do the one that you mentioned where you have to go and buy your loadout in a certain part of the map like on terminus you have to find the weapons vault and pay points to get it and then on the other one the strike team could crash and you have to find the helicopter crash which is where all your guns are and also pay points to get them there as well
I love BOCW but I’ll still acknowledge it is somewhat of a problem. I’d still say the solution to the problem is way more simple than this video.
There’s benefits to being able to spawn in with the Grav and not having to spend the majority of the game spinning for it in the box versus feeling that traditional sense of progression throughout the match. Easy solution is to give players the option start with the traditional pistol or a loadout weapon (specifically if they’re on the dark aether grind)
Despite how many people complain about the loadout system, I can guarantee you most players will still choose to spawn in with their weapon of choice and that’s what all of the people who like to complain about it will never admit
The issue has never been that you can use any weapon, it's that the loadout weapons are too powerful. If they made red rarity have comparable damage and starting ammo to old weapons, we wouldn't need to have this discussion.
Unlike zombies from b01 - bo3, I cannot remember a single weapon from bo4 - CW, all of those guns are so forgettable, and with loadouts it makes it more forgettable
Loadouts make contextual sense in Cold War and such, with the whole squad of operators being dropped in by secret organisations and crap. But it's just boring.
Wall weapons and the box were so pointless in Cold War, just choose the most OP gun kitted out with the best attachments and you don't need anything else ever. And the point system sucks cuz why would I use a weak weapon if every weapon gains the same amount of points anyway?
I’ve almost never bought a wall buy in CW
Why the hell are you grinding camos in zombies
eh it’s something new, feel like they were just adding on year after year first bo2 with bank and fridge, then bo3 with custom weapons you can buy off the walls and everyone liked them. only difference with these new cods is u start with these weapons instead of getting it at best in 2 or 3 rounds.
loadouts can only work if they go back to the old point system since you could use weaker weapons for more points for example pistols
Thank you for making this video because people bastardise this point so much and it’s so annoying 😂🔥
In CW i can kill with anything, like in old BO's like picking up random smg i've got maxed or pistol, dk why people are upset with loadouts, yeah CW is easier but that's not the argument why loadouts shouldn't be exisitng imo.
Are you still doing the playing every zombies map streams?
Yes! I should be doing the next stream sometime this week.
Awesome video bro
Glad you liked it!
I actually dont hate the loadouts in zombies. Combined with rarity, it keeps the felling that your starting weapon is shit and will need to progress to survive. Buuuuuut, as long as there is a bench where you can upgrade the rarity, then, and only then, it became bad. Cause if i couldn't increase the rarity, i would be obligated to buy another random weapons throughout the game. In fact, the rarity system prolongates the stage of the game where you need to change weapons, instead of old zombies where you could find the best one in round 3 and never change it again. But for me, being able to increase it in a bench and buy ammo from any weapon breaks the system
If they randomize the wall buys and make them legendary early itll make wall buys worth it
Mystery box isn’t cool anymore. I don’t ever spin it.
I like it with starter pistols but one idea I have to please everyone is what you said with loadout drops after power but they come with no attachments and when you PAP them you get the attachments you had In the loadout
Or you can't upgrade your loadout wepen to make people change it when they go to round 10 because the wepen become useless
The rarity system has got to go idc if you like it or not but I will never defend it. Can really just be annoying and immersion breaking sometimes
Maybe they could make it so the starting weapon can’t get upgraded weather it’s the rarity or pack a punch
Honestly.
The modern and old zombies are good.
What matters the most is having fun in the game, isnt it?
I do wanna be honest here. Both old and new zombies have their own cons.
Modern having more survival ability
Yet classic having less use for firearms after round 40 or 50
Simply:
In new zombies you got tiers and triple pack a punch. Which means your firearm is still useable. Zombies got a health cap.
Classics have one issue being if you want to go above 50 rounds or 70.
Then you will need to constantly use wonderweapons. Depending what map and type of weapon.
Simply. Firearms in classic zombies are useable from round 1 to 40 or 50.
After that point they are unable to kill easily enemies since they dont have a health cap.
The point system in modern zombies honestly sucks.
In classic zombies its better since damage means points.
And last thing being killstreaks. While in classic zombies theres none.
In new zombies it makes the game in my opinion too easy.
Example: chopper gunner or self revive will be still made in bocw no matter what.
This makes it hard to even call it as a challenge.
I mean honestly i am not here to argue since in my opinion both modern and old zombies are great.
Just there were things which really ruined modern zombies. The rarity and meta weapons.
In classics the thing was gobblegums from bo3 and bo4. And also the fact that surerly nerfs to raygun and changes.
Both are good ofc i know its all about people's prefrence
It's a difficult thing to balance. I think both options are cool and should stay, but starting with the pistols is definitely superior imo. There needs to be some sort of clever middle ground to cater both playstyles, which is very difficult to even think about. I also doubt 3arc even gives a fuck about small details like this but I could be wrong.
I’ll keep it a buck: I’m perfectly fine with the Loadouts. I like being able to slay right from the get go, especially with Zombies being cross progression now. There’s only so many Wall Buys on a map.
But I’d be fine if activating Power boots up a Loadout Machine, where you can purchase & spend Essence to edit your loadout. Don’t like your optic? Spend some Points to change it for a Red Dot, that sort of idea.
i only like loadouts because its way faster to grind camos
A game for everyone is a game for no one. The only thing these people care about is making a game that the most people will buy. After they buy they aim to keep the player playing as much as possible and spending money, which their patented EOMM system is specifically designed for. I think we’ve really reached the threshold in call of duty’s life cycle that prioritizes greed over all else and I don’t see us coming back.
The bo4 zombie camo grind was atrocious but the cw camo grind was too easy they needa figure out a way to balance it because it was way faster in multiplayer (bo4, i didn't play cw mp I can't say nun about that)
I vividly remember in bo1 and bo2 days there were people who wanted loadouts
If there gonna bring back loadout for the love of god the meta better not be LMGs and Shotguns again like Cold War
Just make us get our loadout weapon from the box, that would give it some kind of use