By the way, there's one more "outcome" for the Dogtown Saints gig. Since the dialogue options show that Nika and the Scavs didn't want to kill anyone, I decided to take them all non lethaly. If you do this, and allow both Nika and Anderson to live, Mr Hands will tell you that "you even spared the Scavs, which means they will have no reason to go after Anderson in the future". I'm guessing this also changes the dialogue with Nika a bit at her brother's funeral, but I haven't seen it yet.
strangely, I've only got the message from Hands, that Anderson will have more resources to work with thanks to me, even though I've knocked out everyone...
I love the Leon Rinder gig because of the reference to Johnny. JS's real name, Robert John Linder, is a clear anagram to Leon Rinder. Leon is literally a Johnny, who stayed in the army instead of running away like Silverhand did. It's like an alternative universe, where Johnny stays in the army and becomes something like Leon: used, broken and forgotten by the higher ups
u know an anagram means all the sam letters but differently arranged? 😅 it doesnt work at all here, because Robert John Linder and Leon Rinder have different letter counts 😂
The thing about sparing Rinder is that people often conflate the concepts of Justice and Revenge. Revenge is an emotional response, "He hit me so I get to hit him." Justice is about making things right. Maybe you can't undo the damage, but you can at least try to make amends so people can live a little better.
As far as Talent Academy goes, my philosophy is very simple: it doesn’t matter if the practice will continue elsewhere. Right now, in front of me, there is evil in the world, and if I want to make the world a better place, I have to take them out. So for me, she dies. Yes, a lot of the kids that are currently there will have bad times, but leaving her alive will create a bad time for countless people in the future.
I fail to see why such a global for profits organization wouldn't simply replace her with another person to run that branch... Besides, that's not even how corpos work, unless you killed all the staff in there, someone else would instantly replace her.
@@Napoleonic_Sgetting killed for being in charge is the deterrent. it sends a message. the next person who steps up of thinks to step up assumes the risk of getting lead poisoning in their skull
@@Napoleonic_Sthey almost certainly will replace her, but if day one her replacement has to get janitorial to clean up the bits of brain and blood spatter all over their office and hire a whole new staff because the last one caught a case of high velocity lead poisoning they might make better choices. It's like the father/son XBD duo, will someone replace them, probably, but it'll be someone else because they're dead.
leave her alive until after you make the deal with her to help Tommy, then shoot her and Johnny will cheer... now fast travel to the stadium and find out you made Tommy happy. Everyone wins lmao
Talent academy is my favorite quest in the game because none of these quest ms have ever made my blood boil in the way learning about the sports academy did. Seeing the way the kids are kept like animals, experiencing the auction, reading about the tons of lives ruined. It was an anger that no game has ever made me feel. Obviously I know destroying her wasn’t going to suddenly solve the issue, but it’s a Jotaro situation where she just deserves it.
i am 180 degrees the other way, we are there because they do not pay taxes. However our employer is the EEC, why would i bother about unpaid taxes ? you see animals in cages, i see kids in their dormitories getting top care and all the tools to succeed. It sucks for those who dont but both sides are aware of the risk beforehand. When you walk past the dormitories you can talk to the girl and ask her who brought her here to which she replies " i applied myself" and some ecstatic response about how happy she was to get chosen... Who am i to take away that opportunity ?
@@nicoreus4486 I don't agree with your opinion. But I understand why you would say that. Me on the other hand, I'm more poetic. I don't care about the kids, I don't care about the parents, I don't care about the personnel of the talent academy. They are all pieces of shet who should be well aware of the risks. And the director should be well aware of a killer knocking on her door. She knew the risks. Just like the kids. Just like the parents. Just like the employees.
You can also see Rinder during the Balls to the Walls Side quest. He’s the one who says “I would have dragged him more” referring to Hanson beating the shit out of Paco
One thing worth mentioning is in the Childs Sports Academy you can find records mentioning Jackies childhood friend and hero Dante, revealing he was actually cyber-doped too.
In the Maldonado gig -- if you wait by the VIP door, you can get into VIP via an arrogant corpo who gets kicked out. He'll complain to V for a few minutes, then open the door for you.
I tried chatting him up but unfortunately I must’ve offended him because he did not open the door for me. I had to infiltrate the other side of the building just to find the terrible to open it. That gig is a bloody nightmare if you’re going for the stealthy approach…
A weird thing that happened in Talent Academy for me was agreeing to the deal with Fiona and having Tommie be signed, then immediately killing her. When I went back to the stadium and talked to Tommie, he confirms that he got signed and will play in Europe. It's either a bug (2.0, not 2.1), or Fiona works really fast and that there are teams lined up to get any one of her athletes.
They fixed this in 2.1 (at least in mine) because I also thought myself slick to do this exact thing, agree to deal and then kill her straight away. Tommy didn't get signed in mine.
Fun fact: On Waiting For Dodger, I used System Collapse on all the soldiers... While it's non-lethal, since the hack technically shuts down all their tech, the check at the end fails because Dodger's second checks the biomon feed for the men to see if they're living and all their biomons are offline, so... But I was still able to exit without a fight with another speech check (think it was Body?). Once the two cops were out (idiots ran me over on the way out!), I turned around and zeroed Dodger anyway, because I'm a bastard.
It’s glitched now to where even after choosing the correct dialogue and Dodger premier the officers to leave, they run over V and one of Dodger’s men triggering them all to attack you. Kind of funny but also can be frustrating if you’re trying to take it serious…
The most anticipated video of all time . Watched all ur gigs video. Cant imagine how hard it is to too look into every nitty grity detail about gigs . Much love sam ❤. Also probably the longest ? 1 hr + Jesus 😅
I just finished up my first playthrough of Cyberpunk, got it when the DLC and 2.0 came out and ive gotta say, the writing on these quests is something else. I tried to take the best path for all and then watching this and realising the slight differences in attitude and selections are what Roleplaying is all about for me! Different solutions depending on who the player is trying to be.
Yeah, i was playing through The Hands gigs in Dogtown and was like "damn, do I just not remember clearly or are these way more substantial missions than other gigs?"
In “The Man Who Killed Jason Foreman” gig by the Scav operations board you see a picture of a woman, the same picture you see on the memorial tree outside of The Moth. The man drinking tequila seems to be talking about to this picture. Just a nod to the attention the detail CDPR put into the Phantom Liberty expansion
The Woman and the Kid whose shards are around the tree are also shown in that mission to have been taken by the scavs, with the kid implied to have either died on damirs table or used for some other reason since he was supposed to be delivered back to his mother after they tore his spinal cord out
This video perfectly incapsulates why I I love this game so much. You can play through the game twice and have a completely different ending to every gig here, and some back in NC. It's perfect
Regarding the ambush after Roads to Redemption, in case we've already rescued Tiny Mike, it would be awesome to have him give us a heads-up, since these guys were mercs from the Afterlife and were gathering the crew there, while TM was sitting at his small table (probably still offended that we blew him off when he asked us to join him for 50th time). I mean maybe they weren't doing it specifically at the club, but it is a possibility!
Ill be honest, my favorite part of the "waiting for Dodger" quest is the hilarious bug at the end. While leaving Bill and Charlie can hit one of Dodger's men with their car, causing combat. I thought it was intentional at first, going to show how inept the two are.
I created my own headcanon for my V. Something fun that I like to do for most the games i play. Anyway, before Phantom Liberty was even a rumor, the headcanon for my V was “the son of Corpo higherups, who was turned into an experimental weapon by chipping him with all kinds of chrome since he was a child. It makes V all sorts of wrecked emotionally and mentally, but also a ruthless weapon. Fast forward to Phantom Liberty, and the exact gig happens that perfectly ties into this headcanon. It made my V’s choice very easy though. V was beyond horrified and enraged by the “athletics program” and burned it all to the ground, no hesitation.
I'm currently doing a corpo playthrough where I've got a similar idea - that V was being raised to become a next generation Arasaka Ninja, like Oda and Takemura. Looking the part thanks to mods (Cyberbody type 8 is great), and running pistols & mantis blades. This kind of story makes the most sense for V IMO. This 23 year old with no proper training is one of the strongest mercs in NC History, so the idea that they're chipped with a whole bunch of advanced tech and trained from birth to be Arasaka elite explains it well.
On Jason Foreman's computer you can also find an email sent by Jack Mausser, the merc and club owner you're hired to kill in one of Dino's gigs. It's pretty funny because he asks for help laying low for a month or so to then return, yet agin, to Night City, contrary to V's warnings. I guess this only happens if you complete that gig before this one.
I really appreciate all of the work you put into these videos. When I was playing through these gigs, I admittedly did not pay attention to the details because I knew you'd come out with a video that explained them in a much more logical way. Your videos also make me reflect on the ethical implications of different gig choices. I like how you add this subtle moral dimension to your content.
Made the correct choices for the "waiting for dodger" gig and I was rewarded with the best ending, I was laughing my ass off at the end cutscene. S Tier Gig guaranteed for me
@@marcoliver625 At first I thought it was a bug. And I replayed it 2 more times for the same outcome. But then I was like: It really is in character for these IDIOTS to run over a guard while driving away, and leaving V behind to handle the enraged Dodger. I know it is a bug, but I like this one.
Damn that LoTR is gold. You can still resolve the "Waiting for Dodger" peacefully even if you kill all the guards if you have max STR if I remember correctly.
I have max strength and gorilla arms. After getting to the part where he checks if they’re alive, he attacked me without any dialogue checks when hearing they’re all dead.
@@RodgerSkelton Yep probably cool. I kinda miss what attribute check was it since I need to pick it as fast as I can coz I was too busy reading the other option. Basically V would intimidate Dodger with his/ her chromes and how it is a bad idea to piss V off.
As someone who can't help but search for EVERY piece of lore, backstory, callback, or secret in video games, all of your videos are absolute godsends! Fantastic work!
I have a glitch with Dodger: as he spares us, cops drives out and slightly rides on Dodger's (or his goon's) foot. Cops dismissed safely and all the dodger's band attacks me. So there is no peaceful solution for me even if I just run away - cops are free from Dodger's threats. Maybe the game considers the Dodger's aggression as his death eventually
You are my favorite Cyberpunk youtuber! Thank you for all the investigative and testing that you do for all of your videos! It is greatly appreciated and has saved me loads of time! Keep up the amazing work!
Amazing video, so many things I've missed! Very cool to see to what length CDPR went to interconnect all these discoverable tiny hints, data shards and "coincidences". Thank you for taking the time and effort to show us how deep the rabbit hole truly goes!
I had a very interesting variant on the dodger mission, where after talking my way free, they ran over one of his goons on the way out and I had to kill them all, I though it was magical - after screwing up, getting saved, they screw up ...again
Choom!, after watching this video I realized that I messed up a lot of gigs that could have ended much better, I think I totally underestimated the importance of reading all the text files and making a connection between them, probably to due to my lack of memory or maybe I'm too focused on completing the mission. right now I feel like I've experienced CP less than half of what I could have done. I'm happy to have discovered you! I'll subscribe right away, great job!
Dude I just discovered your gigs deepdive series, I cant do another playthrough man, its going to be another 100 hours put into the game. Im just going to have to do the Dogtown ones for now. amazing work my man.
I love how many of these gigs/missions in dog town have an option to lie and say you’ll let the target go only to get a reward from them then you can ice them and get the OG reward!
Ironically on Talent academy, I got brought back to be checked again and then I just stealth killed the guard as soon as we went in the side room where no one saw. Then I turned off the security and just snuck through the whole place with no issues 🤣
28:14 Maybe an angle you didn't cover, Hands is extra happy if Dodger lives. There is his reaction to doing both the Dodger and the Netwatch's Alan quests so they both live.
You can resolve waiting for dodger peacefully even if you killed everyone by passing a 20 cool speech check. You basically say "well you got a really good story out of all this so why dont you just let them go?" Also 42:25 corpo V can note that the netrunner is using an Arasaka Icsbreaker, which is presumably how they establish the cover
That must be new in an update. Played that quest with 20 cool a few days after release and *almost* got out clean until they checked the biosigs. No check, just a shootout.
I'm going through this video piecemeal and haven't finished it yet, but man, do I love this series. Thanks for making these, Sam. Makes me relive some great PL gigs but, more importantly, make me realise how many bad decisions I made 😅 Every day I live in hopium CDPR is secretly making one last expansion for 2077!
My head canon is that Tommy becomes a world famous super star and leads a crusade to get healthcare for children who aren't signed. Being Night City, he's much more likely to catch a bullet to the face than effect meaningful change, but a guy can dream. Honestly, almost every quest in Dogtown was a treat. No studio does DLC like CDPR.
I will always love how Johnny has his own opinion on everything and u can either agreee with him like a sheep or be an individual and clap back on some of his choices.
At the end of the gig: Waiting for Dodger, I could let the two dudes leave without bloodshed but since I didn't kill anyone of the barghest, but while driving out of the garage in their police car, they hit one Dodgers retinue, triggering the fight and leading to the end, with Bill opening up his food stall xD
Maybe I'm reaching, but I think I've found something pretty wild in these gigs in that they all reference certain aspects of the main story of Phantom Liberty. -Dogtown Saints: Songbird's done a lot of shady stuff and is far from a saint, but there's still a question of whether or not she still deserves compassion. -Prototype in the Scraper: The reason Song and V are in the mess they're in is because they made the gonk choice to mess with a megacorp. Also foreshadows Song's plan. -Treating Symptoms: While it might be good to fulfill Song's request (regardless of the path you choose), it might benefit you more in the long-term to keep her alive... and hand her to the FIA. -Waiting for Dodger: ... Yeah I got nothing. Funny gig though. -The Man Who Killed Jason Foreman: Begs the question of how much of what happened can be broken down to either consequences of bad decisions or just horrible luck, also like Song. -Spy in the Jungle: The FIA's pursuit of Songbird if you side with her. -Talent Academy: Song was plucked up into the FIA and molded into what she is at a young age. -Heaviest of Hearts: Reed is the one responsible for getting Song tangled up in everything and is fighting so hard to save her. But in reality, he's only doing it for his sake, not hers. -Roads to Redemption: A definite reference to the Killing Moon. After everything she's done, does she deserve redemption? Whew, that went longer than I thought, but that's my take.
handing song to the FIA might be one of the most stupid decision. She'll be locked up in a cage and used as a backdoor into the blackwall. Just like how you'll never get a body and be stuck forever in mikoshi if you side with arasaka.
@@ceshmate1953 Yeah, giving her to Mr. Hands sounds unironically better. First because we don't know him and second because onestly I don't think he is evil, is means are just morally questionable. He eliminated a corrupt Major and placed a pro-union and anti-corp major in NC, while protecting them from corruption (Brain manipulation) and assassination attempts. I hope to see more of him in the future.
While I am months late, having finally played Cyberpunk last month, it's been really refreshing learning all the little details behind these gigs. I didn't even know that you could find Tommie later back in the market! I love being able to see the aftermath details like that.
I could’ve sworn when Phantom Liberty first released there was originally an option to go in the room where Gaspar’s body is before talking to Nika and when you enter the room to confront her, instead of her attacking the ripperdoc demanding to see her brother, you simply tell her that Gaspar is in the other room “on ice” and she leaves the alone (as opposed to hitting or shooting him). I’m guessing they removed this option because the devs likely saw it as too watered down of an option from a narrative standpoint. After all, PL is their Hollywood blockbuster of a dlc so they likely preferred a more dramatic approach in terms of character interaction.
Love your videos, I've been waiting for this one! Another interesting little bit for Dogtown Saints, if you go to the right of the church, you'll see a wall with neon signs in the shape of lips, and there's a little fenced area you can jump up onto. You'll see some skezzed out junkies and you can find a pretty interesting shard there about the priest!
Wow, I had no idea Waiting For Dodger had a different outcome. Even when he lets Bill and Charlie leave, they always manage to hit one of his goons with their car on the way out, setting off a firefight for me to clean up. This happened *literally every time* I played through the quest, so I thought it was coded that way on purpose! 🤣🤣🤣
The thing about Heaviest of Hearts is what they have is either proof he knew something (though that's not exactly definitive), but it doesn't prove he was actually involved in that. It's shaky at best and she knows it. It roes show, 5hough,that no one is clean in Dogtown. Or Night City.
For Treating Symptoms, you can wait for Alan to disconnect and then execute Milko immediately after, before Alan explains himself. Alan will be irate and tell you to leave, but he’ll still be alive.
I feel like, in this setting, you need to just wipe over your world view, and see the world in a Cyberpunk viewpoint. It's why I don't destroy the Talent Academy. It's a horrendous operation, but killing Fiona? That's just pissing in the wind. Its just going to keep happening elsewhere. Best you can hope for is some of those kids getting a better life. After all, what do they have waiting for them if they didn't have that option? A fulfilling life as a junkie in Dogtown?
Amazing video, I think that I try to find the most info and I still miss plenty and I missed so much with Jason trying to play fixer for example. Thanks for upload. Also I found this. In the heavy hearts quest I found a shard in the back of the bottom level that there is another person who was "intrigated" by Georgina´s muscle he has passed out and needs to be taken out by the back door. So it really does seem that she beats the information out of people if she needs to. Sadly you cant call her out on it.
Ngl, I love the iconic pistol Ambition you can get in the "Prototype in the Scrapper" gig that it's my main pistol for non-stealth, even if there are better options; but ambition has that personal feel to it that I love about it that always draws me too it also, never noticed it was a LotR ref until now lol
I can't do the dodger quest without ending in violence, because the dumb cops ALWAYS run one of the goons over when driving off and dodger turns hostile. Maybe my game is just bugged.
After the 2.11 update, in the Dodger gig, no matter how you get to the end, when the cops drive out of the garage, they hit one of Dodgers guys and combat starts. I ran away and it still had me as completing it non-lethally. After a few reloads to see if it would fix itself, I just left it, cause that is honestly just how Bill and Charlie would screw V.
Yeah I reset a lot to see if I could do something about it. I ended up playing along and just killing Dodger. I think killing him is a good outcome tho (also very nice unique revolver)
If you kill Alan agent in second gig, you can find journalist investigating murdered corpos in various parts of the NC. That detail blown my mind, when I stumbled upon this.
about the heaviest of hearts gig, there is another way to get into the vip floor, when i did i, thro one of the doors a guard of the vip floor kicked out someone, making the door being keep open(probably a bug perhaps?), the door i mention is on the left side(if we enter the club) of the floor
Finally finishing PL DLC after all this time. This is the best looking game on consoles I think at nighttime. I can’t remember another game that made me screenshot almost everything as this
During "Treating Symptoms" and the robot battle room, if you sneak in slightly, without moving far into the room, you can shoot most of the disc arrays prior to the bots waking up and destroying them beforehand. This will take a lot of them, but not all.
Playing through PL again made me remember how good these gigs are. They really remind me of The Witcher 3's best quests and theme of choosing "the lesser evil". Every choice having a visible consequence later shows how much effort went into these side missions.
CDPR did a incredible job on the expansion and I'm looking forward to more Cyberpunk content from them in the future. And as always you've done a great job looking in all the corners and pulling on all the threads to find the details that I just don't have time to go after.
"We don't have a leg to stand on" Yes, you do. Jackie put the chip in you, you didn't slot it yourself. Granted, you let him, but as V, you had no way of knowing Evelyn wouldn't be any help to you. Plus, Jackie was dying right in front of you. You'd be too focused on trying to keep him going to worry about the chip.
I think its more likely the "Scope from KT" message might be referring to Boris Ribakov (The Sniper sent to hunt down Katya Karelina during Spy in the Jungle)
About Dodger: I resolved the gig peacefully, so he let the guys drive off in their car. But as they were pulling out, it seems they spooked Dodger. He lived up to his name and dodged out of the way of the car, and then threw a tantrum and attacked me, for some reason. So, I killed everyone in the garage anyway.
For the Brazilian agents, if you give them the data instead of destroying it, Mr. Hands will say something like “ah, so you washed your hands of the situation” And YEAH. Brazilian politics aint V’s problem lol. Jobs done, eddies please
By the way, there's one more "outcome" for the Dogtown Saints gig. Since the dialogue options show that Nika and the Scavs didn't want to kill anyone, I decided to take them all non lethaly. If you do this, and allow both Nika and Anderson to live, Mr Hands will tell you that "you even spared the Scavs, which means they will have no reason to go after Anderson in the future". I'm guessing this also changes the dialogue with Nika a bit at her brother's funeral, but I haven't seen it yet.
damn i wish i knew that
I don't care, they still signed on to be monsters, and I dispatch them with relish, a day without scav blood is like a day without sunshine
strangely, I've only got the message from Hands, that Anderson will have more resources to work with thanks to me, even though I've knocked out everyone...
@@reyhaz Might be you accidentally killed, like, one or two in the process. It’s tough to tell sometimes ‘cause a few enemies will ragdoll either way.
Tbh scavs are a bad bunch amongst a bad bunch - I didn’t mind providing the poor of D-town a preem “slightly used” cyberware haul 😂
I love the Leon Rinder gig because of the reference to Johnny. JS's real name, Robert John Linder, is a clear anagram to Leon Rinder. Leon is literally a Johnny, who stayed in the army instead of running away like Silverhand did. It's like an alternative universe, where Johnny stays in the army and becomes something like Leon: used, broken and forgotten by the higher ups
u know an anagram means all the sam letters but differently arranged? 😅
it doesnt work at all here, because Robert John Linder and Leon Rinder have different letter counts 😂
@@naomy1701the correlation is still there, the fact that they are similar at all matters, it doesn’t have to be a perfect anagram
Woah...
@@naomy1701 ignore the Robert bit and the word counts match.
The thing about sparing Rinder is that people often conflate the concepts of Justice and Revenge. Revenge is an emotional response, "He hit me so I get to hit him." Justice is about making things right. Maybe you can't undo the damage, but you can at least try to make amends so people can live a little better.
As far as Talent Academy goes, my philosophy is very simple: it doesn’t matter if the practice will continue elsewhere. Right now, in front of me, there is evil in the world, and if I want to make the world a better place, I have to take them out. So for me, she dies. Yes, a lot of the kids that are currently there will have bad times, but leaving her alive will create a bad time for countless people in the future.
I fail to see why such a global for profits organization wouldn't simply replace her with another person to run that branch... Besides, that's not even how corpos work, unless you killed all the staff in there, someone else would instantly replace her.
@@Napoleonic_Sgetting killed for being in charge is the deterrent. it sends a message. the next person who steps up of thinks to step up assumes the risk of getting lead poisoning in their skull
@@Napoleonic_Sthey almost certainly will replace her, but if day one her replacement has to get janitorial to clean up the bits of brain and blood spatter all over their office and hire a whole new staff because the last one caught a case of high velocity lead poisoning they might make better choices. It's like the father/son XBD duo, will someone replace them, probably, but it'll be someone else because they're dead.
leave her alive until after you make the deal with her to help Tommy, then shoot her and Johnny will cheer... now fast travel to the stadium and find out you made Tommy happy. Everyone wins lmao
If johny asks I do.
Talent academy is my favorite quest in the game because none of these quest ms have ever made my blood boil in the way learning about the sports academy did. Seeing the way the kids are kept like animals, experiencing the auction, reading about the tons of lives ruined. It was an anger that no game has ever made me feel.
Obviously I know destroying her wasn’t going to suddenly solve the issue, but it’s a Jotaro situation where she just deserves it.
i am 180 degrees the other way, we are there because they do not pay taxes. However our employer is the EEC, why would i bother about unpaid taxes ? you see animals in cages, i see kids in their dormitories getting top care and all the tools to succeed. It sucks for those who dont but both sides are aware of the risk beforehand. When you walk past the dormitories you can talk to the girl and ask her who brought her here to which she replies " i applied myself" and some ecstatic response about how happy she was to get chosen... Who am i to take away that opportunity ?
I just saw the boy Tommy at the clothing store in the Dogtown market from the start, had some dialogue.
@@nicoreus4486 I don't agree with your opinion. But I understand why you would say that.
Me on the other hand, I'm more poetic. I don't care about the kids, I don't care about the parents, I don't care about the personnel of the talent academy. They are all pieces of shet who should be well aware of the risks.
And the director should be well aware of a killer knocking on her door. She knew the risks. Just like the kids. Just like the parents. Just like the employees.
You can also see Rinder during the Balls to the Walls Side quest. He’s the one who says “I would have dragged him more” referring to Hanson beating the shit out of Paco
One thing worth mentioning is in the Childs Sports Academy you can find records mentioning Jackies childhood friend and hero Dante, revealing he was actually cyber-doped too.
I watched the whole video before realizing it's 1 hour long. It felt like 15 minutes. Fantastic video
Very glad to hear that as I worried about this one being too long 😁
In the Maldonado gig -- if you wait by the VIP door, you can get into VIP via an arrogant corpo who gets kicked out. He'll complain to V for a few minutes, then open the door for you.
I tried chatting him up but unfortunately I must’ve offended him because he did not open the door for me. I had to infiltrate the other side of the building just to find the terrible to open it. That gig is a bloody nightmare if you’re going for the stealthy approach…
7:17 Nah, it's scavs. Step1: erradicate, step 2: ask survivors any questions you have. If any are left. Survivors, not questions.
The scavs being super organized doesn't surprise me since they have strong connections to the soviet's, part of some big secret operation of theirs
A weird thing that happened in Talent Academy for me was agreeing to the deal with Fiona and having Tommie be signed, then immediately killing her. When I went back to the stadium and talked to Tommie, he confirms that he got signed and will play in Europe. It's either a bug (2.0, not 2.1), or Fiona works really fast and that there are teams lined up to get any one of her athletes.
They fixed this in 2.1 (at least in mine) because I also thought myself slick to do this exact thing, agree to deal and then kill her straight away. Tommy didn't get signed in mine.
Not reading any of the shards and just watching Sam's breakdowns is the best way to play this game.
Fun fact: On Waiting For Dodger, I used System Collapse on all the soldiers... While it's non-lethal, since the hack technically shuts down all their tech, the check at the end fails because Dodger's second checks the biomon feed for the men to see if they're living and all their biomons are offline, so...
But I was still able to exit without a fight with another speech check (think it was Body?). Once the two cops were out (idiots ran me over on the way out!), I turned around and zeroed Dodger anyway, because I'm a bastard.
It's the cool check I believe, I ended up killing Dodger anyway because I want his gun lol
I do it almost every time I get a chance to do it in various games. It's like "On a second thought, fuck you." And BLAM!
It’s glitched now to where even after choosing the correct dialogue and Dodger premier the officers to leave, they run over V and one of Dodger’s men triggering them all to attack you. Kind of funny but also can be frustrating if you’re trying to take it serious…
The most anticipated video of all time . Watched all ur gigs video. Cant imagine how hard it is to too look into every nitty grity detail about gigs . Much love sam ❤. Also probably the longest ? 1 hr + Jesus 😅
I won't lie, it broke my brain several times trying to keep track of things. They really upped the game in Dogtown
I just finished up my first playthrough of Cyberpunk, got it when the DLC and 2.0 came out and ive gotta say, the writing on these quests is something else. I tried to take the best path for all and then watching this and realising the slight differences in attitude and selections are what Roleplaying is all about for me! Different solutions depending on who the player is trying to be.
Yeah, i was playing through The Hands gigs in Dogtown and was like "damn, do I just not remember clearly or are these way more substantial missions than other gigs?"
I felt the same way
In “The Man Who Killed Jason Foreman” gig by the Scav operations board you see a picture of a woman, the same picture you see on the memorial tree outside of The Moth. The man drinking tequila seems to be talking about to this picture. Just a nod to the attention the detail CDPR put into the Phantom Liberty expansion
The Woman and the Kid whose shards are around the tree are also shown in that mission to have been taken by the scavs, with the kid implied to have either died on damirs table or used for some other reason since he was supposed to be delivered back to his mother after they tore his spinal cord out
Just commenting to say I have huge respect for your channel, the amount of effort and work you put into these is amazing, really well done!
This video perfectly incapsulates why I I love this game so much. You can play through the game twice and have a completely different ending to every gig here, and some back in NC. It's perfect
Regarding the ambush after Roads to Redemption, in case we've already rescued Tiny Mike, it would be awesome to have him give us a heads-up, since these guys were mercs from the Afterlife and were gathering the crew there, while TM was sitting at his small table (probably still offended that we blew him off when he asked us to join him for 50th time). I mean maybe they weren't doing it specifically at the club, but it is a possibility!
Ill be honest, my favorite part of the "waiting for Dodger" quest is the hilarious bug at the end. While leaving Bill and Charlie can hit one of Dodger's men with their car, causing combat. I thought it was intentional at first, going to show how inept the two are.
"...Worse, you're a Tax Cheat!"
_Ma Boi I.R.S in Dogtown. Sweating it up, let's get it._
I created my own headcanon for my V. Something fun that I like to do for most the games i play. Anyway, before Phantom Liberty was even a rumor, the headcanon for my V was “the son of Corpo higherups, who was turned into an experimental weapon by chipping him with all kinds of chrome since he was a child. It makes V all sorts of wrecked emotionally and mentally, but also a ruthless weapon.
Fast forward to Phantom Liberty, and the exact gig happens that perfectly ties into this headcanon. It made my V’s choice very easy though. V was beyond horrified and enraged by the “athletics program” and burned it all to the ground, no hesitation.
I'm currently doing a corpo playthrough where I've got a similar idea - that V was being raised to become a next generation Arasaka Ninja, like Oda and Takemura. Looking the part thanks to mods (Cyberbody type 8 is great), and running pistols & mantis blades.
This kind of story makes the most sense for V IMO. This 23 year old with no proper training is one of the strongest mercs in NC History, so the idea that they're chipped with a whole bunch of advanced tech and trained from birth to be Arasaka elite explains it well.
On Jason Foreman's computer you can also find an email sent by Jack Mausser, the merc and club owner you're hired to kill in one of Dino's gigs. It's pretty funny because he asks for help laying low for a month or so to then return, yet agin, to Night City, contrary to V's warnings.
I guess this only happens if you complete that gig before this one.
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that's meat pierogi/pelmeni recipe
IRL version is actually pretty tasty, dunno about the ingame recipe
At least they use clean water, lol
I really appreciate all of the work you put into these videos. When I was playing through these gigs, I admittedly did not pay attention to the details because I knew you'd come out with a video that explained them in a much more logical way.
Your videos also make me reflect on the ethical implications of different gig choices. I like how you add this subtle moral dimension to your content.
Made the correct choices for the "waiting for dodger" gig and I was rewarded with the best ending, I was laughing my ass off at the end cutscene. S Tier Gig guaranteed for me
Same, felt like I was making my lying children apologize 😂
Then the 2 idiots run over one of Dodgers goons and f the whole thing up - classic. At least I got a cool gun out of it.
@@marcoliver625 At first I thought it was a bug. And I replayed it 2 more times for the same outcome. But then I was like: It really is in character for these IDIOTS to run over a guard while driving away, and leaving V behind to handle the enraged Dodger.
I know it is a bug, but I like this one.
Damn that LoTR is gold. You can still resolve the "Waiting for Dodger" peacefully even if you kill all the guards if you have max STR if I remember correctly.
I have max strength and gorilla arms.
After getting to the part where he checks if they’re alive, he attacked me without any dialogue checks when hearing they’re all dead.
@@RodgerSkelton Yep probably cool. I kinda miss what attribute check was it since I need to pick it as fast as I can coz I was too busy reading the other option. Basically V would intimidate Dodger with his/ her chromes and how it is a bad idea to piss V off.
How recently? I was a weak baby netrunner with 20 cool who fried all his boys brains and once the the biosigs came back they just opened fire
yeah that LOTR was impressive
As someone who can't help but search for EVERY piece of lore, backstory, callback, or secret in video games, all of your videos are absolute godsends! Fantastic work!
Thanks Choom!
@@SamBram my pleasure! Keep up the preem work!
I have a glitch with Dodger: as he spares us, cops drives out and slightly rides on Dodger's (or his goon's) foot. Cops dismissed safely and all the dodger's band attacks me. So there is no peaceful solution for me even if I just run away - cops are free from Dodger's threats. Maybe the game considers the Dodger's aggression as his death eventually
The same thing happened to me and I thought it was a part of the gig, I chalk it up as the NCPD guys being goofy and laugh when it happened
It’s a bug following the final update. That apparently did not used to happen. It’s funny regardless though haha
Ive REALLY been looking forward to this one!! And the wait was worth it, you hit it out of the park Sam!
You are my favorite Cyberpunk youtuber! Thank you for all the investigative and testing that you do for all of your videos! It is greatly appreciated and has saved me loads of time! Keep up the amazing work!
Bro uploaded this right as I started my replay of the game, what a chad
Amazing video, so many things I've missed! Very cool to see to what length CDPR went to interconnect all these discoverable tiny hints, data shards and "coincidences". Thank you for taking the time and effort to show us how deep the rabbit hole truly goes!
This has literally been my most anticpated video from you
I had a very interesting variant on the dodger mission, where after talking my way free, they ran over one of his goons on the way out and I had to kill them all, I though it was magical - after screwing up, getting saved, they screw up ...again
Choom!, after watching this video I realized that I messed up a lot of gigs that could have ended much better, I think I totally underestimated the importance of reading all the text files and making a connection between them, probably to due to my lack of memory or maybe I'm too focused on completing the mission. right now I feel like I've experienced CP less than half of what I could have done. I'm happy to have discovered you! I'll subscribe right away, great job!
Dude I just discovered your gigs deepdive series, I cant do another playthrough man, its going to be another 100 hours put into the game. Im just going to have to do the Dogtown ones for now. amazing work my man.
excellent video, you deserve much more recognition!
I love how many of these gigs/missions in dog town have an option to lie and say you’ll let the target go only to get a reward from them then you can ice them and get the OG reward!
All the gig videos have been amazing, definitely my favourite series to come out on youtube as of late. Great attention to detail!
For "talent academy" if you equip "sir john p." and you threaten Fiona with "F*ck you" you'll see a very funny animation
Ironically on Talent academy, I got brought back to be checked again and then I just stealth killed the guard as soon as we went in the side room where no one saw. Then I turned off the security and just snuck through the whole place with no issues 🤣
This is my most anticipated video in a long time and you did not disappoint
Excellent work, was excited for this as soon as I saw how good/complex the new gigs were
28:14 Maybe an angle you didn't cover, Hands is extra happy if Dodger lives. There is his reaction to doing both the Dodger and the Netwatch's Alan quests so they both live.
Holy shit, been waiting so long for this vid. Trying to make the morally good decisions for my Nomad and the lesser ones for my Corpo.
You can resolve waiting for dodger peacefully even if you killed everyone by passing a 20 cool speech check. You basically say "well you got a really good story out of all this so why dont you just let them go?"
Also 42:25 corpo V can note that the netrunner is using an Arasaka Icsbreaker, which is presumably how they establish the cover
That must be new in an update. Played that quest with 20 cool a few days after release and *almost* got out clean until they checked the biosigs. No check, just a shootout.
@28:25 As far as I remember I slaughtered everyone, and had a dialog option telling Dodger to think about his next move.
I'm going through this video piecemeal and haven't finished it yet, but man, do I love this series.
Thanks for making these, Sam.
Makes me relive some great PL gigs but, more importantly, make me realise how many bad decisions I made 😅
Every day I live in hopium CDPR is secretly making one last expansion for 2077!
My head canon is that Tommy becomes a world famous super star and leads a crusade to get healthcare for children who aren't signed.
Being Night City, he's much more likely to catch a bullet to the face than effect meaningful change, but a guy can dream.
Honestly, almost every quest in Dogtown was a treat. No studio does DLC like CDPR.
Couldn't stop laughing once I noticed the irony of a scav being butthurt when someone they care about is getting "disassembled" for parts.
I will always love how Johnny has his own opinion on everything and u can either agreee with him like a sheep or be an individual and clap back on some of his choices.
Him being a sounding board in most of these gigs makes most of them much better than the main game
Well sure, but it's not black and white, sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't.
Dont forget, If you kill Dodger, bill also sells a food item that PERMANENTLY buffs stamina regen, albeit by only 1%
Amazing video! I appreciate the work you put into making these videos.
Took me a while to watch the entire thing but this deep dive series will always be my favorite! Great work
At the end of the gig: Waiting for Dodger, I could let the two dudes leave without bloodshed but since I didn't kill anyone of the barghest, but while driving out of the garage in their police car, they hit one Dodgers retinue, triggering the fight and leading to the end, with Bill opening up his food stall xD
Ur doing gods work pal, happy holidays
in spy in the jungle, ribakov must've been glitched for me, no clones, no system collapse, just drones and cloaking
Absolutely love the "new" Cyberpunk, just started 3 new builds 😊
Shoutout to Boris Ribakov for being the only boss in the game to take me down past the prologue. A few Cyberpsychos and Royce got me good then, too.
Maybe I'm reaching, but I think I've found something pretty wild in these gigs in that they all reference certain aspects of the main story of Phantom Liberty.
-Dogtown Saints: Songbird's done a lot of shady stuff and is far from a saint, but there's still a question of whether or not she still deserves compassion.
-Prototype in the Scraper: The reason Song and V are in the mess they're in is because they made the gonk choice to mess with a megacorp. Also foreshadows Song's plan.
-Treating Symptoms: While it might be good to fulfill Song's request (regardless of the path you choose), it might benefit you more in the long-term to keep her alive... and hand her to the FIA.
-Waiting for Dodger: ... Yeah I got nothing. Funny gig though.
-The Man Who Killed Jason Foreman: Begs the question of how much of what happened can be broken down to either consequences of bad decisions or just horrible luck, also like Song.
-Spy in the Jungle: The FIA's pursuit of Songbird if you side with her.
-Talent Academy: Song was plucked up into the FIA and molded into what she is at a young age.
-Heaviest of Hearts: Reed is the one responsible for getting Song tangled up in everything and is fighting so hard to save her. But in reality, he's only doing it for his sake, not hers.
-Roads to Redemption: A definite reference to the Killing Moon. After everything she's done, does she deserve redemption?
Whew, that went longer than I thought, but that's my take.
That’s very astute tbh. I’m too dumb to come up with this stuff myself, so rely on people like you to provide insight. 😂
handing song to the FIA might be one of the most stupid decision. She'll be locked up in a cage and used as a backdoor into the blackwall. Just like how you'll never get a body and be stuck forever in mikoshi if you side with arasaka.
@@ceshmate1953 Yeah, giving her to Mr. Hands sounds unironically better. First because we don't know him and second because onestly I don't think he is evil, is means are just morally questionable. He eliminated a corrupt Major and placed a pro-union and anti-corp major in NC, while protecting them from corruption (Brain manipulation) and assassination attempts. I hope to see more of him in the future.
Awesome vid as always
While I am months late, having finally played Cyberpunk last month, it's been really refreshing learning all the little details behind these gigs. I didn't even know that you could find Tommie later back in the market! I love being able to see the aftermath details like that.
There are no easy decisions in Phantom Liberty, only bad and less bad
I could’ve sworn when Phantom Liberty first released there was originally an option to go in the room where Gaspar’s body is before talking to Nika and when you enter the room to confront her, instead of her attacking the ripperdoc demanding to see her brother, you simply tell her that Gaspar is in the other room “on ice” and she leaves the alone (as opposed to hitting or shooting him). I’m guessing they removed this option because the devs likely saw it as too watered down of an option from a narrative standpoint. After all, PL is their Hollywood blockbuster of a dlc so they likely preferred a more dramatic approach in terms of character interaction.
Love your videos, I've been waiting for this one!
Another interesting little bit for Dogtown Saints, if you go to the right of the church, you'll see a wall with neon signs in the shape of lips, and there's a little fenced area you can jump up onto. You'll see some skezzed out junkies and you can find a pretty interesting shard there about the priest!
Been waiting for this content :D
Wow, I had no idea Waiting For Dodger had a different outcome. Even when he lets Bill and Charlie leave, they always manage to hit one of his goons with their car on the way out, setting off a firefight for me to clean up. This happened *literally every time* I played through the quest, so I thought it was coded that way on purpose! 🤣🤣🤣
The thing about Heaviest of Hearts is what they have is either proof he knew something (though that's not exactly definitive), but it doesn't prove he was actually involved in that. It's shaky at best and she knows it. It roes show, 5hough,that no one is clean in Dogtown. Or Night City.
Great video. I love the deep dives that dig up stuff I missed.
For Treating Symptoms, you can wait for Alan to disconnect and then execute Milko immediately after, before Alan explains himself. Alan will be irate and tell you to leave, but he’ll still be alive.
I feel like, in this setting, you need to just wipe over your world view, and see the world in a Cyberpunk viewpoint.
It's why I don't destroy the Talent Academy. It's a horrendous operation, but killing Fiona? That's just pissing in the wind. Its just going to keep happening elsewhere. Best you can hope for is some of those kids getting a better life. After all, what do they have waiting for them if they didn't have that option? A fulfilling life as a junkie in Dogtown?
I applaud the developers of this game, keep up the amazing work. It’s refreshing to see true artists given the chance to do their thing.
Being able to aim and shoot using jetpack would be maximum democracy.
Great video, thanks!
The Lunar Mass Driver capable of leveling entire city is exactly what Songbird use on the NUSA Headquarter if you take her to the moon
I must've missed that detail
Awesome video! Thanks man
Amazing video, I think that I try to find the most info and I still miss plenty and I missed so much with Jason trying to play fixer for example. Thanks for upload.
Also I found this. In the heavy hearts quest I found a shard in the back of the bottom level that there is another person who was "intrigated" by Georgina´s muscle he has passed out and needs to be taken out by the back door. So it really does seem that she beats the information out of people if she needs to. Sadly you cant call her out on it.
I clicked so fast thank you sam bram ya the best ❣️ been wa
iting for more lore
Ngl, I love the iconic pistol Ambition you can get in the "Prototype in the Scrapper" gig that it's my main pistol for non-stealth, even if there are better options; but ambition has that personal feel to it that I love about it that always draws me too it
also, never noticed it was a LotR ref until now lol
I can't do the dodger quest without ending in violence, because the dumb cops ALWAYS run one of the goons over when driving off and dodger turns hostile. Maybe my game is just bugged.
“.5-1.5 a day” my pure pure boy never change
After the 2.11 update, in the Dodger gig, no matter how you get to the end, when the cops drive out of the garage, they hit one of Dodgers guys and combat starts. I ran away and it still had me as completing it non-lethally. After a few reloads to see if it would fix itself, I just left it, cause that is honestly just how Bill and Charlie would screw V.
Yeah I reset a lot to see if I could do something about it. I ended up playing along and just killing Dodger. I think killing him is a good outcome tho (also very nice unique revolver)
If you kill Alan agent in second gig, you can find journalist investigating murdered corpos in various parts of the NC. That detail blown my mind, when I stumbled upon this.
about the heaviest of hearts gig, there is another way to get into the vip floor, when i did i, thro one of the doors a guard of the vip floor kicked out someone, making the door being keep open(probably a bug perhaps?), the door i mention is on the left side(if we enter the club) of the floor
If you scan the door you'll find an access panel you can hack into to open the door
Finally finishing PL DLC after all this time. This is the best looking game on consoles I think at nighttime. I can’t remember another game that made me screenshot almost everything as this
During "Treating Symptoms" and the robot battle room, if you sneak in slightly, without moving far into the room, you can shoot most of the disc arrays prior to the bots waking up and destroying them beforehand. This will take a lot of them, but not all.
Playing through PL again made me remember how good these gigs are. They really remind me of The Witcher 3's best quests and theme of choosing "the lesser evil".
Every choice having a visible consequence later shows how much effort went into these side missions.
Omg 1h video about dogtown quests by Sam we are truly blessed 🙏
Such a good UA-camr
Excellent analysis
Thank you
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CDPR did a incredible job on the expansion and I'm looking forward to more Cyberpunk content from them in the future. And as always you've done a great job looking in all the corners and pulling on all the threads to find the details that I just don't have time to go after.
"We don't have a leg to stand on"
Yes, you do. Jackie put the chip in you, you didn't slot it yourself. Granted, you let him, but as V, you had no way of knowing Evelyn wouldn't be any help to you. Plus, Jackie was dying right in front of you. You'd be too focused on trying to keep him going to worry about the chip.
I think its more likely the "Scope from KT" message might be referring to Boris Ribakov (The Sniper sent to hunt down Katya Karelina during Spy in the Jungle)
Yeah to be fair actually
About Dodger: I resolved the gig peacefully, so he let the guys drive off in their car. But as they were pulling out, it seems they spooked Dodger. He lived up to his name and dodged out of the way of the car, and then threw a tantrum and attacked me, for some reason. So, I killed everyone in the garage anyway.
I really love these new gigs. I love how there are no “right” choices. There are only “your” choices.
IVE BEEN WAITING LMAOOOO
For the Brazilian agents, if you give them the data instead of destroying it, Mr. Hands will say something like “ah, so you washed your hands of the situation”
And YEAH. Brazilian politics aint V’s problem lol. Jobs done, eddies please