Why We Need to Change the Way We Introduce People to Linux
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
- In this video, I discuss what we, the Linux community, need to change about our approach to introducing people to Linux, and why.
Although this video is targeted at those who are already part of the Linux community, it also contains some important information for people looking to switch to Linux.
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My strategy after years of failures when trying to bring ppl to Linux is:
- So, you're using Linux, how is it?
- Awesome
- Would you recommend it then?
- NO
- Why?
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- So why are you using it?
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I like your approach my steam deck converted me lol, fedora on my desktop after 2 years of garuda lol i liked garuda but i wanted a little bit more stability, i want my system to break when i break it not on an update that breaks the rollback feature. Garuda was good to me and i think a little easier to used than fedora when it worked right which was most the time. but once fedora is set up i feel safe to say its as reliable as windows was
I usually start by telling them "Linux is not Windows. It's completely different. You probably won't be able to use some of the programs you're used to, but there's almost always a replacement that will work. Unless you absolutely *have to* have a certain Windows-exclusive program for work or school or you aren't willing to give up something specific, this isn't nearly bad as it sounds, but it does take some getting used to."
(Lots of people lose interest here, especially gamers and creative folk like artists and musicians who heavily rely on proprietary software and aren't willing to abandon it to learn something new. That's perfectly acceptable and a great point to end the discussion. That doesn't mean they'll never use Linux. Quite the opposite, in fact. If their preferred program every gets Linux support, they'll probably be the one to bring it up again. But if you keep trying to press them, it's going to turn them off to Linux as a whole. Just don't be "that guy". You know the one, you see them in half the Linux memes, particularly in the FOSS space. All that might be fine as an occasional joke, but if you're constantly dogging on their OS and software, it makes the whole Linux community look like it's full of jerks.)
DESKTOP ENVIRONMENTS
If they're still interested after the laundry list of disclaimers, I tell them not to feel overwhelmed by all of the apparent options because almost every distro is basically the same as far as they'll ever care to know. Instead, I tell them to check out all the the really cool desktop environments on UA-cam and Reddit to find out which one they like the look and feel of. (Leave the minimalist installs, compositors, and window managers out of the discussion. They need a functional OS immediately upon installation, not some multi-week project for their computer science finals.) I also note that almost all of the DEs are VERY customizable, so if they enjoy a good deal of what one has to offer but really dislike this or that, they can probably alter it with little effort or install some program to make it more ideal for them.
It's also important at this point to really drill it in that any program that comes with any DE can be *easily* installed with any other too. If they like the Thunar file manager but aren't fond of Xfce, if they really like how simple and intuitive Gnome Disks is but don't want to run GNOME, that's absolutely not a problem. All they have to do is install it. (And unlike some other operating systems where the word "install" carries a lot of extra baggage with it, installations are almost never an involved process here on Linux. Rarely even requires a reboot. 😸)
WHICH DISTRIBUTION?
Since pretty much any desktop environment can be installed on any distro, as can any program, the user interface shouldn't affect what distro they choose hardly at all. So this actually turns out to be one of the easiest decisions to make, but someone new to Linux won't yet have the knowledge to make that call themselves. Not yet anyway. So ask some questions:
1) How much do you want pre-configured for you? (If you're having this discussion, a more specialized downstream fork like POP!_OS, Garuda, or Nobara would be ideal. Forget "vanilla" anything. Just make sure the distro has the features they want, any software configuration for their programs managed for them, and won't be more buggy than they'll be willing to contend with. Note that might be better for some people if one or two features are missing entirely than to troubleshoot minor issues every once in a while.)
2) Do you want a large amount of supported software, or are you okay with the essentials plus a few other well-known programs? (Basically just asking if they frequently try out new and/or niche software.)
3) Do you want your OS and programs to always have the latest updates available? (Do they want new features as quickly as possible, or are they usually content to use their programs as-is once they get used to them?)
4) Are you okay with reinstalling your OS every 2 years? Every 5 years? How about just updating in perpetuity, never needing to boot from a flash drive again? (Stable, LTS, or rolling release?)
Once they've made a decision on the desktop environment and answered those questions, that seemingly enormous ocean of distros will rapidly evaporate, leaving only a few drops.
TLDR;
At the end of the day, introducing someone to Linux is a legitimately involved process. It's not like suggesting some new program where someone can just download an installer and figure it out from there. It's an entirely new experience. They're going to need active guidance. You'll need to be patient and receptive to their needs and preferences. Because you've already got many months or even years of experience, you can help new users avoid all the troubles you faced along your own journey. Most importantly, you can't let your personal ideals get in the way of helping them find something that is ideal for them. That means you're probably going to have some learning to do yourself too.
algorithm have brought me here. I'm a new Linux user and I'm still trying to figure things out.
well, using Linux for browsing and documentation is the easy part but in gaming which makes things difficult.
I would recommend a brand new user to stick to only games that are available on Steam until they feel more comfortable with Linux. Steam hardly requires any extra configuration to make most games run spectacularly well. Help for it is also abundant online.
@@Maxume Besides STEAM, I found bottles to also be an easy substitute for other gaming launchers.
I haven't really played around with bottles, but I have heard great things about it.
Which games specifically?
Not sure what distro you're working with, but if gaming is a priority, Garuda and Nobara are solid options. Garuda is based on Arch, Nobara on Fedora. Both have optimizations made for gaming. Nobara is specifically designed for gaming.
As far as software goes, Lutris is immensely useful for running Windows games using Wine or launching games from your Steam library without all of the Steam-related stuff or auto-updates. I recently got Zelda II: Enhanced PC Edition running with minimal effort using Lutris on Garuda.
Honestly, between Steam and Lutris, most games will be taken care of.
There are other gaming-related things that I haven't yet gotten around to using or even learning much about, including:
- Gamehub (another game manager. Supports GOG, Steam, Humble Bundle)
- Heroic Games Launcher (GOG, Epic Games, Amazon games. Useful for some of those games that run intrusive anti-cheat software, IIRC.)
- mangohud (an overlay for monitoring fps, hardware performance, temps, etc.)
- gamemode (made by Steam, allows games to request temporary optimizations to be made to your OS during gameplay.)
- wine-ge & proton-ge (Custom builds of Wine and Proton made by GloriousEggroll. Gets some games working that otherwise don't, some perform better than with regular Wine or Proton. Designed for Lutris, but IIRC, either can be used w/ Steam.)
- dxvk (Converts DirectX instructions to Vulkan instructions, enabling superior performance for many titles)
- wine-wayland (Allows DX9, DX11, DX12, and Vulkan games to run purely under Wayland, without Xwayland, using Wine/DXVK)
- vkbasalt (Vulkan post-processing layer to enhance graphics)
Not sure if any of that will help you at all. Sorry for the info dump, feel free to ignore, and I wish you luck.
Godspeed, newbie.
At the beginning of the day I installed mint cinnamon and at the end of the day I installed MX Linux, I figured out how to have a dual boot system with separate drives for Windows 11 and MX Linux, I also use Windows 7 and Windows XP and mint xfce from a virtual machine, being flexible is key to having a good computer desktop experience in my opinion, I am now learning how to migrate all my games and software from Windows to there own SSD drive, I am also building my own network drive for for all my data, but theres a long way to go yet in getting a system I'm totally happy with.
My advice is go slowly as you establish what you can do and don't limit yourself to any one distro experience be it Windows or be it Linux 😊
Let's see how long it takes for the "It is not Linux, it is GNU/Linux" comment. 😆
Or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
No gnus is good gnus. I'll show myself out
I suppose this technically counts?
GNU + Linux + other apps
@@docesam everybody forgot about systemd
I like the intuitive and ergonomic aspect of windows, software compatibility issues has also been a huge reason i never sersiouly considered linux as an option for my usage. But on the other hand over time windows is really shoving annoying "features" if not malwares down the user's throat and it's looking like the pretext of AI will give them even more excuses to push malware behaviors on their future releases and updates.
I'm still not yet to the point where i'll make the jump, but i'm getting increasingly closer to going over the fence and for the first time i'm starting to consider the option
Yeah, just think about what they're doing with Recall.
@@DrewHowdenTech Yup, saw some things about Recall last night and that's why i'm considering to switch for the first time. Might go Linux rather than Windows when windows 10 support ends.
At least now i'm somewhat of a baby dev so that will certainly make the transition smoother than before. Will also likely have to get used to linux environment for dev anyway at some point.
Much needed commentary! Thank you Drew.
The average person out there just wants to power it on and it just works.
Switching operating systems takes some getting used to like, having been driving in the U.S for forever, knowing only an automatic to being dropped off in London with a manual stick shift and expected to drive in their style, their side of the road, with their math and signage. Intimidating, to say the least!
With the upcoming furtherance of the Windows 11 dystopia, there are going to be a large number of people that are going to be looking for options. This is an opportunity to not only encourage people to switch, but also help them to do so without confusion and inflated superior ego's.
Keep it simple stupid.
There is a reason why the Steam Deck is popular, "it's plug and play" recommend something "plug and play" to new people. Most people don't want to mess with an OS (I know I don't) they want to install it and start using it to install their apps.
I personally use Nobara and that was plug and play. Upgrading to a new version needs some improvment though and until that happens I recommend Bazzite to people which is identical to Nobara but runs off silverblue and doesn't update MESA drivers and Plasma as fast.
I take a lot of time to explain drive naming and getting them familiar with the directories and the ones they may need to go into sometimes, like etc. And giving them a thorough understanding of permissions helps a lot.
When I first installed Linux, i tried Fedora (a long time ago). I ended up hating it, partly because I had a lot of expectations i had from Windows. I went back to windows.
What actually got me into Linux was a buddy in college who walked me through installing Gentoo. Things were so different that I actually ended up learning what i was doing.
I switched off Gentoo to Ubuntu a few years ago. I was getting sick of how long update processes were and I had stopped using a super custom setup, so a more simple setup seemed like a good idea. There were a lot of things i liked, but it just wasn't for me.
I've installed Mint on a side computer since then and I'm trying out Manjaro now. I like the a better so far, but time will tell.
Having a personalized recommendation for a distro is amazing, but even a less personalized recommendation with some basic explanations is really helpful. All of the distros I liked I went into with some kind of recommendation.
Im an Arch linux user, its far easier to use these days. But, I always recommend new users to use Mint. Its just the best one to use for someone new to Linux. If a new Linux user has done some research and really wants to try Arch, I would honestly send them to Manjaro or EndeavourOS. Mint is honestly the best option for someone new, though. Ubuntu these days is just so meh for me.
Very well said, sir. And thank you for saying it. I never seen any of your videos before, but this one earned my subscription. Thank you for making this video.
Windows users will not understand what KDE, GNOME, LXQT, Cinnamon are at first. By installing, personalizing or deleting them, Linux can easily break or become ugly. In addition, although Linux's support for Chinese users is much better than ten years ago, there are still many small problems in fonts and appearance. I recommend just using a Live USB to try Linux Mint, get them interested in the good stuff beside Windows, and then slowly explain other distros to them.
Mint is so easy too. I love how clean linux feels compared to windows. No forced updates or bloatware. So nice
My friend tried old Debian and Arch and then decided it's not for him. Dude old Debian installer and Arch, of course it's not gonna be friendly
There's only one thing I'd like to add. Make them play with the terminal, teach them in a friendly way code structures to update, install and search apps before installing it on their computer. Also my recommendation are kubuntu, ubuntu or mint. For gaming users, Fedora KDE works well right out of the box. Teach them how to speed up dnf from the terminal. Besides the distro topic, another important thing to teach them is how to use TTY mode with timeshift in case things break.
What did I pick up as my 1st distro? Arch. Not for beginners, it just worked for me, love it and is my main distro now.
While I get where you’re coming from, when I introduce people to Linux, I look at it as recommending an alternative to Windows. The thing is, most people want to just use their computer, not tinker around with it. So I would be more focused on how to get things done on Linux.
Sure, there may come a time when they would want to play around with the terminal, but that comes after getting settled into Linux. If we introduce this aspect of Linux to new users too quickly, we will scare them straight back to Windows.
Use my PC to do work or game. I want my OS to be as transparent as possible, to spend the least time setting it up.
I want to leave Windows because the time fighting the OS went up. I'm browsing videos about Mint, and every time someone mentions the terminal I close the video and move to the next one.
The terminal is for administrators, or people who want to learn about the OS. It has steep learning curve, is error prone, and in general should not be shown to most beginners. It is just friction for adoption - "you have to learn this whole new language to use this OS". Hard pass. Most people don't have the time, energy or desire to do it.
Not sure where this rant is coming from. Almost all recommendations I've seen for new users are Mint, Pop OS, and similar distros with Windows-esque GUIs. Never heard anyone recommend something like Arch to the uninitiated. I don't think any normie is going into Linux expecting it to be easy. You're thinking too deep into this.
I think it’s a matter of the person recommending Linux to my commenter didn’t take the time to recommend any distribution, and so my commenter just picked one randomly.
I am a new (old wrinkly) linux user. Yes Ubuntu proved the easiest (best?) installer particularly for dual boot. But Zorin uses the same installer and is arguably a better choice for someone coming from Windows, or Mac. Personaly I am thrilled about how many distros there are and will probably always be a distro hopper. I might get another MacBook Air if there was a compatable M1 silicone distro, so get on the case, please Fedora.
When I tried Linux for the first time in 2018, I only knew about Ubuntu and hear about Debian. I did stumble a lot and tried different distros for awhile until I decided to go back to Ubuntu as it worked for me the best. I can't really recommend for new users Linux. Linux Mint is what people recommend a lot, but for me it didn't work good on two different PC configurations and my friend had a lot of problem with it too like random crashes and features didn't work properly. But if I had to recommend something, I'd recommend Linux Mint simply because for flatpaks. Otherwise I'd recommend Ubuntu easily if only snaps was as supported by developers.
I'm switching from Windows 10 to Nobara Linux
The first Linux I tried was Ubuntu. It would not run. The second Linux distro I tried was Linux Mint. It worked great. Over two years ago.
Could someone, anyone, give the terminal commands on how to install repositories in Ubuntu base distro. At least a few most popular one's? Thanks.
@@BitsOfTruth I can't necessarily speak to adding extra repositories, but when you do a fresh install of Ubuntu it will ask if you want to install 3rd party codecs and non-free additions. If you check those boxes it should automatically add the required repositories. What software in particular are you wanting to install? It may already be in the default repositories. If you add the Synaptic software it has a great search feature to let you search the repositories for software you're looking for. "apt install synaptic" (Without the quotes.) 🙂
@@napnip Thanks.
@@napnip my real trouble is in like Linux Lite and PcLinuxOS which uses apt but not Ubuntu base I think. Anyway silly for me to be concerned about it because Mint does all I want it to do. Thanks.
I cannot get Warpinator to work on any distro (except Mint the programs writer). On Linux Lite PlayOnLinux would run but not install wine automatically. I have installed wine from the website for Roblox before they took it away from Linux again. Long story short. I just think it would be so helpful while the community it showing different distros, to also cover repository install and explain where they are on net. Good Day.
Too bad they didn't just have 1 Big Linux distro and then choose different desktop environment flavours, etc. Like have a Linux consortium and unify! But that would be quite a challenge; since the nature of most linux users to do their own thing, freedom. Atleast it would easier for new users with have just 1 to choose from, instead of spending hours trying to figure out who to go with.
Remember guys "I use arch BTW" is the best way. Gotta stick to the script!
I started using fedora linux about a week ago. So far going good I already have some experience with bash doing some programming, the downloading is usually easy but sometimes the flatpaks or git cloning can be a little confusing. I have failed the arch linux install lol.
use manjaro or endeavouros arch based distro with nice installer
why not recommending arch, not vanilla arch, but endeavouros, manjaro, arco linux are popular one, but new user should go with Kubuntu, Linux mint, Fedora any non rolling release, for Gaming they should go with Arch...
Everything but ubuntu mam, literaly everyting (mint, tuxedo, pop os) to name a few.
As long as it isn't as hard to use as writing code in Malbolge, in longform,... using complex package scripts,... cross referenced using Brainf*@k and package splicing written in INTERCAL.
That's what I expect using Linux to be like.
Nope, it’s not that complicated, especially if you go with a user-friendly distribution like Ubuntu.
@@DrewHowdenTech Funny,... my impression of Linux use was everything done on a command in Malbolge. 🤣🤣🤣
For new users:
Linux Mint, Zorin, PopOS
I like Mac OS for regular tasks for most people just do unbunto are Linux mint if u have a crappy system run Linux lite if u want a sever run debunen are unbunto
True is that less and less people use desktop/laptop/computers...
A smartphone or a tablets is well enough for them.
They don't know how to install a OS, manage their data, for many people a web browser is like Facebook but in a inferior way...
It's what it is, when i see what is google have turn into a awful search engine whit only ads contents, Reddit destroyed ten of thousands of forums, Amazon destroyed indépendante shops..
We can from a majority of people been able to use Windows XP, avoid virus and download movies music in p2p and been able to transferit to their devices to a TV with Netflix preinstall, and cars who have Spotify...
Soon we gone come full circle, if you are use a pc you will be a nerd (an not a geeek...) it's only a matter of time.
People who are using tablets and phones in place of computers are consumers, not creators. It doesn't matter to them that their capability is severely reduced, because they weren't using it anyways.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I don't really agree on that one.
Nor into the duality consumer / creator.
@@conreo it's your right. I've yet to see a person who can do productive work on a tablet/phone.
@BoraHorzaGobuchul Mails, sms, phonecalls, video calls, calendar, taking pictures/videos, gps navigation, payment...
Some of this task can't be perform on a computer, and most of them in slower/inferior way.
Computer are superior on spefici task for sure.
@@conreo yeah, and I do all of that on my phone. But even writing a more or less complex email is much easier on a PC than on a phone/tablet. Writing, working in excel, productivity software on a mobile device? It's a joke
Never tell a new user to do a dual boot, that's a big mistake.
Tell that to a Windows user, who want to try Linux. "Just delete your Windows". Thats pretty much the mindset that keeps Linux small on the desktop market.
@@vast634 One of the best ways to teach someone Linux and show the benefits, is probably via a virtual machine. That way they still have the comfort of booting into windows, and don't risk losing any data during the installation process for Linux. But that is really hardware specific, that route won't work well on older or lower end hardware. The other option is using a live USB with perpetual storage, which Rufus can enable for Ubuntu and Mint.
It's extremely simple if you use 2 separate drives
@@HarakiriRock You know and i know, but majority of people don't know what a drive is. They just go to the browser and check email and socials.
@BimmyRee yep. My current setup is a 4tb nvme for linux, which is the primary boot device. Then a seperate 2tb nvme for windows. I use os-prober to allow windows to be selectable from the grub menu. Very simple. I barely go into windows at all. Just there for a few of the online games where the anti cheats are not enabled for Linux.
Is not linux is gnu+linux but actualy is gnu+linux+systemd but actualy is not gnu+linux+systemd but actualy is gnu+linux+systemd+wayland but actualy is gnu+linux+systemd+wayland+xorg and list goes on
I use Arch, Btw and I love it.
Its not choosing a distro that turns new users away from Linux, most people know enough to search "best linux for beginners." Its the fact that Linux elitists make it sound like you need to know how to code, memorize command lines, and remember 50 keyboard shortcuts to be able to use Linux "properly." Its the 'install via terminal' snobs, and the 'RTFM' replies when you ask a question. The average user doesn't want or even need all that, they just need an OS that can work out of the box, with an uncluttered and easy to use desktop environment, and well-rounded app support.
I honestly feel like some of the elitists do this because they don’t want more people using Linux.
Half true. You're just missing a substantial part of the "why". I began as a Amiga power user, shell was my go to for system work and general mucking about, GUI was for apps. Then NT4 and having to put up with trash CLI tools. First time i had to look into *nix was for web dev, back in the 90's. Given how i liked to use stuff, little surprise i ended with Slack and a LOT of configure && make && make install to self roll LAMP's, because... from source was easier than dealing with packages. These days i hardly use *nix ever, unless i need to spin up something very specific, like a private Certificate Authority, a proxy or similar, because Visual Studio is a "permanent requirement" of doing work.
Now, extrapolate that most people that will be giving out help to "people that are lost in the sauce" are mostly like me in terms of technical leaning, but with little to no social skills. No surprise that RTFM and "use the terminal" and "user a real distro" are some of the go to's from that crowd. It's not that they are mean or snob or elitist, it's mostly that they can't even view the world from a "non power user" perspective.
As a parallel, it's the same reason so few teachers are actually great. Most lack the capability to understand the limitations of the people they are teaching and thus never do the work to "step down" so they can properly interact with people that aren't quite there yet.
When I introduce people to Linux, I always think back to when I first switched to Linux.
Having tried Ubuntu and Mint, I found Linux to be unreasonably difficult to do anything more than web browsing and text editing. Fast forwards six years of still using Windows, I decided that I would abandon the "beginner" distro advice and just try Arch and do a manual install.
So far, my Arch experience has gone better than either my Ubuntu or Mint experience, but most of that is because of the Arch wiki and the AUR. Now I'm more intimidated by the thought of using Mint or Pop than by Arch because afaik there is nothing like the Arch wiki or the AUR for either of those.
Most of my problems have come from software just installing and being broken out of the box because the devs couldn't be bothered to include basic functionality. Bottles wouldn't recognize. exe files, my file manager refused to be anything more than a file viewer for most files. Had to install the AUR version of Bottles to get it to function, and I had to install additional software to fix the broken file manager. Even then, both still have had issues that I needed to fix, and none of those issues have been specific to Arch from what I've found.
imma just stick with mint
You know why i do not need to switch to linux?
Because my logitech g29 just works with all the features
Because my sound blaster x fi hd usb just works with all features
Because my rtx 3060ti works with ALL features including both monitors
And guess what...without a single word typed on terminal.
Not ever,one is a tinkerer
👍
Ok, you asked for it...
Actually no, the only thing i will say is that, most people just tell newbies to use Linux Mint, here in Brazil a lot of people WANT to start with Zorin or BigLinux 'cause of the community.
I don't think the Linux community have failed, i think you are too young to see what have been done.
Not only that but "distrochooser" is there it will recommend something easy for the end user, if a person don't even want to understand the concept of distros (that's a 30sec thing btw) i don't think this person really wants to use Linux.
if you can’t get new users into Ubuntu then just forget it.
Just rizz them with an Awesome Hyprland theme, they be coming like goons fr.
Install Gentoo
The internet for all of its wealth of information is inherently toxic. Its not just Linux. People argue about Chess, Solitaire and even growing vegetables on here. My suggestion is always consider buying or obtaining a book guide instead...
At the end of the day, there are only two distributions that matter: Debian and Redhat. Everything else, with some exceptions, is merely derivative.
Huh?
uhh were you tired when you wrote that? I think you meant "debian and arch"
Arch linux isn't that hard anymore.
Still wouldn’t recommend it as a first distro though.
@@DrewHowdenTech No. Linux mint will be the recommendation.
Ubuntu
We need to stop trying to turn Linux into Windows. Dumbing the platform down is only going to cause issues in the future.
Migration from Windows to Linux
Step 1-"Install a Linux distribution."
Step 2-"Frequently use the command line for tasks that Windows typically handles with a graphical interface."
Step 3-"Discover that the random command you found online either didn't work, made things worse, or only applies to a different Linux distribution or package setup."
Step 4-"Seek assistance online or provide feedback to developers regarding GUI improvements."
Step 4B"Encounter negative reactions, including mistreatment, insults, and ridicule for being a Windows user unfamiliar with Linux."
Step 5-"Go back to Windows."
step 6- use fedora
Honestly skill issue, I've never used Linux before and it took me 20 minutes to learn it, last week
Step 4B: This! My first experience of linux back in the early 2000s or 1990s was the moment I asked something about how/where to install Wine, I got dumped on with abuse and ridicule. WTF. I was exploring, and wanted to see if I could get some of my software to run on a linux system, ... too bad, I left and went back to my own sandbox. Years later, I
installed Mint on a dual boot boxen, but for some reason Mint could not connect to my networked Canon printer. Scoffing know-it-alls could not come up with a single constructive
suggestion or solution - in fact many of them displayed extremely poor reading comprehension. If someone says "I tried A, B, and C and that did not work" You do NOT ask them
did you try A? Did you try B? It's not helpful and you just look like a git. Anyway, at the time I was writing in Delphi and there was no Delphi for Linux so I abandoned the experiement.
that was 'round about Mint 17. Right now I am running Mint 21 on a testbed laptop and it works just fine. It also runs games I like to play - I am old enough to be done with 'adult stuff',
no longer need Delphi, or the software I wrote. I don't much like linux shells - oh, I could use them, I could handle them, but after AmigaDos, DRdos, and NovellDos I find linux shell too terse and cryptic. And I can't be bothered to write mile long alias scripts (if you can even do that - I can't remember).
In a nutshell: If you want to introduce people to Linux, be helpful, be courteous, don't be a Wanker "Oh, I could do that in 5 minutes after installing - you just don't have any skills".
And show off what CAN be done, and where and how to find the resources to do it.
You can build a beautiful Linux install these days without needing a single 'sudo'. 😎
@@um8078 you are the typical example of "mistreatment, insults, and ridicule for being a Windows user".
Besides, I had used Linux for decades, and can guarantee that you don't know what you are talking about.
@@Miparwo Have you ever stopped to consider that it's not the community's fault? I'm daily driving Fedora 40 so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. I'm not ridiculing you for being a Windows user, I'm ridiculing you for having skill issue
I see no reason to recommend Linux to people who expect the same monolithic kind of OS and experience as Windows to begin with. Mint or whatever else, as close as they are to providing such an experience, will not (ever, nor should they, in my opinion) approach Windows in this regard. It's not a question of elitism or gatekeeping, but choosing the right tool for the job. Those with actual interest in technology can go for it, but Linux will always remain a) a server/embedded platform, and b) a niche hobby (and I don't count Steamdeck and ChromeOS for the same reason I don't count Playstation and OSX as BSD). Every time Linux tries to emulate the experience of Windows for the sake of the supposed user friendliness, we get buggy insecure slop like GNOME, KDE, and systemd, among others.
a nice hobby? I use arch as my main OS for 3 months now and I can't see myself going back... And surveys proved that linux users do in fact use their computer for everyday tasks.
@@poleve5409 That's not what I mean by hobby. I use Gentoo for pretty much everything, and where I cannot, I pull out the distrobox. The point is that this is never an "out of the box" experience, and the tinkering that has to be done, whether for practical, exploratory, or aesthetic purpose turns the whole thing into a hobby, therefore niche. That's not at all a bad thing, but trying to make this appealing to people who couldn't care less about technology is not productive for anyone involved. The decentralized nature of Linux is just not suited for that, nor should it be.
Actually distros like Ubuntu and Linux Mint require little (if any) tinkering these days.
Linux is linux because of how it is... if people want it to be like windows, they can continue to use windows. I dont see why we need to introduce anyone to Linux lol. If a user can ont do their own research to figure out which distro they want... maybe they should not be using Linux to begin with. Also, i don't see why we need to introduce normies to linux lol...
I don't want people who don't respect software freedom on GNU/Linux. That's why I always tell them Linux is no good 🤪
Yeah, better let them rot in the Windows embrace and keep the Linux market share dangling at about 2% so that other software developers would keep ignoring Linux and not making it even more welcoming to the wide audience.
Stupid gatekeepers. At least Linux gives you the freedom to have software freedom and you can keep using your carefully crafted FOSS distro regardless of what other people in the world use. Don't tell other people what they should or shouldn't be doing with their computers.
@@user-mx6hu9yv6l I see that your blood is boiling, but I have to tell you that this was a joke. As no joke would be funny without at least a bit of truth in it, please name one OS that didn't get worse when it started being used by the masses. Thank you!
@@zveliki your statement could not be further from an obvious joke. Just saying offensive shit and hoping that everyone will understand it in reverse is silly.
What's for your request, there's probably none. Maybe some enterprise ones that only have professionals use it, but even there the situation isn't always better.
I'd ask you this. In terms of Linux, name one distro that made masses' lifes better when (or if) they started using it. Now name one that didn't. Which question was easier? I think the latter one.
There's this perpetual cycle of Linux not being popular enough because of it's bugs and lack of support, and common developers not taking it seriously because of it's low userbase. By making such gatekeeping statements you are not making switching to Linux seem more preferrable to staying on whatever else.
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🤔😂 but just what someone needs to hear
Yeah and his eyes are dead