Don't Buy An Aston Martin DBS - Why The Vanquish is Better (Review)
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- I love the Aston Martin DBS. Not the new one, the old one. Just recently a few UA-camrs have picked one up, and they have been raving about them as both cars and investments - but I think for the money, there is something much better.
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Everytime I see an Aston of this era and older, it becomes clearer that their new generation really didn't stand a chance
I do quite like the DB11, but the Vantage is bloody awful and even now the interiors of both compared to their rivals, is still poor. This Vanquish is fabulous.
@@invisiblekid99 the new ones interiors are definitely a step in the right direction. They’ve got somethings right that they hadn’t before, and others things wrong that were right before 😂
about ALL the new
sports car have lost the elegance they used to have- the design is always trying to be more aggressive than the last model and now they all look like space age alien screwdrivers to me- that kind of design is a legit path to take- but not for everything- from the lowest spec BMW 114 to a high end Aston Martin- everything has to scream I am the fastes most vulgar monster there is... I don't like that
@@olik136 you took the words right outta my mouth. My favourite car and Aston Martin will always be the DB9. I’m a millennial, idk why all manufacturers think we want everything to be aggressive over elegance.
@@olik136 perhaps now that Ferrari did a step on other direction with the Roma, we can expect that Aston could get it too.
Aston even did a kind of a throw back with the DBX styling language.
Vanquish S. One of the best sounding cars, EVER! 😎
Really? There are two Astons that drive up my road daily, both distinctive in sound. This Vanquish model and a late 00's V8, the latter gets my vote. I think the problem with modern engines is that they sound great when given "the Beans" but we don't/ cannot drive like that all the time so they end up sounding like a "toot" (being polite) in a dustbin; especially Ferraris.
@@dickieb2233 know what you mean Dickie. The vast majority of moderns, despite their performance advantage, leave me cold with their turbocharged engines and how this affects the sound. I don’t consider the Vanquish modern.
@@davidblair2874 Ha ha, I must be showing my age David. I think we will be grateful to hear anything with a petrol engine in the future.
@@dickieb2233 haha. I’m no youngster myself (56). I sold my 2012 XKR last year. An epic sounding car, IMHO 😎
@@davidblair2874 The 4.2 Jaguar V8 + derivatives along with the Aston 4.3 V8 make glorious sounds. Imagining a TVR version of the Buick V8. Haven't heard one for so long. That was a tingling tastic sound that one had to love. The smell of unburnt fuel..... Nostalgia for us 50 somethings.
That is a timeless beautiful design. A none car person would never be able to date that car. Shame about the orange bits though
Had a 2012 DBS and loved it, but there was something missing. I now own the 2014 Vanquish like the one in this video and Jay is correct. The Vanquish is a better car all the way around. However, I have the 6 speed gear box which was a bit lazy. I've since tuned it and now it's an animal.
Pew Pew meets Vroom Vroom.
You love to see it
Didn't know you were an Aston guy, but respect you all the more for it!
I am consiering purchasing one. Can you get the Vanquish in an average underground car park without destroying the front splitter? Would be good to know before getting one.
You tuned the Gearbox?
@@de9751 Yeah I used the paddles on my db9.2 as well, just don't like the upshift delay. The 8 speed's I've driven don't have that delay. I haven't been able to find a tuner for the zf6 in the Aston.
I have had a 2010 DBS, a 2016 Vanquish Volante and a 2018 Vanquish S Ultimate Coupe.
The Vanquish is, in every tangible way, better than the DBS. However, the DBS had a certain something. I still miss it. But would I swap the Vanquish to go back to the DBS? Nope.
The sound of the S version is amazing - a Merlin howl.
Every time I've seen the DBS on the street, I have been blown away by the looks. I'm sure you're correct about the Vanquish being the superior car overall though.
I always preferred the Vanquish out of all the other Aston Martins, it's definitely my favorite. The front end just looks so sleek, would love to have a go in one someday...
James...as the owner of both an old Vanquish and a DBS...despite the shitty interior and quality issues, there are 3 things that make the Vanq special.
One: it's the last hand built Aston. It is, in essence, not the first modern Aston, but the last classic one.
Two: it's the only Aston Flagship that isn't a tarted up lesser car, but actually a unique platform.
Three...its just achingly gorgeous. Motor Trend voted it the 9th most attractive car ever made, and there's a reason that Callum chose to modernise it as his first self-named car-he thinks its the prettiest car he's ever made.
All their cars are still hand-built, there's only 2 robots in the whole factory. The tub assembly and the James bonber
@@DonDon-df5ie unfortunately I've not been able to visit myself, but the production videos I've seen comparing the production process at the 2 factories is pretty different.
@@dylanbigg8288 if you're comparing against Newport then it seems a massive difference but really instead of building the cars on the one spot and bringing everything to it, its on track that takes the car around to each station. Its still hand built but more efficiently I believe. They're quite proud on not having robots on the line. Watch the build of the gold finger db5 on here, back to the old school panel beating.
@@DonDon-df5ie I can tell you that the quality difference is night and day anyway. The dbs feels like a proper car, properly screwed together and sorted. The Vanq is very clearly produced differently. Weird misalignment in the trims, panel gaps, bits falling off, etc. I still love it, but clearly something was done differently.
@@dylanbigg8288 they do factory tours at Gaydon if you contact them. Well worth it, had a few myself.
Yes, the Vanquish might be the best overall Aston Martin, and it might be one of the best looking Astons, but the DBS is, simply, the best looking car in the world. There isn't an angle on that car that is less than beautiful. Every inch of the car is just art.
Agreed. I once owned a black 2017 Vanquish S with all of the exposed carbon you can get, but if I’m to be honest my black 2008 DBS 2+0 manual is better to look at, sounds better and overall a better driver’s car.
Is the interior also the best looking in the world? I feel like when people comment on the VH Astons, they don’t bother looking inside of the car. Aston Martin’s interior during this era is a complete misstep and is something that a Bentley, Rolls Royce, Porsche etc. would never even be caught dead doing. It’s two different experiences from looking on the outside and being inside the cabin.
@@cassokon Honestly, I prefer the Aston Martin's interior to, say, a Bentley Continental GT from this time in terms of looks.
Quality wise, sure, the Conti GT is eons apart, and a RR is just a different universe altogether, however Aston's interior is just so effortlessly flush that I simply cannot help but adore it.
The newer models are shit though, the DB11/DBS are both worse looking cars than the new shape Conti GT, and their interiors are both uglier and far worse in terms of quality. Honestly anybody who bought a DB11 after the Conti GT was released was an utter idiot.
A truly stunning car, visually just about perfect, interior (despite orange leather on this car) is bang on and that sound... Wow in either V12 or V8 form, it sounds incredible. You don't buy an Aston to be the quickest, you buy an Aston for the sense of occasion, the sound and to be seen in one because they are one of the coolest brands.
best car channel on yt - was hoping this car stays under the radar coz it has been my dream car - excellent value for money now - this was the peak of Aston martin - they started going downhill from when they started fitting those nasty interiors with all those crazy shapes in the leather
these are incredible and a very very sound investment at the current price. I expect them to do very well long term.
My favourite Aston ever 😍 I think it's the best compilation of modern Aston design there could be
This is an extremely pretty car - sadly more so than anything AM are likely to ever make again. If money were no object, one of the Zagatos would be the choice but the price tag is simply eye-watering and they made so many of them that even if you drove one off a cliff you wouldn't catch up with its value.
Another great review - thanks James.
This car is very near the top of my list. I would love to have one and have been looking at them a lot on AT.
A friend was kind enough to take me out in his (S version) and I was very impressed. Comfort, performance, feel, looks and sound - all 10/10 for me. Gearbox was my main concern and, as you say James, it does a great job and suits the car.
Even the price these days is good, thanks to depreciation. But, I would likely have to lose both my Z4MR and R8 V10 Manual Spyder, and I just don't think I can. I love them too much.
That soundtrack just adds to the beauty of this car...
I really like how you present your content, very good timing with your words and very descriptive with your explanations. Love the vdeography as well!
Thankyou
Haven’t even watched yet and I’m liking because the title is a big fact!
I agree with you that the later Vanquish is better that the old DBS, the DBS does have a manual, but the automatic DBS vs Vanquish, the Vanquish is the clear winner. However i desire a DBS manual in black because i love Casion Royale. But in all honesty i probably would try to find and get a manual 08/09 DBS in black, maybe pay a bit too much for it and then after 2-5 years of a lovely relation, sell it for a Vanquish (either a 2014, maybe swap the Vanquish S exausht on it, or get a Vanquish S). Both cars do the same job to me, witch is being a lovely cruiser with a great soundtrack and performance to match a good sports car.
This car seems brilliant, the sound of that V12 was orgasmic.
Always loved the look of these from when they were launched. Sounding like a lot of car for the money now.
Had a ride in a customer 2016 Vanquish with the 8 speed ZF. Up until now the most impressing car i've ever experienced.
Painful to realize i'ts probably better than a V12 Vantage or DBS with a manual. Those are amongst my favourite cars ever made.
That red leather is definitely unforgivable
I know this will sound silly. But why didn't they just keep the chassis from this gen and just update the engine + tech?
There are a lot of manufacturers turning their backs on DCTs, the new M3/4 uses a torque converter rather than the previous DCT.
the ZF 8 speed is very impressive.. shifting nearly as fast as the DCT and smoother around town, but it's not as special or exotic feeling
@@papa_pt I've never driven a car with DCT before.
Just regular torque converters or those god awful automated manual boxes.
The most beautiful Aston Martin ever.
Far better than the DB11 variants.
Totally agree. How can you improve on the front end of this car.
Correct. Even the DB9 is way more beautiful than the DB11.
The late Vanquish here already looks like a DB11. To me, this interior Orange spec is not appealing at all. And also the exterior is not my taste, especially not the front. And who cares about the few horses more. Not of importance at all. I definitely prefer the DBS, for sure.
As an 03 Vanquish owner, I struggle to find a better looking car including the later Vs. The first Vs rear window went to a point and it had bumps and curves that gave it a real attitude. Yes, it had Ford bin parts. Yes it had a much criticised manual padle auto thingy gear box (which was ALOT of fun with proper downshift popping when you got used to it). It had an incredible sound and many a happy hour was spent in my garage just revving it up. Tunnels? Well, tunnels were my best friend.
Nah mate the old vanquish is crap
I just bought a 2015 carbon black edition vanquish and it’s exquisite to drive. I had an f type with the same 8 speed ZF gearbox so it’s really familiar. I’d maybe consider a DBS superleggara or DB11 AMR but only once they come down in price more...... so this gives me time to really explore the vanquish 😀
How’s the Vanquish?
Oh yes a a big hit with me James well done a nice eview..... luv the intro music and sign off....
Always been blown away looks. VS a 599. Just insanely British
Every Aston is astonishing
Astonishing
I love the old DBS. As far as transmissions go, however, the manual is the only good option, same with the Vantage.
In a GT, though, I honestly prefer a good Auto. This generation Vanquish is peak Aston Martin for me.
Power, Beauty, Soul at its best.
Dear Mr. Emm, please do a Lotus like comparison between the Elise, Exige, and Evora on Aston Martin’s line up. I have no clue the difference between the Vanquish, DBS, DB11, DB9, etc.
HI James - Another Great review!!!
Cheers from Vancouver Canada:-)
I want to share my experience with you of the DBS Superleggera.
In June of 2019 I had the opportunity to view & drive the new DBS Superleggera. It is Drop Dead GORGEOUS as we all know.
That exterior was in Hyper Red with a Blue Haze Metallic leather interior - So Sexy!!
But that Merc dash board (and old interface system) really disappointed me.
I went to that dealer just last week and guess what? ... It and 1 another DBS is still in stock. The MSRP is $430K Cdn (Highly speced)
If I could get it for $300'ish I'd probably get it b/c it drove very nice & sounded super with that silky smooth 5.2 L TT V-12
I do know that some vehicles will have their own quirks and that DBS is the same.
Thx again for the review - High quality and your knowledge always teaches me a few things in every video.
All the Very BEST!!!
Another great vid J 👍🏻
The mk2 Vanquish is my ultimate favourite car. One day hope to move upwards from my Vantage to this Vanquish 🙏🏻
I think you need to drive a Rapide before drawing your final conclusion. I’ve not driven the new Vanquish but don’t test drive cars unless I’m serious about buying them. But, as your fulltime job is reviewing cars so people like me can work out whether to buy/collect them and fellow enthusiasts can enjoy learning about them and seeing them driven on TV, I think a 2013 Rapide S is the sweet spot and this is what I would like to see you review to complete your excellent Aston series (which you have created without a fanfare). I actually thought your review was brilliant and it was good hearing your opinion on the manual DBS.
Got an early -14 Vanquish with a 6-speed. Not tried the 8-speed, so I`m still very satisfied. ;)
I have the same 6 speed and once I tuned it, I lost all desire for the 8 speed. Car feels like it is unleashed now.
@@ColionNoir What kind of tune did you get?
@@ColionNoir which way to tune it? I have one 6spd as well.
@@ColionNoir who tuned it?
How is the reliability on it??
If "tingle" was a sound, this v12 would be it
As soon as I start my new job I'll be trading my '09 Vantage for one of these. I love the Vanquish.
Vanquish S is this car with a bit more aggression AND, most importantly, quad exhaust to this double...the sound is another level again
There's a lovely looking black over cream 2013 car with 33k on the clock for £53,500 on AT at the minute. So much car for that money.
Personally I think the DBS is a better looking car , that’s not to say I don’t like the Vanquish but a Manual DBS is the one to keep
Pathetic
Just bought a beautiful 2013 Vanquish and your vid had a lot to do with that Jay. Thank you! Audrey 2 (little shop of horrors) and I are very happy.
Im not an AM guy but I do like the older Vanquish, great stance. This one is still great looking but I would take a Virage from the newer back catalogue.
Agree. Those are timeless.
Absolutely nailed this review. Really nicely done.
Great review James, I love this car! I currently have a new Vantage and love it as well, but when the funds permit, a Vanquish is going to join the Vantage in the garage!
MY concern with automatics with so many additional gears, IE 6,8,10, is the repair costs associated with them, when they fail, and as they are additionally complicated, I suspect that would be often. The 3 speed, in Fords large Australian cars, very rarely had a failure, whereas the 4 plus gearboxes gained a notoriety for failures.
Watched the JayEmm review on the AMV8 4.3 a few days ago. I now have a plan. Buy that first, as an introduction to Aston Martin ownership, and then after a 12 months apprenticeship graduate to the new Vanquish! Heaven.
However, anybody remember the 2012 Virage? What about a review of that car Mr J???? Let's face it you covered all the other AM's
I would love to review one of those, tough to find though
@@JayEmmOnCars Good morning Mr J. Thanks for taking the time to reply to my comment. Yes, very rare, and in my opinion very desirable. Well, if one comes up, please review. I for one will be very interested in your honest and forthright views. Cheers.
The Vanquish and Vantage of this era are arrestingly beautiful.
Just like to say Jay - love this video? Informative, but also conveys the real excitement owning one of these cars. Got to say, I would choose this model just on its name 'Vanquish. It is up there with,' Interceptor', or 'Thunderbird!' keep up the good work, & remember 'Nobody does it better - makes me feel sad for' etc. etc....!?!
Thanks Paul!
You're welcome Jay - what are you driving next?
I don't like the original 2002 Vanquish. I especially hate that curve on the hips. I'm all for muscular hips but if it looked like an allograft for hip augmentation... no. Just... no. The interior is dreadful, too.
The 2012 Vanquish, however... My god that thing just drops my jaw. The first time I saw one, I spent something like 30 minutes looking around it to drink down the detail.
Now that, is a nice looking car. Nearly perfect.
Besides the dated tech this car is by far one of the classiest and nicest Aston ever made
Nah, I would rather have a 6-speed manual DBS.
Totally agree.
Also the design is better
DBS manual any day
Totally brainwashed
I’m a Die another Day fan, and I really like the look of the Vanquish. It’s sleek, cool, and in the film universe comes with a host of useful gadgets.
Great as usual. Though having tried both, I bought a Casino Royale Manual DBS. No need to say more! After a few weeks you get used to the clutch, gearbox. Its beautiful from any angle, and will be be a keeper.
Stunningly beautiful. Hell of a value preowned Id imagine. JayEmm looks to be more James Bond like than ever in the Aston. .....
Wow ! This has got to be your best review todate 👍👍💥
Still something about the looks of the original Vanquish penned by Ian Callum that I prefer. Just gloss over the fact it was, unfortunately, in Die Another Day which wasn’t Bond’s best moment (to put it politely).
I live in the Cotswolds and drive to Tetbury and Cirencester twice every day on the school run where every other car of note is either a Land Rover, an Aston or a Porsche. Waitrose last week had 18 LR's in it 4 Astons and yes we counted them for giggles - Trouble is I can never tell which Aston I am looking at - they really have Bland not Brand as far as standing out is concerned. With all that said if you were on a mission to own a 6.0 Litre V12 which wasn't a TWR XJS the Vanquish must be the one surely? Just reminded - a guy from Forge Motorsport which were based in Staverton GLos took me out for a 'spin' in his absolutely astonishingly ridiculous missile propelled Sapphire Cosworth which bore the No Reg plate VANISH - I saw him some years later and he had sold the reg plate but kept the car. Smart thinking? I saw it recently on a Van - which sold cleaning products!!!!!! - Opportunity missed.
Great footage and sound (sweeping views held longer than usual so we can appreciate your drive). Nice perspective on the automatic 8 speed. Several manuals simply not worth having
They just announced they are finally bringing the vanquish back!! With a v12 too
Jayemm, the content king!
Thanks for another great vid.
The only UA-camr (in the car sector) who's a real journalist. Doesn't say anything redundant and never bores.
Sorry Jay, the DBS will always be the best looking car and it is great to drive. Maybe it does not suit you but then again you are starting to get a bit old and need an auto box :-)
😂
I've had a Vanquish S & DB9.2 (510bhp), I'll be really honest, £ for £ the DB9 is better value &, as the engine is exactly the same as the Vanquish, an ECU tweak takes the car to 565bhp. It also has the same carbon ceramic brakes & adaptive dampers. The 8-speed ZF has too many cogs & the 6-speed, whilst a little slower to respond, it's important to remember it's a GT car so speed of changes is irrelevant really. The differences in styling are subjective, but the prices aren't, approx £15 - 20k (pre-owned) between the 2 cars makes the DB9.2 a compelling purchase!
2018 Vanquish S is really the last true Aston, would love to see your review of that
In my country (Korea) you can get one of these with only 10,000 miles for about $120,000 now. In another year or two the price will drop well below $100,000. I will be seriously tempted then...
Another amazing review. Love watching your videos recently, the reviews remind me of early days top gear/fifth gear before all the silly stuff when they actually properly reviewed cars. Keep it up
I keep coming back watchingthis video again and again, what a car!
A 1998 Vantage 550/600 will do me, just fine.
Oh yes 👍
Awesome car not sure about the seats
James Bond's car was amazing... the sound!
The best looking car of all time.
Can’t agree more!
Love these, I still think I'd have a original vanquish with the works manual conversion though. Hope you can try one of them at some point
If you had to choose between the Vanquish and your 550 what would you have?
If you could get that Vanquish in manual then maybe..
Nah. The 8-speed ZF is THE perfect match. It's a grand tourer after all. And that ZF auto is about around the best auto 'box out there. Manual on a Vantage is perfect, but Vanquish/DBS/DB11 pares better with auto.
@@AntoniusTyas GT cars are supposed to be sporting. To me, that means more engaging. A torque converter auto isn't engaging. It's lazy, especially on downshifts, even on the Vanquish S. It's a bit better on the new Vantages and DBS Superleggera, but there are times when it just doesn't want to cooperate. If you just want to do motorway cruising, an auto box is fine. For twisty backroads and country lanes, I'll take the manual any day.
I can't comment on how it drives but the looks. Oh the looks. Probably the best looking car from a manufacturer that produces some of the most beautiful car ever.
The car that replaced it is nowhere near it in terms of looks.
The manual DBS being popular is a good thing. It means prices for the 2nd gen Vanquish will plummet, which is great if you want to buy one.
Just discovered your channel, new subscriber! Enjoy the way you review the cars, keep it up, you deserve loads more subs! 🍻
Thankyou
my absolute dream car
Bloody love that car. Exterior and Interior. Just appeals to me 👌
I love my little piglet (Cygnet), noticed the other day they started to increase in value.
Now THAT is a beautiful car.
This Vanquish sounds outstanding!
Nice one Jay. Subscribed! Greetings from South Africa.
Love these, great review, later model it is!
JayEmm your a good talker just don’t over do it.However what was your camera man on.Every time you put your foot to the floor in the Aston Martin Vanquish,the camera man kindly treated us to a close up of the front fender, exhaust,or the front windscreen.More external shots of the Vanquish tearing up public roads,or a race track would be nice.I can’t believe I’m saying this,but also if you edited the overall video just ever so slightly,I think that would blow be nice.And just a little less chat.
This is my all time favorite Aston that’s not an DB5 or DB4
I swear sometimes there must be a template for how to speak when reviewing a car. There about 10 car review folks that literally have identical articulation, pitch and inflection, identical. Aston Martin, complete opposite. Beautiful cars, totally unique.
In terms of design, this is probably my favourite Aston...
Damn I just got one
What
Pierce Brosnan kept the Vanquish used in Die Another Day.
If it’s good enough for James Bond, it’s good enough for me.
My dream car, its too beautiful
The Vanquish (2013+) is beautiful, possibly even more so than the DBS (strictly a matter of taste, of course). It's also more powerful, has an updated (but still outdated) infotainment system. It was designed to be the replacement for the DBS, so it *should* be better, at least in some ways. I think it is, but to me the Vanquish is just too close to the modern Astons in that it isolates you a bit too much from driving. No manual gearbox, less road feel. Useless back seats instead of cargo space (2+0 option on the DBS). The V12 Vantage is too stubby and small. I've driven all three, and to me, the DBS is just right. It's the last of the Aston analog GT cars. That's why I bought one. If you want something a bit newer, softer, less expensive, and less engaging, the Vanquish is for you.
I love the vanquish, so refined and beautiful
Stunning... 😍... unfortunely they are retiring the v12 for that boring turbocharged amg v8
Beautiful, but I am frightened to own one re reliability, I don't really know if this is a real fear or just gossip??
I own the car that James reviewed and there have been NO issues!! I fear in my case, you are judging by gossip alone!
@@sanjmal9568 Encouraging! They are still one of the most beautiful cars , understated class.
@@zypp33 I agree. Actually thinking back, I had a problem with loading/unloading to board Brittany Ferries...but with NCPs /speed bumps etc, I have no problems. With regard to reliability, barring the annual services at £1200 approx, I’ve had no issues!
For me, the Aston Martin DBS used in Casino Royale is the most beautiful car that Aston ever made. After that, they started to slip in looks. Current models may be awesome technical achievements but lack the desirability that a super car should make you feel.
There is a reason why they keep using classic Astons in Bond movies.....they just look so cool. (Aren’t there two in ‘No Time To Die’?)
There are 4
@@eoghanlacey6384 .......excellent, which ones? I saw the V8 from ‘The Living Daylights’ and the DB5 in the trailer, what are the other two?
Vanquish is more common ( in numbers ) so the relevant rarity of DBS's means their prices will rise while Vanquish prices will fall..... I know where I'd put my money on a 5 year bet.
Great video as ever very informative I'll keep dreaming of having a spare 60k and my pocket and this will be the one I'd go for, or I could just beg my family to rent me one for the day 😂👍
More like a spare 80K! 😢