I got a mini PC with the i5 8500t (35 Watt version). This was deliberate for the reasons you mention. It runs nice and quiet as my desktop computer, and has plenty of "power" for what I want to do, which is programming, web work, general browsing and videos. I have Debian GNU/Linux on it and it runs very well.
It's a big factor in my preference for these over laptops. So many laptops settle for 3-4 USB ports, one being DP-alt mode and a dedicated HDMI output. Meanwhile these things will happily have 5-6 USB ports plus 2-3 dedicated video ports, not to mention other things like ethernet jacks missing from modern laptops!
You should file a complaint for that power supply. You are just letting them screw over the next person if you don't. They need the lesson in this situation, not you.
I ordered a 7060 Micro with a 65w i7-8700 and it came with a 130w power supply brick and have had no issues. My mother in law needed a computer a year later so we got Dell optiplex micro 7070 with the 65w i7-9700. They shipped it with a 65w adapter and upon boot the BIOS said system performance would be limited until the correct adapter was attached. Dell Happily sent me the correct adapter. I ordered both units from Dell outlet which is the only place ive seen Dell Sell the 65w TDP versions. But for the size its amazing to have this little box with a full power i7, up to 32gb ram, with wifi/B, Nvme drive and a 3.5sata drive. Only downside is intel UHD.
It's not buyer beware, if the items you bought it as set were meant to work with each other, they should be compatible with each. And for the power supply, not booting is not compatible. In my opinion that's fraud.
So I agree, however, the goal of the series is to have lessons learned. It is better to figure this out before purchasing, than have to deal with troubleshooting and returns.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I would give that guy a negative feedback, that's a poor quality reply. He could have sent a burned up supply and said the same thing, its just garbage. Thankfully I rarely run into this with sellers, most are honest and work out a solution if there was a mistake.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I don't think the lesson is for buyers to explicitly ask if the stuff sold works as implied, I think it's to open a complaint with eBay.
Regarding the charts, they look fine, but the text labels are TINY. Increasing the font size on that would make them useful. Interesting video, though it seems like that unit was frankensteined, as I think that's a 35 Watt heatsink.
They replied on my comment earlier that in fact the heatsink shown in this video is the 65W version, which to me seems weak compared to Elitedesk mini all copper one. It would be helpful to do a temperature test.
I have a client who bought a few of these to replace some old PCs in their office, shortly before the pandemic struck. They are really tiny and were absurdly expensive. Well, in my country, anyway. They might be the exact same model as the one in the video, but they are definitely really identical. But I believe the ones they got have an SSD instead of an HDD.
I saw a similar Optiplex 7060 Micro unit locally for the equivalent of $144 USD. It doesn't have wifi, but has the i5 8500, 8gb ram, and 120gb ssd (this doesn't bother me as its easy to upgrade). I have to make sure about the power adapter being the 130w version as from the pics I got from the seller I have a suspicion its a 65w one, but I hope I'm wrong and they have 130w adapters for their Optiplex 7060 Micro systems as they also sell the 9020, 3050, 3070, 3080 Micros. Update: Seller confirmed it was the 130w adapter. Currently unsure if I would get one to replace my Xeon E3-1240 v3 + RX 560 system as that is overkill in performance, but mostly in power consumption for what I use it for which is media playback, secondary computer, and bare metal Linux test machine.
I like these - I have a lot of Intel NUCs doing my work and I also have a lot of Dell laptops doing my streaming as having a laptop helps with keeping the streams up 24/7 365 like Spike and a UPS. Thank you I will consider using these.
I would have filled a complaint for deceptive sales practices against that seller. Yes he did send a list supply, but it doesn't work with the system... So he should have said that it was a non-functioning system. A quick picture of the system not hitting with the power supply would have proven the point.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Certainly there is a lesson learned, but by the same token, not filling a complaint doesn't teach the seller the lesson he/she should have learned with regards to not decieving customers. IMO - leaving that kind of practice unchecked serves to encourage and embolden that seller in decieving other customers.
@asdrubale bisanzio I believe this was purchased through eBay, and they have a "Resolution Center". One of the options is for recieving an item that does not match the sellers description. That's what I would have filled. IMO - this is not about getting the money back, it is just about keeping the seller honest. If they realize that customers will take action when they are deceitful, and they are jeopardizing their standing with eBay then they might learn a lesson.
I bought a 7050 with an i5 6500 and the seller sent it with a 95 watt PSU. The system did boot, and I didn't get that message, but the CPU was limited in a lower power state as a result. However, I was slightly upset because the seller should have tested it out with the power supply and made sure everything was working at some point. I do as a seller, and I expect the same from others. If not, it should be sold as untested. Granted, perhaps it could be an oversight in my case, because you wouldn't know unless you were looking to make sure the CPU was boosting properly. In your case, there's no excuse IMO.
I just recently purchased a 7050 same as yours but after watching this video I'm all crap wait a minute. So I grabbed it and started investigating it. BTW I haven't plugged it in yet lol The brick stats are 90watt and matches the pc requirements on the micro so I'm pretty sure it is what it is. Got my fingers crossed 🤞
I was given a HP Elitedesk 800 G1 DM that had a dead NIC. snagged a new mobo from ebay for it and installed server2012r2 on it. It's just the i3-4160T model, upgraded to 8gb mem, but it's great as my little torrent/serviio/SMB server. i have a couple of 2.5" external drives that i store media on, plugged into it.
Will there ever be a head to head performance comparison of all tiny micros? Maybe a cost/performance chart? Perhaps a matrix with capabilities like USB type-C, etc?
We have a moderator in the forums that has a bunch of the systems in a glossary format, forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/tiny-mini-micro-pc-experiences.30230/ We can probably do a USB generation/ capabilities matrix, but it is fairly difficult to do cost/ performance. These can have different CPUs, memory configurations, and pricing changes. Thunderbolt/ USB Type-C ports can be added sometimes to the expansion slot. What we are trying to do is show off features of each generation along with the service and expansion aspects. Feedback understood though. Just trying to get something that is useful.
I was thinking this might be worth it, I like this little platform, very robust and flexible...but. There's a big difference between a 14nm Intel 65w cpu and a 7nm AMD 65w cpu in terms of thermal performance. I'd love a 4350g/4650g in this package.
Ikr! This is especially useful if you need decent graphics because intel desktop graphics are not good. Even Iris Xe will be limited on desktop chips (24EU on desktop vs 72 EU on mobile) which is a shame for these mini PCs
@TheGoat The main problem is that "TDP" has to be in quotes. At 65 watts actual power draw, the AMD processors perform better and probably produce a little less heat. TDP is a marketing number, and had little bearing on real performance metrics.
@TheGoat at the same load, Zen 2 is FAR more efficient. The efficiency means a lot as these are just overclocked laptops parts. It would mean the difference between constantly noisy PC and a quiet one at the same load! And its also possible to limit the 4650G to 35W. Hell, 4750G is you're crazy enough or you're like "I wonder what it would be with EIGHT cores..."
@TheGoat In this case efficiency is actually the biggest issue. Intel's 14nm process is phenomenal when paired with their latest architectures. This is true as long as the chip can be supplied with adequate power and the cooling that goes along with it. 14nm on its own is as efficient as most other foundries 10nm, but can't keep up with TSMC 7nm with comparable architecture. In a SFF PC, efficiency matters, so a "65w" cpu that produces 65w of heat in a real word workload (intel chip) vs a "65w" cpu that produces 20w (amd chip) of heat at the same performance level will be unusable. If efficiency is no problem, 14nm is absolutely outstanding. At high power draw, intel can crush anyone. But you don't have SFF cooling solutions that can keep up with the "fast and hot" intel chips.
2 years ago I found a 7060 micro on craigslist for $300 with the 8700t and 16gb of ram. At the time they were going for ~$800 on ebay. I threw a cheap ssd in it and it was my TV controller until I found a 6i7kyb. I kept the older nuc just because I think they're more interesting machines.
@@KingzClaraYT Re-read your question and had to edit lol. I sold the 7060 very shortly after I got it, I doubt the i7 8700t is much of a gamer on its own though. I specifically kept the older NUC because it had a thunderbolt 3 port and the 7060 did not. Ended up selling my egpu enclosure to though, just never used it.
I've just got one brand new, it has 3x DP ports - I don't get what the point is? Why not 3 different video out ports? It would be a lot more versatile with 1x DP , 1 x HDMI and 1 x VGA for example. It is really not a system meant to output video on multiple monitors at a time, different port types would be much more useful in terms of connectivity.
That seller would be getting be getting pushed for a partial refund or to suck up the cost and have it shipped back. Shipping stuff with what they say is one thing, but shipping something under the guise of it not working while claiming what is a reasonable expectation of a tool that works is semi-fraud. In other words, it is reasonable to expect that if a person says they will supply a dell power supply with a dell computer, or laptop, that that power supply should work on said device. To put a non functioning power supply in a bundle where reasonable expectation is they will be compatible means the seller itself is shady, and eBay does not like shady. This 100% would go all the way in the favor of the buyer, since ebay is very pro buyer.
i was looking at the Dell OptiPlex 7060 Micro i only see 1 antenna yours has 2 on the back of yours , mabe someone can a second anteena,, i seen a lot of these come with the T 35 watt cpu ,, at least its not solderd to the motherborad so its upgradeable,,,,,, i just saw on ebay the optiplex 7050 micro with the 65 watt cpu has the optional wifi card with 2 antennas on the back and the 35 watt cpu has the wifi card with 1 antenna on the back and and one antenna inside of the opitplex
Nick did a guide on these for the STH main site. It is not using this exact model, but is effectively the same. I would use a T version for Plex instead of a 65W CPU version. www.servethehome.com/sth-project-tinyminimicro-the-plex-server-setup-guide/
Very nice video! I was hoping you would do a video describing pros and cons of the higher TDP models, so this is very nice. I recently (last week) bought an EliteDesk 800 G4 DM (mini) based on your very positive feedback in your UA-cam video and review article. It is interesting that there seems to be virtually no price difference between i5-8500T and i5-8500 models on eBay, so to me it made sense to get a faster one (I'm not stacking them so the fact that the intake/vents are on the top is not a concern). A couple of observations: 1. You note that the fan rpm ramp (at least for Dell) is much more aggressive on the 65W CPU. It would be interesting for you to do a comparison of noise at idle. For me, using this as a desktop machine, I will gladly take 20% more performance (for the same price) in exchange for it being loud at full-blast, as long as it is quiet at idle. I would assume that identical T and non-T models consume more or less the same amount of power @ the same clock multiplier, but the base clock of the T models is lower. 2., I had the same PSU issue! I bought a non-HP branded power supply that matched the specs on the bottom of the unit, but it gave me a BIOS error code (3.4). Only genuine HP "smart" power supplies apparently work in the 65W TDP model, whereas research suggests that any equivalent laptop PSU will work with the 35W units.
That last one is an important lesson. OTOH, I would never sell a PC with the wrong power adapter. If I'm selling a "working PC", I want it to BE a WORKING PC when the customer gets it. Otherwise, I'm goanna piss off customers. Not a good business plan. It's also STUPID to send the wrong one. It could have been included with a PC that actually used a 65-Watt brick. If the customer that needed a 130 Watt and only has 1 PC, they'll probably throw the 65 Watt one away. Stupid waste for "bad press".
If your runninf a non T processor, you really need a 65 watt heatsink/fan for this unit. I have a Lenovo M910Q with a i7-7700 processor and coold not cool it without the upgraded heat sink. Thanks for the video.
That is definitely a different heatsink for the higher power sku - your 7070 review shows an extruded heatsink, whereas this one has one built up from al sheets
I wonder how practical it is to source a slightly bigger perspex case for this & put in some Noctua fans - maybe a bigger heat sink. - I guess the perf difference is not big enough to justify the effort.
@@brentgreeff1115 Might as well just buy the next size up system to begin with (i.e. MATX or ATX). That'll come with a bigger cooler and more space if you want to play with aftermarket coolers
I got my micro 7070 for $150 off ebay. It had a Celeron (16 gigs RAM, 256 gig SATA SSD, Win 11, 130 watt supply). I had an i5 8500 (no 'T') lying around. It worked okay, but experienced lots of freezes. I thinned out the heatsink compound, which eventually made it a reliable PC. The problem I couldn't solve was the audio from the headphone jack. It 'POPS' periodically. Loud. Mostly it happened when audio is present in a program, after a period of quiet...like the audio subsystem shut down when idle, and needed to be restarted on demand. I haven't solved that problem yet, but the workaround was to use a cheap USB sound dongle. That's fine, but I'd like to tackle the original 'pop' problem. Any ideas?
That heatsink looks weak for 65W TDP. I have the 65W Elitedesk G4 mini and the heatsink is beefier and all copper, not aluminum. IIRC Optiplex micro with 65W should have copper heatsinks too. You should be careful because there are people that put 65W CPUs on 35W models, and while that may work on some models the longevity of the components is questionable because they are being pushed past their design limits. It would have been very useful if you included temperature testing and a clip of the pc working and fan noise. For the record, the temps on the 65W Elitedesk mini get to mid 80s (°C) on full load cinebench multi core, and the fan is pretty audible like Patrick said, but it does not thermal throttle like other models (cough cough Intel Mac mini). But in standard usage temps are good and noise is null, I really like having the extra headroom when needed.
can you under volt or under clock the cpu so it runs less hot? meybe with throttlestop? its always better to have more headroom in my opinion sometimes you are like screw noise i want this job done as fast as possible
A bit different. TinyPilot sells as an assembled kit, and has gone through iterations. It has worked relatively well since November when it arrived. Until PiKVM sales happen, TinyPilot is basically the turnkey option to get up and running quickly.
What about underclocking with XTU? Say I get a 65W system, and underclock it to substantially? wouldn't the slightly better cooler make this better? Or is the cooling setup ditto?
If nerds want to be hard core you can use a pci-e extender then have the latest video card sitting outside with it's own power supply. I think it can contain 1 nvme and 1 ssd. 2 drives is best for gaming.
If a seller sells you a system that doesn't work because of the wrong power supply, you should return it! If they get enough returns and complaints, they will stop screwing their customers!
I have 7080 micro, i want to upgrade the graphics card.. which slot is it for graphics card. Also can i use any external highend graphics card for gaming.. or which internal card will it work
I like these to run ESXi on because the custom image works across all Dell machines. I'm a telephony guy and not hardcore IT guy. The 65W heatsink is larger than the 35W heatsink but curiously the 65W heatsink is only retained by 3 screws whereas the 35W is retained by 4 screws. The 35W units seem to be more likely to have built-in wifi.
Why two M.2 NVMe slots? I'd rather have a larger drive caddy with space for two 2,5" drives so that I can buy multiple cheaper SSDs for the mini-pc system!
@@iagree7388 I would also trade faster 2.5" SSDs for older, bulkier and much slower mechanical hard drives depending on the price per storage ratio! I live in a third-world country so prices for technology products are just insanely high. I don't mind having someone doing charity for me anyways.
I am looking for a MicroPC like this to be used as a PfSense/Untangle router. I need to have at least 4 gigabit nics. The only company that I know of that provides this is Qotom. They only offer dual core and celeron processors but I would like something a little bit more modern and robust. Any suggestions?
The Lenovo M720q, M920q, M920x and P330 have a PCI slot, that can come with a X350-T4 Intel 4 Port NIC. I guess Dell has one too. STH also has a Video about that.
for the HDMI port option, can you get audio out on said port? or do you get sound out on the DisplayPorts? thinking more if i was to use said system as a pc that i could hook it up to the tv and watch youtube and sutch on it.
DisplayPort does audio passthrough, so if you used a DP to HDMI adapter or cable it would work. Dell makes a mount for these so you can attach them to the back of a TV or monitor using the VESA mount holes.
@@bernardoalbano1816 No benefit? Since when is cooler operation not a benefit? Maybe the CPU even boosts better and you get more performance out of it.
Seeing as it didn't come with a proper power brick and you had to get one, they could have just not included one at all... But how do you know if this even works or not? I wouldn't buy this at all or even consider knowing this information. There are better things out there that come with the proper stuff.
Hey, got a question. I have the 7060 micros as well but mine looked to be rated for 90 watt. On the bottom it says the power input is 19.5 volts and 4.62 amps. Is it possible that some are rated for 130 W while some are rated for 90 w?
Not without an m.2 adapter and it looking a bit janky. There are multiple videos on UA-cam, however this is what I recommend: ua-cam.com/video/55Ak3YfVQNs/v-deo.html
2 questions, could anyone tell me if the GPU can be expanded in this optiplex micro version? and does the C port is for data transfer as well? or just for charging, I cannot see my Samsung s20 + data through it. Thanks a lot!!!
The GPU could perhaps be expanded via the m.2 slot, as you can get an adapter, however it will look a bit janky as the actual machine has no PCIe Slot (See here:ua-cam.com/video/55Ak3YfVQNs/v-deo.html). And I’m not sure about the USB C port, however I wouldn’t see why not.
Saw your review of the ASRock Rack X570D4U-2L2T, how can you make a review of such a platform without mentioning whether it's T-topology or Daisy Chain memory trace layout? Also why is there no video? Another surface-scraping review outlet...
part of my job is to fix these pc for Florida. i dont know if its because of shitting design or simple tons of these pc being used..but i seen some weird shit with these just dying.
@@carloscuevas8268 I'd rather get a SFF and install cards properly. They may not look as "cute" as a TinyMicro, but cost roughly the same and offer more RAM expandability thanks to 4 DIMM slots.
I am surprised how you did not cover a kill-a-watt test in idle conditions and at say 50% and 100% load. There is a reference of 80W usage but would it not be right to cover this important test as objective of this video is really to cover T and non T processors? Very disappointed to tell you frankly.
We have the idle numbers on the main site. Generally we just use a range that is basically idle to max. We also do not use low-end measurement gear like Kill-A-Watt units. The challenge doing exact numbers for T to non-T is that we did not have the 7060 with the T variant. So we could compare a HP or Lenovo unit to this unit, but since Dell uses a different cooling setup for the non-T version, the measurements would not be comparing just the T to non-T difference.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for your reply. I somehow thought we had same model with T and non T CPU. I agree.. different vendors to compare T Vs nonT would not be useful. I will head over to the site now to see what other numbers are available. Keep up the good work guys.. it's my sunday morning ritual to see what you stuff you have posted..
I don't get the point of this review, it was clearly only that cheap because they were clearing them out to make room for the 7080 micro which is much more expensive, and in line with what you'd expect for a Computer with the specs they have.
We are looking at over two dozen of these units as inexpensive cluster nodes. Most are 35W, but we wanted to check out a 65W offering. Dell, HPE, and Lenovo all sell tons of these systems, so we are looking at generational differences, vendor differences, and spec/options for the systems we purchased.
please help , I have this same specific model and the CPU fan is always spinning at very low RPM as a result this tiny pc is getting very hot even on surfing internet browser chrome temp. around 75 to 85 c always , it is painful there in no CPU fan control option in BIOS , anybody can resolve this issue I will be greatful to you . regards .
I got a mini PC with the i5 8500t (35 Watt version). This was deliberate for the reasons you mention. It runs nice and quiet as my desktop computer, and has plenty of "power" for what I want to do, which is programming, web work, general browsing and videos. I have Debian GNU/Linux on it and it runs very well.
It always amazes me how these tiny micro-pc's have more ports on them than your average modern-day laptop, even 17" models.
It's a big factor in my preference for these over laptops. So many laptops settle for 3-4 USB ports, one being DP-alt mode and a dedicated HDMI output. Meanwhile these things will happily have 5-6 USB ports plus 2-3 dedicated video ports, not to mention other things like ethernet jacks missing from modern laptops!
Laptops don't need ports. They are supposed to be self-contained.
You should file a complaint for that power supply. You are just letting them screw over the next person if you don't. They need the lesson in this situation, not you.
Calm down.........
Gotta say, I would be unhappy with a seller that sold me system that wouldn't boot with what they included. Love the series!
I ordered a 7060 Micro with a 65w i7-8700 and it came with a 130w power supply brick and have had no issues.
My mother in law needed a computer a year later so we got Dell optiplex micro 7070 with the 65w i7-9700. They shipped it with a 65w adapter and upon boot the BIOS said system performance would be limited until the correct adapter was attached. Dell Happily sent me the correct adapter.
I ordered both units from Dell outlet which is the only place ive seen Dell Sell the 65w TDP versions.
But for the size its amazing to have this little box with a full power i7, up to 32gb ram, with wifi/B, Nvme drive and a 3.5sata drive. Only downside is intel UHD.
Am using this line in office and am really happy. Its been almost 5 years and no issues
It's not buyer beware, if the items you bought it as set were meant to work with each other, they should be compatible with each. And for the power supply, not booting is not compatible. In my opinion that's fraud.
So I agree, however, the goal of the series is to have lessons learned. It is better to figure this out before purchasing, than have to deal with troubleshooting and returns.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I would give that guy a negative feedback, that's a poor quality reply. He could have sent a burned up supply and said the same thing, its just garbage. Thankfully I rarely run into this with sellers, most are honest and work out a solution if there was a mistake.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I don't think the lesson is for buyers to explicitly ask if the stuff sold works as implied, I think it's to open a complaint with eBay.
Lesson learnt is not to buy stuff from eBay?
@@edc1569 Not at all, generally I've had very good luck buying used technology on eBay.
Dell Optiplex 7060, includes photograph of 130W power brick
Regarding the charts, they look fine, but the text labels are TINY. Increasing the font size on that would make them useful.
Interesting video, though it seems like that unit was frankensteined, as I think that's a 35 Watt heatsink.
@TheGoat Yup. Most of these do. I haven't looked recently, but I can't recall seeing one that didn't come with a T series chip.
They replied on my comment earlier that in fact the heatsink shown in this video is the 65W version, which to me seems weak compared to Elitedesk mini all copper one. It would be helpful to do a temperature test.
Yeah unreadable chart text
I have a client who bought a few of these to replace some old PCs in their office, shortly before the pandemic struck. They are really tiny and were absurdly expensive. Well, in my country, anyway. They might be the exact same model as the one in the video, but they are definitely really identical. But I believe the ones they got have an SSD instead of an HDD.
Would certainly like to see a deep clean video for machines that do have “gunk” in the fans and such!
I love this kind of small computers. I have 2 Lenovo TinyPC M73 with Haswell-era cpus and I like them!
I put a 8700k in mine and set it up as a Hackintosh! Works great.
I finally know why they provide me the 130 watts power brick, thanks.
I'm obviously a Dell guy. Dells being so dang easy to work on is one of the things I love about them.
I saw a similar Optiplex 7060 Micro unit locally for the equivalent of $144 USD. It doesn't have wifi, but has the i5 8500, 8gb ram, and 120gb ssd (this doesn't bother me as its easy to upgrade). I have to make sure about the power adapter being the 130w version as from the pics I got from the seller I have a suspicion its a 65w one, but I hope I'm wrong and they have 130w adapters for their Optiplex 7060 Micro systems as they also sell the 9020, 3050, 3070, 3080 Micros.
Update: Seller confirmed it was the 130w adapter.
Currently unsure if I would get one to replace my Xeon E3-1240 v3 + RX 560 system as that is overkill in performance, but mostly in power consumption for what I use it for which is media playback, secondary computer, and bare metal Linux test machine.
I like these - I have a lot of Intel NUCs doing my work and I also have a lot of Dell laptops doing my streaming as having a laptop helps with keeping the streams up 24/7 365 like Spike and a UPS.
Thank you I will consider using these.
How about i7-8700T (35W) vs i5-8500 (65W)? are they similar?
I would have filled a complaint for deceptive sales practices against that seller. Yes he did send a list supply, but it doesn't work with the system... So he should have said that it was a non-functioning system. A quick picture of the system not hitting with the power supply would have proven the point.
I look at it as the value of getting a key lesson learned for the series that I can share.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Certainly there is a lesson learned, but by the same token, not filling a complaint doesn't teach the seller the lesson he/she should have learned with regards to not decieving customers. IMO - leaving that kind of practice unchecked serves to encourage and embolden that seller in decieving other customers.
@asdrubale bisanzio I believe this was purchased through eBay, and they have a "Resolution Center". One of the options is for recieving an item that does not match the sellers description. That's what I would have filled. IMO - this is not about getting the money back, it is just about keeping the seller honest. If they realize that customers will take action when they are deceitful, and they are jeopardizing their standing with eBay then they might learn a lesson.
I bought a 7050 with an i5 6500 and the seller sent it with a 95 watt PSU. The system did boot, and I didn't get that message, but the CPU was limited in a lower power state as a result. However, I was slightly upset because the seller should have tested it out with the power supply and made sure everything was working at some point. I do as a seller, and I expect the same from others. If not, it should be sold as untested. Granted, perhaps it could be an oversight in my case, because you wouldn't know unless you were looking to make sure the CPU was boosting properly. In your case, there's no excuse IMO.
I just recently purchased a 7050 same as yours but after watching this video I'm all crap wait a minute. So I grabbed it and started investigating it. BTW I haven't plugged it in yet lol
The brick stats are 90watt and matches the pc requirements on the micro so I'm pretty sure it is what it is. Got my fingers crossed 🤞
@@lickalittle I ended up contacting the seller and they ended up sending me the 130 watt adapter. After that everything's been working fine since.
I bought one of these for €160 , as electricity prices are going crazy this is going to save some units rather than my usual Pc idling around 300w
This should idle WELL below 300W :-)
I got a Lenovo M73 tiny that I put a i5 4570 in, fast little machine for the size, pretty much the same size as that one.
Surprising to hear that the T and non-T do have such different performance. I always thought that the T was basically the same chip.
I was given a HP Elitedesk 800 G1 DM that had a dead NIC. snagged a new mobo from ebay for it and installed server2012r2 on it. It's just the i3-4160T model, upgraded to 8gb mem, but it's great as my little torrent/serviio/SMB server. i have a couple of 2.5" external drives that i store media on, plugged into it.
Will there ever be a head to head performance comparison of all tiny micros? Maybe a cost/performance chart? Perhaps a matrix with capabilities like USB type-C, etc?
We have a moderator in the forums that has a bunch of the systems in a glossary format, forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/tiny-mini-micro-pc-experiences.30230/
We can probably do a USB generation/ capabilities matrix, but it is fairly difficult to do cost/ performance. These can have different CPUs, memory configurations, and pricing changes. Thunderbolt/ USB Type-C ports can be added sometimes to the expansion slot. What we are trying to do is show off features of each generation along with the service and expansion aspects.
Feedback understood though. Just trying to get something that is useful.
I just scored one of these but with the 65w i7-8700 6 core 12 thread for $356. Will make a nice home lab proxmox server.
I was thinking this might be worth it, I like this little platform, very robust and flexible...but.
There's a big difference between a 14nm Intel 65w cpu and a 7nm AMD 65w cpu in terms of thermal performance. I'd love a 4350g/4650g in this package.
Ikr! This is especially useful if you need decent graphics because intel desktop graphics are not good. Even Iris Xe will be limited on desktop chips (24EU on desktop vs 72 EU on mobile) which is a shame for these mini PCs
@TheGoat The main problem is that "TDP" has to be in quotes. At 65 watts actual power draw, the AMD processors perform better and probably produce a little less heat. TDP is a marketing number, and had little bearing on real performance metrics.
@TheGoat at the same load, Zen 2 is FAR more efficient. The efficiency means a lot as these are just overclocked laptops parts. It would mean the difference between constantly noisy PC and a quiet one at the same load!
And its also possible to limit the 4650G to 35W. Hell, 4750G is you're crazy enough or you're like "I wonder what it would be with EIGHT cores..."
@TheGoat In this case efficiency is actually the biggest issue. Intel's 14nm process is phenomenal when paired with their latest architectures. This is true as long as the chip can be supplied with adequate power and the cooling that goes along with it. 14nm on its own is as efficient as most other foundries 10nm, but can't keep up with TSMC 7nm with comparable architecture. In a SFF PC, efficiency matters, so a "65w" cpu that produces 65w of heat in a real word workload (intel chip) vs a "65w" cpu that produces 20w (amd chip) of heat at the same performance level will be unusable.
If efficiency is no problem, 14nm is absolutely outstanding. At high power draw, intel can crush anyone. But you don't have SFF cooling solutions that can keep up with the "fast and hot" intel chips.
@TheGoat 4650G is the same as a 4600U. it's literally the same silicon. 4650G is NOT a 3600 with a IGP!
2 years ago I found a 7060 micro on craigslist for $300 with the 8700t and 16gb of ram. At the time they were going for ~$800 on ebay. I threw a cheap ssd in it and it was my TV controller until I found a 6i7kyb. I kept the older nuc just because I think they're more interesting machines.
If you still have it was it able to run some heavy gaming since it has 16gb of ram? Also what intel core did it have 😊
@@KingzClaraYT Re-read your question and had to edit lol. I sold the 7060 very shortly after I got it, I doubt the i7 8700t is much of a gamer on its own though. I specifically kept the older NUC because it had a thunderbolt 3 port and the 7060 did not. Ended up selling my egpu enclosure to though, just never used it.
16:09 There are two power supplies for the 7060 mini a 90W (35WTDP CPUs) and the 130W (65WTDP CPUs).
I've just got one brand new, it has 3x DP ports - I don't get what the point is? Why not 3 different video out ports? It would be a lot more versatile with 1x DP , 1 x HDMI and 1 x VGA for example. It is really not a system meant to output video on multiple monitors at a time, different port types would be much more useful in terms of connectivity.
That seller would be getting be getting pushed for a partial refund or to suck up the cost and have it shipped back. Shipping stuff with what they say is one thing, but shipping something under the guise of it not working while claiming what is a reasonable expectation of a tool that works is semi-fraud. In other words, it is reasonable to expect that if a person says they will supply a dell power supply with a dell computer, or laptop, that that power supply should work on said device. To put a non functioning power supply in a bundle where reasonable expectation is they will be compatible means the seller itself is shady, and eBay does not like shady. This 100% would go all the way in the favor of the buyer, since ebay is very pro buyer.
Gosh I love mini-pcs, omg!
Name and shame. He shipped a non-booting system.
these mini pcs are everywhere
Luv the series
This looks perfect to use as a multimedia PC for my TV. Does it support 4k / 60 fps?
i was looking at the Dell OptiPlex 7060 Micro i only see 1 antenna yours has 2 on the back of yours , mabe someone can a second anteena,, i seen a lot of these come with the T 35 watt cpu ,, at least its not solderd to the motherborad so its upgradeable,,,,,, i just saw on ebay the optiplex 7050 micro with the 65 watt cpu has the optional wifi card with 2 antennas on the back and the 35 watt cpu has the wifi card with 1 antenna on the back and and one antenna inside of the opitplex
I would like to see a budget low power consumption Plex build with one of these.
Nick did a guide on these for the STH main site. It is not using this exact model, but is effectively the same. I would use a T version for Plex instead of a 65W CPU version. www.servethehome.com/sth-project-tinyminimicro-the-plex-server-setup-guide/
i dont see the fank gunk as a problem, as it is very easy to clean.
Very nice video! I was hoping you would do a video describing pros and cons of the higher TDP models, so this is very nice.
I recently (last week) bought an EliteDesk 800 G4 DM (mini) based on your very positive feedback in your UA-cam video and review article. It is interesting that there seems to be virtually no price difference between i5-8500T and i5-8500 models on eBay, so to me it made sense to get a faster one (I'm not stacking them so the fact that the intake/vents are on the top is not a concern). A couple of observations:
1. You note that the fan rpm ramp (at least for Dell) is much more aggressive on the 65W CPU. It would be interesting for you to do a comparison of noise at idle. For me, using this as a desktop machine, I will gladly take 20% more performance (for the same price) in exchange for it being loud at full-blast, as long as it is quiet at idle.
I would assume that identical T and non-T models consume more or less the same amount of power @ the same clock multiplier, but the base clock of the T models is lower.
2., I had the same PSU issue! I bought a non-HP branded power supply that matched the specs on the bottom of the unit, but it gave me a BIOS error code (3.4). Only genuine HP "smart" power supplies apparently work in the 65W TDP model, whereas research suggests that any equivalent laptop PSU will work with the 35W units.
Wish there where time stamps cause there's a lotta. It getting to the point here. Good vid tho thanks
That last one is an important lesson. OTOH, I would never sell a PC with the wrong power adapter. If I'm selling a "working PC", I want it to BE a WORKING PC when the customer gets it. Otherwise, I'm goanna piss off customers. Not a good business plan. It's also STUPID to send the wrong one. It could have been included with a PC that actually used a 65-Watt brick. If the customer that needed a 130 Watt and only has 1 PC, they'll probably throw the 65 Watt one away. Stupid waste for "bad press".
Is it not possible to add an additional m.2 30mm nvme in the spot you added the Wi-Fi card?
Does this take a M.2 NVME PCIE SSD? I bought this Micro Desktop and plan to install this drive.
would two 32gb or 64 total ram work in the unit?
Thanks!
Wow thanks!!!
If your runninf a non T processor, you really need a 65 watt heatsink/fan for this unit. I have a Lenovo M910Q with a i7-7700 processor and coold not cool it without the upgraded heat sink. Thanks for the video.
That is definitely a different heatsink for the higher power sku - your 7070 review shows an extruded heatsink, whereas this one has one built up from al sheets
Yes we put those in the STH main site review for a quick comparison.
seems good, if you can limit the higher TDP CPU to a lower power and have it run quieter than the stock 8500T at same performance
I wonder how practical it is to source a slightly bigger perspex case for this & put in some Noctua fans - maybe a bigger heat sink. - I guess the perf difference is not big enough to justify the effort.
@@brentgreeff1115 Might as well just buy the next size up system to begin with (i.e. MATX or ATX). That'll come with a bigger cooler and more space if you want to play with aftermarket coolers
@@maxhammick948 - no thats too big. - look at the Ryzen 4750G ASRock Desk Mini Build
The i7 8700t is probably the best CPU for this form factor. It beats the 8500 65w in cpu mark at half the power usage!
Actually, the i7-8700 would be better. I have an HP ED 800 G4 with i7-8700. Quite a performer. Only draws 65W.
I got my micro 7070 for $150 off ebay. It had a Celeron (16 gigs RAM, 256 gig SATA SSD, Win 11, 130 watt supply). I had an i5 8500 (no 'T') lying around. It worked okay, but experienced lots of freezes. I thinned out the heatsink compound, which eventually made it a reliable PC.
The problem I couldn't solve was the audio from the headphone jack. It 'POPS' periodically. Loud. Mostly it happened when audio is present in a program, after a period of quiet...like the audio subsystem shut down when idle, and needed to be restarted on demand. I haven't solved that problem yet, but the workaround was to use a cheap USB sound dongle.
That's fine, but I'd like to tackle the original 'pop' problem. Any ideas?
That heatsink looks weak for 65W TDP. I have the 65W Elitedesk G4 mini and the heatsink is beefier and all copper, not aluminum. IIRC Optiplex micro with 65W should have copper heatsinks too. You should be careful because there are people that put 65W CPUs on 35W models, and while that may work on some models the longevity of the components is questionable because they are being pushed past their design limits.
It would have been very useful if you included temperature testing and a clip of the pc working and fan noise.
For the record, the temps on the 65W Elitedesk mini get to mid 80s (°C) on full load cinebench multi core, and the fan is pretty audible like Patrick said, but it does not thermal throttle like other models (cough cough Intel Mac mini). But in standard usage temps are good and noise is null, I really like having the extra headroom when needed.
If you check out the STH main site article, we have pictures of the 35W Dell heatsinks from different generations in there.
With an Ryzen CPU these bricks would be interesting. But on a quick view none of these Minibricks have SFP+ or at least 5GigE, which is a pity.
We have done a few Ryzen options, but those are usually 35W versions and we do not have a Zen3 version yet.
Which is better: optiplex or lenovo thinkcenter tiny? Why?
Lenovo or HP are the best right now depending on the use case. Dell has been behind for a few generations. Also, get a 35W version
can you under volt or under clock the cpu so it runs less hot? meybe with throttlestop?
its always better to have more headroom in my opinion sometimes you are like screw noise i want this job done as fast as possible
how's the TinyPilot compares to PiKVM?
A bit different. TinyPilot sells as an assembled kit, and has gone through iterations. It has worked relatively well since November when it arrived. Until PiKVM sales happen, TinyPilot is basically the turnkey option to get up and running quickly.
i have a lenovo m700 tiny and a expgdc dock and i idly game on mine and its not bad i5 6600k cook tho 75 deg on average for the cpu but it can game
What about underclocking with XTU? Say I get a 65W system, and underclock it to substantially? wouldn't the slightly better cooler make this better? Or is the cooling setup ditto?
If nerds want to be hard core you can use a pci-e extender then have the latest video card sitting outside with it's own power supply.
I think it can contain 1 nvme and 1 ssd. 2 drives is best for gaming.
Dell already makes a micro with a pcie extender built in (Precision 3240 compact).
These sell for the price for a new Raspberry Pi 4. So, these Mini PCs, justify their price for the hardware and performance offered.
You can throw in a i99900k into it and also the lenovo thinkcentre i5 8500t version so yeah there pretty unique Lil monsters lol
can u add dual nic card to it? what is the best mini pc for firewall ?
If a seller sells you a system that doesn't work because of the wrong power supply, you should return it! If they get enough returns and complaints, they will stop screwing their customers!
Can you comment on the 35wt PSU?
I have 7080 micro, i want to upgrade the graphics card.. which slot is it for graphics card. Also can i use any external highend graphics card for gaming.. or which internal card will it work
What is your maximum resolution? I use display port and my maximum resolution is 1920x1080.
Can the front usb c work with a USB c display?
is Dell OptiPlex 7060 Micro good for video editing ??
I like these to run ESXi on because the custom image works across all Dell machines. I'm a telephony guy and not hardcore IT guy. The 65W heatsink is larger than the 35W heatsink but curiously the 65W heatsink is only retained by 3 screws whereas the 35W is retained by 4 screws. The 35W units seem to be more likely to have built-in wifi.
That's weird I'm looking to buy one but it comes with 65w i7 processor now I'm confused
does it have bluetooth?
Yes. Usually the WiFi modules are combo modules that also have BT.
3:00 are the shirts ink transfer or plastic transfer for the logo?
Network Transfer 😉😏
Why two M.2 NVMe slots? I'd rather have a larger drive caddy with space for two 2,5" drives so that I can buy multiple cheaper SSDs for the mini-pc system!
Lol, in this day and age?
@@iagree7388 I would also trade faster 2.5" SSDs for older, bulkier and much slower mechanical hard drives depending on the price per storage ratio! I live in a third-world country so prices for technology products are just insanely high. I don't mind having someone doing charity for me anyways.
I bought this but Bluetooth refused can you help me to set it. It is windows 10 pro
I am looking for a MicroPC like this to be used as a PfSense/Untangle router. I need to have at least 4 gigabit nics. The only company that I know of that provides this is Qotom. They only offer dual core and celeron processors but I would like something a little bit more modern and robust. Any suggestions?
m.2 to PCIe adapters will work on these pcs
The Lenovo M720q, M920q, M920x and P330 have a PCI slot, that can come with a X350-T4 Intel 4 Port NIC.
I guess Dell has one too.
STH also has a Video about that.
Might want to check out OPNSense, since the whole pfSense Plus thing.
@@jmlemmi Thanks!
They sell these for $200 with a 4 core i5 in my country
We use these as citrix client's
wheres the service code tho
for the HDMI port option, can you get audio out on said port?
or do you get sound out on the DisplayPorts?
thinking more if i was to use said system as a pc that i could hook it up to the tv and watch youtube and sutch on it.
DisplayPort does audio passthrough, so if you used a DP to HDMI adapter or cable it would work.
Dell makes a mount for these so you can attach them to the back of a TV or monitor using the VESA mount holes.
My first thought: Cut open the topcover and put a big CPU tower cooler on it
And ruin a perfectly fine mini PC?
@@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart Not ruining, modding! And depending on the view point maybe even improving ;)
@@titaniummechanism3214 dude, there is no benifit to that, that device doesnt need a cooler towee
@@bernardoalbano1816 No benefit? Since when is cooler operation not a benefit? Maybe the CPU even boosts better and you get more performance out of it.
@@titaniummechanism3214 u lose the main benifit it has, the small size
Seeing as it didn't come with a proper power brick and you had to get one, they could have just not included one at all...
But how do you know if this even works or not? I wouldn't buy this at all or even consider knowing this information. There are better things out there that come with the proper stuff.
Hey, got a question. I have the 7060 micros as well but mine looked to be rated for 90 watt. On the bottom it says the power input is 19.5 volts and 4.62 amps. Is it possible that some are rated for 130 W while some are rated for 90 w?
Nevermind I just noticed the 35W CPU you are mentioning is what I have and it takes the 90 watt power supply. Thanks for the video.
can I put gpu with my 7060?
Not without an m.2 adapter and it looking a bit janky. There are multiple videos on UA-cam, however this is what I recommend: ua-cam.com/video/55Ak3YfVQNs/v-deo.html
Should have named the seller
Ha, first... maybe 😐
Thank you ❤
Its an honor o-o
2 questions, could anyone tell me if the GPU can be expanded in this optiplex micro version? and does the C port is for data transfer as well? or just for charging, I cannot see my Samsung s20 + data through it. Thanks a lot!!!
The GPU could perhaps be expanded via the m.2 slot, as you can get an adapter, however it will look a bit janky as the actual machine has no PCIe Slot (See here:ua-cam.com/video/55Ak3YfVQNs/v-deo.html). And I’m not sure about the USB C port, however I wouldn’t see why not.
5950X limited to 65W would run circles around this, but good luck trying to get your hands on one :/
And the price will be alot higher.
Does anybody know if the Dell Optiplex 3080 accepts 65w CPUs too?
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@@Brotherlucasr Voce fala portuguese?
@@selfelements8037 sim yes
charts still unreadable on a phone, I mean if you really trying to make them readable just open the video on your phone, text is near unreadable
but I like that now is full screen
Saw your review of the ASRock Rack X570D4U-2L2T, how can you make a review of such a platform without mentioning whether it's T-topology or Daisy Chain memory trace layout? Also why is there no video? Another surface-scraping review outlet...
ARM would be better.
no expansion slots, no thanks
You can't get that Lenovo at anywhere near $200 anymore. For quite a while now too. Almost as if they suckered all the reviewers in for a reason...
part of my job is to fix these pc for Florida.
i dont know if its because of shitting design or simple tons of these pc being used..but i seen some weird shit with these just dying.
Intel inside? Naw...
sheep
Good luck buying cheap mini PCs running on decent AMD processors
i guess Intel still sells chips!
As with most TinyMiniMicro Systems neither PCIe expandability nor 10GbE at all, so it's still of limited usefulness for a homelab.
m.2 to PCIe works well if you need it for eGPU or extra NICs
@@carloscuevas8268 I'd rather get a SFF and install cards properly. They may not look as "cute" as a TinyMicro, but cost roughly the same and offer more RAM expandability thanks to 4 DIMM slots.
I am surprised how you did not cover a kill-a-watt test in idle conditions and at say 50% and 100% load. There is a reference of 80W usage but would it not be right to cover this important test as objective of this video is really to cover T and non T processors?
Very disappointed to tell you frankly.
We have the idle numbers on the main site. Generally we just use a range that is basically idle to max. We also do not use low-end measurement gear like Kill-A-Watt units. The challenge doing exact numbers for T to non-T is that we did not have the 7060 with the T variant. So we could compare a HP or Lenovo unit to this unit, but since Dell uses a different cooling setup for the non-T version, the measurements would not be comparing just the T to non-T difference.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for your reply. I somehow thought we had same model with T and non T CPU. I agree.. different vendors to compare T Vs nonT would not be useful. I will head over to the site now to see what other numbers are available. Keep up the good work guys.. it's my sunday morning ritual to see what you stuff you have posted..
I don't get the point of this review, it was clearly only that cheap because they were clearing them out to make room for the 7080 micro which is much more expensive, and in line with what you'd expect for a Computer with the specs they have.
We are looking at over two dozen of these units as inexpensive cluster nodes. Most are 35W, but we wanted to check out a 65W offering. Dell, HPE, and Lenovo all sell tons of these systems, so we are looking at generational differences, vendor differences, and spec/options for the systems we purchased.
$325 is still $325 💰 😎
NO HDMI...dumbest invention ever. I regret buying it...wasting more time returning it YET AGAIN!
Imagine in 2022 not spending 5 minutes of research in an age of pocket computers, or consider buying a dp to hdmi adapter.
please help , I have this same specific model and the CPU fan is always spinning at very low RPM as a result this tiny pc is getting very hot even on surfing internet browser chrome temp. around 75 to 85 c always , it is painful there in no CPU fan control option in BIOS , anybody can resolve this issue I will be greatful to you . regards .