1L of Fun Dell OptiPlex 7090 Micro
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- We take a look at Dell's 1L powerhouse PC. The Dell OptiPlex 7090 Micro brings some new improvements over the previous generations we have tested. We even compare it to the current HP EliteDesk Mini and Lenovo ThinkCenter Tiny offerings.
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Timestamps
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00:00 Introduction
01:57 External Hardware Overview
05:10 Rear Expansion Compared to HP and Lenovo
09:30 Internal Hardware Overview
13:10 CPU Storytime
14:36 Performance and Power Consumption
11:07 Proxmox VE Installation on the Upgraded Unit
13:56 Performance and Power Consumption
17:15 Key Lessons Learned
20:30 Wrap-up - Наука та технологія
I love the new format, background and lighting. Works so well for this style of video. 👍
I love Patrick’s enthusiasm in these videos. Keep ‘em coming!
Glad you like them!
I dunno his presentation style sorta reminds me of those hosts for children's tv
I love how the logo is only oriented properly if the unit is vertical, but the port legends are only oriented properly if the unit is horizontal.
"Its a dell"
The USB and Martial arts comparison made me LOL.
Great video as always. One of my favorite channels on UA-cam.
Nice work Patrick and the entire team!
Thanks Jacob.
I have to say that I love the "1L"-series, you've done amazing work with it!
Thank you
I always think what a time to be alive when I see these TinyMiniMicro computers. Years ago I only think of the NUC when building a low consumption server at home. Now we get to enjoy powerful devices like these.
I bought a Via Epia system way back when they introduced mini-ITX standard. It was SUCH A PAIN.
After 3.0, the USB crowd started sniffing glue. Then they peer pressured the HDMI guys into trying it. Only a matter of time before the monitor naming cartel introduces them to the real hard stuff.
Thanks for these! Project mini micro inspired me to search away from nucs. Now for the price of probably 2 similar nucs I've got 2 dell 5080 micros and 2 hp elitedesk g4 minis running 2 vsphere clusters. Ridiculously cost effective, fairly configurable, and really quiet! Only thing I wish was some sort of pcie access. Sadly about the best I can do for network speed is 2.5gb usb adapters.
Hey man, love the coverage you’ve been giving on these mini-yet-mighty machines!
I might be a dissenter on this one, but I am not a fan of the editing on this video. I don’t think this kind of video really needs any interlude music or title cards that show the viewer which section of the video they’re on. Time stamps in the description do an excellent, efficient job of that already. I love your videos where there’s not a ton of interruption, just you spitting facts for x-amount of minutes straight.
In any case, keep up the awesome work!
Good feedback. These things evolve over time
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Of course! I look forward to seeing what you put out in the future.
@@matthewbridgeman57 I think this quarter is going to pick up pace a lot. Alex has a fairly strong pipeline he is editing and hopefully we will hire a hybrid camera/ video person in the next two months. Still working on what I want it to look like and what is practical to do given the time constraints we have. Later today I am filming a piece with Will so hopefully adding perspectives from the team other than mine as well.
agreed! love the content, love patrick, extra fluff not required to sustain my attention!
Well done, thank you!
I support several of these at work. They are pretty decent computers. I have one at home that we use as a set top computer.
I have a 3060 Micro with the i5 8500T. I use it as a desktop and it runs three displays flawlessly. Awesome machines that take up very little place. The ThinkStation Tiny with the Quadro P1000 is very tempting
Right. So since I narrowed my selection down to two Lenovos, another two HPs joined the fray and now the Dell, thank you very much for making my decision more difficult! :D
As I understand, the differences are mostly subjective or pertain to details, which do not really matter too much (how often will one realistically need to access RAMs). Sadly, in what matters, that is the CPUs, I guess, and the bang for the buck, I am kinda lost.
Most comprehensive and indepth review 👌👍. I was looking for refurbed mini pc with max usb 3.0 ports, 8th or higher gen cpu, type c port and nvme + sata ports here in india with windows 11 and office licenced. This review has resolved all my queries. Comparison with other solutions is extremely useful. Thanks for sharing. Keep it up. My best wishes
Thank you for the kind words. Have a great day.
For the USB names, the most ridiculous thing in my opinion is to having renamed old specs to different names like 3.0 to 3.2 Gen 1.
That's where all the confusion started I believe.
It was a way to make consumers think the manufactures - which are also members of the USB consortium - always had something new to sell, when they were in fact selling the same products.
Anyone with a bit of logic would have used USB 3 Type A 5 Gbps / 10 Gbps and USB 3 Type C 5 Gbps / 10 Gbps / 20 Gbps / whatever Gbps.
Now that smartphones switched to USB-C it's even worse as charging cables are USB 2.0.
Patrick, have you considered using a different color for the system under consideration in the benchmark bar charts? Might make it a bit easier to pick it out at a glance (especially when the cpu isn't related to the system naming). Enjoying the series, Thanks!
Yes. Good suggestion
Thanks for the video
Man, watching these is way better than some silly gadget video. This gotta be my favourite hobbyist corporate hardware influencer channel 😁
Absolutely agree with the USB naming it is so confusing now hopefully USB4 will remain simple.
I know I am two years late to this review but I purchased a 7090 micro the other day to start homelabbing and I want to upgrade the storage. I read somewhere that you can run all three ssd's together (one 2.5 and 2 m.2's) without any problems. But, I was wondering if I could use a low storage (128g) 2.5 ssd for the OS and then run two m.2 (either 500gb each for a total of 1tb/ or two 1tb which seems overkill) in raid for VM storage. Thanks and cheers!
Hey Patrick,
Great Video!
I just got 20 of these Optiplex 7090 UFF (i5 10500T) and after I had unpacked and fired up five of them I noticed that the fans are very much audible. They sound like their bearings are defective. It's ok when the case is open, it gets worse when it's closed. They're not crazy loud but I wouldn't want one of these on my table because it's a noise that makes you crazy.
Did you notice anything like that?
Not on this unit. It is actually quieter at idle/ low use than the Raspberry Pi TinyPilot Pro next to it
I think part of the reason Lenovo and HP dont use the solid mount SATA port any more is because of flexibility, Lenovo and HP both offer models with PCIe cards and you wouldnt be able to use a PCIE network card/graphics card with these rigid SATA ports on the motherboard.
Personally i'd rather them use the rigid connector, and then just omit the connector for models destined for a GPU, because it seems that if you dont order a machine with a card, they omit the PCIe connector(leaving the bare through PCB holes in the motherboard for a 16x slot)
That is true on Lenovo. We have seen HPs with the GPU data/power connector but no GPU in the chassis
it would be nice if we could plug network card in m2 slot..or change wifi for rj45 por... or is it just me?
Hello Patrick, help. I enjoy listening to your videos and want to understand more about this technology and the various things you review. I just subscribed. Maybe you’ve already done this, but if you could do short primers on the various types of devices, so people like me without a deep background in tech can understand better. The people who are your normal audience probably understand way more than me, and would not be interested in primers. But I could really use them, if there is time. It would also be neat to see these mini machines hooked up to various peripherals to see how they fit into the normal office set up, for us visual learner types. Thank you,
Good idea. I will have the team look at what we can do
Does 7090 micro support gen 3 ssd only or gen 4 as well?
What's the closest to this sort of thing but with 2x 2.5" bays rather than one?
How can I trust your idle power numbers, when my 7080 i9-10900 does 6-7Watt?
Feels like doug demuro of IT. Although I forgot it takes a while to get to the point.
Does anyone know if these can have windows server 2022 installed without driver problems?
Patric i have a stupid question, could you get them 3 x 3 in a 1U Rack slot ya think? 3 wide 3deep or maybe even 4 x 4, i been slowly replacing old servers with things like this thanks to your series and am might impressed with them, but the day is comming they gotta come of the floor and go in the rack spaces they made available
I usually do two wide
Great Video Sir and Thank You!
One Question: Is this model better than the Dell Optiplex 3090 Micro Model?
Yes. Usually 30x0 -> 50x0 -> 70x0 in terms of features (like vPro, and more) in a generation. The 3090 and 7090 are the same "9" generation
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thank You!!!
Can a 4k monitor with USB Type C (around 90W power delivery) power this device?
We are still rolling out 7070 OptiPlex at work 😵
Thank you for this video (I come a bit late :D) but I have all, the HP, the Dell and the Lenovo, I'm kinda like you... depends what you want to do with your stuff.
But if you want a server with 64go ram for me the HP and the Dell are exactly the same in performance.
Just take a look in price, refurbished Dell can cost less than HP, at least in my country you can find a refurbshed dell optiplex 7090 with 16go around 300$ and a hp more like 400$ so I just take the cheaper if both of them have the same CPU and 2xM2.
I love the storage situation on this - I can see myself using the 2.5" SATA for a 120GB boot SSD for Proxmox or XCP-ng and then use the two M.2 slots for NVMe local VM storage.
Did I miss power values other than Idle?
Guys, could you please help me. Which of the Lenovo's and HP's devices would be comparable in specs to this DELL OP 7090?
Linus' rant about USB was hilarious
What i need is a SFF like this that can push a sustained 10gig over ethernet ( SFP+) for network testing . Full sized desktop PCs are just too big to throw in the back of the rack.
Maybe the T740? We also have the Wyse 5070 Extended that we are working on a video for.
Optiplex 7090 has 20Gb USB! Plus there is barely a difference b/w Gen3 and Gen4 NVMes. I last time I bought one I just went for Gen4 so I don't have to bother later on with an upgrade. That Gen4 NVMe would do great on 7090. Though I am kinda waiting for Gen12 or maybe Gen13 Optiplexes, that would be a game changer.
I just got a 7090 SFF and it came with a Gen 3 NVME drive and I want to drop in a Gen 4, but none of the support articles from their website, manuals and any information online points to it supporting Gen 4, with or without an 11th gen cpu. My cpu is currently the i5-10500 65w version and I want to upgrade to the 11th gen so I can use 3200mhz ram as it's cheaper, but I might have to stick with what I got and just swap out the stock 8gb of ram with 2666mhz since there is no point upgrading my cpu if I can't ever get a Gen 4 NVME drive to work only Gen 3. Unfortunate. I have 2 NVME drives in my Lenovo P350 SFF, 1 is Gen 4 and other Gen 3, they get 6800/3600 reads respectively.
can this have 3 drives? 1 2.5 and 2 m.2 ?
yeah, I never say the "usb 3.3 gen 1 by omega" stuff, I say USB 5gigabit or USB 20gigabit etc.
Please how can I remove the bios password in this computer I have the same
Hi, how do you compare optiplex 7090 mirco (11500t) to thinkcentre m75q tiny g2 (R5 5600ge)? The price are the same. I want to make it a tiny home server with it, web, email, cloud, vm, etc.
If you are not using the 20G USB and the PCIe Gen4, then the Ryzen is a better bet. Alder Lake will hit likely next month in this segment though
@@ServeTheHomeVideo lenovo will take 8 week to finish the order, i think may be i should wait and see how the alder lake performance. Thank you
What speaker is installed here
Weird question but have you ever investigated whether these micro system run an i9? 9900t/10900t etc
Yes. ua-cam.com/video/GTl8fiKEr8g/v-deo.html
$650 on used market. Wish these tiny PCs were cheaper since you can make a decent low-midrange PC for that much.
There is a bit of a time element. These are expensive, but a i5-8500t 7070 is often $300-350.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo I just bought 2 Optiplex 5070s each with a i5-9500 and 32GB of RAM for $300-350 each on eBay.
Why don't any of these pc's have audio out in the back? If used as a desktop, the cable hanging out the front is messy.
Your point is well taken and I have no idea. I think a lot of these PCs are mounted on the back of monitors/ under desks. Maybe it matters less when they are hidden?
Because these are mounted behind the monitor in production. Cable management is not a big deal in that config.
I understand the monitor amount point. That would be for folks that really don't need access to their USB plugs on a daily basis. Being a 1 l standing vertical on a desk doesn't take out the ton of space but that audio cable sticking out the front sure looks messy. I say that cuz I've owned a couple and I wish they would just put something in the back
5th!? Love the series...
I wish there was a 1L system which had a 10gb ethernet, would be perfect for a ceph or hyperconverged lab environment.
Any chance of getting a showcase of Fujitsu Esprimo 1L PCs (G558 for example)?
Ian - I have been looking for them, but the cheapest i5-10500T model I can find is $1400, or about the price of an 8C Ryzen 5000 + 1660ti system from HP. If I can find a good deal on one I will do it, but it is hard since Fujitsu has pulled back from the NA market
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Makes sense. Work had their last lifebooks 3 years ago and they were Haswell's slated for decom.
Is the fan loud? And is this good for editing videos?
These can all get loud under maximum load. Editing videos, if something is CUDA accelerated usually I tell people to get GPUs. HP EliteDesk 805 G6 and G8 Minis can have GTX 1660 Ti 6GB dGPUs in them.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thank you
I don't get Dell's naming line up, I have a Dell OptiPlex 9020m with a gen 4 cpu but this is a 7090 with gen 11?
For several generations there have been the 30x0, 50x0, and 70x0 lines that have ascending feature and configuration levels. The 3 series usually has fewer CPU options, no vPro and so forth while the 7 series is the high end where you can even get dGPUs. Then the x is the generation. We started reviewing this I think with the 50 generation.
hello, greetings from Mexico, I hope you can help me and I would like to know if you know how to do the bios reset because it asks for a password, it is a dell 7080 micro, it is by rtc method, how much would you charge me to help me do it remotely.
I’m looking for something like this for a “home server” but I want it to be i7 11Gen and 2 RJ45 NIC…I’m not able to find something like that…Do you know if it exists?
Like this? (It is a bit smaller and we have the i5 version, but there is also an i7 version). twitter.com/Patrick1Kennedy/status/1491772709008719874/photo/1
I have heard the feedback. We are working on options. That includes even we have Rohit doing USB 2.5GbE network adapter reviews on the STH main site.
I thought the hair was on my screen when it was on the video
I don't know about you, but I'm waiting for USB4.2 rev3.3 release 12.7 patch level 22 iteration 28 version 42.
verticle logo looks like it has more airflow
Liking this intro music
On these I asked Alex to do something new for each one.
Does HP vendor lock their AMD CPUs like Lenovo does or no?
(P.S. I love these videos. It is certainly giving me a lot of food for thought, especially as the Mac MIni that's running my TV is aging and the Intel NUC's thermal management system sucks, so I am looking that when I upgrade and/or replace those systems, that I am going to looking for something with a little bit of a bigger chassis, and thus, a bigger CPU HSF solution so that the system would be more performant.
P.S. #2 - Not crazy about this editing either, especially the background music that was chosen for this. I thought the audio from one of my other tabs was going (could've been the kind of music that ads might have picked).)
Thank you for doing this project.
Also, if you would be nice if you were start compiling a database so that I can search/filter the types of units that for example, offer an AMD CPU because I tried going to the manufacturer's website and that was a complete mess.
Thank you.
Good feedback points. On the HP vendor lock, we have the 405 G4 coming (I think that is 2nd in Alex's editing queue) that was older, so it is not being tested. We have a 805 G6 that is newer and now have three test platforms to check if the CPU works.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo
Thank you.
That would be good information to have before I run out to buy a HP unit instead of a Lenovo unit (given that Dell doesn't have an AMD solution as stated, and Lenovo vendor locks their Ryzen CPUs to their (eco)systems).
An 805 G6's 4750GE is now working in an ASUS B550 mITX platform.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo
Thank you!
That's awesome.
Good to know.
Dell might be the absolute worst and most corrupt computer company, but STH is awesome, and I love this series.
Oh? Dell corruption do tell
i hope an alder lake-p version comes out
I found optiplex 7090 sff to have extremely loud fan noise, jet engine inside office room.
I just got a 7090 SFF and it came with a Gen 3 NVME drive and I want to drop in a Gen 4, but none of the support articles from their website, manuals and any information online points to it supporting Gen 4, with or without an 11th gen cpu. My cpu is currently the i5-10500 65w version and I want to upgrade to the 11th gen so I can use 3200mhz ram as it's cheaper, but I might have to stick with what I got and just swap out the stock 8gb of ram with 2666mhz since there is no point upgrading my cpu if I can't ever get a Gen 4 NVME drive to work only Gen 3. Unfortunate. I have 2 NVME drives in my Lenovo P350 SFF, 1 is Gen 4 and other Gen 3, they get 6800/3600 reads respectively.
Why did you skip the "Discrete" Optiplex review?
If Dell/Lenovo/HP could add a Micro SD card reader in from it will be a better development PCs for Linux Desktops PC.
Good idea
USB naming is a disaster!
Completely
Hi and thanks for a great series. Considering the price on these things the I5-10500T units is a terrible deal unless you plan on using them for micro virtualization since they have 12 threads. You will however still get 3 units equipped with i5-6500T CPU:s for the same price. And then you will have more ram and more disk, greater redundancy AND 50-100% additional computing power depending on what you plan to do. Sure they will consume a bit more power but that is still only a problem if you use all the power.
So, great units but way to pricey for now.
Totally. As mentioned in the video, I think even just with the i5-10500T the 7080 is a better value right now.
Yeah I got one with an i5-6500 for €140 recently. Works like a charm
Hey STH team! JW could I buy a bunch of these Chinese TV boxes. And convert them into raspberry pi style cluster nodes???
Patrick, I agree and I will be talking to my Dell rep. They've been way too long in Intel's pockets !!! Remember the song ? I want my, I want my, I want my AMD !!! Would you like to know what he says ?
My guess is not their department :-)
USB 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, 3.5 would also be fine for me. But 3.2 Gen 1 is very confusing.
I have a feeling that if the USB folks tried doing that, they would only use prime numbers. 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5, 3.7, 3.11
Is it possible to install an RTX graphics card?
Not on this one. We have a HP EliteDesk 805 G8 Mini review coming soon with a 1660 Ti
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks for your reply
very funny toys for learning, microserver, and media center
Watching this on a dell 3070 micro... YOU CAN WHAT?! LOL
Its a shame it doesn't have better networking.
Yes
Like dual network ports on something like the i210
@@AndrewFrink yup a second port or support for a pci nic would be perfect I could use it as a pfsense firewall.
@@christopherjackson2157 tbh an hp t620 plus, 730 or 740 all have a pcie slot (half height) and probably enough power for a firewall. But yes that's exactly what I was thinking of using it for.
@@AndrewFrink good point about the power. Hadn't considered that but it could be an issue with some of these systems
Damnit Dell, where’s my 12500T 1L? My 10500T 5080 1L is begging to be replaced!!
My guess is we will start to see Alder Lake 1L's in mid-late March. HP announced the new Elite Mini G9 (we covered it on the STH main site) but said March 2022.
Excellent. Just in time for tax time ✌️
It would be REALLY nice if, your project tiny mini micro page, had a better overview of all the USFF devices you have tested.
Comprare them all in a spreadsheet type of diagram or at least a spreadsheet comparison of each brand.
I se very little to no technical comparison on the website.
And that is a huge letdown, when you are promoting your project each time you review a USFF system.
Otherwise your videos are ok with information.
Omg, yes please. Even just add a link to a Google sheet or something with all the specs so we can filter/compare.
Why it is so hard to find mini pc without brick ?
IT organizations like bricks.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Then it is mini pc which is not mini .
Here's how I handle the USB debacle
USB 3.0 for 5Gbps
USB 3.2 for 10Gbps
USB 3 20Gbps because why would you want to hide the fact it's 20Gbps when you could put it in the name?
USB 4x4 for off-road.
Patrick, would you mind to also upload your content to Odysee?
Maybe when we get the cadence more established. Many of the music licenses we have do not cover that as a platform though.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo ok I see thanks! Would love to see that since you are certainly targeting those folks over there ;) ..If I'd had more time I would make you bunch of tracks which you could use royalties free ;)
This video is too long, I don't know what's the key point you wanna express. I checked the dell website, this thin-client has options to add optane memory, I need some M.2 optane memory to build my own 'trueNAS core' file servers.
at a point a standart isn't a standart anymore
18:13
Price upfront is really important, gave up while you were talking about the logo… Not important, price please….
1/12/23 I bought a 7090 new in March of 22. It is the worst POS I have ever bought from Dell. The 2nd video driver didn't work so they replaced the motherboard. The HD loses data such as the server settings at random times. The new motherboard is jacked up too. So they are replacing that and the HD again. The Firewall settings keep getting dropped too. The 7090 is a LEMON !!
And I love the other 19 Dell computers I have bought over the last 15 years. Don't buy this POS!
USB naming, .......Trash!
Those locks are utterly useless, if someone really wanted to steal components they would just take the whole thing and cut the lock off at home.
I had a large consumer products company as a client when I was doing M&A consulting. If you left your laptop unlocked in their high rise HQ building, even for a 5 min bio break, it would be gone
Anti-competitive practices at Dell favoring Intel... Nothing new!
get to the point -- talk too much with garbage.