not really , toy story came out 4 years before it, and ants, a bugs life and toy story 2. its impressive stuff but not ahead of its time. john lasseter was trying to get disney to use this stuff nearly a decade before anyway
No one is saying CGI didn't already exist. It is the marriage of CGI and the hand drawn style that is so unique. They reap the benefits of 3D animation's ease of creating more dynamic camera angles while maintaining the hand drawn art style. Most CGI animation has a different look distinguishing it from hand drawn (plastic like, I never cared for it). It is at least a very different style that is immediately recognizable as being done via computers. Tarzan looks like a traditional painting come to life. Ahead of its time is probably not the right phrase though, unless they revive this method in the future. It wasn't used much afterwards and Disney has dropped hand drawn styles in favor of the more plastic Pixar style. The Paperman short is another variant of this kind of tech geared towards the characters instead of scenery, though unfortunately the Disney executives don't seem interested in pursuing these techniques for their feature films (just letting their animators play around and experiment with it for smaller projects).
I've had the extreme pleasure to attend a conference with Glen Keane. I'll always remember, how nice and brilliant he is. And also when he explained, he didn't find the right way to animate Tarzan...until he saw kids, sliding on skate boards and roller bladers...and then, he told us, he's been watching hours of videos with surfers, skateboarders and roller bladers, in order to understand their specific moves and catch it. That's why Tarzan is sliding on tree branches. It's so simple and magic :)
For those asking, this type of effect is still possible (maybe moreso now than ever before). If you complete your modeling and finalize your camera you should have a good idea of lighting. Ideally your background plate that you use to inform the scene is already complete, and you can use that as a base. Load your assets into a coloring package such as Zbrush, Substance Painter or Mudbox and then paint on flat diffuse shaders. The reason why is because in Tarzan that's typically how they achieved the shading they did on the trees in Deep Canvas. And then you'd export your maps (probably in 8k for a cinematic production) and then load them into your scene (probably in Maya) for rendering. You'd render your scene and composite your Traditional animation assets over the top (here it would be the leaves and particles as Tarzan touches the trees and surfs on the trunks). And finally you'd add the additional shading over the top. So, for example, that would usually be done on a separate layer in After Effects (or Photoshop if you're interested in a lot of extra work), and you'd render the full scene to be exported to your editing software. The pipeline is a lot faster this way, as fewer technicians are required to make sure the scene looks the way it should. An art Supervisor would be able to simply say, "Change the lighting here." or "Brighten up this spot here" and you'd just edit the maps again. Sadly, nobody in Hollywood is even attempting this anymore. Everyone thinks harder is smarter.
@@vgmaster9 I've been dangling around with blender, and i think i might attempt to at some point if anyone wants to check my stuff out twitter.com/i/status/1404654966476791809
To be fair: Those were awful Character Designs, Kliche & poor written Story-Line, awful concept artwork, plus stupid non-sensical World-Building, merged all together. That's why Disney let it flop.
Treasure Planet was victim of a poor release window. The main reason people didn't go to see it in theaters despite warm critical reception and even earning an Oscar nod, was because they wanted to wait for it to come out on DVD in a couple of months as was Disney's winter release window. It was a summer movie released in the winter. I don't think any of your points are fair, Katiana. Maybe you didn't like it, which is fine. But to say that objectively, the story was cliche and poorly written is banal. And concept art is totally separate from the final product. Disney didn't let it flop because they thought it was bad. The Force Awakens was bad. Disney doesn't care if it's bad. They wanted it to fail to justify the transition to exclusively 3D pictures. 2D pictures can make money, that's what kept Disney going in the 80's and 90's and launched them as a company. But audiences need to be made interested in the product before they'll buy it. And Disney didn't do their share.
True to all that. It was autosabotaged for the release & the part of Disney doesn't care about quality, but money. Yet the entire concept looked despicable and failed, to me.
@@randomnametochange Spider man was not 2D at all it was 100% CGI and I love it! IMO CGI is just a tool and as such it can look both like traditional 2D(like Guilty Gear Xrd and Dragon ball FighterZ) and like real life (Toy Story 4, The new lion king) There is still a human behind the computer ^^
Imagine if a video game gets made with this Deep Canvas technology. The environments would be 3D with hand-painted textures but the characters would be ultra hi-res 2D sprites. It would basically be a 2.5D game similar to DOOM but in HD.
Something like this already exists, but the character models are using cel-shading alongside practical uses of lighting and surface normal adjustments. That would be Arc System Works’ recent fighting games.
People always say CGI suck! it looks bad! And then I tell them that most of their beloved 2D animation films had CGI but it was done well so they didn't even notice...
@KrazyJazperYT Why don't you just start your own movie company instead? If you want to make 2D animation, it's not going to happen at Disney, they've abandoned their whole hand-drawn sector except for small jobs at the amusement parks.
The worst part of the modern animation industry is the best things are indie projects and not disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, Sony, blue sky, illumination, and Warner Bros. respectively. The best thing to ask yourself is "what do you want to gain from animation?" The answer could be as easy as I want to see my work on the big screen, or as complex as I have a story I need to tell.
Tarzan is the second most expensive traditional animated film of all time. Who is the most expensive? Treasure Planet. I recommend watching Treasure Planet on the biggest screen you find in the best quality you can find. There has not been a remastered version of TP yet which is a shame. I hope Disney remaster before they senselessly fricking live-action it like the rest of the classics with some guy from freaking 1D!!!
@@DragonSword227 In another decade, AI algorithms will probably make this as simple as typing, "Re-render movie A in the style of movie B", and having the computer go to work.
@@DragonSword227 We'll see how long it lasts, though; computers rely heavily on hydrocarbons which are cheaply produced only because of the availability of petroleum. No one can predict the future, but there is a fair chance that once petroleum is gone, computers and related devices will become far less of an everyday item. At that point, our creative output will probably have to proceed without relying so much on their aid.
@@JimPAnimation Klaus characters was entirely made with hand drawn animation. They just implemented a new lighting engine that would make it easier to shade the characters procedurally as if they were 3D models
@walteraliasdisney alot of the amazing sequences that you enjoy in modern movies are only possible because of cg. they would be too difficult or too expensive to do on a reasonable budget in the traditional style. the idea of making films is to advance and evolve with the technology as it becomes available, not resist it. if the computer enables you to do something that can't be done using traditional techniques, then it should be utilized.
I'm here because in two days there's a Procreate update that'll allow users to upload and paint 3D models, as a 2D animator, my mind jumped straight to Tarzan! I guess i'll have to learn 3D modeling a tiny bit and possibly how to unwrap models, but I'll be able to do so much once i do!
I wonder what was the texture painting tool of choice back then. Our modern choices like Substance and Mari do not support Nurbs like I looks like the Deep Canvas system did.
@Vortex42 The cliffhanger ending. What happens next. The video explained quite some stuff, but there's more that could have been explained in that gap to the finished work, and that cliffhanger. We could be told what happens next.
@walteraliasdisney Good news! I've just heard that since Princess and the Frog was so successful, Disney has decided to green-light the production of a 2D movie every 2 years.
@CupofPhenol It's not the technology that should be the old way. It's the style. I also like the old traditional style better than these new cgi 3D animation. It doesn't mean we should draw again each frame one by one like the old times. We could use computer to create animation with quality as good as old cartoon, We just need to find the way.
@azizrahmad You're right, if I was creating a movie in this style, I would rather use computer inking-and-painting and CG for stuff hard to do on paper than to do the traditional ink-and-paint style. After all, Disney has survived with it hadn't they?
@walteraliasdisney the pipeline for computer animation is so much easier. less things to loose you can make multiple copies in an instant instead of zeroxing every page.
wow but... i dont understand. what did the program do? the animation? or the character movement? or environment colouring? geometries look like rhino nurbs or something
So on other words. Tarzan used a 3d apps for layout? So if this is 1999, what is there PC specs? And what software is this? It seems some sort of Projection painting to me..
@walteraliasdisney Maybe next you would like to get rid of cell phones and bring back lan lines? Or maybe we should get rid of today's televisions and bring back the old giant wooden box tube televisions that had channel switching knobs instead of a remote control..it's the old way so it must be better right?
You can achieve it at least partially in Blender. With 2 missing pieces: painting strokes, extrapolating texture based on existing texture painting. You can overcome both. Instead of painting strokes for leafs, you can just position them manually or through particle system, and then paint over. As for branches, use diffuse shader with shading disabled and paint over your texture. In the end, render blender animation and then compose it either in blender compose or after effects with your 2d animation.
@brancamento I respect your opinion. I do. I do want to tell you something, though, everyone has the right to their own opinion. And some people actually like Tarzan. By the way, I have never seen this version of Tarzan.
Disney paved the way for artists now working in VR with Quill and such, I would like to see AI generated textures be implemented in a deep canvas style program, so that the artist doesnt have to do every single brush stroke on trees but instead work on finishing touches.
that shit is something like a decade ahead of its time honestly
+Blockistic Damn, everything is connected. I wouldn't be surprised is Miyazaki took inspiration in level design from Disney.
Why Hayao?
Blockistic Hidetaka Miyazaki. Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1 and 3 director. Should of clarified.
not really , toy story came out 4 years before it, and ants, a bugs life and toy story 2. its impressive stuff but not ahead of its time. john lasseter was trying to get disney to use this stuff nearly a decade before anyway
No one is saying CGI didn't already exist. It is the marriage of CGI and the hand drawn style that is so unique. They reap the benefits of 3D animation's ease of creating more dynamic camera angles while maintaining the hand drawn art style.
Most CGI animation has a different look distinguishing it from hand drawn (plastic like, I never cared for it). It is at least a very different style that is immediately recognizable as being done via computers. Tarzan looks like a traditional painting come to life.
Ahead of its time is probably not the right phrase though, unless they revive this method in the future. It wasn't used much afterwards and Disney has dropped hand drawn styles in favor of the more plastic Pixar style.
The Paperman short is another variant of this kind of tech geared towards the characters instead of scenery, though unfortunately the Disney executives don't seem interested in pursuing these techniques for their feature films (just letting their animators play around and experiment with it for smaller projects).
I've had the extreme pleasure to attend a conference with Glen Keane.
I'll always remember, how nice and brilliant he is. And also when he explained, he didn't find the right way to animate Tarzan...until he saw kids, sliding on skate boards and roller bladers...and then, he told us, he's been watching hours of videos with surfers, skateboarders and roller bladers, in order to understand their specific moves and catch it. That's why Tarzan is sliding on tree branches.
It's so simple and magic :)
For those asking, this type of effect is still possible (maybe moreso now than ever before). If you complete your modeling and finalize your camera you should have a good idea of lighting. Ideally your background plate that you use to inform the scene is already complete, and you can use that as a base.
Load your assets into a coloring package such as Zbrush, Substance Painter or Mudbox and then paint on flat diffuse shaders. The reason why is because in Tarzan that's typically how they achieved the shading they did on the trees in Deep Canvas.
And then you'd export your maps (probably in 8k for a cinematic production) and then load them into your scene (probably in Maya) for rendering. You'd render your scene and composite your Traditional animation assets over the top (here it would be the leaves and particles as Tarzan touches the trees and surfs on the trunks).
And finally you'd add the additional shading over the top.
So, for example, that would usually be done on a separate layer in After Effects (or Photoshop if you're interested in a lot of extra work), and you'd render the full scene to be exported to your editing software.
The pipeline is a lot faster this way, as fewer technicians are required to make sure the scene looks the way it should. An art Supervisor would be able to simply say, "Change the lighting here." or "Brighten up this spot here" and you'd just edit the maps again.
Sadly, nobody in Hollywood is even attempting this anymore. Everyone thinks harder is smarter.
It's now up to independent creators to recreate this technique.
@@vgmaster9 I've been dangling around with blender, and i think i might attempt to at some point if anyone wants to check my stuff out twitter.com/i/status/1404654966476791809
Not really... This is still used in Japanese anime, look up the behind the scenes of fate stay knight
Does Blender also count as substitute?
you are a god sent, thank you!!!
Fun fact: Disney’s Tarzan broke record as most expensive Disney animated film of its time: $130,000,000
Then 3 years laters, Disneys Treasure Planets enters the party with its $140,000,000 budget!
@@trevorsgamingroom5284 And meets a massive box office boom getting only 109 million dollars
@@justfuntimedoingnothing8477 because it wasn't really advertised properly.
We need more of 2.5D animation smh
To be fair:
Those were awful Character Designs, Kliche & poor written Story-Line, awful concept artwork, plus stupid non-sensical World-Building, merged all together.
That's why Disney let it flop.
Treasure Planet was victim of a poor release window. The main reason people didn't go to see it in theaters despite warm critical reception and even earning an Oscar nod, was because they wanted to wait for it to come out on DVD in a couple of months as was Disney's winter release window.
It was a summer movie released in the winter.
I don't think any of your points are fair, Katiana. Maybe you didn't like it, which is fine. But to say that objectively, the story was cliche and poorly written is banal. And concept art is totally separate from the final product.
Disney didn't let it flop because they thought it was bad. The Force Awakens was bad. Disney doesn't care if it's bad. They wanted it to fail to justify the transition to exclusively 3D pictures.
2D pictures can make money, that's what kept Disney going in the 80's and 90's and launched them as a company. But audiences need to be made interested in the product before they'll buy it. And Disney didn't do their share.
True to all that.
It was autosabotaged for the release & the part of Disney doesn't care about quality, but money.
Yet the entire concept looked despicable and failed, to me.
It's def going to make a comeback especially with this new spiderman movie being so well received
@@randomnametochange Spider man was not 2D at all it was 100% CGI and I love it!
IMO CGI is just a tool and as such it can look both like traditional 2D(like Guilty Gear Xrd and Dragon ball FighterZ) and like real life (Toy Story 4, The new lion king)
There is still a human behind the computer ^^
This movie process was way ahead of its time... Love how they pushed the creativity of both softwares and the artists.
All of that is CGI. Truly ahead of its time, and still holds up to this day.
Groundbreaking Technology Disney was on the cutting edge can you believe this was 23 years ago still Amazing.
We need more movies that use this sort of style today.
Disney should bring this software to the public.
Imagine if a video game gets made with this Deep Canvas technology.
The environments would be 3D with hand-painted textures but the characters would be ultra hi-res 2D sprites.
It would basically be a 2.5D game similar to DOOM but in HD.
Such game would explode all the existing computers and consoles in the world
Something like this already exists, but the character models are using cel-shading alongside practical uses of lighting and surface normal adjustments. That would be Arc System Works’ recent fighting games.
People always say CGI suck! it looks bad!
And then I tell them that most of their beloved 2D animation films had CGI but it was done well so they didn't even notice...
I used to watch this movie so many times when it was in theaters. I'm an animation student now and I dream of working for Disney.
I dream of working on disney too! Good Luck 💕
@KrazyJazperYT Why don't you just start your own movie company instead? If you want to make 2D animation, it's not going to happen at Disney, they've abandoned their whole hand-drawn sector except for small jobs at the amusement parks.
@@TycoNewRC Damnnn that's sad. Well at least I'm starting to learn 3D animation. But I would love a mix of 2D and 3D tho.
The worst part of the modern animation industry is the best things are indie projects and not disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, Sony, blue sky, illumination, and Warner Bros. respectively. The best thing to ask yourself is "what do you want to gain from animation?" The answer could be as easy as I want to see my work on the big screen, or as complex as I have a story I need to tell.
@@TycoNewRC actually, they are actually are open to hand-drawn projects
This was very impressive and I'd like to see more of this.
Tarzan is the second most expensive traditional animated film of all time. Who is the most expensive? Treasure Planet. I recommend watching Treasure Planet on the biggest screen you find in the best quality you can find. There has not been a remastered version of TP yet which is a shame. I hope Disney remaster before they senselessly fricking live-action it like the rest of the classics with some guy from freaking 1D!!!
BRING THIS BACK PLZ
This is what Tangled (2010) should have looked like.
Oh my god I didn't know that was something I needed
YES, Agreed!
@@DragonSword227 In another decade, AI algorithms will probably make this as simple as typing, "Re-render movie A in the style of movie B", and having the computer go to work.
@@delsydebothom3544 A sad future is upon us... so then computers will be doing all the work...
@@DragonSword227 We'll see how long it lasts, though; computers rely heavily on hydrocarbons which are cheaply produced only because of the availability of petroleum. No one can predict the future, but there is a fair chance that once petroleum is gone, computers and related devices will become far less of an everyday item. At that point, our creative output will probably have to proceed without relying so much on their aid.
I wanna learn moreee!!! XD This is awesome! :D
Remember, this was made at the turn of the millenium.
We need more hand drawn animation.
Never gonna happen
@@elijahmoe1374 Now adays it would be 100% 3D and they would render the character with a cartoon shader to make it look 2D.
@@JimPAnimation Klaus characters was entirely made with hand drawn animation. They just implemented a new lighting engine that would make it easier to shade the characters procedurally as if they were 3D models
this is incredible!
Back when Disney did magic.
This video is FLAT-OUT fucking SICK.
Yeah, I said that 5 years ago. Wow.
Incredible...
amazing.
this is godly
This is incredibly interesting. I wonder, is this similar to what could be achieved by drawing a texture on a model and then baking the lighting?
@walteraliasdisney alot of the amazing sequences that you enjoy in modern movies are only possible because of cg. they would be too difficult or too expensive to do on a reasonable budget in the traditional style. the idea of making films is to advance and evolve with the technology as it becomes available, not resist it. if the computer enables you to do something that can't be done using traditional techniques, then it should be utilized.
Someone watching this movie back then would've expected to have regular animated series looking like this by 2015, but nope.
the narrator is Eric Daniels who was head of Tarzan Digital Production
no motivations given. 100% agreed.
Seriously - five people dislike this video? What's to dislike?
Can't believe it's 15+ years ago
I'm here because in two days there's a Procreate update that'll allow users to upload and paint 3D models, as a 2D animator, my mind jumped straight to Tarzan! I guess i'll have to learn 3D modeling a tiny bit and possibly how to unwrap models, but I'll be able to do so much once i do!
So cool
I wonder what was the texture painting tool of choice back then. Our modern choices like Substance and Mari do not support Nurbs like I looks like the Deep Canvas system did.
nice...
Seems like Gorillaz used this for their videos too... But I can be wrong
@Vortex42 The cliffhanger ending. What happens next. The video explained quite some stuff, but there's more that could have been explained in that gap to the finished work, and that cliffhanger. We could be told what happens next.
@kurvos i never said that. It's Animation, and that is created on the PC too.
yeah, they're slowly moving back to 2D
2D and 3D combines is really amazing! Pixar films dont enthrall me at all. It's the traditional films with Deep Canvas and 3D do!
@jimmyrotella This is like Deep Paint 3d. The animation was insert in it after, in the post-production, with another program. :)
Im gonna Be studying this day And Night
@walteraliasdisney Good news! I've just heard that since Princess and the Frog was so successful, Disney has decided to green-light the production of a 2D movie every 2 years.
lol this didnt age well
Super!
oh my... god!
Ese día "el futuro es hoy"
@CupofPhenol It's not the technology that should be the old way. It's the style. I also like the old traditional style better than these new cgi 3D animation. It doesn't mean we should draw again each frame one by one like the old times. We could use computer to create animation with quality as good as old cartoon, We just need to find the way.
W in the thumbnail.
Cool :D
Wow! ^^
@azizrahmad You're right, if I was creating a movie in this style, I would rather use computer inking-and-painting and CG for stuff hard to do on paper than to do the traditional ink-and-paint style. After all, Disney has survived with it hadn't they?
@walteraliasdisney
the pipeline for computer animation is so much easier. less things to loose you can make multiple copies in an instant instead of zeroxing every page.
wow but... i dont understand.
what did the program do?
the animation? or the character movement? or environment colouring?
geometries look like rhino nurbs or something
Cool vid thanks for posting!!
Does anyone know what 3D program that they used to create this?
Thumbs up except for the cliffhanger. Where is the rest of the video after the part that didn't make it on UA-cam.
Whaaat?? Did graphic tablets already existed in that time? Ohh myy... I had no idea
Dude, graphics tablets have been around for as long as computers have.
I dun have this software ..but i just found another alternate of deep canvas,,and its working...."Animator"
They were using IRIX on SGI systems. Those were fun times. :)
Zorin the Lynx what do you mean is that the software
wow. . . . . . .
Is this video from the DVD?
Just imagine this on modern animation and or on series like Naruto or Berserk !!!
What Software IS This? And What Did They Use? And What IS This CGI Software Called? When Making Tarzan 1999
Any available software that can let you do this?
Blender + Substance Painter + Clip Studio Paint ( or krita or photoshop) if you don't know anything about these softwares, better start learning.
I Need Deep Canvas For My Movies, Isn't There An App For This?
Blender can do all of this on your desktop for free.
"Really?" Or Not?
This was ages ago, how come modern commercial software's can't do this? Closest thing we got is VR with Quill and that is nowhere near as effective.
@FirebirdBeats So is this message. XD
So on other words. Tarzan used a 3d apps for layout?
So if this is 1999, what is there PC specs? And what software is this? It seems some sort of Projection painting to me..
@walteraliasdisney Maybe next you would like to get rid of cell phones and bring back lan lines? Or maybe we should get rid of today's televisions and bring back the old giant wooden box tube televisions that had channel switching knobs instead of a remote control..it's the old way so it must be better right?
Can this be done by just using Photoshop with Maya?
Are there any alternative programs like Deep Canvas?
You can achieve it at least partially in Blender. With 2 missing pieces: painting strokes, extrapolating texture based on existing texture painting.
You can overcome both. Instead of painting strokes for leafs, you can just position them manually or through particle system, and then paint over.
As for branches, use diffuse shader with shading disabled and paint over your texture.
In the end, render blender animation and then compose it either in blender compose or after effects with your 2d animation.
@@HannahFantasia yes, blender progress was amazing past few years. In addition to that we have other great software for 3d painting like oculus quill.
Someone Knows what Software they used?
They use the 3D like Reference, but they have to paint frame by frame the cenary?
Thanks.
Its deepcanvass
@FirebirdBeats ..... this is not a videogame.
@brancamento I respect your opinion. I do. I do want to tell you something, though, everyone has the right to their own opinion. And some people actually like Tarzan. By the way, I have never seen this version of Tarzan.
Which software does the painter use? I mean, he textures 3D model of the tree using the tablet..
I´m not an expert but when i painted models for a game (unity) i just used photoshop :)
If the software is avalible to the public disney has it listed here www.disneyanimation.com/technology/opensource
put in the subtitle, I pray you!(I'm not american or english!!!)
Disney paved the way for artists now working in VR with Quill and such, I would like to see AI generated textures be implemented in a deep canvas style program, so that the artist doesnt have to do every single brush stroke on trees but instead work on finishing touches.
Adobe Animate Doesn't make This
they determinate that on the software, wow Im replying a 2 year old comment!
quillustration from the 90's xD
In the finished film, the hand-drawn Tarzan stands out from the computer-generated jungle backgrounds like a sore thumb.
What software is this I'm currently working on an anime.
IMPOSSIBROU!!
The Disney?? lol wow
Tarzan Disney should be back in 3D!
yea the movie is quite crappy (DESPITE THE -6 RATING)