I’m glad I went with Flybikes, got the “Orion” delivered to my door for under $500 bucks, since I requested LHD they sent me a brand new LHD rear wheel for free an said I can keep the one that came with the bike. Flybikes got my respect and all my homies. Shoutout to Fly!!!!
@Lo-water-guide-service lol why you hate on flybikes for. Shit everythings made in Taiwan now and everyone knows this so whats your point. Ita still a great quality complete.
Wish we could add you to our list of Top Overated UA-cam dudes but we've only ever heard of you via your click bait titles that appear to present FIT as a bad brand that you must be paying Google to serve. Admittedly, we haven't watched any of your videos, but the fact that you have us listed as Overated and a Brand to Avoid when we've spent 25 years building a reputation as one the premiere bike manufacturers globally and the ONLY BMX company in the world that has been solely rider-owned and operated for 37 years (not to mention the only current USA-manufacturer of BMX bikes on any scale at all) tells us you're talking out your ass. With hundreds of thousands of satisfied customers the world over and almost 40 years of supporting and building/bettering the BMX scene - we know a lot more about BMX than you do Bobo. If anyone in any of your comment sections has any questions as to why certain bikes are designed or spec'd or priced the way they are, feel free to hit us up directly. Here or on our Fit or S&M socials/channels.
Read the comments guys. I’m not the only one with the opinion and if you were smart you’d set your ego aside and realize that you’re venturing away from what once made for truly great to make a quick buck. Don’t end up like blockbuster
There is a difference between offering a legit bike for a caliber of rider at a price beginners and their parents can afford and making shitty bikes... and we have always made the best bike available at any given price point. It's easy to trick a bike out - and we did when we went the Wifi Complete etc circa the mid 2010s, but the truth is, people don't want to pay for that and beginners don't need full cromo... plus their parents don't want to pay for it. We make a full range of bikes and components for all levels of BMXers and their budgets. We've always said, buy the best bike you can afford. And if you are lucky enough to be looking for a complete bike in today's BMX market - you're probably going to get one for less than the company paid to make it - so buy the best one you can. But to accuse of ego and making a quick buck? Sounds a little hypocritical wouldn't you say Mr. "I know more than the Industry staples" as you spew actual nonsense for ad revenue? You have Fit/S&M all wrong dude. Let us know if you need a history lesson.@@Dougsterbob
@FitbikecoVideos I'm totally with you on this, this guy thrives on hate, keep evolving and doing your thing. I ride your bikes and have nothing but praise to you guys
I had a fit Van homan, one of the best bikes ive ever owned and a great price point. keep doing what you do @fitbikecovideos You guys are the real ones. GANG GANG 🤘
Fit and s&m are related? This is like when i see a brand that offers “affordable” products sugar coated as cheap while next to that product they offer something a bit better and higher priced. Meanwhile the other brand next to it only offers the good stuff. Makes me feel like fit is really out there to grab any penny they can catch no matter what while other brands just offer you the good stuff. Seeing fit on the comments literally crying is wild and really goes to show you that their products cant even speak for themselves so they have to get their panties in a bunch. Basically fit is the temu wish version of s&m and they are proud of it lol
FIT was never marketed as a Made in USA brand. The whole point of FIT is that it’s a cheaper alternative to S&M which is the greatest bmx manufacturer of all time.
When fit first came out their frames were usa made. Once they decided to make completes and had a good reputation getting part of s&m they got cheap. Besides the highest prices bikes they aren't worth buying. And I say that as someone getting ready to buy a fit 22
@@jamesd5415 you guys just don't see their vision ....they now make every single piece on the bikes by Fit. So they can effectively replace Entry Level complete Bikes....for new ppl getting into BMX they have some Great options 🎉 if you are already riding at a level that actually requires the best "pro" model then maybe you should just upgrade to a S&M.... Not everything is Made for everyone, and not everyone needs 100% chromoly because they're level of riding doesn't warrant such things yet ... Besides even the Fit Park MD (for example) is a way better complete bike than was available when I started riding
The Frames are still Hand Made in made in the USA....this persons only partially correct. They've been USA Made the Entire time and have the same lifetime warranty as S&M...Alot of higher tier Fit components are still Made in the USA...How ever the Complete Bikes and cheaper priced components are Made in Taiwan....you should watch the Unclicked Podcast and Moeller explains in in detail 🤯✌️❤️💯
I definitely agree that Cult has poor quality stuff. I rode the Vans tires for a while. 40 dollars each, the traction and strength was not there at all. Which really surprised me because of how squeaky they are when landing 180s. But if I barely turned at all on concrete or Skatelite they’d loose traction immediately and I’d slide out. They also stretch way too much. I tried to inflate em from 80 to 90 psi and they got noticeably bigger. So much that the tire became too wide for the frame. They’re supposed to be 2.4, but when inflated it would stretch to almost 2.5. Doesn’t really inspire much confidence in the structural integrity of the tire. (They’re supposed to be rated at 110 PSI). I now ride the Merritt Brian Foster tire, which I’m quite pleased with. I can’t really say anything about FIT because I haven’t bought anything from them. I also definitely agree on Hyper. I think that their marketing is quite questionable. I personally ride the Wizard frame, solely because Scotty’s bike looks awesome. And the geometry fit my needs. So far I’ve been happy with the quality of their professional parts, but I do think the actual Hyper brand should go back to focusing solely on pro BMX. Great video :)
I used to ride a 2013 Fit Inman 3 up until last year when the rear hub failed completely. I ride a Sunday now and the quality feels better here, the odyssey parts package are on most of their bikes too. I think Sunday has brand name pricing tho... Literally need a sale or it's not a good deal but is what it is really
@Dougsterbob So the problem with your analysis is that you are seemly only looking to the mid-higher end product to be available/sold. Don't get me wrong, I am all for a few more $$$ to get a better quality product, but companies need to cater to different income bases to sell their products. When I worked at the shop, if we only carried bikes that were $500 and above, the shop would have closed in under a month as we may have sold 2 bikes. I grew up and worked in a Bike shop in the 80s' when Freestyle was born. Got to hang out with the Pro Teams when they were at the shop and when I was not doing all that, I had to put together and sell Bikes! Anything from the low end Hi-Tense Steel Models to the $600 High End Team Models. As much as our shop sold the $250 and $350 ranged bikes for the time, we also had to have the lower end models that were $150 - $200. Haro, as much as I love my 1988 Team Model (Which I still have) was $600.... But we also sold the Haro FST which was about $200, was NOT full 4130 Chromoly, but for the area the shop was in, was much more affordable. Also my high end Haro like most (Low and High Prices Model) had one feature that appeared in time, a crack where the Seat Post/Frame meet. Didn't matter theater you spent $200 or $600, if you rode hard enough, it appeared. I did not see you bring up Hoffman Bikes, I mean, you can go into any Walmart (Which is one of you arguments that you can find Hyper in Walmart) and find a Hoffman Brand (Lower End) bike, yet you did not mention it. Is there a reason. I know your video is for "Overrated Brands". Your argument aside from an a $50 Tire (Agree there, I can get a $50 for my car!), but most of your argument is that they are not the higher quality. Again, refer to the above... Not everyone can afford the $400 frame, but maybe for $300 they can get a lower tier complete bike and get started in the sport.
Hey Douglas it’s great to see you doing good and I don’t know how my feed randomly popped you up but I remember riding with you in the parking garage in las cruses with you and your buddy for hours with my two buddy’s, we were the kids from Safford !!! Awesome to see you still in the bmx space
I enjoy your opinion for 2 reasons: 1. Your speaking from a outside perspective which is easier then having the solid facts from the source which makes your process that much easier. 2. When you do have facts, paper trail and actual confirmation on why certain companies have to do this and that it will make sense.. Now my opinion which we all know gets me in trouble more then others is communication with brands is key.. You need help reaching people I can get you pointed in the right way. You’ll be surprised on how they handle things internally and why things happen the way they do..
I ride the Cult Crew cranks on my S&M. Haven’t had any problems yet but I wouldn’t buy one of their frames. Anyone had an issue with this crank? It seems pretty solid to me.
I have 2 bikes. Cult shorty build and Hawk frame build. Had hawk cranks, but went lighter with the Crew cranks. Both bikes have cult stems. I'm 180 and ride 3 times a week. My stuff holds up. People need to remember companies do not make stuff bomb proof. Eventually any part will break.
Gotta put it out there. I bought a cult dehart frame and bent the whole rear end at the seat post. It folded over like it was thin aluminum. I switched to a fit shortcut frame and haven't had any issues. I'm not standing up for fit I just had never had any issues so I can't fault them because I haven't experienced anything. But I only ride the frames. Most of my parts are odyssey besides my bars and wheels. I ride shadow or Gsport wheels (shadows are freecoaster/gsport is cassette) everything else is odyssey. Stem, fork, cranks, chain, sprocket, etc.
@evanprinzhorn I prefer shorter back ends. It makes spins out of grinds, manuals and any kind of spin like 360s so much easier. It's just easier to ride that try to throw around a bike with a long back end
I think to an extent it's just like any other industry with smoke and mirrors and money making being paramount to anything else. What is advertised is often not what it seems. People want to pay for what they have come to believe is the best brand and all those brands compete in a saturated market so it can be hard to make a decision. Even asking your friends who ride bikes as most will be biased to their own favourites for whatever reasons. in reality I think most of these brands are having stuff built to very similar quality standards. High prices do not always guarantee high quality. Just check your bike is full chromoly and the geometry suits you, then go for your best colour scheme with bits you like for the lowest price you can. You're going to swap out parts later on anyway I guess
I disagree with you about Cult. First off, when I was looking for a mid-level bike in 2022, you recommended the Cult Control, which I purchased. It was between that and the Kink Whip and I went with Cult. You know why you recommended the Control for the price/quality and I’m very happy with it. The collab with Vans to me is great, because I’ve loved Vans since I was a small kid. The tires and the seats are rad and so are the grips. I also disagree with your comment about the Cult riders. Dakota Roche is a great rider who kills it day in and day out. He’s hardcore and there’s no two ways about it. Panza isn’t the only Cult rider. As for Fit riders, Tommy Dugan is a mind blowing rider… so, I gotta just disagree on those. Also… to lump Cult and Fit in with that third brand just makes me sad.
I ride mostly USA made stuff and that may be seen as gatekeeping to a degree,but I gave Cult a chance and ordered some cranks from them. I was sent two left hand arms with weld spatter on them,then the replacements also had weld spatter on them. Robbie doesn't care and it has permanently damaged the reputation of the brand.
Used cult for crazy amount of stuff for years with shorty frame. Goes well but the only problem is their price are holy expensive! I bought odyssey and Bsd for most part that are better option. But I don’t think they’re bad at all if you choosing the right one
Im going to be honest, I was a fan of Fit since the Series 1 came out and then I had about 3 more Fit frames after the S1 but when I saw that they were putting out completes that little by little you could notice less sought after features, such as going from a full chrmo frame to a frame with just chrmo dropouts and less brand name parts for the same price as a full chrmo bike from other brands, my respect for Fit started to fade away with no brakes on, just like my bike is set up. I know inflation is real, but inflation wasn't a factor when they started price gouging to take advantage of people
Mission and kink got me into the bmx scene and made me want to race. I’m going to try to race my KINKBMX for the next 2 years. I had a 2018 kink whip and I beat the hell out of it and sold it in 2022 when I crashed my car and that bike is still out there being loved and ridden every day
PLEASE do a video on eastern bike co. They’re prices have dropped insane amounts and the trail digger has a full chromoly frame, all sealed parts, and doubly wall rims for $450!!!!
Bro im 38, i decided to get back into BMX a bit when i bought my daughter her 20" bike. I went into walmart to get her one and walked out with hers and a Huffy HX Comp for myself. No issues im 220 lbs 6'2". its a race bike yes. But ive dirt jumped it with no broken parts. Paid $128 for the Huffy. I am buying an SE Racy PK Ripper. But the Huffy served me well.
What about Stranger? I feel that no one really talks about them too much? They have a young group of kids they sponsor that are doing some pretty “modern” tricks… anyone have experience with Stranger products/bikes?
Love cult mostly because of their team but have had some issues with their parts that’s for sure and ride a fit frame that’s awesome but yeah agree with some of the points for sure
@@INSIDIOUS-ONE it also doesn’t make his opinion untrue. Cult is overcharged for the level of quality they bring to the table. Mostly kids and Panza fans are riding Cult. They’re pandering to a demographic that’s mostly only hip to bmx because of the internet.
Ya his gripe seems more leaning towards him thinking it’s more overpriced than overrated. I ride a Fit with a bunch of S&M parts on it myself I plan on getting an S&M frame next I have no issues with it.
Cult, were one the first ones to implement the needle bearing technology in freecoaster drivers, witch pretty much changed bmx, they're frames are also very solid. They have cool limited edition color ways and colabs and they use them to market bmx
I got a 2017 barcode made by S&M, cost me 550 USD paying directly to Joe Rich at the time but I'm happy I got it. I sold my original barcode from 2003 and needed it back !
In my 40s just getting back into it for myself but also to ride with my kids. I just picked up a cult on marketplace place for 200. Hope it’s decent. The frame is 20.5 (might be a gateway frame).
I was told years back that Hyper sells cheap walmart bikes to help keep up there top shelf bmx products. Don't know if it's true but if it helps them in that way why not do it
Tbh a lot of bikes and parts are made in Taiwan or China by a few factories. A few companies r&d parts more then others. Some try to have high end and more budget oriented parts and bikes. Fit still has parts made by S&M in the usa. Only a few companies stayed making high end parts, especially still made in the usa. S&M and profile are the first brands that come to my mind when it comes to high end and US made.
BMX needs more brands like Cult. BMX is so blah, I'm following it because I'm nostalgic and because skating is hard on my knees. Skate culture and streetwear culture...man...BMX is just not at that level. I think Cult is on the right track and it's a track that's really good for them and BMX.
In my few years of experience i found bsd, odyssey and shadow to be my favorite i also tend to look how the parts are made. Most of my bike is 4130 chromoly like the frame cranks forks bars anything i dont want to break pretty much. In my past i have broken every part multiple times. But the bike ive been able to build has been in one piece for a year now. Brands dont mean as much as the build quality in my opinion.
me and my two friends are really into BMXing and my bike broke over and over again until one day i just threw it away because it got to the point where there was no fixing, and whenever me and my frineds wanted to ride i had to ride one of their sister hyper jet fuel bikes and the grips are the worst things ever, your knees hit the handle bars every pedal and they just over all are not good bikes
i remember bending a brand new Cult investment cast fork with just a 360 off of a 2 foot ramp to flat. Didnt even lasted a month with that forks and im just a beginner. Cult are good brand for hubs and smaller goods like berings and headsets but not there when it comes to larger parts like frames, forks and bars.
There are a lot of bike brands that have had to adapt to a changing market. Some have suffered to exist, I loved my we the people omen and my standard 125r but hand US and UK frame building is expensive. Did S&M build the early FIT bikes or was it Standard? Great video, loved reading the comments with people reactions
My cult crew cranks are the only part I've got from them but I love my cranks. I did break my s and m peddles on them though. I learned to buy sealed peddles since I broke the unsealed
I'm an old school.guy wanting to ride again. I'm so confused on what to get. We did crazy stuff on our bikes and never broke stuff . With i had my old kawahara .
I have a kink complete and have had to change almost everything except the frame so far only had for 3 years my first bike was a haro and had it for 7 years with no new parts except grips peddles and tires
I have a Homeless Mack for years…. And Fly Micromachine. Bought a Fly Omega recently and was disappointed to find it was made in China. Guess the next one will be a Laird Frame, that way I know the quality of the build.
So I trying your recommendation 3 bikes but I have more request than you offer. I would like a 24in street with gyro and decent seat. Most all 24in bikes I see are just rear brake cruisers and short vert bars.
Just want to say love my fit str 2023 purple one bought it off Facebook marketplace for 250$ but definitely want to build a custom bike and who cares what you riding along as you riding
Hey Doug could you please review the new fly signature bikes because they look very good and have lots of aftermarket parts on them thanks Love your vids btw
If I would avoid 1 it would be wtp/eclat, they don't care about bmx they have bad customer service and they don't treat their riders as well as other brands of their size.
Thinking of buying my son (13yr old beginner) the STLN Overlord 20.75” snow blind… About $750 here in Canada. I love the look, but can anyone comment on the quality?
Hyper and Mongoose are doing the exact same thing! Their pros are getting their frames made from guys like Laird and then putting out cheap replicas. It's similar to what Huffy did back in the day with Nasty. It sucks honestly. I run a bike park in Cottage Grove MN and it hurts me to see these kids held back by riding junk bikes. At least the Fit and Cult youth bikes are decent quality and somewhat affordable. I just there was more education out there about this stuff and more companies making good quality kids bikes. The weight is one of the biggest factors. I mean these walmart hypers are 30+lbs and the kid riding it is maybe 60lbs, I can't imagine riding a bike that's 50+% of my body weight.
Makes ya hella strong when ya overcome it though, I remember the first bunny hop I done on a modern Bmx in 2016 after not riding completes since 2003... Like you say though, it really held my progression back, I could barely lift it off the ground even after 4 years riding as a kid. if I had even been aware the higher quality stuff existed, I'd of gotten back into it years earlier.
I rode BMX back in the days and now my daughter wants a BMX bike, and when I checked the prices on some... over $1600 I just couldn't believe it, who buys this shit, it's the most basic stripped version of a bicycle, it's a frame, forks, handlebars and rims, how can this be anything over $500 at the top, regardless of what materials are used. I ride a trail now, and have a CANYON Neuron 6 that cost me $1800, overpriced as hell, but there is about 90% more bike there than there is in any BMX, and the BMX is $1600? Give me a break. Luckily I found a $380 Kink BMX that my daughter liked in the local shops here. A serious question who buys $500+ BMX bikes, I'm out of the loop of the BMX culture, but seriously the prices are insane on some of the bikes.
I'm 36 n ridden in years, back in the day I always wanted an S&M lol but always costed too much, my all time fav bike was a Ryan Nyquist Haro back trail
Hey dougsterbob! I have a question. I am turning 14 years old in 9 days (that has nothing to do with my question but whatever). I have a classmate, my best friend. We both ride bmx and he needs a new bmx. He has had a Radio BMX since 2017, he was 8 when he got it. It has 3 piece cranks but single wall rims, and he has gotten like ALOT of pinch flats in the last 2 years or something. And the bike is not great because we are learning more and more tricks and the bike will soon explode...maybe. He is 13 years old (about 5 months younger than me). And he is about 152cm (5 feet). I would love too hear some bmx recommendations that are in the price range of about 300-400 dollars. His parents are probably going to pay for the bike. And also we live in Sweden so keep that in mind, maybe? Im sorry if i have talked too much but i like talking. Have a nice day. We ride park and street.
Hey Dierk, first question: which tire still fits best for you, 16" or do you need a 18" ? This is First to Figure out If you are Not Sure, than Go to some Bike Shops and do some Test Rides.
@@Lala-dr3vf me and my friend both rides 20''. I am 172cm tall and my friend 152cm. 99% of every bmx rider rides 20 so thats what we do. And i dont need a new bike my friend does.
I would disagree because I have a cult bmx and it works really well. The only problem is that the cheaper ones like the cult control they are sooooooo heavy
my brands didnt get roasted hahah im pretty new rider i have 2020 wtp arcade matt black bike with salt pegs(because they were cheapest ones because theyre just pegs) but i doo have cult x vans seat and most bearing and other things are from eclat and bars are 4 piece merrit x ftl ones and ftl bike bag
@@Dougsterboblol ngl that doesn’t mean much bro 😭 im pretty sure if u live up north & have a job. Like literally any job u make more money than them but ayy go off i guess!
Ok so after listening to this and my discord server telling me just to go for a fitted bike think ima go for a sunday primer altho the colors kinda lamw
Also I looked at that Hyper Jet Fuel at Walmart and it almost fell apart just from my gaze... to my surprise and fear it was much lighter than most older cheap Walmart BMXs I seriously would not want anyone riding that giving them false confidence, at best it'll ride from point A to B don't count on getting back to A tho lol
you only have a top 3 ? i'm sure it could have been higher and as for company putting their names on these half arsed completes is a joke like that hyperbikeco ryan williams complete is like $429 at a guess but the frame alone is $349 i know they are not the same product but some people will no doubt get confused little kids don't know what they are doing and parents don't either.
Your biggest complaint about brands is the “hype” but you fail to realize UA-camrs are a big part of “hype” within bmx. It’s not all about manufacturing and companies, a lot of these companies are contributing to the culture of bmx and not just trying to make a buck. Hyper has no intention to contribute to the culture, they are trying to latch their brand onto contest riders to get exposure then sell shit bikes to kids.
I love Cult but I appreciated what you said about that. I wanted to buy an Panza pink frame but I couldn't find it so I bought a Sunday street sweeper and it felt fantastic. I don't think the panza's one could feel the same
Overhyped?? Lets talk Profile BMX. Lots of junk, doesnt stand by their product or quality. I would ride Fit blunts before Profile racing cranks any day... but this brand is held up by the profile fan boy club.
I’m glad I went with Flybikes, got the “Orion” delivered to my door for under $500 bucks, since I requested LHD they sent me a brand new LHD rear wheel for free an said I can keep the one that came with the bike. Flybikes got my respect and all my homies. Shoutout to Fly!!!!
dang my bro got a fly too duperb quality
Flybike gang. Love my fly.
They’re able to send wheels like that because it’s all made in China and they know you’re paying premium prices for Chinese products
@Lo-water-guide-service lol why you hate on flybikes for. Shit everythings made in Taiwan now and everyone knows this so whats your point. Ita still a great quality complete.
@@Lo-water-guide-serviceeverythinks from Taiwan or China
Wish we could add you to our list of Top Overated UA-cam dudes but we've only ever heard of you via your click bait titles that appear to present FIT as a bad brand that you must be paying Google to serve. Admittedly, we haven't watched any of your videos, but the fact that you have us listed as Overated and a Brand to Avoid when we've spent 25 years building a reputation as one the premiere bike manufacturers globally and the ONLY BMX company in the world that has been solely rider-owned and operated for 37 years (not to mention the only current USA-manufacturer of BMX bikes on any scale at all) tells us you're talking out your ass. With hundreds of thousands of satisfied customers the world over and almost 40 years of supporting and building/bettering the BMX scene - we know a lot more about BMX than you do Bobo. If anyone in any of your comment sections has any questions as to why certain bikes are designed or spec'd or priced the way they are, feel free to hit us up directly. Here or on our Fit or S&M socials/channels.
Read the comments guys. I’m not the only one with the opinion and if you were smart you’d set your ego aside and realize that you’re venturing away from what once made for truly great to make a quick buck. Don’t end up like blockbuster
There is a difference between offering a legit bike for a caliber of rider at a price beginners and their parents can afford and making shitty bikes... and we have always made the best bike available at any given price point. It's easy to trick a bike out - and we did when we went the Wifi Complete etc circa the mid 2010s, but the truth is, people don't want to pay for that and beginners don't need full cromo... plus their parents don't want to pay for it. We make a full range of bikes and components for all levels of BMXers and their budgets. We've always said, buy the best bike you can afford. And if you are lucky enough to be looking for a complete bike in today's BMX market - you're probably going to get one for less than the company paid to make it - so buy the best one you can.
But to accuse of ego and making a quick buck? Sounds a little hypocritical wouldn't you say Mr. "I know more than the Industry staples" as you spew actual nonsense for ad revenue? You have Fit/S&M all wrong dude. Let us know if you need a history lesson.@@Dougsterbob
@FitbikecoVideos I'm totally with you on this, this guy thrives on hate, keep evolving and doing your thing. I ride your bikes and have nothing but praise to you guys
I had a fit Van homan, one of the best bikes ive ever owned and a great price point. keep doing what you do @fitbikecovideos You guys are the real ones. GANG GANG 🤘
Fit and s&m are related? This is like when i see a brand that offers “affordable” products sugar coated as cheap while next to that product they offer something a bit better and higher priced. Meanwhile the other brand next to it only offers the good stuff. Makes me feel like fit is really out there to grab any penny they can catch no matter what while other brands just offer you the good stuff. Seeing fit on the comments literally crying is wild and really goes to show you that their products cant even speak for themselves so they have to get their panties in a bunch. Basically fit is the temu wish version of s&m and they are proud of it lol
FIT was never marketed as a Made in USA brand. The whole point of FIT is that it’s a cheaper alternative to S&M which is the greatest bmx manufacturer of all time.
When fit first came out their frames were usa made. Once they decided to make completes and had a good reputation getting part of s&m they got cheap. Besides the highest prices bikes they aren't worth buying. And I say that as someone getting ready to buy a fit 22
wrong the first series one frame was made in taiwan @@jamesd5415
@@jamesd5415 you guys just don't see their vision ....they now make every single piece on the bikes by Fit. So they can effectively replace Entry Level complete Bikes....for new ppl getting into BMX they have some Great options 🎉 if you are already riding at a level that actually requires the best "pro" model then maybe you should just upgrade to a S&M.... Not everything is Made for everyone, and not everyone needs 100% chromoly because they're level of riding doesn't warrant such things yet ... Besides even the Fit Park MD (for example) is a way better complete bike than was available when I started riding
They was tho when they first came out like terrible one
The Frames are still Hand Made in made in the USA....this persons only partially correct. They've been USA Made the Entire time and have the same lifetime warranty as S&M...Alot of higher tier Fit components are still Made in the USA...How ever the Complete Bikes and cheaper priced components are Made in Taiwan....you should watch the Unclicked Podcast and Moeller explains in in detail 🤯✌️❤️💯
Let’s see the top 3 most underrated brands
Yes indeed!
Colony
Tall Order
BSD
mostly Australian brands, they have never ever failed me
Aussie crooks and their overpriced crap
Haro for sure most underrated
@@nofood1 colony stems are the worst in quality
I definitely agree that Cult has poor quality stuff. I rode the Vans tires for a while. 40 dollars each, the traction and strength was not there at all. Which really surprised me because of how squeaky they are when landing 180s. But if I barely turned at all on concrete or Skatelite they’d loose traction immediately and I’d slide out. They also stretch way too much. I tried to inflate em from 80 to 90 psi and they got noticeably bigger. So much that the tire became too wide for the frame. They’re supposed to be 2.4, but when inflated it would stretch to almost 2.5. Doesn’t really inspire much confidence in the structural integrity of the tire. (They’re supposed to be rated at 110 PSI). I now ride the Merritt Brian Foster tire, which I’m quite pleased with.
I can’t really say anything about FIT because I haven’t bought anything from them.
I also definitely agree on Hyper. I think that their marketing is quite questionable. I personally ride the Wizard frame, solely because Scotty’s bike looks awesome. And the geometry fit my needs. So far I’ve been happy with the quality of their professional parts, but I do think the actual Hyper brand should go back to focusing solely on pro BMX.
Great video :)
I can't tell if that's the wind or a ghost in the background lol
ghost for sure
@@Dougsterbob Kaspsr doing a Casper Flip?
Wife is in the shower 🚿 singing and she's not good at it 🤣
I used to ride a 2013 Fit Inman 3 up until last year when the rear hub failed completely. I ride a Sunday now and the quality feels better here, the odyssey parts package are on most of their bikes too. I think Sunday has brand name pricing tho... Literally need a sale or it's not a good deal but is what it is really
Not only in bmx, but almost everything is overhyped, overpriced with lower quality nowadays... I guess it's just the times we live in 😢😄
This.
@Dougsterbob
So the problem with your analysis is that you are seemly only looking to the mid-higher end product to be available/sold. Don't get me wrong, I am all for a few more $$$ to get a better quality product, but companies need to cater to different income bases to sell their products. When I worked at the shop, if we only carried bikes that were $500 and above, the shop would have closed in under a month as we may have sold 2 bikes.
I grew up and worked in a Bike shop in the 80s' when Freestyle was born. Got to hang out with the Pro Teams when they were at the shop and when I was not doing all that, I had to put together and sell Bikes! Anything from the low end Hi-Tense Steel Models to the $600 High End Team Models. As much as our shop sold the $250 and $350 ranged bikes for the time, we also had to have the lower end models that were $150 - $200. Haro, as much as I love my 1988 Team Model (Which I still have) was $600.... But we also sold the Haro FST which was about $200, was NOT full 4130 Chromoly, but for the area the shop was in, was much more affordable. Also my high end Haro like most (Low and High Prices Model) had one feature that appeared in time, a crack where the Seat Post/Frame meet. Didn't matter theater you spent $200 or $600, if you rode hard enough, it appeared.
I did not see you bring up Hoffman Bikes, I mean, you can go into any Walmart (Which is one of you arguments that you can find Hyper in Walmart) and find a Hoffman Brand (Lower End) bike, yet you did not mention it. Is there a reason. I know your video is for "Overrated Brands". Your argument aside from an a $50 Tire (Agree there, I can get a $50 for my car!), but most of your argument is that they are not the higher quality. Again, refer to the above... Not everyone can afford the $400 frame, but maybe for $300 they can get a lower tier complete bike and get started in the sport.
can anyone help me find an all black bmx that's a size 26"-27" with fat tires at around a price range from 300-600?
Hey Douglas it’s great to see you doing good and I don’t know how my feed randomly popped you up but I remember riding with you in the parking garage in las cruses with you and your buddy for hours with my two buddy’s, we were the kids from Safford !!! Awesome to see you still in the bmx space
I enjoy your opinion for 2 reasons:
1. Your speaking from a outside perspective which is easier then having the solid facts from the source which makes your process that much easier.
2. When you do have facts, paper trail and actual confirmation on why certain companies have to do this and that it will make sense..
Now my opinion which we all know gets me in trouble more then others is communication with brands is key..
You need help reaching people I can get you pointed in the right way. You’ll be surprised on how they handle things internally and why things happen the way they do..
I ride the Cult Crew cranks on my S&M. Haven’t had any problems yet but I wouldn’t buy one of their frames. Anyone had an issue with this crank? It seems pretty solid to me.
Cult is bad only in some parts like frames and forks, but stems, grips, hubs etc are good
I have 2 bikes. Cult shorty build and Hawk frame build. Had hawk cranks, but went lighter with the Crew cranks. Both bikes have cult stems. I'm 180 and ride 3 times a week. My stuff holds up. People need to remember companies do not make stuff bomb proof. Eventually any part will break.
Gotta put it out there. I bought a cult dehart frame and bent the whole rear end at the seat post. It folded over like it was thin aluminum. I switched to a fit shortcut frame and haven't had any issues. I'm not standing up for fit I just had never had any issues so I can't fault them because I haven't experienced anything. But I only ride the frames. Most of my parts are odyssey besides my bars and wheels. I ride shadow or Gsport wheels (shadows are freecoaster/gsport is cassette) everything else is odyssey. Stem, fork, cranks, chain, sprocket, etc.
The back check? Also why go from a good back end length to way to short
@evanprinzhorn I prefer shorter back ends. It makes spins out of grinds, manuals and any kind of spin like 360s so much easier. It's just easier to ride that try to throw around a bike with a long back end
Frame so soft like butter 🧈
I think to an extent it's just like any other industry with smoke and mirrors and money making being paramount to anything else. What is advertised is often not what it seems. People want to pay for what they have come to believe is the best brand and all those brands compete in a saturated market so it can be hard to make a decision. Even asking your friends who ride bikes as most will be biased to their own favourites for whatever reasons. in reality I think most of these brands are having stuff built to very similar quality standards. High prices do not always guarantee high quality.
Just check your bike is full chromoly and the geometry suits you, then go for your best colour scheme with bits you like for the lowest price you can.
You're going to swap out parts later on anyway I guess
I disagree with you about Cult. First off, when I was looking for a mid-level bike in 2022, you recommended the Cult Control, which I purchased. It was between that and the Kink Whip and I went with Cult. You know why you recommended the Control for the price/quality and I’m very happy with it. The collab with Vans to me is great, because I’ve loved Vans since I was a small kid. The tires and the seats are rad and so are the grips. I also disagree with your comment about the Cult riders. Dakota Roche is a great rider who kills it day in and day out. He’s hardcore and there’s no two ways about it. Panza isn’t the only Cult rider. As for Fit riders, Tommy Dugan is a mind blowing rider… so, I gotta just disagree on those. Also… to lump Cult and Fit in with that third brand just makes me sad.
Just because you buy into the pandering doesn't make the pandering grimy.
Perspective is everything.
I ride mostly USA made stuff and that may be seen as gatekeeping to a degree,but I gave Cult a chance and ordered some cranks from them. I was sent two left hand arms with weld spatter on them,then the replacements also had weld spatter on them. Robbie doesn't care and it has permanently damaged the reputation of the brand.
I recently purchased a Cult frame (I won't say which one) but there's very visible weld spatter near the bottom bracket
Used cult for crazy amount of stuff for years with shorty frame. Goes well but the only problem is their price are holy expensive! I bought odyssey and Bsd for most part that are better option. But I don’t think they’re bad at all if you choosing the right one
Dakota and dugan are their only really impressive riders.
I saw the thumbnail and knew Sunday wasnt going to be on the list.
i love sunday man
Im going to be honest, I was a fan of Fit since the Series 1 came out and then I had about 3 more Fit frames after the S1 but when I saw that they were putting out completes that little by little you could notice less sought after features, such as going from a full chrmo frame to a frame with just chrmo dropouts and less brand name parts for the same price as a full chrmo bike from other brands, my respect for Fit started to fade away with no brakes on, just like my bike is set up. I know inflation is real, but inflation wasn't a factor when they started price gouging to take advantage of people
Mission and kink got me into the bmx scene and made me want to race. I’m going to try to race my KINKBMX for the next 2 years. I had a 2018 kink whip and I beat the hell out of it and sold it in 2022 when I crashed my car and that bike is still out there being loved and ridden every day
PLEASE do a video on eastern bike co. They’re prices have dropped insane amounts and the trail digger has a full chromoly frame, all sealed parts, and doubly wall rims for $450!!!!
Brand is done
BMX would be a lot fuckin better without negative shite like this, ride what you want and don’t ride what you don’t want - simple as that
For realz. He’s talking about this shi but there’s ppl out there shredding on mongoose and huffy 🤣🤣
Life is too short to be hating bro for real. Love my Fit bikes too. Hyper and Cult sure, he might have a point.
You Mom rides a Norco Spitfire Turbo
You ride sausages nobody's mad if you like doing it do it but don't be hating out this man for giving good information
@@userAL42069me crying on my mongoose sgx pro that was $400 at dicks about 25 years ago. 😢
Bro im 38, i decided to get back into BMX a bit when i bought my daughter her 20" bike. I went into walmart to get her one and walked out with hers and a Huffy HX Comp for myself. No issues im 220 lbs 6'2". its a race bike yes. But ive dirt jumped it with no broken parts. Paid $128 for the Huffy. I am buying an SE Racy PK Ripper. But the Huffy served me well.
What about Stranger? I feel that no one really talks about them too much? They have a young group of kids they sponsor that are doing some pretty “modern” tricks… anyone have experience with Stranger products/bikes?
Full Factory forever baby. \m/
Is the fiction shank a decent fork, i only want it because 990 mounts and how cheap it is
fiction parts break really really easily. i'd be careful if you're over 150lbs
@@Dougsterbob ha i already ordered it and weigh 230, i guess ill see how long it lasts and if i want front brakes then get an odyssey
Love cult mostly because of their team but have had some issues with their parts that’s for sure and ride a fit frame that’s awesome but yeah agree with some of the points for sure
The gate keepers of Cult & Fit glory days aren’t gonna like that one. Glad somebody came out and said it though 😭
rip dougsterbob
Na, you good homie. Truth hurts and whoever doesn’t agree fuck em.
@@bellringer4515 such a tuff guys!!
And who is this guy to say what’s good or bad? It’s his opinion! Just cause he doesn’t like them don’t mean shit!
@@INSIDIOUS-ONE it also doesn’t make his opinion untrue. Cult is overcharged for the level of quality they bring to the table. Mostly kids and Panza fans are riding Cult. They’re pandering to a demographic that’s mostly only hip to bmx because of the internet.
Mr personally I like fiend , Sunday , odyssey, premium, s&m , cinema, and kink that’s the only brands I need but that’s me and that’s who I buy
do the cranks hit your ankles when your pedaling?
Need learn to keep your ankles out the way that’s all
Ride with skateboard shoes. They have thick padded ankle portions
what do you stream on?
So what’s good ? 5’11 adult here looking for a 29” bike or something for flat land and wheelies
Check out the kink whip bro!
Or the kink whip Xl
hmm Fit might be overrated but it is clearly the Taiwanese branch of S&M, it's not made American made. Moeller even talks about why it is started.
Ya his gripe seems more leaning towards him thinking it’s more overpriced than overrated. I ride a Fit with a bunch of S&M parts on it myself I plan on getting an S&M frame next I have no issues with it.
Cult, were one the first ones to implement the needle bearing technology in freecoaster drivers, witch pretty much changed bmx, they're frames are also very solid.
They have cool limited edition color ways and colabs and they use them to market bmx
I got a 2017 barcode made by S&M, cost me 550 USD paying directly to Joe Rich at the time but I'm happy I got it. I sold my original barcode from 2003 and needed it back !
I rode a Standard Trailboss 250 for many years, thing was a BEAST!!!! I miss bmxing so much!!!
Hand down my fave company...
I had one too, an olive Trail Boss in late 90s back when they had 3/8 dropout slot. Still though, one of the best frames I ever rode.
the hyper team ride custom laird frames
I have a fit and I love it. Definitely the best bmx to start out on
In my 40s just getting back into it for myself but also to ride with my kids. I just picked up a cult on marketplace place for 200. Hope it’s decent. The frame is 20.5 (might be a gateway frame).
I was told years back that Hyper sells cheap walmart bikes to help keep up there top shelf bmx products. Don't know if it's true but if it helps them in that way why not do it
I took a leap of faith years ago- and bought 2 Framed bikes online for my kids- and they still seem really cool and smooth.
Tbh a lot of bikes and parts are made in Taiwan or China by a few factories. A few companies r&d parts more then others. Some try to have high end and more budget oriented parts and bikes. Fit still has parts made by S&M in the usa. Only a few companies stayed making high end parts, especially still made in the usa. S&M and profile are the first brands that come to my mind when it comes to high end and US made.
What u think of fiend
BMX needs more brands like Cult. BMX is so blah, I'm following it because I'm nostalgic and because skating is hard on my knees. Skate culture and streetwear culture...man...BMX is just not at that level. I think Cult is on the right track and it's a track that's really good for them and BMX.
corporate backing is what you're talking about with "Skate culture and streetwear". I'm embarrassed and won't call myself a skateboarder.
In my few years of experience i found bsd, odyssey and shadow to be my favorite i also tend to look how the parts are made. Most of my bike is 4130 chromoly like the frame cranks forks bars anything i dont want to break pretty much. In my past i have broken every part multiple times. But the bike ive been able to build has been in one piece for a year now. Brands dont mean as much as the build quality in my opinion.
I had a bad experience with shadow :( but love BSD - but i agree with you build quality over everything
me and my two friends are really into BMXing and my bike broke over and over again until one day i just threw it away because it got to the point where there was no fixing, and whenever me and my frineds wanted to ride i had to ride one of their sister hyper jet fuel bikes and the grips are the worst things ever, your knees hit the handle bars every pedal and they just over all are not good bikes
i remember bending a brand new Cult investment cast fork with just a 360 off of a 2 foot ramp to flat.
Didnt even lasted a month with that forks and im just a beginner.
Cult are good brand for hubs and smaller goods like berings and headsets but not there when it comes to larger parts like frames, forks and bars.
There are a lot of bike brands that have had to adapt to a changing market. Some have suffered to exist, I loved my we the people omen and my standard 125r but hand US and UK frame building is expensive. Did S&M
build the early FIT bikes or was it Standard? Great video, loved reading the comments with people reactions
My cult crew cranks are the only part I've got from them but I love my cranks. I did break my s and m peddles on them though. I learned to buy sealed peddles since I broke the unsealed
What are your thoughts on the SE guadium complete bike.
To be fair r willy does have a hyper frame probably a much higher end frame than the ones they sale but he does use one
R Willy rides a titanium laird frame
I have 26 inch cult devotion, and I haven't had any issues, but I dont ride too hard.
Not disagreeing with you I think you are right but I have not broken any of my cult parts except some bent bars. 2 years in and I ride every day.
I'm an old school.guy wanting to ride again. I'm so confused on what to get. We did crazy stuff on our bikes and never broke stuff . With i had my old kawahara .
Is the radio valac a good bike for 350.00 on sale
I have a kink complete and have had to change almost everything except the frame so far only had for 3 years my first bike was a haro and had it for 7 years with no new parts except grips peddles and tires
I have a Homeless Mack for years…. And Fly Micromachine. Bought a Fly Omega recently and was disappointed to find it was made in China. Guess the next one will be a Laird Frame, that way I know the quality of the build.
So I trying your recommendation 3 bikes but I have more request than you offer. I would like a 24in street with gyro and decent seat. Most all 24in bikes I see are just rear brake cruisers and short vert bars.
I find primo, merit, odyssey have always been solid
Seems like everyone who leaves Merritt ends up trashing their parts.
Amazed you didn't mentioned Mafia. I'm still trying to workout if Harry Main is still sponsored by them?
Interesting opinion, how about cult frame aftermarket? Is it overrated? How about the quality?
Same as most other brands' aftermarket frames as they're made in the same factory in Taiwan
Just want to say love my fit str 2023 purple one bought it off Facebook marketplace for 250$ but definitely want to build a custom bike and who cares what you riding along as you riding
My favorite frames are FBM. I still have two and one of them is custom to my spec. It’s sad they are gone.
Can you do a review on the Fit Metal Eagle? Looks like a sick ass trail bike ngl
Hey Doug could you please review the new fly signature bikes because they look very good and have lots of aftermarket parts on them thanks
Love your vids btw
Aren't Cult something to do with Primo? The hubs are almost identical, similar to Stranger
If I would avoid 1 it would be wtp/eclat, they don't care about bmx they have bad customer service and they don't treat their riders as well as other brands of their size.
Haro RUUUUUUULES!!!
It’s sad that I go to look up a BMX part and this hate shows up uninvited.
Ride cult forks they're 100 aud cheaper than other brands and lasted 2 years no problem. Also the crew bars are also mint
Thinking of buying my son (13yr old beginner) the STLN Overlord 20.75” snow blind…
About $750 here in Canada. I love the look, but can anyone comment on the quality?
I would look into the size! If he’s 13, he’s likely too small to comfortably progress on a 20.75” (the suggested height is 5’9 to 6’
Hyper and Mongoose are doing the exact same thing! Their pros are getting their frames made from guys like Laird and then putting out cheap replicas. It's similar to what Huffy did back in the day with Nasty. It sucks honestly. I run a bike park in Cottage Grove MN and it hurts me to see these kids held back by riding junk bikes. At least the Fit and Cult youth bikes are decent quality and somewhat affordable. I just there was more education out there about this stuff and more companies making good quality kids bikes. The weight is one of the biggest factors. I mean these walmart hypers are 30+lbs and the kid riding it is maybe 60lbs, I can't imagine riding a bike that's 50+% of my body weight.
Makes ya hella strong when ya overcome it though, I remember the first bunny hop I done on a modern Bmx in 2016 after not riding completes since 2003... Like you say though, it really held my progression back, I could barely lift it off the ground even after 4 years riding as a kid. if I had even been aware the higher quality stuff existed, I'd of gotten back into it years earlier.
@@ryanmcsephney2332 oh yeah builds up the muscles!
I rode BMX back in the days and now my daughter wants a BMX bike, and when I checked the prices on some... over $1600 I just couldn't believe it, who buys this shit, it's the most basic stripped version of a bicycle, it's a frame, forks, handlebars and rims, how can this be anything over $500 at the top, regardless of what materials are used. I ride a trail now, and have a CANYON Neuron 6 that cost me $1800, overpriced as hell, but there is about 90% more bike there than there is in any BMX, and the BMX is $1600? Give me a break. Luckily I found a $380 Kink BMX that my daughter liked in the local shops here. A serious question who buys $500+ BMX bikes, I'm out of the loop of the BMX culture, but seriously the prices are insane on some of the bikes.
Hi can you make a video about the stay strong optimum str please it looks like a pretty good bike for a fair price amount
SE Bikes?
What do you think of STAYSTRONG brand?
They did Stephen Murray dirty so they suck.
In my day the 2000s fit would always snap, fly would snap, Hoffman and haro were a joke and still are, Sunday and S&M were bullet proof frames.
Seen plenty of Sunday Soundwave frames break where the downtube gusset ends.
I'm 36 n ridden in years, back in the day I always wanted an S&M lol but always costed too much, my all time fav bike was a Ryan Nyquist Haro back trail
You need to try the cult half link chain. %100 the strongest chain on the market, maybe ever. You will not break that chain. Guaranteed.
Glad you mentioned a Cult half link chain. Mine ripped like paper through the links. Shadow supreme chain for the win.
I had a cult devotion. Cranks were always loose and squeaky. Dumped it and got a kink whip xl. Whip was all around a much better bike.
Hey dougsterbob! I have a question. I am turning 14 years old in 9 days (that has nothing to do with my question but whatever). I have a classmate, my best friend. We both ride bmx and he needs a new bmx. He has had a Radio BMX since 2017, he was 8 when he got it. It has 3 piece cranks but single wall rims, and he has gotten like ALOT of pinch flats in the last 2 years or something. And the bike is not great because we are learning more and more tricks and the bike will soon explode...maybe. He is 13 years old (about 5 months younger than me). And he is about 152cm (5 feet). I would love too hear some bmx recommendations that are in the price range of about 300-400 dollars. His parents are probably going to pay for the bike. And also we live in Sweden so keep that in mind, maybe? Im sorry if i have talked too much but i like talking. Have a nice day. We ride park and street.
Hey Dierk,
first question: which tire still fits best for you, 16" or do you need a 18" ? This is First to Figure out
If you are Not Sure, than Go to some Bike Shops and do some Test Rides.
@@Lala-dr3vf me and my friend both rides 20''. I am 172cm tall and my friend 152cm. 99% of every bmx rider rides 20 so thats what we do. And i dont need a new bike my friend does.
BSD FTW
Lightest non ti frame ?
Thank you for bringing up CULT . . . it's an absolutely horrendous brand!
I would disagree because I have a cult bmx and it works really well. The only problem is that the cheaper ones like the cult control they are sooooooo heavy
u probabaly don't do big tricks and big drops that's why ur cult still works for you
my brands didnt get roasted hahah im pretty new rider i have 2020 wtp arcade matt black bike with salt pegs(because they were cheapest ones because theyre just pegs) but i doo have cult x vans seat and most bearing and other things are from eclat and bars are 4 piece merrit x ftl ones and ftl bike bag
I had a fit trl and it was an okay bike for a complete
My buddies cult freecoaster broke on the first week
I always had standard byke company... 63 standard army
Did you have ambitions to be a whiney old woman when you were young?
If you did, congratulations, you nailed it.
I make more money than your favorite pro
@@Dougsterbob haha. Lovely stuff.
@@Dougsterbob I just dislike whinging about other people/peoples products. Don’t make money on negativity. It serves the worst of mankind.
@@Dougsterboblol ngl that doesn’t mean much bro 😭 im pretty sure if u live up north & have a job. Like literally any job u make more money than them but ayy go off i guess!
Ok so after listening to this and my discord server telling me just to go for a fitted bike think ima go for a sunday primer altho the colors kinda lamw
Subrosa Malum. 100% chromoly. Absolutely love my bike🔥🔥
Also I looked at that Hyper Jet Fuel at Walmart and it almost fell apart just from my gaze... to my surprise and fear it was much lighter than most older cheap Walmart BMXs I seriously would not want anyone riding that giving them false confidence, at best it'll ride from point A to B don't count on getting back to A tho lol
you only have a top 3 ? i'm sure it could have been higher and as for company putting their names on these half arsed completes is a joke like that hyperbikeco ryan williams complete is like $429 at a guess but the frame alone is $349 i know they are not the same product but some people will no doubt get confused little kids don't know what they are doing and parents don't either.
I own a Fly Savannah and its awesome!
Selling cheaper bikes doesn't make a brand over rated, hyper is probably one of the best park brands
Your biggest complaint about brands is the “hype” but you fail to realize UA-camrs are a big part of “hype” within bmx. It’s not all about manufacturing and companies, a lot of these companies are contributing to the culture of bmx and not just trying to make a buck. Hyper has no intention to contribute to the culture, they are trying to latch their brand onto contest riders to get exposure then sell shit bikes to kids.
I love Cult but I appreciated what you said about that. I wanted to buy an Panza pink frame but I couldn't find it so I bought a Sunday street sweeper and it felt fantastic. I don't think the panza's one could feel the same
So I'm glad cuz my frame is Panza signature
Overhyped?? Lets talk Profile BMX. Lots of junk, doesnt stand by their product or quality. I would ride Fit blunts before Profile racing cranks any day... but this brand is held up by the profile fan boy club.
I love Cult I would never buy a cult Complete but the signature parts are great quality