I Turned The iPad Pro M4 Into a PC!
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- This tool helped me run Windows, Ubunutu, and all kinds of PC operating systems on my iPad Pro M4!
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This week I'm going over my experience with the UTM SE emulator for iPadOS (and iOS) - This was a super fun experiment, and I was able to get Windows XP, and a bunch of Linux distros running on iPadOS!
While there is still a long way to go with this tech, there are some promising signs, and if it keeps progressing, the future could be very exciting with emulation and virtual machines on the iPad.
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Why can't Apple just allow a complete MacOS Finder and Disk Management App. rather than the complete MacOS. That would totally solve the issue many of us have with the clunky file management of iPad Pro and also allow for the missing disk management.
Agreed! Just get rid of the Files app and introduce Finder as a replacement!
yes, but i just found an apps "filebrowser pro" which is so good to use on ipad that solve the problem.
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@@4thNebula Funny u only mention that for the iPad Pro, so the other iPads (iPad, iPad mini, iPad Air) are not deserve that same features/ability for better file management? those are running the same iPadOS lmfao 🤣🤣🤣
I am surprised there isn't a third party file manager on the App Store like the Commander style apps. First tried this style of file manager on the Amiga in the 1980s. It complements a traditional Finder with a two-panel file manager with viewers, file management commands, keyboard shortcuts. It can work with cloud drives, file systems, external storage, and more.
I used to run the JIT enabled version of UTM on my M1 iPad Pro. Virtual machine performance was considerable better than using UTM SE, but not as good as UTM that has access to the hypervisor on a jailbroken iPad. The JIT version of UTM was viable on iPad OS 16, because I could compile a utility called Jitterbug with my Apple developer credentials, allowing me to JIT tether my M1 iPad Pro to itself rather than a second Apple device across the LAN. iPad OS 17 broke the way this works, such that JIT tethering now only works if you physically connect (i.e. via cable) your iPad Pro running the UTM JIT version to a JIT server, e.g. Alt Store running on a MacBook. As consequence, I now consider the M series iPad Pro as the most pointless product in Apple's product lineup, as iPad OS cripple it's amazing hardware to a closed ecosystem of mostly mediocre smart phone apps. I've now replaced my M1 iPad Pro with a Windows 11 Tablet as this runs a desktop class OS, with desktop class web browsers and supports Linux development etc via WSL2.
Мечтаю о полноценной OS на смартфоне. Оставил бы дома один монитор, клавиатуру и мышку. Мне для работы редко, но метко необходима полноценная OS. Из-за этого приходится иметь Mac
How was the jailbroken iPad UTM experience and is it still viable today? I desperately want someone to make a Windows device with the standard iPad form factor. I have considered buying an iPad for remote desktop, and if I got one, UTM would be my only use case.
@@johnw7707 It wasn't a jailbroken iPad. jitterbug was as application that worked with iPad OS 16 and you compiled with your Apple Developer credentials. It configured an internal VPN that JIT "debug" tethered your iPad you to an iOS debug disk image saved locally on your iPad rather than on a second Apple device on your LAN. You the used Alt Store to install the JIT enabled version of UTM and Dolphin emulator, and these apps would run standalone on your iPad. The only maintenance required was updating the jitterbug pairing token every time there was an iPad OS update. This approached stopped working when Apple change the way app sideloading worked to "supposedly" comply with new EU regulations from iPad OS 17, but in truth made in more difficult rather than straightforward.
He would probably
Use that too if he would research properly… sadly he obviously didn’t like most UA-camrs. That’s why 99% of people think you can’t sideload on iOS which is false. You can sideload on iOS for years. Very very sad…
iPadOS supports virtualization only up to 16.3.1, not 17. I am looking for some used iPads with M1/M2 and hypervisor enabled OS, but closest I got was 16.6.1
We can only hope the great people working at Asahi Linux keep doing their invaluable work.
I stopped updating my M1 iPad starting from iPadOS 16.2 and waited for a jailbreak or something that would enable me to virtualize windows. It fortunately happened (thanks to the developers of trollstore) and I’m now able to run Windows 11 at “full speed” on my M1 iPad (without even jailbreaking it) and it helped me sooo much doing some little tasks that would require a Windows computer or a Linux machine. That was honestly not the smoothest experience I have ever had due to the lack of RAM but it was really enjoyable and in my case useful. I hope one day Apple will find a way (/compromise) to take full advantage of the M chips in iPads. As of now, iPads are for me really limited powerhouses.
How did you do it? Ive m2 pro
Is there graphic acceleration?
How did you do it? I have the same iPad as you
Fun Fact Android recently got the Winlator development update. Winlator is a Windows 10 Emulator for Android and it works like a charm, people have played Skyrim and other games in it and I am using it to play old Visual Novels and other games, it runs smoothly on anything with more than 6GB of RAM and an Antutu score of above 700k so yeah my old Poco F1 with the Snapdragon 845 Processor can run it. I recommend people buying Android tablets and using them if they want a light weight Windows usable device
I will still say no to ipads unless it runs macOS
Dual boot is the perfect scenario…fuck apple
Not gonna happen sadly. Too much loss in MacBook sales if they do that
@@chrismundanchery4357 while i agree and think the same, still an overprice macbook so who knows...i do know markets, and if they can manage to create more ipad sales, while being more profitable on those is just a matter of time
I wish but it Will never happen man. It would in their laptop sales 😂
@@dannggg people keep thinking that and while it makes sense, their revenue will significantly increase, iPad are more profitable than macs, a 1k dollar mac air still a better deal for a consumer than a 1600 ipad (keyboard included).
And pro laptops will still be sold for the heavy user. Is the same way with surface line, while the laptop is affordable and in number sells more than the surface pro, the difference in price is significantly.
It will happen and we are closer than ever
Bro has the most random endings to a video ever.
Please tell the truth that UTM SE is practically unusable in real life! The use of the full-fledged UTM can barely be useable in my recent trial!
unless you have an M1 in its original OS version, in that case it's extremely fast thanks to hypervisor
@@_Digitalguy thanks for this comment gonna go install on my 16.0 m1 now
I spent hours trying to get Windows XP installed on my iPhone 15 but it took too long and near the end I accidentally closed UTM. On my M1 MacBook Air it took like 10 minutes. I don’t know why Apple doesn’t allow JIT on the App Store. Even with AltStore or SideStore you still need a Mac with you to enable JIT.
MacOS >>> iPadOS
if people want both have MacOS virtualize or just copy the iPadOS UI and not the other way round.
I‘d like to have something like windows 10 or 11 to enter REAL microsoft office, since it is not available on iPadOS. And no, I don‘t want to have a windows laptop or macbook as a secondary device. I only wanna use my iPad, because everything else works out for me with that.
Windows is machine coded to the X86 platform, so the real Windows doesn't even run on Surface.
@@tonyburzio4107 but even on arm windows there is real microsoft office 🥲
a 2-in-1 like the surface pro might work
@@firestormjupiter it‘s pretty cool, but goodnotes for iPadOS is still far ahead from the windows or android version. And excelt for the lack of real ms office, I love my iPad and would not want to trade it in for a surface :). At this point of time, there is no device, which fits for all my needs. I would always have to have two devices for everything to work…
If you look at my comment on this video, I installed Windows 11 on ARM on my M1 iPad pro, but for it to run as fast as on a Mac you need to have hypervisor, so the iPad has to be on iPadOS 15 or early 16 since Apple removed it at some point in 16.
you should sideload the non-SE version, as it is a much better upgrade from the SE version
iPad Pro 13 M4, installed Windows XP, went super smooth. But i found it useless, as it’s super slow and as mentioned in the video, they have a problem with sharing files. Thus you only can install/ get files/games via internet inside of the windows, which is already painful as no websites are functioning as they should and everything is painfully slow. Additionally i was not able to get trackpad working, but the keyboard worked directly tho.
I use my ipad on the go. Ipad OS is good for 80% of workload. For the other 20%, i use VPN and Windows Remote Desktop to connect to my PC. It works great.
It’s perfect for me! Thanks got a new sub
In installed Windows 11 on Arm on my M1 iPad pro with 16GB RAM via full UTM (with jailbreak). It's in its original OS version (iPadOS 15), so it has access to Hypervisor and it runs just as fast as on a Mac using Parallels. But UTM is no Parallels and there are several major tradeoffs:
You need to stay on iPadOS 15 since Apple removed access to hypervisor in 16. So no stage manager, let alone Apple intelligence.
Shared folders don't work, so you need to use a cloud service (no big deal in Windows 11, I use dropbox).
No external monitor support, not even for mirroring (not great since I have a 11" iPad).
Non retina resolution signal (you can adjust the resolution, scaling and aspect ratio as you want on Windows, but the signal is non retina, so it's like running it on an iPad 2).
It's totally usable, but I wouldn't want to use it as a main Windows device... I just wish I could update my iPad to have stage manager etc.
For now I'll leave it there since I have a 13" with M1 on 17 that I can update to use all the features. Also jailbreaks don't work on iPadOS 17 and 18 so there are also other benefits...
15.4.1 with UTM.HV running windows 11 here on my ipad pro m1 12.9 here. Shared folder work perfectly here. You need to edit registry to increase maximum webdav protocol file transfer to max 4GB, search google for that. My VM running as fast as it allow. 1080p60 youtube 1.25 work fine, no sound crack. Major progame like AI (portable, PS (portable), Corel15, Sketchup, metatrader, tc2000, binance, tradingview… you name it running normally. There is many tips and trick and tweak to make it faster, like disable windows telemery, install processlasso…
I have an iPad mini 6th generation and I had tried to install antiX, a super light version of Linux with user interface, basically it works but pretty slow, what I hadn't seen or figure it out is how to install raspberry OS and now I have almost no more memory in my iPad
Saw the map of Halifax and was surprised! instant sub LOL
The lack of the ability to run whatever I want on my iPad while having a smooth experience is the main reason I rarely use it outside of note-taking. Properly-equipped iPad Pros are the worst $1500 a human can spend.
I installed windows 7 on my ipad air m1 using UTML and it ran but it was just painfully slow and now it shows error starting windows (basically i will have to reinstall it probably, which i am not willing to do as how long it took to install windows was painfully slow). I never ever thought i would be able to run windows on iOS without jailbreak but here it is, its not a smooth experience but it is a step in the right direction.
Windows 7 is X86, iPad is ARM. Windows on 11 on arm will run better (but will only run great on iPadOS 15 or early 16 because of hypervisor)
@@_Digitalguy but windows 11 minimum requirement is quite high. Have you tried installing it?
@@rez1hossain887 yes and it runs perfectly. Minimum requirement is 4GB RAM, I have 16GB RAM in my iPad pro, so I allocate 8 to UTM, but even if you have 8GB on your iPad it's feasible, the issue is that without hypervisor it's not worth it
when i tried to install the windows xp it took almost 8 hours of waiting for it to complete...
I’ve gotten dolphinOS onto my iPad through sideloading couldn’t utm provide that version be it through alt store scarlet or other sideloading stores
UTM was originally on Altstore I think
Cant UTM now publish their App with JIT on alternative appstores?
You can Sideload it but you need hypervisor to enable JIT and they patched it past iPadOS 16 if I'm not mistaken.
Kyle the king of UA-cam for me ❤
u can use utm JiT without jailbreak using altstore even on M4 try making a video on that
Having a usable emulated Ubuntu is pretty useful
I have 15.4.1 on my m1 iPad Pro and can run the full version of UTM with actual virtualization! I love it and it’s amazing
I am on 15.3.1 on my M1 iPad (with 16GB RAM). Windows 11 works great in terms of speed but if you look at my comment to this videos it has several major issues (namely no external monitor support and low resolution)
@@_Digitalguyfor external
Monitor support
You need IOS 17 which will destroy Your UTM
@@sentience3033 it works with iPadOS 16 already, but in 17 it was improved. But you cannot upgrade to 16 from 15 at this point, it would go directly to 17 so yes, it's either or
If I can run age of empires or red alert, that’s a win!
You can run it, but it would not be smooth. I just tried The Sims 1 and it stutters a lot unfortunately.
For file transfer, you can also create ISOs with the files you want and mount them.
Also, for old games, you can play strategy games like Starcraft 1 (haven't tried anything else) through Windows 98 on RetroArch (pure dos core).
I’ve used UTM for years and windows vista and 8 work perfectly but non of the macOSs work but if you wanna run an os smoothly make sure its required ram is under 2 GBs
Apple intentionally locks down iPad OS so that you buy both a mac and an ipad. It's infuriating how they limit what I can do on my tablet simply to drive sales and maintain control of their ecosystem. I have 3 hopes when it comes to apple related things.
1. Mac os on ipad, obviously.
2. The EU and other governments keep forcing them to be more consumer friendly.
3. That Procreate releases on android so I can ditch the iPad for a slightly less limiting tablet os.
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lol
I installed Windows 7 and Half Life 1 with UTM on my M2 iPad Pro... went fullscreen into some weird 200p looking resolution and got about 2 and a half frames per second. But it was incredibly funny and cool
I enjoyed watching your experiments with this - so that I don't have to 🙂
Your video did make me long for the days of Boot Camp because I still have a couple of .exe applications that I like to use from time to time, but I have a modest Windows PC for those.
was actually pretty challenging to film this - because everything was slow, it took me a lot longer to work my way through things than it normally does!
The speed of emulation is about the speed of a 1995 computer on an iPhone Xr, so obviously Windows 98 performs just like it did on my grandfather's computer.
If they allow this emulator , then is it possible to get MAC OS on the iPad ?
I am surprised there is no way to run native ARM Linux & Windows on iPads. You can with Parallels on the Mac on ARM.
Use windows arm iso, i have mine from needing to sign up my Microsoft account to the windows insider program, annoying but hope this helps
I just want to remote into machines and use iPad as a dumb terminal.
There's such silly basic issues like poor mouse scrolling and no recognition of middle mouse button
God, apple just let us have JIT so us who want to use our pro machines as actual PRO machines
Will these methods work on the iPad mini 5?
Great thumbnail!
you must have done something wrong with the xp one. on my 2014 ipad air 2 xp installation worked first try
Can it run Crysis?
So bummed that Apple still won’t allow JIT.
Ive just used vs code tunnels into my mac from m2 ipad pro and use tailscale for network. But its so annoying we can't run vscode locally with python and sql
The REAL reason Apple does not want MacOS on iPad is 💸💸💸💸💸💸💸
MacOS is open allowing users to purchase their apps from anywhere they want and install what they want.
iPadOS is *WALL GARDENED* and users are restricted to a limited single monopoly App store.
Hello to you.
I was still not able to create any virtual machine on the pad m4.
In the Mac was it simple but on the Pad I have much struggle. Mot installed display, the install stop on a shell prompt, letters which looks like a mixture of Arabic letters and Hieroglyphen, and so on. In the x86 mode I get the not that the system is not compatible. The guest extension is activated, and I have the iso for x86 also arm on the pad. A copy paste transfer of the VM machine on the Mac procure only a black screen.
Can anybody tell my which settings need UTM that win is able to run‘ Ann x86 or / and a arm win 11 or also a older version.
I have the stupid feeling that minimum the processor and display emulations be on my device are not correct.
It should be nice when anybody can discover me the secret.
Thank you very much.
Awesome video, this was pretty unique. Seeing Pinball again was like a blast from the past.
Why they don’t let us have a mouse cursor… can’t beleive we are still with there in 2024… jailbreak all the way
Why not windows 10 or 11?
iPad Pro would sell like crazy if apple didn’t limit it
This is a cool video and all, but i dont see a reason to want to run macos on a tablet when the complete tablet-mac set up cost juat as much as a macbook.
You know what would help your thumbnail? A big red circle somewhere in the middle.
UTM seems great, but it's painfully slow. I've tried to install Windows or Linux, both x86 and ARM. I was unable to boot Linux to LiveCD or install Windows - it takes too much time. Probably Windows XP is OK because it's old system. Maybe JIT will be allowed at some point.
Windows 11 on ARM is very fast with hypervisor (I have it), but you need to be on iPadOS 15 or early 16, since Apple removed access to hypervisor at some point in 16.
@@_DigitalguyiPad OS 16.3.1 is the last version where Hypervisor was available
@@sentience3033 thanks
@@_Digitalguy No problem
I just hope either they return the hypervisor / Virtualization framework or give us a way to rollback to 16.3.1
@@sentience3033 I highly doubt it knowing Apple, especially now that they were forced to allow sideloading in the EU they want to make sure you cannot run Windows or other OS on your iPad
But can you get this to run steam OS?
Can I install . Ex e?
if you virtualize Windows, yeah. just sideload the app instead of getting it from the app store because of jit missing
UTM was too slow for me, but interesting app
it's slow because Apple removed access to hypervisor, on iPadOS 15 it's very fast
@@_Digitalguy Damm Apple always ruining the fun
I just want JIT to emulate the Nintendo Switch
Apple leave it alone
now use windows to emulate mac
turn it into a macbook
Can u do it with linux
yeah I think
Any ipad pro M4 user tried installing Windows 11 yet? is it worth for a try? Thanks
@@berkleywish9295 thanks for the feedback
It is painfully slow, it also demands a lot of resources memory wise. Take several hours to get it installed. It apparently is just using one core, multi core is unstable.
@@JoshuaSmith-hm9ps thanks!
on M4 it will be too slow because Apple remove access to Hypervisor on iPadOS 16. On a M1 in its original OS version it will run virtually as fast as native (I have it on iPadOS 15.3.1)
what's a PC?
this thinks are needed especialy to do ethical hacking on your ipad
iPC
Apple fans invented VM
All that M4 hardware is wasted as is the price.
Buy a cheap tablet (android or ipad whatever so long as it can have fast internet connection WiFi6 or 5G).
Then Remote into Desktop or Cloud and run anything you want on the go.
Best current solution. Apple overcharges for hardware you cannot tap the full performance of. M4 is a total waste of money as such for more complex stuff you cannot do on iPadOS. Android tablets also worth using if you get good hardware for good price.
This UTM SE is just a toy - impressive work-arounds to locked hypervisor but not practical.
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Just buy a MacBook and be happy guys - trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Let the iPad be an iPad - and buy a PC or Mac if you need one
Ipad OS is just the worst 😂
I just hit Don’t Recommend This Channel
Umm, PC's have had tablet optins for ever. Now PCs have ARM Snapdragon processors options witch kill Apple M3.. Ohh Yeah, Plus you will be still be able to use real GPUs unlike Apple silicone.. This is tottly pointless!!!
way too slow
i really just want to run full versions of Microsoft Office, I don't care about games or entertainment stuff, i just want to do my work on an Ipad...
But mobile versions of Microsoft office are dog shit.
That’s something you can do with UTM SE
I personally installed it & office works great
Apple allowed dual booting once before, and all it meant was no vendor ever ported to Apple. None. That was a mess! This time, harangue your vendors to port, especially with all the new Intel chips melting.
dual boot on Mac has been a things for many years and you have many native apps on Macs nonetheless
pointless video. iPad is completely useless with is pumpediOS. Apple doesn't want you to run a real OS on it, and that's it.
and it still sucked because of ipados
yes, because apple doesn’t officially support JIT compiling on iPadOS and iOS. that’s why there UTM SE on the app store, but not the standard UTM.
It’s a security risk to allow JIT.
Which is why Windows users don't mind. :-)
Opening a website is a security risk. They can sandbox it just like they do any app.
Wanna hear hilarious comment
Safari has JIT lol
A Freaking website
Why would an Apple user want to do that?
I think some of us don't really consider ourselves "Apple users", but just like tech. It's fun to tinker around with these kinds of things, and see what's possible
Why would you not want to do that? I can find a ton of uses for having a linux machine on a ipad.
"Just buy a windows laptop" comments incoming
Yeah, to bring in what? Just to look cool.
To run an app that will never be ported to the ipad.