Could Yu-Gi-Oh Ever Have an Official 4-Player Format?
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- It's our first remotely recorded Pod of Greed episode. We're catching up on the last two weeks of news! There's a lot of big Yu-Gi-Oh happenings, and some updates to AI stories. At least it's all mostly good! Plus some deep Pot questions: could Yu-Gi-Oh have a 4 player mode? Should Yu-Gi-Oh market more to adults? What's wrong with Digimon?
Timestamps
0:00 - Intro
2:48 - Yugioh Player GOing To The Olympics?!
2:20 - Yu-Gi-Oh Nationals had unexpected results
12:22 - New Yugioh Cards
19:13 - Master Duel Consistency Hits
33:03 - RIP Speed Duels
41:56 - Europe Gets Its First YCS of 2024!
43:34 - The VA of Jun Majome Passes Away
48:28 - Yugioh at SDCC
51:17 - Demon Slayer Is Coming To Union Arena
54:49 - Every TCG Wants Commander Format
1:06:49 - Pokemon TCG Hates AI
1:08:52 - Nintendo Hates AI Too
1:12:01 - AI Is Killing The Environment
1:27:37 - We're Not Eating Out Anymore 😤
1:31:17 - Answering The Pot of Greed
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*Our first remote podcast episode! Moving forward, we'll be doing these a lot more, and we will work on improving the audio and video quality. Anyway, lots of news to catch up on this week so we tried to power through! Feel free to chime in with your input on any of these stories, of course!* 💭
nooooo!! I loved it when you guys were in the same room because it feels a lot more like two guys just chatting about fun stuff in the same room. still gonna listen in but I preferred it in person
This is my first pog and it's good how it is ❤
It’s actually pretty good like this imo
I have a great idea for a new summoning mechanic. I really want to hear your thoughts on it. A red monster card. It's an idea I've had since synchrony. Let me know if you are interested
@@camronk1356ohhh I also had the same idea of a red card lol what is your mechanic
You need to flip the camera so you are "looking" at each other.
Next time! We're still new to this
There's a lot of things I gotta fix..
The title alone called us in!
One day will be the day
i feel like at this point you would have better luck talking to konami directly.
@@BlindOracle00 maybe soon
Can't wait to see Kuriboh, Baby Dragon, and Petit Moth at the Olympics.
I don't need a darker, more mature YGO. I just want an end to the censorship.
I want my cool warrior with guns to use guns, not super soakers.
A 4-player Yugioh format should do it in a way that is on brand, instead of trying to force Yugioh cards to fit into some Magic the Gathering format. That's why I think the best 4-player Yugioh option should be played on a map and pay tribute to the handful of Yugioh spinoff games like labyrinth dules, capsule monsters, etc. Doing so would feel true to Yugioh and it would be exciting, instead of just trying to be MtG's wish knockoff.
Me and my friend, when we were young, we used to play a Yugioh format similar to Duelists of the Roses. It was pretty cool playing that on paper.
@@crimsonleg4237 That's awesome! Do you remember any of the rules? I wrote up a rulebook for something similar. I posted it on reddit back in 2018, but I've since revisited the rules this year and updated a lot.
I very much agree with you. The design for commander is we make all the decks clunky and double the life points to make a slower paced game with less pressure. But yugioh is all about the now. I think that a 4 player yugioh commander is likely to just end up as the ultimate sacky format.
@@josephcourtright8071Tell me how when decks like Tempai are outputting enough damage to do double 8K, there's also double the battle phase
@@Shadowx157 if you play 100 card singleton. Tenpai is just as dangerous but they have to draw the card. So it ends up sacky. I don't know what you want me to tell you
Speed Duel isn't over. The guy was just speculating.
Tag duels sitting on the side crying, forgotten.
Commenting before finishing, the domain format is a 4 player format. So far it seems to really reign players in having multiple opponents
Have you guys made a video of playing Domain Format yet? I just learnt about it today and I'm surprised I haven't seen anything yet from the channel.
Konami listen to these boys! A set with a deck, deck box, premium fabric/rubber game mat, and sleeves. It would be fantastic to start players off
hes bringing out the god cards during the olympics. trust 🤞
I have absolutely no interest in sports or the olympics, but I’d love to see him with the god cards.
Happy 4th of July!! So excited to finally catch a Pod of Greed live 😎
If you get a hold of him, tell him to hold Elemental HERO Air Neos😂
Why no air Neos reprint Konami, why?😢
Glad i got mine when i did. Because of that scarcity, he's one of my favourites and also he looks awesome.
It's funny how you mentioned that Speed Duels could take the "commander format" (with more life points)- This is exactly how I have been playing with my friends! 8000LP, 5 card starting hand, no one can attack during their first turn (so attacks only begin with the second turn of the first player). It's been working great, specially since we play more casual speed duel (singleton included, with the exeption of a fews cards). No one can OTK you that easily, and the average gameplay time feels right.
The Tag Force games are some of my favorite Yugioh experiences of all time
As a magic player I really like that yugioh knows what the focus of its game is. Commander has kept a casual crowd in the game, but its done irrevocable damage to the 1v1 formats. Its much better if that kind of thing is done by the fans and not by Konami.
WotC's power creep destroyed 1v1 not Commander
@@williamdrum9899 Yes as they try to make 100 card singleton decks have the power of a normal deck. The color pie is in ruins and they keep pumping out legionaries with like 3 abilities. Universes beyond was commander first. Really all the worst trends in magic started with the "year of commander"
DOMAIN FORMAT PLAYERS UNITE!!! Can't wait for when y'all get to play it
Finally caught the premiere for once!
I now play pokemon, magic, and lorcana competitively and casual. Used to play weiss, digimon, duel masters/kaijudo. And even tho i used to play yugioh i know i will never return in its state. I quit at pendulums and now the game seems even less like the game i played from DM-XYZ.
@@Ratchetfan321 In your opinion what is the best format to play
Happy 4th of July 🎇🎆
I think i agree with paul about how yugioh is with its themes and artwork as is, the only thing i would change is for cards to not be censored moving from the ocg to tcg.
Your favorite duelists are back!
I can guarantee that you don't need a seperate card pool. And increasing the life points would be rough. Games take a minute the way it is.
Take everything with a greatest salt.They literally don't think about what they say they just blurted out.And they're like yeah that sounds cool. But you, my friend or someone actually thinks about things. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.Thank you.
40:49 I think for Rush duels to truely succeed in the west it would *need* DM recognition and be marketed as a reboot to grab the attention of casuals and former yugioh players and would likely need an anime and/or movie to accompany it
I'd prefer if 4 player format isn't official. Keep it like how domain works
Look at magic and how heavily they lean on commander to sell product.
Sure it keeps casuals but it has killed most the competitive 1v1 standard and modern at a local level but it's also created the issue if before sets are out they're officially doing spoilers for the next set ahead or two. There's no rest.
There's also balance where they shape the format harder too into a terrible balance that doesn't get corrected much unless all universally "go no we won't use X"
Dont forget while commander is 100 card singlton about 30-40 of those are lands. MTG limited decks are 40 and normal decks are 60 so a 50 card singleton means you really only have 30 or less non land cards in the deck.
Noah shouting out ygo and Magic was sick, we got lots of nerds in sports now
1:05:24 I’m pretty sure speed duel has official 4 player tag duel rules, I think it is on the mat with one of the GX products at least
Beyblade had me along with digimon, yugioh, and pokemon. Had at least 20 beyblades and they got like 4 season of the original series iirc
Speaking of well known sports people into yugioh… I enjoy professional skateboarding as well, and a lad sponsored by red bull went to Japan for skateboarding and got some yugioh packs. He opened up a tearelements fusion and said “this was crazy back in the day dude”. Made me think he’s at least masterdueling whilst healing from skateboard slams. We’re everywhere!!
Happy 4th!
"Unbig your back" 😂
Shout out to that 1st comment. I too recently came back to YGO via APS and I too am still working on my Traptrix along with my Zombie decks.
I honestly just want religious imagery to be allowed. Also gun dragons. I want to see gun dragons.
The question didn't even mention adding gore or sexier cards, just that it wouldn't be restricted by being a product for the one 6 year-old in the world that could sit and play Yugioh. Personally, I would love it cards stop being pointlessly censored, and I would love having weird, darker styles and tones of the early cards.
Paul talking about Books-A-Million reminded me of when I played at Hasting's, they would give us pizza after we were done playing. That was a great time.
Yu-Gi-Oh Is popular regarding global history. The question is, will it grow?
limitation breeds creativity. the domain format has a lot of limits however i have seen their games and it is still crazy. there has to be more limits on yugioh for it to slow down. i remember you were talking about how yugioh needs to slow down for it to be more fun. pure decks and stuff like that can do that however nowadays even pure decks are meant to go crazy. i think limiting the amount of special summons is something to think of but don't think there really is a way to collectively have a format for fun casual times unless you have personal talks with your own meta.
13:11 Konami took the coward’s way out with that “Spell Card: Monster Reborn” card name, and they’re probably doing the same with the “Soul Exchange” equivalent too. They’re clear nods to the Battle City duels, an era of Yu-Gi-Oh where they called them Magic cards. They could’ve had “Magic Card” in the card name but still be labelled as spell cards in their card type. Heck, the katakana used on the Japanese card is “マジックカード”, literally “Magic Card”. Having a Spell card with “Spell Card” in its name just sounds redundant.
On a podcast note, audio sounds pretty good. No problems on this end👍
it was only the titel alone that got me interested into watching 2 hours. i would love to play multyplayer ygo. i build a Goat deck and had played once with some friends. it was really fun.
Is there a future yugioh format that sees hand traps kinda die off you think? I’m fine with them but sometimes deck building is just a little more fun when I don’t have to consider them in it
Dune format till pre phantom nightmare was pretty much more around board breakers.
You're going to have to consider non engine but breakers are alot more wide and can open synergy within decks.
Like we saw with cards like enemy controller or droplet's both being able to be used first and second as forms of backrow disruption
I love that Digimon keeps doing new stuff and don't feel restricted by doing the same format every time. Also I love that they're trying to have more fucked up Digimon media like Digimon survive now or even ghost game or the 02 movie were pretty dark. But I totally agree that there needs to be a story and the episodic monster of the day format didn't work for me at all
There was a yugioh game for Xbox 360 that had online tag team matches it was really fun
What was the name of the game?
@@loch1361 I think it was called millennium duels it’s peak yugioh back when brotherhood of the fire fist was top tier
If GX Season 4 characters come to speed duels, Darkness/Nightshroud could get Lair of Darkness. It's too perfect and the power level would be fitting for a GX final boss
Me still praying for a dungeon dice monsters reboot 😂
have you guys actually tried using generative AI? images or otherwise?
8:00 , much love to all of yall and the yugi-tubers..... but when you have snoop dog walking around with your briefcase with your tracksuit, with exodia in it, yeah all yugitubers got priced priced out of collaborations with noah 😅. Would love to be proved wrong though.
Nah you probably right lol
One of the earliest TCGs ever (Vampires of the Eternal Struggle) was designed for multiplayer from the ground up and it face planted.
Would love to see a new 4 player format or even just a official mode for it because while yugioh is fun. Similar to Fighting games it can feel a little limiting when it's only 2 people
Regarding the pet peeves segment, I absolutely can't stand the constant hand shuffling as well. It reminds me of when people play shooting games and constantly swap between knife and guns like they've just downed a gallon of coffee.
I wish my books a million did that back then, but I did buy my phone jumps there and at Barnes and Noble sucks that borders was the closest to me as it was in my town back then lol
If you read the statements in its full context, not once did Nintendo even insinuate disdain for AI. They will still most likely use the tech, BUT it won’t be the forefront of game development, merely a companion to existing dev tech.
“In the game industry, AI-like technology has long been used to control enemy character movements, so game development and AI technology have always been closely related.”
“Generative AI, which has been a hot topic in recent years, can be more creative, but we also recognize that it has issues with intellectual property rights.”
“We have decades of know-how in creating optimal gaming experiences for our customers, and while we remain flexible in responding to technological developments, we hope to continue to deliver value that is unique to us and cannot be achieved through technology alone."
I guess you can keep the gojo sauce and not eat it but when you get another gojo sauce you eat that one
I think its so funny seeing YGO from the outsiders perspective.
Because having started up collecting again 5 years ago I swear I had these peoples mindset. I was hella lost for about a year trying to catch up with what YGO has become.
Edit: on the topic of the new rating duels thing. It really is for the top of the top players. Because I have never made it past Master 5. I made it there and decided I proved enough to myself considering I was using pure Melffys. Its cool for the people that can get there. But for me it doesnt matter at all.
Imagine if Konami makes the new product a Highlander set
They did it in the anime, I'm sure it can be done fairly and balanced.
modern day 4 player format:
1st player - 20 min combo
2nd player: 20 min combo
3rd player: 20 min combo
4th player: 20 min combo
plus hand traps and whatnot in between: 10 mins
Total wait time in round one: 1hr 30 min long!
If your opponent takes 20 minutes they're not good at knowing thier deck and wasting time reading.
Thru asking for a response, planing around the said interruption and shuffling my deck I can do full dragon link in pote format in 3:30 because I timed it multiple times and is one of the biggest times the deck was all gas.
Would love if 25th anniversary ended and ghost rares just replace that rarity. They can keep starlight in there too if they want I just want ghost rares back 😂
Hey, good you guys are ok
I have yet to see the AI google stuff. Is this a US only thing?
You guys talking about people trading when playing filled me with anger, I hate when people are distracted.
My prediction for the card Noah Lyles is gonna show off in Paris is either Dark Magician or all 3 Egyptian God cards (or even cards like Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon, or Red Eyes 🤷♂️)
“Rating duels” sounds like something that should have always existed. And imo it shouldn’t be a separate mode, they should just add a new ranking that’s after master 1. Call it “master duelist” and have it work like legend in Hearthstone.
I highly recommend you guys should give the GX subbed version a proper go!
The problem I have is that I wouldn't want a 1:1 analogue of MtG's commander format. The fact that WotC isn't the ultimate arbitrator of bans and rules changes is becoming a massive pain point. Their ban reasons that have been provided aren't consistent, and cards that are fundamentally the same may or may not be banned. It's becoming completely soul crushing to the the quarterly rules update for commander and see that there are no changes to the format whatsoever.
Commander was best when it wasn't being designed for by WOTC.
-Commander is a ramp combo format. I feel like all the commander cards are pushing 1v1 formats to be more that. Less aggro, less control, less midrange. ETC.
-Commander's color identify is destroying the color pie to balance out the commander table.
-Commander card design is marked with the largest power creep in history as they are pushing singleton decks to have the type of snappy rapid gameplay that 60 card decks used to have
- One for one removal is bad much worse in commander than board wipes. Its not good for everything to trend towards this all or nothing style of interaction
- Universes beyond is going to be a major source of problems with reprints and licencing. That all started in the commander market.
By all means play yugioh commander. But Konami should never design for it.
Great, now the yugioh crossduel nightmares are going to flare up again
Flesh and Blood mention!!!
I see what you did there. aPaulogies nice one
Me and my friends are working on a YU-GI-OH commander esk format called millennium format. I run a card business and sell the big three and i think its a winning formula.
Where can I find the rules?
@@crystalknighthgaming look up domain format
For the record. His name is pronounced Anton Greece-Man
I can't stand when someone is eating a greasy pizza and they touch my cards or brush their hands on their shirt one or two times and thank there's hands are clean
Just position the cameras so you guys are facing each other. Happy 4th everyone
agreed!
They can't have a four player format the way the game stands right now. They'd have to limit the types of cards and decks you could use in order to work. The turn for one player already takes long enough. Imagine trying to wait for four people to play through their turns while trying to keep up with all of the combos and effects going off. It would be a nightmare.
Just look at how domain format works.
It's a pretty fast game and offers a cool restriction on how you build decks
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Why did you guys change to remote just wondering?
@@BobbyBuche because they’re in different states. That’s literally the second thing they said in this episode. Lol
@@TheAlmightyTujbut is that a permanent thing?
@@Xana17 I doubt it. Paul said in a recent video that he was visiting family.
I think speed duals and rush duels were complete waste of time and money. They should have been strengthening Time wizard and Edison. They should be making format only specific packs and they should have had already tag team tournaments with its own format and special tag cards
They should have had Time Wizard, Edison, & Tag Team specific decks and products
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About midway data squad i stopped following the digimon anime fusion completely lost me. Imo Adventure 2 is my favorite Veemon is easily my favorite partner digimon especially with its other digivolutions. And BlackWarGreymon of course. Even adventure 2 and Tamers had darkness in it ESPECIALLY Tamers. But the current anime is a no go for me.
Imagine getting ashed 4 times in your turn
Yugioh cant exist the same way Commander does
I mean, if commander has color locks, then only fire decks would be able to play ash
It absolutely can. Its just that people aren't willing to tweak the rules to allow for positive change.
@@MiguelMartinon Difference being that you need to use lands for spells in Magic, and there is also a clear progression of the game. Its never resolved in the first turn, compared to YGO where the first two turns already decide the game
@@LittleMushroomGuy 4 player formats have completely different logistics from 2 player. you start with a hand of 5 up against 15. you start in a resource deficit, trading 1 for 1 just doesnt win games. sure you can ash the branded fusion, but you just dropped your starting hand to 4 and you still have 2 other opponents at 5. and the branded player already got the card back to the hand.
It absolutely can.
Look at domain format.
Most hand traps I've seen are archtype ones that are battle tricks like kalut or actually progress your decks Idea like tear stuff.
You're not playing 1 for 1 trades in a 4 player format. Especially in a singleton format
This is a hot take but i think 4 player formats suck. First time i played MTG was 4 player commander and it was not enjoyable vs just playing 1v1.
Everything's banned in tcg now except the problematic deck we all know and love snake eye thanks
Snake eye is ass but most the hits we got last two lists are things people have wanted for 3+ years.
Rip speed duel. Maybe rush duel is coming
Seriously doubt it would do well in paper
@@spicymemes7458 why not?
@@Shadowbot074 because it's so far behind the ocg. People who play it either use I believe it's ygo nexus meaning they have the ocg card pool or play on duel links because it's the alt format there.
It's competing against two separate ways to play for an already niche format
@@GG_Nowa lol. It’s not supposed to be up to the ocg. That’s the problem. It’s speed duel, not yugioh modern. It’s speed duel!
If they bring Rush Duels over, YGO can switch to a more mature audience. Since based off the Rush Duels game on Switch, they want to target very young children.
I'd rather play it digital otherwise. Paper isn't doing well in the West
Yugioh needs a Netflix live action adaptation.
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Oh no, please don't tell me. This is gonna be the future, bro. Non in person, podcasts are just terrible dude. The even when you guys in person, it was a little subpar. In production quality, this is just gonna go down the drain bro. This probably might be the worst decision you guys ever made. Unless you guys are gonna do it in person. S***'s gonna be whack.
Audio is the most important thing in gluten.Comes to any video when this audio was g****** terrible libby I couldn't sit through more than ten minutes listening.I'm sure if you look at the analytics, you will see the same.
Relax, we got this.